main hand is a really important slot
#assassination
half igloo
!sheet
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digital gale
is this right guys? ^_^
craggy hawk
guys tell me pls, does supercharger+forced induction affect our rotation? should we finish at 2+ after shiv(cause it will be 5+ due to talents) or on 5+ always?
spice surge
Theres no real difference between playing normally and doing what you explained
craggy hawk
so its like w/e and it wouldnt be a mistake finish on 2+ r?
limber lion
No, you should be getting to 5+ CP before you finish
The reason we finish at 5cp is because it's the optimal cp to finish on without wasting combo points
Supercharge or not, doesn't change anything
craggy hawk
got it ty
worldly dock
Guys im a terrible simm guy and idk how to sim something to see if its maybe better for me to get more crit instead of haste
any1 have any ideeas?
worldly dock
yes
primal quest
is there any fix for automarker auras constantly swapping marks in shuffling midpull?\
worldly dock
/simc copy top gear etc
pliant remnant
Just use the "Item Search" in Top Gear and put in whatever you want to compare
worldly dock
it doesnt work for crafted items
i mean i use other stats
but it doesnt select gems etc
pliant remnant
You click on it in the Item Search and it adds it to your list of gear below
And then you just click on the little + there and add a socket
pliant remnant
It shows errors at the bottom of the screen
manic coral
would you play mandate on silken if u had it on heroic
worldly dock
yes
pliant remnant
You probably need to just max all the item upgrade currencies
worldly dock
i clicked on max but now it says i can sim 230+ combinations
also btw how do i sim for M+?
5 targets 5 mins?
pliant remnant
Dungeon Slice
arctic tusk
grizzled quest
!wa
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silver escarp
Hey! Uuh, so i haven't played for some times now and uuh.. I noticed the builds on WoWhead changed? We play double vanish now?
royal lantern
turns out, when talents get changed, builds tend to get changed aswell
silver escarp
I mean, yea my information is almost 2 month old , but last time double vanish was a huge drop of damage. Even after the changes
steel ridge
turns out, when talents get changed, builds tend to get changed aswell
get out with your wisdom
kindred hinge
I mean, yea my information is almost 2 month old , but last time double vanish w...
You can still sim it, but short stuff lethality got nerf, double vanish is not that impactful but can be played in some dj like NW and add a bit of QOL when playing with terrorist
royal lantern
what
no
lol
its just good now
no "can be played for qol"
its literally just a good talent now
silver escarp
You can still sim it, but short stuff lethality got nerf, double vanish is not t...
Okay no prob, i was just surprised. A friend was asking me questions but told me the build changed a bit
mint urchin
With the changes to subterfuge and MA it's just good now. Since you run subterfuge there's really no reason not to take double vanish
kindred hinge
its just good now
Last sim I did was not significant for me, but again I litterally started by sim it
it is still only one to two more use of vanish per run.
mint urchin
Yeah but it's compared to one point in lethality which is also not huge
humble verge
damn
i didnt know picking double super + FI gives that much more burst opener damage in raid
kindred hinge
The thing is, Wat / TTK / how many point in subt you put or lethality / SD / SB /SBS etc and all the variation possible are negligible in term of dps variation. You just play what you like and is the best Qol for you
grim jay
!tea
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Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
aka
assa in m+
pick the 3-4 talents that matter, the rest is w/e
kindred hinge
Even worse than that, don't fuck up your opener and cooldown window and the spec plays itself
livid sundial
folks i need pre-raid bis guide for classic, not for sod or som, i remember when classic started there was good guides for all phases for pre-raid BiS gear for each class on Wowhed. but i can not find them now, Wowhead deleted all old guides and replaced them with sod guides?? WTF please tell me how to find old guides
kindred hinge
I need sub to be back to great so I can get seizure on shurikenado
royal lantern
Even worse than that, don't fuck up your opener and cooldown window and the spec...
well, we once again circled into Legion gameplay
which happens all the time
some specs have burst->people complain that they dont burst as much->slowly they turn every single spec in the game into a CD burst sspec->people complain that they do only dmg during cds-> they revert it all again
repeat
kindred hinge
I liked outlaw during SL, No CD just you and your prio smooth damage all along
With the thrill of death every now and then with KS
and the mouseover action of SBS and MFD
humble verge
I need sub to be back to great so I can get seizure on shurikenado
it is great tho wdym
just raid
4head
kindred hinge
Mythic raiding days are long past
royal lantern
I need sub to be back to great so I can get seizure on shurikenado
sub literally is good in m+ rn
and arguralby better then assa in some situations
mild tiger
so why is nobody playing sub then
slow echo
Cause we're doms
mild tiger
kindred hinge
I asked for great not good. And except for the last two boss of NW I would not play sub over sin in that patch
royal lantern
so why is nobody playing sub then
you expect wow players to look up how good something i and adjust?
this is a game where people will tell you something is weak based on what a shity wowhead tierlist says, and never adapt to changes
vast shuttle
iam fresh lvl 80 any tips for ez gear i can get at the start?
humble verge
this is a game where people will tell you something is weak based on what a shit...
wowhead tierlist?
nah i use icyveins
kindred hinge
You still have a 300 rio diff between best sins and best subs.
If you want to do 10s you can play w/e with no issue.
If you want to push you need to be comparitevely better at sub over sin to be worth it.
But yeah you can play anything if you want in wow and say fuck to the meta, it is just time invested or having friends
winged quail
iam fresh lvl 80 any tips for ez gear i can get at the start?
T8 delves
kindred hinge
iam fresh lvl 80 any tips for ez gear i can get at the start?
Win one epic battleground, it give you component to craft 3 610.
Use your key in bounty delve T8
Abuse the catch up gear of the event etc
lethal heart
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royal lantern
t8 delves at fresh 80 is tough
jusst takes long
healer brann still makes you not dying
tawdry mica
yeah and having stealth helps a lot actually
royal lantern
You still have a 300 rio diff between best sins and best subs.
If you want to d...
i mean, if you want to play the absolute giga besst, you cant complain
cus that means swapping specs/classes 3x every patch anyway
or just go aug 
copper shore
if you go over 10s is it wise to keep iron wire (depending on specific grps that is) or go without
lethal heart
!tea
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Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
and depending on dungeon
royal lantern
if you go over 10s is it wise to keep iron wire (depending on specific grps that...
the amount of players that should do that can be counted on both of your hands
kindred hinge
if you go over 10s is it wise to keep iron wire (depending on specific grps that...
If you pug you don't take it out outside of mist
royal lantern
in 99,9999% of situations its way to good in every single way
to even think about dropping it
vague dagger
on queen mythic, what are safe targets thats available on shadowstep on platforms?
seems not to be 100% it feels like
novel star
on queen mythic, what are safe targets thats available on shadowstep on platform...
the beam guy is always safe
step works on anything tho
but if you step to not the beam guy you can get sniped by him
soft shale
if you have a dk or warr usually it is safe to step on them
if they mess up and get yeeted i think assa also runs 2 steps so you can just do it again
unless you get killed
spice surge
the beam guy is always safe
If you move immediately afterwards ye, the beams hitbox is slightly bigger and can hit you when youve stepped
with certain angles
novel star
i see
i always just backpedalled a tiny bit after stepping but i assumed it was me being overly safe
ig it actually does something
good 2 know
royal lantern
if they mess up and get yeeted i think assa also runs 2 steps so you can just do...
i mean, its impossible to not have 2 steps
coral ibex
rate the festive season drip
worldly bridge
Hey what is the interaction with COS and web on Silken MM ? can i cos the dot and still do the web mecanic?
novel star
rate the festive season drip
fire
worldly bridge
Red team doing webs btw
Im red 😦
brave comet
is there a way to make these healthbars stack closer together
warm vortex
I died on a court pull and was dead for like 20 sec and still got a 94 i stg i would have gotten a 99 if i was alive the whole time
brave comet
must be LFR
warm vortex
Heroic
brave comet
thats impressive actually
gloomy heart
I died on a court pull and was dead for like 20 sec and still got a 94 i stg i w...
how much dps
shy creek
94 on court is like 1.85m
brave comet
curious, how do i remove tracking garrote/rupture that comes from other rogues on plater?
gloomy heart
94 on court is like 1.85m
I feel like thats not hard
sonic schooner
dumbie question now. Wanna try some fatebound assa, is coldblood just pressed on CD or still rules arround number of flipped coins?
gloomy heart
@balmy condor ^
balmy condor
Macro to kingsbane
sonic schooner
balmy condor
Little place in Mountain View they’re fake flowers
gloomy heart
oh..
balmy condor
Yeah cherry blossoms don’t bloom indoors in December in California I’m afraid
gloomy heart
one day
cerulean walrus
Whispyr how much of your brain’s storage space was taken up by bowling alley animations?
Genuinely curious
balmy condor
Not much because our animations don’t work 90% of the time and they’re off for any league play
I have memories of animations from like a decade ago when they worked a little more consistently
But nothing crazy
cerulean walrus
balmy condor
The ones I remember are like
A dude dressed as a pin Indiana Jones running from a ball
And then ducking into a little side slot and watching the ball roll by
And it goes “OPEN”
shy creek
I feel like thats not hard
if it was giga easy it wouldnt be top 5%
gloomy heart
if it was giga easy it wouldnt be top 5%
1.8 isnt alot though no?
cerulean walrus
balmy condor
And then there’s like a space station one in the shape of the pins, like the triangle
And if you strike the missles hit and it explodes
And if you open, the missiles hit a force field
cerulean walrus
Lmao
quiet oar
Deathstalkers Mark is such a shit ability
warm vortex
Every single raid night at this point at least like 3 people have internet issue
Or moreso issues with Wow connection
Thier internet is fine, connecting to wow isnt
quiet oar
Lmao
Jsut hate that you need to pay attention
to not spend it
before Intermissions and stuff
cerulean walrus
Yeah I’ve been burned more than once by that
Or get too greedy and think I can go through another cycle
cerulean walrus
how do i make it stop tracking garrote from other players?
Just don’t have another rogue in the raid 
Or group
oak ore
how do i make it stop tracking garrote from other players?
i’m not sure what the screenshot is
are those garrotes from other players
is that not just your aoe garrote,,
oak ore
either case manual aura tracking tends to be the way to go
gloomy heart
HOLY
quiet oar
Yeah I’ve been burned more than once by that
I just used two times Rupture at 7
because i didnt want to spend it
🙂
gloomy heart
brave comet
i’m not sure what the screenshot is
thats not my garrote, that is a garrote cast by another player on the cleaving target dummies
oak ore
dsm should be its own global
quiet oar
Its so bad
oak ore
are you manually tracking garrote as well?
cerulean walrus
During the shield phase yeah
brave comet
are you manually tracking garrote as well?
i'm on auto tracking
oak ore
hmmm
gloomy heart
W trading post
cerulean walrus
I try to judge based on shield remaining and then some fucker pops mandate and it crust
My brain
Is fucked
Crits
gloomy heart
HEHE HAHA
west peak
managing this fucking mark on mythic court is giving me more despair than ive felt playing any class on any boss
blissful pecan
true that
i just try to focus on getting darkest night ready before charge + and have rupture before he leaves for charge
quiet oar
i still hate court
Based
quiet oar
managing this fucking mark on mythic court is giving me more despair than ive fe...
Its not better on Queen
west peak
Its not better on Queen
less moments where u can fuck it up but way more punishing when u do, basically, right?
west peak
oh i meant the mark specifically
quiet oar
less moments where u can fuck it up but way more punishing when u do, basically,...
Its jsut weird their
You true to dodge and survive
and want to do dmg
and you have to decide
do i use DN now or not
clever sapphire
new fit goes hard
i swear blizzard listened to me crying why i had to buy the murloc mog
all my chars gonna be in the murloc mog
wraith marsh
Alright, I think I suck at this class. Idk what I'm doing wrong at this point
My raid damage is atrocious. Would someone be able to hlelp me out?
quiet oar
My raid damage is atrocious. Would someone be able to hlelp me out?
@spice spire
keen spruce
My raid damage is atrocious. Would someone be able to hlelp me out?
Someone can if you link a log
dawn heath
west peak
play fatebound
how bad is it actually btw? i know it's generally not the end of the world, but you lose burst right?
so on a fight like silken its even worse than it would be otherwise?
worldly dock
Guys in Aoe 5+ adds we use Crim Tempest or Envenom?
wraith marsh
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YV9fGbpMxXH2WRmA#fight=4 -- This is a M ulgrax fight
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YV9fGbpMxXH2WRmA#fight=last -- This is a M sikran fight. There's a death in here, but even without it, it was trending towards a grey parse anyways.
west peak
Guys in Aoe 5+ adds we use Crim Tempest or Envenom?
you only use crimson tempest to apply the dot, use it once and then go back to envenom
coral ibex
CT in 2+ targets
late kestrel
when i use deathmark i should be using garrote at 8 sec remaining?
worldly dock
After Deathmark its okay to use shiv/tea + KB?
late kestrel
yea it amps it
spice spire
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blissful pecan
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YV9fGbpMxXH2WRmA#fight=4 -- This is a M ulg...
I believe it is best to fix ambush - garrote - fan of knives - rupture - mutilate mutilate envenom for single target bosses
almost every top logs fixes their openers
sonic schooner
for a first time fatebound on rashanan pretty happy with that, it s kinda satisfying to get a lucky coin 
manic quartz
managing this fucking mark on mythic court is giving me more despair than ive fe...
yep
novel star
how bad is it actually btw? i know it's generally not the end of the world, but ...
Opposite. Fatebound has significantly more burst in cds, slightly less sustained damage, but slightly more overall damage
blissful pecan
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YV9fGbpMxXH2WRmA#fight=4 -- This is a M ulg...
i feel like fixing the rotation until first kb at least helps a lot, like only making slight adjustment based on crits/ambush procs
novel star
on a single target fight
spice spire
that's not even the biggest issue
we havea wrong build issue primarily
they're running double vv - sb
snow kindle
managing this fucking mark on mythic court is giving me more despair than ive fe...
which boss u starting on
spice spire
the old build
blissful pecan
oh
west peak
Opposite. Fatebound has significantly more burst in cds, slightly less sustained...
oh fuck it then, maybe ill give it a try next raid
novel star
its really not super noticeable either way and you can low roll coins which feels really aids
spice spire
its really not super noticeable either way and you can low roll coins which feel...
counterpoint
novel star
but both are perfectly viable
spice spire
I hate fatebound
novel star
fatebound struggles a lot in aoe compared to deathstalker
but patchwerk its better on average
just a higher dmg variance
cus theres highroll/lowroll pulls that dont exist as much on ds
west peak
which boss u starting on
scarab guy/red team. currently im popping the first mark before running over, then popping the second mark, then just spreading rupture to adds > renewing rupture on bosses > unloading in the dmg amp
west peak
p2 feels easier since u can just target tall guy most of the time tho
waxen oyster
no corrupt the blood
spice spire
No singular focus
singular focus this one papi 
manic quartz
i kinda like court fight, it has some nice sync on it
waxen oyster
real
west peak
but fucking up mark going into intermission and just losing it until i can vanish again just makes me wanna alt f4
coral ibex
novel star
i just play ds even on st fights because fatebound is kinda boring and not getting luckycoin in opener tilts me
snow kindle
scarab guy/red team. currently im popping the first mark before running over, th...
just remember you dont have to go full CP even if you have DS available
worldly oar
should i let improved garrote finish before applying a normal garrote?
novel star
but i would honestly probably play fb on like queen or something where the mark is cancer lol
waxen oyster
Court is a dumb boss
waxen oyster
staring at a raidplan pov
coral ibex
the mythic orb mechanic is super lazy
easy mech made impossible by the average wow raider
novel star
well yea it doesnt look like impossibly hard it just doesnt look very inspired
i dont like the design
blissful pecan
am i the only one who actually think court is fun
manic quartz
am i the only one who actually think court is fun
i like it
blissful pecan
i feel like it has 20 little phases and progressing thru 1 by 1 is kinda satisfying haha
waxen oyster
I dont like positioning micromanagement
manic quartz
its the most fun when you call wipe and you get to shadwostep opposite color and be the bomb
blissful pecan
its the most fun when you call wipe and you get to shadwostep opposite color an...
EXACTLY
on the one you hate especially haha
blissful pecan
seriously i believe we can progress this boss if no one leaves the raid week per week
but every week theres at least 1 new player getting replaced
waxen oyster
at least im not the web baiter
blissful pecan
and we have to wait for that guy to get used to it
manic quartz
at 25% atm, surely going down tuesday 
waxen oyster
Idk how to best optimize damage
for first web
save darkest night then unload cds?
novel star
am i the only one who actually think court is fun
i mean i havent played it so maybe id feel different if i had but from watching i dont like it 
my guild died the day we were supposed to kill kyveza so
waxen oyster
I played my dh on a 4/8 run and somehow got a 70 parse when its 620 ilvl
💀
Just how shit are people
at this class
pretty sure i only got into that run for brand
spice spire
pretty sure i only got into that run for brand
yeah cuz havoc kinda dog this tier ngl.
A good havoc is uh. Hard to find
warm vortex
A good DH is hard to find tbh
novel star
yeah cuz havoc kinda dog this tier ngl.
A good havoc is uh. Hard to find
im okay at havoc i swear...
believe me mr quake..
warm vortex
Mister com
spice spire
Howdy
warm vortex
Also i stg we havent had
spice spire
You can just call me quake
warm vortex
a SINGLE raid night in a month
where someone hasnt had connection issues
it sucks :(
Makes progging impossible
dawn heath
yeah cuz havoc kinda dog this tier ngl.
A good havoc is uh. Hard to find
i am good at havoc
spice spire
I haven’t had a single raid night this month 🙂
warm vortex
like 2 weeks ago we had 1 hour taken off
dawn heath
one trick havoc
warm vortex
Last week we had on tank who couldent log in
dawn heath
i try to play rogue but i suck at it
warm vortex
now we have a tank dcing mid raid
dawn heath
spice spire
i try to play rogue but i suck at it
Aren’t you in like 16s currently 
dawn heath
havoc gameplay
dawn heath
Aren’t you in like 16s currently <:mochierm:1291124203772448889>
yes
but i still suck
rose creek
yo
dawn heath
they've never been this bad
rose creek
quick question
rose creek
anyone know how to make it call out when i use tricks on someone
novel star
🥺
novel star
havoc is pretty fucking shit rn
waxen oyster
yeah cuz havoc kinda dog this tier ngl.
A good havoc is uh. Hard to find
There’s alot on logs surprising
novel star
but it feels fun i think...
dawn heath
novel star
toxic man
waxen oyster
well alot of recorddd logs
novel star
send rogue logs aljan 
dawn heath
hc or mythic
warm vortex
Heroic i assum
novel star
both
novel star
spice spire
You guys gonna whip out cocks or
novel star
if i dont 99 court next week im gonna kiss someone
spice spire
if i dont 99 court next week im gonna kiss someone
Sup
dawn heath
novel star
novel star
also my havoc is in a disaster guild kinda
blissful pecan
check my logs out
dawn heath
assa rogue is one of the easiest specs i have ever played in raid
novel star
dawn heath
its crazy how its so stupidly easy in raid but in m+ its fairly difficult
novel star
assa rogue is one of the easiest specs i have ever played in raid
Ye it literally is an autoscroller
spec
u just watch
split drift
guys has anyone else experienced that the master machinists boss in stonevault randomly turns around and kills you with the igneous hammer (the tank smash afaik) without pulling aggro? if happaned twice now, when i cast my second deathmark he turns around, tank smashes me dead?
novel star
have to understand the combo points and shit i guess but thats easy and then its just 
warm vortex
its crazy how its so stupidly easy in raid but in m+ its fairly difficult
I still feel like i fuck it up in raid tbh
dawn heath
u can play assa lazily and not mouseover rupture spread and just let it smart cast
then its fairly easy
but if u wanna play it optimally
trim monolith
warm vortex
waxen oyster
Can people not steal my silken tomb pad
dawn heath
where rashanan kill
warm vortex
where rashanan kill
Guild can't prog it becase we have had like 10 pulls of it
Because as i said people are having connection issues every single week
Idk why
Like their internet is fine mostly
But connecting to wow just doesnt work
dawn heath
Can people not steal my silken tomb pad
dont think i padded much here
with these classes not much root damage left
waxen oyster
Yeah
warm vortex
Tbh
I feel like i did bad
Look at log, i did good
Feel like i did good, look at log, did bad
waxen oyster
You get 1 maybe 2 gcds on tombs in hc
warm vortex
I should stop looking at logs haha
waxen oyster
in a non sale run
warrior presses odyn into bladestorm lmao cya
even more if he procs reap during the bs
dawn heath
u can probably 99 by just doing ST
blissful pecan
how do we log on ulgrax and rashanan? feel like threre isnt much adds to cleave on
dawn heath
although hard
blissful pecan
warrior presses odyn into bladestorm lmao cya
press tricks on trades on them and kill him
take adds
waxen oyster
for 2nd pot with cds
blissful pecan
= profit
waxen oyster
You can spatter rash spiders it just
requires them to be right under boss
or you can just play IB and not get web should get an orange
blissful pecan
rly struggling to do more then this on cleave bosses
idk how ppl are doing 3M on ovinax tho haha
coral ibex
padding
blissful pecan
whats padding
blissful pecan
thats cringe
coral ibex
clever sapphire
man i cant for the life of me get a good sikran log, every time we go there i get mechanics during opener and we kill it at like 4:15 
oak eagle
getting the first charge of the second set of charges is also terrible
its right as you pop cds
and i hate it
and when my guild does reclear, i forget to hold until after the charge
so that i can get full uptime
waxen oyster
Yeah i mean first charge is right around the 2nd half of kb
novel star
Yeah i mean first charge is right around the 2nd half of kb
Just get the first position from boss
and stand for uptime
big dog your raid
fuck em
adapt.
rich parrot
my sim tells me that on my second two-minute cd i use my vanish directly after my kingsbane so deathmark-shiv-kb-vanish-garrot i have to do this or not because when i look at the top parse guys in boss mono none do it
warm vortex
Inst there a thing that says
you shoulden't use the sim as a rota guide
or something
snow kindle
read the top sentence my man
novel star
you shoulden't use the sim as a rota guide
there is
rich parrot
I just want to know why the sim is telling me to do this and for what purpose
all good
novel star
it literally doesnt go away even if you scroll down
snow kindle
ye it tells you why it says its doing that
novel star
there is an unavoidable huge box
snow kindle
in the top sentence
novel star
I just want to know why the sim is telling me to do this and for what purpose
the sims not "telling you" to do anything
rich parrot
the sims not "telling you" to do anything
stop type
desert crest
DId the build that u simmed have subterfuge @rich parrot
rich parrot
nop
austere wren
Hello guys, quick question: Depths or Radiant Power?
snow kindle
radiant
novel star
narrow slate
Radiant over depths? Really?
narrow slate
Aaaah
snow kindle
raidnat usually wins out ST too anyway at certain gear points
narrow slate
Oh interesting. I'll change my enchants.
narrow slate
I just got back into rogue so struggling to understand it again.
novel star
dont overthink consumables tbh
theyre all kinda shit right now
your damage isnt going to go from tragic to insane because you swapped your enchant for 0.3% damage
clean up your rotation and your movement
narrow slate
It's the rotation that is killing me. I understand the Kingsbane window is the most important. It's just getting muscle memory back down and fully understanding when and why I push buttons.
narrow slate
Understood will smack the dummy
novel star
gl legend
waxen oyster
my peabrain trying to understand enhance:
hard wolf
Im a bit confused on "Dragon-Tempered Blades". Do you keep up 4 poisons for m+? or is this actually not that great?
snow kindle
yes
novel star
Im a bit confused on "Dragon-Tempered Blades". Do you keep up 4 poisons for m+? ...
yeah
dtb is very good
novel star
yes keep it up
hard wolf
thanks 🙂
hard wolf
Alright, thanks!
waxen oyster
Amp is pretty big with how much of your damage is envenoms in st
hard wolf
This also, why cast fan of knives as first of generators in ST?
novel star
ignore subtlety tooltip instead of sin but same deathstalker talent
makes fok slightly more damage than mut
its like a 0.3% dps gain if u do it every time
rich parrot
i'm thinking about why i shouldn't put my vanish on my second cd instant after my kingsbane what do i lose concretely? juste wanna know
snow kindle
we told u why
we vanish the last 8s because of master assassin and how kingsbane works
pure moth
raidnat usually wins out ST too anyway at certain gear points
oh weird. Ive never had it sim better
waxen oyster
oh weird. Ive never had it sim better
Whats your gear like
pure moth
Whats your gear like
635
pure moth
I'll sim again when I get home. Haven't simmed anything in a week or so. Nothing new gained to sim
But ill sim the enchants
pure moth
You would think
royal lantern
oh weird. Ive never had it sim better
i had some GIGA cursed sim
where it said 1x depths 1x radiant power
static glacier
Is fatebound any easier than death stalker?
yes it is easier
no darkest night gameplay / no clear the witness to spend
no way of losing your mark
gilded wolf
Looking for a chill way to start sin, thinking fatebound could be a way to do that as long as I don’t have to min/max sweat the coin flips
slate crown
gilded wolf
Fatebound Subterfuge with Indescriminate and Master Assassin seems like it could be pretty fun
waxen oyster
Fatebound Subterfuge with Indescriminate and Master Assassin seems like it could...
keys are where deathstalker gap is larger
gilded wolf
keys are where deathstalker gap is larger
Yes, may end up switching to deathstalker after I play Fatebound a bit if I feel like I’m holding people back with fate
Hoping that my name being yellow will get me invited to more pug keys than my warrior
gilded wolf
Rogue is more meta than warrior, maybe that could skew things a bit
static glacier
you macro coldblood with Kingsbane
was this proven better than cb on cd?
waxen oyster
Most tanks dont play with rogues and it shows with how they pull
waxen oyster
Rogue is more meta than warrior, maybe that could skew things a bit
dps warrior you mean
because prot is literally fine
gilded wolf
dps warrior you mean
Yea
static glacier
Most tanks dont play with rogues and it shows with how they pull
highkey, we're a cringe class to play with
I feel it every time im on an alt and have to give no shits about tank pulls
gilded wolf
I’m a liability as a tank for sure
static glacier
enh / aug
static glacier
we're a pretty notable downgrade to enh
waxen oyster
or mage because it's blizz's golden goose
gilded wolf
I’m goblin for life because of the rocket jump
static glacier
based
gilded wolf
It’s just so QoL
waxen oyster
was only noticeable for me on priest
static glacier
I really should just go dwarf for stoneform but I HATE how they look so much
gilded wolf
Goblin? I love hopping over shit it’s almost like parkour
gilded wolf
I really should just go dwarf for stoneform but I HATE how they look so much
Get the gnoll wands from the event, hogger form looks good
static glacier
Get the gnoll wands from the event, hogger form looks good
even seeing it on the login screen would make me hate it
stoneform is so insane though
imagine not having to rely on dispels / use cloak for it
waxen oyster
looksmaxx your dwarf
i say this as i perma use toys
gleeful glamour/recalibrator/haunted locket/eredar crystal
slow marsh
Dwarf rogue looks elite tho
spice spire
Cursed
slow marsh
I'm female orc I can't really say much
I've also decided I'm a classic Andy until next patch so
pure moth
i had some GIGA cursed sim
i'm naturally cursed. Just ask @spice spire
pure moth
usually radiant wins out in higher gear
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4p9fwLZ8ojm9Aj8T7GNAs2 it indeed sims higher now. i didnt change any gear over the week so not sure why all of a sudden it sims higher
orchid tree
Why is raidbots telling me to use my shiv before kb?
balmy condor
Raidbots just a Chill guy
ebon notch
Raidbots just a Chill guy
sullen hearth
fading vigil
what build yall running on rashanan
gilded wolf
Why is raidbots telling me to use my shiv before kb?
Think you use it before KB and then again before it ends, right?
gloomy heart
what build yall running on rashanan
think same one with caustic
coral ibex
what build yall running on rashanan
single target raid spec
ads die too fast and don't get dropped in caustic range
fading vigil
okay thank you dadie
next compass
Guys, when should i stop using normal garrote in aoe/cleave?
orchid tree
Think you use it before KB and then again before it ends, right?
I'm simming with M+ build so I only have one KB
blazing pumice
Guys, when should i stop using normal garrote in aoe/cleave?
you don't use normal garrote in aoe
novel star
Guys, when should i stop using normal garrote in aoe/cleave?
before you start
only ever press it if you need extra energy but that should be never with ur 5/6 ruptures out
long hawk
Can someone confirm if my math is mathing rn, trying to convince a guildie to use elusiveness instead of cheat in higher keys. So it gives 20% dr with feint and evasion, feint gives a 40% dr, then bait and switch gives 20% magic dr on evasion. So outside of cloak, in none aoe, if you evasion feint you’re essentially getting 60% magic dmg dr and 80% magic dmg dr if it’s aoe yes?
balmy condor
they multiply, not add
long hawk
So it’s even more? Oh wow.
balmy condor
less
long hawk
Oh nvm, the percentages multiply I see.
balmy condor
but otherwise the math adds up
just overestimating a little cause you just added the percentages
long hawk
When it comes down to it there’s a lot more value in running elusiveness than cheat as you go up in keys then?
balmy condor
elusiveness is the only option
balmy condor
like you would be an idiot to run cheat in high keys
waxen oyster
and pick your nose and be more tanky
long hawk
Thank you, screenshotting this.
waxen oyster
than all that effort
long hawk
like you would be an idiot to run cheat in high keys
Especially this.
waxen oyster
ngl I don't get how enh lives higher keys
shamans historically aren't terribly tanky of a class
long hawk
lol true, my sham just dies to farts in keys.
fiery current
ngl I don't get how enh lives higher keys
do augs make that big of a difference in tankiness? i havent played with one yet, though im only doing 10's
winged widget
shamans historically aren't terribly tanky of a class
didnt they get some good passive DR with the rework?
rotund oak
Can someone confirm if my math is mathing rn, trying to convince a guildie to us...
multiplicative not additive but what Whispyr said,elusiveness better^^
waxen oyster
didnt they get some good passive DR with the rework?
6% magic dr on class tree i think
winged widget
iirc Tempest also makes their shield give them 3% DR
west crown
they have a perma 8% dr, between wolves and shield
waxen oyster
earth shield?
kindred crescent
hey not sure whats going on but master assasin isnt activating for me, or at least I dont see it on my stats
balmy condor
hey not sure whats going on but master assasin isnt activating for me, or at lea...
yes, it's not character crit
character crit would apply to trinkets and necrotic wake weapons and all that nonsense
they specifically made master assassin not do that
kindred crescent
yes, it's not character crit
ah thank you I was confused that makes sense.
royal lantern
was this proven better than cb on cd?
that basically IS cb on cd
cus the CB cd only starts when the effect is used up
so the 45sec are more like 53sec or smth like that
balmy condor
CB on cooldown is ultra super giga troll
It’s like -4.5% or something
Like if you’re gonna slam CB on cooldown you’re better off going supercharger and destiny defined and just pretending you’re playing a dogshit tuned version of deathstalker
oak ore
does anyone have an approximate value of the sudden demise talent point vs ttk? have not played rogue in a while and noticed speed is not playing sudden demise
in m+
blazing pumice
it's different types of damage
they sim about the same for me on dslice but the sims don't include the damage that sudden demise does
subtle tundra
Like if you’re gonna slam CB on cooldown you’re better off going supercharger an...
but without mark, cause mark hate would be the only reason to play fb
oak ore
it's different types of damage
ya
blazing pumice
it only counts the bleeds
subtle tundra
idk why youd play sanguine bladdes
and not sudden demise
?!?!?
every sim is saying sudden demise is just as good if not better, without adding the execute part
oak ore
the execute is bait anyway
blazing pumice
you sure about sd being equal to sb?
oak ore
is sanguine blades a talent
subtle tundra
the execute is bait anyway
?
oak ore
?
oak ore
it's not real damage
it adds to your total on details but it is not real
its value is in the energy refund when stuff dies early
subtle tundra
?????????????????????
blazing pumice
that's not sb
subtle tundra
oh yea cause doing 500k dmg to them is you executing them
royal lantern
you sure about sd being equal to sb?
SD is "you do more bleed dmg and get a small execute that helps with wasted dot dmg"
SB is "you do more bleed dmg under specific circumstances that can be bad during ST"
oak ore
it's worthless
it is functionally worthless for the timer
especially in a funnel meta
which is every season
because lieutenants scale to have 9 billion hp
quartz cloak
🍿
subtle tundra
then why do you play sanguine blades, you deal aoe with it
so it kills smallies faster
oak ore
i am not playing sanguine blades
royal lantern
which is every season
m+ players rewriting the history of the mode every single tier
oak ore
nobody is playing sanguine blades
subtle tundra
?!?!?!?
someone literally said speed is playing sb
thats why i started talking about this shit
oak ore
i said speed is not playing sudden demise
i asked about the approximate or perceived value of sudden demise vs ttk
oak ore
m+ players rewriting the history of the mode every single tier
we can just pretend shadow priest was not the dominant spec for a year and a half
earnest remnant
blazing pumice
sb seems kind of massive for aoe
subtle tundra
like stonevault and nw
blazing pumice
i assumed it was ahead of sd
oak ore
he is playing sb now
i understand why you would play that talent
dawnbreaker he plays sb and ttk
no sd
oak ore
i think in his comp sd is just not valuable
blazing pumice
oak ore
enh aug sin
blazing pumice
dropping sb is kind of bad on my profile
subtle tundra
enh aug sin
what does comp have to do with it
oak ore
because the damage patterns of your comp matters
oak ore
if you can have a class that does infinite aoe damage you do not need an extra aoe damage talent if you can pick up st
also the sd execute sucks because very few classes gain more than negligible value from mobs dying
you for sure only pick that talent for the 10% bleed damage balancing
subtle tundra
the execute is really good
idk what youre spouting man
subtle tundra
reducing redundant globals
on adds that have to die
is really good
arakara first boss
oak ore
insane hypothetical that i have no idea how to respond to
subtle tundra
vanish to kill those adds 3 times
idk buddy\
im telling from experience
whats your point
oak ore
your experience does not equal a meaningful knowledge of pacing
i would appreciate it if you were less inflammatory when you were incorrect
either way, i still do not know the value of the ttk talent point
subtle tundra
how am i incorrect when i explain why the execute part is good 😭
yea when youre doing a 12 and the mobs have 0 hp
and are not harmful
oak ore
harmful is relative
aug+prot pal is invincible
and
again
the lieutenants are more often than not the lethal mobs
subtle tundra
and assa literally dies
oak ore
sd does nothing to lieutenants
oak ore
tempered does not kill you
subtle tundra
it fucking does
oak ore
most damage in m+ is avoidable
subtle tundra
yea
go do a 17 or 18
see how much you can play around
there is always random dmg
no matter what you do
how you play
royal lantern
tempered does not kill you
shout out to that 1 prot paladin that transfered 4million dmg in 1,5 seconds to me
earnest remnant
just 4 fun
oak ore
tempered did not kill you tho
subtle tundra
tempered did
oak ore
that talent is very silly
royal lantern
tempered did not kill you tho
well, the unavoidable group dmg after that killed me
earnest remnant
also imma just say this
subtle tundra
for the group
royal lantern
keep the discussion friendly or imma beat yo ass's
spank me
subtle tundra
cause most of the times theres adds you can get energry from on bosses, important things
so ttk actually gets stacked
compared to pure st with m+ talents
oak ore
okay but that is not true in stonevault
ok we don't play ttk in stonevault
i understand
subtle tundra
i go as much aoe as possible in there
blazing pumice
idk i run it whenever there is some big ass priority mob like necrotic wake or gb
subtle tundra
for first boss
subtle tundra
and yes talent point are negligible
but lets say mists
first boss is your wall
you want to be able to push tree
and 2 phase the boss
its very tight
subtle tundra
youre spamming mut so youre never above 50% energy so sanguine blades is useless
subtle tundra
14 second phase ?
doing the boss dmg isnt the problem
oak ore
no
subtle tundra
its killing the tree in time
oak ore
i'm just asking about sub
he plays sub in necrotic wake
mayb 4fun
but damage patterns
subtle tundra
its for last boss
royal lantern
he plays sub in necrotic wake
assa is the probs worst spec in the game for NW endboss
oak ore
what does the last boss do that you favor sub on
ah
true.
i figured this
at least it dies to sectec
subtle tundra
you need to kill the shields if you fuck up the throw cleaver
and assa just cant
sub holds shadow dance
and does
subtle tundra
its all the priest
runic hinge
sub can do it really good
Really well*
runic hinge
Imagine not knowing how English works when I have a bird in my house who can speak it
Lmfao
Gottem
royal lantern
Imagine not knowing how English works when I have a bird in my house who can spe...
stell dir vor kein deutsch zu können in nem server wo die hälfte deutsch ist 
earnest remnant
stell dir vor kein deutsch zu können in nem server wo die hälfte deutsch ist <:k...
Huí jiā
quiet oar
stell dir vor kein deutsch zu können in nem server wo die hälfte deutsch ist <:k...
TRUE
runic hinge
stell dir vor kein deutsch zu können in nem server wo die hälfte deutsch ist <:k...
I reported you for not speaking English in this server when it’s an English speaking server. Enjoy your ban bozo
royal lantern
runic hinge
Tbh I think I’m so funny
quiet oar
Get fucked Tryan
steel ridge
stell dir vor kein deutsch zu können in nem server wo die hälfte deutsch ist <:k...
kekw
ist es schon wieder zeit für anschluss?
inb4 whispyr rolls around and invades poland again.
sharp viper
inb4 whispyr rolls around and invades poland again.
not AGAIN
wispr kurwa ja pierdole
lime crest
new to rogue how do you deal with tanks chain pulling everything? beg them at the start of the dungeon not to?
steel ridge
new to rogue how do you deal with tanks chain pulling everything? beg them at th...
use vanish
you got 2 charges, use em wise
lime crest
well yes but its not always up
steel ridge
chainpulling is good for you if the tank doesnt chainpull at 1% hp
sharp viper
you got 2 charges, use em wise
what
lime crest
just a deal with it thing then gotcha
steel ridge
think of it like this
"yeah baby i am gonna carry my 5 stacks of scent into that new pack and everything already suffers from my caustic cleave, oh yeah more targets!!!!!"
and if you have a vanish ready, its good, if not you will still pump
cobalt sphinx
yeah i only really ask for restealth if iron wire is gonna make a difference in the pull
your damage will be fine either way
steel ridge
good tanks will know when to chain and when not to
iron wire is stupid good to gather casters...
but most will just invite assa rogues because they pump ungodly amounts of damage in mdi without regard for what we actually can bring to the table
and then again, nothing matters in your weekly mists 10
silver hemlock
Whats the fastest way to buid up Kings Bane? I reach 1M maximum
steel ridge
most of the stacks will come from auto attacks and mutilate, but what do you mean 1m maximum?
blazing pumice
keep envenom buff up
steel ridge
^
silver hemlock
I Got the WA showing Kings bane dmg
And I always get to 1m which is lower than the optimal build up
steel ridge
without a log nobody can actually tell you whats wrong
we dont know your gear, your key presses, no nothing
1M is like the initial hit at 639
🙈
silver hemlock
Do i Envenom before Kings bane build up
cobalt sphinx
Lol that sequence
I like that
I wonder if people are counting their mutilate like that
balmy condor
I’d hope not but I have no good way to make a timeline otherwise
I love seal fate until I’m required to make an opener timeline and then I’m the biggest hater
sharp viper
subtle tundra
I love seal fate until I’m required to make an opener timeline and then I’m the ...
write misinformation
make them mutilate at 7cp
😋
marble hemlock
I love seal fate until I’m required to make an opener timeline and then I’m the ...
i love sealfate until darkest night is up and i hit 2-4-6 CP with 3 subsequent mutilates
i should be allowed to just hit envenom anyway
subtle tundra
the problems are either darkest night or 2 max cp talents
sharp viper
just crit bro
subtle tundra
not seal fate
marble hemlock
just crit bro
gonna crit your nose
kindred hinge
new to rogue how do you deal with tanks chain pulling everything? beg them at th...
A tank should chain intelligently, it's not an issue because you will have infinite energy from the previous pack ruptures, enough to spread 5 more.
But playing with terrorist tank is rough
pearl steppe
I think the combo points being a bit wonky on the fly makes playing the class less boring
if it was 8 combo points for everything and you only got points in multiples of 2 things would be smoother but also more boring and same-y
placid egret
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grim jay
if it was 8 combo points for everything and you only got points in multiples of ...
I am pretty sure it wouldnt change anything in that regard
desert crest
ohh shi yeah you are probably right
just had random pvp talants selected
never looked at them
snow quest
3 mob pulls, chain at 20% is best surely
snow hamlet
ye injured by fall is a harmful physical effect lul
sharp viper
I miss old veil of midnight