assassination

[covert schooner]

I'm gonna get roasted 👉 👈

[glacial stump]

Everyone starts somewhere my guy

As long as you're open to feedback and dont get defensive, you're all good

[covert schooner]

So you can choose out of here anything to critique, I just don't know what I'm doing wrong to be so far behind players of similar ilvl https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/wyrmrest-accord/Steàlthy#bybracket=1

[fringe sierra]

parsing has to many factors for rogues look at mythic, im top of the charts but I got a 25 or sometbing on certain fights.

[clever sapphire]

just by looking at your top sikran log, you have spatter and you played double lethality (for me the 2 ER talents sim higher than lethality so thats prob a sim thing)

also you didnt even have an on use there

your latest sikran had good talents but still missing that skardyns

[glacial stump]

You're making a couple mistakes with going into your burst with all your dots not being up. IDk why you used 3 teas here

[clever sapphire]

also in hc people kill bosses much faster so by default longer kill times gonna feel worse

[covert schooner]

Teas are all going off by defaul

t

[glacial stump]

Just make youre you have your opener down. Your ST rotation is pretty repeatable and predictable

[covert schooner]

I didnt even touch the button

[glacial stump]

Idk how it would auto tea 3 times there

[covert schooner]

No clue its not even bound anymore

[glacial stump]

I get it after the shiv but idk how before

You NEED it bound

Should be pressing it pretty much with most shivs

mastery buff

[clever sapphire]

macro it to shiv

problem solved

!shiv

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[clever sapphire]

ah there

[covert schooner]

oh I guess that coudl be it

its macroed to shiv

but I didnt press it 3 times

[clever sapphire]

ye macro it this way

[covert schooner]

I how two shiv macros

[clever sapphire]

so you dont accidentlly use multiple

[covert schooner]

a mouseover and one with thistle

! before right?

[glacial stump]

Should still have it separate

[covert schooner]

oh gotcha

[clever sapphire]

its a 0.2% gain to press it manually

its not worth the hassle

[covert schooner]

That's what someone told me

so I stopped using it

[clever sapphire]

ye just always press the tea shiv macro from the command and you will have tea sorted

also do you by chance press vanish the last 3 seconds of your kb?

heck sometimes you vanish outside of your kb

make sure you vanish the last 6 sec of kb

[covert schooner]

Okay

[glacial stump]

Just work on your opener/burst and do it again and again and again

[covert schooner]

Look at my recent logs, is that not the right opener?

i thought I had it down

[glacial stump]

no

[clever sapphire]

another small minmax thing on a princess kill, you didnt have envenom for the first 3 sec or so of your kb

you always wanna have envenom buff up before your kb

so its fully covered

[glacial stump]

Infact every single opener from your run last night is wrong

[covert schooner]

yeah for queen I always stress about the mechanics

[clever sapphire]

corrected to princess but ye dont stress about that

[covert schooner]

I'll relook at the opener, really thought I had that down

Maybe that's my main issue

[glacial stump]

He has no SnD and Env going into burst, princess aint right

[clever sapphire]

this is your council opener

your kb is like 10 sec after your dm

[glacial stump]

Yeah just read the guide and repeat it over and over

[clever sapphire]

get the opener down and you will do a lot better by that already

also i would just remove the mouseover shiv macro, unless thats some pvp thing im too dumb to know about

i dont see the use of it in pve

[covert schooner]

From what I know I thought it was stealth > Ambush, garrote, rupture deathmark macro with potion and trink, kingsbane, envenom till the last like 6 seconds or something, thistle tea shiv for mastery

[clever sapphire]

aye thats like 70% wrong xD

[covert schooner]

ok I'll look at wowhead again

[clever sapphire]

its ambush garrote rupture, build to 5+, envenom, dm, trinket (usually macrod into deathmark), shiv, kb

[covert schooner]

Thanks everyone for the feed back

[clever sapphire]

vanish last 6 sec of kb and keep up envenom through all of kb

this is the reason for the last 6 sec of vanish, so your hardest hitting parts of kb have a higher crit chance

[covert schooner]

whats the vanish for, the imporved garrote?

oh well that answers that

[clever sapphire]

ha i knew you would ask

[glacial stump]

Looks like youre also not consuming your clear the witness ever

[covert schooner]

Thats after my keystone right?

where you fan?

[glacial stump]

yeah

[covert schooner]

yeah I need to macro that so It screams at me

[clever sapphire]

going from biggest to smallest issues its probably getting your cooldowns down properly, then your clear the witness proc, then the tea spamming (thats like fixed by just macro into shiv as in the command)

[covert schooner]

I just learned about that last week

Yeah I'll put that all into the next run I do and paste the new results later

its just sad, my monk is 90+ parses lul, I barely play it

such an easier class

[clever sapphire]

wait another big thing

you see deathstalkers mark?

you kinda lost it for half the fight in council

if you are unsure about managing it on council, just save vanish for that

[covert schooner]

Council I'm trash at on all classes

[clever sapphire]

you rather hold vanish to reapply mark if you will feck it up

council is just my type of fight

i like managing bleeds and so on

[covert schooner]

Yeah I mained outlaw for the longest time, hated it this xpac because of the new talent

so I stopped even trying

[clever sapphire]

well it just takes some time

you will get it no worries

[covert schooner]

also pugging and having to worry about others isn't very fun, like on princess where they just ball the death out of you

Having to web as a melee on council

doing pops because everyone else mistimes it

random stuff like that

[clever sapphire]

pugs gonna suck ass always

i just refuse to do mechanics thats a rangeds job

if we wipe i blame the bm hunter

[covert schooner]

haha

[clever sapphire]

i mean webs on council are just not our job

its dumb to do it as a rogue

[covert schooner]

I also dont raid really, I m+

yeah

[clever sapphire]

well one converts to the other, you need to manage your hero tree and all in keys also

[covert schooner]

I do it a lot better in keys, not perfect, but obviously I got stuff to work on

I'm gonna write down allt he critique and put it in my gameplay

[clever sapphire]

aight do that, gl

[covert schooner]

ty again 🙂

Unfortunatly I'm probably gonna be addicted to poe 2 today for a while, but I'll get some wow in between

[golden loom]

this week was not meant for parsing, got 3 out of 8 phase blades on mythic sikran

[clever sapphire]

wait poe 2 comes out today?

[covert schooner]

early acess yeah

[clever sapphire]

i thought its on the 7th

[clever sapphire]

have you tried not getting them?

[covert schooner]

Either spend 500$ or 30 bucks for a key

I spent easily 2k

so I got mine

and put it on my alt steam acc

so that's cool

[clever sapphire]

poe 1 was kind of an overload for me, but i think i will actually play poe 2

looks like a lot of fun even if its also already massive

[covert schooner]

yeah the tree scares people

It took 3 tries for me to get into it

then I go wayyy to far into it

Now I lead like 20 people in my group haha

[clever sapphire]

well this time imma just pick out a character and stick to a build i find online

[covert schooner]

I make build guides :^) I try to take what top players do, change it up a bit, and if its really similar give them credit

Problem solved

now I'm a 99 parser

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[clever sapphire]

use vanish at the end of your kb (last 6 sec), not at the end of your shiv

[patent elk]

Does poe2 also require a phd in poe to be able to play optimally

[snow kindle]

yeah but its poe just play it for fun

[covert schooner]

I know 🙂

[clever sapphire]

ye but you have it written as at the end of your shiv

xD

[covert schooner]

My shiv glows at the right moment

[clever sapphire]

ah aight

well i just press vanish after the 2nd shiv

[subtle tundra]

even more so now for a while cause builds arent discovered

everything is new, no guide to follow

[covert schooner]

People will make guides with the leaks

they leaked everything

its sad

so boring people suck

Hey question, If I'm only using one shiv not talented into the two for some bosses do I use it right after shiv, right before, or 6 seconds at the end with vanish

[blazing pumice]

at the end, you want to maximise kingsbane damage

[covert schooner]

okay ty

[grim jay]

Well 3k aint high

People think they need top100 people for their keys

[covert schooner]

Dang dont need to toast the guy

[snow kindle]

3k is high for 6s lmao.

[grim jay]

In smart peoples minds yes

But thats also the issue

[covert schooner]

I get into 10's and it goes fine, no weird stuff. The second you step into 11+s + you get people that watch MDI and think they can do it in a pug, no warning, no mdt, no nothing

Its so odd

Like we're all geared to the teeth at this point, why do weird routes in a pug

[snow kindle]

i have to bribe ppl into getting into groups

if you out dps me ill give you 20k

and then i instantly get invited

actually worked mutiltple times surprisingly

[covert schooner]

I just find people that want to do multiple runs, like I'll run my keys be picky and just push

meet new people, have fun in keys

In SL Plaugefall that first Green boss where he spawns the green globs, we were 2 keys behind the top in the world, and they thought I could blind all of them

and didnt bring any other CC

then called me trash over discord

Didnt realize blind is a long CD

[grim jay]

You can also try telling them that you are an egirl

And need help

I know someone that did that

And it seemed to work

[subtle tundra]

hey, if you played the boss correctly you only got 1 add cause you had so much dps

[covert schooner]

The tank wouldn't even kite the boss

had no awareness

His key was bricked, I was happy and went along with my day while he was seething for not knowing how to setup the comp

[gloomy heart]

what if it’s all enhance shamans

u going broke or what

[subtle tundra]

the average enha is dogshit

[gloomy heart]

which class has the most dogshitters

[subtle tundra]

any fotm

but enha i guess is especially punishing if played wrong

[covert schooner]

The one with the highest player count

This is shamans xpac if played right

on all specs

[patent elk]

can you play wrong

outside of cd's maybe

[covert schooner]

Its more complicated than a lot of classes

like paly is brain dead compared

[subtle tundra]

yes

[placid radish]

augvoker

[subtle tundra]

enha has a pretty high skill ceiling

[gloomy heart]

is mage fotm

[subtle tundra]

your average enha wont pool tempest for next pack

[covert schooner]

So I know when to use vanish in the opener, do you use it that way throughout the entire fight?

[gloomy heart]

yep

[placid radish]

mage is very solid right now

[gloomy heart]

i am a mage now

soon

[covert schooner]

sorry to specify, the double vanish talent

[gloomy heart]

only 627

[covert schooner]

sitll sakme?

[gloomy heart]

thought you were talking about raid

what are u saying exactly i skimmed half of this chat

[covert schooner]

I just don't know when I should hold off my second cd for vanish

is it always for for KB

[gloomy heart]

in m+?

[covert schooner]

yeah

or big packs maybe

[gloomy heart]

ngl me personally, i’ll use one big pull with dmark everything and vanish that but

usually i use vanish for chainpulling

[covert schooner]

gotcha

[gloomy heart]

that’s just me, ask varas they are way better and smarter

@subtle tundra

[subtle tundra]

what the hell

thasnmks!

you always vanish with deathmark

[covert schooner]

okay

[subtle tundra]

and then you have additional vanish for whatever you want

silences, redots

just be careful to manage its cd properly

[gloomy heart]

Yeah see i’m bad HAHA

[covert schooner]

I usually use it on things with huge health to improve garrote

[gloomy heart]

I use vanish rarely
on dmark bc i’m lazy

[subtle tundra]

you use it for master assassin in deathmark

[gloomy heart]

i also do low keys instead of 12+

i only do 8-10s with gf

[covert schooner]

whats a gf

[subtle tundra]

yea and i do 17s and dont have a gf
who is winning

[covert schooner]

def me

[gloomy heart]

me….

i am a mage 🧙‍♂️

[subtle tundra]

...exactly

NO

BAD MAGE

[gloomy heart]

no be friendly

i love rogues

[covert schooner]

11's and no gf

[gloomy heart]

i’d main team with a rogue

i’m not frost (loser
spec)

i’m fire (gigachad)

[covert schooner]

GIGA

[subtle tundra]

i think its fine to play whatever mage spec you want

multi speccing is nice

except when its rogue

[gloomy heart]

Yes ofc i just wanna get geared first

[subtle tundra]

fuck outlaw

[gloomy heart]

outlaw is boring idc what anyone says

sub is too only fun in raid

[subtle tundra]

i like sub for shadow dance management

[gloomy heart]

i like fire bc kaboom 💥 pow 💥

Yeah i used to play sub in pvp

Now it sucks

Plus mage is a lot of instant damage and not a ton of ramping

[subtle tundra]

man i have better logs on broodtwister on both my alts(625 and 628 ilvl) than on rogue, cant parse that shit in main raid

😠

[gloomy heart]

Yeah my parses on everything are horse shit

but that’s bc i’m new to pve

i will parse soon

[subtle tundra]

i almost got a rank1 sikran yesterday 😠

but rank 1 has PI and i didnt

[gloomy heart]

I need sikran on my mage bis boots drop from him

[glacial stump]

What classes are your alts?

[subtle tundra]

ret and ww

[gloomy heart]

but guild i’m in is struggling

i can lfg 4/8 in rogue in 2 hours but take 4 hours to go 2/8 with guild

[subtle tundra]

thats a change guild angle

if youre staying cause you like the people, theres always people you will enjoy in other guilds aswell

[gloomy heart]

i don’t rlly “like” them i just met them haha, never voiced with them either

gonna raid on saturday if we do or don’t kill sikran im leaving anyways

i don’t wanna struggle on bosses

I want real prog

[thin haven]

If I have 5/6/7 combo points leftover from a previous pack, what should be my first cast on next pack? Do we still Ambush first or do we Rupture -> Rupture (depending on Bonespike) -> Garrote?

[balmy condor]

If you have darkest night you shouldn’t be ambushing in the first place

So I guess rup rup gar gar

[glacial stump]

gar gar 🦁

[snow quest]

what's the range for indiscriminate carnage and is it an area around the target or around the player?

[thin haven]

Thanks 😊

[balmy condor]

It’s a dual check, primary is I think 12? Yards from the target, then a secondary small check within melee of the player

[snow quest]

when I tried on dummies in dornagal I can't make it not hit the dummies

they are pretty tightly stacked though

not sure I understand what that second check does

I don't think I can be in melee range of one and not be within 12 yds of the furthest one, so maybe it checks out with 12 yds

[manic sphinx]

isn't this contradictory?

prog means struggling on bosses 😬

[gloomy heart]

i want to prog on harder bosses

like court

[manic sphinx]

but if ur guild is failing on that boss, it is a harder boss 😅

[gloomy heart]

i’ve killed it on my main rog

my mage is guild raiding

[manic sphinx]

yea, nvm me, just killing time

[gloomy heart]

so alt treatment basically

[clever sapphire]

i think i get him, he probably wants to prog on bosses thats a prog for him

[manic sphinx]

i need to read up more rogue stuff - still struggling

Yea i know, I got it

[gloomy heart]

Yes

I’ve killed sikran and rash already they are proggin on it

[clever sapphire]

i found my way of progging princess

when i get a charge i just do a few pushups while waiting outside

imma be a beast by the end of princess prog

[gloomy heart]

I’m just gearing mage bc it seems ppl want more casters than melee rn

prob bc there’s 4000 rets and enhas

[clever sapphire]

well bosses suck with too many melee

[gloomy heart]

yeah that too

[earnest remnant]

Kyveza challenge 14 melee dps

[worldly sail]

charges are cool as rogue

press cloak, remove the whole orb mechanic

[clever sapphire]

14 melee dps, 4 melee healers,

[royal lantern]

just dont get targeted in the first place

[worldly sail]

if that happens, someone wipes the raid

[subtle tundra]

you might be onto something

[rotund oak]

mage poggers

[rotund oak]

14 sub rogues

she's gonna melt

[subtle tundra]

ill make her melt...

with pleasure

😉

YES I HIT ON KYVEZA LET ME HIT THAT REGIUSSY

[rotund oak]

sub is pumping btw

should def try

[subtle tundra]

thats great for them

[worldly sail]

S BTLETY

[subtle tundra]

i wont try

[rotund oak]

thats some irony with the luls coming from a pirate

[worldly sail]

didnt know sin is pirate now

[rotund oak]

idk i see yellow

[subtle tundra]

yellow -> opinion rejected

[worldly sail]

filtered by 0,8s gcd

[subtle tundra]

oh you have the haste for .8 gcd?

🤣

[rotund oak]

😂

memes all over the place

[royal lantern]

the secret of high parses

[worldly wave]

Hi

Anyone else finda his dos falling vehind after opener

I get my opener to 3 mil dps

Bzt then dpa jsut starts falling

On mythic bosses i am lucky to have 1 mil in the end

Geting from 1st place to 10th

Anyobe else has similar issues?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TPKhjz91tnqWMRd2#fight=3&type=damage-done

[royal lantern]

assa is a cd burst spec

you do dmg durung cds

if boss dies a while after your cds, you will look kinda bad

[worldly wave]

I see

So all those high parses just have really good groups that take bosses down faster

Thus their dps looks better

Pretry sure they hace envokers in group also

[clever sapphire]

looking at bloodbound i can see a few mistakes

your opener looks aight, could use a bit of work (like unnecessary fok as first builder)

but after that you seem to get jumbled up a lot

forget to press 2nd shiv

lose a lot of uptime, never press dm a 3rd time, vanish during a raw kb (aka without dm)

you lost your hero tree for a while also

[subtle tundra]

yes hero talent is really important

also: you used cloak randomly

you save it for the run away thing

[clever sapphire]

eh maybe his healers sucked and he needed it to survive

[subtle tundra]

he evasion cloaked

at the same time

panick press

[clever sapphire]

aye

usually happens when scared because you dont know whats coming

its a waste but atleast he didnt die

[subtle tundra]

then you didnt get envenom for next deathmark

didnt shiv as murlock said

(2nd one)

and lastly: long fucking kill timer

[clever sapphire]

same on ulgrax, you just didnt have your mark for half the fight

[subtle tundra]

5:39 is more than double my kill timer

and pretty far away from last cd usage

[clever sapphire]

aight you flexer (but same, i didnt have that kill time with 615 ilvl)

[subtle tundra]

just pointing out why parse is even lower

theres crazy kill timers already

[clever sapphire]

i mean it wouldnt be that bad, but his last dm was at around 2 minutes

unless im blind

[subtle tundra]

did he not dm a 3rd time?

also idk how much dmg % buff he has

that matters too

[clever sapphire]

oh ye that also exists...

[clever sapphire]

i mean i didnt see it

[subtle tundra]

but plenty of shit to fix before that

[clever sapphire]

2 casts

so im not blind

[subtle tundra]

yea... he didnt press deathmark

so much to fix

so yea its not the spec

its him

😉

[clever sapphire]

@worldly wave so ye, take all the things we pointed out and work on that

many of these things will get fixed when you get more comfy with the spec and stop panicking

imma assume a lot of mistakes happened because of panic because your opener was correct tbh

[wooden otter]

you can dodge this mechanic with cos?

[subtle tundra]

You immune it

[wooden otter]

so you can stay dps the boss and immune it with first second of cos?

[subtle tundra]

With any second

[wooden otter]

nice, ty for tip

[subtle tundra]

The first second thing is a rare interaction

[wooden otter]

new to rogue 🙂 i know it workrs in NW first boss

just 1st second

[worldly wave]

Awesome thabk you for all thus rpecious info

[soft scaffold]

!trick

[worldly wave]

We are a bit new to the mythic difficulty so no lying here, fights are sometimes abit panicked

How do you keep da mark on ulfrax when he flies away?

[grim jay]

You dont

[worldly wave]

Can i stay and dps wirh cos when eceryone runs away?

[grim jay]

You hold darkest night and apply it to the adds

[worldly wave]

Aha

Alright

Do you use 1 round of kinfsbane on adds also?

[grim jay]

I dont bcs they die fast af anyways

There probably is no guild slow enough for it to be worth

[clever sapphire]

aye

[clever sapphire]

they didnt live for me when we were 615 ilvl and not even close to good gear

so imma assume it wont work for you either

just send it all on boss

[worldly wave]

Alright

[clever sapphire]

i like transfering the mark from boss to the add that moves around

bit more dmg and i get more mark value

[worldly wave]

Tnx for all the tips guys

Now to out them in use 😁

[shell turret]

5 man shiv bad? hello dum rogue here

[solar wyvern]

Arterial precision? Its good in ST, decent in AoE cleave, but right now theres just better choices for full m+/AoE

[royal lantern]

^ could not say it better

[pastel onyx]

did anyone have a problem on ovinax, with dosage debuff just popping much earlier than others

although it only happens to one person who is a wl, so prob should ask at their discord

[royal lantern]

thats the circle right?

[pastel onyx]

ye

it can pop 1 sec befor others

[royal lantern]

that.... Sounds weird?

[pastel onyx]

or just insta

its our rl too

xd

like this

i tried to look into events, but like nothing sus

happening

although i dont think it happened before re rerolled into dracthyr

[solar wyvern]

That is actually very strange

Only the warlock has this issue?

[pastel onyx]

ye

[solar wyvern]

What are they doing during that moment in time? Anything in particular

[pastel onyx]

here too

nothing rly

i checked events

it just

eeh

pops

also his vantus rune disappears randomly

and sometimes flask

xdd

i think he is cursed

[solar wyvern]

Yeah thats a contact support angle lol

Sounds like his char is bugged

[pure moth]

nahh can't be anymore cursed than me. I used the ritual knife early on and the negative effect kept popping during pull with the cds/lust. it also popped during next round of cds. super cursed; i stopped using the trinket

[solar wyvern]

That is indeed hella cursed

[pastel onyx]

i think its bettern than wiping cuz there is no second debuff to pop eggs

[worldly wave]

Can cos also be used to buble webs on ulgurax?

[solar wyvern]

Yeah you can be a web cleaner with cloak

Just be careful nobody is standing too close because they can still web them while you clear

[worldly wave]

I see, ty 😊

[grim jay]

Nah, just bench him and move on

He can raid lead via stream

[soft surge]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[shell turret]

whats better ... ass with outlaw gear or outlaw with ass gear (weapons not included)

[novel star]

first one

sin doesn’t really care about stats at all

outlaw does

[shell turret]

cool ty

[little tulip]

any idea why the shiv macro wouldn't work?

copied it into a char specific and saved, shows the tooltip

[pale socket]

doesn't work for me either. doing some searching, it was suspected that knowing the original recipe for Thistle Tea might break it, but I've not found anything definitive

I just took it out of the castsequence and am careful about overspamming shiv

It did occasionally work, but obviously that won't do

[stark scroll]

hahah

outlaw with ass gear

hahahaha

https://c.tenor.com/GwTRUJal39sAAAAM/cat-happy-cat.gif

[stark scroll]

Mine works about fifty percent of the time

[little tulip]

maybe some addon/wa gets it working

weird tho

i haven't tea'd a shiv in over a month and it's been okay i guess

[trim night]

hello! Is there a way for me to disable Thistle Tea being auto consumend when low on energy?

[spice surge]

No

But it doesnt really matter anyway

[trim night]

how come it doesnt matter? I am asking because somehow it screws me over...

[spice surge]

Because it doesnt screw you over

[coral ibex]

you’re screwing yourself by spamming away your energy

don’t spam

[spice surge]

Theres very very little difference between it auto proccing and using it manually

Like 0.1-0.2%

[trim night]

well i am a new assass rogue true. and i do see clear problems from my logs yet i dont know hjow to fix them

lets say in a raid scenario on a ST mainly. I have much less envenoms casted, 2x less. but 2x more mutilates casted (i do upkeep rupture ofc)

with that said if i dont cast mutilate and ambush on proc then i just dont have enought combos for envenom

but if i spam to make combos i dont have energy

and im in a loop where my rupture comes out as a top dmg dealer for the fight which shouldnt ever be

further more to bring the point back, i notice when ever i get to align my kings bane shiv and deathmark, i dont have thistles nor energy to capitalize at all

now that said, i by no means am new to wow, i main/mained WW at the pretty high level but assass so far feels incredible sloppy in my hands

all advice appreciated

[subtle tundra]

Youre doing something major wrong

[lethal turtle]

Are you not sending Envenom on 5+ combo pts. The only thing in my head that would cause this is you mutilating on 5/6 CP's to go to 7 every time

[solar wyvern]

Do you just mash envenom, or do you build cp to 5+ and then wait till envenom is closer to dropping off?

[trim night]

i try to get envenom to be 6 or more every time

[solar wyvern]

There are times where you afk on this spec

+5 is much more reliable

[slate crown]

!design - Moroes just sitting in the corner twiddling his thumbs

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[lethal turtle]

Yeah just rip your finishers at 5+ do not generate more if you sitting at 5 CP's unless you need to consume the DN buff

[trim night]

wait this might be super dumb to ask but ill go for it anyway: envenom has 7 sec dot, do i ever overlap more than 1 or always refresh envenom on 1sec?

[thorn fjord]

We're not doing that anymore

[solar wyvern]

Well, sometimes you do

The most important thing is to maximize envenom uptime, the buff itself

And since we play ttk its beneficial to press it more and overlap

Since you can have 2 stacks running, but if you're lower on energy its not harmful to pause and do a short 1-2 global afk for energy

Specs apm is at like what, 54-55 rn?

[lethal turtle]

Pretty muscle memory for me to try to maintain uptime on Envenom buff outside of CD's during CD's I am slapping envenom regardless of debuff time.

Yeah we are grandpa boomer apm

[solar wyvern]

Yeah during cds just mash, and you should have tea during that to aid in mashing

[trim night]

i see, this is very helpful, pls tell me what is ttk stands for as well.

[solar wyvern]

Twist the knife

Talent

Its beside amplifying poison

[lethal turtle]

Very based talent

[solar wyvern]

It definitely made the spec faster haha

[trim night]

aah so that means i upkeep 2 envenoms dots at the same time

[solar wyvern]

Yes, but its not constant

Its more like 160% uptime

[trim night]

i see, so thats more like fail safe talent rather then damage increasing one

[solar wyvern]

Its honestly nothing you even think about unless you're looking to rank 1 parse and clip 20% rapid injections

[lethal turtle]

It def is a ST throughput dmg increase

The effect doubles

[solar wyvern]

If you wanna see the difference, go into top gear and sim improved poisons instead of ttk

Thats what we ran in ST beforehand

It was a pretty big gain

[slate crown]

Envenom isn't a dot, it's a buff applied to your player. ☝️ 🤓

[solar wyvern]

Tru

[royal lantern]

we envenom ourselfs

smort rogues

[trim night]

lol

[solar wyvern]

Cut my life into poisons, this is my fan of knives

[slate crown]

Maybe in your house you accept self-toxicity, but not in mine

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smooth-brain-silly-cute-gif-12951836389394006733

[royal lantern]

you play wow

[slate crown]

[lethal turtle]

Better than playing League

[slate crown]

ya got me

[solar wyvern]

I play both

[lethal turtle]

Oh

[solar wyvern]

What does that make me

[lethal turtle]

You belong in jail

[solar wyvern]

Agreed

[trim night]

thanks a lot for help, now i gotta break it into my fingers 😄

gotta stop mashing after ww 😄

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/death-cat-falls-over-gif-17605935280907017193

[lethal turtle]

Wasn't WW hella downtime spec too, not sure how they play after the haste rework

[solar wyvern]

Yeah its definitely a spec you grow into, once you get a feel for energy management it kinda clicks. At least it did for me

[trim night]

yeah for now its like. I love it. feels very satisfying, but then again i still suck so its gonna get even better

ok but while i have u here can i ask about aoe as i play m+ a lot (mainly)

in this instance i just add crimson tempest to the mix right on 2 or more targets and keep everything else the same?

[royal lantern]

rupture 5targets, CT at 2+ targets, after that cleave with Spatter from your maintarget

[trim night]

with approriate talent changes like for example the one that applies garrote and rupture on more targets and scent of blood

[glacial stump]

Send a log is the best way

[royal lantern]

garrote outside of stealth not really worth it in aoe

thats all tbh

[trim night]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bH9nhNPCaT7gQRtD#fight=25&type=damage-done&source=12

[lethal turtle]

Just becomes a energy resource after the opener

[wet ruin]

you are kinda playing without a hero talent as well, make sure you open with an ambush to apply deathstalker mark

[quartz aurora]

hello guys, i need help about assa rogue on Zekvir hard mode, anyone has done it recently?

[winged sun]

@spice spire is it really worth it to re apply a normal garrote on main target in aoe? is it due to spatter dmg or also energy? considering i have infinite energy

[spice surge]

For priority damage specifically its worth, for overall no

[winged sun]

so if i want overall dps i shouldn't reapply garrote?

only the "initial" garrote

in aoe

yea?

[spice surge]

Like garrote does more than envenom to a single target, but envenom with spatter does more overall

Yes talking about non-stealthed garrotes

[winged sun]

hmm

good good

ty

same goes to rupture kinda right?

@spice surge

but rupture does more

right?

i guess rupture i can easily guess

its pretty rare that i need to not press rupture on a dying target

[spice surge]

Well you need 5 ruptures out for scent

[winged sun]

ye

[spice surge]

But if the target dies right after applying its not worth it

[winged sun]

spreading garrote as much as possible is usually the key in the opener ya?

or is it just not relevant unless tank is grouping up

[solar wyvern]

How many seconds would a mob need to live for rupture to be worth it?

6-8?

Or like 12

[spice surge]

Idk about the exact number but probably like 10ish

[solar wyvern]

Never really thought to ask I've just been kinda feelscrafting it

[glacial stump]

1st point as someone already said, your hero talent deathstalkers mark, top of the tree, should be applied at the start of your opener via ambush, ambush first always to apply the mark otherwise... goodbye dps. 2nd thing, get the opener down and burst from wowhead guide, your energy will flow much better. You also should be consuming your clear the witness proc, another point in your hero tree.

Your aim as sin isnt like sub, you dont NEED to be spamming Envenom as much as you possibly can. Keep your bleeds up be smart with your energy, make sure you go into your DM/KB windows with your dots already ticking, and save your shivs for KB, use them with thistle tea

[crystal glen]

Spatter doesnt proc if you dont have rupture up no?

[spice surge]

Its a good builder but dont waste cp

[winged sun]

ye doesnt

but rupture going down doesnt remove spatter so

thats something to look up for

[solar wyvern]

Yeah a spatter at 8 seconds doesn't go away if rupture drops off

Its very edge cases where thats good info, like a pack living 4-5 more seconds

No use rupturing just fok envenom

[winged sun]

knowing exactly what to do on all situations is the best way to be a really good dpser

u cant just ignore all the details

@midnight mist tell me when ur grp takes break or someshit

wrong channel

[trim night]

Is caustic splatter talent just for Aoe? so bassically raid talents would go with internal bleeding?

[solar wyvern]

Tbh raid has a lot of aoe fight

[dawn anchor]

If there's adds, take Spatter

[solar wyvern]

Internal is basically used only on Kyveza and sikran

And Rashonan if you want to be ethical

[trim night]

i see, got it, makes sense

[royal lantern]

you take spatter if the fight has like, any form of multiple targets

aka

90% of raidfights

[spice spire]

Sorry @winged sun was driving looks like eleem got it though

[pseudo kiln]

I realised takin spatter on Rasha was pointless when all our warrior go BRRRR bladestorm and it just becomes a single target fight for me

[royal lantern]

yeeeha

+most of the time you cant spattee the adds anyway

cus range and stuff

[worldly dock]

is there any crit food or mastery that persist trough death?

[royal lantern]

google hearty food

[humble verge]

i just wanna do other keys

[wet plover]

Stupid question, but could anyone let me know which one is better (Assuming theyre at the same Ilvl)

[humble verge]

but

it really depends

dead eye is better(?) for ST

and crystal for m+

[wet plover]

you right sir

ty

[grim jay]

Which is just plain wrong

[grim jay]

Is the only right answer

[spice spire]

Ur the only right answer

[midnight mist]

do you shiv in aoe

[grim jay]

Didnt someone ask "who should shoot himself?"?

[grim jay]

If you need the prio for whatever reason

Or Pop kb

[spice spire]

Shut the fuck up kitten

[midnight mist]

wdym or pop kb

[grim jay]

If I kb I shiv

[spice spire]

You always wanna shiv with kb

[midnight mist]

in aoe

big aoe

[spice spire]

I mean big aoe

[midnight mist]

since shiv doesnt cleave

[spice spire]

Is initially spreading cleave

And then focusing something down

If the something your focusing is prio

[midnight mist]

idc about prio

[spice spire]

You shiv

[midnight mist]

just overall damage

[spice spire]

If not

It’s been answered

[midnight mist]

it doesnt no /

[humble verge]

yeah thats what i thought

[midnight mist]

?

[spice spire]

Also depends on build

[humble verge]

like

deadeye sims better for me in ST for some reason

but im still just using crystal

[solar wyvern]

If you're playing forced induction yeah shiv is kinda goated

[spice spire]

You’re telling me my initial opener on aoe isn’t spreading bleeds

[midnight mist]

wdym

no im saying shiv doesnt aoe right

[spice spire]

Oh

No

It does not

Shiv for prio or kb only in aoe

That’s it

[midnight mist]

hm

[spice spire]

If you’re going for damooj

Okay Zac I’ll solidify this for you

[slate crown]

imagine going for damooj

[spice spire]

First pull in dawn

[midnight mist]

im not shivving no

we already have too much prio

[spice spire]

What’s the target you’re hitting with all of your st abilities

[midnight mist]

not worth more prio

[midnight mist]

big guy

but

[spice spire]

Okay

And you kb him correct

[midnight mist]

ye i do

[spice spire]

So you shiv final 7s of kb

But assume same pull

0 CDs looking ass

[quartz aurora]

any player who plays with both assa and sub? have a few questions to ask

[spice spire]

You have your bleeds out

[midnight mist]

but surely there is a treshold of targets

[spice spire]

You’re still shiving big guy

[midnight mist]

where its not worth anymore to press shiv right

since its only st damage

or am i ypaping

[uneven plume]

why wont you press shiv?

O.o

[spice spire]

For kb? It would have to be a bit.
For forced induction? It doesn’t exist (afaik)
For generic ass prio

Maybe?

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-cat-yap-yapper-yapping-gif-5642199211123099306

[midnight mist]

i feel like im wasting my time pressing shiv in aoe ye

[spice spire]

I mean you’re yapping a little

[uneven plume]

you doing +8s?

[spice spire]

But

It’s fine

Zac is doing uh

[midnight mist]

no

[uneven plume]

press shiv

[midnight mist]

in 17 sv

[spice spire]

What now

[midnight mist]

my golem

dies

[spice spire]

Oh dog

[midnight mist]

before the end of my cds

[spice spire]

First golem?

[midnight mist]

second

[slate crown]

if your prio target is already dying without shiv then it's fine

[spice spire]

Oh

[midnight mist]

i dont cd first golem anymore

cause it dies even faster

[spice spire]

Usually I have issues with first golem ye

I’d still cd second imo

Shiv*

[uneven plume]

you should send your cds while tank is dragging next golem in

[spice spire]

With kb you’re always shiving tho

[midnight mist]

okok

if you say its more aoe

i trust you

[spice spire]

It’s not more aoe

[midnight mist]

if you lie to me quake

what

[spice spire]

It’s just more damage

[midnight mist]

yes but

does my number increase in aoe

then its more aoe

e

z

[next dust]

i mean it should be more aoe since shiv increases dmg

[spice spire]

Your number increases overall

[midnight mist]

that thing doesnt cleave tho

shiv is like gs

[spice spire]

It doesn’t add to the aoe damage you’re doing.
It adds to the st, but is overall + over that global being what

A fok?

[midnight mist]

ye

[spice spire]

Yeah it’s + damooj

Just not more “aoe”

[midnight mist]

oki i trust you

more aoe becuase more damage

[quartz aurora]

<======== please someone help this poor noob

[next dust]

@midnight mist my thought process was wrong then, i meant like natural dmg spreaded off of main target should be higher as well due to shiv, thats how i thoughbt it

[spice spire]

I’d never lead you astray here young zacari

[midnight mist]

if you lied

[spice spire]

@spice surge this was made for you king

[spice spire]

I’d never king ily

[quartz aurora]

any rogue player in general that has free time on their hands, come VC 🫠

[cloud marsh]

Hey I have a general question related to gearing. I only do M+, and dont raid at all. I have 619s crafted belt and wrists with the lining embellishments and a 636 crafted MH and a 619 hero track NW dagger in the OH.

Should I spend my next 90 gilded crests to craft a second 636 wep (given that I havent touched 10s yet) or should I upgrade wrist or boots to 636

[spice spire]

Wrist or boots

Offhand doesn’t mean a ton

It’s a genuine stat stick with less stats than the other pieces

[cloud marsh]

Thank you for your quick response!

[dusky canopy]

Hello.

What should I look at when analyzing my logs as assa? I am underperforming and dont really know what to look at.

[sinful fable]

So, is there a "new" cookie cutter m+ build? I used to run the old hybrid i think, but im going back to assa to try to grab 3k before season ends. Is the MA 2envenom stack build standard now? Didnt see any new pin info ❤️

[clever sapphire]

wowhead front page is the new basic shit i guess

[clever sapphire]

you can just send in the log and people will generally look at it

but usually if you are executing your CDs well, if you have your hero tree up

ilvl and kill time

[dusky canopy]

Gotcha. I will give it a go myself but also drop it. Thanks for your help :))

If anyone at all would like to take a look i'd deeply appreciate it. Char = Mirandanas
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/d1zZXJMpb2tf9CWF#fight=23&type=damage-done

[sinful fable]

@clever sapphire sorry If im slow, just got off a 18hour shift so brain is fried, but was this a "check wowhead guide" or somethibg else? Sorry If im being a dumdum

[clever sapphire]

aye its this

you can swap sudden demise for twist the knife for more st

[sinful fable]

Oh alroght, thanks! Double vanish huh? Cool, doesnt look that different

[clever sapphire]

you can take lethality instead of double vanish

preference thing

i dont take double vanish in keys like mists where there are no chain pulls or a need for 2nd vanish

[sinful fable]

Should play somewhat similar to old hybrid from rhe looks of it

[clever sapphire]

biggest change is subterfuge and master assa to the build

since subter now extends your shit so now you can have 12 sec of master assa

[sinful fable]

Yeah saw those

[clever sapphire]

or 12 sec of IC

[torn mist]

pick double vanish if you are tired of chain pulls

[sinful fable]

Does this change how we play from pack to pack or just gets more benefit for longer?

[clever sapphire]

right off the bat, it seems like you are running an outdated build

[clever sapphire]

you can vanish when kb has 12 sec left so you cover all of kb

and you dont need to open with ambush since you have 6 seconds of subterfuge to press ambush

i guess thats about it?

[dusky canopy]

I will update accordingly.

[sinful fable]

Oh nice, cheers!

[clever sapphire]

just go onto wowhead and get the normal ST raidbuild, with that build your opener also changes a bit so would also look at that

for example, you dont double garrote, you also didnt envenom before your KB meaning your first few seconds of kb didnt have envenom buff, you didnt have slice and dice applied so even more loss

also you pressed shiv after kb (fok is useless there also a waste unless its to proc "clear the witnesses")

with the new build you will want to vanish last 6 seconds of KB so you get the master assa buff

here you did it correctly

you had envenom up and shiv up before kb

[cursive marsh]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dusky canopy]

Okay so, Envenom + shiv before KB, vanish last 6s of KB, dont double garrote.

[clever sapphire]

at your 2nd dm you did the same mistake

no envenom buff before and late shiv

so in general check up the new buid/rotation on wowhead and get used to that

should help out with that

[subtle tundra]

I take it there cause it's really good. Gives me big value from vanish idk

[dusky canopy]

Appreciate your help a lot. Where do I find this tool on wlogs?

[subtle tundra]

I can explain but I won't!

Hop on my stream later if you care!

[clever sapphire]

select your character, go to casts and select timelines

[dusky canopy]

Thank you a lot ❤️

[clever sapphire]

im just a casual weekly key player

i wouldnt know

(i gave up because i didnt get invited to 13s and i dont wanna bother doing my own key )

[spice surge]

https://open.spotify.com/track/07q0QVgO56EorrSGHC48y3?si=557be44a2be2405f

(respectfully)

[broken moth]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[trim night]

well i wanna thank you all for help my dps went from 600k to 1.1m 🙂 after using all the tips and better understanding the spec thanks to yall who helped 🙂

[spice surge]

Gj man

[novel star]

Holy insane increase W shit

[shy axle]

if you are playing the Ma m+ specc and in a st situation, do you use muti or ambush during subterfuge outside of the opener?

[novel star]

doesn’t matter

put ambush on the same button for your stealth bar that mut is on ur main bar

and then ignore it

sending ambushes instead of mutilates is like technically theoretically worse but iirc it’s within margin of error in sims so just super irrelevant

[shy axle]

ty

[novel star]

🫡

[fathom minnow]

yo dudes, if u would run +5 key as assa ful geared. What build will u use?

i need it for tournament great push standards

[novel star]

i wouldn’t run a +5 but if i had to id run the bleed one

from wowhead

[fathom minnow]

very low keys, big packs, into bosses

[split veldt]

does subterfuge change the M+ playstyle? thinking about trying it

[novel star]

playstyle not really

you do the same things just for longer

longer window to use iron wire / carnage

i guess you talent MA and vanish for that on bosses

[split veldt]

why does the most popular build on archon not take iron wire?

[novel star]

m+ players are drooling fucking worthless idiots

and top key gamers have spread the idea that it’s acceptable to drop iron wire

that’s why

[split veldt]

hmm

[novel star]

it’s like 1.5% dps or something to drop IW and it’s the one of the best utility talents in the game

[royal lantern]

cus m+ players are legit some of the biggest idiots on the planet

[novel star]

not even remotely worth it

[split veldt]

do we still vanish envenom? is that still a thing?

[royal lantern]

oh, he allready said that

[novel star]

no? unless you mean fatebound

[blissful pecan]

During second queensbane where kyveza stands at middle, can i just stand next to her and cloak it? Or does this make portal somewhere near

[novel star]

you vanish for master assassin to cover the last 6/12 sec of your kingsbane (no subt/2 subt)

[snow kindle]

the portal always goes behind you

or the clone rather

[royal lantern]

ofc you need to move

[novel star]

on bosses

on trash you vanish for carnage or iron wire

[gleaming spire]

Its fine to play MA instead of ironwire in a few dungeons especially with protection pally being the meta tank

[novel star]

the decision isn’t between ma and iron wire man

you take ma either way

[royal lantern]

you play MA regrdless

[novel star]

stop type :(

[royal lantern]

NO

[arctic socket]

Ma bis

[novel star]

not u lol

[arctic socket]

We drop sbs or sd

Or sb

[gleaming spire]

Sudden demise goes to MA

[novel star]

indeed

[gleaming spire]

Twist the knife can be swapped for iron and MA

[split veldt]

how many garrotes and ruptures are yall doing before starting the spatter spam

[arctic socket]

There’s plenty of builds you can slap

[vivid mulch]

well 5+ targets

you do 2 garrotes and 2 ruptures

[split veldt]

yeah big packs

[novel star]

what is the other talent ur just auto taking here and not removing

sanguine?

[arctic socket]

Iron wire tho is like a staple and should rly always take it

[gleaming spire]

Sanguine is very good in aoe

[vivid mulch]

I pick TTK over wire

Prolly griefing my group a bit with that

[arctic socket]

That can be kinda troll

[novel star]

it’s okay and it’s a loss on bosses

[arctic socket]

If you don’t have a set up group

[novel star]

so

[vivid mulch]

I mean 8's it doesn't really matter

right

higher keys true

[gleaming spire]

Right

[novel star]

not sure i agree with insta perma taking sanguine

but doesn’t really matter i guess

[arctic socket]

Ttk prob ain’t getting much value in a 8

Lmao

[vivid mulch]

Ofc it does

[arctic socket]

[novel star]

confusing to desperately want ttk+ma for boss damage and then also take sanguine to gain 0 value except negative

[gleaming spire]

Probably more than sanguine blades in an 8

[novel star]

on bosses

instead of SD

[arctic socket]

If we’re talking in low keys

[gleaming spire]

Ttk is also valuable in aoe

[arctic socket]

SD blasts ttk / sb

[novel star]

whatever man

[vivid mulch]

Yeah i should pick SD in 8's ngl

Should be more dmg

[arctic socket]

The value in aoe for ttk in like

8s

Low af

[novel star]

i already want to kill myself talking to m+ players this early in the day

[arctic socket]

Nothing lives long enough for it to matter

[novel star]

jesus fucking christ

[arctic socket]

A lot more damage

[vivid mulch]

Damn

[arctic socket]

Sd pads

[novel star]

nerf assa please

i cant take this anymore

[vivid mulch]

Buff assa

[gleaming spire]

You will love brother

I promise it will be okay

[vivid mulch]

I can show you my build rq

[winged sun]

Bro ur name is cursed

[arctic socket]

Sure

[winged sun]

My chair started floating looking at ur pfp too wtf

[vivid mulch]

im 626 atm

[winged sun]

Also buff rogue

[arctic socket]

I have tried to like

[winged sun]

Ty blizz

[arctic socket]

Understand what @novel star pfp is

But gave up

[split veldt]

one more thing and ill leave you alone lmao, can you link me your build, since archon cant be trusted

[vivid mulch]

So thats what i was running

The usual

[gleaming spire]

Looks good

[vivid mulch]

But i guess TTK over SD

in lower keys

[arctic socket]

Drop ttk

And use sd

Yeah

[vivid mulch]

But higher keys

Back to TTK and then use iron wire

[gleaming spire]

Yee SD value is great on fast pulls

[vivid mulch]

I just dont know what to remove

[arctic socket]

You would drop sanguine blades

For it

[vivid mulch]

oh yeah ok

But would that be 10+ and up

or 12+ and up

[spice spire]

Whatever and up

If you feel the need to take ttk sb is one of the first things you’d drop

Because you’re actively saying you need more st

And sb is an st drainer

[vivid mulch]

Ah yeah

[arctic socket]

12 n up is when I start taking ttk

Anything below that dies fast

[spice spire]

Honestly ttk without dashing feels kind of dog shit.
I do like the FI build more than I thought I would

[gleaming spire]

Definitely feel some starvation on st with no dashing ttk

[novel star]

[novel star]

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yameii online - candy

[novel star]

!guide i just use the hybrid one from wowhead and change points between ttk/sd based on vibes

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[timber sage]

Yea idk feels so greedy to see top m+ rogues playing without iron wire

[novel star]

if you play at the omega top world first key type shit level it can kind of make sense but even then damage is almost never what decides a key being timed or not

[spice spire]

They have a full coordinated group with a tank that has 600000 kicks

They can afford it

[novel star]

the problem is that theres like probably less than 10 rogues in the world

who should be doing that

and instead we have hundreds if not thousands of shitters doing weekly vault keys

[timber sage]

Thats my thought process

[novel star]

copying their no iron wire idea

[timber sage]

I tend to just float 1-2 talents around between sanguine, TTK and SD

[gloomy heart]

very enjoyable rn

[timber sage]

I see some ppl dropping MA aswell idk how bad that hurts ur overall

[novel star]

dropping ma is pretty bad

when ur playing subterfuge

12s of ma is giga