assassination

[arctic socket]

I have a lot of different nicknames

[grim jay]

Doubt you can get into anything higher than like 2-3 with 570

[spice spire]

In delves?

[grim jay]

What

[vast shuttle]

is there any specefik mythic + i should do? iam very new to pve

[grim jay]

He said m+

[spice spire]

Yeah and read my comment above the one you replied to

[grim jay]

I only go by Kitten and Cutie

[spice spire]

Old man too

[grim jay]

Im the oldest 28yo around

[spice spire]

I have a specific name for TO (it’s the name they use in this discord)

Did you just have a birthday?

[grim jay]

Dang I suck at reading

[grim jay]

About to, hence why oldest

[spice spire]

It’s okay kitten

Ahhh

When

[grim jay]

28th

[spice spire]

Adding it

[grim jay]

Dang, whens yours?

[vast shuttle]

bruh i cant get into any fking lobbys

[spice spire]

28th of a different month

[grim jay]

You strike me as an April guy

[arctic socket]

Kitten is over rated call me slim shady

[spice spire]

Okay slim shady

[grim jay]

Dont call me overrated, slimy

[spice spire]

I am not

[oak ore]

true

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah 570 is very very very very very very very low at this point in the season, you'll need some very generous groups to invite you

[vast shuttle]

tip i can do to get some decent gear?

[spice spire]

Delves

[cobalt sphinx]

LFR and the anniversary event maybe, idk what ilvl gear comes from the anniversary event

[spice spire]

Do your world quests

And get your keys

And delve

[vast shuttle]

ok have 2 delves keys will go do them now

[grim jay]

July

[spice spire]

[grim jay]

I had to use the search function

See how much you are worth to me

[spice spire]

Babe?

[grim jay]

Ravenholdt OGs just have a special place

[arctic socket]

Alice knows

They a goat

[grim jay]

Admit it

You got boosted

[arctic socket]

I wanna be boosted a mythic queen kill

[coral ibex]

create an egirl healslut persona online

join HOF guild

[gloomy heart]

30 mil

[coral ibex]

[grim jay]

Dont tell them about my plans

[gloomy heart]

its actually alot of gold for mythic raiders

[slate crown]

Is that all it costs?

[coral ibex]

"all"

[arctic socket]

i can pay in like

[gloomy heart]

I think

[arctic socket]

voice menmos

and

idk

[gloomy heart]

LOL

[coral ibex]

its hard to believe people are paying over $1000 for a mythic boost

[arctic socket]

30m is no where near that

[coral ibex]

idk i just googled "buy wow gold" and put in 30000K into the amount to buy on the first website

it said something like $1300

[novel star]

i really doubt it’s 30 mil

[arctic socket]

i will just sweet talk someone into carrying me

[novel star]

for just queen

[arctic socket]

throuhg it

[grim jay]

It is 30m

[snow kindle]

a full clear is like 25m

[arctic socket]

it dpeends on where you purchase it from

[snow kindle]

[grim jay]

40

[arctic socket]

full clears on boosting servers im in go for 20m

[snow kindle]

40 from who liquid

[grim jay]

Nova

[novel star]

ye they said queen kill not full clear

[grim jay]

Undiscounted

[novel star]

i would assume getting just CE and not the other shit is cheaper

[snow kindle]

7/8 only 10mil nah lol

(if it was 40m)

[coral ibex]

CE should require 8/8M

https://tenor.com/view/druski-shrug-idk-iono-hands-up-gif-7122581203490458147

[median igloo]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[grim jay]

24m

[snow kindle]

full runs are 20m

[grim jay]

40

Idk what com you are looking at

[snow kindle]

i mean do you wanna go see the booster servers

[grim jay]

I did

Just look it up

[snow kindle]

servers

not websites

[grim jay]

Ye Server

Discord.

[snow kindle]

weirdge

[grim jay]

My com is known to be a bit pricy

But usually not that pricy

[snow kindle]

i could see it if like it was week 1-2

but nerfed queen is so free

[oak ore]

570 is where u start tanking 10s

[spice spire]

Real

I totally didn’t roll up to a 4 mists on fort week and fail the first pull at 580

[oak ore]

ok my dk was 588

i lied

sry

[spice spire]

Oh you had real toons as backup

[grim jay]

Both other big coms are nearly the same tho

[oak ore]

pala can 580

i think these dungeons are still too hard though

tanking is too hard that’s why no one plays it

[cobalt sphinx]

Affirmative

[oak ore]

synced double wifi tankbuster in grim batol

like wtfff

[quasi coyote]

ye i been tanking 10's on my pali and idk what is going on ever

but somehow i live

[vast shuttle]

what can i do with radiant echo?

[cobalt sphinx]

Maybe pally and warrior are different but my dk dies to everything instantly in 10s

[quasi coyote]

well im not a tank but im p sure dk is higher skill req

than pali at least

[cobalt sphinx]

When i tanked df s1 there was no skill requirement because nothing hurts

[quasi coyote]

yea maybe its just the dungeons this season

[oak ore]

dk always gets oneshot by everything

[quasi coyote]

(they all suck btw can we hurry up and go next pls)

[oak ore]

it’s tuned around utility that it can’t press

:))

insanely hard dungeons and insanely punishing timers

one tank death and you’ve depleted

[quasi coyote]

well in higher keys yea

[oak ore]

i legit don’t know who they’re designing this game for

[quasi coyote]

think ive timed an arakara with like 40 deaths this season

10

[cobalt sphinx]

Timers have been pretty free for me this xpac, even with deaths

Up to 3070ish rating

[quasi coyote]

just depends on where the grp wipes

[cobalt sphinx]

Mists is actually the tightest timer in my experience

[quasi coyote]

some keys have insane run backs lol

[quasi coyote]

ok this just isnt true XD

[oak ore]

i think m+ should specifically be balanced around the high end

where variance has to be low

[quasi coyote]

grim batol is by far the tightest

[lucid basalt]

Hey bois

[oak ore]

hi lashga

[quasi coyote]

in 12+

[lucid basalt]

can anyone dm me highest sim aoe assa talents? for m+

[grim jay]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[cobalt sphinx]

Wowhead hybrid should be good

[cobalt sphinx]

We still did a 13 first try with a full wipe though lol

[quasi coyote]

yea idk man gb was by far the most punishing and tightest key ive done on 14 but maybe im just unlucky idk

think it was timed with like 1 min left with 1 death all good dps good route

just depends on pulls ig

[exotic apex]

look at these carries rofl

everyone else is 630 lol

[oak ore]

i don’t know what to tell you man

you do it

[exotic apex]

i pay for my runs to gear up alts, no shame

[oak ore]

i made friends by being good at the game

[exotic apex]

https://tenor.com/view/i-think-you-should-leave-tim-robinson-you-sure-sure-sure-about-that-gif-10141155136692995405

[oak ore]

do you think players being 630 means the mobs don’t attack you? or..

[exotic apex]

not at all, just being 630 is overpowered for a 10

[trim night]

is it worth buying mythic items of AH?

[oak ore]

shrug

[coral ibex]

depends on your needs

[oak ore]

i’d pug them but pugs don’t press kick

[coral ibex]

kind of a waste of gold to buy a boe now

[exotic apex]

thats half the fun, pulls are spicy

[oak ore]

that’s not fun

bolts oneshot you at 580

there’s no counterplay

esp pala is gcd locked

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah if they're cheap or affordable they're a good source of upgrades

[oak ore]

not going to say it’s not disgustingly op though

[exotic apex]

howd you live

[oak ore]

buying boes used to be worth it for crests

if you can reliably get myth track items it’s not worth

and even then it’s not worth until you can’t get reliable upgrades

[exotic apex]

realy only wfr buy mythic BOEs

[trim night]

well i can get once a week from vault

[oak ore]

yeah vault is always the risk

[timber sage]

!shiv

[lavish geyser]

I just noticed that I have completely forgotten to socket my items, mostly cause I have been broke for some time so it didnt cross my mind. Im filling em all up rn, is it gonna be a nice dps upgrade?

[oak ore]

i bought shoulders on my dh

you can do whatever

[exotic apex]

not really no

[oak ore]

main advantage of boes is guaranteeing tertiaries

[lavish geyser]

bruh. so its just a waste of gold?

[oak ore]

gems are a lot of dps lol

[exotic apex]

i mean, its min max, but i dont think youll notice it

[oak ore]

sim it

in top gear the + by items lets you add max sockets

[exotic apex]

think its like 1700dps a gem?

could be more?

[lavish geyser]

including the primary stat one?

[exotic apex]

maybe like 2200?

each sim is different though, so i dont know exact numbers

[balmy condor]

the primary stat one requires you optimize around it and get 4 diff colors

and it's only SLIGHTLY better

war within consumables are just giga ass

[lavish geyser]

love to hear it

[exotic apex]

giga ass and super costly

[lavish geyser]

idk Ill just do it so I wont get kicked from keys

[exotic apex]

the trinkets are kinda shat too, so it makes sense

[lavish geyser]

have gotten lucky so far ig

[exotic apex]

doubt youll get kicked for gems

[lavish geyser]

had multiple ppl just insta leave

[balmy condor]

because of gems?

[exotic apex]

whats your ilvl

[lavish geyser]

yessirs

629

well now its 630 but I have been 629 for a while

[exotic apex]

did yall not have a lust or something?

[balmy condor]

m+ don't brainrot challenge impossible difficulty

[lavish geyser]

nono

he Pm'ed me

[exotic apex]

i wouldve told him to pound sand

[oak ore]

it’s just an effort thing i think

ppl see you don’t have consumes and think you’re egoing

[lavish geyser]

was kinda cringe ngl. Idk just told dude that I couldnt afford it, and it made no sense that he left cause of it

[torpid badge]

!shiv

[exotic apex]

i dont run flasks or food or oil in anything below a 10

[spice spire]

Literally never thought that in my life

[lavish geyser]

I run consumes

I dont with 11 and under though

[lucid basalt]

sanguine blades or sudden demise

[lavish geyser]

ill eat at 60g meal, for 11 and under, but nothjing else

[lucid basalt]

aoe M+

[exotic apex]

same and only once lol

for me its not about the gold, but it just feels supid just for such little gain

i do like battle potions though

[oak ore]

idk certain people claim sudden demise is good in high keys

i think it’s bait but i see why

speed doesn’t play it

[lavish geyser]

I just dont rly care tbh, and its a nice way to save gols

gold

[balmy condor]

why is it bait

[torpid badge]

where that shiv macro at

[oak ore]

cuz it doesn’t have any tangible effect on timer

[balmy condor]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[torpid badge]

ty

[balmy condor]

10% bleed damage doesn't have a tangible effect on timer?

[oak ore]

you’d pick it for the bleed damage yes

the execute is worthless

[balmy condor]

sure

but if it sims higher why not take it

[vast shuttle]

what can i do with ilvl 574 just finished delves 7 and i have no keys left

[oak ore]

i agree

[lavish geyser]

why choose?

[exotic apex]

jump into LFR and then start running low keys (your own key most likely)

[oak ore]

i was under the impression it simmed abt equal to sanguine blades, hence why it’s negligible to drop it

and why people do drop it

[balmy condor]

yeah but that's typical m+ dumbfucks

cause those same people turn around and tell you that they're gonna take more single target damage for bosses cause boss damage so bad

and then take sanguine blades

so like

idk

[oak ore]

idk the lore on that

ppl are ride or die for the dogshit execute though so i figured that was the question

misinterpreted

[balmy condor]

not really lore, just the m+ community being the literal stupidest community in all of gaming

[quasi coyote]

https://i.imgur.com/2sOkUBX.jpeg this is only based build rn

ethical

build

[spice surge]

What would be the reason you'd call this ethical

[quasi coyote]

i do more dmg?

r u trolling?

[balmy condor]

wake me up when we aren't m+ meta anymore I'm going into cryostasis

[novel star]

it sims the same but you cant sim the execute

so its just like

better

[coral ibex]

5% aoe damage!!!

so ethical!!!

[exotic apex]

is sin still meta for keys?

[lavish geyser]

ye'

[quasi coyote]

imagine running iron wire tho

[novel star]

why wouldnt it be

[quasi coyote]

not a dps inc

[novel star]

we havent gotten any nerfs

that matter

[exotic apex]

st is poop, aoe is decent

[torn mist]

!haste

[west crown]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[lavish geyser]

just pull into bosses, get padding. duh

[novel star]

Ye but thats been true since day 1 of the xpac and weve been good in m+ the whole time

[exotic apex]

i heard outlaw will be better next season idk

[lavish geyser]

for WaT build btw, do you use 1 vanish for dmg amp for last 6 sec of kingsbane, and just keep 1 for reapplying garrotes?

[lavish geyser]

NICE!

idk I just dipped after loosing acro

soo sad

[balmy condor]

????????????????????

the season we have no info on?

[lavish geyser]

he has a feeling

[novel star]

there is no strict best way to use vanish

[lavish geyser]

trust

[lavish geyser]

idk I have never played it

[novel star]

you use the first charge like you would use vanish when you dont have wat

and then

hold the 2nd one

to use on whatever you want

because vanish can be used for a lot of different things

[quasi coyote]

outlaw is fun af but keep it rolling in pugs u might as well altf4

[balmy condor]

mplussers have fully lost the plot

[lavish geyser]

but you dont wanna use it for increased crit?

[oak ore]

the execute sucks

but if it sims the same no reason not to

[novel star]

the execute is fine

the point wasnt about the execute though

[oak ore]

it is not a negative at least

ye

[lavish geyser]

pugging is just ggs.

[novel star]

its simming identically while missing value

but regardless the sd execute really isnt that bad

[exotic apex]

i think people were saying it due to the mob count in dungeons

[novel star]

you can

[balmy condor]

unreal

[novel star]

but if you vanish for ma

[oak ore]

just vanish for iron wire

[novel star]

you arent vanishing for iron wire / carnage

[balmy condor]

and what if the tier bonus sucks for outlaw?

[oak ore]

that talent is do op

so*

[weary spear]

Is there a way to sim prio damage? Like if I wanted to see what kills necromancers in NW quicker - forced induction build or subter/MA

[lavish geyser]

no what if. its gonna suck, trust

[exotic apex]

that i dont know, im just glad i learned sin just in case anything happens so i can play 2 rogue specs now

[lavish geyser]

wym like I can? like I can if I wanna deal more dmg?

[novel star]

i mean you can

and stop trying to boil vanish down to a cd that is only used for 1 thing

because it's not

[balmy condor]

forced induction

[oak ore]

play sub in nw

[lavish geyser]

we have 2 charges and a talent that gives ud dmg with it brohta

[novel star]

i understand

[lavish geyser]

you can use 1

and the other like normal vanish

[novel star]

you also have many other talents that interact with vanish

and things you can do with vanish just on its own regardless of talents

[balmy condor]

also just in general for prio damage sims

the prio damage is just "play deathstalker"

[spice surge]

The first half of NW is pretty much exclusively priority damage, which means assa is insano

[balmy condor]

any optimization for more prio is less aoe and that means less singular focus so it ends up being worse

it's strange but like

[spice surge]

But ye sub is significantly stronger on the last boss and better on penultimate boss

[balmy condor]

regular rotation is already by default the highest prio

[novel star]

you can vanish for kb, or you can vanish for chainpulls, or you can vanish for iw, or you can vanish to reapply dsm on a boss like 1st of mists

or you can vanish roots

figure it out!!!

[balmy condor]

I have figured it out

playing ret pala

[novel star]

idk

[oak ore]

use vanish for whatever makes you live

[novel star]

vanish is just a cool cd man

[oak ore]

usually this is iron wire

[novel star]

it can do many things

be creative.

or something

[balmy condor]

bro do not tell mplussers to be creative

that's how we burn down the kitchen

[novel star]

ok creative wrong word maybe

[waxen oyster]

But whispyr

i saw a streamer play this once

[novel star]

but u get what i mean surely.

[waxen oyster]

surely it must be good

You know you are cooked when you are even the butt end of gromnak's jokes.

[lavish geyser]

ok im gonna be creative and use it for dmg

[waxen oyster]

At that point it's not recoverable.

[novel star]

sure

[balmy condor]

actually I think 2/2 subterfuge is bait because you can't vanish to refresh master assassin if it's in the subterfuge window due to bug so it doesn't line up, that's why 1/2 subterfuge better so you can vanish without worrying for bug

[novel star]

using it for damage doesnt mean anything but thats the beauty of vanish

[balmy condor]

T R U S T

[novel star]

send it

[novel star]

fuck you man

https://tenor.com/view/uni-cat-gif-16508948274886257497

[waxen oyster]

I swear m+ers

[balmy condor]

that's a real thing I've had to read with my eyes btw

[waxen oyster]

make up entire graduate thesis worth of tinfoil theories on why they dont get pug invites

when the solution is: get more ilvl

[novel star]

one day soon im gonna open this channel and itll be something fun to talk about again

[waxen oyster]

or get more friends

[oak ore]

whispyr u want some unicorn gummies

[novel star]

like cloaking the sweep on sikran

isnt that fun

[balmy condor]

no I want m+ deleted

[novel star]

BAAAAAAAASED

[waxen oyster]

REAL

RETWEET

[oak ore]

m+ is already deleted

lol

[balmy condor]

clearly not

cause this channel is flooded with the fuckers

[oak ore]

every season is the worst season

[quasi coyote]

bro what r u guys on about

[oak ore]

all the cool players quit

gg..

[quasi coyote]

m+ is only fun part of wow

[lavish geyser]

idk I just feel like there are piss dungeons and just good dungeons. Dont feel like GB makes the season bad

[balmy condor]

that is the worst take I've ever seen

[quasi coyote]

raid prog turbo boring lol

[oak ore]

sv is bad

[waxen oyster]

People act like wow is a moba capping out at 2-3 key levels above weekly vault level.

[oak ore]

gb is bad

they made mists worse

[lavish geyser]

Idk sv isnt that bad imo, some pulls are sketch but

[oak ore]

dawnbreaker is whatever

i mean these dungeons are just trash

[quasi coyote]

i mean my opinion stems from experience

[waxen oyster]

Bro calls content turbo boring while doing the same dungeon for 8 hours a day

[lavish geyser]

what do you do when you dont raid twice a week? if you dont m+? pet battles?

[waxen oyster]

Same mechanic higher % tuning

💀

[spice surge]

They were trying sub and didnt believe me when i said that the first dance is good since theyre "going to be chaining anyway" (it was a dawnbreaker)

[balmy condor]

m+ only players in 2024 are like the pvp only players in 2010

[cobalt sphinx]

Raid was solved like 2 months ago so the only questions in here are regarding m+

[quasi coyote]

I did mythic raid in df and ppl were so bad in my guild holding me back type shit made me not wanna do it anymore

[cobalt sphinx]

or court timings

[spice surge]

Rather pick weaponmaster which is +1% to tfd in a pure 5 min ST fight

[waxen oyster]

And now you cap out at 12 keys

[novel star]

okay but that doesnt mean m+ is the only fun part of wow

[oak ore]

i’m not sure that m+ or raid are particularly fun for me atp.. considering an ffxiv hop

[waxen oyster]

Really challenging content!

[novel star]

that just means you applied to a bad guild

and should apply to a better one

[quasi coyote]

bro u a mog farmer?

[cobalt sphinx]

Unfortunately this is a space dominated by proud raid loggers

[novel star]

not really im too lazy to cook mogs

[lavish geyser]

played pvp right when sub got gutted in df, so stopped, and just started m+

[oak ore]

proud m+ers can’t read so

[quasi coyote]

ok well M+ only fun part of wow everything else is mid final take

[waxen oyster]

No they just live in yoda/dorki/whatever m+ rat's stream is.

[lavish geyser]

pvp is decent tbh

[quasi coyote]

but i also dont have a guild

[waxen oyster]

For 10 hours a day.

and pretend they're good

[quasi coyote]

thats good

[novel star]

whatever makes you happy legend. its a video game at the end of the day

[quasi coyote]

so maybe my opinion would change if i did

[lavish geyser]

pugging keys is just the worst experience ever

[balmy condor]

yeah we get that too except iron wire isn't damage so I'm taking sanguine blades (awful single target) and then I complain about boss damage (there's a better alternative available but I think it's a bait talent cause I can't rub my braincells together)

[spice surge]

[quasi coyote]

if ur down in the slums yea

[waxen oyster]

Nah it's bad at any key level

[oak ore]

it’s unfortunate that the game is so poorly designed atp that we have to have these discussions

[exotic apex]

i had this pally tank leave last boss of a 13 NW since we wiped once, we had 10 minutes left too

[quasi coyote]

pugging this season has honestly not been as bad as df for me

[waxen oyster]

Because you didnt do the strat of the streamer he watches 10 hours a day.

[novel star]

wdym

[lavish geyser]

ran 13 nw as well some time ago, and first pull shammy just, didnt lust... and dude said after "yeah well you still died"

[quasi coyote]

when pushing for score

[waxen oyster]

Correct to the letter.

Honestly if you only do m+ all season

and don't get title

actually cringe

[lavish geyser]

idk its only cot tbh

[cobalt sphinx]

Yep, i don’t love the m+ system but i love playing rogue, and m+ is the only place to play rogue outside of Tuesdays

[oak ore]

df talent trees were a mistake and more focus should probably be put towards clarifying intent and thematics

[lavish geyser]

cause you need a semi competent healer

everything else is ez

[quasi coyote]

ok this is just an elitist take

[waxen oyster]

Like there's 0 reward for m+

if no title

KSH is have your keyboard plugged in

[oak ore]

the value of talents should not be deceptive and implicit hidden behind sims

but ig that’s always how it’s been

[balmy condor]

what

[novel star]

people did stupid shit with talents before dragonflight anyway

[spice surge]

Theyre not

[balmy condor]

whats that even mean lmao

[lavish geyser]

@exotic apex just got my sims back, and I gain 24k dps

[novel star]

but also idk about deceptive

[waxen oyster]

People act like they're big dogs for doing 12 keys that the actual good players did 2 months ago

with less gear

[waxen oyster]

is double vanish good

[lavish geyser]

keys kinda start at 12 ngl

[waxen oyster]

anyone know chat

[oak ore]

game design sucks and old talents were better

[exotic apex]

sounds about right for like 8 gems

[waxen oyster]

[balmy condor]

also don't get it twisted, sims are only the answer to a community that has fostered an environment where they demand more and more accurate numbers

[novel star]

its alright

[lavish geyser]

im simming like 60k more

[waxen oyster]

No im talking df

[oak ore]

yes this too is toxic

[lavish geyser]

5

[waxen oyster]

where people were convinced double vanish was the best way to play

[oak ore]

but it’s too late to kill it

so idk

[novel star]

idk i didnt play df until szn 3 and i was havocing my shit that patch

straight hunting my shit

[waxen oyster]

Like if i read a dumb talent take in a class discord it's like

90% of the time from an m+ main

i swear

[lavish geyser]

only played first half of df szn 4

[exotic apex]

how u get 5? 2 in both rings and 2 in neck

[lavish geyser]

greatest wow experience ever

[oak ore]

i think there’s some perspective in seeing how other game devs talk about their games that makes wow feel like a fundamental failure

[balmy condor]

okay conservative number I like it

[coral ibex]

wack take, results in extremely boring talents that have literally no choice involved

[oak ore]

lots of choice involved in current talents for sure

[lavish geyser]

I can get 2 in both?

[exotic apex]

yes

[spice spire]

Certified hater

[lavish geyser]

broooo

[coral ibex]

i’d rather have lots of talent options that benefit from knowing what is good when

[exotic apex]

2 in both

[spice spire]

Damn

[oak ore]

you can choose between 3 talent points that don’t matter

much choice

[lavish geyser]

does that mean I can get 3 for a crafted one that already has 1 socket?

[balmy condor]

if m+ has no haters then I'm dead

[exotic apex]

no its only up to 2

[coral ibex]

not only is this reductive it also completely misses the point!

[spice spire]

Me too king

[waxen oyster]

Has someone asked if they can drop iron wire today.

[spice spire]

Push keys? Homie just hit therapy damn

[waxen oyster]

because 1% dps matters

[spice spire]

Yes

[lavish geyser]

idk why, but I do love just hearing ppl cry abt dungeons being too hard, I feel like its like that every week. I dont get it

[coral ibex]

what you pushing bud?

[waxen oyster]

It's not even "too" hard.

[balmy condor]

dungeons too hard in my infinitely scaling content?

couldn't be

[spice spire]

Whispyr’s Colon with my tongue

[oak ore]

it’s an accurate assessment of the state of the game

[coral ibex]

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor "brainrot" is the word of 2024 btw

im convinced that m+ played a bigger part in that

[coral ibex]

“i’m right bc i say so” oh brother

[oak ore]

lots of things that were baseline were expunged and turned into talent points

many class and spec trees (druid) have been mangled since df release

and it’s hard to untangle this on a fundamental level

[balmy condor]

I was rooting for slop

but happy for brainrot

[coral ibex]

don’t worry bfa classic will come out in 2 years

your time will come

[oak ore]

i don’t know what talent points you think you choose

[lavish geyser]

idk, thought the best point in this szn is just getting rid of these piss affixes.

[oak ore]

atrophic and mind numbing is a choice node

cheat and elusiveness are choice nodes

[royal lantern]

wdym if you put "dmg/health multiplied by 1.40" a couple times the dmg gets high????????????

[oak ore]

these are functionally the same as old talent trees

[lavish geyser]

its almost like ppl dont want to acknowledge they arent as good as they think. but no, its the games fault

[exotic apex]

100%

[royal lantern]

well yeha ofc

[spice surge]

Yes, but it feels better

[royal lantern]

how else should they do it?

[exotic apex]

give us back the 15 talents to choose from

[spice surge]

Because you can make a "wrong" choice if you want to

[oak ore]

the shouldn’t do it at all

[royal lantern]

make 70 new talents/abilitys?

[waxen oyster]

I love when people use the "boring" argument

[spice surge]

And feel like youre "cheating the system" or whatever

[waxen oyster]

As if you aren't doing the exact same dungeons for months

Except with slightly higher hp and damage!

[oak ore]

who is actually doing this in practice

[spice surge]

Tons of people in m+ as assa

[lavish geyser]

honestly 90% of playerbase would be gone if details was banned

XD

[coral ibex]

i know its hard to imagine how people play the game outside of your opaque bubble

but try

[oak ore]

if you surveyed the greater community how many people would express that choosing the wrong talents makes them feel good

[oak ore]

please stop typing to me

[royal lantern]

raids are boring, its always the same fights for the entire tier->goes into GB for the 60th time in 2 months, but now enemys do 230% more dmg instead of 198%

[oak ore]

you are inflammatory and ignorant

[royal lantern]

[spice surge]

"Wrong"

[waxen oyster]

Nah wdym now you actually have to press interrupt that the cast does 230% instead of 198.

Instead of just playing fotm and bruteforcing it with numbers.

[coral ibex]

the projection is crazy, you've yet to make any positive argument for the old talents other than "i'm too boring of a person to see the use in talent choice"

[cobalt sphinx]

does dropping bonerspike count? and FI over subterfuge?

[coral ibex]

[oak ore]

sure

[oak ore]

no, you’re set on a binary choice and class discord brainrot has made you incapable of a discussion with any depth

[cobalt sphinx]

those are cool choices that don't really amount to a whole lot, but still change the way you play

[waxen oyster]

Dropping bonespike is fine.

[oak ore]

you’re big mad i’m not immediately agreeing with you

[spice surge]

But like, if the talent systems do the exact same thing for 90% of the players as the old one, why not let the other 10% enjoy it

[royal lantern]

^

[oak ore]

and, to be clear, you haven’t ASKED me to “make an argument for old talents”

[coral ibex]

what depth buddy your entire point is "new talents bad" with literally no unique points

you've admitted the current talents are identical to old talents

what point are you making

lmao

[oak ore]

u are getting blocked

[royal lantern]

why do people get angry about talent trees now, nothing really changed in that regard

[coral ibex]

W

[exotic apex]

you cant have 90% of youre players not like something so 10% can enjoy it

[spice surge]

Thats not what i said

[coral ibex]

functionally the same but definitely different and worse!!!

[royal lantern]

90% of players hate the new talent trees.....? what?

the reception is overall positive lol

[oak ore]

i’m not angry about trees i am voicing a complaint that ultimately is just about the culture of the game

[coral ibex]

you can't make it up

[exotic apex]

i didnt say that

[oak ore]

i would just be interested in seeing if the number is really as big as 10%

but i can see players enjoying just the fact that there are so many nodes

[spice surge]

Im fairly sure its higher than that tbh, but the exact number isnt relevant

[oak ore]

it can be as simple as that, that’s acceptable

[lavish geyser]

only important thing in this game is just getting a faaat mog. it will increase dmg and just your playing abilities

[coral ibex]

got a lot of conjecture going on and not a lot of data

really easy to make points that way

i don't like the talents -> i'm right -> other people agree with me -> most people dont like the talents

[exotic apex]

theres just a lot of nodes, but how many do we actually play with? aside from blizz tuning that changes what talents we pick

[oak ore]

number is not relevant, just a difference in design opinion ig

[lavish geyser]

that is a nice argument there, you got some data to back it up?🧐

[oak ore]

and it’s a bit of a nebulous concept to begin with because you can’t actually know how much dev time is placed where

[coral ibex]

big sack of data right here

[oak ore]

you can drop a hypothetical about maybe untangling new talent trees has ripped dev attention where it could have been put to expanding thematics of the base class design

but can’t really know

[lavish geyser]

to small sample size there. Not reliable

[cobalt sphinx]

funnily enough, rogue talents aren't nearly as bad as fdk talents

some classes run literally one build for ALL content

[exotic apex]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-weak-sauce-im-ded-dead-i'm-dead-gif-11431878223492195657

[lavish geyser]

dh is kinda getting slapped though

[oak ore]

rogue talents have been fine for a while bc realz is a beast

[cobalt sphinx]

we swap a lot of points for raid

[oak ore]

and he is also one of the only devs that talks to us

[cobalt sphinx]

even though fatebound is hot garbage

[royal lantern]

ye, but thats kinda obvious

like, the thing is simply: what did people expect in that regard? that blizz adds talent trees and it will end up being "you have your full old kit + all nodes are exciting new things!" ? thats not how it works at all

ofc most nodes are kinda whatever things that you have to take cus of pathing/are so crucial to the spec that they are default picks, and in the end its just a couple talents that actually matter, but that was obvious from day 1

[cobalt sphinx]

it could be better

[oak ore]

for good reason btw

[balmy condor]

a lot of people would prefer that

[oak ore]

wow players are fucking rude and entitled

[cobalt sphinx]

true

[exotic apex]

they have lots of movement, when dh is OP its one of those classes that everyone plays

[quasi coyote]

bro build diversity is cool tho

[royal lantern]

yes, but then its ALSO bad because "no options" (and options are also bad because then you need to sim all the time omg)

you know wow players

[balmy condor]

yeah that requires thinking though

[quasi coyote]

i like specs that have a core gameplay loop for both M+ and raid

[coral ibex]

if you ask alice there is literally no diversity

no choices you make matter

[waxen oyster]

Build diversity when there is a numerical difference between builds-

[quasi coyote]

ret paladin

zzz

[lavish geyser]

idk I think rogue is the perfect class for all content

[exotic apex]

true, ig i just think its a little messy

[lavish geyser]

raid I would go more into sub

[royal lantern]

ye, it is a bit messy

[lavish geyser]

and for m+ it would be more outlaw and assa

[royal lantern]

but like, the trees work overall, so idk why its a big deal suddenly

[waxen oyster]

Shamans have decent utility variety at least.

[royal lantern]

HERO trees? yeha thats a shitshow

[lavish geyser]

and pet battles, well that is 100% a sub thing

[waxen oyster]

In their base class tree.

Like it actually feels, odd

How many util points i can move around compared to on rogue

[oak ore]

kind of a cat and mouse game

wow players expect entirely new systems every single expac

cuz that’s what they started doing

[waxen oyster]

Rogue you kind of have

[oak ore]

now they have to make them and that’s actually pretty hard

[waxen oyster]

maybe 3-4 util points?

that can really be moved

[coral ibex]

yea i mean a lot of stuff is baseline

so you don't have to choose

[royal lantern]

well, rogue doessnt really have that much utility you can move around in the first place

[lavish geyser]

idk tbh I would just love for classes to be able to mog other kinds of armor types

Like the stuff you can wear

like gimme cloth man

or something

[oak ore]

i agree w this

[lavish geyser]

nothing hurts more then getting a hella cool helm, and then its plate

[waxen oyster]

I mean their argument is out the window.

Have you seen some cosmetic sets lately.

[oak ore]

armor type restriction is outdated because they haven’t made a good mail mog in 15 yrs

[waxen oyster]

You have a set that looks like an arcane mage

entirely cosmetic.

And then the variann gladiator set is too

[lavish geyser]

I think it was last month where we had like 3 sets of leather, like 1 of the sets looked like it was leather, and the rest I didnt think was leather at al

all

[oak ore]

my biggest complaint as of recent is them making items with colors that match nothing

[lavish geyser]

yeah

[oak ore]

smolderon sword color matches no set in the game

[lavish geyser]

that is a big one

[waxen oyster]

Which color

of the smold sword

[royal lantern]

mate, they made a entire new race and didnt give them full transmog, while at the same time making the game more and more about cosmetic rewards

[waxen oyster]

Harvest golem set being cosmetic

[royal lantern]

i mean fuck, my frking worgen can see a fully displayed Evoker tierset, but evokers themself cant

actual clown behaivor

[oak ore]

worgens don’t even have tails

[lavish geyser]

they dont?

[waxen oyster]

There's 4 colors to this sword

I personally like the blue one from LFR

[lavish geyser]

I hate when something just doesnt fit, it almost fits. Like often when it comes to pink / purple.

[waxen oyster]

It looks super clean if you slap sinful flame on it.

[lucid basalt]

Rogue Tree for this build ?

[lavish geyser]

I would like to get daggers to be able to be mogged to something else as well

[blissful pecan]

Whats better between doing ambush - garrote - rupture - fan of knoves and ambush - garrote - fok - rupture?

[waxen oyster]

Hidden skin with sinful flame

or gurubashi pokers

[lavish geyser]

I ema´n we have this

but that is kinda it, no?

[waxen oyster]

Power torrent better

[balmy condor]

the first doesn't overcap your combo points, the second does

[blissful pecan]

So would you recommend doing first

[lavish geyser]

what is that?

[warm vortex]

Imagine assa with one handed mogs

[balmy condor]

yes, wasting resources is generally a bad idea so I would recommend not doing that

[waxen oyster]

changes between 2 colors

[blissful pecan]

Alright thanks for answering

[lavish geyser]

that is sick

[spice spire]

[oak ore]

none of them match any set

[coral ibex]

i just need that flannel

[lavish geyser]

its in ah 🙂

[coral ibex]

what is it called?

[warm vortex]

You’d do the same mister com

[lavish geyser]

gimme a sec

its like red luberjack something

[warm vortex]

Bro imagine assa with thunder fury

[coral ibex]

yea found it

thanks boss

[vapid geode]

In m+ do u shiv at the start of KB if u have master assassin fresh

[balmy condor]

you can

[lavish geyser]

😎 gotta look sharp 😉

[warm vortex]

I’d say shiv halfway still

[balmy condor]

it's not really a big difference either way

[warm vortex]

Personally

[balmy condor]

yeh

[warm vortex]

Just remember to shiv at the very least

[balmy condor]

generally shivving the end is going to be more consistent at least

[coral ibex]

its only 5k gold and not randomly like 300k or something

huge

[vapid geode]

Ok ty I been doing it half was just comparing a log and saw that

[balmy condor]

yeh that's good

do it halfway

[warm vortex]

And make sure splatter is up too
When I started I soemtimes pressed KB before splatter cause me a moron

[balmy condor]

it's just not a big deal

[waxen oyster]

sinful flame on blue one

[lavish geyser]

ffffffffive k? brotha I got it for 50 gold

[vapid geode]

Thanks

[waxen oyster]

works with dreadnaught

[warm vortex]

I need to track down the mystery man again

[oak ore]

i dont have sinful flame

i only farmed 1.8

[warm vortex]

He offered me fetanol last time I saw him

[waxen oyster]

Unlucky

[oak ore]

for wep

only season ive gone 2.1 on since bfa is df s1

[waxen oyster]

Turning most of the weapon black looks so sleek

[oak ore]

for the warlock set

[warm vortex]

Also realisation I have to farm Gb again on my hunter for trink too

[lavish geyser]

sinful flame is soo good. Sadly I didnt play when it was out

[coral ibex]

worth every copper

[blissful pecan]

ambush crit gives 4, fan of knives crit with clear the witness gives 3, and garrote always gives 1 combo points right?

[warm vortex]

Belf

[lavish geyser]

I wanna go belf soo bad tbh. nelf is just soo good rn, with meld

[waxen oyster]

s2 df enchant is pretty good too

[lavish geyser]

I hope they just make it piss

[lavish geyser]

dont rub it in haha

[coral ibex]

the spinny twist is too goated

pretty sure it adds 1% dps

[warm vortex]

But you are soo boringggggg

Playing abelf

[waxen oyster]

i took lfr smold sword out of an alts vault for mog

truly priorities behavior

[lavish geyser]

I used to play void elf, but belf is just better for mogs tbh

[waxen oyster]

Probably my favorite df weapon mog

[coral ibex]

i just like to be cute, debated going dracthyr

[waxen oyster]

besides the 1h swords from voti

[warm vortex]

Dracthry rogue sounds slick

I’m perma goblin tbh

[waxen oyster]

perma dwarf till they nerf stoneform

[warm vortex]

Did want female panda tho

[blissful pecan]

is there any details that i can take to get my dps a bit higher

[warm vortex]

That would have been good

[warm vortex]

Jam your blades deeper in

More bleeding

[blissful pecan]

noted

[warm vortex]

I still can’t believe the fucking feral dru8d earlier

I mean I didn’t have high hopes but like yikes

[oak ore]

best mog in the game is eranog dagger

[oak ore]

err

terros dagger

wrong boss

[coral ibex]

unfortunately not the worst wow chat ive seen in the last 24h

DISCLAIMER: NOT MY PARTY!!!!!

[waxen oyster]

Nah

💀

terros dagger doesn't even get a favorite

I wish this dagger matched more than just t3

[warm vortex]

I saw someone called kiddydiddler
They had a macro that played every recklessness

I literally can’t say what the macro was

I will get banned if I do

But it’s probably not difficult to guess what the macro was

That’s the worse thing I’ve seen someone say in chat

One of the only times I was genuinly uncomfy with what someone was saying in wow XD

[cobalt sphinx]

We had a guy named Beastlyloadz raid with us and every time he popped his cooldowns he’d say “im busting uhghgghghg”

[spice spire]

He’s real for that

When you pop dm do you yell “let’s get this bread”?

[cobalt sphinx]

No i say “let’s get this bread” during the pull timer

[balmy condor]

I have a /yell macro'd to my DM to tell people to get off of my target

[blissful pecan]

dw i got warrior who shouts out our precedent's name whenever he taunts

[balmy condor]

boss hits 35% HP and I call a dps stop

[coral ibex]

dude i bet he loves the JO crystal trinket this tier

[spice spire]

Ur so real for that

[silk bane]

FINAL DONE! I SHALL PASS I AM FREEEEEEEE SEND ME THE FEET @ WHISPYR @ QUAKE

[balmy condor]

I got you

[silk bane]

THAT WAS SOME GOON WORTHY CONTENT

THANK YOU SIR

🫡

[drifting cloud]

[dark current]

can rogues dispell poisons?

self-dispel

[dawn heath]

anyone else experience FOK generating 1-2 combo point sometimes in aoe

like its ridic

[silk bane]

thats the ability. it only gives u extra cp when it crits

[slate crown]

If you want reliable build -> spend -> build -> spend in aoe play sub

[slate crown]

also grats you did it

https://tenor.com/view/vibe-cat-gif-23091665

[silk bane]

thank you thank you :3 wooo

[silk bane]

If you want reliable build -> spend -> build -> spend in aoe play sub

btw fixed that for you :p

we need more sub players :3

[slate crown]

are you saying we need more subs?

[silk bane]

always!!

someones gotta fill scanas loss

[slate crown]

fwiw I've basically exclusively played sub when I'm on my rogue

nowadays

[silk bane]

i knew i liked you for a reason 🤝 shrimply too based

sub stonks

[slate crown]

Except that I'm barely playing actual content lmao

[silk bane]

thats okay same LOL. its the thought that matters

[slate crown]

Maybe I'll play more now though

Major crafting hubs have been innundated

[silk bane]

arent you already turbo gold capped

[slate crown]

and enough people have stopped playing that throughput is just collpaosed

So winding down major crafting operations I guess till next patch

I'm in a pretty comfy spot but it means that I don't feel super pulled to town when doing other content

[silk bane]

I see I see, regsardless, im glad youll be playing more!

my friends said they might wanna do some keys so maybe ill do a key after 4-5 weeks again LOL

[stray thistle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[lavish geyser]

if you had to use MA to get a stronger burst window, would you use vanish at the last 6 sec of KB or just at the start?

[coral ibex]

you can really just press it once its maxed out

it caps pretty quick

if you have a weakaura that tracks it, some people do

i just send it at 6s left

[lavish geyser]

but wont the buff last for 18 sec?

[coral ibex]

what

[lavish geyser]

MA?

[coral ibex]

oh you mean with subterfuge?

its 12s

[coral ibex]

that includes subterfuge time

check the talent without subterfuge

[lavish geyser]

aaah ok

but then why dont I wanna use it at 12 sec then?

[coral ibex]

yea you would use it at 12 then

[lavish geyser]

and do I then wanna use ambush to refresh DSM?

[dawn heath]

nice thighs

[coral ibex]

it will apply 3 marks if you have DN when you ambush

but otherwise it doesn't do anything

if you have like 1 mark left or something, nothing happens

[lavish geyser]

so its not that relevant?

[coral ibex]

it doesn't matter if you ambush or mutilate

[lavish geyser]

im doing more dmg when I do it at the last 6 sec

[coral ibex]

both apply caustic

[lavish geyser]

idk why

im doing the same rotatation, only difference is the placement of when I vanish

[dawn heath]

looks good?

[gritty laurel]

probably because there's a 10-15% variance in damage even if you play the exact same way every time

[gritty laurel]

uh my dude that's a DH

[dawn heath]

yeh

there were 2 new fits in the trading post

rogue got the other one

[lavish geyser]

10% is crazy

[dawn heath]

rogue fit

[lavish geyser]

U sure its 10%?

[lavish geyser]

Miiiiid

[dawn heath]

pyjamas goes hard

[gritty laurel]

#1291693067664887869 message

[lavish geyser]

Thoose feet man

[dawn heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/627874009152880642/1312906969043959828/image.png?ex=674f84e6&is=674e3366&hm=94af635778919163f9c90cb362718b42538a9b5b00a6ddaa91a85172e9a1e710&

what about them

[lavish geyser]

That is very high

Holyy

@dawn heath calm down brotha. 😂

[dawn heath]

:DDD

we're mog farmers now

[lavish geyser]

Just got my first big mog, i got thunderfury

[dawn heath]

i have a pretty good thunder fury set

[lavish geyser]

But dropped dh so i dont get to play with it

Unless i go outlaw…

And use 619 sword instead of 636 dagger

[balmy condor]

10% is on the lower end

fatebound is like 15%

that's on the higher end

but given that there's 5% variance on every ability baseline before you even pick a class

10% is actually kinda low

procs and trinket procs and spec procs and crits and stuff only being 5%

is pretty impressive

[dawn heath]

i feel like there is even RNG how i press my buttons

sometimes i press correct buttons sometimes i don't

[balmy condor]

true actually

[long hawk]

Is there a big difference in play style when using the double vanish build/subterfuge vs the other in m+ ?

[coral ibex]

not really

you vanish for damage earlier

and can garrote for IW for longer

and you get an extra vanish charge to use wherever

[long hawk]

What do I do differently? I’m guessing you vanish more but save one for last secs of kb.

[long hawk]

Ahh okay I figured

[coral ibex]

i use vanish more for utility with iron wire personally

[long hawk]

You don’t play iron wire with the subterfuge build no?

[coral ibex]

why wouldn't you

it lets you reapply the silence for 12s total

[long hawk]

Weird, seems like the top rogues aren’t playing it

[coral ibex]

yea bc they play in a coordinated group with a stop/interrupt rotation for every single pack

[long hawk]

I also like iron wire, in case we overlap stops and kicks

Interesting.

Imma have to sim and see if I can drop twist the knife for iron wire, I really wanna test the build out.

But I like iron wire.

[dawn heath]

tldr is. you need to play ironwire in
Stonevault
Grim Batol
Necrotic wake if no prot paladin in group.

otherwise u can just play more damage

the other key's really dont make a huge difference with ironwire

but also if you play +10's then u don't need the damage either so u may as well just use it to help out the group so 🤷

[long hawk]

Noted thanks.

[blazing summit]

In Stonevault, is it correct to only use Rupture and Fan of Knives against Crystal Shards and focus on attacking Skarmorak?

[hollow lily]

if the shards are dying then yes, its enough, if they are not then its not enough

[blazing summit]

thank you

[serene solar]

I am the biggest idiot when it comes to getting KB parried

[balmy condor]

where is your CT

[serene solar]

It is heroic

[balmy condor]

oh fair enough

[serene solar]

I figured no point in running it here

Brood prog will be tomorrow. Granted we killed princess first? Idk man

[steady prairie]

does asssassination perform better the higher the key level?
doing 10s with buddies feels like ass b/c how bursty some classes are, the pack is dead before my dots can have any value

[serene solar]

Sudden demise is low key friendly. Assa should be fine imo

[steady prairie]

so is the goal to spam garrote and rupture until everything is dotted for huge pulls, or just dot 4-6 then start ripping envens for caustic spatter?

[serene solar]

nah just like 5 or so. garrote x2 and rupture x2

[steady prairie]

so garrotes/ruptures - CT - muti - (cds if applicable: deathmark - kingsbane - shiv) - FoK/enven spam essentially

[west crown]

If you have long enough yeah that’s ideal

Usually not the case

[static glacier]

we're competitive at keys lower than 10 even, just make sure to get CT out quickly / accelerrate dm opener

if you're really having mobs blow up then you can run bleed build

[wind mural]

Been using the LE Weak Aura and loving it.

Wondering if anyone could help me increase the number of spells on the main core group from 6 to 8 for example?

[slate crown]

Custom grow has a setting for how many icons exist in each row

[uneven ibex]

What do you do when you need to hold darkest night for an intermission e.g. silken or queen? 1 global into envenom on repeat?

[cloud marsh]

Hey noob question but what is CT?

[slate crown]

change regionCap

[uneven ibex]

Crimson tempest aoe bleed

[cloud marsh]

TY

[wind mural]

Love your work thank you so much!

[slate crown]

[coral ibex]

wow the name of that emote almost gave me an aneurism

[spice spire]

Hate ur work (auction house Tuesday supplier) thanks!

[gloomy heart]

in db do yall lust on rash right away or when he lands down

[slate crown]

We'll see the party got crashed by tons of people so I'm probably moving on for now

[spice spire]

Common hater W

[blazing pumice]

you put all your money on lusting p1 phase and bugging out p2

[gloomy heart]

had a mage lust instantly on this boss in dawnbreaker and didnt know if that was supposed to be the play

[spice spire]

It has first strike

Gg

[frank niche]

sudden demise or twist the knife?

asking for a friend

[balmy condor]

Whatever you think is cooler

[frank niche]

aww

someone told me everyone runs sudden demise and I don't

currently

[coral ibex]

its better in lower keys

[balmy condor]

Twist the knife is the hipster “I’m gonna optimize for boss damage cause I’m so cool and knowledgeable and I’m such an ethical player losing out on aoe aren’t I just the best”

[coral ibex]

dude thats exactly what i think

get out of my head

[balmy condor]

But like the damage difference doesn’t matter for shit it’s basically just placebo for people to feel better about themselves

[limber lion]

I like it when Sudden Demise explodes stuff randomly here and there

[frank niche]

oh man

I feel bad now

[frozen glacier]

so is that new ring coming in the patch looking worth it for us?

[novel star]

it’s going to be good for every class or bad for every class and then buffed to be good for every class

cause it’s patch content

and they need to give people a reason to log in