assassination

[golden loom]

never ever played WoD or BFA but music from both expansions were in my top 5 most listened in my wrapped this year

[balmy condor]

What’s won’t with the heart

[keen spruce]

every season and it woulda been great

[grim jay]

Islands were pretty cool ye, wasnt a huge fan of the whole azerite stuff, neck was decent borrowed power functionally, but some other stuff was just bad, like corruptions

[radiant raven]

Right? It'd own

[keen spruce]

did not like

infinite grind, goofy powers

i wanted to play rogue

[balmy condor]

Blood of the enemy was not goofy tf

[keen spruce]

not fire an orbital lazer out of my face

[radiant raven]

haha

[keen spruce]

BtE was just a bunch of crit or something right?

idk just didn't hit for me

[balmy condor]

Yeah it was such

[keen spruce]

it wasn't like offensive

or bad

[balmy condor]

A fun ability

[keen spruce]

i just didnt' care about it

and didn't enjoy the farming that went into it

[grim jay]

I hope the tier set bonus snapshots

[radiant raven]

Neck almost did a good job in finding a balance between just logging in to play and grindy AP fun with the uh.. second patch? Where it had a baseline buff that massively increased gain, and if you grinded like mad you'd only be 3 - 4 levels in front of people not grinding.

[balmy condor]

Tf hater

[keen spruce]

I think it was objectively and okay system

[grim jay]

Jk, blood was one of the good ones

[balmy condor]

Yeh the limit on ilvl was good

[grim jay]

Tho I still kinda would have quite a laugh if the tierset bonus would actually snapshot

[radiant raven]

It's frustrating 'cos I think they were close to making an actually really good feeling AP / fun item system with it.

[drifting cloud]

the neck grind is still so overblown

[golden loom]

but tbh, after hearing people talk for 10+ years how League "used to be better" when I feel the game has been the same or improved, I've grown pretty numb to nostalgia and just focused on enjoying stuff for what it is, even if stuff isnt perfect

[drifting cloud]

like some random r700 guy had to do it or whaever

r10 guilds didnt do it

[radiant raven]

Yeah

I think when it had the iLevel limit and aggresive catchup, it was basically ideal. Just a few tweaks and you can just have fun.

[drifting cloud]

if you did emissaries you were fine enough

you didnt have to full clear map or anything

[radiant raven]

And it also had the bonus effect of constantly pushing weaker / more casual players power up over time.

[grim jay]

Based. Nostalgia does things to you

[golden loom]

had a friend that hasnt touched league since 2013 tell me he wishes the game was still season 3 and I have no idea how to respond to that

like okay sure I also wish I was 11 years younger but the game would be ass if we went back 11 years

[grim jay]

Tell him its time to grow up and go with the flow

[radiant raven]

haha, I guess it's like the "I wish WoW was still in TbC / wrath"?

[grim jay]

In a friendly way

[reef ravine]

they wine about the good times they had, not the actual game

the times probably werent that good too

[golden loom]

Like I started with classic and I probably prefer it to retail if I am 100% honest, but its not because of nostaliga since I never touched the game before 2024

doesnt mean I wish retail was "back to classic"

[grim jay]

There is no other reason to prefer classic

Other than nostalgia

[golden loom]

just told you I have no nostaliga for it and still enjoyed it

[grim jay]

But its objectively worse

[golden loom]

its a totally different game

[radiant raven]

I would play classic if they let me unlock stuff in retail from it (Transmogs / mounts that are gone etc)

My desire to collect everything outweighs my dislike for classic

[golden loom]

but also I did play hardcore so maybe it added to the experience of discovering the game, being scared of every new zone etc

[radiant raven]

I bet it's a really interesting experience, yeah

[golden loom]

and learning the raids for the first time while trying not to die was an insane experience

[radiant raven]

I cannot imagine raiding in HC, geez. Brave.

[golden loom]

but for pure gameplay just hitting buttons ofc retail is way more engaging and fun

[warm vortex]

Did they show tierset for dps yet

[flint tusk]

all tier sets are out

For Appearences:
https://www.wowhead.com/news/all-season-2-war-within-tier-set-models-datamined-in-patch-11-1-355145?utm_source=discord-webhook
For Set bonuses:
https://www.wowhead.com/news/all-patch-11-1-undermine-d-class-tier-set-bonuses-in-the-war-within-season-2-355136?utm_source=discord-webhook

[oak eagle]

i didnt even see the mythic version of the tier set

only saw LFR

mythic version is sick

[normal mist]

Looks like a dirty pile of shit

[flint tusk]

I'll be honest i'm really disappointed by the rogue set

[normal mist]

The set bonus

[flint tusk]

like everything about it

[normal mist]

Same

Warrior and dk tho ...

[radiant raven]

Warrior's is so slick

[solar wyvern]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/dinars-return-as-new-rewards-in-gallagio-loyalty-raid-renown-track-355141?utm_source=discord-webhook

I noticed this slipped

Inbetween all the changes

Dinars!!!!

[radiant raven]

Mage is pretty rad, too

[flint tusk]

I'll also say mage looks pretty sick given it's an underground patch

[oak eagle]

I do really like the DK one

[flint tusk]

how the rogue one makes any sense is beyond me

[radiant raven]

It's a highwayman

[solar wyvern]

Who cares about theme bro i can be a ghost pirate

Sick af

[radiant raven]

It's not a pirate!!! I will die on this hill

[solar wyvern]

Mayhe

[radiant raven]

google "Highwayman outfit"

[solar wyvern]

But i for sure know my mog will be

[radiant raven]

It's pretty fitting for a Goblin style highwayman / dashing scoundrel

[reef ravine]

rogue set looks ass as always

noice

[flint tusk]

it's the colours

[radiant raven]

The colours are ecclectic, yeah

[flint tusk]

they went from making S tier designs and colour schemes to maybe mid/low A because the colours suck

I guess at least the tier set will finally make outlaw's pistol shot make sense

[grim jay]

Imagine worrying about the visuals

With that set bonus

[flint tusk]

I've just given up with this season set bonuses

if it was just a spec or our class then a chance of change was possible but every spec has this style so it's going to be here if we like it or not.

so i'm just clutching at straws

[grim jay]

Personally I think its even worse that the 2p is for all specs

Because that kinda indicates that they think that shit is a good idea

[normal mist]

4p sounds like absolute dog shit

[radiant raven]

Fashion is the ultimate endgame.

[flint tusk]

Yeh i think we'll never get the benefit of that 4 set like ever
so we won't play around it at all which is just boring and lazy game design

[gloomy hinge]

what do i do if im going into next pack in m+ with like 4 seconds left on my darkest night? You cant reapply the mark when its up right? so do i just not do my opener and instantly go for using the proc then proceed with bleeds?

[grim jay]

Sounds like a scenario that shouldnt happen

[blazing pumice]

you reapply mark

with ambush

[tawny rapids]

Your mark will reapply with ambush even if you have a mark up

So it won’t drop

So open with ambush again and darkest night will fall but you will have a fresh mark

[grim jay]

If he has a mark up he cant stealth

So he cant ambush

Because he is in combat

[blazing pumice]

what

[grim jay]

How do you have a mark up if you arent in combat

Or did he word it wrong

Maybe he meant darkest night aswell in that sentence and not mark

[golden loom]

think he thinks that you cant reapply mark while you have darkest night, which you can

[grim jay]

Probably

[tawny rapids]

Ya thats what I took from it

[rugged mango]

another question is how do you go 26 seconds without using darkest night in an m+ going from pack to pack

[torpid lion]

fuck those new tier sets

so lame

[grim jay]

You only ever should have 3 scenarios
One is you go into the next pack and darkest night still has decent duration because you chained, then you just consume DN
Second is you got darkest night in decent duration and still got to restealth, then you can do whatever
Third is your situation, you only have a few s on darkest night buff left, but that means you shouldve gotten a restealth, so you can just ambush

[grim jay]

Maybe GB first boss to trash

Cant think of anything rn either

[royal lantern]

not my fault that the shaman decided that not using any deff CDs is cool

[nova python]

dawnbreaker when flying from pack to pack and someone get lost so you just wait for him xd

[gloomy hinge]

I thought ambushing when darkest night buff was active didnt put a new deathstalkers mark on

and if u run out of time you have to vanish and ambush

or am i braindead

[nova python]

it does, but you will see darkest night so u can still “change target” if u want and put mark on another with 7cp

[gloomy hinge]

aaah i see

arlight ty

[brittle quail]

also if you dont want to change target its still a big envenom

[nova python]

yep but i just wanted to point that even if he “fucks up” his ambush on the wrong target he still can fix it

[quiet oar]

I can only think about you

love you

[indigo ginkgo]

rng tier set ?

oh god

[reef ravine]

atp make a 4th spec thats just gambling for dmg

[normal mist]

You cry, I cry, we all cry

[royal python]

Lucky coin + winning streak = ?

[autumn remnant]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[normal mist]

= please cook something else

Yo props to @desert owl for finding this out

This looks so fucking cool

This is either honor or warmode gear

[desert owl]

Daggers for you boys

[normal mist]

THOSE ARE DRILLS

BRRRRRRR

[midnight mist]

wtf

wish i could have these irl

for no particular reason

[normal mist]

Ahahahahah

[ornate dawn]

Is there a screenshot with more pixels anywhere

[normal mist]

We've been sharing in #transmog

But everything is on wowhead

[ornate dawn]

Thanks Ive grabbed the link from Transmog

[white orchid]

Is it some luck/chance raid theme? I notice a lot of the raid set bonuses have some sort of chance/luck win streak nonsense. I’m guessing bc it’s some gambling goblin themed raid

[royal lantern]

yes

everything is gamble/luck themed

cus people LOVE that right??

[white orchid]

Yea hella chalked lol

[grim vigil]

is siren isle them changing weekly? as in when do we get the next cycle of gems? ive heard in a stream its 4 days?

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/gamba-gif-25945486

[royal lantern]

you could desing tiersets now

[indigo thicket]

can you explain or link i can't find a good explanation to how tier is going to work

[main blaze]

sometimes you do damage, sometimes you dont do as much damage, sometimes you do alot of damage.

[coral ibex]

hitting guys gives you a stacking buff you sometimes lose. sometimes when you would lose it, you instead gain max stacks

[normal mist]

It's pretty shit

[coral ibex]

the whole “sometimes you lose the buff” sucks

[gusty mirage]

for four whole seconds! wow!

what fun and interesting design!

[royal lantern]

could be fire mage

holy shit

[spice spire]

I’d never

[royal lantern]

THATS disgusting rng gamble

but srsly, wtf is happening at blizz since tww

so many choices where i dont know why they make them in the first place

like, why did they need to remove the curve/ksm token "but you gain a catalyst Charge now!"

who had the idea with these tier sets

the entire mm hunter thing and that they DELETE COMMENTS asking why they do it in the forum feedback thread about it

[normal mist]

Hey you can get up to 3 whole catalyst charges!

[royal lantern]

trying to force people into PvP again cus nobody plays that Shit mode

[coral ibex]

i like the 2p role based thing it’s an interesting route, but the 4p are all over the place. and ours blows. some of the melee 4p’s are decent

[royal lantern]

[hollow river]

#outlaw message

[radiant raven]

I really don't understand the free hero tier piece change. I've thought about it a lot and I just don't see any positive with that change. It's making gearing more annoying, tier more annoying for the average player. Why not both. A free catalyst charge and a piece of tier of your choice..

[spice surge]

You can catalyze myth track pieces if you get em early

But i think its mostly because the big vendor with all the items feels very clunky

And this does pretty much the same thing without that

[radiant raven]

I disagree that it does the same thing. Because now you need an item in the slot you want to make tier (before you could just buy the item). It's added another step to it, and made it more awkward. I can see it being useful if you are getting stuff super quick at Myth level but for the average player it's a bit sad.

Maybe in practice it'll make sense and be easier to use and make getting tier rolling better.

[pliant remnant]

[fresh kelp]

If it was one catalyst charge it’d be a bit lame

but 2-3 catalyst charges >> token for 1 hero piece

[radiant raven]

I assumed it was a single charge (in the same way the token is one-and-done regardless of which achievement you got it from)

[fresh kelp]

Hero tier slots easy to farm

[radiant raven]

If it is actually +1 from KSM and +1 from AotC, then that's better.

[spice surge]

And +1 from pvp

[fresh kelp]

yes it’s 1 for each achievement

[coral ibex]

it is

you get 3

[radiant raven]

That's better, then. Nice.

[coral ibex]

reading hard

getting mad easy!

[main blaze]

2-3 catalyst charges makes sense when you are going from 0 tier to 4 piece. But when you are coming off of a season where you already have tier, you dont necessarily have the off-tier pieces ready for catalyst, and you arent equiping them because you usually want to go from 4p -> 4p or 4p -> 2p2p

[coral ibex]

does the average wow player get mad before finishing the sentence they’re reading?

[arctic socket]

that’s part of playing wow

[radiant raven]

The only person who seems to be mad is you, though

[coral ibex]

how am i mad? i didn’t type up all whole spiel about a change that doesn’t exist

[arctic socket]

The ring is getting to people already

[royal lantern]

?

[rotund oak]

Priest and Druids most played is actually crazy

new meta?

well not that much but u know..

ild expect hunters and DKs more

[hollow river]

been that way since the awc was going on, surprised it's still like that tho ye

[hollow river]

just a link to a screenshot i posted last night showing that a lot of people do play it

[grim vigil]

is haste important for us? m+ / raid?

[fallow canopy]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[grim vigil]

great

i would try this tell me if im right, i have a heavy haste ring mythic track, i wanna know if a 636 crafted ring with crit/mastery would be a dps increase. I now create the crafted item on raidbots and sim it against the haste ring on dungeon slice?

@fallow canopy

[normal mist]

Just sim

Raidbots.com

[grim vigil]

you didnt even fucking read the message

[normal mist]

You don't need to craft the item to sim it

There's an option there to add items

[grim vigil]

again

you didnt read the question

holy shit

[hollow river]

if you're simming for m+ gear you'd use dslice

[normal mist]

Holy I didn't understand the question whatsoever

[hollow river]

i can see the confusion based on the first sentence

[normal mist]

Yeah just sim the 3 rings together in dslice

But usually having haste in m+ isn't great

Crit mastery better most of the times

[fallow canopy]

what royal said

[grim vigil]

ok just good energy management is key right?

[fallow canopy]

haste doesn't do much in terms of energy, there's a command for that iirc

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[hollow river]

haste doesn't do much for raw energy gain

[grim vigil]

ok awesome thx boys

[hollow river]

especially in m+ your bleeds will have you drowning in energy in aoe

the ST is different

but yeh

[grim vigil]

yea i can swap that high haste ring in for raiding

im simming rn st and dslice

[hollow river]

i meant m+ bosses, energy is a bit slower on them

[grim vigil]

theres 1 more thing, when simming your st gear do i also go into st spec for it?

[hollow river]

yes

[normal mist]

Haste in st is good

[grim vigil]

okey dokey

[normal mist]

For m+ or raid environment?

[grim vigil]

when i sim st raid

id wanna use my st raid build for sims

[normal mist]

Yeah you go full st yes

[grim vigil]

okok

[normal mist]

Both in gear and talents

[spice spire]

Ok but what if I want to sim for the exact one dwarf that doesn’t get pulled after Edna in the double pull.
There’s no 15s sim here :/

[normal mist]

XD

You're welcome

[spice spire]

Are you the chosen one

[normal mist]

You guys should check #transmog today

Hype

[fallow canopy]

Lunari and Solari type shi

[normal mist]

Looks like Poe stuff

[drifting cedar]

Brooo how do I look like this in game?

[normal mist]

New items from the new patch it seems

[spice spire]

Okay but how do I look like this irl

[normal mist]

Money

[spice spire]

Ahh

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/masked-man-leonardo-di-caprio-staring-gif-14558259

[weary spear]

26th for ulgrax heroic but still no 99 :/ what gives

[spice spire]

New partition starting Tuesday, so you’re just the 26th best since Tuesday

[candid sun]

God please give me the xmog list, I love this

[shy axle]

i wonder if there will be talentchanges for us as well coming in the next weeks

[snow kindle]

none

[normal mist]

You're about to laugh

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/dressing-room#fz8zm0zb89c8f8zO8r8zj8w8Mw8i8MF8R08zdF8sm8zyd8wJ8mCb8zYi8dAL8Mx3808MEg8wUP8RB8zA28RQ8zTl8RZ8zje877NzaUr87qM5z87d

[worldly wave]

Hello do we have any u fo on the new rinf?

Icy veins says it is coll

[normal mist]

Pins

[worldly wave]

But after obtaining it yesterday i cant help but have bitter feel in my mouth

1k secobdary stat

[normal mist]

Pins

[worldly wave]

Kindof low and lazy

[normal mist]

Check the channel pins

[worldly wave]

Ok

[hexed frost]

11.1 tier sets are one of the most boring garbage tiers I've seen in a long time

The dragon flight success really got to the head of the team

[worldly wave]

It is just sad

They gave same buff to most of the specs

Takes the point of tier away from it

They got really lazy

[candid sun]

Lmao 2 items

[worldly wave]

Sirens isle is 20 meters of beach

[candid sun]

Works out tho, never thought of it

[worldly wave]

And ground mounts to amke it seem biffer

[normal mist]

Because the chest piece is from the new patch

[candid sun]

-.-

Farm time

[normal mist]

Sorry

Not .7

[candid sun]

Oh like

[normal mist]

The BIG NEXT PATCH

[candid sun]

Undermine

[spice spire]

11.1

[candid sun]

Fuck

[normal mist]

You should check the tmog channel

[candid sun]

Guess I'll stick with my slutmog

[spice spire]

That’s what they called me in college

[normal mist]

It's on fire today

[normal mist]

Damn

[spice spire]

What I’m saying

[coral ibex]

big <noun> are elite nicknames

big dog, big man, big boss, big red

[normal mist]

That's what quake has

He's the big dog

[spice spire]

Now big patch

Nah you’re all big dogs

GIGA humans

[normal mist]

You're bigger

Ily homie

[spice spire]

Love you all

[spice spire]

I’m sure someone here can out lift me

[normal mist]

But not your heart

[coral ibex]

i was big red for most of my life

[golden loom]

after reading all the dooming and glooming it was very refreshing reading tmog channel

already was a big fan of the goblin theme, even more so now

[indigo lagoon]

When the season ends?

[hollow river]

at least a couple months away

[slate crown]

I'm sure someone here can lift me out.

(Lift me).

[split veldt]

im a moron, how do i sim gem combinations in raidbots

[snow kindle]

you neeed atleast 4 different colors selected

and a meta gem selected

[magic fossil]

its really coinflip next season? Time to go sub... i hate fatejoke

[split veldt]

i did

[snow kindle]

no you need mutliple colors

you need to select a red and a blue still

you dont need orange though

[split veldt]

oh one from each section, derp

[snow kindle]

yeah

[fresh kelp]

You only have 3 colors selected so it can’t meet the 4

[split veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-7898695231799564452

[ripe bobcat]

Hi Bois & Girls, i have question. In Mythic I am struggeling with dmg on Sikran. I am always unlucky with my cds and have to walk away from the boss. I did save them when to wait for the first few people to get their debuff and sent than my cds. Are there any tipps or tricks? Thanks in advance 🙂

[shy creek]

Cloaking during Shattering Strike, SS after the last phase blade teleport

The fight is giga cringe

Phase blade everytime you hit DM, there goes ur dps ggs

[ripe bobcat]

yes.

alsways unlucky

[shy creek]

Not even really worth it to use cloak the first time shattering goes out cuz u dont haev a cd during it usually

Yeah its just a luck based thing

If you know your rotation and its consistent on other bosses then sikran is just a luck based thing

[ripe bobcat]

luck... I dont know this guy 😄

[shy creek]

ive taken 6 sockets in 11 vaults

i also do not know him..

[ripe bobcat]

that must be the same guy that didnt fill my vault properly

[plush isle]

all other classes get 50 changes, rogue gets 2, t set looks pretty awful

[ripe bobcat]

tset is ok. For outlaw 😄

[spice spire]

As long as you’re under 600
I got you big dog

[slate crown]

[spice spire]

[dapper cradle]

damn is that a custom emote for your dog?

[spice spire]

Nah that’s a cropped photo

Have a few George emotes

🧀

[dapper cradle]

excrutiatingly based

[warm vortex]

So this uhh
Tierset is really something
Not

Tbf my other character (BM) has one that looks cool asf

[golden loom]

was there a 636 trinket you could craft? (just for ilvl idc how shit it is)

[spice spire]

Philosophers stone innit

[normal mist]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-updates-explanation-on-catalyst-charges-in-season-2-355210

oi

oi oi oi

oi?

@radiant raven were you right all along?

[radiant raven]

I don't want to be right 😦

[balmy condor]

Yeah it’s just the 1 bonus

[normal mist]

but no more token

[balmy condor]

Like we have now

Yes

It’s just one to one replacement

Instead of get 1 tier item it’s convert 1 item to tier

[normal mist]

I'll be honest, this can either be really good or really bad, depending to who you ask

for me, its a somewhat bad change

for people doing harder content from the get go its better

[radiant raven]

I'm sad to be right about it, because I think it's a bad change.

[balmy condor]

No it’s not

[normal mist]

you dont think?

[balmy condor]

This is a nerf for everyone in the game

If you’re a high end player you do the same thing but now also need to make sure you have an item to catalyze very early in the season

[golden loom]

token = free hero item, cata charge = requires you to have a piece of that track to upgrade but I guess u can upgrade myth track if u get that later

[radiant raven]

Yeah. You now have to get the item to catalyse. +1 Catalyst is good, but it's added another step and the item you may end up turning into tier may be worse than hero (although, really, you should try to catalyse hero or better)

[normal mist]

Yeah i was thinking about those early players doings like +10

[radiant raven]

It's removing a form of bad luck protection.

[normal mist]

and getting myth track extremely fast

[golden loom]

combo of a token + charge would be nice

[normal mist]

but even them needed luck

[golden loom]

🙂

[oak tangle]

deffs gonna be a fomo angle of not saving that catalyst charge for a myth item

[balmy condor]

The only way this could possibly be a buff is in some freak roundabout way where you’re a casual player that gets all your tier slots and then you just catalyze off piece transmog and complete the set 1 week earlier

[radiant raven]

Yeah. Or a choice

[normal mist]

Man i know im somewhat a casualish player, but everything is looking bad

[oak tangle]

it's a buff to me, cause i'll need the charge late in the season for transmog as i prepare for 11.2

[radiant raven]

Same, not a big fan of some of these changes. Maybe it'll make sense with the dinar system?

[dapper cradle]

the catalyst change is a bozo L change

[normal mist]

The only drive i have atm to play next season is the raid theme (looks fucking awesome) and transmog. Our current tier set isnt anything "special" but its alright, whatever they are doing next is just... What?

[dapper cradle]

the free piece was awesome

literally no one complained

i don't get what they're "moving away from"

[oak tangle]

i see your drive to play and match it, minus the part of me hating goblin theme

[normal mist]

Brother you should see the tmog channel today

they cooked with the goblin theme

[oak tangle]

i looked at all the sets

[dapper cradle]

this is super early on though, maybe they'll change the tier thing

[hollow river]

They really should’ve just put the vendor in a proper place and had it more explained

[dapper cradle]

hopefully

[oak tangle]

im pretty sure this shit was meant to be released in shadowland

[hollow river]

Lots of people didn’t know what to do with the tokens when they got them (they don’t know how to use google)

[oak tangle]

i think that it was also omega terrible that there was 2 different vendors, and that pvp and pve were differing ilvls

[spice surge]

Having it be a catalyst charge is just a way more clean solution overall

Even though its "worse" for some of us

[normal mist]

WHISPYR SAID EVERYONE!

:C

[oak tangle]

i think it is fine for AOTC raiders, but only because of it being a mid expac season, this would be a terrible change for expac launch imo

[dapper cradle]

how is it more clean?

[spice surge]

Because you dont get an item you have no idea what to do with

And have to google what it does and where to go

[oak tangle]

catalyst exists, why not centralise all tier related stuff to it?

[dapper cradle]

the existing-piece requirement makes it super frustrating

[normal mist]

literally putting vendors near the catalyst

[dapper cradle]

I've legit got raw dogged by rng

and just not gotten anything in a certain slot

if people are too dumb to google something

or blizz is too dumb to put the tier npc next to the catalyst

idk man

[spice surge]

Ultimately this doesnt matter much at all

[normal mist]

To be fair, its on blizzard

[radiant raven]

A better solution would just be to make the vendor and item easier to put together and use though. It'd a needless change imo

[dapper cradle]

yeah just port the npc next to the catalyst

[spice surge]

Why

[normal mist]

And name the npcs: PvP tier vendor / PvE tier vendor

[oak tangle]

idk, i think we'll be able to slap out +7's in week 1 of patch, because we have the ilvl rolling from season 1, which we don't have on expac launch, in order to get the catalyst charge, you'll have to have timed basically all 7's anyway, so you should have a hero piece from that

[spice surge]

Thats just more steps and more complications

[spice surge]

And if you dont just play more m+ or delves

[oak tangle]

it just gives the option for elite players to hold to potentially spend on a myth track from raid or in week 2 in vault

[dapper cradle]

we'll see how it plays out I guess

i'll be getting my myth track bicycle trinket from vault week 2

[oak tangle]

a side effect of it though, is it removes the free crest saves that the tier token gave

[nimble tartan]

im old ill never swap off sin now will u guys have me

[runic hinge]

Yes

Change your name to red tho

[oak tangle]

sin main since 2018 never had a red name 😮

[nimble tartan]

ty guys ill never betray you

[normal mist]

just... change it! xD

[radiant raven]

I guess if we get a charge week 1, you can pretty much guarantee 2p that week if you get the achievement. And with delves, you can probably get both on a hero piece too.

Which would make it pretty whatever as a change.

[normal mist]

IF you're lucky

[radiant raven]

Yeah i still think it's removing bad luck protection which is silly

[nimble tartan]

i like the blue

its very cute

[pliant remnant]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif

[spice spire]

I will never forgive you for your past sins

Application denied

[royal lantern]

tbf, the catalyst is not really a "well implemented" thing aswell

like, outside of a single "this is the catalyst" quest you never get told it exists, and you cant even check the charges unless you go to it

[nimble tartan]

back to fotm

[spice surge]

fair

[runic hinge]

I think it’s sub next patch

[spice surge]

"Jump 3 times"

[runic hinge]

If there’s a 1.5 minute trinket that is

[spice surge]

Ye transmitter

[runic hinge]

Again!

[spice surge]

Ye theres no 90 or 180s cd trinket for agi

[nimble tartan]

its sin i believe

[spice surge]

So very likely myth transmitter is just the best, or atleast competing with the absolute max ilvl of new trinkets

[nimble tartan]

30% dam for tier set nice…

[radiant raven]

There is an orb. The orb will give you 15,000 agility. Where is the orb? It's in there

Massive pile of DPS, Ovi'nax, a thousand adds, and swirlies

[royal lantern]

i thought about playing sub a bit next patch

thanks for preventing that

[radiant raven]

Sub is good. We've got purple.

[royal lantern]

im more of a green guy

purple is a T2 color

[radiant raven]

love me purple

[warm vortex]

Bday going well! :3

Also still sad the tierset is boring
At least BMs is cool

[dusk fox]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[normal mist]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY GURL

[warm vortex]

Slay

Me eating pizza rn

[radiant raven]

hell yeah, pizza

[normal mist]

Any good Bday presents?

[glad holly]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[warm vortex]

Switch and Pokemon scarlet

[golden loom]

37m spatter wasnt enough to 99

[normal mist]

POG

[humble verge]

every time i decide to go off ironwire for SB with an evoker in the group im in for dawn, the tanks for some reason ALWAYS HAVE TO TAKE TEHSE PACKS JESUS CHRIST

[spice spire]

Happy birthmas big dog

[warm vortex]

Yes I’m loving the game so far

[warm vortex]

Thanks bigger dog

[golden loom]

saw my biggest envenom (that ive noticed) so far though with a fat 9,8m

[dense cloud]

anyone knows whats the addon called that shows what spells im pressing? the one that streamers use too

[runic hinge]

LOL

gems unlocked

[dense cloud]

wdym

[true rapids]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-removing-timegating-on-all-citrine-gems-in-upcoming-hotfix-355213?utm_source=discord-webhook

[runic hinge]

^^

[runic hinge]

i think you're asking for a weakaura i was commenting on the blizz update

[pliant remnant]

I love this bit

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/dontcare-earlsweatshirt-tylerthecreator-oddfuture-sarcastic-gif-5476240

[pliant remnant]

"felt like it's creating more frustration than anticipation"

Yeh epic sense of anticipation waiting for some passive damage gems to come out

THE ANTICIPATION

IS BUBBLING INSIDE OF ME

[coral ibex]

very cool to release all those gems

[dense cloud]

yeyeye i was asking bout that too

[coral ibex]

i ain’t grinding that shit

[dense cloud]

is it in already?

[coral ibex]

thanks

[radiant raven]

I'm looking at the vendor on EU right now and they're not there yet. Probably later today sometime.

[uneven plume]

timegate off ring

pog

[pliant remnant]

upcoming hotfix

[livid jacinth]

is it uuup yet

[radiant raven]

No 😦

[livid jacinth]

Raid is starting and i just wanna go get it haha

[weary spear]

So will the ring be worth wearing at 642 with bis gems?

[humble verge]

well, when we get bis rings

which, do we even know?

[runic hinge]

Pins

And you’ll be able to sim it

[royal lantern]

i dont belive in sims

[candid sun]

I love putting my sims in a pool and removing the ladder

[proven jasper]

god wish someone would do that to me

[runic hinge]

Everything is sim bait tbh

[mortal rain]

Why is our mainstat crit & mastery but our crafted gear recommended haste mastery? Tooltip error?

[raven egret]

To clarify; what do you mean by "crafted gear recommend", through a sim?

[mortal rain]

Following the recommended "bis" lists its haste + mastery in the tooltip for crafted pieces

[raven egret]

k k, well regardless then just

the stats are not a static thing, and depends entirely on your current gear and context

[mortal rain]

So is there a recommended haste for us?

[mild rock]

what lvl keys do u guys think TTK is worth it in keys

and beats SD

[balmy condor]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[balmy condor]

Whenever you feel like it

[balmy condor]

Probably never

[mortal rain]

tyty

[keen spruce]

they're accomplishing different things

you take TTK when you want a little more ST

at the cost of a little bit of AoE

there's not really a "worth it" point

[balmy condor]

I mean the funniest part about that is if you’re swapping out sd for ttk

You’re probably not getting much single target

[keen spruce]

it's less than 2%

[balmy condor]

And people then use free’d up points for sanguine blades

Which is 0 single target

[keen spruce]

I did the billion talent sim and literally all of it

was within like 1-2%

in AoE and ST

[balmy condor]

Correct

But whispyr I simmed 6 target 2:20 min no lust hectic add cleave with pi and ttk was 2.5% better

[keen spruce]

why does this exist

[deft vault]

is the hotfix for the gems in yet?

[balmy condor]

They had to put something where subterfuge used to be

[keen spruce]

no

[balmy condor]

And couldn’t think of anything

[rotund oak]

to remind u how much shadow and darkness is in your heart

[balmy condor]

It also doesn’t work with shadow dance, or subterfuge

Ironically enough

[keen spruce]

just give us the shroud zoomie talent

from sub

[rotund oak]

it must be the most irrelevant node in the tree

meanwhile mages have them nodes moved on every other patch

everything's fine,i aint btching

[balmy condor]

it always makes me giggle when people are like why do guides take rushed setup

and then they link their setup and it has shadowheart

like oh rushed setup is the waste of a point?

[keen spruce]

ig you could put the point in unbreakable stride or shadowrunner

does anything even slow you in the current dungeon set?

[balmy condor]

not really

[limpid quest]

https://tenor.com/view/merry-christmas-charlie-brown-snoopy-gif-14099582538801328220

Happy Holidays! Whispyr, Thank you for all you do here!

[pliant terrace]

man blizzard really cooked with the creativity of these tier sets

just give everyone gamba

[balmy condor]

np king

happy holidays to you too

[gusty mirage]

happy honda days

[royal lantern]

placeholder talent that didnt get replaced

thats all

[balmy condor]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[runic hinge]

You know we celebrate toyotathon in this house

[royal lantern]

guys, i had the most painfull experience ever rn

more painfull then playing m+ even

[runic hinge]

Kidney stone?

[royal lantern]

my brother got a Displate thingy

you know, the metal posters you put on a surface with the magnetic glue thing

well, he threw the magnet away cus he is kinda stupid

and then decided to nail it on the wall

[runic hinge]

Did it fall on your toe?

[radiant raven]

oh noooo

[royal lantern]

no, but watching that happening gave me physical pain

[runic hinge]

Also I just picked Stu up for the fourth time

[royal lantern]

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[unique bay]

nailing metal to the wall has to be the worst idea

[runic hinge]

He is getting very comfy with the idea

[royal lantern]

he likes you more

or is waiting for you too show a sing of weakness

[austere wren]

QQ: Ironclaw Whetstones or Algari Mana Oils? TYVM!

[balmy condor]

whetstones always

[livid jacinth]

Citrines up yet or?

[balmy condor]

no

[livid jacinth]

dang

Wait we playing fatebound in next patch? I dont like that 😦

[balmy condor]

what

[royal lantern]

why should we

+if you dont like it, why play it

[balmy condor]

we have no idea what we're playing next tier

[royal lantern]

rogue, assassination, thats all i know rn

[livid jacinth]

nm must have misread something

[runic hinge]

I haven’t gotten bit yet

[pliant remnant]

gems up yet?

are the gems up yet?

guys

are the gems out yet or?

guys, the hotfix for all gems being available

is that out yet?

[static glen]

Can you check yourself

Is your account working yet

Can you login yet or?

The account that lets you play the game, is that available yet

[subtle tundra]

I'm playing with my cock, that's for sure

[balmy condor]

[pliant remnant]

[tall jay]

did the hot fix go out for the gems yet?

just curious

[zenith elm]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[runic hinge]

[pliant remnant]

[soft surge]

gems up

[past locust]

Any prior outlaws in here that converted to assassin?

[runic hinge]

No we don’t allow converts

[past locust]

Guess I’m stuck then. 😭

I prefer 115 APm compared to your 45 anyway!

[runic hinge]

Don’t forget your wrist exercises

[pliant remnant]

Never do

[past locust]

Where? Taljori no has.

[pliant remnant]

Bro got one guy'd

[brisk forge]

Why did Blizz destroy M+… Its crazy how they ”tries” to make things better but ends up in trash…

[royal lantern]

what did they do this time to "destroy m+"

i swear, you m+ guys say that more often then pvp guys at this point

[coral ibex]

oh boy a new emplusser cope

lets hear it

[brisk forge]

Just check changes to s2.

[royal lantern]

?

[pliant remnant]

Only thing I remember is them changing Guile from +10% to +12%

[coral ibex]

just read them bro

[pliant remnant]

but beyond that

What else

[coral ibex]

yea please explain what the current emplusser cope is

i read the changes and thought they were pretty good

if you care about depletes below 12 you're cooked ngl

[nova python]

they did remove deplete above 12 right?

[coral ibex]

the opposite

[slate crown]

It is not 100% crystal clear but no. My interpretation is that any key above 12 can still deplete but only down to 12, if you miss timer on a 12 it stays 12

[coral ibex]

m+2-11 won't deplete

keys can only go up to 12

only keys 13 and up can deplete

[nova python]

ohh okay, was reading this right after waking up so cant remeber what was that

[coral ibex]

the wowhead post says "the wording is unclear"

[spice surge]

Whats wrong about it

[coral ibex]

but it isn't?

Failing to clear a Mythic+ dungeon within the timer will no longer reduce the level of your Keystones below 12 for the season

[slate crown]

When I read it, it seemed pretty clear to me, but ehem clearly, because there’s discussion it isn’t clear

[coral ibex]

idk how you can read this sentence and not understand it lol

assuming english competency of course

[radiant raven]

Reward: Failing to clear a Mythic+ dungeon within the timer will no longer reduce the level of your Keystones below 12 for the season.```
The way I read it is that if you have the achievement, then a keystone won't decrease below 12 for the season. So if you ran a +12 and failed to time it, then it won't go down to an 11. But if you ran a +13, it'd drop to a +12. I assume it'll apply below 12, too but that's an assumption until we see it in practice.

[keen spruce]

get 2850, key can't go below 12

[runic hinge]

Causal btw

[keen spruce]

I'M NOT EVEN IN TITLE RANGE

[chilly canopy]

so the gem change is not online yet or am i missing something

[radiant raven]

Doesn't seem to be active yet, no.

[chilly canopy]

sadge

but ty

[keen spruce]

i tihnk they said later today

[weary spear]

What’s wrong with the changes

[humble verge]

man

i love pugs

join for 15db, and then help with 16ak

then they "gonna inv a friend", see them in lfg

[indigo lagoon]

If u start 12 key with pugs(like me) it’s so helpful

[humble verge]

ask priest that is non premade and they didnt even want rogue from the start, then why the fuck would you invite me can people just die idk im gonna explode bananas

[candid sun]

You're their unsung hero, king. The hero they needed but didn't deserve

[humble verge]

yeah, atleast priest appreciated me

[slow viper]

did the recommended change from whispers 11.0.5 youtube video? he says subterfuge is not worth cause is useless in ST for M+ but it's recommended on the wowhead guide

[humble verge]

like

i can get into any 15 mists

it dont matter tbh

if i sign to this

im 100% gonna get an invite

i bet

gonna try this for science

i was wrong.

[spice spire]

Crazy

[humble verge]

but like

i just hate people not just declining

sitting there waiting

zz

[indigo lagoon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1111893218557186071/1202975543730110474/emoji-reaction-meme.gif

[humble verge]

literally me

[blazing pumice]

you can play whatever

https://murlok.io/rogue/assassination/mm+

shows common builds

majority of people are playing at least one point in subterfuge

[humble verge]

im surprised

casual and speed

arent running double vanish

[blazing pumice]

apparently I'm noob

numbing feels too good

[humble verge]

depends

im using athropic

for high keys

the DR is pretty nice

[zenith elm]

Numbing is best for less than 12 and then its athropic in my opinion 😁

[fervent nest]

I think it's ok when you play in pugs with tanks going straight without looking back at you

[balmy condor]

you tell me there's more people playing dashing scoundrel than sudden demise?

THERES MORE PEOPLE PLAYING CLEAVE BUILDS THAN IRON WIRE?

we're so cooked man

[blazing pumice]

i play no sbs no doomblade/dashing and sd

feels good

[balmy condor]

yeah but it's dashing lmao

there is no way boss damage is THAT important that you throw away all that overall damage from sd

[humble verge]

wait is this in m+?

wait

[blazing pumice]

i think people are playing for funnel

idk

[humble verge]

that shit is probably

filled with raid and m+

talents trees

thats why

@balmy condor

[balmy condor]

no

that's m+ runs

[humble verge]

wait

what

[spice surge]

Tbf rio is sometiems scuffed with the talents

[humble verge]

HUH.

[blazing pumice]

i dunno if people are tping out though

[spice surge]

So sometimes people prob log out with raid spec

[blazing pumice]

to change to st

cuz there's a lot of arterial precision builds there

[humble verge]

hm idk

seems sus

[blazing pumice]

people are still dropping sd regardless

[humble verge]

yea

fuck SD :D

[balmy condor]

dropping SD

[edgy mauve]

well Fuu's deathstalker M+ build uses this

[balmy condor]

is just silly

[balmy condor]

well fuu, doesn't make assa builds

he just reports what sims highest in dslice with his profile

[dapper cradle]

how many people are running double vanish

[humble verge]

18

[nova python]

if you would have to choose between SD and Twist the Knife what would you choose?

[blazing pumice]

people are choosing ttk

[cedar fiber]

double vanish keeps me sane with pug tanks

[blazing pumice]

for high keys

[spice surge]

SD for aoe

[blazing pumice]

for low keys i'd be running sd

[spice surge]

ttk for more st

[dapper cradle]

TTK bangs

[balmy condor]

you would probably choose both technically and drop sanguine blades, but people like sanguine blades for some reason

[gloomy heart]

Think ppl are set to raid build

[balmy condor]

sanguine blades is big aoe, sudden demise is well rounded, ttk is single target

so people are bitching about boss damage

taking sanguine makes no sense

[nova python]

yeah i asked that about sanguine/ttk and sd and i was told that sanguine is almost like 100% take soo idk sometimes

[spice surge]

I just commit to full aoe, boss damage is stinky either way

[runic hinge]

I just commit to bricking keys

[gloomy heart]

i got pickle fries 🙂

[nova python]

yeah i think i need to fuck around with those 3 and find my balance, since my aoe is pretty good but im hard lacking ST in m+ build

[dapper cradle]

sanguine on bosses can feel pretty bad ngl

[nova python]

more than i should, need to work on that

[balmy condor]

yes, if we're talking overall then you play sang/sudden demise

if you need boss damage, you would drop sang

[spice surge]

But ye peoples m+ builds are mostly vibe based

[balmy condor]

for some reason people are doing it the other way

and dropping sudden demise

which is......

a choice

[jade abyss]

I skip sd and blades for ma and ttk idk if its bad

[blazing pumice]

if you drop IW, then you should be able to pick blades or sd

[dapper cradle]

i drop kingsbane

[runic hinge]

Crab build it is

[jade abyss]

Pog

[dapper cradle]

🤏🏿 mutilate pov

[balmy condor]

yeh that's fine too

[spice surge]

Also demise is not bad just because its a high key

Like ye the execute is gonna do like 2% instead of 5%

[dapper cradle]

10% bleed damage still bangs

[soft surge]

what is a high key

[spice surge]

But its still like 4% from the bleed

[blazing pumice]

i feel like you are losing a lot of that damage to pissy mobs tho

[balmy condor]

a lot of 10% bleed damage?

[blazing pumice]

no, the sd proc

[balmy condor]

who fucking cares about the proc

[jade abyss]

Thats how i play

[blazing pumice]

the bleed is obviously still good

[runic hinge]

It procs on every mob?

[balmy condor]

sims don't account for the proc

[frigid kestrel]

I think people read "SD" and only see the execute. There is a whole nother gain to it

[balmy condor]

and sd still bangs

the execute is piss

no one cares about that shit

[coral ibex]

emplussers baby!

[spice surge]

Me when i did a no KB full bleed arakara 10 last week and had a 12M hit

Clearly optimal

[runic hinge]

[dapper cradle]

no KB is crazy

[runic hinge]

Refreshing CT just for sudden demise damage

[soft surge]

no kb is as crazy as no sb

[dapper cradle]

but if anyone was to pull it off it'd be eleem

spamming CT in AOE

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna say it, no KB is probably crazier than dropping sd but taking sanguine blades

[dapper cradle]

red knives go brrrr

[balmy condor]

but it's not by much

like 1-10 crazy, dropping KB is like a 6.5

[runic hinge]

I’m gonna play bleed build fatebound this week for funsies

[balmy condor]

dropping sd for sang is like a 6.45

[soft surge]

in what dungeon would u play sd above a 12

[spice surge]

I mean i just literally played for max sudden demise hit

[balmy condor]

every dungeon

[spice surge]

Not for overall damage

[runic hinge]

[spice surge]

But im fairly sure that website just tracks what talent those people most recently logged out with

So a lot of them are gonna be full raid spec after doing raid

[soft surge]

dawnbreaker would be a good one to hearth out and go st

after 2nd boss or something

CLIENT UPDATING

https://i.imgur.com/ZWVkM7Z.png

[dapper cradle]

oh shit new gems incoming

[worldly sail]

new hotfix: rogue removed

[coral ibex]

[worldly sail]

all rogue mains have been compensated with a full refund of the game and subscriptions

[soft surge]

hmm

[jade abyss]

You write aug wrong

[soft surge]

still nothing new i can see on island tho

[worldly sail]

my bad, they're pronounced almost the same

[dapper cradle]

aug got bodied

[jade abyss]

Thats not enough

[dapper cradle]

looking at the pins, we just keep the same ring gems across ST and M+?

sub swaps between one of them

[spice surge]

fwiw its like 0.2% or something to swap as sub

Its very minor

Running storm everywhere is completely fine

[runic hinge]

Muh gains tho

[gloomy heart]

ONly dungoen we dont need silence in is mists right?

[humble verge]

so i simmed

with the talents that they ran, 1 vanish, 1 leth

[crisp venture]

dawnbreaker / ara / siege / cot

[humble verge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/espddYSeAJiVYrv2qbKP1D maybe i should craft back and neck

[gloomy heart]

ty

[humble verge]

db really depends on what the stupid tank picks

[crisp venture]

idk brto

them casters feel like they dont do shit

at all

compared to the dungeons i didnt list

[blazing pumice]

the channelers do

[vestal cliff]

are the other gems obtainable now after the patch?

[crisp venture]

dont think its out yet

idk

[dapper cradle]

bro when are they coming out

they said hotfix like almost 4 hours ago

[coral ibex]

bro where are the gems bro i need these gems bro what the FUCK

I NEED GEMS

[dapper cradle]

unironically me

the warbound epics are pretty pog

legit getting so much gear

[humble verge]

hahahaa, you havent seen what 2 casters can do to you in a 15

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-so-you-have-chosen-death-chosen-death-lord-of-the-rings-gif-15767548

[crisp venture]

i have it on 15

well

on a more armoured class

i guess, thats a pretty big difference

but the casters dont feel necessary to lose MA

[humble verge]

the drain is fine

but the dot cast

halves your hp as rogue

[violet berry]

Lmk when you find out lol

[coral ibex]

i havent even picked up the first quest

[coral ibex]

im not doing that dogshit until its a big upgrade

[crimson zephyr]

christmas miracle

[violet berry]

It’s a pretty big upgrade with the right gems

[coral ibex]

not until it has significantly more ilvl

[crimson zephyr]

do you guys just macro the trinket to deathmark?

[coral ibex]

yes

[hallow pelican]

has that gem hotfix been applied yet?

[crimson zephyr]

can I just do cast cast?

[keen spruce]

#showtooltip deathmark
/use 13
/cast deathmark

and you can add a potion in there too if you want

[hallow pelican]

so is that a yes or no on the hitfix?

[icy agate]

No

[dapper cradle]

no gems yet

just did a rotation of the events

no new drops and no new quests

[hallow pelican]

well fuck

hotfix incoming

im updating.

try relogging

[crimson zephyr]

generally, what do people mean by snap shotting?

[shy pecan]

When you have a buff that would buff your dots, if you use it, it would apply the dots and “snapshot” it with the buff. If you were to apply it again, it would just apply the dots normally and you’d lose the damage buff to that dot.

[crimson zephyr]

so how stuff worked for ages and that changed recently?

[hallow pelican]

nope nothing

[tawdry mica]

Damage that isn't updated if your stats change during the damaging

[crimson zephyr]

👍

[balmy condor]

they've removed basically every snapshot from the game cause it's jank

[crimson zephyr]

good decision

[shy pecan]

Yeah shouldn’t be needing to use addons to have to track all that nonsense. There’s very few things that snapshot nowadays. Garrote and all the feral dots are the only ones that have to think about snapshotting iirc.

[balmy condor]

yeah improved garrote still exists as a snapshot technically

[runic hinge]

What’s the feral changes can anyone read?

[balmy condor]

but it's pretty unimpactful for the most part

[shy pecan]

I can’t read, sorry

I don’t speak English

[runic hinge]

read my lips

[shy pecan]

[tawdry mica]

oh they're actually taking back the gems being time locked

rare blizzard W

[runic hinge]

I haven’t had time to pc this week

Mobile patch notes suck

[uneven plume]

can i get all the gems now

or its not hotfixed yet

or it doesnt matter cause its still trash

[balmy condor]

it's probably hotfixed to work on the next rotation of stuff

whenever that is

world events and shit are on some hidden timer

could be daily, twice a day

but the fact that it hasn't happened yet probably means we gotta wait for the invisible timer

my guess at this point is probably nothing until daily reset later tonight

[uneven plume]

i see

if they do

is it still good at 642?

[balmy condor]

probably a slight upgrade yes

[uneven plume]

kk ill sim it when it does

[balmy condor]

the ring is generally like 0.5-0.6% better compared to equal ilvl rings

so if it's 639 and you have a 639

new ring should be about 0.5% better

[hallow pelican]

but thats only when we get our BiS gems correct?

[balmy condor]

yes

which should be now

but isn't now

[tawdry mica]

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