assassination

[rotund oak]

more raw than japanese sushi

[meager knot]

what 4 poisons should i use. sorry if dumb question just new new to rogue

[rotund oak]

deadly,amp,crippling,numbing for general use

for raid u might replace numbing for atrophic

[meager knot]

the build i got currently has atroph>numbinng for m+

speeds build

[golden loom]

atrophic = less group damage, numbing = less damage the tank takes from mobs autoattacking, so whichever you need that fits that

[grim jay]

Isnt there cooked Sushi aswell

Like salmon

[rotund oak]

i think ye,other cultures(outside japanese) cook the fish

japanese is raw iirc

[grim jay]

Based other cultures

[cyan karma]

When you vanish for the KB window, it’s not vanish at 6sec, it’s vanish and “break stealth” at 6 sec to be optimal right?

And shiv, would be better at 9 sec compared to 7, guaranteeing the last tick of kb gets covered…?

[winged gust]

better self esteem means better performance overall 😎

[cyan karma]

Just trying to polish my game and make sure I’m understanding the formula…

[blissful pecan]

Do you guys change opener after checking ambush crit?

If ambush doesnt crit ambush-garrote-rupture doesnt consume DS mark

But if i fan of knives-rupture then i might lose 1 cp

[golden rampart]

is it dps loss to macro pot + skardyns to deathmark?

like should i press those before i deathmark?

[grim jay]

Unless its too much

Then its harmful

[grim jay]

No, its the right way

[golden rampart]

okay cool

[gloomy heart]

taco bell is so good but so bad

toilet destroyer

[west crown]

just ran into a rogue on alt thats dropping amp poison for ttk and has no IW

just something else

[shy creek]

this guy is onto something

let him cook

[shy creek]

Yes, it is break stealth, usually to apply improved garrote and continue

Its vanish in order to proc master assassin however, which also works in stealth

so technically speaking, if you didnt want to press anymore abilities, it would still do what it was intended to do

[shy creek]

Shiv is 8 seconds, and KB is 15 thus no matter what if you have double shiv you are covering the entire duration of KB

If y ou are talking about single shiv charge, then you're hitting it on the 8th second to cover the last 8 seconds, you shouldnt ever be missing the last ticks of KB

[west crown]

earliest press is on 8

for 1 shiv charge

[shy creek]

^ mb

[subtle tundra]

when boss fights drag on for 4m+ you kinda appreciate some more st...

[cyan karma]

Yeah thanks guys, just want to know what was better when things get hot you know…

[subtle tundra]

fuck this btw, m+ bosses should be 3 min tops

even on the highest keys

[shy creek]

And make trash longer?

[subtle tundra]

make timer shorter

[shy creek]

Yeah im lowkey down for that

[west crown]

what takes longer, 1 boss fight or 1 pack

[shy creek]

20 minute keys sound way more fun

[subtle tundra]

4 packs is 1 boss fight

[cyan karma]

Cause it’s hard sometimes to line perfectly… but good to know going slightly later then early is better, and yeah, we’re hitting that first garrote from stealth bang on 6sec

[shy creek]

I'm not sure if you misunderstood, but you wouldnt be hitting only improved garrote at 6 seconds

You're just reapplying an improved garrote after you vanish

[cyan karma]

Yeah I understand

[shy creek]

This is also because deathmark duplicates your bleed, and thus improved garrote is also duplicated

[west crown]

Just get in the habit of shivng on 7 secs and you wont ever fk it up

[cyan karma]

Just see a lot of people say vanish at 6… but it’s more like 7 and break at 6

[shy creek]

Well break is sorta implied, you wouldnt just stand around doing nothing in stealth

But yeah

[cyan karma]

That’s what I mean though, 9 is better

[west crown]

no dont do it on 9

[cyan karma]

Not 7… this is my query when shit is getting hot in high keys and I’m wondering if I can fit another envenoim in

[balmy condor]

Nice cope

[balmy condor]

I mean it honestly don’t matter

9 or 7 your kb gonna be stacked regardlessw

[subtle tundra]

well i dont play ttk for the st only

[balmy condor]

Who cares

[west crown]

last tick doesnt matter?

[cyan karma]

I get that it’s 8 btw, I undersstand every thing, just working out the rough side of the game play

[west crown]

I know a lot of sin "doesnt matter"

[balmy condor]

The last tick is the same as the previous 4 my guy

[bronze pike]

Twist DEEZ NUTS

[subtle tundra]

i like prio, and i only play it when theres an abundance of energy in ST(add fights)

[balmy condor]

It caps at 50

[bronze pike]

[balmy condor]

Youre hitting the cap in like 5-6 seconds during dm

Who cares if it’s 8 or 6 or 7 or 9

All the ticks are the same or at minimum like 45 vs 50 on the first tick

[west crown]

I thought that but ive seen countless times of people obsessing over the last tick of KB

[balmy condor]

What’s it matter

Yeah that’s cause they’re brainless

And they think it’s 10.2

10.2 the cap was 99

So it actually ramped the full duration

And you kinda struggled to get to 99 a lot

We have ttk and the cap is half of what it was

We’re legit stacking twice as fast for half the cap

It’s not comparable

[west crown]

The more I'm here the more I understand the "play 10% of the time wrong and it doesnt matter"

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[shy creek]

I think obsessing over last tick of KB is overkill

[balmy condor]

It’s not even overkill

It’s just doesn’t make sense

There is no basis for caring about the last tick

[west crown]

fk it shiv at 13

[shy creek]

shiv at 14

Idk trying to get microsecond timings is probably when it becomes overkill

[balmy condor]

Your kb tick at 8 realistically is just as strong as the last

So like

What difference does it make

[shy creek]

This is only true in DM though

In normal KB it probably matters a bit more

[balmy condor]

When are you vanishing outside of dm?

[shy creek]

Just shiv, not vanish

[balmy condor]

Ok sure but we weren’t talking about shiv

Also the kb outside of dm is worthless

Idk if you’ve checked logs

[cyan karma]

That just it, you never do, but I’m constantly wondering at around 10 sec… can I fit another envenoum in here and be late… or shiv early

[balmy condor]

But the damage during that is barely noticeable

[shy creek]

Yeah it relaly is nothing

ST target rogue damage is sad in M+

but w/e we get everything else so i dont complain

[west crown]

shit we even get single target in raid now

cant complain hardly anywhere

[shy creek]

I just got my first 99 parses on the ST fights in raid

[subtle tundra]

i will like when next tier we arent the top tuned ST spec in raid so our m+ st will be actually tank dps

[shy creek]

I cant wait...

[grim jay]

Nah blizz will surely adjust something

[subtle tundra]

😂

[shy creek]

surely one of the 3 specs will be solid

[grim jay]

You mean 2

Because who cares about outlul

[rotund oak]

Its gonna be a sub moon boys

[shy creek]

when are sub buffs coming out

this week?

11.07?

[rotund oak]

wdym coming out

deathstalker is already buffed

[shy creek]

o

what LOL

howd i miss this

[snow quest]

Still the least played spec in m+ I think

[rotund oak]

yup

and its silly powerful

[subtle tundra]

the weird thing is how you assumed it was coming out with the patch

[rotund oak]

u destroy bosses

[shy creek]

im a league player

[snow quest]

Yeah it's quite good now

[shy creek]

i just assume whatever balance changes are coming come in the next patch

[grim jay]

Not strong on overall = noone plays it

Especially with sin just being better

[rotund oak]

its not better

[shy creek]

idk about that

sub good damage, idk if it beats out garrote ever

[grim jay]

[subtle tundra]

sin prio

sub

[snow quest]

Boss damage in m+ doesn't seem that important this season aside from a few burst windows

[subtle tundra]

thats just how dungeons are designed

[rotund oak]

sin is just as good for overalls

sub does more st

like there are bosses it can do twice as much

[grim jay]

2.2m boss damage and noodling on the important pulls

Great

Also no relevant prio

[snow quest]

If you can do the same aoe pulls and have better st it could be good, but that's typically not the case

[grim jay]

In comparison

[subtle tundra]

people dont realise how important aoe is, having the dps to kill big packs fast

thats how you get time

[grim jay]

Ye

[snow quest]

One less pull overall in a dungeon helps timer more than boss damage usually

Unless there are bosses with enrage or something

[shy creek]

prob the only exception to this is mists

but even thats a pretty far out there exception

[snow quest]

Stitchflesh before changes too I guess

[grim jay]

Youd just respec before stitch

[shy creek]

Think NW has too many large pulls top lay sub

LOL

[grim jay]

As they already did

On high keys

[snow quest]

Yeah I've seen that

[golden crane]

Should I be using tempest in ST guys ?

[grim jay]

No

[golden crane]

Just spend it on extra envenoms?

[grim jay]

Well yes

Its your main damage

And your main spender

[cyan karma]

I asked this a couple of days ago… but it still baffles me how an extra bleed over a long period wouldn’t be a positive… like I get that it’s a chunk of energy loss and the loss of 1 envenoum which turns out to be, I guess 3 or 4 gcd’s when you consider the builders to get back to a 5cp envenoum… but yeah… apparently not

[royal lantern]

well, its simple

outside of crimson tempest, which is overtuned as fuck

bleeds do no dmg rn

cus a dot based spec doing dmg with dots is blasphemy or smth like that

[shy creek]

Are you asking about Crimson Tempest in particular?

[cyan karma]

I’m just chiming in on @golden crane question and it’s 7pm where I live and I like to drink and ask stupid rogue questions while I watch my kids play on the lawn 🙃

But yeah CT in ST

[royal lantern]

not a thing

[cyan karma]

no good 🙅‍♂️

[royal lantern]

or more like

we are actually dangerousely close to actually do it

but not right now

[shy creek]

I think its like a super marginal dps gain if youre maxed out on energy afaik

[royal lantern]

[grim jay]

Well its easy, it deals way less damage

[shy creek]

but also its because its damage scales primarily with target and sustaining its uptime in single target over envenom would be difficult

[manic sphinx]

Any tips to stay in stealth while running down to first mini boss in arakara?

i know it's not needed, but as a new rogue, stealth still helps me spread stuff easier

[shy creek]

Cloak everybody but tank running down

Shroud *

[manic sphinx]

ah, hmm

does that keep us out of combat?

[shy creek]

Technically you shouldnt be in combat as ur running down to begin with

Unless ur hitting something

[royal lantern]

^

[waxen creek]

I literally just stealth and follow along till the tank stops

[subtle tundra]

its only overtuned when it hits multiple targets

[royal lantern]

we are VERY close to use CT in single target varas

[subtle tundra]

hit my left cheek and my right cheek

[grim jay]

Also there are multiple things that are kinda counterintuitive regarding what you might wanna do on a dot spec, like rupture on more than 5 targets is a loss

[subtle tundra]

i know but it isnt happening so im right

[grim jay]

I'll hit them both

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/papapap-cat-tap-cat-slap-cat-fight-cat-boxing-gif-9288057176652855296

[grim jay]

At the same time

[subtle tundra]

das fine

[gloomy heart]

Y O Y O

[cyan karma]

yeah rupture on 5 max, improved garrot on every thing, normal garrot meh… yeah?

[royal lantern]

ye

[golden crane]

Oh damn, ive been wasting all my time spreading more than 5... its just to get the agility bonus right ?

[prisma scaffold]

Hi guys on stitchflesh do i prep deathmark on the hook add before boss comes down to transfer or just vanish and apply on the boss when he lands?

[cyan karma]

Yep, maxes at 5 and start dealing reduced damage after 5

[golden crane]

Wish they put that on the tooltip like it does with CT lol

[cyan karma]

So 5 is key. If your lazy like me, hit the same target twice with rupture to achieve exactly 5 😉

[golden crane]

Lets call it efficient instead of lazy

[grim jay]

Boss

[cyan karma]

Whisper said to do it in wow head so yeah.. we’re text book 😂

[grim jay]

The dmg sucks either way for aoe

And you dont need energy past 5 targets either

So there would never be a reason you wanna spread, unless it actually INCREASED the damage of your rupture

Or they finally buff it bigtime

[golden crane]

I shouldve come to this discord earlier haha, im newish but looks like ive been playing the class all wrong

[subtle tundra]

never gonna happen

unforch

current design + wanting to go away from dots for a whille

[grim jay]

Ye unlikely ig, but men can dream

[subtle tundra]

patiently waiting for legion classic

just a couple more years

(cant wait to level 6 rogues to get my legendary)

(cant wait to do daily world tour of every activity possible)

[idle acorn]

Well it's not really lazy, because you want to have 1 main target for gaustic spatter anyway. The biggest fattest mob in the pack if you have kingsbane and stuff up aswell. Let alone the marks from your hero talent. Clicking back to your main target or alt tabbing is annoying AF 😛

[cyan karma]

Yeah I probably thinking too deep… as in I should mouse over little adds heading into main target bla bla… vs just chill in stealth for like… 3 more seconds for tank to groups and then just spread bleeds the chill way..

[vocal wolf]

chill way is the way :p

[subtle tundra]

swapping targets should be assas thing...

[fallen arch]

Oof remember SL gameplay when we tab targetted to everything all the time

[cyan karma]

Im kinda new to the game but starting to use the full potential of shadow step I would have to agree… using it on my mythic rashanan clear the other night on friendlies felt so OP lol

I guess that a rouge thing though not assa

[idle acorn]

But we're spoiled now with the mass spread of bleeds :3

[subtle tundra]

erm what does that have to do with dotting

[west crown]

hell nah, I don't want to play melee spriest

[subtle tundra]

[cyan karma]

IC my fav spec in The tree ngl 😅

[idle acorn]

you still want to if you're not in stealth tho to spread the bleeds

[cyan karma]

Just talking about swapping targets being our thing… unrelated soz

[subtle tundra]

for friendly targets you use mouseover usually so you dont lose dps

xd

(not really needed for rogue, shadowstep only exception)

[cyan karma]

Ye I’m experimenting… but to focused on the kicks/ stuns to remember at this point

I do have it all set up for mouse over though.. bleeds etc

[idle acorn]

i use a target focus keybind + focus kick

[frosty bridge]

Focus kick and stun are your friend for simplifying kicks

[cyan karma]

Yeah I do all that… what I forget is the optimal mouse over bleeds

[frosty bridge]

Get that advanced focus cast bar weakaura that reminds you to kick specific things

[gloomy heart]

gl on vaults today na brothers

[frosty bridge]

When you hear "focus" just press that focus kick

[cyan karma]

Ye I got Somthing, it goes pew pew, or di di di 😂 it’s really good trust… probably what your talking about

😂

[blissful pecan]

how do you guys log on heroic queen?

should i just discard splatter

[balmy condor]

hell no

#1 rule of parsing high is that if you can pad, you pad

caustic is legit your only aoe

why would you drop it

[frosty bridge]

I guess because in heroic fury warriors press 1 button and webs and adds disappear

But yeah, 1 envenom with caustic on the webs will still do more than internal bleeding

[balmy condor]

yeah internal is REALLY bad

[frosty bridge]

fuck instant burst classes fr

[royal lantern]

thats why you cloak/vanish the webs

less padding for the rest

[blissful pecan]

I guess tricks of trade + cleaving between 2nd phases helps

[royal lantern]

huh

[balmy condor]

wjat

[royal lantern]

why tricks

what cleave

[blissful pecan]

Cuz otherwise they attack you

Dont they?

[balmy condor]

you just fan them as you full sprint to the shield guy

[frosty bridge]

ah the adds

[blissful pecan]

Yea

[frosty bridge]

they die in seconds, gotta fok their ass

But ye, press tricks while doing it

[balmy condor]

I mean you don't hit the smallies

you literally just fok them

they're combo points for you to use on something that matters

but you don't really even need to tricks do you?

I've never had to tricks them

[blissful pecan]

Maybe im still thinking the first week’s ansurek

[royal lantern]

your tank is supposed to run ahead anyway

[blissful pecan]

Cuz our RL told members to not touch the adds until tank gets up

Maybe it was hard to keep aggro or smt

[balmy condor]

you aren't touching them

you're pressing fok

[golden loom]

I usually tricks + evasion before attacking the guy on last platform

since I tend to connect on him before tank and got meleed for like 5 mill once

[balmy condor]

yeh idk my tank just like

runs?

[blissful pecan]

Its all g, i got 97

Satisfied enough

[frosty bridge]

i do it because i sprint and step them but

They just die too fast

[blissful pecan]

Turned to pink at last

[golden loom]

is sub good on ovinaxx or did you 100 it because noone plays sub?

[balmy condor]

probably the latter

[grave depot]

rank 1 of 1 surely KEKW

[frosty bridge]

[balmy condor]

dude it's the bottom

and the next lowest

is double

[frosty bridge]

Whispy why are you up man, isn't it like 4 am in the states

[balmy condor]

1am

[frosty bridge]

Wtf

West coast?

[balmy condor]

yes

[frosty bridge]

Damn, i didn't know the time difference was 9 hours ever

[balmy condor]

yeh always 9 hours to central eu

but like idk

I never sleep

famously even

I'm up till like 4:30 every day

and then wake up at like 9:30-10

[golden loom]

not to flex or anything but I do think I have the most impressive 100 parse here

[balmy condor]

holy he's large

I haven't done LFR in 3 expansions

is it worth

[golden loom]

got 3 irl friends to start playing so we jumped into LFR

was fun atleast

[frosty bridge]

Worth for completing 4p week 1 innit

[sharp viper]

some good transmog is from LFR - and you can even upgrade it to get the normal appearances. 100% worth it 💯 🔥 ❤️‍🔥

[frosty bridge]

If you're lacking a piece

[balmy condor]

like I give a shit about my tier week 1

[warm vortex]

Big Tuesday lecture time

[balmy condor]

oh no I won't have tier for the 7 pulls of sikran prog

[frosty bridge]

[balmy condor]

the horror

what ever shall I do

[subtle tundra]

yea warcraft logs, im not locked in thats why i blue parsed ovinax

holy shit

[warm vortex]

Or class time rather

[subtle tundra]

fuck you

[warm vortex]

Varas have you considered

Locking in

[subtle tundra]

i finally got my sikran 99 parse

(no mechanic on first cds)

[balmy condor]

gearing is already insanely fast

idk

[subtle tundra]

(wowwwwwwwww)(great design)

[balmy condor]

unless you're like top 100

you have legit no reason to sweat

you're not getting gear checked on bosses in 2024

[sharp viper]

have you considered playign with worse players to get more padding on the adds?

[subtle tundra]

yea but consider this
they already play with me, the worse player

[frosty bridge]

i mean true, but isn't that why people play the game

[balmy condor]

for the amazing gearing systems of world of warcraft?

I'd fucking hope not

[frosty bridge]

making their characters stronk

[golden loom]

lowkey looking at these LFR kill times... maybe it is harder than heroic

[frosty bridge]

i mean many definitely play the game for that reason alone

[balmy condor]

gearing in this game sucks though

[wind mural]

will extending the energy bar affect the shiv/thistle tea timer at all for when to use on kingsbane for example?

Doing this so it matches the new width of core abilities

[subtle tundra]

ill fucking touch you

[sharp viper]

well good logs aren't possible if you get carried

[balmy condor]

like you spam the same dungeon 50x, don't get the drop you need

[warm vortex]

Me first pls

[balmy condor]

and otherwise it's just equip random shit and throw your weekly crest cap at them

gg

[warm vortex]

Whispyr have you considered manifesting the grace with your mind

[balmy condor]

it's like objectively not an interesting gear system

[frosty bridge]

not saying you're wrong but humans are just animals with slightly better brains and thumbs

[subtle tundra]

i need to farm a focking skardyns for my monk

GGGGGGGGGGGGRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[sharp viper]

how would you improve the gearing system or change it?

[frosty bridge]

remove valorstones for one

currency that should not exist at all

especially not with a cap

[snow quest]

What talents build is this?

[frosty bridge]

it feels so bad gearing an alt, upgrading a 2H and all your stuff is gone

[sharp viper]

i don't mind valorstones but the cap is a tiny bit annoying (not really relevant if you play the game though)

[subtle tundra]

i have a candlestick and its actually bad asf cause i use rising sun kick to get my whirling dragon punch but i have too much haste and fists get reset and dont get to use it

AAAAAAAA

[frosty bridge]

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[normal mist]

Only relevant when you swap characters

[frosty bridge]

[brazen sluice]

does our rotation change with this build? since its simming highest in dslice?

[golden loom]

make them warbound transferable, feels shit to be giga capped on main and then not have any on alts

[frosty bridge]

Gearing main feels genuinely good and paced nicely

But man

[subtle tundra]

since when no subterfuge is simming highest

[frosty bridge]

God forbid you try to gear an alt now

[kind leaf]

i don`t understand how u guys do it... i have no idea what i do wrong on queen to get such low logs :S

[frosty bridge]

50+ keys just to cap on gilded, at least make them transferable

[brazen sluice]

since yday i guess according to fuu

[normal mist]

I thought it was way more

[frosty bridge]

Probably way more

[normal mist]

12 per completed in time

[frosty bridge]

[normal mist]

We have like 1000

[frosty bridge]

It's awful yeah

[subtle tundra]

make the achivment 636 requirement already

[frosty bridge]

Will the cap cap out soon? Considering we can't spend more than 1260 crests?

[subtle tundra]

you can craft

[sharp viper]

that would be nice

[frosty bridge]

Well i guess crafting yeah

[subtle tundra]

so, no

[frosty bridge]

Fuck

[blissful pecan]

Im just waiting for 11.0.7 ring to come out

[subtle tundra]

im probably crafting like a 7th item on rogue

not probably

[sharp viper]

I'm out of items to upgrade at 637.63

[subtle tundra]

guaranteed

[frosty bridge]

Idk what to even craft anymore

Outlaw stuff i guess

[subtle tundra]

ill craft a back, cause my current embellishment is a ring and rings will be ansurek + .7 ring

[frosty bridge]

No Rashanan?

[blissful pecan]

Doesnt crafting cost like 90 per piece

So fking expensive

[brazen sluice]

.

[blissful pecan]

For 636 gear

[frosty bridge]

Yep

[subtle tundra]

its not worth it

i have it but i dont play it

[frosty bridge]

But in maxed out on gear on reset so prolly crafting gear after that

[warm vortex]

This

[golden loom]

what do cape do you use if not rashanan? the ulgrax one?

[warm vortex]

I’m at 636 and I want the crest DC

[frosty bridge]

Wdym

Well i guess

[warm vortex]

I’m using the crit mast one from raid

[frosty bridge]

First boss is crit mastery no?

[blissful pecan]

Just anything i guess

[warm vortex]

Just press feint

[subtle tundra]

like, any cloak?

[frosty bridge]

So you can get that instead of crafting a back

[sharp viper]

yes

[subtle tundra]

rashanan isnt dps

[blissful pecan]

Sim it

But idk i just cant any capes at all

[tawny geyser]

You need some add damage on that fight.

[subtle tundra]

buddy i have cloaks
2 x 639
but i need a slot to craft my embellishment on

[blissful pecan]

All my gears are at 639 but my cape is 619

[subtle tundra]

so its gonna be a cloak

[blissful pecan]

💀

[frosty bridge]

ignore what i said

[subtle tundra]

its the slot with the lowest stats

so 3 ilvls loss isnt that big

i have 639 everything else

[tawny geyser]

My worst parse fight is Ulgrax on Mythic...I have no fucking clue how to get above 95 on that fight. I tried everything.
Internal Bleeding, Castic Spatter, Crimson Temptest...bro nothing works.
Can't hit higher than 93 😦

[kind leaf]

Not so easy with pugs it seems... their positioning of the boss is mostly mediocre

[blissful pecan]

I think u wanna save cloak for rashanan cape no?

[sharp viper]

I want uncapped crests so I can finally get embellishments crafted for m+

[subtle tundra]

i just said no, cause its not dps

[frosty bridge]

[subtle tundra]

i have the cloak i just dont wear it

[frosty bridge]

And transferable, I beg

[blissful pecan]

I think noone cares about ulgrax logs since everyone is just fucking around that boss. Not easy to parse vs cheaters

Like same for rash and ovinax

Really hard to parse on

[tawny geyser]

Rank 1 China guy told his Guild to stop DPS on adds and he got Rank 1...

[cobalt sphinx]

you can parse ulgrax with low add damage

[blissful pecan]

Ppl have like 3M dmg on those bosses

[subtle tundra]

yes log culture is based around being let to pad

[blissful pecan]

But

[tawny geyser]

Meh, I'm doing fine on other bosses on Mythic they're all 95+ but Ulgrax is the only one below 95. its so annoying.

[cobalt sphinx]

i got a 97 on ulgrax with barely any add damage

[blissful pecan]

We can always get sikran and kyveza logs

[subtle tundra]

everyone is except you is full st, you use cds in intermission
kill boss right after 2nd intermission

[blissful pecan]

Or court

[subtle tundra]

get 100

youre such a good player

[blissful pecan]

Cringe tbh

[sharp viper]

cause parses really matter

[subtle tundra]

thats how the game has always been

[cobalt sphinx]

1.4 is orange on ulgrax

just do more boss damage

[subtle tundra]

parses are easier than ever to get

cause of the dmg buff

[frosty bridge]

did you see what happened when wclogs removed rashanan add damage from logs

[blissful pecan]

No one

Kills adds

Hahaha

[frosty bridge]

Some guilds legit wiping to adds because nobody killed adds

[blissful pecan]

Everyone go full st

[tawny geyser]

You think I should just go IB?

and do boss dmg?

[blissful pecan]

Dont u want to still take splatter tho

[tawny geyser]

Yeah idk, im asking now

[blissful pecan]

Heard IB is dogwater anyways

[tawny geyser]

I talk with a buddy of mine @hollow elk he got rank 1 with Crimson Tempest.

[subtle tundra]

💀

[blissful pecan]

…

💀

[subtle tundra]

if ib wasnt a 30k dps talent id play it

but really not worth

[tawny geyser]

Well it used to be R1, now it's not anymore, but yes it was CT.

But then again it was also October 30th

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah i just go like 80/20 boss/add damage not like 55/45 like the rest of the raid

[frosty bridge]

why are there no fatebound parses for kyveza or sikran

[blissful pecan]

I guess no one likes casino

[cobalt sphinx]

i'm fairly certain it has nothing to do with RNG

[frosty bridge]

speak for yourself

but yeah you're prolly right

Idk

its so chill to play tho

[limber lion]

Because 99.9% play Deathstalker

[tawny geyser]

Well they are shoving it in our faces, even on Sub now.

[frosty bridge]

yeah but like why, surely it shouldn't be that big of a gap

[limber lion]

If Fatebound was a lot better, you'd see more people playing it

People play what other people play

It's a flock

A herd of sheep

A murder of crows

[frosty bridge]

a school of fish

[subtle tundra]

except i tried fatebound and felt like shit

i feel like i should ve popped off on dps, look at log after and just ?????????????

[blissful pecan]

Like

I dont wanna lose darkest night+supercharger 6M evenom

[subtle tundra]

only good thing about it was tracking stacks to see your highrolls, that was fun sometimes

[blissful pecan]

Thats my only dopamine playing this talent

[subtle tundra]

but then id get to 5 and lose it and just be upset

[limber lion]

You make it sound as if you play without Details

[tawny geyser]

whispyr typing 5 min...pin incoming

[subtle tundra]

yes i do

i raid without details

[blissful pecan]

He fell asleep on keyboard dw

[limber lion]

Or he's about to put someone in their place.

[tawny geyser]

that too yea

[limber lion]

His cat has attacked the keyboard before as well

[balmy condor]

I mean unironically I would rip off like a half dozen ARPG games. Like take the tempering system from d4 and add some interesting effects, steal a crafting system from poe or lost ark or something

at the minimum make stats more interesting than what they are now. Every single stat is a variant of "everything does more damage". Crit has some minor things like seal fate but generally doesn't really impact players or provides anything interesting, haste doesn't provide anything interesting at least for rogues, casters the gcd gets lower and cast speed and stuff that could be interesting sometimes. Mastery? lets be real most masteries are just "90% of your damage does more damage", and vers is well, vers. So for starters just change how stuff works and interacts like that. Bring back multistrike or something, add some interactions for haste/crit that actually mean something, change masteries to be tangible to the spec. Like don't make assa mastery "poison and bleed", that's literally my whole fucking spec bro what do you mean "poison and bleed". Oh no my mutilate isn't buffed that's crazy. Make a choice node talent that buffs mastery by 50% but it only works on bleeds, or only works on poisons, idk man. Like do SOMETHING. Give me a crafting bench with +rank to talents. Obviously not actives or whatever, but like imagine if you could take a ring and craft +1 to zoldyck, or +1 to dashing or +1 to blindside or something. Put that on amulet/rings and you could have like a rank 5 zoldyck if you wanted to. +75% execute damage poggers. Or like add a special trinket like during hellfire citadel. They had class trinkets that didn't really do anything special, just like "ambush and garrote does 30% more damage" or "envenom increases the crit chance of mutilate by 20%".

Like every system blizzard introduces is meant to keep the player logged in. Thats why you can't just grind out 3000 crests in a week, or why drop rates from dungeons are low, or why there's no bad luck vendor for pve drops. It's to keep player metrics up and introduce friction, and that's fine. But they can change the systems to give us the pieces and let us alter them and craft them and change them in ways that are interesting. Like yeah maybe you want to have +3 zoldyck ranks for raid, but maybe you want +2 scent of blood ranks and +1 poison bomb ranks or some shit for your m+ set cause it lets you talent into the right side. Or maybe you can like equip a trinket that instead of doing damage just gives you arterial precision, or +1 vanish charges, or fucking idk man for the exsang enjoyers just passively makes your bleeds do +75% damage, but at half duration so you have to dot a lot more. Adding complexity like that would also go into their goal of killing sims slowly and making things more situational and is just healthier for people who want to play like that. Like that's a powerful bleed choice, but maybe you can do the same thing for amp poison, like make amp poison proc at 4 stacks instead of 10 or some shit.

I'm not a dev, I'm just spitballing random shit but like fuck

D O
S O M E T H I N G

[limber lion]

Demon

[subtle tundra]

GET DOWN

[frosty bridge]

Holy

[blissful pecan]

Holy shit

[tawny geyser]

yep

alright time to make coffe

[limber lion]

Alrighty

[subtle tundra]

im something, hi

c-cheesed to meet you

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah pve dps and gearing is a just very strict numbers vs very strict numbers, i feel like it would be a whole redesign or game flow overhaul to deviate from that at all

[sharp viper]

that would be way more interesting but like half the examples you gave would also boil down to a more interesting talent tree

[cobalt sphinx]

details and colored bars is the whole game

it's so hard to think of wow being anything different from that

[tawny geyser]

Man I'd love a gearing system where on gear you can choose to add a point to your existing talent, that would be dope.

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean when the games gear boils down to "is 300 mastery more than 300 vers"

it's no wonder why top gear exists

like oh which one of these trinkets is better

the one that gives me 4000 crit 10% of the time

or the one that gives me 800 crit 50% of the time

it's the same shit man

[warm vortex]

New Whispyr thing dropped

[frosty bridge]

Lowkey it's time to bring back power systems

[balmy condor]

no

[warm vortex]

Also if they added a vendor for pve wouldent it just make gearing faster

[balmy condor]

blizzards grubby little paws can't handle power systems for more than 1 patch

that's really the core of the issue

[warm vortex]

Bring corruptions back

Please

[frosty bridge]

why not, expansion wide power things are fun as long as acquisition isn't horrible

[balmy condor]

blizzard loves spending a ton of time designing stuff that's like half-baked and needs iteration

[limber lion]

Yoo but imagine when you get that big proc during cds and lust sheeeesh

[balmy condor]

letting it iterate for a year

[sharp viper]

@balmy condor should I craft +4 to shadowheart? sims tell me to go +3 to zoldyck but top logs always use +5 shadowheart

[balmy condor]

and then hammering it into the ground

[cobalt sphinx]

it sometimes feels terrible when they DO try something new like spymaster's web, or maybe evne whispering incarnate icon

[subtle tundra]

i thought corruption would be an experiment for crazy systems and then they stopped doing them

[cobalt sphinx]

because then you're just pvping your entire guild to try to get that item to drop

[frosty bridge]

Shadowheart is bae fr

[subtle tundra]

im so dissapointed

[balmy condor]

like artifact weapons and the like gems and the crucible could've blossomed into something really cool and it was started to get there

and then YOINK you need to give it all away cause big sword

[warm vortex]

Yea

[balmy condor]

azerite powers were absolute dogshit at the start of the expac, but they were getting there towards the end

[warm vortex]

I’m so sad I missed legion

[balmy condor]

like they were almost great

and then BANG

[sharp viper]

that is probably partially due to the way they develop expansions somewhat independant of one another

[balmy condor]

nope

expac done

goodbye

fuck off

[warm vortex]

SL covenants were just shit imo

The whole time

[balmy condor]

yeh

but that's what I'm saying

[warm vortex]

Like SURE they got better but were still bad

[balmy condor]

like they need to change the FUNDAMENTAL gearing

they need to add a system to the gearing

that is at the core of it

[warm vortex]

I mean the game is fun don’t get me wrong but more gearing would be nice

[balmy condor]

not slapping another power system for an expac on top

[sharp viper]

I miss reforging, made gearing a bit more interesting

[limber lion]

Corruptions were fun because they enabled some different builds for some classes, but they enabled some absolute degeneracy and powerscaling issues among some specs.

Corruptions were not healthy at all, but they were fun

[warm vortex]

That’s fun every now and then no

It’s like junk food

[limber lion]

Yes, but Blizzard's newthing are the evergreen features

[sharp viper]

they are the reason we now have diminishing returns on secondary stats iirc

[warm vortex]

Have it once every now and then as it’s fun, but too much of it and you will die

[warm vortex]

Tbh I don’t like diminishing returns
Just Lemmie get stats

[frosty bridge]

yeah idk, if they keep doing fated they gotta do that crazy short term dopamine

its fun but not healthy long term if unbalanced like that ye

[limber lion]

One of, yeah

[frosty bridge]

i hate how boring fated was the 2nd time around

[sharp viper]

like what? the artist formerly known as dragonriding?

[limber lion]

Mythic+, probably delves, great vault, crafting systems, crests...

They try to stay away from the stuff like corruptions or legendary powers of the past.

[frosty bridge]

Hero talents was their example of an evergreen system

[limber lion]

Because they are not sustainable long term

[limber lion]

Yeh that's another good one

[warm vortex]

I mean I’m happy M+ wasn’t a one expansion thing

It is fun imo :)

[subtle tundra]

rework our hero talents...

[warm vortex]

Or can be

[subtle tundra]

make them actually cool...

im fucking fatebound???

i make my own fate

[subtle tundra]

im a fucking rogue not a jehovahs witness

[warm vortex]

Also shoutout to this s tier guild name

[warm vortex]

Bro even a Jehovah hero tree would be cooler than fatebound at this point KeK

[frosty bridge]

Maybe they add new hero talents in Midnight

And then the last titan

[blazing warren]

Dang it, it got ridiculous, the past week i just constantly get declined for hours on end and doing my own key just gets it depleted so i need to push it back up, which also isnt too easy
I thought Assassination was meta : /

[frosty bridge]

Like combining fatebound and deathstalker into Fatestalker

[subtle tundra]

its meta as in, the third spec thats a fill slot

which can be mage, druid, dk, rogue

[warm vortex]

What is your score

[kind leaf]

Rogue is meta, but in higher keys. and i feel like noone knows of this xD

[frosty bridge]

DK and enha get invited slightly more but assa is definitely meta

[warm vortex]

Personally I get into 12s and below fine atm

[limber lion]

There's literally hundreds of people queueing for those keys

[blazing warren]

Im trying to get to some 14s and its just rough

[limber lion]

You're not special and there will always be someone that's higher io than you

[blazing warren]

Yeah, i understand there is a lot of people but i would assume i will get some invites

[limber lion]

Have you done 15's and all 14's?

[frosty bridge]

Also yeah, getting into 15s is giga rough because there's an insane amount of people applying

[blazing warren]

Im trying to get my last two 14s

Got a 15 done

[subtle tundra]

15 rn is populated by the large majority of keypushers

[frosty bridge]

Like i have all 15s bar 1, and 2 16s and don't get invited

[subtle tundra]

if you queued 15 a month ago, youd be getting invites a lot more

[rotund oak]

https://tenor.com/3k5X.gif

[blazing warren]

Yeah similar to me then but 1 key level below

[subtle tundra]

the later you are on pushing, the harder it is

[warm vortex]

Tbh this is why I’m thinking of not pushing higher than I am en

Might stay at 3K

Unless I get a group

[frosty bridge]

It's not easy getting into those keys with the scaling change, you have 3400 people pushing their 15s up while 3.2 people need to time them for score

[subtle tundra]

i was getting invites to keys i was not qualified for, just cause there was noone else queuing(more than a month ago)

[blazing warren]

I thought the perception of Assassination was that its very good so i thought i would get much more invites

The meta getting invites was a lie?

[frosty bridge]

DK and enha perception is better

[subtle tundra]

yes and no

[frosty bridge]

And aug is kinda always invited too

[blazing warren]

🥺

[frosty bridge]

So 1 spot is locked from the start kinda

[subtle tundra]

even if youre an enha, if you list a 15 youll see 20 enhas queuing

[blazing warren]

I dont really get why people invite Augs

A dead slot until 16 or some 15s

[frosty bridge]

True

[subtle tundra]

cause they copy the +18 keys

[limber lion]

There's 17 assassination rogues applying

Again you're not the only one

[blazing warren]

Yeah i understand that

[limber lion]

Assa is good, but you are not special

[subtle tundra]

i am your special

[blazing warren]

But i really been qing all week with like3 invites

[warm vortex]

Tbh I’m already very proud of myself

[blazing warren]

Its crazy

[limber lion]

That's just how it is

[frosty bridge]

They help the surviving part

Idk

[warm vortex]

Usually I only get to 2.5 max
So 3K this early (for me) feels good :)

[frosty bridge]

I hate how much damage and casts there is in dungeons atm

[limber lion]

If you ever host your own key, get a tank and a healer in your group

You'll see literally a hundred applicants in like 2 minutes

[blazing warren]

I have seen 1 Aug this season that actually played well

[frosty bridge]

Like there's way too much going on, aug kinda helps with that

[blazing warren]

So while they do give passive survival/dps i think youre better off just getting a normal dps until like 16 or hard 15s

[subtle tundra]

eh only in grimba theres a lot of mandatory casts that cant go through

[blazing warren]

Plus, Rogue is very tanky so i dont know

[subtle tundra]

in stovevault you can let a lot of bolts go through

[frosty bridge]

idk stonevault also is kinda rough but ye ok, the casts going through there is no problemo

[frosty bridge]

DK is infinitely more tanky sadly

[blazing warren]

Is it?

[frosty bridge]

yeah, there are no situations where cloak is better than ams and ams is 40 seconds

[subtle tundra]

it really is

[blazing warren]

Going at this pace i might just leave the game, with how terrible the S2 Dungeons rotation is the Raid alone isnt enough to keep me playing

[frosty bridge]

On top of infinite passive tankiness

[subtle tundra]

theres bosses where i run out of feint

LOL

[frosty bridge]

Why do you dislike S2 dungeons?

[blazing warren]

You have Feint through with Elusiveness, Evasion and Bait and Switch

Thats a lot

[warm vortex]

I’m so excited to never have to go to SV again (until S4)

Fuck that place

[subtle tundra]

its still not enough 🙂

[warm vortex]

Same with CoT

[frosty bridge]

Yeah i was wondering if im pressing it too much but if the same thing happens to you...

[warm vortex]

What bosses

[frosty bridge]

Idk how people used to play rogue with 1 feint charge and cheat death back in the day

[subtle tundra]

stonevault last boss ( i died on it cause i had no more feint to press)

(depleted 17)

😦

[warm vortex]

Oof

[frosty bridge]

For example city of threads

[warm vortex]

Tbh last boss SV seems pretty tame compared to rest of SV or is that a below 15 key thing

[frosty bridge]

Dk can immune mechanics on 4 bosses there

[warm vortex]

Fuck CoT

Miserable place

[blazing warren]

To be honest i like Stonevault

[frosty bridge]

AMS is 40, i repeat 40 seconds

LIKE WHY

[subtle tundra]

the circle on 17 1 shotted me without feint

no debuff

just the circle

[blazing warren]

Yeah it is, but you can Feint+Evasion-Cloak-Feint+Evasion the daggers

[warm vortex]

Ye

[frosty bridge]

Every single dungeon there's something that DK doesn't just live, but completely immunes

[warm vortex]

I would expect that

[blazing warren]

So it aint that bad really?

Plus, with Shaman in every party you just cleanse the dot

[warm vortex]

You feint because you got the debuff too?

[blazing warren]

So it doesnt really matter either way

[subtle tundra]

oh yea

[frosty bridge]

Yeah it's fine but DK just doesn't get the debuff

[warm vortex]

In higher keys I assume you co-ordinate portals

[subtle tundra]

i never get to the portals first

cause range preposition

ofc

[warm vortex]

Sureee

[frosty bridge]

Like read this https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/s/bUZvTzBB8u

[blazing warren]

Cleft is a terrible dungeon, the darkenss mechanic sucks, i never liked Motherlorde, Mechagon is so run through that i am sick of this dungeon at this point, Rookery feels okayish, so does Meadery but it has a lot of annoying casts/mobs, the water dungoen probably will have some watery gimmick, ToP is goated so thats the only one i like

Bring back Kings Rest for one season please

[frosty bridge]

Every single boss tip and trick has a "if you're DK you can completely negate X"

[subtle tundra]

top goated
motherlode not liked

your opinion

[frosty bridge]

Wtf

[subtle tundra]

is dogshit

[subtle tundra]

you need to be banned
@balmy condor

please?

[blazing warren]

Dang people really dont enjoy ToP?

[warm vortex]

Top is beyond dogshit

[frosty bridge]

I like ToP, except it's a bit too long

[balmy condor]

wtf

[subtle tundra]

5 boss dungeon?

[frosty bridge]

But Kings rest??

[subtle tundra]

kings rest

[warm vortex]

Perma tyrannical 5 boss

[subtle tundra]

walking simulator

[warm vortex]

[subtle tundra]

gauntlet aaaah dungeon

[blazing warren]

You cannot tell me last boss of Kings Rest isnt an amazing fight

[subtle tundra]

annoying EVERYTHING

[warm vortex]

Bring us gnomer bliz

[balmy condor]

the last boss of kings rest isn't an amazing fight

[subtle tundra]

ok but the rest of the dungeon?

[blazing warren]

Rest of dungeon is fine too

I think the bosses are nice

[balmy condor]

nah

[subtle tundra]

?!?!?!??!?!?!

[balmy condor]

you're smoking crack

[blazing warren]

The tomb boss is hilarious

[frosty bridge]

Bro

[blazing warren]

The bird is kinda wierd, i never really liked it

But eh, its alright

I used to heal on that fight and liked it

[subtle tundra]

i love dungeons that have awful design, 0 creativity allowed, annoying mechanics

[frosty bridge]

They should have brought back HoA and Tazavesh but i guess they're saving them for the more fun later seasons

[subtle tundra]

gauntlet style mob spawning

[blazing warren]

Dang you would tell me Motherlord has more creativity than ToP?

[subtle tundra]

?!?!?!?!??!

MOTHERLODE IS OPEN AS FUCK

[blazing warren]

Oh yeah

Do most of the count in the first 1/3 of dungeon

[subtle tundra]

you can do whatever you want

[blazing warren]

Skip the rest

So open

[subtle tundra]

ok? that was back in bfa

let me remind you

blizz reworks the dungeon

[blazing warren]

So was Kings Rest

[warm vortex]

Kings rest is fucking shit

[blazing warren]

They reworked Mists for the worst tho

So idk

[subtle tundra]

blizz wont rework it being a hall

[rotund oak]

motherlode is poggers

love it

KR can burn in hell

[subtle tundra]

the bosses in motherlode are fun as well

[blazing warren]

I am really so surprised people liked Motherlorde

I hated it so much

[frosty bridge]

ToP bosses are kinda fun except Lich tbh

But it's too long

[subtle tundra]

except its 5 bosses

[rotund oak]

yup,and there is the flexibility to tp out on the camp and swap out specs

been doing fairly high keys in BFA

know all the tech

[frosty bridge]

Yeah, cut the lich wing completely and it's a good dungeon

[blazing warren]

What of the other 4 dungeons from TWW?

That we ll get

Cleft is big yuck

[subtle tundra]

rookery big fun

fast dungeon, fun pulls

[golden loom]

Cinderbrew is gonna pop off

[frosty bridge]

Cinderbrew will be the new Algethar

[warm vortex]

Never played motherlode but it looks fun

[rotund oak]

it is,very fun

[blazing warren]

^ lies

[warm vortex]

Isn’t there a super good trink in both motherlode and PotSF

[blazing warren]

Do not listen to this individual

[frosty bridge]

I remember Motherlode fondly but tbh i hated Waycrest in S3 so idk

[rotund oak]

azeroks heart

[warm vortex]

Dude you like kings rest

[blazing warren]

What is bad about it outside of the running

[warm vortex]

Next up your gonna say how SoA is peak and that TD is good

[rotund oak]

KR is the most unforgiving instance ever

[blazing warren]

Whats TD?

[warm vortex]

We have literally said it 100 times

[frosty bridge]

What's TD?

[rotund oak]

u couldnt die,it was gg

[warm vortex]

Tol dagor

[frosty bridge]

[rotund oak]

TD was some massive skipperino techs

[frosty bridge]

Fuck TD

[rotund oak]

but it was bugged

with the wall pulls

[blazing warren]

I liked the Rogue skip in TD but dont like that dungeon really

[rotund oak]

but the cannon tech was crazy

[warm vortex]

Spires is just shit

[rotund oak]

there are like 10 skips in TD

all rogue ones

[subtle tundra]

td was good if you ignore the whole being in a building thing + pulling through walls

[warm vortex]

Firstly it’s like a flashbang

And also I love being carried for 40 seconds by angels!!!!!!

Also last boss is so boring and easy but pigs still fuck it up

[blazing warren]

Kinda agreed on Spires

Black Inky Potion goated in there

[frosty bridge]

Yeah Spires wasn't great that's for sure, but there was fun stuff

Like playing double angel before last boss

[warm vortex]

We need og full wailing caverns

[blazing warren]

What about Priory?

[warm vortex]

4 hour timer

Prolly gonna be either mid or shit

[blazing warren]

I like the dungeon but feel like its gonna get overwhelming quick

That boss area with constant Consecration spam

[subtle tundra]

just hope they wont abandon dungeon changes too fast

like they did df s2

[golden loom]

both Priory and rookery are gonna be super quick ones tho right

[blazing warren]

Tbh i dont really mind long dungeons, i liked De Other Side a lot

But the running was annoying

[warm vortex]

On use: ??? My beloved

[subtle tundra]

i just cant wait for city of threads to be gone...

[warm vortex]

Me too buddy

Me too

[blazing warren]

Whats so bad about city?

Dang

Only bad part is the spy minigame

[subtle tundra]

love gaining 1 minute of time bcs of rng spawn + patrols

wow!

[warm vortex]

I hope next season doesn’t have needless RP

Unaware

[warm vortex]

For me it’s just

[blazing warren]

Well

[warm vortex]

Everything hits super hard

All the bosses suck to play

[blazing warren]

I think the water dungoen will have some gimmick

So im afraid of it

[subtle tundra]

you just think

[warm vortex]

Underwater boss

Poggies

[subtle tundra]

wait for ptr

stop thinking about it

[blazing warren]

Dang

Why not

[warm vortex]

They can change the dungeon

[golden loom]

I am probably the worst player in the game at CoT last boss so im happy to see it gone (skill issue)

[blazing warren]

They often dont change dungeons tho

So that sucks too

[subtle tundra]

cause....we know nothing about it?

[warm vortex]

Didn’t they change like hollow

Or smth

Because if they didn’t it would be horrible

[blazing warren]

So just because you know nothing you cannot think what it might be or have a prediction?

Damn

[subtle tundra]

well youre complaining about something

thats based on nothing

so uh

aight

[warm vortex]

Should I eat this

[subtle tundra]

5kcal

[blazing warren]

I mean thats just my prediction

[subtle tundra]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[warm vortex]

Yes

Bulk diet

[subtle tundra]

wtf

is that project zomboid?

[warm vortex]

Yes

[subtle tundra]

holy goated

[warm vortex]

I remember making a

I think it was

“ Beer, beer and carrot stew”

[subtle tundra]

why cant real life have that

smh...

living my fantasy through a video game

[warm vortex]

True

I love how drinking rainwater kills you

I remember accidentally fucking up while power leveling first aid once

[subtle tundra]

thers hilarious ways to die

[warm vortex]

Still find it funny how the fastest way to level first aid is to just

Stand in broken glass and constantly remove glass from your feet

[rotund oak]

thats actually sacrilege my man,WM is an all-time-beloved by almost all of the community

like no one hates WM

ever

[warm vortex]

Well

I can see one reason

To hate WM

[rotund oak]

its just poggers,the whole dark-horror-witch thang

[warm vortex]

And that is if you are a clumsy bean

[subtle tundra]

i dont like WM

[warm vortex]

And backpulo

Are you a clumsy bean Varas

[rotund oak]

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-burrito-burrito-gif-27664931

[subtle tundra]

i dont hate WM, but nothing to like either

[rotund oak]

ok no s@x from now on

[warm vortex]

Is this you

[subtle tundra]

thats very close to me

im orange cat

[rotund oak]

uwu

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/whiskers-mmm-hmm-suspicious-sus-gif-11609747178733891907

This you @subtle tundra

[warm vortex]

OW<
I’m wall snwuggily in wis bwurriot

Tbh a good response to that would be

[rotund oak]

varas is like the best hotdog in the universe that adds half a bottle of the finnest tabasco

cant possibly eat

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/reginald-angry-eating-angry-eating-monster-house-gif-20013301

[subtle tundra]

meow

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/chat-cat-trahison-betrayal-meurtre-gif-8287358859122756113

[brazen sluice]

could any assassin expert tells me if the talent build in sheet is updated or not? if so does our rotation change? im like 2 weeks rogue who wants to learn it but idk which resources to rely on other than guides and these discord channels

[warm vortex]

Wow head should be fine for rota

There isn’t really an “optimal build” for M+, which I assume you are asking for

You have a lot of freedom in choice for your talent build

[brazen sluice]

yeh but if a certain talent build has higher numbers in sims dont we use it? and does it affect the rotation?

coz i simmed and talents in sheet simmed higher than wowheads talent in dslice

so idk

[warm vortex]

Well in that case, you would never run iron wire

And I’ve had a build where dropping kingsbane for SD simmed higher, but it would ruin my st

[warm vortex]

And I guess if you drop serrated bone spike you would have to FoK after a rupture

Show what talent build you run

[subtle tundra]

play the wowhead one

with subterfuge + sbs

why?

[warm vortex]

That is a very… interesting build
If you like it you can carry on but it is worth it to try what Varas is saying

[subtle tundra]

cause subterfuge and sbs give fun

and they are very good for dps

[warm vortex]

For the opener with that, you would need to FoK after a rupture

[tawdry mica]

isn't sudden demise like good for "low" keys

[brazen sluice]

sorry but what is sbs

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/scCfRfRbzkwPd3PBBwTqLJ

also the build simmed higher for me

[subtle tundra]

it is
but guess what, its good in high keys too

[warm vortex]

Serrated bone spike

[warm vortex]

It takes a while to build in lower keys

Without SBS or subterfuge

[tawdry mica]

i see many players ignoring it and i find it very decent

like good players I mean

[midnight mist]

because its bad st right

[subtle tundra]

yea buddy cause the difference between ttk sd and sb is whatever

[subtle tundra]

no?

[brazen sluice]

i did some 12s-13s is it low lvls?

[subtle tundra]

its more st than sb

[midnight mist]

i meant

not sbs

[subtle tundra]

yes, demise

[midnight mist]

ye

[subtle tundra]

its better than sb

[midnight mist]

what is sb

[subtle tundra]

for st