assassination

[humble verge]

yeah i literally exited raid and got someone on standby to take my spot KEK

dont need anything from blood anyways

[coral ibex]

insane assignment for an assa rogue

[humble verge]

true dat

any range makes sense

maybe shaman makes sense

but why pick me

[worldly sail]

my bloodbound damage breakdown from yesterday, the only reason i hit that hard on harbinger was because i had a DN up and i wanted to get another DN (idk if thats even worth)

putting sin on add duty sounds weirdge

[humble verge]

yeah ive started ignoring the adds entirely

[coral ibex]

i only swap on blood if i have DN as the adds spawn

[humble verge]

we SHOULD have enough damage

where like

[coral ibex]

otherwise i just back up and make it look like im hitting the adds

[humble verge]

6 dps can do it without me

[coral ibex]

but really i’m just hitting the boss

[humble verge]

jesus you guys kill it way quicker than us sadge

well i think we did have some wipes in this one

[royal lantern]

it doesnt really make a big difference in the end, thats why

[humble verge]

my purple log from last week

[nova python]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[coral ibex]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XTvHMbFkrYQPAyCB#fight=7&type=damage-done

my last kill

[worldly sail]

im also an internal bleeding believer

[humble verge]

yeah so am i

i am running it on ST

idk if like

running CS on blood would do any extra damage in intermission

[alpine vapor]

Hello rogue friends, regarding bubbling wax. Does it matter if it's on main or off hand?

[humble verge]

just use mana oil

[alpine vapor]

I'm poor

[humble verge]

how poor

[novel star]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling wax:

• Can be pickpocketed from kobolds in e.g. The Ringing Deeps. (needs The Final Candle questline completed.)
• Only use it on one weapon. (does not stack)

[alpine vapor]

Stealing from kobolds poor

[novel star]

don’t think mh oh matters

as long as one is wax and one is a regular oil/whetstone buff

[humble verge]

dont see any reason to use wax tho

i feel

when it procs

[novel star]

it used to matter when it was mega bugged but now it’s not ? i think?

[humble verge]

it procs at the worst times

yeah

[novel star]

chase they want to save gold idk who cares

it’s all shit damage anyway

[humble verge]

mana oil is like what

40g for t2

[novel star]

consumables are a joke

[humble verge]

??

[novel star]

150+ on na

[humble verge]

or T2?

[alpine vapor]

Thank you

[humble verge]

jesus

[novel star]

yes

[humble verge]

im paying 150 for T3

[rotund oak]

if u do ur weeklies alone,in the map with the special quests and get couple of rewards its about 15k gold in total(not mentioning max rep chests etc).U can easily buy whetstones now

[alpine vapor]

Yeah it's 140-150g for r2

[novel star]

i recently switched to t3 whetstones over t2 oils

[humble verge]

yall are getting scammed

[novel star]

because they were cheaper

by like 10g

[humble verge]

t3 whetstones are like

[alpine vapor]

Cool, but I don't want to do dogshit content

[humble verge]

700 or something

kek

[coral ibex]

you’re stealing from kobolds buddy

[humble verge]

nvm

460

[coral ibex]

are you sure

[raven egret]

I happily steal from kobolds

[humble verge]

damn

mana oil is actually 130 r3

100 for r2

[rotund oak]

i just craft everything for myself,i dont buy anything but got all professions and a heavily stacked druid gatherer

[alpine vapor]

Same, it takes 5min for two weeks worth of wax

[royal lantern]

its ok, we dont take candle

[raven egret]

yeah, we just taking excess surplus they don't need

[novel star]

it also takes an hour to do a heroic raid boost for like 150k

[humble verge]

the availability for r3 is atleast a lot

[coral ibex]

or if you have a job just buy a token

[novel star]

why buy token when i can buy alcohol

[coral ibex]

both

[rotund oak]

they arent rly worth crafting,those are most likely leftover stock that no one is gonna ever buy

[coral ibex]

[rotund oak]

oils sucks

[raven egret]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[alpine vapor]

Buddy I'm using dragonflight flasks because they are 15g and give % based effects, you don't understand my level of not wanting to farm gold

[novel star]

brother whetstones suck too, every consumable fucking sucks

it doesn’t matter

[coral ibex]

[raven egret]

very much this, they are all abysmally underwhelming

[coral ibex]

bro just buy a token

[alpine vapor]

Wanna PayPal me 20 bucks?

[coral ibex]

get a job xd

[rotund oak]

whetstones suck less and are more cost efficient than oils though 😉

even if u craft them

oils suck

bad

like rly bad

[royal lantern]

tbh, on EU servers R3 whetsstones are barely different at this point

[royal lantern]

sstop making shit up

it doessnt make a difference

and you know that

0,2% difference is "sucks really bad" btw

[rotund oak]

not it terms of dmg.. im talking about the actual cost of it..

its more expensive and does less,marginally but still less

[novel star]

whetstones suck less by like 0.2 man

yea tyran said it alr

[rotund oak]

whetstones also cost less

stop assuming sht plz

[novel star]

then what was the point of adding this message you dolt

“even if you craft them” (even if you ignore gold cost)

[ionic pumice]

How should i deal with super charger for example igot 2combo points and igot 1supercharger charge should i use it or should i go to 5 combo points then use it

[novel star]

they suck

[rotund oak]

coz thats the whole point of it,and watch ur mouth

[novel star]

according to u

[royal lantern]

you ignore it exists

[novel star]

so what about them sucks ignoring the gold cost

[rotund oak]

the point is that they suck coz they are both inefficient as a cost and dmg

they are just worse

hence they suck

bad,rly bad

f are u even talking about

[novel star]

ya the point value from supercharger goes over the cap so you can just follow normal finish at 5/7 rules and it’s fine

finishing early vs finishing normally makes no real difference

whatever makes you happy

[haughty shoal]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[spice spire]

What if u make me happy

[novel star]

makes out with you sloppy style

[spice spire]

[proper hare]

thoughts on taking a pint out from master assasin and IB to get CT for rashanan? cant use spatter there anyways

point*

[novel star]

terrible

way too much sacrifice for like 5 casts of ct that barely get to tick

if you wanna do add damage get your rl to fix the strat

and place adds closer

otherwise ib and vibe

[proper hare]

saw some chinese gamer do it so would just like to test it

[novel star]

then test it and report back idk

[nimble vector]

if you take ct on rashanan you should get banned I think

[novel star]

but it’s going to be bad

[humble verge]

finally

[proper hare]

based

[humble verge]

i didnt get it last week

fuckign tank took it

[ivory kernel]

It’s a long dot the group should be nuking the adds before you’d get good use out of CT

[novel star]

well u would be taking it for boss damage i just don’t think you can cast it enough for it to be relevant

vs ma ib boss damage

[humble verge]

i wonder if i should just wear this for raid or not

i have 2 of these in my bag lmao

but im losing dawnthread

[proper hare]

ima try it, its not prog anyways

[novel star]

[humble verge]

dats what im doing rn

[novel star]

[humble verge]

its probbaly not worth

but idk

also simming to remove my crafted dagger too

[little tulip]

is 20% crit/59% mast okay or should i move stuff around for more crit?

[proper hare]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[humble verge]

well

[little tulip]

yea crit = mastery just curious

[humble verge]

as long as youre under penalty

its good

f.exp

[proper hare]

630 chillin

[little tulip]

ye 630 i feel bad going for fat crits at 20%

[proper hare]

raidbuffets etc atm so inflalted

[little tulip]

better off using the garrote cp to setup another 5 instead of rolling for a crit with current stats

[humble verge]

eh, im 636

most of my haste comes from sikran neck

[little tulip]

free haste lol

i have a hero trailspinners to recover but emergency stop currently, was reason for asking lol

[humble verge]

without neck 😭

[little tulip]

fibbed a lil

also i got myth spyglass but who tracks that lol....

[humble verge]

dk

i have had no myth rings or trinkets until this week lul

got siege ring atleast this week which is big

[little tulip]

i rolled a balance druid

[humble verge]

😬

idk

i rarely play with boomies but we somehow have 2 in guild

[rotund oak]

the owl is kinda cool now but dunno about long term

why not a mage

or a lock

[humble verge]

just reroll fotm

zzz

[rotund oak]

yup

[humble verge]

enhance and git gud

[little tulip]

we have a really good lock doing rl/keys

and mage stinky

[rotund oak]

mage is godlike

[humble verge]

idk like

[rotund oak]

and u can be better than ur lock

[humble verge]

i cant see where lock brings anything to an m+

besides CR

[proper hare]

wiped but its already doing 40 mill vs 4 mil from ib

[humble verge]

and damage potential

[rotund oak]

does alot of dmg destro is legit

and demo ofc

[humble verge]

also, i guess lock is good for mists

to pull through walls

but if you have a good enough priest

[little tulip]

eats large packs, good st based on spec

[humble verge]

he MCs and pulls through with pet

[rotund oak]

its generally a good class for pve

dont ask what im doing to them in arena though

[little tulip]

idk timewarp just makes them less valued

but extra heal an battle res isn't bad

[rotund oak]

mage is the best class in the game though

thats a given

[humble verge]

atleast ure not playing rogue amirite

[rotund oak]

no comparison,mage just better

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/xmirambox-gif-10813701303452996218

me when i get invited to 14 and 15s

knowing have no util

and just damage

[little tulip]

i mean i got a 77% parse on h kyveza in a 5 minute kill yesteryesterday

life is okay

[deep gyro]

Yikes

[little tulip]

[humble verge]

ive forgotten about my heroic logs

i do have orange log on sikran tho

veri najs

🤢

[little tulip]

it would be pretty cool to see 12 dps blasting one time for sure

[humble verge]

man i dont think ill ever get another mythic ovinax kill

[rotund oak]

u dont need to fam

u good

[humble verge]

no

my average is down because of that kill

zz

[rotund oak]

idk tbh

if there is a final reclear u could just blackmail ur priests to get PIs

also Hpallies for BoS

meme ur log

[humble verge]

we have 1 priest

kek

and i dont think ill ever get PI

cause we have UH in our raid

[rotund oak]

what if we make the UH look like a terrible loss

maybe an accident

😅

[little tulip]

i keep getting griefed by satellite internet too but ye okay not bad

[humble verge]

well hm

my logs are way better than him but

besides ovinax>>>>

😭

[royal lantern]

one day i get Court down

maybe today

i doubt it

BUT ONE DAY

[little tulip]

ye my smile and parse gets stuck to the floor at least once a week

[novel star]

poggers

[fading vigil]

oaky question, in terms of keys, mobs at 20%health and above, like 3 mobs or more. Which is more important, Crimson temptest re cast, or deathstalkers mark?

[royal lantern]

CT

in aoe its CT

[fading vigil]

100% of the time?

is 2 mob cleave considered aoe?

[proper hare]

if you think as in court yes

[fading vigil]

okay so i need to prior CT more, i haven't done a good job with that as much in keys

i've been prior DS mark

okay next question, with no CDS and in MT build, what does my ST opener look like, it's like i hit ambush, garrot, hope i'm at 5 or more, then i rupture

and then i'm just doing evnvon and mutilate

and my dps seems like dawg water

[proper hare]

in keys i just stealth into garotte spread and rapture spread into fos ct

but im just a 2600 io enjoyer cause i mainly play calssic wow lmao

and oft muti + envenom for spatter

ofc*

[fading vigil]

ahhh, i just came back to the game lmao, i and at 2750 which it's been a little difficult but wanna make sure i'm doing everything i can on my end

[royal lantern]

2 targets is a bit weird

in full aoe its CT over mark

in lower targets

eeeeeeeeehhhhh

i would say mark again

but you should not let CT drop anyway

[little tulip]

it's not good couple of weeks to pug tanks in 11's in america 😒

you could be over garroting

tap it twice and start envenoming

[fading vigil]

okay 11mist, 1.67 overall, 2 chest you think my CT is kinda low?

i'm 629

surv, ret, and prot pally with monk healer

what is the break down of keys usually, i use to be an outlaw guy came back after s3 of DF and everything has changed for rogue unfort

[proper hare]

this is pre twist the knife changes etc etc only log i had on dawnbreaker +++10

[gloomy heart]

Rets are criminals

Taking all of our damage

[fading vigil]

well, i already ssee your CT is higher than mine

it's over 11% for you

while mine was a 9.6

[cobalt sphinx]

so like the same

[gloomy heart]

Feel like if you press it off cd its just dependent on how long mobs last and how high the key is

[proper hare]

about the same pretty much

[fading vigil]

1.59b total dmg you did

rough estimite off of %

[gloomy heart]

Think ct should be higher than rupture no?

[proper hare]

i was 620 ilvl here tho

probably

im new to retail

was the only log i had

[fading vigil]

my total was 1.92 bill, if i did over 11% like you, my dmg increase roughly 80mil

I do think i am not using CT enough

thanks for the advice!

also, is the double vanish much better?

[shy creek]

Its very useful in general for garrote

Much better, not really

[cobalt sphinx]

that's not how that works

that's not how math works

everything comes with an opportunity cost

you can't just magically increase your crimson tempest damage without it affecting the rest of your abilities

your lower CT damage could just come down to the dungeon, you guys ran different dungeons with different timers and different mob counts

[fading vigil]

Basic math yes, not taking into affect of other abilities, i'm saying if my temptest was over the 11% mark where his was at, i was just asking for a break down what does a rogues overall look like. But yes i agree with you

i'm just taking it at base level quick not going into depth lol

[cobalt sphinx]

i did a dawnbreaker 10 and did about 2m overall and my ct was 9.18%

i did 2.54 in a stonevault and my tempest was 12%

so you aren't gaining any information

[proper hare]

this is a +16 assa rogue in gb

could check out casualaddict on how he plays also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I782jaeXync

[gloomy heart]

feels like ct will do more in more pad dungeons, like NW/SV. less in DB/GB

[fading vigil]

!st

[grim jay]

they dont count

[fading vigil]

i appreciate the input! just trynna blast

[grim jay]

if you get like multiple PIs instead of 1 on your cds

[proper hare]

same

[fading vigil]

okay, raid questions, first boss, do yall put on caustic?

is it worth it?

[shy creek]

No

[fading vigil]

feels like adds are fucking dead by the time i can get a caustic on

[shy creek]

Depends on your raid group, if they suck at AOe put it on

If they don't, stick to kidney

[fading vigil]

and wasted 5-6 CPs

[cobalt sphinx]

caustic should always be up

are you mistaking how caustic works

or are you talking about crimson

[fading vigil]

No the Caustic Spatter talent overthe Internal bleeding one

[cobalt sphinx]

that's always up

[fading vigil]

you have to have poisons on them or rupture

and use mutilate

it's not always up

[cobalt sphinx]

what are we talking about here

raid bosses?

[shy creek]

^

[young nebula]

Hi guys, I have Transmitter, Void-Reapers, Mandate and Shadow-Binding Ritual Knife all at 619, Sim is telling me that Transmitter and Knife are my best, I was under the impression that Transmitter sucks cause of the mini-games

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah you can run caustic on mythic

not on normal or heroic

[young nebula]

I also have a 626 Sac-Brood and 619 Empowering Crystal

[shy creek]

Transmitter sucking is a matter of preference and annoyance but its not bad

Shadow-binding is a good trinket and will sim well, just gets outscaled by 639 options mots of the time

Take whatever sims best

[cobalt sphinx]

do transmitter and knife

[fading vigil]

are bear druids good for keys?

[shy creek]

Depends on the key level, but nothing is all that good compared to paladin and in some cases DH

[fading vigil]

a 12 COT

[shy creek]

It'll work

Everything works on that level

[cobalt sphinx]

warriors are supposed to be the safest

just half as much damage and no utility

[fading vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-gif-27265526

Not everything at this lvl lmao

[cobalt sphinx]

people will always say that about content below the highest level

[thorn slate]

Feels like im doing something wrong on ST, how do you open? Ambush > Garrote > rupture > cds?

[cobalt sphinx]

warrior is the safest pug in cot

subjugate might be able to one-shot a bear from full hp

[shy creek]

Yeah mainly I'm saying it as a matter of ilvl being around 630+ for these keys which outscales the damage

[fading vigil]

he is 637 c/e tank i think it's a safe option lol

Ayo, Ele shamans blast too

shit pisses me off

[cobalt sphinx]

bears typically don't have a choice in the matter when it comes to magic damage

i don't think they're allowed in grim batol

[shy creek]

Yeah they giga suck when it comes to magic

which is insane cuz thats half of the damage types? so idk bear tank

[spice spire]

Constant magic sure

But they can reflect

Plus have a 30s block cd

For magic damage

Every 90? 3m idr the cd

Warriors actually have a decent magic resist if it’s bursty

[shy creek]

searched up survival instincts and instead got a literal definition

i forget i have to search WoW

[proper hare]

kekw

[spice spire]

60% DR is nice

[shy creek]

warriors are p nice to have

Just feels like every tank has to play super well compared to paladin to do what paladin does casually

[winter lichen]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[spice spire]

Paladin has the same pass/fail bit as warrior but had catch up mechanics that warrior simply doesn’t

Pally also kicks everything and cleanses

And eats ur ass for free

So it’s really hard to beat if it isn’t paper that tier

[royal lantern]

ayo?

[cobalt sphinx]

Warrior is braindead easy vs major magic damage tank busters at least

[shy creek]

what did he mean by the 3rd part.

[cobalt sphinx]

Can’t lose

And for some reason the dungeon rotation has like 30 tank busters

[spice spire]

You press reflect

Laugh

Move on

[fading vigil]

!macro

!kick

what is the command to set a focus target up?

[spice surge]

Its not a command

You can just keybind it in wow

In the default interface

[fading vigil]

Ty papa

got it

when yall are doing trash, do yall try to use Thistle Tea?

[royal lantern]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

18% pull

FUCK THIS BOSS

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[tepid breach]

? What do you mean

it's trash so

use it

[royal lantern]

there are more 8/8 guilds then 7/8 guilds

jfc

that boss is such a joke

[rotund oak]

only u count bb

[drifting cloud]

that is quite literally normal

yeah silken is not a great boss depending on your own guild

but those same problems from silken will just spill into queen

[royal lantern]

bruh, when i saw that pot that literally ~950 guilds are stuck on court

wtf is going on

[drifting cloud]

they arent stuck, they are progging.

unless you think court should die in 1 raid

[wet plover]

What combo yall think is better. Empowering Crystal + binding ritual knife or Spy-glass + Knife? (M+)

[drifting cloud]

and kyveza is just overgear territory

blizz should have nerfed court 1-2 weeks ago again, late as always

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/the-woobles-woobles-pierre-penguin-cheerleader-gif-11622596538175832415

[obsidian walrus]

on silken do bleeds applied during damage amps conite to be amped for their full duration?

[nimble vector]

no everything updates dynamically

[thorn slate]

Do you use kingsbane at the same time as deathmark on opener on ST, or wait 8 sec for 2nd shiv?

[royal lantern]

so you literally agree with me mate

ofc i dont think "lol boss 1 raid day lol"

where did i say that

[torn mist]

Guys sorry for this dumb question, sim are really long but this trinket is good in M+ ?

[royal lantern]

but jfc court is just bs desinged, and when sooooo many groups are stuck at it they should maybe get that stick our of their ass

[torn mist]

(i have skardin so idk if 2 trinket use are useless or not)

[drifting cloud]

its just a very non traditional wow boss and thats causing alot more issues for some guilds

but I doubt they would nerf it by insane amounts

scarabs are very dumb

[royal lantern]

remove the fucking adds

yeha

why do they exist

[fallow canopy]

to justify dk's existence ||for legal reasons this is a joke||

[gloomy heart]

Dont think anyone plays this

[torn mist]

i read bloodmallet & murlok

but thoses sites are not okay if it good

blood say its 4th trinket multi target

but in murlok all players play Anub

[gloomy heart]

i wouldnt play dbl on use personally but u can try it

[gray horizon]

i will say that silken court sucked, however Tindral was infinitely harder

157 pulls on silken court vs 383 for tindral for my guild

[drifting cloud]

problem is tindral got nerfed so many times it does depend a bit which version you killed

[clever sapphire]

tried it in keys, did garbage dmg on 626, disenchanted it

[drifting cloud]

so its not really a blanket statement

and last court nerf was when boss was at like 100 kills

[gray horizon]

idk what they could really nerf with silken court to make it easier though. Numeric tuning wouldn't really matter, I don't think anyone is dying to lack of dps or heals

It's really a movement/positioning fight

[spice surge]

They could remove a dispel

[drifting cloud]

if they make betrayal hit you for 5mil

1 less dispel yeah

[gray horizon]

TRUE one less dispell would actually be huge

[drifting cloud]

just delete scarabs

[fallow canopy]

its literally just a position check throughout 8minutes

[gray horizon]

We def died to not dispelling fast enough many times

[royal lantern]

delete scarabs

less dispell

orbs not instant death anymore at 4 stacks

betrayal not instant death anymore

[spice surge]

And/or make it so you only need 2 webs

[royal lantern]

all viable options

[gray horizon]

Betrayal is the whole mechanic of the fight though, making it not 1 shot you is pointless. Just get rid of the mechanic at that point

[drifting cloud]

the 4 stacks is fine, if people are dieing alot from that theyre either oversoaking or youre dropping too many doubles

[fallow canopy]

personally I feel like dispels or webs is the most likely nerf

[royal lantern]

the last time i hated a fight so much, was KT during SoD

and KT was allready 1 of the worst fights they ever made

[gray horizon]

Yeah dispel would be the only thing they could nerf that I could really agree with

4 stacks is also fine imo

[drifting cloud]

well not that different than once they added time for tindral soaks and made you need what like 4 less?

it also became almost pointless

[fallow canopy]

that is true, could be the end of the season type of nerf

[drifting cloud]

and once the cages on fyrakk would expire, same principle

[gray horizon]

what was the tindral soak i totally erased that fight from my mind

[fallow canopy]

seeds

[coral ibex]

wow players can’t dance and other common knowledge bits

[gray horizon]

oh yeah

[coral ibex]

court dance is actually simple

[spice surge]

Theyve already done it to queen

Which is why its weird that they havent done it to court

[gray horizon]

I think they're just trying to find out how to nerf court without changing literally the entire fight

[drifting cloud]

I think theyre just slacking like they do every year around thanksgiving

[gray horizon]

true

[drifting cloud]

working on future patches instead of doing this

theres just no reason to not have nerfed court, doesnt matter how small by now

especially after they gutted queen before hof

[gray horizon]

any fun tech for queen? i'm already cloaking out and stepping for intermission yanks

we're working on p2 atm

[crimson steppe]

would u guys take treach or skardyns as the on use trink

[fallow canopy]

nothing in particular comes to mind besides stepping yanks and rings

[trim magnet]

I am 612 ilvl and got out dps'd by a 597 - both assassin rogues, I am useless

[limber lion]

Gg

[limber lion]

Skar

No minigame

[uneven aspen]

this feels stupid to ask but
since i want to use every thistle tea during shiv
i need to make sure it never auto procs right?

[balmy condor]

doesn't matter

[uneven aspen]

i dont think i understand

[clever sapphire]

letting it proc by accident vs playing it perfectly is like 0.2% gain

you dont give a feck

[royal lantern]

the difference bettwen a 100% minmaxed tea and auto proccing tea is 0,2%

[clever sapphire]

ha i was faster

[uneven aspen]

ahh ok that makes sense
so i just use it during shiv (without overcapping) if its ready and stop thinking about it at that same second

[hearty radish]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[balmy condor]

you use the macro above me and stop tracking tea entirely

[uneven aspen]

oh wait i also misunderstood cast sequence, thought i didnt want to use it because i would need to press it twice
but forgot tea is off global

yea okay one more free keybind

[crimson steppe]

is there no dps difference between them, cause if treach is better i dont mind the minigame

[cobalt sphinx]

seems like a dps loss on dungeon slice for me

and a 1% gain on single target

2.5% loss dslice, 1% gain st with m+ talents

639 transmitter vs skardyn

[crimson steppe]

appreciate it, ill stick with the treach cause i just got lucky and got it, skardyn's just doesnt wanna drop for me, been spamming gb for 2 weeks now

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah it's still great if you don't mind the minigame

i believe it's a much, much stronger cooldown but a significant passive stat loss

[crimson steppe]

didnt think of it like that, just thought about the on use effect

[gloomy heart]

how long will whispyrs mental stay recovered

[balmy condor]

hopefully forever

people starting to play sub in m+ again

poe2 tomorrow

the world is healing

[gloomy heart]

whispyr doing m+ !

[balmy condor]

fuck no

[jade abyss]

Poe2 pog

[balmy condor]

whispyr doing m+ will destroy my mental instantly

[jade abyss]

Sub so much better?

[balmy condor]

no but it's good

[marble hemlock]

is there anything left of it?

[jade abyss]

I dont touch the spec since s3 rework in df

[balmy condor]

yes

[marble hemlock]

how?

[drifting cloud]

cat pets between pulls

[delicate magnet]

anybody knows what's the spell ID to track Improved Garrote only using NameplateAuras?

[pseudo elm]

Is there any good WA or something to keep track of wich task you gotta do for Treacherous Transmitter trinket? Shouldent be a problem mabye but could be good untill i get used to it

[cobalt sphinx]

Are we starting deadeye nades

It has to be insane right

[delicate magnet]

i can track iron wire garrote (the 4 sec silence out of stealth), can track regular garrote... but the Spell IDs for Improved Garrotes don't work. i guess the game doesn't recognize it as different than regular garrote? anyways, was wondering if there's a way to just track Improved Garrotes and not regular Garrotes?

[slate crown]

There is no spell Id for improved garrote

[delicate magnet]

bah, damn it..

[slate crown]

Weakauras can track it by doing a bunch of stuff to track when it's cast and if you have the buff

[delicate magnet]

there is but NameplateAuras doesn't recognize it as a unique buff

[slate crown]

Nameplates can probably do the same but it's a lot of work

[delicate magnet]

yeah, trying to do it via NameplateAuras, not WAs. might ahve to do it via WA

[slate crown]

It would be a ton of custom work but you can anchor WAs to nameplates and you can make clones, in theory you could take an Imp Garrote WA tracker and expand it out to showing a clone of itself on each nameplate. Again, a ton of custom work, but in theory possible

[delicate magnet]

let me try it through Plater first

apprecaite the help

just gave up and customized regular garrote spell to show up whether it's improved or not...

[grim bronze]

MIght be slightly dumb question, but. For dungs do we sim dslice, or mdt sim, like what are we looking at? Asking for a friend 🙂

[normal mist]

Dslice

[spice spire]

He pings me to review logs

[runic hinge]

[marble hemlock]

[digital wind]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dry wing]

is it better to craft darkmoon on dagger or blessed weapon grip?

[snow kindle]

darkmoon

[cobalt sphinx]

darkmoon is the best for raid

[snow kindle]

ascension

[grave harbor]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[tender barn]

New to rogue, I was always under the assumption that assa was more sustained dps vs sub's burst but it seems like theyre both burst specs now. Whats the reason to play 1 over the other now?

[balmy condor]

sub is a 90 second spec with more cooldown emphasis and less dot management

[spice surge]

In aoe (aka m+) assa has a lot more of a sustained damage profile

But yes for raid if you ignore the thematics and how they feel to play it is mostly a question of 90s vs 120s cooldown (and whose numbers are currently tuned higher)

[split veldt]

does numbing poison work on bosses

[royal lantern]

attack speed reduction yes

[split veldt]

raid bosses too?

[balmy condor]

yes

[split veldt]

nice

[neat sinew]

I'm not sure when to stop garrotting/rupturing when in big pulls. Say 10+, do i dot everything or is there a # of dots im looking to have up before envenom spamming my prio?

[pale socket]

don't overthink it. garrote twice, rupture twice, send caustic splatter

[grizzled ember]

How do I look at cast sequence in a log?

[snow kindle]

casts then timelines

[grizzled ember]

ahh thank you, i was so close it could have bit me

[coral ibex]

ideally your rupture weakaura indicates how many targets you have ruptured

you dont need more than 5

[neat sinew]

😮 rupture WA? Plz direct me to this ahha i dont got any WA to track rupture or garrote. The only 1 i have is to track IC

[neat sinew]

This the same rule for garrote?

[coral ibex]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[coral ibex]

whispyr's wa tracks it

[eternal sandal]

im at the point where pushing +11 is what my crew wants to do and im just wondering what is the stat spread you guys are finding to be a good fit. im considering getting more haste for more energy regen as getting sanguine blade proc is proving difficult. im around 25%-14%-43% for crit-haste-mastery atm. thx for replies.

[cobalt sphinx]

Stats don’t matter for this spec

[pliant remnant]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[woven shore]

when to use cd's

on Court

kb mark

[sweet herald]

newbie question: are we required to do 2garrote 2 rupture in first 6s window? I thought only ambush is hard required to do in first 6 right? (for m+ aoe)

[winged sun]

well its not about the dps being enough from the other 2 dps its about you doing alot for u to win on the meters

[sweet herald]

I know this and other two but arn't they last for 12s with subtefurge?

also I have learned the standard opening. just curious why only 6s is mentioned. I thought the first 12s all have the same buffs?

[static glacier]

6s is the default duration if you don't spec subterfuge.

[woven shore]

@balmy condor when do you use kb in court

and mark

[sweet herald]

so if with subterfuge those things can be done in 12s except ambush (just fake a senario that I fat fingered or went to do other things)

[woven shore]

start ?

[balmy condor]

sure, if you're running subterfuge then it's 12 but you still need to get them up and they are highest prio

[balmy condor]

lorrgs

[solar merlin]

I got a few minmax questions😅

1. Is it worth building to max combopoints during darkest night, with shiv, thistle tea and supercharger?

2. Is it worth opening with ambush from vanish during cooldowns st. IF you just procced darkest night?

Also any idea of the dmg loss % from letting thistle tea proc when hitting 30 energy instead of holding for kb?🥺

[balmy condor]

you use them on webs

[woven shore]

roger

[sweet herald]

Thanks! one more question: if there are 10+ long last mobs, I think I should do more than 2 garrotes and just 2rupture before starting the DM sequence?

[balmy condor]

1. doesn't matter, generating could be like 0.1% better technically and should be practically better in burst situations
2. also doesn't matter, you can't consume mark stacks while darkest night is up so it's whatever

damage loss from letting tea auto proc is 0.1% when run at super duper omega accuracy

[balmy condor]

you do more garrotes, you do the same amount of ruptures

[solar merlin]

Thanks! Big help😊

[runic hinge]

So since I have tea macroed to shiv I could just unbind it completely

[balmy condor]

yes

that is the idea of the macro

[humble verge]

me? ME winning against dk and enhance first pull idk man

[runic hinge]

Yeah well maybe I just like looking at the icon

[past oracle]

how is seal of poisoned pact is the proc any good?

[balmy condor]

proc is like 0.5%

[dapper marsh]

How much should I be aiming to pool for KB?

[idle inlet]

Tricks!

that didnt work

how show tricks mouseover macro discord god

[balmy condor]

0

[coral ibex]

!tott

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[idle inlet]

I need a mouseover so I can choose which tank to tricks is that how that one works?

[limber coral]

Getting the WA will auto target the tanks so when you use the macro it will tott that tank

[idle inlet]

can I choose which tank or does it choose for you?

[limber coral]

it chooses for you with any tank

as soon as a tank enters you're group it will select them as the target for the macro

[idle inlet]

is there one that makes it so I dont tricks the boss about to nuke the raid on ovi or just a regular mouse over

[balmy condor]

what

[idle inlet]

when ovinax does the big tank hit that nukes the raid based on tanks health

I want to be able to tricks the tank that is not being hit by that

so I want just a regular macro to cast tricks on who I hover my mouseover

[winged apex]

What are the go to poison setups for Assassination nowadays, Deadly, Amplifying, Crippling and Numbing?

[coral ibex]

/cast [@mouseover,exists][] Tricks of the Trade

[balmy condor]

yeah that is some insane copium thinking you have any impact on that but more power to you

[balmy condor]

atrophic over numbing for the most part but yeh

good rule to use the poisons you talent into

deadly, amp, and numbing/atrophic all talents

[woven shore]

silken court is a real bitch

jesus fucking christ

[coral ibex]

fight is bedge fr

[woven shore]

85pulls

phase 1

xD

what a dogshit fight dud

e

[solar wyvern]

Fights where the worst player causes the entire raid to die are quite annoying

[woven shore]

whos guild bought Queen lockout

court is TERRIBLE

[coral ibex]

are you on webs in p1

[woven shore]

yea

right now we are doing better

almost two times intermission

in a row

shield break

i think now FINALLY its getting better

what a horrible boss design

[drifting cloud]

boss just need some more nerfs for higher wr guilds that are now reaching it

[woven shore]

yea you acn take 4 orbs

that would fix everything

[drifting cloud]

nah, trust me the orbs are the last of your issues

[woven shore]

or red same amount of orbs than blue

[drifting cloud]

if youre spawning too many doubles thats just a positioning issue

you pretty much never even have to go to 3 stacks

and since they explode so late now, even if they dont all get soaked and 1 explodes its unlikely to even put anyone to 4

[woven shore]

then ppl fucking up alot here

[drifting cloud]

soaking two doubles and insta dieing is pretty common problem during the acid raids

or maybe some people are just too eager to soak when in reality you have infinite time

keep in mind you used to die on 3 stacks on version 1 of the boss

[buoyant pier]

I know we are supposed to use a thistle with shiv before kingsbane, but for the shiv in the middle of kingsbane do you want to use another thistle?

[drifting cloud]

you dont have that many

sure maybe on the opener, but after that youre just gonna auto proc them by accident or whatever

its not a huge deal either way

playing tea correctly is something like a 0.2% gain, not worth stressing around

[buoyant pier]

ah ok

[coral ibex]

if orbs are really a problem you can just assign certain people to always take 3 and some people can take none

but like

bruh

[balmy condor]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[balmy condor]

use macro

forget tea exists

[buoyant pier]

[amber brook]

I thought it was to use tea + shiv to cover the remaining parts of KB

i have 2 shiv buttoins just for that

[little tulip]

i also forgot to tea with shiv for this entire month

[balmy condor]

no

it's just good play

to tea with shiv

[amber brook]

oki

[hot edge]

hey guys i have a doubt, been seeing some good asa rogue streamers and i noticed that they dont swap their main target (the one they use their ambush in for hero talent), yet they still manage to spread the poisons properly and interrupt when needed, is there something i have been missing or do they just swap target like normal?

[coral ibex]

bleeds get spread automatically out of stealth

poisons get spread via fok

[hot edge]

y i meant garrotes and ruptures

while focusing my main target i can spread like 5 -6 max without vanish

using ultracharge talent

[coral ibex]

the streamers you saw probably use mouseover macros to spread bleeds and focus macro for kicks

[hot edge]

Oh i see, so they select a secondary target with that mouseover thing and kick it and use it for spreading the bleeds more properly and can swap it when need to cut another one without losing the main target?

Because on pulls like the necrotics first one feels impossible to get back to the main target if u swap for interrupting smth

theres like 20 enemies

[balmy condor]

Focus macros probably

[hot edge]

thats like very important right?

cause im on like 1.6M overall but i feel like i could do more if i could spread more poisons and didnt have to swap targets

[balmy condor]

Yeah maybe you’d hit 1.65 then

Possible

[pliant remnant]

I'll take it

[past bobcat]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[rotund oak]

u lagged man 😦

hi btw

much love

[balmy condor]

I did

A lot

Comcast sucks

[rotund oak]

[flint snow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[hot edge]

maybe more, wouldnt need to swap target for interrupts and could spread more poissons, can u guys link any video on how to do this stuff? Because i dont really know what focus macros and the mouseover stuff are

[subtle tundra]

hey can we get a topic to argue over or smth

[slate crown]

ur stinky

[balmy condor]

Poisons spread naturally through fan of knives there’s no gain there

[runic hinge]

No he isn’t

[subtle tundra]

thats nothing to argue about

[balmy condor]

The difference will be minimal

You can google focus macro

There’s probably a billion examples

[blazing pumice]

anyone else like using stat weights to work out what the best stats for sin are

[balmy condor]

No

Well probably

But no one intelligent does that

[subtle tundra]

youre not crims

[blazing pumice]

why is it legacy on raidbots, i just stack crit mastery

[balmy condor]

You gotta be trolling right

[novel star]

probably

this guy has typed without being a fat inbred in the past

so its surely a meme

[balmy condor]

Its legacy cause it’s inaccurate as fuck

[blazing pumice]

hows that varas

[subtle tundra]

mdi winner crims uses stat weights all the time...

[novel star]

sorry dont punish me for using mean names moderator whispyr

~<

[balmy condor]

Yeah you gotta be a bit of a dumbfuck to play so much m+ that you win mdi

Swimmers have really strong back muscles too

It comes with the territory

[blazing pumice]

one day when I'm on disability pension I'll do mdi

[subtle tundra]

"you use stat weights" is like half of my arguments with him

or rather, against him

[balmy condor]

Reasonable argument

Anyone using stat weights is very mathematically disadvantaged

We all have our bad subjects in school

[subtle tundra]

im more like
mentally disadvantaged

i play m+

i cant wait to game m+ today, saturday and sunday!!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/im_in_unbearable_pain-gif-19322763

[rotund oak]

yup u are crazy

😂

[slate crown]

They should just gut the backend of stat weights and replace it with just a random number generator and pick random weights for stats and spit it out

[hot edge]

by poisons i meant garrotes and ruptures

in my language is common to call em aswell poisons xdd

[balmy condor]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[balmy condor]

Just read that idk

It’s not that important

[hot edge]

it might be ilvl stuff then

idk if 1.6 as 626 is ok

my max has been like 1.8

[rotund oak]

overalls can vary alot

many factors that regulate them

[hot edge]

y im talking like on a chill run with not many wipes

like my regular number

[rotund oak]

if the key is timed it doesnt matter all that much but FYI the number can change from many things

[hot edge]

ik ik

[rotund oak]

what u have to keep doing is try to increase it even more

[hot edge]

yep

but rn i have like good knowledge of the class

and the only thing that im seeing is that im only spreading 5 garrotes and ruptures

[rotund oak]

u only need 5 ruptures for scent stacks

garrotes u may spread more if u want

u just need to keep CT uptime as well

[hot edge]

i usually spread more garrotes if theres many casts

for silence

and i get to use more garrotes anyways

[rotund oak]

silence is not the only reason to actually spread garrotes

[hot edge]

i use like 2 ruptures and 4-5 garrotes

[rotund oak]

garrote does dmg as well

[hot edge]

after ambush

[hot edge]

y its usually my top 3-4 on dmg

[rotund oak]

ye the opener is gar twice into rupture twice

[hot edge]

after causic spatter envenom and the aoe bleed

[hot edge]

and then garrote for combo points?

[rotund oak]

no u need to read the rotation

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[rotund oak]

1st one

[hot edge]

i usually do ambush garrote rupture rupture garrote garrote and the area bleed

[rotund oak]

just take some time to read it friend 🙂

it will help

[hot edge]

i dont think its a rotation issue rn

[rotund oak]

well if u ask u garrote again after two ruptures it is

definitely is

[hot edge]

why wouldnt i?

[rotund oak]

coz u dont need to,the more u delay ur spatter and ur ct and ur cds the less dmg u do

hence u need to read how the spec functions

[novel star]

i mean you do though

if you still have stealth buffs and multiple targets without improved garrote on them

[hot edge]

y, maybe i was prioritizing too much getting the area bleed on everyone for having it active as much as i could instead of getting the causic spatter asap

[novel star]

the important thing is trying to not hit garrote ever outside of stealth

in stealth it’s good

[rotund oak]

if u cover the scent stacks u just fok instead and fok

stop typing nonsense

[novel star]

that’s literally not true

[rotund oak]

since yday u ar etrying to be argumentative for the sake of it

[novel star]

you also need to read the guide ur telling people to read

[rotund oak]

ive read it 100 times

[novel star]

it tells you to garrote after the 2 rups if not every target has garrote

and it said this with the old builds too before subterfuge and shit

[rotund oak]

thats literally what ive written

[novel star]

no it isn’t

[rotund oak]

like u cant read or something?

[novel star]

you told him he’s wrong for garrotting after the ruptures

[hot edge]

u told me i was trolling for garroting after ruptures lol

[novel star]

exactly

sap is just chatting shit for 0

if you have imp gar and carnage up

[obsidian bear]

sorry to slam dunk onto this guy but yeah i read that as well

[novel star]

spreading garrotes is good

[rotund oak]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

here choke in this

i rest my case with monkeys monkey-ing

[obsidian bear]

i mean go watch a kush vod and see what he does

[balmy condor]

Sap you’re wrong idk what you’re on about

[hot edge]

so im doing okay spreading the las 1-2 garrotes for using the area bleed after it and then go with causic spatte and boom envenom boom boom?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[hot edge]

obviously if there is many targets

if there are only 5-6 not making sense

[novel star]

hey look you blind fuck

it’s the opener that tells you to garrote after ruptures

thanks for the link

[obsidian bear]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-dunking-on-spiderman-gif-26119954

[hot edge]

lul

[novel star]

why are we arguing for fun

[slate crown]

@subtle tundra look what you did you summoned an argument

are you happy?

[hot edge]

caused a war

okay will keep doing it then

[subtle tundra]

my ass man

[hot edge]

ill try to watch more the number of enemies and maybe try to do what he sugested when there are less enemies

[novel star]

you’re almost always hitting 2 fans before you get a finisher out anyway

[slate crown]

[novel star]

and stealth garrote builds 3cp

[subtle tundra]

im hitting da griddy

[novel star]

so it’s still 2 builders into a finisher

either way

[hot edge]

well u get the buffed one after invis no?

[balmy condor]

Send video

[novel star]

and stealth garrote is just a high damage builder

[hot edge]

that makes good amount of combo points

[novel star]

yes that’s what i mean, it’s not even faster to hit fan instead of garrote since you have to hit 2 builders most of the time regardless

[hot edge]

y

[novel star]

and spreading stealth garrotes pisses on the damage of fok

[hot edge]

i never lose the buffed fok

[novel star]

[hot edge]

i dont use it instantly but dont lose it if thats what he meant

[novel star]

ya

[hot edge]

oke

[subtle tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/fernando-alonso-griddy-gif-6048609739935169129

[novel star]

he was telling u to just not spread stealth garrotes which is wrong and bad

[subtle tundra]

last race of 2024...

[novel star]

don’t spread them outside of stealth but

with stealth they r good

[hot edge]

yep i usually put it back on my main target

just that

[novel star]

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-sleepy-cat-sleeping-kitty-kitten-gif-18678404

and now after debunking more liberal lies in the assa channel

i will sleep

gn

[hot edge]

and the 5 rupture thing he said is okay?

[novel star]

yeah

[hot edge]

okay will go more envenom boom boom then

ty so much for the help

will try to implement the mousovert stuff

im starting to go into 12s

thats why i was worried

[subtle tundra]

fuck mouseover

[hot edge]

trying to optimize yk

[subtle tundra]

too much brainpower

[hot edge]

😔

[novel star]

i mean using carnage without switching off the main target ever / without using mouseovers is still better than not using it and just ignoring garrote

so mouseovers are kinda fake news if u aren’t giga comfy with it or just don’t want to bother

but yea

[hot edge]

i mean i dont wanna lose the target i have my hero talent on (bigger envenoms)

[hot edge]

oke oke

was trying to implement it a bit with my stack

so we coordinate interrupts and stuff

well tysm

will try to get those 12s done cuz the hating on this weeks affix is real

[rotund oak]

so what u are saying is that on a 10+ pack by manually spreading ur 1st 2 gar/rupts is more dmg than ct into cds? maybe its my range of keys then that the mobs explode before i even take more value from the last gars.Also the extra gars apply only if u havent cover the density already so it isnt universal as well

but if im wrong i take responsibility for what i say

then im wrong

[balmy condor]

I mean you said that it’s trolling to gar after doing gar gar rup rup

His situation was giga aoe, and in giga aoe you definitely want to spread stealth garrotes, you always want to spread stealth garrote to as many targets as there are in the pack

So gar gar rup rup gar gar ct is just correct

[subtle tundra]

😒

except if the prio mob is gonna die too fast for my KB if i start spreading garrets

like NW first pull

FUCK THE SHAMAN

I DONT GET MY FULL KB SO MANY TIMES

[runic hinge]

Fuck the shaman

[rotund oak]

like ye thats the grim reality of it

[subtle tundra]

yes im talking about 17 keys LOL

prio mob still dies too fast in some pulls

[rotund oak]

what the

imagine how it feels on my 11-12s man

im talking realistically

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah, but that wasn’t the situation that was given

[manic sphinx]

I know sims are sims, but would dungeon slice quick sim be a rough indication of how much dps I should be doing in an m+?

[novel star]

nope

[manic sphinx]

ok, then I should be looking at other peoples' logs?

[novel star]

nope

m+ overall varies an insane amount

by a lot of things that are not within your control

not really any good way to simplify it down to a goal number like with boss dps

[rotund oak]

tbh didnt read the original situation but even in NW,whats the deal with it anyway?Even if u quad pack packs still explode half way into gar cd(if it reaches there))

[novel star]

comparing against the 2 other dps in that specific key is like the only thing that’s relevant

and even then not perfect

[subtle tundra]

mobs hp just scale shitly compared to the power of cds

mobs hp should scale a bit more, all CDS should get nerfed
everyones constant dps should get upped

so we get out of the 1 shot the pack meta

or DIE

but im based like that

i want indiscriminate carnage removed,

[novel star]

remove carnage buff bleeds

return to bfa or whatever

multidotting gameplay

peak

[subtle tundra]

If the pack lives 30 seconds, being a dot spec is always shit. Make packs live a minute, then you can make dotting work

[rotund oak]

there are packs than dont live 20 😛

but ye

bleeds value rises the more they last/target lives

[novel star]

idk at this point it’s pretty obvious blizzard doesn’t rly want dot specs to exist anymore

every dot spec is just a burst spec that uses dots for some other bullshit

game is fraudulent

[subtle tundra]

Aug also just promotes the burst meta

[novel star]

yea true

but even just design wise

they’re all like dis

[runic hinge]

Packs are also kinda like too dangerous for things to live long. Can’t have mobs live long enough for bleeds to be effective if stuff has to die before you run out of stops

[subtle tundra]

well yea but then if you couldnt burst the mobs fast enough cause burst is nerfed, you wouldnt do those pulls

[novel star]

and then the timer matters because you have to pull slower

he cooked

hire dis guy

[grim jay]

[rotund oak]

[subtle tundra]

🗣️

[manic sphinx]

hmm, ok - but spec is so diff, and gear too. But I think i'm suffering from the recent discussion here. I'm a new rogue, so still learning - but i hardly get time to get to press my 2min, before stuff is already dead

at least i can try to claim that 😅

[snow kindle]

trying to get invited to keys as alt is pain.

[novel star]

yea i mean low keys as a ramp spec

just gonna be ass even with pugs

it is what it is

[grim jay]

Obviously

If you wanna get into groups on an alt you kinda need really high main rio and decent ilvl

Preferably on a desired spec

[placid radish]

duo queue

with shaman

[covert schooner]

Is the a log showing channel for help?

[glacial stump]

Just post it here

[subtle tundra]

youd think that

[snow kindle]

im 3k io lol

[subtle tundra]

but my monk is not getting invited

at 628

[snow kindle]

im not tryna get into 10s im queing for 6s