assassination

[subtle tundra]

theres 2

adds

in every wave

and the point is to silence them so they walk in

but aight

if youre gonna pug youre not gonna have a perfect prot pala silencing himself both adds

[solar wyvern]

Yeah ik I'm just an IW hater. Its definitely pugcomp dependant.

[subtle tundra]

i dont play iron wire cause i do keys at a level where time is relevant

if i did 15s i wouldnt swap talents

[solar wyvern]

True! You'd just swap to clases instead (for legal reasons this is a joke)

[humble verge]

would you guys consider it trolling if i swap IW for SB without an aug in my key

[arctic socket]

Dropping iw anytime in a pug is troll

Unless you’re in a confident set team don’t drop iw 👍

[mighty vine]

For m silken court, do yall just send mark on whatever boss you're assigned to or are you bouncing mark around? God I hate mark

[arctic socket]

Are you talking about deathmark or deathstalker mark?

[mighty vine]

deathstalker

[arctic socket]

For that boss I think it’s actually better to play fatebound

[golden loom]

sounds like it would save you a lot of mental capacity atleast

[arctic socket]

Ideally you want to have mark up on the boss during amp phase, then keep it up on the boss you’re assigned too

Or don’t worry about mark management and play fatebound

[mighty vine]

Theres only 11 parses total of people playing Fatebound on that fight

[solar wyvern]

Thats 11 more than I expected to see

[golden loom]

that doesnt mean its bad though

[solar wyvern]

Ofc not just hella inconsistent

[sullen hearth]

hmm

[solid quartz]

Does the sim for Ovinax's Mercurial Egg just assume you have 30 stacks of main stats and that is why it sims so high?

[spice spire]

It juggles between 20 stacks iirc

[solid quartz]

ok, good to know thanks

[spice spire]

[sudden glen]

do you guys bind skardyn's grace to deathmark ?

[runic hinge]

Yes

[sudden glen]

with kingsbane or not

just making sure

[golden loom]

to deathmark, as they are both 2 min cds they line up perfectly

[humble verge]

i usually press them both right after eachothers

milliseconds

though i should probably macro

with Blood Fury

[golden loom]

no reason not to

[humble verge]

true

i am just stupid

manually pressing everything

!shiv

[sudden glen]

i feel ya

[humble verge]

whatte

[golden loom]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[humble verge]

oh yea tea

but

how do i cast 2 stuff after

do i just
DM
Skardyn
Blood Fury?

[sudden glen]

wouldnt skardyn be first ?

[humble verge]

idk

[sudden glen]

mastery inscreased our poisons dmg

[golden loom]

just put bloodfury and potion before deathmark

[humble verge]

need to test

ah ok

but like

would i do /use Blood Fury or "racial" something

[golden loom]

name of the spell ye

[keen spruce]

I think it’s /cast blood fury

[golden loom]

this is my deathmark as I am human, has all the id's for different ranks of tempered potion

[humble verge]

it looks like its cast blood fury

according to twitter

[humble verge]

ok blud

is the middle one r2?

D

xD

[keen spruce]

I don’t macro in pot in case you need to delay a pot or use it outside of cds for some reason

[humble verge]

huh

why would you do that

D:

[keen spruce]

It’s not common

[golden loom]

yeah I did some parse runs so I have rank 3 at the top so that it uses that while having rank 2s in bag

[humble verge]

ahhh

[keen spruce]

Normally for m+ stuff

[golden loom]

sounds like a very very niche M+ scenario but idk sounds aids

[keen spruce]

Or just slamming a pot at the end of a fight

[humble verge]

ah ok

it worked

poggies

[keen spruce]

But ig you could just press dm even when it’s on cd

[humble verge]

now i can remove like

well hm

i can remove skardyn and fury from my bars but

[keen spruce]

Yeah really no reason to have those bound

[humble verge]

tryna figure out what i can bind over there tho

hm

maybe actually

[keen spruce]

Any non-gcd 2min thing that’s getting slammed with DM

[humble verge]

1 could be kidney

[keen spruce]

i just have Swiss cheese bars now

[humble verge]

lol

[keen spruce]

Or I start putting in focus stuff

[golden loom]

my bars are still fucked after removal of echoing and slice and dice

[keen spruce]

Or like one bind for non-tea shiv and one with the macro

[humble verge]

honestly

i could probably also just remove tea

from my bars too

lol

[keen spruce]

Focus kidney focus kick

Focus blind for some reason

[golden loom]

had those on 1 and 2 but now I have feint and healthstone there, feels like a waste for good binds but I am so used to all my current binds that I cba changing

[keen spruce]

Just anything to fill up the slots haha

[humble verge]

wonky bars

kidney was skardyn, blind was fury

[keen spruce]

I changed my SnD keybind to setfocus

[mighty vine]

just hide your bars and not worry about it

[keen spruce]

I think I just started duplicating abilities too

To fill in gaps

[golden loom]

lol

[keen spruce]

The only key one we ave the same is mutilate

[golden loom]

idk I have played with a weakaura package my entire time playing retail and I still look at my bars when checking cooldowns on DM/KB

[keen spruce]

Keybind*

Maybe tempest?

I actually can’t remember wtf my tempest keybind is

[keen spruce]

Same

[runic hinge]

Shift f

[keen spruce]

I think shift f is fan

[mighty vine]

if you open your spellbook and hover over it it'll glow on your bar

[keen spruce]

Well sure but I’m sitting at a dinner having breakfast

Diner

[humble verge]

whattefuck is this

[humble verge]

classic bars D:

[keen spruce]

Chicken and biscuits

[humble verge]

chicken huh

[golden loom]

started playing in january with classic and played until august and didnt see the point in elvui and now I am too used to default interface to be able to switch

[runic hinge]

Get me a bloody

[keen spruce]

I got rid of elv in DF

[keen spruce]

I didn’t even order booze cuz I’m here by myself

But I might get a mimosa after I finish my coffee

Or a screwdriver lol

[pure moth]

isnt it to early for that?

[keen spruce]

Yes

[runic hinge]

Get an espresso martini

[keen spruce]

They do have one on the menu but it looked a little foofy

[golden loom]

like only thing I would like about elvui is the healthbars but otherwise I like my setup

[runic hinge]

Probably tasty as hell

[keen spruce]

Espresso martinis are just the four locos of employed and aging millennials

[pure moth]

you really made ur micro bar... micro

[golden loom]

whats a micro bar

[pure moth]

bottom bar on the right

[golden loom]

ohh

yeah fuck that shit

[strange python]

Espresso Martini bangs

[keen spruce]

so did 4locos

I went with a mimosa

Felt too alcoholic to get a 10am screwdriver alone at a brunch spot

[strange python]

Mimosas bang too

[strange python]

Its on the menu for a reason

Just go for it brother

[keen spruce]

Screwdriver not on the menu

[strange python]

Damn

Boring place

10am zombie hits different too

[keen spruce]

It’s not really a menu thing

That’s like having a jack and coke on the menu

[strange python]

Whats wrong with that

[runic hinge]

You did what in the coke?

[strange python]

Oh no

Don’t do that shmeeps…

[keen spruce]

I mean like it’s kind of implied at anywhere with a full bar

Not gonna put every combination of alcohol + mixer on a menu

[strange python]

No but also

Idk what a screwdriver is

European bozo here

[keen spruce]

Oh it’s just a mimosa

But swap for vodka

[strange python]

Oh I seeeee

[keen spruce]

I burned the roof of my mouth on a tater tot

[pearl mauve]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[spice spire]

Skill issue

[rotund oak]

call the police

[slim hamlet]

Newest pin kinda makes me doubt the whole "recovered mental" of Whispyr

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-cute-pamper-spa-gif-3495938811408432971

[humble verge]

well

now i can try SB > IW

cause i asked :D

in a 14db

[gloomy heart]

is there a way for the sim to tell you what stats ur lacking ?

[coral ibex]

what do you mean by that

[gloomy heart]

If i’m on mage for example, is there no way to sim and it tells
me i need more of this stat etc

Or i just have to sim whatever i get

[coral ibex]

who gives a fuck about mage bro ngl 😩

ask the mage cord

probably just use droptimizer and top gear

[gloomy heart]

LOL

one day ppl will like
mages 😦

[cerulean walrus]

This dude thinks people will ever like mages

[gloomy heart]

you will be forced to play with them one day

[left radish]

Hello. Why is Authority of the Depths for raids and Authority of Radiant Power for m+?

[coral ibex]

because one does damage to one target and the other can hit multiple targets

[royal lantern]

mate

we had our mage say after 20 pulls on queen "i need help with root, who told you blink breaks roots?????"

they play a class that has 100000 utility and deffensive abilitys on everything, and dont even know what their own abilitys do in the first place

actual monkeys

[gloomy heart]

LOL

[coral ibex]

xddddd

[gloomy heart]

i do play regular blink on queen

[left radish]

Don't both enchants say "target" - singular, not plural? Or am I missreading something?

[coral ibex]

you are misreading

[left radish]

No wait, Authority of the Depths even says "foes". I'm confused

[gloomy heart]

JUST SIM!

[coral ibex]

i misspoke - depths can only go on 1 target but power can trigger on multiple targets

[spice oak]

Authority of depths just does a raw number of ST damage, radiant power does ST damage and gives you primary stay

[coral ibex]

the depths effect can stack 3x on a single target but you can't have it on more than one

[coral ibex]

single target damage is boosted by main stat, that isn't the determining factor

[indigo valley]

Guys I'm feeling really dumb trying to find sims for sin rogue atm

[coral ibex]

you want 3x depths on a single target, you dont want to keep triggering 1x depths on multiple targets

[indigo valley]

!sim

[coral ibex]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[indigo valley]

and these are the most up to date ones?

[soft surge]

id payer like $5 or less for an updated list each season

surely someone can capitlize on it

but im new to sin and maybe with a few more seasons ill figure it out myself quickly

if sin is still top 5 dps in raid and m+ next season it must be done

[coral ibex]

$5 for hours of work lmfao

ok bud

go find someone in the third world

[soft surge]

how is it hours of work

[runic hinge]

How is it not

[coral ibex]

someone has to go test every mech against every rogue defensive

what are you smoking bud

[soft surge]

i mean i dont expect it on release but a month or so in surely someone can compile a list

[runic hinge]

You can do that

[coral ibex]

so compile it yourself if it’s so easy

[runic hinge]

Yourself

[soft surge]

hell nah xD

[coral ibex]

exactly

[runic hinge]

The meme stays true

[soft surge]

!nw

[prisma monolith]

The breath/frontal from the first boss in Necrotic Wake is an attack, not a spell.

In order to immune the the breath, you must be in the first second of cloak of shadows (“a moment of magic immunity”). After the first second of cloak of shadows has elapsed, the attack will hit you and no longer be immuned.
Alternatively you can use evasion to dodge the breath.

[soft surge]

this commant just made me think of it is all

command

[runic hinge]

it’s the most common question from this season

[coral ibex]

you can just use the not even close web tool

[soft surge]

oh yea

[tall jewel]

where can i find pawn stats string?

[coral ibex]

don’t use pawn

[tall jewel]

ye, i know sim in raid bots its better, but for all-round use xD

[runic hinge]

Is it higher ilvl

[soft surge]

https://i.imgur.com/iL8q1Z2.png

not the same

[stone fable]

can I sim all talents to get an idea of what is "best", if so how do I do that? In advanced?

[runic hinge]

You can just sim your talent pages in top gear

[soft surge]

when did pawn fall off? i remember using it in legion and bfa

maybe just legion

https://i.imgur.com/721DRqa.png i found a cool addon

uses less resources than any of those WA's

[steel ridge]

sp0der is ded

dobby is free

[soft surge]

weak aura palace is over

[karmic crystal]

even less resources

[soft surge]

whats that one

[slate crown]

Yeah baseline is basically the same

It's literally the base ui

there's no addon lol

Drag your poison icon to your bar

you can click it and you get that flyout

[karmic crystal]

^^

[soft surge]

aint a fan of the fly out

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/theyre-the-same-picture-the-office-pam-the-office-us-gif-20757621

[soft surge]

https://wago.io/yUMsTUPTx this was gold standard but not updated so kinda sketch

could make it appear and clickable with a custom remaining time

[karmic crystal]

I only mention because you emphasised how light it was

[soft surge]

@slate crown https://i.imgur.com/nSM0r8u.png would this mean theres actually not really any issue with using the WA?

even tho its not been updated in 2 years

[slate crown]

No

Those metrics aren't be-all-end-all of how good something is to use

The issue wit hthe WA is it's clickable which isn't a performance thing

It's a functionality issue when used in combat

Clickables are fine when they don't interact with spells and only interact with other addon stuff

Applying poisons are spell casts, so clickables on them means it can get tainted

[soft surge]

i see

[slate crown]

and can lead to a bunch of errors

That won't be shown by those code metrics

IF you care about performance/lightweight etc

Then the way to track that is using the WA tools for measuring performance, (Right click)

and seeing if you get high time-spent inside of that WA

I imagine that WA is pretty lightweight regardless

[soft surge]

ima do that now, even turning off the glow it was nice

[slate crown]

But again, those code measures also don't say anything about the code being accurate

esp with infrastructure updates, API changes with each patch

TWW definitely came with some API changes, but can't say if they impact that Aura or not

[spice spire]

I imagine ur wa is pretty lightweight

[coral ibex]

i imagine you’re pretty lightweight bud

[soft surge]

Lisonna best envenom tracker 👍

[slate crown]

Those two code measures basically just say
A) How many layers does the code create and go through
B) How many tokens and expressions do you spread out in your code

Both of those speak to how easy it is to test the code and how easy it is to read the code from an external observer and update/make changes / maintain.

That's it. It's good when they're green from a coding perspective, in most cases. it's not necessarily bad if they're yellow/red, sometimes the use case legit calls for something complicated. It can mean the code is bad if it's yellow/red.

None of that is about the game knowledge and viability within Wow's sandbox

[spice spire]

Nah Unfort I’m not

Unluigi

[slate crown]

Maybe? kinda? I try to make them that way but sometimes they just have to be chonkers

imp garrote for example

has some chonk

[coral ibex]

stay big

[spice spire]

Damn

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/chonky-cat-chonk-cats-cute-tickle-gif-22976826

[coral ibex]

that poor chonk

too fat

[rotund oak]

prolly hasnt poo'd for a week or something 😂

very chonky

[rotund oak]

huge gz fam

[violet sonnet]

https://wago.io/PFTo3o6Ug a funny one for those who dont know it already

[wind totem]

Anyone else encounter the bug in grim batol where somehow corrupt the blood gets applied to the lava benders during 3rd boss?

[balmy condor]

Yep

Happens sometimes

[hard wolf]

Anyone know, is there an easy way to make Deathstalker mark pop out more on enemy targets? I sometimes find myself messing up when there is a big pull, I try to garrote/rupture everything, then going back to my main target, finding it hard to spot where it is

Any tricks and tips on this would be much appriciated!

[blazing pumice]

plater that changes colour for your deathmark target

[runic hinge]

Could use a plater

[runic hinge]

!wa

[blazing pumice]

i sent you a plater mod

[runic hinge]

uhhh

[blazing pumice]

in dm

[runic hinge]

moroes dead?

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[runic hinge]

okay maybe for a minute, anyways whispyrs plater changes the color based on your DSM

[blazing pumice]

the mod i sent you changes colour depending on

1. if rupture is up
2. if garrote is up
3. if rupture+garrote is up
4. if rupture+garrote+dsm is up

[novel star]

mouseover macro for your bleeds could help but also you just don’t need to rupture everything

not really a thing

garrotting everything is good if you have stealth but rup is just for scent really

[hard wolf]

oh

[candid sun]

Is it just rupture for your scent of blood stacks?

Yeah thought ao

[novel star]

yeah

[hard wolf]

so you guys dont really get rupture to everything=

I thought you should xD

I have a plater mod that shows casters and melee ect for m+

currently

[novel star]

even with carnage you don’t rup everything, other spenders are just better

[hard wolf]

oh ok

learning ^^

[novel star]

but stealth buffed garrote is a good builder

so you do a lot of that

you just spend it on ct after 5 rups are out

[hard wolf]

So in a big pack, you would stealth garrote out as much as possible for silence and dots, then rupture whatever makes sense in the dot window, then go for caustic envenoms?

so you stick more to one target basicly at a pull?

[novel star]

ya

[hard wolf]

after getting chrimson out aswell ofc

[novel star]

caustic spatter and ct are the majority of your aoe damage

[hard wolf]

ok thanks! that makes it alot easier ^^

[novel star]

rupture and garrote kinda suck

[candid sun]

So what, garrote with carnage for dmg and then only rupture for stacks? I feel like I do lose dps here because also try to spread it for silences as well. I guess just garrote x2 > rupture x2 then burst

[hard wolf]

more for energy regen I guess?

[novel star]

ya

all you need is like 5 or 6 bleeds for infinite energy tho

so usually just scent stacks does everything

[hard wolf]

scent stacks

I might be daft here, talent?

[candid sun]

Scent of blood

[hard wolf]

right!

[novel star]

i mean if ur garrotting for iron wire once everyone in the pack has it already then it’d be a loss yea

[candid sun]

Yeah I was doing it for initial cc instead of just committing to kicks and stuns, me modifying my plater clicking radius should fix that

So I guess just commit to the rotation of x2 for each then go ham

[novel star]

idk

it’s probably not that bad

[candid sun]

Idk so many little things here that I don't know lol

[novel star]

depends on pack size but most of the time you have to fok twice anyway so you’re not really slowing down your finishers that much if u hit a garrote for iron wire every like 5 seconds or whatev

[frosty bridge]

where can a man find the bis dslice profile

[novel star]

nowhere

[candid sun]

Yeah so like I'd ambush into my garrotes, rupture, fok, rupture, tempest then try to spread to whatever mobs I missed while I still have carnage active

[frosty bridge]

can't be right

[candid sun]

Just not sure what takes priority

[frosty bridge]

[novel star]

yeah one probably exists

[candid sun]

I guess ruptured targets for scent then tempest

[novel star]

well i’m assuming you play sbs

so it’s just rupture rupture

[candid sun]

Sbs?

My b

[novel star]

serrated bone spike

[candid sun]

Ah

Yeah

[novel star]

and also don’t overcap cp

[candid sun]

Yeah cardinal sin lol

[novel star]

just use 2 garrotes and then finish

[candid sun]

OK np

[novel star]

we have like 15 hours of carnage now anyway if u play subterfuge

[candid sun]

Yeah I do

I just came back after quitting around mop, tryna re learn the class

[novel star]

but yeah it’s really just 5 ruptures and then ct / mash envenoms

[mild rock]

Anyone know why my FoK is giving me 1 cp on aoe packs?

[candid sun]

Probably not triggering seal fate

[novel star]

not critting unlucky

[frosty bridge]

can happen innit, no crits

[mild rock]

what gives FoK the CP? Targets hit? Crit?

[novel star]

crit

[mild rock]

ah

[novel star]

you can hit 27 targets and only get 1 crit

and you’ll get 2cp

happens

[mild rock]

how much crit u guys runnin?

[novel star]

the amount that the robot tells me to run

i don’t look at stats

simming is bis

[candid sun]

Think I'm like 30 / 50 %

30 crit 50 mastery

[coral ibex]

specific stat values dont matter

[blazing pumice]

people aren't dropping sbs in m+ just because of qol right

@subtle tundra o you are

[subtle tundra]

huh

be more explicit?

[blazing pumice]

trying to figure out if i drop sbs or not

[subtle tundra]

you dont

i drop it in stonevault only

cause i play iw

[random ice]

have someone the macro for tea ? that you dont use two

[rotund oak]

Firstly crit and secondary there is clear the witnesses from deathstalker tree gives fok the ability to generate 1 extra combo point(its a buff though,its possible always after we apply deathstalkers mark,consuming the buff makes fok generate the extra cp)

[blazing pumice]

are we only picking up doomblade to pick up sbs in m+?

[frosty bridge]

pretty much

if the node placement was reversed there is no shot we would take it

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ctzkWCPQxadEEjzSeA54to

the question is

is dropping rashanan cloak worth for keys to put dawnthread there isntead

[coral ibex]

emplussers man

[blazing pumice]

i just want one more point for the spec tree

then i would be happy

[coral ibex]

what you pushin bud

[frosty bridge]

its push week

[blazing pumice]

16 sv and 16 grim batol are our left overs

🤮

[coral ibex]

https://d.fixupx.com/AceanFronk/status/1860509763714339074

[rotund oak]

sub week

[subtle tundra]

my sims are telling me to craft feet cause theres no good raid feet

[rotund oak]

basicly its sub week every week

[frosty bridge]

isnt there some crit mastery ones

i s2g i have them on dh

maybe its dungeon tho

[subtle tundra]

nah

vers mastery and haste mastery i think

[frosty bridge]

ah

hmmm maybe i sim feet bracers instead of cloak bracers then

[subtle tundra]

and theres crit mastery back

[frosty bridge]

but there is no crit mastery belt either right

[blazing pumice]

i just catalysed some shit boots from vault

vers isn't that bad for me idk

[subtle tundra]

idk

its all like a couple thousand dps at most

[frosty bridge]

yeah idk i would probably use the vers mastery belt from first boss or something

[subtle tundra]

i dont care that much

my sims are telling me duskthread instead of dawnthread

so like

?!?!

[frosty bridge]

o yeah

actually should sim that too i guess

nvm gonna keep rashanan cloak im too much of a pig to not die in keys

[blazing pumice]

is this a thing then?

sims ok st and dslice

[runic hinge]

No iron wire for what?

Sanguine blades lol

[blazing pumice]

don't need iron wire most keys if you're not pugging

we run triple melee

[spice spire]

[blazing pumice]

and a resto shaman

[runic hinge]

If you’re not pugging sure still pretty good utility over a 1% dps talent but hey I’m not running 16’s maybe you need that

[blazing pumice]

it's not 1% tho

sanguine is like 4%

[frosty bridge]

fuck iron wire

except in maybe GB

[spice spire]

I’m going to eat ur ass

Rawdogged

[frosty bridge]

not saying no to that

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

so instead of taking a talent that is maybe the strongest utility talent in the game rn

you take one that makes your ST dmg lower

on a spec that has kinda bad ST dmg

[blazing pumice]

i think there might be aoe in m+ champ

[royal lantern]

yes

assa is a aoe monster

like, by itself lol

CT->cleave with spatter and GG

[coral ibex]

need that 5% overall bro

utility? i don't know her

[runic hinge]

Can’t even be 5%

[blazing pumice]

the timing of keys is generally dictated by the amount of aoe you have

[coral ibex]

+sb -iw sims at +5% in dslice for me

[royal lantern]

i cant wait until m+ monkeys start saying "actually ST is the only thing that matters in keys" again

followed by "utility is the only thing that matters"

and then "aoe is the only thing that matters"

the endless circle

[runic hinge]

Followed by boss damage is the only thing that matters

Drop CT and take single target talents

[frosty bridge]

damage done to shielded targets

[royal lantern]

well, i mean boss dmg with ST dmg tbh

[runic hinge]

Spend two months taking double vanish cause iron wire utility is so good despite the loss now that double vanish isn’t a loss anymore we drop it for supercharger and drop iron wire cause we need the dps

[soft surge]

show whatever talent tree youre talking about

[royal lantern]

it would be funny if it would not be sad

cus its predictable af lol

say X, and the smort m+ mains WILL do Y and explain you why its actually the objectively best choice now

[runic hinge]

Subterfuge used to do nothing before the .5 patch. Streamers and their ilk justified taking double vanish because the utility of iron wire was sooooo good despite the 5-7% loss from not having ER. Now that subterfuge does something and double vanish can be on par we got people in here dropping iron wire cause they “need the dps”

[royal lantern]

^

[soft surge]

i see

[royal lantern]

and even better when its

"i need more dmg for bosses" and then take sanguine blades

[soft surge]

would you only play ironwire with double vanish

[runic hinge]

Not necessarily

[royal lantern]

sanguine blades is a talent that in m+ has neutral to negative effect for boss dmg

so its like

allright

[royal lantern]

nah

like, idk man, for me its a hard locked in

why would you NOT want aoe silence on all stealth pulls/mid pull if you use cds

[runic hinge]

I would play iron wire everywhere

I’ve thought about dropping double vanish for supercharger but I haven’t followed through cause I like master assassin over sanguine

[royal lantern]

in pugs it non-negotiable, the only reason i see where you can reasonably drop it is in VERY highly optimized premade groups that went over all cc usage allready

aka

what like 4 people in the world actually do

everywhere else, iron wire is just waaaaaaaay to good for all the safety it gives

[eager haven]

Is there some dungeons you take elusiveness and some you take cheat death?

[runic hinge]

Plus it’s nice for your tank especially if they’re aren’t prot pally

[blazing pumice]

once keys are "hard" you drop cheat death for elusiveness

if you are doing a 10 no leavers it doesn't matter

elusiveness is stupid strong now that feint is off gcd

[royal lantern]

more or less all keys above 10 ye

rogue without elusivness just dies in m+

[eager haven]

ok ty i'm only starting on rogue alt at low keys atm but still finding at low keys i'm nearly dying to targeted things because healer gear/knowledge isn't there either

[royal lantern]

just take it

elusivness is your main deffensive tool in dungeons

CD is more a raid thing

[heavy nebula]

In a typical M+, how much of your total dmg does caustic spatter make up?

[coral ibex]

15-20%

[heavy nebula]

Oh wow

Enevenom?

[blazing pumice]

siege 16

ttk no sd, so your breakdown might be diff

[heavy nebula]

Oh dear. My caustic spatter is around 11%, while envenom is 13%

[runic hinge]

Maybe your bosses are living a long time

[blazing pumice]

that might be normal on a low key

if you had sub 10% spatter it would suggest something is wrong

[heavy nebula]

Not so high… an 8

[blazing pumice]

more of your gcds are going to be taken up casting bleeds then

and less on envenoms/spatter dmg

[heavy nebula]

If the mob dies too fast, that’d make sense, yeah?

[winged sun]

Its very common for people to cast buttons without spatter being up

[runic hinge]

In an 8 it’s hard to do spatter damage when mobs don’t even live a full kingsbane

[heavy nebula]

I find the main target with it dies, then I gotta swap and reapply bleed so that I can do caustic.

Perhaps it’s just always an issue of lower keys.

[runic hinge]

I think it’s tyrannical week so if you’re under a 10 your bosses would be taking longer which is why envenom can be higher than spatter

[heavy nebula]

Some gd damn ret pally comes in and melts the things.

In general though, one would expect caustic to be higher in a typical M+?

[vivid mulch]

How do i remove that

I apparently clicked on something in my plater profile

[winged sun]

U dont want to see mages casting their frostbolts in peace?

[vivid mulch]

xd

[winged sun]

[vivid mulch]

[atomic relic]

hi all

a question about sim

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b6vrKmXCGJGvpwQ5dLxypY

nothing i got it i dropped 4set buff and forgot it xDD

[drifting cloud]

[keen spruce]

[atomic relic]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[zenith hatch]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[brittle fulcrum]

Can I Dungeon slice sim with raidbots? It says to ask here

[slate crown]

Yes

[dawn heath]

Iron wire is just not needed in 5-6/8 duengons and with the introduction of prot paladin meta its become pretty insignificant in those duengons

[charred cosmos]

is there a new talet tree for m+?

[dawn heath]

I still think if you play with a low skill group its worth taking the talent cause people dont do any stops or kicks so it can be useful in worse groups

[dusk hatch]

on how many targets do u use ct?

[dawn heath]

2

[dusk hatch]

ty

[balmy condor]

what is your definition of "new"

[dawn heath]

Thats quite a stretch Iron wire sees almost no play 16+ and up in any duengons except sv/gb and its alot of timed 16 runs

[candid sun]

Is it because of coordination / other talents are more prudent?

[dawn heath]

The only logged ironwire keys is when people forget to swap back from it

[balmy condor]

it's because they see prot paladin and decide to instead take a talent with 0 single target dps so they can come back here and bitch about their boss damage

[royal lantern]

"it sees almost no play on the key level that only a handfull of players touch that play only in meta comps that are coordinated by default"

lol

a +16 with a aug+prot paladin is SLIGHTLY different then the rest

[dawn heath]

You said 4 groups its like 2000 timed ara bara 16 runs

But ye i agree ironwire is goated for low skill groups

[royal lantern]

i love how you mfs call everything that is not the absolute top 0,1% "low skill"

sorry, but it sounds so ridicolous

yeha i know what you mean

[dawn heath]

Playing 16s is really not that impressive

If u can get ce you can time 16s

[jade abyss]

You play 16?

[dawn heath]

Y

[royal lantern]

its really some "you are only ACTUALLY playing the game when you are GM in ranked" shit, ngl

[dawn heath]

The difference is wow is just not that competitive its easier than you think compared to games like league 80% of the playerbase has no interest in keys and even less people are intrested in doing anything above+10 for Vault/weeklies

People just want their loot and dips

This 0.1% playerbase u are talking about i have seen alot of sus players on high score if you just play and try u will get quite far

[royal lantern]

oh ye sure

you can slam yourself against a wall and get sucess like crazy in wow

the #1 way to get high ranks/score is time investment, not actual player skill

want a high wr in raiding? slam those 4 raid days a week

[dawn heath]

Ye this will get you far but u wont do like the world first keys unless you are very skilled as well

[royal lantern]

m+ core? do keys all day, 1 will be time and score goes up

[dawn heath]

Ye

No rating pentalty

Some people slam their heads in their finder enough times until they get carried in a run

[blazing pumice]

this can literally be said about any hobby that requires practice

want to be the best soccer player on your team? just play over and over

[royal lantern]

if m+ had a rating penalty, holy shit the scene would be so different

like

[crimson zephyr]

you guys really get 2m overall dps in GB? 😮

[royal lantern]

soooooooo different

[dawn heath]

Cant look at overall dps unless you have the same circumstances kinda

Same comp route key level the way the tank pulls your team mates so many factors

Aug no aug?

[dawn heath]

Log your run its the best u can do but even that is scuffed

[devout hazel]

are the m+ talents right

on wow head

why it put me on cheat death

[dawn heath]

Any key over 11 bin cheat death

[blazing pumice]

cuz for the typical clientele getting their builds from wowhead, cheat death is the better choice

[devout hazel]

which one is the best talents

for assa rogue high keys

[dawn heath]

If obv you want feint in a real key

[devout hazel]

m+

then

[dawn heath]

You swap around quite abit

[crimson zephyr]

hmm and then? ^^

[blazing pumice]

there is no best build

[dawn heath]

Just copy one from raider io

Or go into wcl and check what people play in different duengons

[blazing pumice]

if you are using the wowhead build for casual keys, i would drop rushed setup for shadowrunner tho

[dawn heath]

https://murlok.io/rogue/assassination/mm+

You can check here what people play

And decide for yourself there is some flexibility

[crystal glen]

Does stealth count as a stance for macro purposes?

[balmy condor]

stance:0 is no stance, stance:1 is vanish/stealth, stance:2 is subterfuge/shadow dance I believe

[crystal glen]

Damn its split? xD! Well works for the purpose ^^

[balmy condor]

might be that stance 2 is all of them

idk

[crystal glen]

Weird its a third stance without its own bar xD

[balmy condor]

it's been like half a decade

I've never needed stance macros

I think [nostealth] is also a thing

[crystal glen]

Was thinking of putting cheapshot as a stance conditipn on stun

Pugging Keys with everyone throwing kicks randomly makes you waste alot of cp on stuns xD

[blazing pumice]

you can, it's fine for casual play, kidney lasts a lot longer though so it's bad for pvp

[balmy condor]

cheapshot in pve

[blazing pumice]

and potentially you want to save dr in pve too

[balmy condor]

stay back satan

[waxen oyster]

I dont think i’ve ever pressed cheapshot

as assa

thats banned

[jade abyss]

What is cheapshot?

[balmy condor]

exactly

[waxen oyster]

A pvp button

[royal lantern]

what is a pvp?

[dawn heath]

Tbh i dont have it bound lmao

[crystal glen]

Would you rather kidney in subtefuge than cheapshot?

[dawn heath]

Even tho i play subterfuge

[waxen oyster]

No

[blazing pumice]

it depends on your intention

[waxen oyster]

You let the classes with lower opportunity cost

[blazing pumice]

most cases no

[jade abyss]

Dont have it in my bars x)

[waxen oyster]

cast their stuns

in opener

[blazing pumice]

if you want the long ass kidney shot stun for whatever reason, you ks instead

[dawn heath]

Whos gonna drop a cheap shot global mid bleed window

Fuck that shit

[waxen oyster]

Tbh

[blazing pumice]

st stuns are kind of dead in pve now anyway

since the interupt changes

[waxen oyster]

Using st stun is in my experience

thr first sign someone is fotm playing this class

as an alt

most rogue mains i see never press that thing

[spice surge]

Honestly kidney is way underused

8s is a very long time

[waxen oyster]

Im not pressing kidney for the resto shaman

who has 2 kicks in 30 minutes

fuck that

Guy has a 12s cd kick and presses it like its a 15min cd

[lyric hill]

hey should i do 2x dawnthread or darkmoon and binding? or i suppose what should influence my decision

[waxen oyster]

ascension is for raid

you can have both atp

[dawn heath]

I use it to stun the bite mobs sometimes if they are super low in mist 17+ and in arakara to stop the beetle cast if we dont have other aoe stops or if we have no kicks in the group and its multiple casters

Thats it

[lyric hill]

it's an alt, so for keys, dawnthread?

[waxen oyster]

yeah i mean most people prioritize raid

dawnthread in raid is technically better if your healers are good

[dawn heath]

Embelishments dont matter this expansion

[waxen oyster]

that too

[dawn heath]

They do nothing

[lyric hill]

very minor?

aight

[blazing pumice]

just double dawnthread

[waxen oyster]

0.2% diff maybe

[dawn heath]

1% dmg gain

[lyric hill]

sound

thanks

[dawn heath]

And even less ifc u have a 639 piece

In that slot

[waxen oyster]

ascension is 10k difference from double dawnthread in my raid setup

and thats with 60% dawn uptime

out of like 1.47m

XD

[lyric hill]

sweet

[royal lantern]

i hate thoe big numbers

cus people see 10k

and think its big

while we do 1,4m

[lyric hill]

also im mostly going to be farming 8s and things for crests, so fights arent very long and ofc downtime when travelling between packs or whatever in keys

[waxen oyster]

People failed math then

[dawn heath]

The embelishments give half stats compared to df even though we have twice-3 as much secondaries so its like 15-20% of the power they were in df

[royal lantern]

it doesnt matter really

[dawn heath]

Absolutely useless

You could probably remove your embelishments and play full 639 gear and barely lose any dps

[waxen oyster]

I just did a few sims

just out of boredom

since am “done” with gear besifes skardyn

[dawn heath]

http://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/ravencrest/Ahoymatey

Im also kinda done with gearing

[lyric hill]

my eyes

[waxen oyster]

engy helm outsimming 639?

[dawn heath]

Yes

In m+ by quite alot

Was like 7k in dslice

[waxen oyster]

i mean trailspinner probably better in m+?

[dawn heath]

Nope

[waxen oyster]

Oh probably because zero haste bad

[dawn heath]

I have no Haste on any other items

So its ok

[waxen oyster]

Yeah it's the same way for me

neck bins haste anywhere else for me though

funny

I need to fix dh though...

that char has 22k crit

[dawn heath]

My mog goes hard

[royal lantern]

hey

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/pl-pl/character/eu/silvermoon/Garmors

wanna trade ring for neck?

[dawn heath]

If it was mythic track i would xD

[waxen oyster]

ansurek ring perma holding back my ilvl

[cyan karma]

How does dracthyr rogue compare to some of the other classes? I see they get a passive boosting mastery… and zooming around in the air sounds fun… and I don’t feel like I’m getting to much out of night elf/ shadow meld rn

[spice surge]

Purely simdps wise its mid, just like the other 1% races

But if y ou want to jusat go ahead

[wooden atlas]

General rotational question I could use some help with: Is it better to maintain more Envenom uptime or play around min-maxing Sanguine Blades? Any difference ST vs AoE? Thanks!

I always feel energy starved on ST or low target count

[spice surge]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[waxen oyster]

That’s just assa design at 1-2t

3+ you have giga resources to spam

[wooden atlas]

Can anyone weigh in on the specifics of my question? I understand energy starvation is normal, what I am wondering comes down to Envenom uptime vs trying to min-max Sanguine Blades. Do I legit just ignore the talent?

[coral ibex]

what do you think min maxing sanguine blades means?

[wooden atlas]

If I have a choice between maintaining Envenom uptime vs getting benefit from being above 50% energy for the extra bleed damage

and does it change from ST to AoE or during say Kingsbane windows

[spice surge]

Sanguine is not something you play around no

[wooden atlas]

Is that true during Deathmark?

[spice surge]

Yes

Deathmark doesnt change anything

[wooden atlas]

Appreciate it thank you

Almost seems like a waste of a talent

I guess on large pulls you benefit

when you have lots of energy coming in

[spice surge]

Yes thats why its not picked for ST

[blazing pumice]

it's pretty big on aoe

[soft surge]

pool abit of energy in M+ with only 1 shiv before deathmark and kingsbane i reckon

might not make a diff but it feels better

[jolly heath]

Anyone know how to pull the middle room in maze in mist after 1st boss?

[gloomy heart]

okay fuck mage its giving me aids

[novel star]

what’s wrong w maje

[gloomy heart]

just cba gearing it

[novel star]

mmm

[slim pebble]

I know its all super small obviously. but are the new racial changes anything to get excited about?

[novel star]

fair

[novel star]

nope

i mean you can be excited about anything

like

i’m excited that void elf active racial is buffed because i enjoy using it and think it’s fun

but

none of it is particularly relevant

[slim pebble]

For sure, theyd never cook up a racial to be that insane again jst thought id ask lol

[novel star]

numerically nothing intersting no

[royal lantern]

well, i play a worgen

and idk

darkflight stacking with sprint sounds fun

running faster then a ground mount lol

[slate crown]

I thought you played vulpera

[steel ridge]

Sprint is already faster than ground mount

since you have 15% baseline +100% sprint zoomers

[weary spear]

for intermission bosses, if i dot up the guy disappearing on court with rupture and garrote, does that still give me energy regen even if he's disappeared?

[rocky sluice]

for mythic Silken Court, I notice I need to have like at least two charges of tea for the first damage amp on Anub'arash

right?

[waxen oyster]

No why would you

[rocky sluice]

I feel like with my rotation, they're getting used up too soon. are you guys like pooling energy for the first damage amp? any advice is appreciated

just trying to figure it out lol

[waxen oyster]

I only use one generally

[rocky sluice]

I guess what I'm trying to say is i'm using up my charges of tea too soon

[waxen oyster]

You have pretty decent energy economy

[rocky sluice]

it's automatically being used

[waxen oyster]

from having rupture on both of them.

[rocky sluice]

word

[waxen oyster]

Yeah I mean honestly

You're not going to beat the "good" specs on that boss.

[rocky sluice]

I don't care much about that

its just i noticed one pull I popped the fuck off because I did something different and I think it has to do with how my charges of thistle tea get used

during the damage amp

[waxen oyster]

Get radiant power+crystal proc is likely a bigger deal

@rocky sluice Honestly a bigger thing to remember is, make sure you swap your mark target before intermissions

[quasi hill]

!restealth

!stealth

[waxen oyster]

Not as big as people make them out to be

Unless your tank is chaining 1-2 mobs at sub 10%

Then your tank is just stupid.

[quasi hill]

Okay was just wondering that I could miss some uptime on master assassin and dot spreading

[waxen oyster]

I mean depends how your tank is chaining

If he’s chaining a pack of 4-5 into another it’s a damage gain

If hes chaining 1 mob at 5%

I will stop and flame the shit out of him

[quasi hill]

He don't want to care about other players. Not his problem that I wanna restealth, I should reroll instead of hindering the group with restealthing

[waxen oyster]

Bruh what

[quasi hill]

That's the current spirit

Yeah

[waxen oyster]

Idk what kind of pug tanks you’re playing with

[quasi hill]

Premade

[waxen oyster]

Bad tank player

idk

bro doesnt know iron wire is a thing

[quasi hill]

My words bro

[waxen oyster]

You gain absolutely nothing as a tank chaining 1-2 stragglers at 10%

[waxen oyster]

Idk I’ve literally played tank and never seen a gain to chaining stragglers.

Just shows tank has no route in mind anytime I see it.

[quasi hill]

Hm okay. Will start the explaining again in group

[waxen oyster]

I mean you literally lose a 5s silence and 15% dr

on the height of pack danger

[weary spear]

anyone know answer to this ?

[blazing pumice]

check a log?

[weary spear]

idk how to read logs lol

[slate crown]

I didn’t know how to read logs at one time. Then I learned by opening one up and poking around, having zero clue what I was looking at or for.

In most cases, if the dots are dealing damage, you are getting energy.

[balmy condor]

in silken courts case it does not

but depends on the raid and the boss

sometimes it does

[warm shard]

For mythic court I see a lot of logs holding cd’s for damage amps. Is it genuinely worth doing considering you may not get some caustic damage and will probably miss the end ticks of KB? Should I just be popping KB and DM asap during amp or make sure to have evenom up first?

[balmy condor]

holding for damage amps generally better unless you know your timings and what you're doing

[weary spear]

If I have darkest night up and ruptures about to fall off is it fine to send like a 2 CP rupture?

[novel star]

no

you prio dn over rupture

[weary spear]

Rupture falling off is fine in that case then?

[novel star]

you also just don’t get in that situation in the first place ideally. but if you’re in it, you drop rupture uptime for dn yes

[golden loom]

Also to avoid that situation, use rupture as the finisher to get DN

[weary spear]

Yeah if I notice I have 1 stack left for sure. Just sometimes happens

Just sucks dropping corrupt the blood, no?

[balmy condor]

that's what you're worried about?

you're worried about losing a couple ticks worth of an effect that holds maybe 25% of the value of a rupture tick

it'll be fine lmao

[runic hinge]

Make rupture great again

[stiff vine]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[oak tangle]

Did you kill court yet @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

yes

[oak tangle]

Pog

[balmy condor]

we're progging ansurek shield atm

[oak tangle]

I’ve been too busy in Poe. Checked out of wow till season 2

[balmy condor]

understandable

wow is a teeny bit poop

[oak tangle]

I logged in for the felcycle, and that was it

[outer turtle]

Guyz what are the best embelishments for M+ as assa? right now I'm playing ascedance with double effect?

[blazing pumice]

2x dawnthread. makes very little difference

[final dawn]

any ideas on what to pick for m+? dungeon slice says neck or chest but i will lose mastery in that case.

[violet jackal]

I'd imagine neck but you can sim it

[final dawn]

sim says neck but ill lose so much mastery that it feels that it cant be right 😄

[balmy condor]

why not?

[rotund oak]

if only feelings were lead by math man..

like watch an equation and how it describes reality and burst into tears

[balmy condor]

I mean if he can explain why he thinks it can't be right

then fair enough

[rotund oak]

u rly wait for an explanation

[balmy condor]

but 99.9% of the time when someone says it they just don't understand what they're simming and how their spec works

so

yeah I got time

I'll wait

[rotund oak]

u are a modern saint 🫶

[final dawn]

well i think that most of my dmg comes from poison & blood, so I would guess that mastery is the way to go

[balmy condor]

and that is not what we were looking for, unfortunate

because that is just a fundamental misunderstanding of how stats work

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[balmy condor]

haste is bad in aoe because you're capped on energy, but really good in single target and low target cleave for example

[oak tangle]

🤣

[balmy condor]

vers is generically good cause it's just all damage

crit is all damage technically as well but gives combo points, which are kinda important

this is why we sim

because it isn't as easy as "bleed = dam and mastery = bleed so I stack mastery"

you're simming dungeonslice, which is a composite of single target (a boss), low target cleave, and aoe

so it evaluates stats in that situation

the neck has a bunch of haste

but it thinks that's good because the gain you get in situations where the haste is valuable outweighs the aoe where it's comparatively worse than other stats

so tldr no it's not wrong, you just were missing a lot of info

[final dawn]

I see your point, thanks for pointing this out. Not much else that I could add 😄

[balmy condor]

np

[oak tangle]

that's why they pay him the big bucks

[spice spire]

[pliant remnant]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[past marten]

I think you should aim for 22/30/13/19 flat then, looks neater.

[grand atlas]

whats is the best embelishment for assa rogue have seen 2, one is ascension or dawnthread lining

[rotund oak]

i aimed for ketchup-mayo on this snietzel,a success.Some broccoli and french fries on the side and cold beer 👌

[royal lantern]

RCG are a bunch of shitheads so i left, and the guys that took me where alliance before crossfaction guilds where a thing and paid me a transfer

[clever sapphire]

ascension is pure ST, dawnthread is "focused" on m+ (both are only like 1% value) so if you are not only raidlogging i would just get dawnthread

also embellishments are like only 1-1.5% as stated in the pins

[grand atlas]

okey:)

[opal scroll]

!wa

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[shy axle]

how do i play the second boss in boralus correctly regarding that fire-shot? just stand apart as melees or do you just run out of his meleerange and wait until it is over? Or do you just take it with a cd?

[spice surge]

Do you mean the fiery ricochet?

Spreading has no impact on it, its gonna hit you either way

Or if you mean the circles you spawn underneath your feet you just stack with all the melees and then move after the second circle appears

Since the first circle wont strike until a few seconds after the second circle appear

[subtle tundra]

it always hits the closest target, up to 4 targets

closest target to the initial target, then chains

so if every range is on stacked, and targets one of them, you need to have the tank closer to them and it doesnt hit you

[shy axle]

@spice surge ricochet

thank you

[spice surge]

You can precloak it as well

[shy axle]

when it targets me to not spread it at all or just to be not hit in general?

[subtle tundra]

it still spreads

you just dont take any dmg

[rotund oak]

ofc it still spreads

[subtle tundra]

i spread mine too

yes

stay mad

[spice spire]

Hey

[subtle tundra]

hey mr funny

[spice spire]

I’m not that

But ty tho

[subtle tundra]

im about to push m+ 😦

[spice spire]

Men will do anything but seek therapy

Damn

[subtle tundra]

wish i played poe2

but im not paying for it

i refuse

[spice spire]

I think I’m about to

Haven’t played as much as I’d like

But I enjoy it

[raven stump]

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[slate crown]

Seems like people who expected poe2 to be like late-stage poe1 were disappointed, and seems like people who never played poe and just take it chill are really enjoying poe2

[rotund oak]

yo i didnt mean that kind of spreading but whatever floats ur boat 😂

[weary spear]

PS does anyone know what I do here: if I’m at max CP in last couple seconds of shiv window, but ruptures got like 6 seconds left. Do I rupture, or envenom knowing that rupture will likely drop for a couple seconds?

[slate crown]

Envenom

In that moment

you don't have mark on the boss

or whatever

you're missing out on damage from the mark being up, you need to get it up asap

[grim jay]

getting mark up has the highest priority in ST

[weary spear]

Sorry. Assume I have one stack of deathstalker up. So that max CP finisher is gonna give me darkest night

Which then puts me in a position where I have to drop rupture for a second or two to clear darkest night. If that question makes sense?

But shiv is up, so do I envenom knowing rupture will drop momentarily, or just maintain rupture during shiv window so I don’t run into that issue

[slate crown]

Is rupture in pandemic?

If so then you rupture

Shiv doesn't change the priority of finishers

you don't stop rupturing in shiv

you just don't pool or reserve energy

(not that you necessarily do that anymore anyways, but the shiv thing just means "don't save energy in shiv like you might outside of shiv")

[weary spear]

Thank you that’s perfect 👍

[celest helm]

Been out of the pvp loop for a little bit now, i see we run coldblood in pvp now, where are you all using coldblood ?

[slate crown]

#pvp would be more likely to know

[celest helm]

oh wrong chat im dumb forget me LMAO

[gray horizon]

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[clever sapphire]

agree, i never really played poe1 and poe2 is actually a lot of fun

a chill game i can just hop onto when bored and enjoy it

(well i still need to follow a guide for a build and whatnot )

[tulip portal]

Poe is trash

Boring af

[coral ibex]

maybe its just not for you?

doesnt make it trash

[tulip portal]

100%

But i need to say trash

Otherwise im not cool

[coral ibex]

according to who, reddit?