6 weeks farming..
#assassination
balmy condor
Idk if “farming” is the right word
You probably get all the gems by end of week 2 easily
Like even casual just doing content
If you farm you can probably get all the farmable gems in like 3-4 days I think
There’s only 12 gems total, I think like 5? Of them come from quests, 1 is timegated
So that leaves the other half to be drop/vendor/however they drop
Doesn’t seem that bad
Kill some rares open some chests
Can’t imagine it would be insano slow
limber lion
Sounds good to me
balmy condor
Yeah oddly enough I think the gem/ring acquisition is actually pretty fine
The time gating is weirdly arbitrary
And the gems and ring itself are stupid and lazy
But actually getting the stuff in your hands should be really straightforward from what it looks like
royal lantern
Yeah oddly enough I think the gem/ring acquisition is actually pretty fine
you hate the ring as a concept
all the weirdos here hate it cus they act as if its some korthia shard farm
its weird af
balmy condor
I mean yeah I think the gem design is really dumb and just boils down to “equip stat gems or a giga rng proc something or a proc damage”
Like I think the design is just inherently boring
And I think time gating it is very strange
And the biggest issue I have with it overall is that blizzard can’t tune this fucking thing for shit cause they forget they had a patch today
And had to panic push a bunch of changes on a Monday night
Instead of like
Just using ptr to tune
But the actual content is whatever imo
pulsar elk
havent played wow in awhile, to sim for m+ is it dslice?
balmy condor
havent played wow in awhile, to sim for m+ is it dslice?
Yes
balmy condor
is there a diff with mimiron and ptr=1
Yes
rotund oak
If you farm you can probably get all the farmable gems in like 3-4 days I think
thats ideal if it happens
balmy condor
Raidbots ptr=1 hasn’t been updated with latest cause Raidbots is on a freeze for patch
Mimiron isn’t on a freeze and gets update
Raidbots with ptr=1 might just throw an error honestly
Idk when it was last built with ptr data
midnight mist
hm
midnight mist
which is ptr
which mimiron
i was sent some sims that were done with ptr=1 that have giga numbers, but after simming on mimiron the numbers are disapointing
ye i guess numvers on live are just way too high for some reason
oh well
subtle tundra
wow so now keys will become even more so a survive fest
dps irrelevant play for surviving
ring is probablty busted on tank, right?
and healer, for dmg
runic hinge
Can you take tank gems?
midnight mist
bruh i swear every sim i did was a different number
im confused
no wae this is a real number
subtle tundra
youre a real number
balmy condor
Can you take tank gems?
you can
balmy condor
no wae this is a real number
crit vers spec
nice
collect green text you fucking monkey
good spec
balmy condor
yeah
subtle tundra
theres one that increases stamina
balmy condor
like you don't want to take tank gems
subtle tundra
tanks arent taking tank gems
dps might
balmy condor
but you could
subtle tundra
cause surviving
bronze pike
the tank gems suck worse than the tank gems of annulet
subtle tundra
if it makes me survive a 1 shot that would kill me
bronze pike
which is impressive btw
balmy condor
it won't
you would have to give up fathomdwellers for it
you're giving up like 1400 mast and 50 all secondary
probably more like 70 all secondary
so you're trading in like 1600-1700 stat
for 7k stam
subtle tundra
THIS MEANS NOTHING TO ME
bronze pike
its poop
balmy condor
it's trash
bronze pike
god tho
i can see equinox or kyasis
shill this shit
7k stam! BIS FOR TANKS
i can see it now
subtle tundra
i can see equinox or kyasis
who?
bronze pike
tank streamers
subtle tundra
tank busters just got nerfed so
balmy condor
like imagine you remove the secondaries from your boots and instead you get 30% extra stam on them
it's
midnight mist
<:kek:915029250854256641>
ok nvm, i got trolled by @obtuse robin , he put a wrong id on the ring
midnight mist
for some reason it works but just does infinite numbers
bronze pike
classic black
balmy condor
what
midnight mist
but i wasnt understanding why black sim was diff than mine
subtle tundra
really trash
yea bud im talking about keys where you die from 1 shots by unavoidable shit
balmy condor
oh
balmy condor
yea bud im talking about keys where you die from 1 shots by unavoidable shit
yes, and I'm telling you that you're taking like a 2% dps loss for a nothing gain of hp
subtle tundra
yea ofc
bronze pike
i thinkhes jokin?
lusty kraken
if you want to replace a gem is it destroyed in the process?
subtle tundra
but i was unaware it was so low hp...
subtle tundra
2% is not a lot ngl id give that up instantly if it was meaningful defensive
bronze pike
subtle tundra
sometimes we have too much dps and our cds dont come up when we need them
midnight mist
2% is not a lot ngl id give that up instantly if it was meaningful defensive
ring hjp is nothing no ?
subtle tundra
so slowing down isnt bad
bronze pike
ring hjp is nothing no ?
ring stam is less than nothing
midnight mist
sounds like not a lot
bronze pike
whispyr
balmy condor
2% is not a lot ngl id give that up instantly if it was meaningful defensive
it's around 160k hp
I just did the math
balmy condor
i think ring damage proc is reduced by 30% for tanks
wasn't it 60% reduced and then they broke it and then it was 0%
did they re-fix it
floral reef
just gem stamina
bronze pike
clown role specific abilities
bronze pike
wasn't it 60% reduced and then they broke it and then it was 0%
idk
i think they refixed it
balmy condor
just gem stamina
yeh, clown patch clown ring, and then gem stamina so you can be clown too and complete the clown triforce
bronze pike
i can ask topple
im saying last i check in ptr, it was 30% less if you went from havoc to veng
balmy condor
that might save me in some scenarios
brother there ain't no way
bronze pike
good patch
runic hinge
Down to clown meant something different back in my day
balmy condor
with just the ring you're at like 6.6mil hp
sharp viper
I love peeking in here and seeing ring talk
balmy condor
you're dying to something that overkills you by 2.5% of your hp?
bronze pike
need that 7k stam whispr
sharp viper
you're dying to something that overkills you by 2.5% of your hp?
Sometimes it do be like that
bronze pike
yoda said so
runic hinge
I love peeking in here and seeing ring talk
I’ll get you a ring
bronze pike
and hes the best prot pally in the world
balmy condor
Sometimes it do be like that
it basically is never like that
bronze pike
hes running stam
winged sun
I lived queen mythic from using vers flask
Was a noticeable difference i always died to small ticks at the end
Rare case tho
balmy condor
bronze pike
its really not
sharp viper
I lived queen mythic from using vers flask
Just have lucky alchemical chaos timings 
lusty kraken
it's funny seeing whispyr losing his mind
subtle tundra
you're dying to something that overkills you by 2.5% of your hp?
yea...
subtle tundra
I lived queen mythic from using vers flask
bro theres a 11% heal buff in raid
subtle tundra
queen got omega nerfed
sharp viper
Gotta gem stamina +vers
bronze pike
it would be silly to go for 7k stam
subtle tundra
not siege last boss, usually predictable shit is fine
bronze pike
for very niche and rare things
subtle tundra
its not predictable things
sharp viper
Siege last boss is shit design
winged sun
So u always die if u dont have proper hp
runic hinge
Siege is shit design
sharp viper
Siege is shit design
Yeah that as well
winged sun
Most old keys are like that yea
midnight mist
2-3% dr is alot cuh
i dont think vers flask is even that muhc
winged sun
i dont think vers flask is even that muhc
2%
subtle tundra
oh its 4% vers
balmy condor
you honestly did not
winged sun
well idk maybe its just a healing issue
subtle tundra
you dont notice it bud
balmy condor
no one is noticing 2%
subtle tundra
its healers getting comfortable
midnight mist
skill issue i would say
balmy condor
no one notices atrophic and that's nearly double that
winged sun
I was always getting to 1-7% hp
bronze pike
subtle tundra
I was always getting to 1-7% hp
cause shit healers
winged sun
On queen
bronze pike
sounds like poop healers
winged sun
Ye i guess
bronze pike
i am
runic hinge
Most old keys are like that yea
Bfa ain’t old
runic hinge
When you have grim batol in the same rotation
royal lantern
no one notices atrophic and that's nearly double that
stop entertaining the apes, they bring you down in their level and then beat you with experience
bronze pike
balmy condor
healers can't tell when rogues are using atrophic, and that's nearly 4%
and their entire gameplay
is fucking staring at health bars
subtle tundra
they played rogue in race to world first
before all the nerfs
at 625 ilvl
before all the biweekly buffs
balmy condor
what makes you think you'd notice
runic hinge
I mean I get it’s half your age but it’s not that old
royal lantern
Bfa ain’t old
older then 80% of the m+ andy playerbase
balmy condor
zeross I could choke you to death through my screen right now
subtle tundra
3% dr is noticeable in super high keys
nope
subtle tundra
i just default numbing
winged sun
Remember throne
winged sun
And all the other 30 keys we did
winged sun
On how healers died without atrophic
bronze pike
he simply notices thing
bronze pike
that normal people cannot
winged sun
No one could live 1st boss lightning
midnight mist
3% dr is noticeable in super high keys
idk about noticeable
winged sun
Without triple rogue
midnight mist
but i think its better than numbing
winged sun
Or something atleast
balmy condor
zeross atrophic stacks you ape
midnight mist
cause numbing does nothing
winged sun
Yes and even 1
bronze pike
thats a substancial amount
winged sun
I know its like 7%
bronze pike
thats a more noticeable number
balmy condor
zeross what time is it rn where you are
subtle tundra
dumbass time
bronze pike
its 1:25
winged sun
1 pm, i guess 3% dr affects this timing alot right
subtle tundra
i guess
winged sun
balmy condor
okay you're 12 hours ahead of me I will adjust my sleep schedule so I am not awake during your hours
thank you
winged sun
Well whispyr im talking about one shots
If dying and living out of 3% dr isnt noticeable
Idk what is
But let me explain how it looks like
midnight mist
you notice atro when you use not even close and it let you live at 1% hp without cd defs tho
subtle tundra
and you live comfortably
winged sun
for other people
Thats what im talking about lol
Atrophic was so good in DF cuz of the one shots we had
Lots of abilities were exactly same as everyone’s hp with full gear
floral reef
if something one shots you, you feint it
werent u gooning over 2% stam like 5 minute ago
winged sun
Well
floral reef
not really how bipolar disorder works but okay
novel star
okay you're 12 hours ahead of me I will adjust my sleep schedule so I am not awa...
incredibly fucking based
bronze pike
like theres no world where youd sac ring damage for
7k more hp
that is like such a stupid small number in a season thats being nerfed same patch btw
it wont save you in anything
unless there has been a fuck up so colossal that put you in a situation where 7k stam is useful
bronze pike
no but
winged sun
We did over 500 keys in DF
bronze pike
surely 7k stam would help those niche things
winged sun
Rare tho
left bloom
Quick question: If my deathstalker's mark is lost, and my vanish is on cd, am I fucked?
bronze pike
instead of ya know
novel star
Quick question: If my deathstalker's mark is lost, and my vanish is on cd, am I ...
yeah
bronze pike
going next
left bloom
damn
lusty kraken
Quick question: If my deathstalker's mark is lost, and my vanish is on cd, am I ...
pretty much
novel star
don’t lose it
left bloom
Yeah I'm bad
winged sun
But no 7k hp isn’t anything to chase after
left bloom
Maybe I'll just play outlaw
bronze pike
its silly
novel star
or play fb assa
bronze pike
but i know its gonna become such a convo point in tank spaces tomorrow
and im going to fucking hate it
left bloom
or play fb assa
Is it good?
left bloom
Ok ty
novel star
but rng
bronze pike
so im like mentally preparing myself for telling streamer followers that 7k wont make a difference in jeys
left bloom
better in single target worse in aoe
Say, how much worse?
novel star
don’t know the number tbh 
floral reef
Say, how much worse?
think u might aswell just play and learn to not lose your mark?
left bloom
think u might aswell just play and learn to not lose your mark?
Nah I'm bad
skill issue
floral reef
where do u lose ur mark
left bloom
Ye ngl I just maxed my rogue and been doing crappy stuff but I'll just l2p I guess
subtle tundra
cause i used darkest night as the mob was dying
left bloom
Yeah I literally lost it on Ansurek like 3 mins ago aswell lmao
subtle tundra
i dont mean on the shield
thats a misplay
you played bad
i mean cause darkest night bugged
and dissapeared into nothingness
left bloom
Well it's called darkest night for a reason
lusty kraken
should have played sub
subtle tundra
ive lost it like that in m+ aswell
and no im not stopping dps
or swap targets
if the mob needs to die i hit it
you know that happens when i start meowing
novel star
i thought they fixed the dn execute bug
subtle tundra
nuh uh
novel star
unlucky game is shit lol
subtle tundra
still get it once or twice a day
midnight mist
noob
subtle tundra
zac?
midnight mist
ya
left bloom
Ok last question: As a newly maxed rogue, do you guys think I should lay the foundation with outlaw, deathstalker ass or fb ass?
subtle tundra
nothing just wanted to make sure your brains still there. unlucky
novel star
Ok last question: As a newly maxed rogue, do you guys think I should lay the fou...
whatever you have fun with
subtle tundra
Ok last question: As a newly maxed rogue, do you guys think I should lay the fou...
they are all vastly different
they have nothing in common gameplay wise
left bloom
Well idk it's not really cash money to lose the mark 😦
floral reef
Ok last question: As a newly maxed rogue, do you guys think I should lay the fou...
i think if u have barely played and already decided deathstalker is too hard idk
it isnt really that hard
its ok to fuck up
left bloom
its ok to fuck up
Ye can you tell my parents that
novel star
if you want to play assa you could start with fatebound just to get the fundamentals but ds isn’t really very complicated yea
clever sapphire
its ok to fuck up
ye what shi said, we will only judge you a bit
royal lantern
ye what shi said, we will only judge you a bit
clever sapphire
Ok ok I'll just gitgud with ds
but ye i much rather gitgud with DS than rely on fatebound coinflipping luck
agile wedge
but ye i much rather gitgud with DS than rely on fatebound coinflipping luck
i play fb a lot and it is actually not super rnd
ofc you are in a certain range, but if you just dont like ds, its an realistic option on most bosses
clever sapphire
dunno, im already dealing with kingsbane crits in ST, blindside procs in raid, fok crits in aoe
i dont want another thing to rely on
tried it a few times
half the time i didnt get the 7% agi buff until the last 20 sec of a fight
that was enough for me to not touch it
cerulean nest
dunno, im already dealing with kingsbane crits in ST, blindside procs in raid, f...
blindside is the only one of these that requires thinking though
other two things don’t change what you’re doing
subtle tundra
it doesnt change shit
cerulean nest
oh wait yeah i’ve always had two binds pre the change so I never changed
clever sapphire
other two things don’t change what you’re doing
ye, but it all changes my dmg and i have 0 impact on it
cerulean nest
so zero thinking
clever sapphire
cerulean nest
welcome to rogue
balmy condor
guys thoughts on new thumbnail
bronze pike
guys thoughts on new thumbnail
Needs more dentge
clever sapphire
can i just sell the ring for a myth track skardyns?
novel star
u wish
rotund oak
can i just sell the ring for a myth track skardyns?
ive reached about 100 key in total,half are prolly GBs and SoBs
got yday my spyglass
surely skadryns in my vault
ripe carbon
same
rotund oak
my rogue is 634 and i can only craft a wpn and get to myth track trinkets and replace neck/back with myth track
its like very specific loot
almost on the same lvl as my mage atm
normal mist
guys thoughts on new thumbnail
clever sapphire
almost on the same lvl as my mage atm
any time i wanna play alts, i realise i can only get to 626 at max because of vault loot luck
balmy condor
it really is tomorrow huh
you can tell a patch is coming because blizzard will push out emergency hotfixes to the content at 4pm on a monday
clever sapphire
and i lose all interest
snow kindle
That’s probably how my guilds casters feel
7 court kills NO one has gotten spymaster
normal mist
and i lose all interest
That's why I'm 628 and haven't played since
rotund oak
any time i wanna play alts, i realise i can only get to 626 at max because of va...
its actually ironic but my mage has everything,only myth track trinkets from raid missing,all m+ and crafts are rdy like 3 weeks now
my rogue is just there to have the worse vaults in wow history
literally trash
clever sapphire
That's why I'm 628 and haven't played since
im considering just crafting the shoes in after the crest nerf thingy
one of my officer buddies said that i should just craft, he will even buy the mats for me because im a cheap biatch
clever sapphire
literally trash
im calling myth track skardyns in my last vault of the season
novel star
you can tell a patch is coming because blizzard will push out emergency hotfixes...
absolute cinema
cant wait for more buffs in the coming weeks
rotund oak
im calling myth track skardyns in my last vault of the season
its basicly the way the game has to lift the middle finger..
like u wont even need it,its actually insulting
clever sapphire
its not about the treasure, its about the journey
or something like that
i dont know, i just want the treasure
rotund oak
u wanna have the treasure but party with it
else there is no meaning
thats the reason behind the bad luck vendor
u eventually get it and have some value out of it
still stirrup
But if everyone was able to obtain the loot they were after in a reasonable time then something bad might happen
Like enjoying ourselves
silver pine
does serrated bone spike trigger multiple times on single target and its value is only on multi target?
balmy condor
it does instant damage
the dot doesn't stack
but the dot is also the least of its value so it's chill
the value is from the lethal dose stack + the instant damage
silver pine
alright thanks
storm hedge
So I know we hate double vanish here. But what if we're taking it as a way to carry our friend who don't press kick once and couldn't complete 10s any other way, even though it's a big dps loss? Is that forgivable?
balmy condor
double vanish gud
balmy condor
which means that all the streamer now say double vanish bad
cause whatever I say but the opposite
bronze pike
Legit?
balmy condor
yepga
bronze pike
That’s fucking stupid
subtle tundra
cause whatever I say but the opposite
meow meow meow meow ?
balmy condor
That’s fucking stupid
yeh like double vanish was 7% loss before 0.5, and they all took it cause need iron wire value and need stealth for chain and damage and spread bleed and you don't get it whispyr
and then 0.5 patch subterfuge giga buff and master assassin giga buff
subtle tundra
woof meow der Selbstmord meow meow woof
balmy condor
and then it was "oh but I don't want to vanish for damage, vanishing for damage sucks cause I could iron wire instead so no master assassin bad"
and then that morphed into "we have prot pala why would I play iron wire"
subtle tundra
iron wire my goat...
balmy condor
and then that morphed into "I don't have iron wire why would I play double vanish"
bronze pike
subtle tundra
why is iron wire competing with dps talents, do other classes get utility at the cost of dps
bronze pike
I hate streamers
royal lantern
why is iron wire competing with dps talents, do other classes get utility at the...
yes.....?
bronze pike
I have to get blinding light at the cost of some dps
bronze pike
Fuck mage
subtle tundra
i play ret and ww but i have yet to read their talents
balmy condor
and so now we're dropping sudden demise (a good dps talent in all situations) for twis the knife (a good dps talent in all situations) because it's "execute bait fake dps" (sims don't sim the execute), and then we're dropping iron wire for sanguine blades (a 0dps talent in single target), and then we come to ravenholdt and bitch about single target damage
and that's where we're at now
storm hedge
I like iron wire. Makes me carry low players while not having to really do anything
balmy condor
can't wait for the next evolution of "well actually whispyr total overall dps is the only thing that matters for timing keys"
into "well actually the DR from iron wire is the only thing that matters for timing keys"
subtle tundra
and so now we're dropping sudden demise (a good dps talent in all situations) fo...
yea but sanguine blades is 6% overall, look at meters
sudden demise is 1%, look at meters
royal lantern
can't wait for the next evolution of "well actually whispyr total overall dps is...
wait, i thought "actuall, boss dps is the only thing that matters" comes next?
balmy condor
into "well actually the single target boss damage is the only thing that matters for timing keys"
subtle tundra
dumbass
royal lantern
or are we allready there?
limber lion
Yeah just circling back to "overall damage doesn't matter at all, it's all about cc/utility "
balmy condor
AND ROUND AND ROUND AND ROUND AND ROUND WE GO
limber lion
If you're not using vanish to cheap shot mobs, you're doing it wrong
subtle tundra
Yeah just circling back to "overall damage doesn't matter at all, it's all about...
circle these?
balmy condor
m+ community is more oroboros than the actual fucking snake
storm hedge
Yeah just circling back to "overall damage doesn't matter at all, it's all about...
this is where I am at atm. But I'm not pushing high keys.
subtle tundra
m+ community is more oroboros than the actual fucking snake
i have 17 stonevault again...
i think we are at like 20 17 stonevaults
not even exagerrating
bronze pike
I have a 8 grim butthole
midnight mist
noob
subtle tundra
zac
limber lion
l2p issue I guess
subtle tundra
you are a little
limber lion
unlucky
storm hedge
17 is like 4 levels above my paygrade holy f dude
bronze pike
Imagine playing keys higher than 10
midnight mist
im getting r1 draenor back
bronze pike
I don’t hate myself that much
subtle tundra
today is my last push day
midnight mist
gg ez for me
subtle tundra
of the year
bronze pike
Christmas vacay?
bronze pike
@balmy condor
midnight mist
iron wire is for noobs
royal lantern
iron wire is for noobs
play it then you dumbass
midnight mist
just kick or?
royal lantern
bronze pike
I am compelled to raise his blood pressure
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682>
what
balmy condor
yeah I'm numb idc anymore
bronze pike
Or cringe
subtle tundra
do you know mobs chain cast and have important kicks aswell and theres like 5 casters
royal lantern
im in vacation next week
going somewhere?
subtle tundra
yea in keys
storm hedge
keysmas?
bronze pike
I can’t believe vdh led to m+ mobs recasting after aoe stops
midnight mist
What mountain
subtle tundra
in the real life zaccy
midnight mist
There is no dungeon on a mountain this tier
subtle tundra
experience snow
royal lantern
There is no dungeon on a mountain this tier
grim batol is inside Mountain
midnight mist
hm
subtle tundra
so true
midnight mist
true true
subtle tundra
but zac fr
dont overtake me in rio
i have a fan...
he said good things about me
(he came here after i told him to and started arguing with people)
classic rogue
clever sapphire
@balmy condor love the circus song intro
clever sapphire
slowly going insane with the ring
novel star
time to like and comment and subscribe and share to my friends because i love wow so much and rogue is awesome
midnight mist
(he came here after i told him to and started arguing with people)
nice
golden loom
the snapshotting sounds troll as fuck 
midnight mist
am i right that htat lgendary gem can proc tank effects and hsit @balmy condor
or is it just the gems you have equipped
which
well thats not what the tooltip says so i assume not
balmy condor
am i right that htat lgendary gem can proc tank effects and hsit <@1670905366021...
yes
any gem
can't proc itself obviously
so it has a 1/11 to proc any of the other gems
including the proc 4 nearby ally gem
which is 1 rppm
cause it's really strong
but the legendary gem is 4 rppm
so you have a 4/11 to proc the 4 nearby ally gem every minute
so you just get the bonkers gem at 36% uptime
- the natural gem proccing
it's dumb
storm hedge
How does the 4 nearby ally gem work? Do you get buffs from gems other people are wearing? Or do you give buffs to them?
balmy condor
it procs the thunder gem
which is all stat
so it procs, and 4 nearby people will get 15 seconds of all stat
storm hedge
So you don't even need to get lucky yourself. Just have 4 other people around you get lucky and you do big dam
balmy condor
well, as long as that's the one they equip
whcih they should
cause it's good one
marble hemlock
imagine your partner proposing to you, and the engagement ring is this abomination
balmy condor
So you don't even need to get lucky yourself. Just have 4 other people around yo...
well you get lucky by having the legendary gem hit the 1/11 to hit the nearby ally effect
like think of the legendary gem as a 4 rppm "turn into any other gem"
so it could turn into this
and then proc the nearby ally effect
and then the next time it might turn into this one and do nothing
storm hedge
Well yea but that gives dps increase to my enemies I mean allies
balmy condor
well yes but the idea is that they're also running the legendary gem
which then also has a 1/11
to then buff you
storm hedge
So ideally I get all of the increases for my stats and they get the ally gem one
Cause I'm selfish
balmy condor
well yes but actually no
because the legendary one is already competitive to the best alternative in that slot
without this 1/11 chance to giga proc
just because it can proc other gems at 150% value
midnight mist
but
balmy condor
so even without the aug gem it's essentially bis
storm hedge
But yea got the concept. In the best case scenario everyone procs the ally gem and that is so giga bis and everyone does like bazilion damage
midnight mist
thats like the worse designed shit ever or what
midnight mist
even df gems werent as cringe
midnight mist
interersting
balmy condor
but worse in nearly every imaginable way
it's a smaller island
with more timegating
and a more cringe ring
that has more bugs
and more jank
balmy condor
well yes but no
it is indeed an old island from bfa island expeditions
but it was unused
so it's technically old
but also new
storm hedge
didn't even know that
balmy condor
yeah
blizzard did nothing but copy paste this patch
and the sum of the parts is somehow even worse than the individual parts themselves
it's frankly incredible
novel star
damn they were talking so much about the island in the trailer or whatever wtf
no way it was copypasta
oblique wasp
Guys let's not dwell in pessimism. We will check the new island, shank'n'crank some dudes there, get finger and some gems, and return to our usual business.
balmy condor
yeah our usual business of playing anything else
balmy condor
because I would rather eat glass than do that shit
clever sapphire
m+ is great !
it probably is with a group or with a high enough rio
balmy condor
If i wanted to smash my head into the same brick wall over and over again i would just do court with my guild for another 300 pulls
midnight mist
its raid but you ha ve more responsabilities
novel star
yeah our usual business of playing anything else
path of exile 2 demon mommy with big wings
and boobs
and fire spells
peak
royal lantern
m+ is great !
yeha
no
royal lantern
m+ was great 5years ago
subtle tundra
Poe2 is bad
woah!
clever sapphire
its not much different than raid for me
well i still didnt find a group that lasted more than a week, and i cant get into 13s so im stuck with all 12s (and im not pushing my own key, i cant be bothered)
royal lantern
before they made m+ a "competitive game mode/pillar of the game" and decided that everything fun about it is not allowed anymore
balmy condor
Top 3 Arpg right now is poe1 after you drag yourself through campaign for the 25th time, Diablo 4, lost ark, and then after those it’s poe2
I’m based
royal lantern
death threats incomming
novel star
lost ark doesn’t count
- you have korean mmo derangement syndrome
that upgrade system was designed by adolf
personally
and EVERY kmmo has it
balmy condor
death threats incomming
“D4 bad” crowd after not playing it or watching anyone play it or paying attention to the loot changes for the last 2 years
balmy condor
I have hope for poe2 but they gotta cook hard
novel star
they’re already adding shit to the skill tree like what week 2 or something of ea
and it doesn’t come out for a year
game will be fine
midnight mist
before they made m+ a "competitive game mode/pillar of the game" and decided tha...
what i dont get is, how is m+ so different than raid for you guys
vapid skiff
because its like pugging raid for most people
vapid skiff
and people hate pugging raid for same reason
balmy condor
Cause rn shit feels like my character is stuck in molasses, dodge roll is pretty sluggish, and the gem restrictions are so insanely dumb it’s unreal
midnight mist
and people hate pugging raid for same reason
sure but tbf
vapid skiff
people compare team raid with pug m+ so ofc its gonna be way worse, if people played m+ witha team they likely wouldn't hate it like they do
vapid skiff
if you happen to have friends that are similar lvl ye
marble hemlock
If i wanted to smash my head into the same brick wall over and over again i woul...
theres always reclear once you killed ansurek
novel star
people compare team raid with pug m+ so ofc its gonna be way worse, if people pl...
have played m+ in a set group and still think it’s a bit shit idk 
not for me
vapid skiff
honestly idk how easy it would be to find an m+ team like you would a guild tho
maybe its way harder too
subtle tundra
theres always reclear once you killed ansurek
my guild is close to killing ansurek 3x a week...
royal lantern
“D4 bad” crowd after not playing it or watching anyone play it or paying attenti...
i just dont like that poe has such a annoying fanbase that always must tell you how great poe is and how much they hate diablo
subtle tundra
we are doing 2x 8 bosses and 1x 6
marble hemlock
my guild is close to killing ansurek 3x a week...
thanks for sharing
royal lantern
like jfc i got it 8years ago, shut up allready lmao
subtle tundra
seli go back to #1113808016773480489
marble hemlock
novel star
this varas guy always bragging
marble hemlock
ye
midnight mist
vara
marble hemlock
love this guy
midnight mist
what guild you in
marble hemlock
but also
novel star
insane
royal lantern
this varas guy always bragging
andnim bagging him
marble hemlock
hate this guy
vapid skiff
I get tired of pugging m+ pretty quickly but this season ive been playing with almost full team and never had so much fun in m+, also helps that the fucking affixes are finally gone and specs i like are good but still main reason being consistent teammates i enjoy playing with
marble hemlock
ITS NOT A BRAG IF ITS A BAD THING
its like bragging about having too big a penis
novel star
nah ur braggin bro it’s chill tho.
subtle tundra
ok yea
novel star
its like bragging about having too big a penis
Me
subtle tundra
true
storm hedge
Tbh I also think poe2 is not in a good spot atm. It's also early access and I have faith in the GGG devs unlike certain other devs
vapid skiff
first season I ever pushed past weekly vault range
balmy condor
game will be fine
My issue is you’re telling me my skills need a drop-only resource to unlock, then I need the same resource to level them, then I need to get a different drop only resource to get the support gems, and then get a third resource to unlock more support gem slots for the skill, which are limited and then after all that I have a character limit on support gems by color based on my attribute and then I HAVE ANOTHER LIMIT because I can’t use the same support gem twice on my character
Which kiwi at GGG decided to limit support gems 25 different ways what the fuck are they on
subtle tundra
im just goated like that i can play 3 diff specs at the highest level
(queen ansurek is actually such a joke)
novel star
My issue is you’re telling me my skills need a drop-only resource to unlock, the...
Tbh the uncut gems you just end up with 5 million of before ur even done with campaign but
no duplicate supports is cringe
for sure
subtle tundra
you know its not an american game, UNCUT gems
balmy condor
Because they can’t just have you not having gems
So they just gotta flood you with them
At which point why the fuck do we even have it
novel star
Valorstones.
balmy condor
It’s not even friction though
subtle tundra
what the frick
marble hemlock
am i gonna need 40+ inventory slots for this patch again?
balmy condor
am i gonna need 40+ inventory slots for this patch again?
12
marble hemlock
thats the same number
balmy condor
True
novel star
yeh it’s really not friction idk i never noticed not having uncut gems other than like two times ever and the issue wasn’t even not having them it was just not having the high enough level one cause i was slacking in earlygame
balmy condor
Yes
Have you not seen the newest YouTube.com/whispyr video
I don’t actually think I own that link
marble hemlock
holy fuck this borgir i ordered is so big, i cant fit it in my mouth
marble hemlock
now i know what it felt like for @spice spire 's dad
balmy condor
royal lantern
what i dont get is, how is m+ so different than raid for you guys
raids actually have interesting encounters, m+ boss fights really make it obvious that its just normal dungeon bosses with 280% more dmg which means "use a deffensive or die in 1hit lol" while at the same time nothing else is really going on
you can actually play your favorite class in raids cus you want all 14classes anyway 1x, not this shity "if you wanna push and your class/spec is not the current FotM meta, you are allready kinda screwed"
and the fact that i have to go trought that mode all the time for gear cus blizz decided that 80% of PvE gear progression for most players is m+, and after years of having to do it all the time im just annoyed by it
and lets not bring up m+ andys, legit the dumbest fucks in the game, even the 3 remaining PvP players are more mentally stable and reasonable then m+ andys
novel star
I don’t actually think I own that link
it’s whispyr and then a bunch of fuckin numbers i think
holy paragraph
i’m killing my self
balmy condor
raids actually have interesting encounters, m+ boss fights really make it obviou...
Haha words haha laughing will not read funny joke
subtle tundra
raids actually have interesting encounters, m+ boss fights really make it obviou...
i love 4-5 minute boss fights ! ! ! ! !
5 minute skarmorak
! ! ! ! ! ! !
royal lantern
Haha words haha laughing will not read funny joke
zac asked a question, i gave an answer
suck my dick
balmy condor
I know
royal lantern
❤️
balmy condor
Its sarcasm
Cause every time I do it
It’s the same shit
FLASHBANG WALL OF TEXT
very original funny joke
midnight mist
raids actually have interesting encounters, m+ boss fights really make it obviou...
idk in the end m+ mechs are also varied like in raid, its just a bit more spread out, we have raid bosses that are way more boring than m+ bosses even
also dpsing in m+ is fun
and wow is about dpsing
subtle tundra
very boring
midnight mist
aslo i have been playing rogue every season
even when its not good
not playing your class cause its not good enough is just skill issue no cap
novel star
very original funny joke
storm hedge
When did Forced Induction become better then Lethality? Or was it always and I'm just bad at following the changes?
novel star
they’re like the same i think
midnight mist
and this idk, more gear come from raid?
novel star
oh wait fi nvm
midnight mist
i will never understand the argument of raid players being forcfed to m+
novel star
idk since lethality got nerfed ig
midnight mist
when the opposite is 10x worse
balmy condor
Yes
balmy condor
When did Forced Induction become better then Lethality? Or was it always and I'm...
10.0.5
balmy condor
But they’re basically equal
golden loom
forced induction is also more dopamine from fat envenom crits
novel star
going by what everyone is playing isn’t really like that helpful to actually understanding changes anyway
royal lantern
and this idk, more gear come from raid?
no it doesnt unlese you play in the really high WR
royal lantern
like zac
novel star
royal lantern
no
just no lol
for the normal mythic raider, mythic raids drop jack shit
cus most of the tier is re-clearing the same 3-4 bosses into progress save
you have a REALLY skewed perception cus you play in a higher rank that pushes deeper fast and reclears the later bosses more often until progress lock
most guys killed ovi and princess 1x
clever sapphire
most guys killed ovi and princess 1x
hey, im that most guys
vague sun
I remember raiding more casually and being stuck on sylvanas prog extending for 3 months 
no raid loot
royal lantern
^
clever sapphire
i guess we do kill the first 4 bosses weekly because we get past them in like 1 hour
royal lantern
raids are Horrible with loot for 99% of the Playerbase
clever sapphire
but those bosses drop garbage loot
royal lantern
you get 2-3 items from the first 2-3 bosses and then it kinda stops
loud hearth
for the normal mythic raider, mythic raids drop jack shit
Yep, we're about to kill Ansurek this week and I have 2 pieces from Mythic raid.
Tier gloves and Ulgrax belt.
novel star
loud hearth
72 hours of raiding for 2 pieces of gear. Sick. 
royal lantern
0 of my RAID TIER PIECES are raid drops btw
golden loom
just get the drop lol
distant helm
I know whispyr might cut my head for mentioning the ring but does the ring have a big variance in terms of dps like the onyx had at the start?
royal lantern
Yep, we're about to kill Ansurek this week and I have 2 pieces from Mythic raid....
started ansurek prog last week
3 Raid pieces equiped, a Dagger, Ovi Ring and boots from Sikran
rest is all m+ stuff
full mythic gear except my queen ring btw
raid drops all the loot btw
loud hearth
started ansurek prog last week
3 Raid pieces equiped, a Dagger, Ovi Ring and bo...
Holy hell, you got showered in loot 
50% more loot than me
balmy condor
I know whispyr might cut my head for mentioning the ring but does the ring have ...
Yes but no
The legendary gem that rando procs gems is pretty rng
But you’re playing assa rogue so it’s not gonna make a difference
And everyone else is also playing that shit
And you’re all sometimes proccing each others gems
And so everyone is unhappy
agile wedge
is rogue special in terms of rng and dmg output? are other classes more static?
balmy condor
Depends on the patch
Assa rogue last patch was one of the most rng specs in the game
Now it’s middle of the pack
Unless you play fatebound, then it’s one of the most rng again
clever sapphire
so you are telling me, if i wanna argue about bad luck when i have a bad log, i just have to play fatebound
balmy condor
Sure I guess
balmy condor
I mean any spec in the game could do that regardless
golden loom
then every good log ever is also insane rng
balmy condor
Wow is inherently a very rng game
clever sapphire
then every good log ever is also insane rng
nono, i just played like a god
balmy condor
Like if you open the top 25 logs on a fight
I guarantee you that 20 of them are making just glaring mistakes
But you high roll, get a good kill time, have insane gear, greed like a mfer, and pad out of your mind
And gg
past marten
Or you pay groups to let you pad
balmy condor
Yes that’s what I said
past marten
It is for sure
balmy condor
Have you opened Chinese logs
Lorrgs on mythic silken court have been polluted by Chinese sales runs since like week 5
There was one guy who did like 12 sales in a day when there were only 35-50 kills total or something
And it just wrecked the entire leaderboard
midnight mist
no it doesnt unlese you play in the really high WR
What's really high wr for you, cause the only useful m+ gear is vault gear right, we agree with this, vault which in the end is the same as raid vault except in raid you also get items while running the raid, and then most often the rare items or proc items or whatever comes from raid, so if you want to do m+ you need these items, while the opposite isn't really true, you can be full raid geared but not full m+ geared that's not possible,
And again the time commitment you need to invest in raid to get that gear is infinitly more than just doing a few weeklies if you want a m+ vault
golden loom
I mean you can just pug raid for vault slots (even get drops)
gearing in this game is hilariously fast
royal lantern
What's really high wr for you, cause the only useful m+ gear is vault gear right...
sorry but
do you even read, or just stop after 10words lol
i literally explained it
what drops? the same 3items on repeat cus the only bosses you can "farm" a couple times are the first 3-4?
crystal glen
If you really hate 80% of the gearing, then why play? Reclear Hc with either guild or pug for raid drops and gear through that? M+ is only 1 piece of good loot a week anyway?
golden loom
idk all these are from raid/raid vault slot
royal lantern
zac, the normal mythic raid experience is "spam m+ for full heroic gear, spam m+ for vault slots, do heroic raid a couple times until you fully commit into mythic, and at that point you are close to saved progress and it all stops"
midnight mist
Idk
Also idk how you can say
That the first 4 are useless gear
When 90% of our slots can be first 4
Legit
royal lantern
how many times did you kill them until prog save?
golden loom
idk all these are from raid/raid vault slot
( 11 of first 2, 7 sikrans and 3 rashanan)
midnight mist
how many times did you kill them until prog save?
Actually I didn't prog this tier
royal lantern
cus for me it was 3x
midnight mist
But I'm not in a level where we extend anymore I think
We just kill bosses or smth
royal lantern
that was 3x 4items for 20players on those bosses lol
midnight mist
Well that's more than 0 from m+
midnight mist
Same as raid ?
royal lantern
unless luck is REALLY bad and its a early dead vault slot
ashen totem
idk, hes right tbh. still bad move on the unmute tho
midnight mist
You were tired of talking with idiots only
I'm here now tryan tho
Np
Not sure why I'm getting flamed for how I view raid vs m+ time commitment tho
earnest remnant
Not sure why I'm getting flamed for how I view raid vs m+ time commitment tho
if you wanna rile him up more, just mention how i view mythic raiding
love you tryan xoxo
royal lantern
if you wanna rile him up more, just mention how i view mythic raiding
hey, i respect you
icy comet
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
winged sun
That the first 4 are useless gear
also all tier sets cant be counted
i got 4 set all 639 from vault
m+
this entire gear is from first 4
or i have a better one, no items from raid
golden loom
isnt helm from 2nd boss
midnight mist
Boes are from raid zero
subtle tundra
i killed mythic ansurek with a whole 2 pieces of gear from raid
legs and dagger
nice gear system
midnight mist
Skill issue