assassination

[indigo lagoon]

sub can oneshot ppl

but 2mins cd

assa can play pve and MAYBE pvp

[acoustic roost]

How do you know, you’re new? 🙂

[indigo lagoon]

I've watched some vids

tried sub

tried assa

[lean plover]

Just play the one you enjoy

[indigo lagoon]

i enjoy both of them

[acoustic roost]

Glad you figured out pvp in 3 days

[indigo lagoon]

but skill issue for sub

[lean plover]

Chances are if you are new, specialy on pvp, you wont be at a rsting where spec matters anytime soon

[balmy condor]

I don’t have glad :(

Honestly now that I think about it I only have CE titles

[indigo lagoon]

sure

[normal mist]

All 3 rogue specs do well in pvp

And obviously all 3 fit different roles

[indigo lagoon]

Im always playing solo

[severe sparrow]

i wanted to get into pvp for a second and then realized i know fuckall about all the other specs of every class in game and i dont have the brain space to remember that shit

[indigo lagoon]

SAME

but im still trying

xDD

[runic hinge]

Outlaw has the highest average rating in 3’s and shuffle I think lol

[normal mist]

Yeah all 3 specs are doing really well

[indigo lagoon]

okay, I'll play assa for now. mb later I'll try to learn on sub rouge

[normal mist]

@indigo lagoon if you want more pvp specific info id advise on checking #pvp and talking with @hollow river there. The man is THE goat and will help you whenever he's available. Also check the pins

[indigo lagoon]

Thanks!

If I have a question about pvp daggers, should I write to the pvp channel? Or can I ask here?

[normal mist]

You need to acquire 2500(?) total conquest to get the achievement which gives you 2 weapons for free

[indigo lagoon]

Yes, atm i have only 1150

but i can craft daggers right?

[gloomy heart]

Is the brutosaur worth buying

[normal mist]

Yes but that's a waste

Just use honor ones

[indigo lagoon]

and crafted daggers should be better

[indigo lagoon]

Why?

[normal mist]

Because you'll replace them

[indigo lagoon]

hmm

i dont understand

[normal mist]

Crafted items are lower ilvl

[indigo lagoon]

i can craft 639 daggers with vers+mastery, no?

[normal mist]

No

[indigo lagoon]

sheesh

[normal mist]

636

[runic hinge]

You can craft the PvP ones with the heraldry but I would suggest just using the ones from the achievements while you fill out the rest of your gear

Conquest gear ain’t cheap and it’s a decent size upgrade over the honor gear

And you can get the weapons for free

[runic hinge]

Yea

[indigo lagoon]

like this

[normal mist]

Oops it seems I was wrong

[runic hinge]

Yeah you can do that but like I said you can get the normal ones for free to hold you over while you get rid of your green gear

[normal mist]

Nevertheless, that's a waste

[runic hinge]

The secondary stats are not gonna be the difference for you between a little crit or a little mastery

[indigo lagoon]

K

what about this buff?

90k dmg

i can apply this on quest daggers?

[normal mist]

Nop

[indigo lagoon]

(

[normal mist]

Only on crafted gear

Not sure if that is weapons only or if that can go on stuff like rings / bracers

[indigo lagoon]

Its my pve build now

some pvp items ofc))))

[normal mist]

You're naked

Hehehe

[indigo lagoon]

yep)))

if i have green one pvp

and purple one pve

green would be still better in pvp, right?

[normal mist]

If the pvp ilvl is higher then yes

[indigo lagoon]

because of ilvl in arenas

ok thanks

[normal mist]

Also

Don't focus too much on gear

Focus on learning the class

You can be full bis and still be stuck at 1k

Gear doesn't really mean much

[indigo lagoon]

yes i know

i need to remember my rotation

and etc

[normal mist]

Shadenox makes good YouTube pvp content / guides

I recommend him

[indigo lagoon]

is that macros?

or what

[gloomy heart]

Yeah

[indigo lagoon]

-_-

[gloomy heart]

Its just for visual

dw abt it

[indigo lagoon]

oh shit

i can do macro for all spells

[gloomy heart]

No one has a focus smokebomb or tea

LOL

[normal mist]

Yep

[indigo lagoon]

i was struggling with my keybinds

[normal mist]

It's mostly for easier visualization of the bar

[slate crown]

In most cases probaly not

[indigo lagoon]

guys pls tell me where i can find good macros

[normal mist]

If you're learning, you just need like 1 macro

Focus blind

[slate crown]

"Worth" is entirely dependent on how much AH/crafting you do, if you're there 24/7 jumping in because you're crafting a ton and making gold off it, yeah probably worth it in the long run

[indigo lagoon]

I spent 3 days thinking about which buttons to bind to make it convenient to use. I couldn't.

[slate crown]

but if you're in that situation you probably already know that

[slate crown]

Also how much gold you have, if you are loaded you won't notice the expense

Or if you are loaded IRL and just spend the $$ and don't care

then usre

[indigo lagoon]

smth like that

[gloomy heart]

I use shift 1-5 C/R/S/X/G , easy stuff to press

[indigo lagoon]

but im still struggling with that

[coral ibex]

my binds

[gloomy heart]

Suggest getting a mmo mouse if u dont have one already

[slate crown]

the secret is

don't try to think about the buttons that make it convenient

just play

[indigo lagoon]

S?

[slate crown]

Your fingers will adjust to what you have set up, you will struggle to push your buttons at first

but the more you play with it the more you'll train yourself

it really just takes reps

[indigo lagoon]

But how to move back -_-

[indigo lagoon]

i have lamzu v2 pro 4k atm

[gloomy heart]

Yes, i dont like to backpeddle

[slate crown]

backpeddling is fine

don't use it to move backwards

you use it to microadjust your position

[gloomy heart]

I rarely find use for it in arena

so i unound it

[indigo lagoon]

Thank you! This is good advice to be honest
but this requires patience))

[slate crown]

yes, it requires patience for sure

I found that I spent a ton of time trying to plan things out

but I found that if I just put down what was immediately in front of me

and didn't think about where I put my keybinds for spells

and just played for a few hours

I'd get used to it and be able to hit them no problem

the first few pulls were a struggle ,yes

but sometimes it's not worth the mental effort to do the planning

after years of play you'll start to learn what's best for you

then this whole process is easier

But I promise sometimes the best way to do this stuff, for so many aspects of this game, is just play the game

[runic hinge]

I put similar things for each class on the same keybind so it becomes more intuitive for me but I used to be very basic until WOD probably and then I modernized and it took a while but I’m very comfy with my binds now

[slate crown]

yeah find patterns that work for you for obvious things

[indigo lagoon]

thank you so much guys

[slate crown]

like always have interrupt on the same button

[indigo lagoon]

you're helping me alot

[normal mist]

And remember, we're the toxic discord

because we play with poisons heheheheh

I should be sleeping

[indigo lagoon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1111893218557186071/1202975543730110474/emoji-reaction-meme.gif

[indigo lagoon]

then gn)

[cyan karma]

There a good quazi video that explains a really good process of mapping out your binds

[indigo lagoon]

which?

[cyan karma]

123QERF and your best mouse buttons are your most important keys that belong to your most important abilities as you can hit them while on your wasd keys

Zxcvb (for mer personally) is a good row for utilities/ defensives

[indigo lagoon]

im using f1 for that

f1 for big cd spells

or defense

[cyan karma]

https://youtu.be/4bCzBstqlF0?si=D96FM9vYDYjytt2v

[runic hinge]

That’s far from your movement keys imo

I don’t use any f keys tbh

[cyan karma]

If you wanna get good, you want to start working towards hiding your binds altogether and run off you WA’s

Yeah all the f-# buttons I don’t recommend, there all my menus

[indigo lagoon]

Yessssss, i want that

but i need to make new keybinds and remember them)))))

[cyan karma]

So treat your binds like an FPS game, work out what’s most important (rupture, garrote, mutilate etc) and give them the main binds

I’ll screen you mine 15min or so

[indigo lagoon]

ty

[dapper cradle]

opening kingsbane parried on bloodbound

[orchid copper]

is coming from fury warrior to assassination rogue supposed to be frustrating?

wtf have i gotten myself into lmao

i just log out

[slate crown]

lmao

[runic hinge]

It’s definitely harder than fury for sure

[indigo lagoon]

i hate fury warriors btw
idk why but they're like spamming one button

[slate crown]

If you are coming from fury

where you press a button always

assassination is probably the furthest of any class from that

where you often don't press a button

[orchid copper]

oh no

[slate crown]

lol

[runic hinge]

You’ve been playing for three days you can’t hate anyone yet

[slate crown]

if you are coming from fury and want to play rogue

outlaw may be more up your ally to start with

[runic hinge]

Outlaw much closer

[orchid copper]

but is outlaw good now compared to assass?

[indigo lagoon]

If im not mistaken, they dont have cd on spells

right?

[slate crown]

all are good

[runic hinge]

They have cds

[slate crown]

Are you pushing 17/18s?

[orchid copper]

im literally getting hard on in fights on warrior

[fallow canopy]

they just bunga every time they can oonga

[orchid copper]

when warrior tops dps list i smile lmao

then these rogues

so outlaw maybe, sub is not me

[slate crown]

Sub also has downtime

if you are expecting to fill every gcd

then outlaw is the play

[orchid copper]

downtime makes me sweat, its not right

feels like i do something wrong

[slate crown]

I still think it's good to put yourself in unfamiliar/uncomfortable situations and classes sometimes

because it gives you a different perspective

and pushes you outside of your bubble

and that's a good thing

But ultimately, yes, if you want something more similar to fury

outlaw is a better fit

[orchid copper]

outlaws arent using daggers are they?

[slate crown]

I think they can use a dagger offhand?

mainhand they use any 1h weapon with agi (fist/mace/sword/axe)

[orchid copper]

uff

assassination it is 😂

[slate crown]

Welcome, your name is red anyways

[orchid copper]

completely different stat prio too?

[slate crown]

Assa doesn't care about stats

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[slate crown]

Assa likes all stats basically equally

[orchid copper]

ah kk

i think my build is fked already for a outlaw

[slate crown]

You really should play the spec that you enjoy pushing the buttons for more

Just putting that out there

[orchid copper]

i've been meta aiming xD

[slate crown]

Don't worry about your build/items being different from recommendations, you won't do well if you're playing something you aren't having fun with

[orchid copper]

but sub and assassination are daggers right?

[slate crown]

Yes

[orchid copper]

first time i played wow i played sub rogue like cataclysm

is it much different?

[slate crown]

It is about as different as any class is between modern and cataclysm

[orchid copper]

still same basics, just new spells?

behind, ambush bla bla

[slate crown]

I mean it's similar in the sense that you maintain rupture and have shadow dance windows

The cadence is different with cdr

I'd say it's pretty different

[strange python]

we can evasion the middle zone of ansurek at interphase?

[orchid copper]

ty for all the info 😄 i have some things to learn xD

[strange python]

the oneshot zone

[drifting cloud]

lmao no

[slate crown]

death

[strange python]

so cannot evasion?

[slate crown]

you will die

a horrible death

everyone will laugh at you

[strange python]

thats sadge

why paladins can and we not

that's not fair

[candid sun]

Suck off a Naaru so you can get bubble

[runic hinge]

I just step the pull and don’t even move

[strange python]

we can step the boss there? or step an ally

[cyan karma]

Is taking TTK over sudden demise a sideways move? I run the standard double vanish hybrid build… really want to try ttk, but I don’t really want to drop iron wire… so what goes?

[dapper cradle]

SD goes

It’s not as great in higher keys

Most people drop it

[cyan karma]

True… I was worried about loosing the 10% passive

And if the extra envenoum from ttk would out beat it… I guess so

[balmy condor]

You can step the boss but you need to be outside of that inner hexagon

There’s a minimum range where if it yoinks you, you will just die regardless

[dapper cradle]

Futanari female draenei

[candid sun]

gooning emoji

Lmfao

[desert vault]

so look at gems and stuff, not for the new ring, sims are showing just full crit + mastery gems?

[west jolt]

It's gonna be different for people, sometimes.

It depends on your gear. Not everybody has the best gear. And always verify your sim settings too

[spice spire]

Seek help bestie

[slate crown]

wow toxicquake

[dapper cradle]

don't kink shame bro

[frigid pilot]

theres a decent amount of rogues popping cds on pull on silken, is that competitive with holding?

[balmy condor]

If you don’t hold in first intermission yes

If you’re gonna cd on pull you gotta cd on intermission shield

[spice spire]

Good name ty

[slate crown]

np just out here helping the homies

[spice spire]

Ty goat

[runic hinge]

Help me out and post a kitty pic

[fresh kelp]

freaky

[spice spire]

tony is a taken man

he loves cute animals (extremely based)

[runic hinge]

[coral ibex]

rate the queen comp (brew/pal tanks)

[gloomy heart]

my gf is now 4/8M aswell

YEPCOCK

[static glacier]

seems aight

[desert vault]

can you evasion anything on Kyveza?

[craggy basin]

simming aside, is it actually worth have at least 1 of each gem color for culminating blasphemite before i stack

[runic hinge]

It is .15% crit damage. So if you have all 4 good colors it is .6% more crit damage

So .6% more on some of your damage, not even all of the time. You can decide if it’s worth but my sim doesn’t make me do it unless I force all 4 colors

[dapper cradle]

what do people usually put on boots

the stam or the speed

[slate crown]

Mount speed

[dapper cradle]

can't item restore because I don't have one of those profession knowledge items in my bag

from when I d'ed my boots by accident

[balmy condor]

Should be playing elusiveness, so yes

Without elusiveness, no

[nimble tartan]

wait that one node doesn’t do anything if u dont have elusive ?

bait and switch

[dapper cradle]

It’s just dodge for certain frontals/aoes without elusiveness

Does cheat even work on kyveza?

[trim storm]

this new ring is good for assa rogue ?

[coral ibex]

they thought that information was so good to know, they pinned it

[trim storm]

oh 🙂

[dapper cradle]

[carmine moth]

Yes

[dapper cradle]

Isn’t it an insta execute under a certain health threshold

[coral ibex]

yes

cheat is pretty low value compared to elu on kyveza

you get hit by something that should instakill you, you proc cheat, and then she executes you

[dapper cradle]

Elusiveness giga juices feint too

[real solar]

!shiv

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[ebon notch]

Can send a health pot really quickly and recover

[gloomy heart]

i rarely key

is this low for 11 gb

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1016839461914562602/1319194271236096062/image.png?ex=676512e7&is=6763c167&hm=0447b103630fb2a3d4d1acfe7b5bf15faae4eb431d47200ea09883b49b21026e&

mind you this aug has some blues on

[manic sphinx]

Nice!
I'm finally in the 1.5m territory thx to you guys. Without an aug

Long way to go tho, still learning

[balmy condor]

I’m assuming fatebound on kyveza

Because ya know

Its just better

[abstract chasm]

Finally got scardins grace

can i be lazy and macro it to Deathmark?

[keen spruce]

yes

it's not lazy it's just correct

[abstract chasm]

Excellent 🙂

[subtle tundra]

🧢

[balmy condor]

Go sim 5 min 1 target and tell me bigger number

Kyveza is as patchwerk as it gets

[subtle tundra]

probably so

[balmy condor]

I don't make the rules I just repeat them

[subtle tundra]

cause i have 3% haste 35% crit

so my deathstalker sim is in the dirt

[past bobcat]

Does anything gameplay wise change for fatebound

[balmy condor]

I mean it'll be better for basically anyone

[balmy condor]

you vanish for a slightly different reason and you macro cold blood

otherwise no

[subtle tundra]

cum blood

[past bobcat]

Cb to kb or dm

[subtle tundra]

kb

[balmy condor]

yeh kb

[past bobcat]

Hm seems easy enough

No dumb mark to track

[balmy condor]

and then you vanish like you would on deathstalker except you gotta make sure you're vanishing while the cold blood buff is up

you don't wanna like cold blood -> 2 envenoms -> vanish

cause that would be trolling

cold blood -> vanish is fine

cold blood -> envenom -> vanish is fine

but you gotta make sure you're juicing the edge flip from deathmark

[subtle tundra]

oh yeah im jucied

[runic hinge]

I play fatebound like once every two weeks on the two bosses and I never hit 7. I’m done gambling

[subtle tundra]

joiuced

whatever

whens poe 1

[past bobcat]

Hm is fatebound in every situation going to be higher on sikran and Kyveza

[balmy condor]

simply don't track coins that way you can't feel bad

[balmy condor]

sikran and kyveza

fatebound giga shit when there's aoe

[past bobcat]

But if you going for those boss damage parses

[balmy condor]

idk I guess

fatebound burst is fucking ridiculous basically

[subtle tundra]

boss damage parses

[past bobcat]

Maybe I try next reclear

[subtle tundra]

wheres that emote

[runic hinge]

I’m using your WA pack it’s built in! Also I like tracking coins I hit a 16 stack one time during heroic week

[past bobcat]

Surely it goes crazy on bloodhound too

[balmy condor]

I'm still on the fence about it

[past bobcat]

Since that fight is 1 min now

2 min sorry

[balmy condor]

like you entirely do not need to track coins

hell, you don't need to track anything really

[runic hinge]

Dopamine when you hit, good, when you don’t I just get super frustrated

[balmy condor]

but then it feels like you're not playing a hero talent

and I can't really do that either

[past bobcat]

So fatebound is pretty passive

Do you really have to track anything

[runic hinge]

My parses have been bad those weeks and it’s probably cause I’m hungover

Or it’s fatebound

[balmy condor]

on paper no

the hero talent plays itself

you could technically make an argument for tracking cold blood stacks so you know when to vanish

but tracking coins is entirely useless

purely for the dopamine

[past bobcat]

Interesting

I'll try it out for pre much all the bosses next week other than brood and silken

Maybe queen since adds die anyways as well

[balmy condor]

it's very chill on reclear cause you can turn your brain off

even if you probably won't parse high on add fights

[past bobcat]

Don't parse on ad fights anyways. We have warriors and dk and DH

[balmy condor]

yeh fk it

[past bobcat]

Boss damage parses tho go hard

Ulgrax is st fight now too

[balmy condor]

it's funny when it works though

like we recleared heroic for fineries cause we're extended on queen

and you're like looking

all the hero talents

perfectly symmetrical

all deathstlaker

and then you get to rash

and it's like

wait a second

I am the sole fatebound parse on heroic front page

holding down the fort

[subtle tundra]

hc...

[balmy condor]

fineries man :(

collect buff....

[subtle tundra]

i have a bunch on my alts

for some reason

so when i need i just transfer

[balmy condor]

we have a ton of no alt gamers

one trick feral, hunter, rogue

dk

[subtle tundra]

i wish that was me

[balmy condor]

got two one trick mages

mw one trick, disc one trick

[subtle tundra]

yea we also have 1 trick

[balmy condor]

guild full of one char raid logging gigachads

the way god intended

[subtle tundra]

but just has 4x mage

mentally not ok

[balmy condor]

I mean realisitically if I played at your level and needed 4 chars

it would probably be like 3 rogues and a war

if I HAD to do 1 ranged it would be 2 rogues, a war, and a mage prolly

[subtle tundra]

im not doing 2nd rogue i just refuse

id rather play badly and have fun

on a spec i dont know

[balmy condor]

yeah maybe

[gloomy heart]

love getting good groups

makes me spatter

[golden loom]

fury warrior is very fun

just spamming buttons and seeing stuff light up and satisfying sound effects

[floral reef]

tried to ask my guild to help me spatter on rash

maybe next week

[gloomy heart]

mine does shit too ngl

might drop it next week

[floral reef]

yea...

[gloomy heart]

LOL

Jesus christ

[floral reef]

big sad that is

[golden loom]

I had a pretty good spatter on my best mythic rashanan

[gloomy heart]

Where does your group put the adds

[golden loom]

I only pug so was probably just lucky

[gloomy heart]

I had a group put them ontop of boss which was good but

my guild does it to the right

so i cant hit them for shit

[golden loom]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JwLpaj3hbKCHyR4V?fight=27&type=damage-done guess there was no fury warrior to 1 shot it either

[floral reef]

my guild places it so far back

just zero chance

tried to recruit our blood dk to mass a few sets but alas

[gloomy heart]

ima talk to GM to try and put it on boss

so ican parse

[floral reef]

yeah im not even sure why we do it so excessively, i think it had to do something with someone falling off one time and we overcorrected

maybe i just gotta pug

[subtle tundra]

play ct omg

if you want to do add dmg...

[golden loom]

cant you just put it in the middle like in heroic?

idk I havent paid much attention, personally I just run into the boss if I get add on me

[gloomy heart]

^ i did this in a pug once

and we killed it first try

[floral reef]

kek

[gloomy heart]

guild hardheaded bc its their first kill

[floral reef]

i need 19 more of u

and a rash pull

[gloomy heart]

@subtle tundra since ur here, hows this look for nw 10

i did 2.1m

[floral reef]

spitter spatter

[golden loom]

just start spampinging melee range once debuffs go out and see what happens

[floral reef]

ah yes

[gloomy heart]

i dont key much

[floral reef]

activate the monkey neurons

[gloomy heart]

so i dont know how its supposed to look

[subtle tundra]

idk blud

that looks ok

[floral reef]

looks pretty normal

[gloomy heart]

thx blud

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wizard-wizadcat-rizz-gif-16196157513106758517

[subtle tundra]

🥰

[gloomy heart]

feels nice to find a good group in lfg +2 a 11 gb and then do a 10 nw for funsies

[coral ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1055683073506816020/1284224702201593929/pewpew.gif

[floral reef]

sounds like you shoulda gone 13

[gloomy heart]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gun-wizard-wizard-cat-cat-gun-gun-cat-wizard-gif-821142718141522645

am i supposed to lose to fdk?

[coral ibex]

i never lose

[gloomy heart]

ig im

BAD

respectfully

[subtle tundra]

nope

but in low keys i guess it can happen

they have direct burst

you have ramp

[gloomy heart]

heres example

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1016839461914562602/1319194271236096062/image.png?ex=676512e7&is=6763c167&hm=0447b103630fb2a3d4d1acfe7b5bf15faae4eb431d47200ea09883b49b21026e&

11 GB

our bosses were slow

[bright tartan]

Ice cream vendor won

[gloomy heart]

I also died 2 times to sketchy shit

[storm hedge]

Welp if you die and they won't you will likely "lose" to anyone good

[rotund oak]

I find it more fun to kill warriors.Cheapshot the war=>cheapshot the healer as my mage casts his sheep=>Blades=>dance=>strike=>symbols=>sectech as my mage executes the perfect shatter to watch the scum die into a dr 2nd cheapshot while his healer is unable to react to any of it ❤️

[sacred schooner]

what rating is that?:)

[rotund oak]

any rating,its just fun

[subtle tundra]

i really want to post the gif but i dont want to spoil people

THE gif

[sharp viper]

no

bad varas

[gloomy heart]

do it.

[normal mist]

do it.

[rotund oak]

doeit

[gloomy heart]

nvm delete it

[subtle tundra]

ok..

[rotund oak]

ok i wont write what i wanted either

[gloomy heart]

anyone have this and know if it’s hard to get

[floral reef]

Yes- no

theres a full guide on wowhead

[rotund oak]

got the 500 mounts achiev,dont rly care anymore

[drifting cloud]

takes like 3-5h depending how lucky you get on torrential

[rotund oak]

otter looks bad but whatever

[normal mist]

Did it yesterday

It's easy

Requires some farming

But doable in like 3 hours

[blazing pumice]

they fixed the raid buff creative use of mechanics m+ 😦

thing

[subtle tundra]

what bufffff

exploit?

[blazing pumice]

i never did it because i'm not a cheater

[subtle tundra]

no idea what youre on about

[blazing pumice]

but you could do an rp raid and get the raid buffs and they would stay

[subtle tundra]

ah that

yea cringe ass

[agile wedge]

not that it matters much, but i wanna understand. in those race sims, what does baseline mean? i mean you need to pick a race anyway right

[golden loom]

maybe baseline is a race with no damage things (human for example), not sure tho just yapping

[agile wedge]

but then if there is no amplifier, it had to be worse than something with an amplifier

iam curious 😄

afaik there is no tradeoff within a race

[golden loom]

yeah I mean it can be "worse" but at the end of the day the racials are so minimal that it doesnt matter

[agile wedge]

i know i know, iam just curious, what certain things mean

[normal mist]

Looking good > having bis racials

5% DMG increase

Minimum

[subtle tundra]

i dont need to look good ingame

i look good irl

haha cap

[normal mist]

[golden loom]

my character named uwucutegirl cant be an ugly ass orc

[normal mist]

You look awesome tho

[normal mist]

Not with that attitude

[sharp viper]

i opened like 16 chests and got 0 fragments

[normal mist]

I had a bad time with those too

[grim jay]

How does human have no dmg things

[normal mist]

He probably meant an active

[grim jay]

They should just make it so you can choose a race and whatever ability you want

[grim jay]

Which doesnt make sense either

Because it wouldnt work as a baseline

[normal mist]

Human doesn't have an active racial for damage

Oh that

Idk

[sacred schooner]

also passives kinda meh, but i still play it for animation lol

[normal mist]

We better off asking the big man the questions about his sims

[golden loom]

wait what does human have

[normal mist]

Extra % secundaries

[grim jay]

Baseline is most likely just a profile with racials disabled

[golden loom]

wat the fk

[normal mist]

Gained from item iirc

[grim jay]

How do you think it would be up there most of the time

[sacred schooner]

-5 min hs

[grim jay]

With no dmg racial

[grim jay]

Did they even fix it yet?

[golden loom]

okay I have played a human my entire time and had no idea

[sacred schooner]

nope still 20m 😄

[golden loom]

I thought they would have removed the human spirit when they removed spirit as a stat so I never even realized

[royal lantern]

shows you how "important" racials are

[grim jay]

I kinda think its fascinating that they stick with that shit as is

[sacred schooner]

oh they fix it shows 25m but in reality 20m

[floral reef]

dunno why they changed void elf racial

it was easy to see what it did before

[blazing pumice]

@subtle tundra nvm it's still there lul

[subtle tundra]

aaaaaaaaawooogaaaaaa

cheaters keep winning

[royal lantern]

huh

[sacred schooner]

did you know you can fail wb wq?

and you get like 10% reward 😄

[grim jay]

Hu

[royal lantern]

how can you FAIL a worldboss

like, dont they just reset on a wipe

why is there a "quest failed" state lol

[sacred schooner]

exactly

we killed it i even received titan disc

for kill 😄

and valorstones

clearly a bug, one of many

[old lily]

got a question for you guys, how do you make sure that during some big pulls the target that you decide to death mark and king's bane doesn't die early?

because my group usually has an enhance shammy quite a few of the pulls that i can pop CD's on i lose 5-8 sec of KB/DM

[blazing warren]

You beg the Shaman to dont use CDs

[old lily]

even though i try to select the toughest mobs to use them on

[blazing warren]

Other people also select the toughest mobs

Sometimes what i do ill just select some other add that i think wont die

But mostly if the big guy dies and the pull also dies fast then i dont think that matters if you did a lot or not

As long as it dies fast i think its fine but im not an expert

[old lily]

so other than that potentially try to switch up who uses CD's at what packs

[blazing warren]

Yeah mostly this

But in a pug i dont really care and just send on cd as long as its not a complete waste

[old lily]

yea i mostly play with premades, atleast 1 but usually 2-3

[blazing warren]

Yeah then planning who uses where can help, if two people can explode a pack then the third can use on the next one if needed

[manic sphinx]

New rogue here. What do I use pickpocket on? 🤔

[blazing warren]

Bubble Wax mobs or get a Glyph and pickpocket the silliest looking humanoid

[old lily]

the trolls in northern ice crown in northrend, they can drop a toy that you can sell

[manic sphinx]

oooh

[royal lantern]

you grab the pickpocket disguise glyph and pickpocket the nerubians in the town

enter the raid as a cryptlord

[safe shale]

Sooo.. the rings currently dogwater? even at 642. wp blizzard XD

[grim jay]

Well ilvl doesnt really matter

[safe shale]

Well.. it does and doesnt

Because we cant get the good gems

So all that matters is ilvl making the shit gems better than our current rings

Which it doesnt

[grim jay]

Well last thing ive heard is that the gems dont scale with ilvl

So it doesnt matter

[safe shale]

Soo whats the point in the ilvl increase each week?

[grim jay]

Stamina? Gearscore? Who knows

[safe shale]

Wild

[floral reef]

farm player engagement over christmas?

who nose.

[grim jay]

I aint logging in more for stamina or gearscore

[drifting cedar]

Re-sub

[royal lantern]

you can do all the stuff afterwards aswell

but sure, i gues

wow players paying 12bucks a month, and then write shit like that everytime we get a patch

[midnight mist]

if you know, just tell him to not focus your dm target

like first pack of nw

i ask my enha to not focus the big dude

same for like second golem of first pack sv

im alone on it

[floral reef]

well, yeah

[old lily]

yea i tried that, doesn't always work

[frozen jasper]

Are the other stones for the ring really only coming out next week? Or do you guys think maybe they reset the quests mid week, like they sometimes did in the anniversary event

[normal mist]

No one knows

We gotta wait

[old lily]

took me like 5 or 6 keys of yelling at the tank to have him allow me to re stealth between packs because i belive that takes priority over his ascendance stacks

[royal lantern]

it doesnt

but ok

you are trolling your team mate

[old lily]

not sure if that's sarcasm or not 🙂

[normal mist]

It isn't

[royal lantern]

you tell the tank to slow down, which means that everyone is losing running stuff, INCLUDING YOURSELF

to get stealth

[old lily]

well it's more that if a pack is almost dead getting the re stealth for the imp garrote and getting the ease of multiple rupture applications makes a big difference in how much damage i manage to do

[normal mist]

Re stealths feel good yes
Good chaining also feels good

[old lily]

so if the last mob has like 10m hp then we finish that before dragging it into a new pack

[neat patio]

how many haste should i run for M + ?

[normal mist]

You can only really complain if your tank is chaining 2 mobs at 3% HP to the next pack

[normal mist]

CRIT mastery and call it a day

[golden loom]

kidney it or something to stop it from being dragged to next pack, kill it and restealth or smthin

[midnight mist]

send kb on it so it dies faster

and you can restealth

[royal lantern]

and at that point everyone complains cus it sucks for more or less all classes

[old lily]

yes that is what they usually did mobs with low hp constantly getting dragged into other pulls

[old lily]

i have tried that but i often end up in combat even though i stay and solo the target

and sending a KB on a mob with 10m hp doesn't seem to be worth a bunch

[normal mist]

Good chain pulling is actually pretty good for us, going into a new pack with full stacks of scent of blood

It doesn't feel good because you'll then need to manually spread ruptures, but mathematically it's good

[old lily]

i think an example is like on siege of boralus, after the first boss you run over that ship after killing the spotter/artillerist (don't remember the name)

the tank used to hit those mobs that you can't otherwise normally aggro

which kept me in combat and prevented stealth, it's usually like that

[normal mist]

You can also have a talk with him and explain that good chain pulling is better than whatever he's doing

[old lily]

yea i eventually got that through to them so we didn't hit packs to 15% and then pull the next with the other 5-7 mobs at 15%

i guess it's hard to explain the situation over text

[normal mist]

Yes it is

I also love to re before packs

[frosty bridge]

I see where you're coming from tho, most tanks don't chain properly in pugs

[golden loom]

the beauty of double vanish

[frosty bridge]

You mean being a night elf

[old lily]

but my dps generally went from 1.4m in some dungeons to being 1.6 after they started letting me re stealth and now since getting a skardyn's grace i hit my fist dungeon with 2+ mil

[frosty bridge]

(When it works)

[old lily]

yea i usually run that too depending on if we have a pug tank

[normal mist]

Overall the group is also playing better

[old lily]

yea also true

i guess it also depends a lot on the dungeon

but thanks for all your input 🙂

[heady plaza]

am i trippin or how does 1 multi gives u enough cp to proc DN in sims

[blazing pumice]

supercharger maybe?

idk

[heady plaza]

i know u can get 4 and supercharger + forced makes it 7 but dont u wanna max it out to get a 10 cp with DN?

[blazing pumice]

you still finish at 5cp+

[golden loom]

with DN you force 7, just ignore that u are even playing super charger

[flint tusk]

I think he is refering to procing darkest night where you need 'max' cp

[golden loom]

idk what the sim be doing tho but thats the logic I have been following atleast

[heady plaza]

yes

[subtle tundra]

yes its using supercharger

[blazing pumice]

i don't play supercharger, but pretty sure you can use it at 5 to proc dn

[subtle tundra]

idk why it does

but it does it

[flint tusk]

As with supercharger you can proc it at anywhere from 4-7CP

i've never actually thought where it's worth doing it just cycling the buff

[flint tusk]

That's deathstalker mark not darkest night

[blazing pumice]

isn't it showing darkest night buff in that picture?

[flint tusk]

Yes, but darkest night you need "max CP" not Deathstalker mark is 5+

[blazing pumice]

yes, so it's using envenom at 4cp with ds up to proc it with supercharger

so it acts as a 7cp finisher

[floral reef]

yes

[heady plaza]

i get the sims logic but not forcing max cp for DN while u cd is actually a dps loss inst it?

[blazing pumice]

no

you don't need to force max cp

[keen mantle]

What is the shadowmeld command?

[heady plaza]

okay but 4 base cp still seems low to me

[keen mantle]

!meld

[old lily]

oh yea that reminds me, if i have the ST build with supercharge, and i use a shiv, does that mean i can envenom for max CP at 5 or can i envenom at 7 for 9?

[blazing pumice]

this is like a 0.0001% difference in dps

[keen mantle]

!shadowmeld

fk this shit

[heady plaza]

that like 1.5-2M less env dmg

for that 1 cast

[flint tusk]

with supercharger in theory you can proc deathstalker mark at 2cp and darkest night at 4cp. but not sure that's correct

as in not sure it's the correct process for max damage

[golden loom]

just gonna refer to this

[lavish tundra]

hey been wondering, i was checking archon and it says like raid build needs some more haste than m+ is it significant dif if i run m+ stats on raid?

[golden loom]

just force 7 even if u have charger up, ignore it

[old lily]

alright

[blazing pumice]

you can do either

[flint tusk]

I thought this would be the case.

While it does feel smoother at time to short change the finisher it does seem to do less damage.

had plenty of time to consider my opener on princess mythic wiping ....

[blazing pumice]

finishing at lower cp just means you have to think about supercharger

[heady plaza]

i always do this

[flint tusk]

Well not really think about it it's always 2 finishers after shiv, not like it's a random proc

[blazing pumice]

it's not that the sim says it is better to go to 7cp

[heady plaza]

maybe sim does it for env buff uptime or idk

[blazing pumice]

you only go to 7cp because you want to proc dn

not because going to 7 is better

[floral reef]

i honestly dont think about supercharger one bit and im doing a lot of damage

sometimes i proc at 4

sometimes i proc at 7

hakuna matata

[blazing pumice]

because it doesn't matter lol

[floral reef]

exactly

[blazing pumice]

if 7cp finishers were better, the general rule wouldn't be finish at 5+

[heady plaza]

its better but only with DN up

[golden loom]

that doesnt really make sense?

[flint tusk]

the rule is there for procing deathstalker mark NOT darkest night

they're not the same thing

[golden loom]

the 5+ thing is because our hero talents are built around it

[royal lantern]

(its also the most effective point to use finishers aswell)

[blazing pumice]

yes, it's 5cp because you risk overcapping

[golden loom]

because mutilate? or why

[lavish tundra]

is hekili rotation considered optimal on sin? recently switched to try it out (assuming i press everything in right order and off gcd)

[blazing pumice]

you're only ever forcing 7 because you have to consume dn

[floral reef]

its based on the apl so yes its "optimal" on patchwerk 5 minutes

[blazing pumice]

but if you have supercharger up it's w/e

[golden loom]

but yeah, I mean they wouldnt have made fatebound/deathstalker interact at 5 cp if it wasnt the best place to finish anyways I guess

[blazing pumice]

blizz doing sensical rotations kek

it's not the "best place" to finish, it's the most efficient for cps

7cps are more efficient for gcds, not cps

[arctic socket]

Hekili is decent now to just understand the basics, don’t just rely on it for sin

[balmy condor]

It does it because it had old logic to account for echoing reprimand and it makes no difference whether or not you do it, both approaches are identical in dps so I just have never bothered to change it cause why would I change something that’s 0.0%

“You ignore supercharger and build to 7cp” is just as correct as whatever jujitsu brain gymnastics you wanna do otherwise with supercharger

But thinking about it and making a case of “well if you have a supercharger up and darkest night and your dick is half chubbed” or whatever is just strictly more effort than telling people to not give a shit

Hope that explains it

[arctic socket]

Brain gymnastics

[sharp viper]

feelycrafting

[lavish tundra]

i mean till now i’ve been playing outlaw full hekili plus some general knowledge about the spec, do this when that happens or this etc. while also parsing 90+ and i’ve been wondering if that would work for sin too

[royal lantern]

ye

like, you wanna generate as high as possible without wasting the generated cp

5CP is the point where using mutilate would result very likely in wasted CP

and you want to avoid wasting energy that could go into effective CP generation

[floral reef]

personally, it feels bad pressing a builder at 5+ if i dont have to

[torpid sparrow]

i just changed PC today , reinstalled wow , wtf , interfacve , but none of my macro r working and even new one arent working, anyone got any idea what could be the problem?

[balmy condor]

90%+ of minmaxing situations on this spec is legit just this conversation with some extra steps:
“why X and not Y??”

Cause it doesn’t make a difference and we gotta pick one

[floral reef]

or just do both, damage amp on court? we go one big number

looks cool

feels cool

[sharp viper]

most of my variance on damage relies on wether kingsbane crit or not during the last ticks

[flint tusk]

So basically if you wanna make you epeen grow slap max cp with supercharger for max envenom crit

[floral reef]

speaking of which we've started to machine gun dispells on court so kingsbane doesnt cover all of the amp

very sadg

[balmy condor]

Why not pooling before kb, why no supercharger, why macro tea and not holding tea for end of kingsbane, why sim say haste not crit, why trinket sim good, why radiant power, why my parents no love me

And every time it’s just “doesn’t fucking matter”

Incredible game really

[arctic socket]

I have seen hekili be both praised and shit on in this channel, take it how it is, it’s a good help for new players to get understanding of basics

[balmy condor]

Giga disagree

I think it’s actively harmful to new players

The only thing hekili teaches you is the spell icons of your own keybinds

[earnest remnant]

you learn how to follow pictures, not how to play the class

only way Hekili is kinda useful is to watch what it doing and ask yourself why, then come in here and get the actual answer for it

[balmy condor]

It’s inherently a detriment to any understanding of the spec and is actively making the player base stupider

Fucking dogshit ass addon

Burn it

[arctic socket]

this is what I mean

[balmy condor]

I mean you said it’s a good help for new players

You’re wrong

It’s really that simple

It’s a good help for new players that don’t want to actually learn the game and just want to press shiny button

[radiant snow]

is fatebound simming higher than deathstalker in raid now?

[balmy condor]

In single target yes

Fatebound sucks with adds

[blazing pumice]

if you're overwhelmed and you want to learn how to play the class, reroll a new character and play from scratch

[radiant snow]

oooo

was wondering why fuu spreadsheet updated

[balmy condor]

What

[blazing pumice]

you'll be forced to read every talent and ability then

[balmy condor]

Was it not better on his spreadsheet before?

Fatebounds been better for months

[radiant snow]

does anyone actually play it ?

[balmy condor]

I mean that depends on your definition of play

I played it all of kyveza prog

[radiant snow]

really

howd you like it

[arctic socket]

What about court?

[balmy condor]

Idk it’s like deathstalker but more burst and no mark

[radiant snow]

sometimes the mark gets annoying to juggle

[lavish tundra]

i mean i use hekili assuming i’ll never be as good as the program that literally tells what to do resulting in dps loss

[balmy condor]

I don’t have the energy to unpack why that’s braindead

[arctic socket]

Haven’t went to sleep yet?

[blazing pumice]

simc isn't magic

just press your buttons

[balmy condor]

Woke up in a cold sweat cause we’re talking about fucking hekili again

[radiant snow]

i cant

[blazing pumice]

people shit the bed on dps because of mechanics, not because they can't press buttons within a 1s timeframe

and it's not like the sin st rotation is mega nuanced

there's a reason there's a big difference in individual player dps in dungeons, they are chaotic

[radiant snow]

the sin opener is probably my favourite after playing all 3 specs and being an outlaw main

[balmy condor]

I have coached hekili users that struggled to green parse heroic and I’ve had arguments with hekili fanatics that link me 99 mythic parses and at some point you just gotta wake up and recognize that reading a list of icons isnt what makes players good

But what reading a list of icons does do is eventually melt your brain until you’re a monkey on a typewriter

And only then will you be prepared to get your m+ title

Amen

[arctic socket]

Called all m+ player monkeys

[balmy condor]

I’ve called them worse

[sharp viper]

I don't believe you just because I don't believe you actually sleep

[arctic socket]

With how often he’s in here I don’t believe he sleeps either

[balmy condor]

I mean something has to make the m+ community adverse to math, it’s like flat earthers ya know, you don’t start your life thinking the earth is flat, something in your life has lead you down the path and caused you to be a dumbass

[worldly sail]

whispyrGPT, he’s actually sleeping right now

[midnight mist]

But then you ain't playing the game no? if you could use a bot that would dodge stuffs for you, would you do it, cause it probably would be better than any player right

[flint tusk]

M+ Mains need to be put in padded rooms with no outside contact.

[oblique wasp]

Guys is it reasonable for me to consider fatebound on rasahan and ulgrax as I was only cranking the boss? I switched from tank and still learning the fights?

[nova python]

are you guys helping with reading logs or it’s rarely happening? i don’t really know what to look for. still new to assa, comparing myself to other logs but i’m also not sure if 627-636ilvl is that big of a difference in dmg

[balmy condor]

They have that it’s called looking for group

[flint tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/infinigods-king-of-destiny-kod-spartan-sparty-gif-11905458178872071885

[balmy condor]

It’s not entirely unreasonable but it’s also probably not something to recommend

If you’re playing internal bleeding on rash already it’s probably fine

[pliant remnant]

Shut up nerd

[balmy condor]

Ulgrax just like

Has adds

[oblique wasp]

Understood, my thought comes from following - I am still subpar geared, and adds on rasasan and ulgrax: our hunters and others just swear in adds' general direction and adds are no longer there for me to poison and bleed them dry

[balmy condor]

So probably not great

[golden loom]

are u talking about heroic or mythic

[pliant remnant]

Internal Bleeding on Rashanan's good

[oblique wasp]

Mythic

[spice surge]

Rude

[pliant remnant]

(in Heroic)

[flint tusk]

Back to your room heathen

[pliant remnant]

[oblique wasp]

Ulgrax was my mistake - the add phase took longer and I lost my mark, I already had meeting with my tank to allow me going with him so I can cultivate it

[balmy condor]

Ulgrax adds definitely live long enough for you to get an envenom or two off

What

[oblique wasp]

Like not lose it because RL tells us to stay behind

[balmy condor]

The mark ain’t a biology experiment you don’t have to cultivate anything

[pliant remnant]

[balmy condor]

Just don’t mongo smash your darkest night if you’re about to phase and fuck off

[shy creek]

RL is telling hou to stay behind because he doesnt want you to get hit

Dont get hit

Tricks the add to ur tank

Go get ur envenom off

[oblique wasp]

Ok thanks

[balmy condor]

Me run away from boss in 5 second

Me no build to 7

[oblique wasp]

Im still under pressure as the switch was really fast from me tanking, thank you all for advice

[royal lantern]

use finisher at 5cus DN is up->supercharger buff was still here and applies it

:3

im not smart

[pliant remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/zorthar-pancake-pancake-fail-wow-zorthas-gif-11271338529801362547

[floral reef]

rank 1 locked in letsgo

[royal lantern]

isnt that cus we had a "reset" for parses and most people didnt do the Fights yet :?

[floral reef]

wouldve been a rank 3 last patch i guess

ill take the 100 on my record anyway im not picky

[royal lantern]

ye

big number good

brain gives happy happy chemicals

[pliant remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/gold-chain-bite-icy-player-gold-gif-14604359

[warm vortex]

Got wings of shattered sorrow
Might take it X3

Ill sim it

Holy shit apparently its a 2.1% increase in aoe
Im gonna have so much haste XD

[dapper cradle]

haste is bussin fr fr ong no cap

[warm vortex]

It keeps simming

Also

I turn 19 tomorrow
Just thought id say that cause im hyped for it :D:D:D:D:D

[normal mist]

I wish I knew what the hell you just said

[normal mist]

Soon 20, after that 30

[warm vortex]

on GOD

[dapper cradle]

pog as fuck happy early birthday

turning 14 soon, pretty hyped

[golden loom]

Being younger than world of warcraft is crazy work

[restive bobcat]

do we use dungeon slice to sim aoe? i know it depends on the class whether it works or not

[royal lantern]

you use dungeon slice for dungeon sims

[past bobcat]

Wait but the guys doing rash with ds are higher than you

[ebon notch]

I’d argue for parsing that death stalker is better on rashanan for the FoK damage on add spawns

I also bribe an evoker to push the adds under the boss for spatter

[royal lantern]

"oh sorry, i thought you said TtS Firebreath"

[ebon notch]

Aug players are easily manipulated

[royal lantern]

we are ethical

no aug players in the raid

delete aug

[hollow talon]

Bro is younger than the game

[royal lantern]

14 is like, 3x the age of the average yellow name

[normal mist]

Good one

[ebon notch]

Trust me if I could ban it I would

[royal lantern]

it happens cus we had 2 evokers

1 went aug, and then stopped playing evoker

then the other went aug, and stopped playing evoker

Aug, the best way to make sure that nobody plays evoker for more then 1 tier

[ebon notch]

We have 4

[timid vortex]

quick questions about the spatter/internal bleeding node, does spatter do any damage to your main target (i.e. in ST), and is internal bleeding a significant damage increase in ST or do we just take it for pathing?

[normal mist]

No and no

Internal bleeding does a good amount of DMG in st

It's good enough

[timid vortex]

thanks

im guessing it also works with deathmark or?

[royal lantern]

no

[timid vortex]

nvm tooltips

soz

[royal lantern]

its just free dmg

[royal lantern]

too be fair

wow tooltips are a bit of a meme sometimes

[normal mist]

sometimes

You feeling happy today or something?

[golden loom]

random thought, can you cloak at like 1 second on P 1.5 ansurek to avoid the drag in

[normal mist]

Afaik no

Just SS

[timid vortex]

wait you can dodge it with shadowstep? cool

[golden loom]

yee it just feels awkward cause it always seem to happen as I DM KB

[timid vortex]

im assuming you need to time it as ur getting pulled?

[normal mist]

Not 100%

You start getting pulled - you SS - you are reasonably safe but still being dragged slowly in

So you still need to keep moving

[heavy canopy]

I fucked that up so many times I just SS to an ally far out right before she pulls

[golden loom]

(the cloak idea was purely a parsing idea, not safety)

[normal mist]

I fail dodging the waves more than SS

xD

[golden loom]

it feels so good as warrior to bladestorm the pull in though

so was hoping cloak maybe would work

[heavy canopy]

Ha, yeah, lets just say our RL had to yell "WAVES" every 3 sec in that phase 😛

[royal lantern]

huh?

[normal mist]

You said sometimes

When it's most of the times and I felt you were feeling generous

[royal lantern]

well, they kinda do the job well enough most of the time

and then we have tooltips that only ay 50% of the actual effect

or the entire "poison/Nature dmg"

[golden loom]

I love how cosmic damage is apparently a poison effect

[spice surge]

Cosmis is arcane, holy, nature and shadow damage.
And for the most part posion = nature damage, so it makes sense

But its not very clear

[golden loom]

thats kinda the problem having 100 different combinations

[cloud marsh]

thinking about crafting 636 boots with crit/mastery on them instead of these 626 hero rtack boots. nay or yay

maybe an OH?

[shy creek]

Sim both see what it comes out to

[cloud marsh]

alright, really dumb question - how do i sim an item that i dont have

[river nebula]

Top Gear there is a section at the top where you can type out the item

Just need to max ilvl it and remember to add embellishments etc

[woven shore]

When is s1 done?

[spice spire]

Likely late February

[woven shore]

God not so much time for ce anymore

[cloud marsh]

I have a question about combo points usage - do you ever send 4cp envenom or is it always 5+ except when you need to reapply mark

[woven shore]

5

[royal lantern]

eh

holiday season fucks a bit

but outsside of that its a bit normal

only problem was that they didnt change court for so long tbh

[woven shore]

Best pull guild had was 26%

We maybe kill it today

But queen will prolly take double the court time

[royal lantern]

naaaaah

queen feels less BS overall

and the weekly dmg/healing buff actually helps on her

it didnt do shit on court

[woven shore]

Lol

Im at 7%

😂

I didnt do heroic or m+ since weeks

Now bc of that new stupid ring i gotta play

[halcyon hamlet]

https://chatgpt.com/share/67643df0-8d30-800d-8aff-098e4e9eab57 someone in our guild is trying to convince us to use the ring in mythic silken court and this is his "calculations as to why"

What do you thnk @balmy condor

[royal lantern]

allright sorrry but

that would be a gkick from me if i was the RL lol

[woven shore]

I think you huge as fuck

[spice spire]

I can already tell you it won’t be received well

[woven shore]

Knock him out tell him no