assassination

[blissful pecan]

but everyone have to memorize every single details

thats the hard part i guess

hope queens gonna be a bit easier since she is getting nerfed again...

[winged widget]

Court is just unfun

[coral ibex]

i like court, i don't like how stupid people can be on a fight that is literally just walking in a circle 17 times

[winged widget]

that is exactly what makes it unfun

D:

[coral ibex]

its so silly

[gloomy heart]

jesus

[humble verge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wSRrJJ668QesxsRig1YxpP

thinking about making boots

hmm

[rotund oak]

u should win this shaman

[humble verge]

what the hell kind of key is this

[gloomy heart]

LMAO

was a 8 arakara

[rotund oak]

..

irrelevant key

[humble verge]

aug in an ak8

lmao

: D

[balmy condor]

well

no healer

so

[gloomy heart]

nah its bugged

that was a pres

[balmy condor]

oh

[humble verge]

oh

[gloomy heart]

yeah...

[rotund oak]

..

[humble verge]

wait

im stupid

i see 3 dps

but i see 4

my brain malfunctioned

4 dps 1 tank meta is back bois

[rotund oak]

u r the mage aight?

[gloomy heart]

TYeah

trying to gear

[rotund oak]

remember one thing fam

ONE RING TO RULE THEM ALL

[humble verge]

why go mage

when you can go

meta

real

jk

[gloomy heart]

Mage will be meta

[rotund oak]

coz mage>all

[humble verge]

go hunter actually

[gloomy heart]

Mage is USUALLY meta

[humble verge]

nah

mage aint meta

[gloomy heart]

blizzards pets

[rotund oak]

mage is always meta,even when its not

[humble verge]

mage will just never be bad

[rotund oak]

the most extreme class in the game,no weaknesses

it has everything

[gloomy heart]

buff mage

[spice surge]

They just did

[gloomy heart]

Again

[shell turret]

hi, if i ask what the best m+ spec is can i go in the montage

[waxen oyster]

enhancement shaman

[shell turret]

jokes on u i already have 1 and suck

[waxen oyster]

How does enhance suck

[shell turret]

no, i suck

classic silvervale fan...

[waxen oyster]

Well that is the best spec.

[balmy condor]

what montage are we going in

[waxen oyster]

2010 cod

Full of gamerwords

[balmy condor]

damn

pass

[shell turret]

https://gyazo.com/d07ed438f92f9de82fd931df45e67728

the discord join montage

[balmy condor]

oh

idk that was just some shit one of the mods at the time made

like 8 years ago

he isn't even in the server anymore

[waxen oyster]

When was that ss made

💀

[shell turret]

damn i thought it was made this expac bc thats what every other class discord looks like...

[waxen oyster]

Why were people even asking that in Legion

[balmy condor]

legit start of legion I'm pretty sure

[waxen oyster]

That was a sub expac

for keys

[pastel roost]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[spice surge]

Well because you had to pick a spec to get your legendaries/ap for

So you couldnt just swap

[coral ibex]

around christmas 2017

[balmy condor]

yeah but was also start of m+ system as a whole

[waxen oyster]

Oh im aware

but sub was the clear winner

from tos onward

[spice surge]

It wasnt though

[balmy condor]

what do you know eleem, are you like the icyveins guide writer for that spec are something

smh

[waxen oyster]

I miss it

m+ players need a seperate zoo enclosure

for containment

[spice surge]

Smh my head

[waxen oyster]

Also tbh by the time tos rolled around

You had your legendaries if you played the game

it was en/nh that it was brutal

xmas 2017 they added the catchup or whatever?

Amirdrassil the first tier that sin in keys was pretty real for non otps idk.

[spice surge]

Shockingly the rework with the intended goal of making assa playable in keys made assa playable in keys

[waxen oyster]

Yeah I think you were kinda trolling playing it in legion

[spice surge]

It was fine in bfa

Just hard to play

[waxen oyster]

Ehhh worse than outlaw

by alot

[spice surge]

No

[spice spire]

[static glacier]

I remember the rupture spam hoping for poison bomb procs xd

[spice surge]

I mean seli was literally like top 5 scored rogue playing exclusively assa

For most of bfa and legion

[waxen oyster]

Seli kinda built diff

[blissful pecan]

how do we manage DS stacks on court?

do i manually refill with vanish-ambush if neccesary

[winged widget]

just be mindful of when the intermissions are gonna happen and which boss is getting the dmg amp.

save vanish for "oh shit" moments

[spice spire]

Seli had mental Illinois for being such a sin simp
Tho (I also am, but to a lesser degree)

[bronze pike]

outlaw was just easier to play than sin back in bfa

outlaw you had bladeflurry

and you play like a monkey and hit everything anyways

[spice spire]

Still is

[bronze pike]

yep

[spice spire]

[winged sun]

[spice spire]

Sup zeross

[bronze pike]

hemlo

[winged sun]

Cool mouse

hemlo

[spice spire]

Ty

Big rat fan

[bronze pike]

i have to pug my heroic raid this week

guild on holiday

[winged sun]

Biggest mouse fan in the universe

[bronze pike]

[rotund oak]

Idk for ST the exsang tech with the infinite haste was crazy

[spice spire]

Same king

Idk if I care

I’m literally only going for neck/cape and neck isn’t insane since I’m not raiding

[bronze pike]

i need ring

and neck

[spice surge]

Need a cloak so my bag ilvl can be 639

(failing that i will accept a mythic skardyn)

[kindred hinge]

Cba to farm ring in pug. Not when 11.0.7 is bringing a ring

[waxen oyster]

i meant keys

[spice spire]

Got ring 2 weeks ago

[waxen oyster]

What ring

ansurek?

It's going to be new ring and ansurek

[limber lion]

Still 620 ilvl or whatever

And big chilling

[bronze pike]

i mean that just means

ring slot hard lot to spider mommy riung and annulet 2

[waxen oyster]

i got the NW crit vers ring for ilvl

[kindred hinge]

Need to sim again Mommy spider ring hero Vs mythic rings. Last time I did was not worth it

[waxen oyster]

it sims worse than sob mast ring

[kindred hinge]

I have Siege mythic ring

[waxen oyster]

well

fuck you too buddy

but honestly spider ring on hc was 9k on patchwerk for me

over a hero siege ring

[kindred hinge]

Yeah but idc about patchwerk. Raiding days are long past… all hail mythic + andy

[waxen oyster]

Ok mentally illinois

[pearl steppe]

is it worth doing t8 delves without coffer keys?

to gear up?

i know u get runed crests but is that alone worth?

my instinct says delves are not worth the time without bountiful chests

[kindred hinge]

Delves are good for valorstone if you need that. But running them for the off chance to get keys?

What's the goal? Get gear or get knife?

If gear you would rather just go get some friend and run small keys, that's faster

[waxen oyster]

You can buy them for 1k undercoins each

[snow quest]

1k undercoins is something like 4k gold though on average

If you just buy reagents for them instead

[pearl steppe]

I want gear

im ilvl 606 is that enough for mythics or keys

[waxen oyster]

If it's your own key yes

You get a free enchanted runed crest from each renown you have at 24.

[pearl steppe]

oh there's a separate benefit if you're the one spending the key in the party?

the renown ur talking about

is it this?

[waxen oyster]

Yes

god damn that's low

[pearl steppe]

yeah im a casual xP

[snow quest]

If you have a lot of gold there are quick methods to gear

[pearl steppe]

i have 175k

[snow quest]

Delves are probably good then

[waxen oyster]

Yeah if you have no warbound gear

gold or renown

rough

[snow quest]

But without coffer keys you have to hope for delver's bounty

[sharp viper]

there is a short quest chain in ahj kahet in the open world city of threads that gives a enchanted runed crest

[waxen oyster]

Yes that's the other

The other 4 "free" ones are one at each renown at 24.

[patent heart]

How much damage gain is doing the opener ramp instead of going right into death mark and kingsbane

Also should I do the ramp before each deathmark

[pearl steppe]

i usually vanish to get the stronger garrote and rupture for the next cycle of deathmark/kingsbane yeah

[gloomy heart]

my mage has ansurek ring but not my rog! so sick!

[patent heart]

Should I re rupture as well even if it has some time left

[pearl steppe]

yeah because you want the stronger bleed to get duplicated by deathmark

ideally it's in the last like 6 seconds of the previous rupture

but yeah even if it is more than that i personally still apply the new rupture

[bronze pike]

giving up on pugging tonight

only got two bosses down

people hardstuck on blood/brood

[rotund oak]

im like maxed out since 2nd week on those(renown)

[slow echo]

!Log

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[rotund oak]

Quick heads up.Renown and gold come from delves much faster than anything else.U have to be doing +8 delves though.Also u need to do campaign if u havent done once and do world quests.For degen rep minmaxing kill all elites in the map(get an addon called rare scaner)

The rare materials u get from delves(pretty much anything sells for alot of gold in AH)

So,doing +8 delves gets u enough ilvl to 610,without any gear upgrades at all.Once u get on that ilvl u can start farming m+ which gives u runed crests to upgrade heroic track gear

from there u jump to 626

and on that ilvl u can do +10s dungeons to upgrade ur gear to 636

[frosty bridge]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[pearl steppe]

hey thanks for the summary that helps a lot

ok i will keep doing delves

i just wasnt sure if it was worth doing +8s without coffer keys for the bounty chest

i did finish the campaign and i usually clear the world quests

[kindred hinge]

I mean if you are 606, you can bump to 610 in less than one hour if you have the valorstone and a bit of PvP. Why bother with delve then?

Win an epic BG, use the crest to craft 3 item lvl 610.

Upgrade the rest of your gear. You get 610 incredibly fast. If you have some friends you can ask them to run you through 7 in leather stack too.

[pearl steppe]

ive never played pvp in this game

[blissful pecan]

💀💀💀

[kindred hinge]

You don't need to just chill in the bus

One BG for 3 easy 610 that can hold embellishments is an easy trade for any alt/fresh char

[cold rover]

what stats should i go with? more versa or more mastery?

[subtle tundra]

[kindred hinge]

Not enough int mate

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[quasi wigeon]

bois is it possible this is undersimming ? simmed 30k less than a 606 hand of justice

it was simmed at 619 ilvl

[fallen arch]

Why would u think that

[balmy condor]

delve trinkets all suck

except for the knife

the knife is good

[fallen arch]

Ye it’s a bad trinket regardless

[quasi wigeon]

i see

thanks

[rotund oak]

gold and trinket rng

the knife its literally 4rth best trinket for rogues

well sin and sub

[rotund oak]

ignore stat weights and sim each loot individually

[rotund oak]

u are just

bueno

:3

[kindred hinge]

Yep but the initial question was do delve without key. If you have keys for sure do them, without them meh

[sleek spear]

do we use algari mana oil or ironclaw whetstone guys?

[kindred hinge]

Because gph ain't even that good

Unless the cheese with bran in one specific delve lvl 1 still work

[rotund oak]

yeah there is no reason to do delves w/o keys but u can like get them from world quests and weeklies so its whatever

if u play the game u have keys

[grim jay]

algari if you are a cheapie

and whetstones otherwise

[warm vortex]

Wish my stats were like this all the time D:

[cold rover]

how did you manage to get 30% crit and 76% mastery i symply cannttt

[steel ridge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[rotund oak]

skadryns active on screenshot

[nova kelp]

SCourt mythic... I wish I was still doing dangerworm

[steel ridge]

is there any way to track supercharger?

[nova kelp]

most of the WA 's track it

all of them do I think

the ones listed up there

[steel ridge]

mhhh need to frankenstein something

[nova kelp]

what are you needing to see that they don't do ooc?

[steel ridge]

i just want to see that i have a stack... cannot find the buff in my buff bar thats why

[nova kelp]

the ones linked for sure all track that

[steel ridge]

ye just checking LEs

[nova kelp]

depends on which you're using, but generally it's just a fancy coloured cp

[steel ridge]

its showing 2 glowing cps

[steel ridge]

i am using a frankenstein version of afenar from 10.0 😄

[nova kelp]

ah yeah, unfortunately afs isn't being updated any longer so you're probs gona either need help updating it or the knowhow to do it on your own

[steel ridge]

i know, i usually do the maintenance myself

but if i dont see a buff id

i am fucked 😄

[balmy condor]

why are we even tracking it

[wheat fern]

!macro

[steel ridge]

peace of mind that i can 100% finish on 5 with DN up while being supercharged

cannot remember that i just shived

[nova kelp]

Whispyr, on court are you red or blue team?

[ornate dawn]

I swear every time I do a ST sim its a coinflip whether auth deps or radiant is better

[balmy condor]

but why

[balmy condor]

red

[nova kelp]

they're close asf is why

[steel ridge]

cause i lose count

😮

[balmy condor]

??

but if you have DN you go to 7

[steel ridge]

mhhh so forcing 10 cp is better than cycling faster?

[nova kelp]

DN just hard max

[balmy condor]

yes

we don't play around supercharges at all

ever

[nova kelp]

if you're playinjg around supercharge it's coz you're sub tbh

[balmy condor]

at best it's neutral

[steel ridge]

my sin game is rusty, just spent 200 pulls on court as sub, bear with my insolence, barely played the 11.0.5 version

thought its some kind of shortcut with supercharger

[warm vortex]

Pot + grace

hence why i said i wish it could be like this all the time

haha

[blazing pumice]

crafting is realm specific matey

[wild thorn]

i just throw it in public orders

its rng

if it comes max qual

[blazing pumice]

it's nott rng lol

you are hoping someone is willing to volunteer conc

[wild thorn]

i just throw 10k at their face

[blazing pumice]

yeah i'd take the 10k and keep the conc

[wild thorn]

idk anything about crafting

[warm vortex]

Just fucking died p1 of rashnan

Got teled to ground

[balmy condor]

this isn't trade chat, crafting is realm specific, please refrain from posting crafting requests

[warm vortex]

revived

for some reason put me back to the ship

Got targeted by the webs
Pulled to the ground and insta killed

what the fuck

[grim jay]

why would you even think you want to track it

[warm vortex]

Davyn

ask the 500 other people

who want a supercharger WA

i have no ieda why people want it either tho tbh

[grim jay]

but I dont know them and I dont expect them to have a brain capable of reasoning either

but I know nerazar

[grim jay]

I wish I could sell you my services

[warm vortex]

Guys

im lv 100 cooking with 2 max prof equipment item

im about to make some bacon baguettes

Anyone want some if i proc multicraft

Also somehow still slacking on my CT uptime >:(

[oak tangle]

i'd say yes, but if you're making baguettes there is no way you are on the same server as me

[pliant remnant]

Yeah, I'm not on Hyjal

unforch

[steel ridge]

mate its just personal preference... i didnt track it for now but i had moments when i was like "if only i had known i still have supercharger ready" 😄

i am the first to disable stuff that i dont need to track, i barely track anything

i just borrowed LEs combopoints now, those were basically the same as mine just with a glow on cp 1 and 2

i disabled the combopoint 7 glow tho, that one kinda sucks

[blissful pecan]

Im using supercharger tracker and think it helps a lot tho

Especially for DS stacks

[grim jay]

except that it doesnt

because you just do everything the same

no matter if its up or not

[grim jay]

which shouldnt really exist because of what I said above

[warm vortex]

Of crouse the eears clip

[lost dawn]

hi guys
is there any amount of Haste i should aim for as Assa rogue when doing +12s?
with my current gear options, i have the choice to go either of 2 stat distributions

[spice surge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[warm vortex]

Also these

do not seem effective

at all

[steel ridge]

you dont determine my preference!

[grim jay]

they always do

on good mogs

sadly

just convince yourself that there are openings cut in specificly for those

[worldly dock]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[warm vortex]

Bro

idk what the fuck is going on

my CT is so low

like uptime

im trying to keep it up constantly and i guess i just keep forgetting or something

Got all 12s done though

:D

[raw dock]

Guys, we can see a ton of different talent choices in M+ logs, I have a doubt about the Master Assassin x Sudden Demise discussion. Which is the best situation/M+ profile por each talent?

[warm vortex]

If you wanna chose

between them

id say sim

[grim jay]

they are all just personal pref

[warm vortex]

but if you are doing lower keys
SD is better

But yea i need to mak a wa that just has "USE CT YOU IDIOT" up constantly

because the uptime shouldent be 50%
Wayyy to low

[frail briar]

hey i am rogue for 2 weeks now can anyone tell me if the is oke dmg breakdown
and what need to be better

[raw dock]

Is it worth to drop Twist the Knife and get both Master Assassin and Sudden Demise?

[warm vortex]

Sim

[warm vortex]

Ct is VERY low

Same problem im having rn w mine at 50% uptime

30% uptime is super low

[raw dock]

Thanks

[warm vortex]

Make sure if 2 mobs are alive, they have the CT dot
Or well most of the time

[warm vortex]

I will say

if you are running double vanish or subter

MA is better than TTK imo

[frail briar]

yeah saw that thanks

[warm vortex]

This is the buil im running atm

[blissful pecan]

Actually i feel like it changes things a lot. like you can use evenom with 3 bubbles + 1 supercharger stacks to use ds stacks faster

[warm vortex]

If you have a compitent tank that you are in comms with

You CAN drop IW on specific dungeons if you really need the dps

Otherwise id suggest keeping it

[blissful pecan]

using mutilate 2 times for evenom vs just using once makes a big difference doesnt it?

energywise and stuff

[warm vortex]

The two main places that dropping it is fine includes SoB and MoTS
But places like GB you take it 100%

You mutilate if you need to reapply CS or if you are below 5 cp

The only time you would have to mutil in a bad spot is if you get 6CP with DN

[slow echo]

@balmy condor Approximately how much dps would I lose if I shiv after my kingsbane instead of immediately before it?

[warm vortex]

You don't need to @ whispyr about that, im p sure he is asleep but idk his scedual

[slow echo]

My apologies, I'll refrain from doing so in the future.

[warm vortex]

If your talking about double shiv theer is no reason to shiv after

It's ok!

Np he just has to answer a lot

If you have 1 shiv you do it halfway through the KB
2 shiv one before and one halfway
Order is DM Shiv KB for double shiv

[slow echo]

I know, but I did so on our Ky'veza kill and I was unhappy with the parse, then I looked at wowanalyzer and simms...I realized my dumbass was shiving after

[slow echo]

That part I didn't know

[warm vortex]

Hmm
Yoo sure thats the only thing you did wrong?

[slow echo]

I'm sure there's more

But that's a pretty big thing

[warm vortex]

Like
Refresh bleeds in pandemic minus improved garrote
Try and keep at least 1 envenom up
Make sure DN is top prio

[balmy condor]

Like 0.3ish

[warm vortex]

Oh nvm whispyr is awake

[slow echo]

0.3%?

[warm vortex]

What time is it for ya

[balmy condor]

Yes

[balmy condor]

6am

[warm vortex]

Oh so you just woke up

[slow echo]

Okay, so not that huge, but just to make myself feel better I gotta calculate that into what parse I would have had....

[warm vortex]

or your sleep scedual si fucked

[blissful pecan]

i feel like kyveza dmg is kinda luck based as well

[warm vortex]

Tbf
If your parse is low

[balmy condor]

I was asleep and then woke up

[warm vortex]

that isnt your main problem imo

Oh fair

[slow echo]

I had 97/98 parses on some sub 30% pulls, but our kill I had an 80

I wasn't happy

My uptime was lower than I'd like too

But that's because of mechanics

[warm vortex]

80 is
Fine?

When you said low parse i thought you meant like 20

But yea, maybe look throguh your log

[balmy condor]

You realize wipe log parses are a disaster right

[slow echo]

Bruh I can't be getting cooked by two of my raiders

[blissful pecan]

kyveza parse = killtime right after kingsbane, good evenom crits, good ambush procs

i feel like these are most of it

[slow echo]

Elaborate

[warm vortex]

Yea parses aren't always accurate to your skill

[balmy condor]

They’re wipe logs

[blissful pecan]

like

[balmy condor]

The parse means nothing

[blissful pecan]

i literally did same rotations and had similar items

[slow echo]

I know, but does it account for the parse at that time length or if you would have killed it?

[warm vortex]

Length i belive

[blissful pecan]

but I did 20k more dps based on killtime

[balmy condor]

Idk bout the exact technicalities it’s been years since I dug into it

[warm vortex]

Also i assume this is mythic Kyveza

[balmy condor]

But they are nowhere near accurate

[slow echo]

I was hoping for 1.6M dps on kill, but I didn't achieve that

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah

1.6 is really high

[slow echo]

That includes the 9% buff

[balmy condor]

That’s still pretty high

[warm vortex]

1.6 is top 20

Just chekced logs

[slow echo]

I've had rank 1's before, it's been a while though

[balmy condor]

You sim for what, 1.45?

[slow echo]

I think having to do officer duties pull to pull hinders my performance

[blissful pecan]

i think

1.6 is just area of luck

crit evenoms

[balmy condor]

9% wouldn’t be enough to get 1.6 off of a 1.45 sim

[blissful pecan]

tbh

[slow echo]

Roughly ~1.45, yes

I think 1.48

[grim jay]

except that you dont

[slow echo]

1.47 just checked

[balmy condor]

1.48 is barely enough to hit 1.6 accounting for the buff

[slow echo]

I know, I was hoping I'd play well enough to patchwork it

[balmy condor]

Did you get a charge?

[blissful pecan]

how does that not chage stuff a lot? cuz i feel like i do much more dmg after actually tracking them

[slow echo]

A couple, yes

[balmy condor]

Well then it’s not fucking patchwerk ya dingus

[slow echo]

lmaoooo

[balmy condor]

What are we doing here

[blissful pecan]

i might be wrong but i just dont understand

[slow echo]

Dingus indeed

[grim jay]

you FEEL, but you dont

[slow echo]

Also, how much do you charge for coaching?

[novel star]

Feel

[blissful pecan]

like 2 evenoms vs 1

that saves energy and gcd no?

[warm vortex]

what

[balmy condor]

I haven’t done coaching in a while idk what rates are these days

Used to do them for 40

[warm vortex]

2 envenoms do more damage than 1

tho

[slow echo]

[warm vortex]

he means 40 cents btw

not dollars

[slow echo]

Inflation probably going to hit me, but that's okay

[balmy condor]

But if you’re aiming for 1.6 on kyveza you don’t need help lmao

[novel star]

whispyr can you coach me for free big fella

[blissful pecan]

i mean mutilate

[novel star]

i’ll show ass

[slow echo]

My GM is getting coached by Atlas from Liquid again, maybe you can teach me min-max stuff idk

[balmy condor]

Is your ass worth >40?

[warm vortex]

You don't really mutilate for dps tho you do it for CP tho right?

[blissful pecan]

yeah exactly

[novel star]

Some would say so prolly, i don’t really believe it tho

[blissful pecan]

so you can save mulitilate if you take supercharge stacks into account

[novel star]

So like no

[blissful pecan]

maybe im dumb idk

[balmy condor]

There is no minmax on this spec man you can pound random buttons and it plays itself

[blissful pecan]

thats what i thought at least

more darkest night proc = more dmg

[warm vortex]

You don't track supercharger though?
It's completly passive

[balmy condor]

They killed pooling what minmax is there left

Supercharger ain’t shit

Envenom uptime ain’t shit

Energy ain’t shit

Just finish on 5

Ggwp

[warm vortex]

Sure whispyr
Let's get you your meds

:)

[novel star]

optimizing supercharger vs letting it be passive doesn’t make any difference in sims iirc?

[balmy condor]

If you want advice on how to hit 1.6 on kyveza play fatebound and pray to whatever deity you believe in

[blissful pecan]

but optimizing supercharger isnt hard but it does help dps right

[warm vortex]

Also whispyr

[blissful pecan]

maybe 0.01% but still

[hearty reef]

[balmy condor]

No

[warm vortex]

should i try that envenom build in a 12

[novel star]

it doesn’t help dps

[warm vortex]

only done it in 10s

[balmy condor]

YOLO

[novel star]

it’s equal to finishing at 5/7

[slow echo]

So if I was doing the shiv thing right I just multiply my dps by 1.03 to see what I would hit if I was shiving before?

[balmy condor]

You would multiply your dps by 1.003

[slow echo]

Oof okay

[balmy condor]

1.03 is 3%

[hearty reef]

Isnt 1.6 on kyveza just one deathmark in exec?

[warm vortex]

Aight gonna pug a 12 with this

Gonna sim SB over MA tho

Casue i dont have subter

[balmy condor]

I can see it with 2 DMs in execute or crazy rng

[grim jay]

not playing scent is griefing lowkey

[balmy condor]

1 dm in execute is crazy

[hearty reef]

K

[dapper cradle]

Dropping scent is wild bro

[balmy condor]

Yeah what dumbfuck gave you these talents fr

Dropping scent is wild

[warm vortex]

[balmy condor]

That dude must be some huge big dumbo idiot

[novel star]

kitchen nightmare talents

who cooked here

[balmy condor]

Probably got like a 14 inch cock measured diagonally like a television

[warm vortex]

True

He is also probably very good at writing things tbh

[grim jay]

even whispyr sometimes overcooks

[dapper cradle]

Bros cock veins look like garden snakes

[warm vortex]

Used all his brainpower in his hand writing and forgot to apply it to logic

[dapper cradle]

[slow echo]

I see why my dps is no bueno

[warm vortex]

But yea whispyr hope you didn't troll me too hard

i mean

I hope the mystery man didn't troll me to hard

Ill just blame the healer if we die

shrimple as that

[slow echo]

No 2nd combat pot, cause I thought I'd make it to a 4th deathmark and held combat pot

[balmy condor]

I mean I said, the mystery man said, that it’s probably bad

[warm vortex]

Yes but didnt the man say

It was fun

[dapper cradle]

The cock god had spoken

[balmy condor]

He did

And build works

[grim jay]

who the fuck cares about fun, you are playing m+

[balmy condor]

It’s not like it doesn’t work

[trim night]

hey, i have a question about weapons! Why does every guide on assass rugue i found seems to over look crit mastery dagger from NW? if crit mastery are BiS atm then i dont see why is DW dagger recommended as a substitute to the raid dagger which also btw doesnt have crit and mastery but haste in stead

[warm vortex]

Bro shut up

[balmy condor]

It’s just probably not ideal

[warm vortex]

im trying to just game

[warm vortex]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[novel star]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[novel star]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character

[warm vortex]

HAHA beat you to it

[balmy condor]

Cause you thought about bis stats more than all the guide writers combined

Also also the 3 bot commands above me

[novel star]

whispyr whys the restealth command gone

!stealth

[balmy condor]

Cba

[warm vortex]

My raid build has 15% haste

!whispyr

No whispyr command?

[novel star]

fair

[warm vortex]

Idk im still running it in this key

its only a 12

i can troll

Plus i want to see if i can hit a 20 mil dmg enven on 1st boss of MoTS with the full hyper ramp up

[novel star]

at least bad weeks are gone

[blissful pecan]

wait can i get some help on understanding why tracking supercharger does not help dps? cuz i sure does proc more darkest night right ?

[dapper cradle]

Highest I’ve hit is like 18.5

[steel ridge]

apparently the simbot says so, thats why

[dapper cradle]

20 is crazy

[balmy condor]

I got tired of riding the line between restealths matter BUT cause then we go into a billion hypotheticals and what about if my left ball is lower than my right and I twist my asshair 60 degrees to clockwise when I shit and the tank is playing the violin and it’s just not fucking worth it anymore ya know

[warm vortex]

I feel like

if i get the supercharger, 7 cp, darkest night, double TTK in zodyak

it will be higher than 20 mil

I know that is

[slow echo]

Approximately how much extra dps is a 2nd combat pot used on kingsbane?

[warm vortex]

super unnecessary steup

[novel star]

unshaved hole

[warm vortex]

But big number is bigg

Ive said it before

ill say it again

[balmy condor]

I keep it at a buzzcut stubble to ensure chafing

[novel star]

but yeah that’s valid

[warm vortex]

All rogue players are either your avarage 50 yr old pub geezer

[novel star]

ew

[warm vortex]

or super twink femboys

Like 40kg

K brbr boys

doing key

[balmy condor]

Oli are you 50 yr old

[warm vortex]

will say how it goes

[novel star]

what if i’m just a 21 year old loser with difficulty regulating my emotions

[balmy condor]

Then you’re not a 50yr old pub geezer

And there’s only one alternative

Curious

[novel star]

sorta feminine i guess but not a guy or a twink so

cant be a twink femboy

[balmy condor]

My dreams ruined

Crushed to dust

[novel star]

i mean

i’m not massive

but i’m not twink skinny

[balmy condor]

Taller than 5’7?

[novel star]

my ID says i’m 5’7 but i have bad posture and they measured it by eye

so it could be more

or less even

[balmy condor]

I can work with that bbgrl

[novel star]

cause shoes

who knows

[novel star]

[balmy condor]

@spice spire can do arm day with us, you on the left me on the right

Could be cute date idea

[blissful pecan]

i feel so stupid trying to get my head wrapped around this hahahaha

[balmy condor]

Who here hasn’t imagined lady and the tramping some spaghetti while some huge dude benches you with one hand

[balmy condor]

Around what

[blissful pecan]

trying to understand the supercharger thing

[balmy condor]

What’s confusing about it

[blissful pecan]

so if you mutilate one more time on 5 cp is kinda a waste right?

cuz you already can send evenom to consume deathstalker mark

[balmy condor]

That’s why we finish on 5 yes

[blissful pecan]

but why is it not a waste to send evenom on 5 stacks(with supercharger) when we can send on 3 to consume

isnt it the same thing

[shy creek]

feel like i walked in on smthn

[blissful pecan]

mutiliate - mutilate - evenom(1) mutiliate - mutilate - evenom(2) mutiliate - mutilate - evenom(darkest night)

mutilate - evenom(1) mutilate - evenom(2) mutilate - mutilate - evenom(darkest night)

[shy creek]

shiv starts supercharger

[blissful pecan]

yeah

[digital gale]

better to craft 636 armbands, weapon or something else?

[balmy condor]

Cause that’s just not impactful enough. You’re getting the same amount of envenom damage out but at the cost of lower energy efficiency

[balmy condor]

Both I guess idk

Bracers belt offhand are the crafts

[digital gale]

is it big diff to play with kukri instead of regicide for main hand?

[novel star]

holy…

[balmy condor]

As long as they’re the same ilvl it’s identical

[warm vortex]

This is fucking miserable

[balmy condor]

Life usually is, yes

[warm vortex]

No the build

he mystery ma

*the mystery man

[balmy condor]

Why misery

[normal mist]

Everybody wants to be my enemy

[balmy condor]

Build plays the exact same except big kaboom envenom and big kaboom cleave damage

[warm vortex]

No sbs or subter feels awful for the start of pulls

[gusty saffron]

Is there a way to get Deathstalker's Mark to switch targets without vanishing into another ambush? For example, I'm looking at top logs from Mythic Ulgrax and it seems some players are able to reapply the mark during the add phase. Pretty confused how they are doing this

[balmy condor]

Gotta carrote1, carrote2

[balmy condor]

Darkest night

[gusty saffron]

Ahhhhh, I see! Thank you so much!

[warm vortex]

Yea i think imma take either sbs or subter for the future
Makes it smooth brained

[balmy condor]

But is the kaboom envenom kaboom?

[manic sphinx]

@balmy condor completely new rogue here. Sat through your 1.5hr vid. Well worth, thx ❤️

[balmy condor]

Np friend

Sorry you had to listen to my voice for that long

My English teachers cut me off well before that

[manic sphinx]

All good. The drinking got me thru 😆

[balmy condor]

Bleed build

In current year

[warm vortex]

With no SD or IW X)

Looks horrid

I might try it

[balmy condor]

Yeh I mean no good way to sbs without dropping a capstone

[warm vortex]

True

[balmy condor]

Rough time for bleed bulls

[warm vortex]

and SD doesnt seem to bad to drop

[balmy condor]

Build

[warm vortex]

Bleed bull sounds like an assa tauren oc name

Question is

TTB or blindside

I feel like Blindside tbh

as im not running chargy

Offtopic i just got an air fryer

Holy shit it's so much easier than normal frying

[warm vortex]

Also random questiioN
Worst capstone in the assa tree

i feel like it's gotta be SD no?

[balmy condor]

Situational

[warm vortex]

Yea true, i moreso meant as a whole

[balmy condor]

I have an answer but you won’t like it

[warm vortex]

Dragon temp?

Or carnage

[balmy condor]

If you coax the sim a little it wants to drop kingsbane

[warm vortex]

Cuase carnage is valid

Oh damn

i really wasnt expecting tha

God assa with 1 cd must feel so weird lo.l

Drop KB for the extra SD dps yes yes

[balmy condor]

I mean unironically yeah kinda

[warm vortex]

Cause i aint running dragon

so the ramp will be slower

WHISPYR

[plush wasp]

good sunday to all! Should i aim in Single Target burst phase for envenom with max cp or just quantity of envenom? ty

[warm vortex]

NO KINGSBANE SIMS HIGHER

NO FUCKING WAY HAHAH

[frosty bridge]

wtf

can i see that sim :3

i wanna drop KB too

[warm vortex]

It's a shit build

bleed build

[balmy condor]

Same rules, 5cp for any finisher, 7cp for darkest night

[hollow river]

[grim jay]

yeah do a key for science and show me your boss dmg

[warm vortex]

I mean

assa has no boss dps anyway

why not make it worse

[balmy condor]

Real

[grim jay]

yeah idk, its not as bad as people make it out to be all the time

[balmy condor]

Tell tank to pull adds on boss for event

Scent

[warm vortex]

Bro it's mists too

watch the first boss take 3 cycles to kill XD

[balmy condor]

Yeah gg

[warm vortex]

Imma just

take SD off and give myself kingbane

just cause yknow

If it was like

any other dungeon that wasnt NW id do it

[frosty bridge]

how worse can it be with blindeside

and with no kingsbane

(probably a lot)

[warm vortex]

Imagine assa with no nergy talents

literally 10 apm

Tbh it's prolly gonna feel the same

just with blindside

This build not the no energy one

Also our MT is like bedridden for a week so no mythic tonight i think

sad

[golden loom]

I mean... Vanilla dagger rogue is like 21 casts per min

[novel star]

wow nice christmas server icon . i feel so jolly

until someone talks about m+ again in 10 minutes

[indigo cradle]

dawnbreaker 8 to farm crest. 621 ilvl, 1.3M overal. Subterfurge + double vanish build. I'm doing something wrong or garrote on top could happens?

[desert crest]

Gattote on top is not normal no

[novel star]

Spatter way too low

[desert crest]

can u post ur buff uptimes

[novel star]

garrote without stealth is a very low value gcd and should be ignored completely more or less

you just get ur 5 ruptures and then slam envenom for caustic

[desert crest]

I mean u still want to get out ur garrote at the start and keep it up on ur spatter target but yeah it is not that important

[warm vortex]

Ok

this build isnt going

too bad

[novel star]

even that doesnt really do much

[desert crest]

No true but most of assa does not do much but it all adds up

[blissful pecan]

ok i finally understand the supercharger thing

cant believe i fuking had to run R to understand this haha

[digital gale]

while crafting rune-branded armbands, what extra reagants to add?

[desert crest]

Yeah u can see caustic spatter is only 69% should be much higher than that since that is the main driving force of ur aoe

[novel star]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[indigo cradle]

what is a good range % for caustic spatter?

[desert crest]

About the same as ur deadly poison

should be up almost 100% of the time spent in combat

[warm vortex]

Tbh

that build wanst too bad

Just worse than normal

X)

Dropping tempered is a big loss

Bleed build in this day and age

TECHNICALLY dropping KB for SD sims higher

but you will do like 0 boss dps

Also playing with no KB would feel super weird

[snow quest]

Why not drop the shiv talents and get sd and iw if you're gonna play that though?

[warm vortex]

Also simmed a bit
This one is 2.218M dps
Regular is 2.255M dps
and fatebound sims 1.925M

Bro im playing bleed

It's already a bad choice

[desert crest]

Dont need to make it worse than it is tho right?

[warm vortex]

Also AP is for the bleed shiz
It's a bad build for a bad man

[snow quest]

Sd execute isn't in sims

[warm vortex]

Also fatebound that far behind is so depressing

Anyway brb

Or rather

[clever sapphire]

and what about the st sim

[warm vortex]

Didn’t do those yet

Does anyone know if there is a limit to the amount of coins you can flip in a row

Like matching the same side

Cause if not I wanna see how high people have flipped in a row and how high a tails like 20 flip would be

[royal lantern]

what

i genuienly want to know what is fun about "0 changes in your aoe gameplay, you can rng high or low roll"

[warm vortex]

As I said right after

Rolling high is fun :D

[flint tusk]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[warm vortex]

Tf is the 🗿 for

lol

[subtle tundra]

close details

do you notice anything when you high roll?

if you play shaman and you high roll, you fucking notice it

[warm vortex]

:(

Also hi Varas

[subtle tundra]

sorry but your opinion is bad

[warm vortex]

I know

Also got my Christmas stuff earlier this week

Apparently the place I got the tree has been Christmas decorated since mid September

Which is just

Why

Tbh I was surprised how close the bleeds sim was with the normal one

[mint urchin]

No one plays the game like this and you know it. Our fun factor is based on details.

[novel star]

mmm

varas is kinda right

sin doesn’t have any fun highrolling in like actual gameplay

you never press different buttons and feel like ur popping off

when u coin highroll

it just happens

[hallow sonnet]

Feels good when FoK crits

[novel star]

other specs “highrolling” get to mash expensive buttons or long cds or whatever cus they got lucky resets

and it’s pog

[mint urchin]

I dunno, sometimes that shit is stressful. The flipside is if you dont hit the button you feel like you've lost

[novel star]

then just hit it

[mint urchin]

Outlaw is like that a lot if you didnt fit the last BtE into your sub window

And lets be real, timing keys and killing bosses equates to more fun then a rotation. Thats why so many people tolerate aug.

[wraith marsh]

🗿

[novel star]

Ur overcooking a lot here man

idk what to tell you

pressing buttons just feels good sometimes

[mint urchin]

I mean its not really a cook, so many people have to pick a different class then what they like just to get invited to a group

[novel star]

it’s not like a logical thing

[spice spire]

That’s today king

[warm vortex]

I can't call you Ill anymore >:(

Ill call you com

[slate crown]

I play like this

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-frog-sip-tea-time-gif-16747891

[warm vortex]

Better than playing like this

Image of my RL's old UI

[mint urchin]

Why does he have 3 bars of mounts?

[hallow sonnet]

when I was progress raiding I always had damage meters hide in combat

[slate crown]

It's just better.

[warm vortex]

No clue why

I still have details up but it's just preferance tbh

[slate crown]

Because they're cultured af

[warm vortex]

It can genuinly help but it can also be bad

[hallow sonnet]

What you want visible are things that aid you in making the correct decisions during an encounter. If you start from there, you can see that there's so much stuff not needed to take screen or focus estate

[slate crown]

It is literally useless in combat unless you're a raid leader deciding who to battle rez, but honestly even then you probably already know who you should brez if you're in that situation.

[rotund oak]

got a headacke by watching this 😂

[slate crown]

mods

post the classic wrath ui

[solar wyvern]

Uhm actually seeing my name off the meter makes me play better because dopamine requires a yellow name on the meter

!!

[slate crown]

your brain is broken I cannot help you

[solar wyvern]

Haha

[rotund oak]

u dont need details when u progress

disable and play the game

[novel star]

sexymap bottom center is insane

thats the worst shit ive ever seen deadass

[solar wyvern]

Warcraft logs and recordings are much more valuable in prog agreed

[warm vortex]

Yea weve mocked him a lot for it

[slate crown]

I have my minimap bottom center.... on my gathering alt

[warm vortex]

Even thogh it's old we still mock him

he has changed it

[novel star]

that doesnt count le

[warm vortex]

but we still mock him

[novel star]

ive seen worse uis than that anyway

[rotund oak]

thats based

[novel star]

thats pretty fucking bad tho

[slate crown]

the classic

[solar wyvern]

Looks good to me 😌

[spice spire]

Delete this number

[novel star]

i would really love to see gameplay with an eye tracker

for someone like this

like

theres no wa y theyre actually glancing at the buffs top left and shit

[runic hinge]

Where did you get me ui

[slate crown]

stu secret agent

[stiff talon]

Quick question - In M+ after applying bleeds and with caustic - do I always aim for 7 Combo point envenom or do I use it if i have 5+?

[shy creek]

5+

Unless Darkest Night is up, then you want to go to 7 to proc that

[stiff talon]

What about the mark after DN?

3 marks*

[shy creek]

Only need 5 cp to proc it

Also if you FOK (fan of knives) again you're wasting a good amount of combo points so you send on 5+

[shy stream]

for m+ (primarily pugging), do people prefer to set focus on the prio target and manually/tab targetting to kick mobs, or setting focus for kicks instead?

[shy creek]

Whatever is easiest for you is the answer

[vocal bobcat]

Do I use clear the witness on single target or is it better to mutilate?

[shy creek]

Can use CTW

[vocal bobcat]

cool thank you

[shy stream]

thanks! back to hw keys i go 🙂

[vocal bobcat]

also does kingsbane work with caustic splatter or is it only weapon poisons?

[grim jay]

does it say

poison damage

or weapon poison damage

[shy creek]

Works with Caustic

[vocal bobcat]

I don't trust blizz tool tips

[novel star]

does it say plague damage and cosmic coinflip damage

no, but those spatter too

blizz tooltips are shit

[shy creek]

^

Blizzard is not SO consistent with this stuff that these kinds of questions aren't valid

[acoustic kernel]

hey guys - im pretty new at assa. is there a trick to stack up kingsbane to 1000? sometimes i get it to 1000, but most oft the time i get like 500-700. I keep up my envenom buff and ye. sometimes it goes really fast, some times not 😄

PS: usin shiv at 8 sec left of kingsbane

[shy creek]

Pooling a little bit before sending kingsbane

Around 70% of your energy including a thistle tea sends you up there

[clever sapphire]

its all about luck

i just stopped lookin at it and all i made sure is to spam envenom during kingsbane

works 99% of the time

[acoustic kernel]

what do you mean with "pooling" sorry im german, so my eng isnt the best 😄

[past marten]

pooling energy to have more casts during Kingsbane

[shy creek]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it
• Super Min-Max stuff includes avoiding the auto proc of tea (less than +0.2%, tea/shiv macro is optimal)
• Refreshing Envenom in pandemic instead of spamming it (mostly relevant for m+ without TTK, can be up to 0.5%)
• Otherwise nothing matters. Pooling before kingsbanes isn't important because of tea lining up and deathmark giving a huge surge of energy

[acoustic kernel]

ah - i will try it guys. more tips appreciated 🙂

[shy creek]

Pooling means you're saving energy and not sending mutilate to wait for your energy to go up

[acoustic kernel]

but when kingsbane runs, i have to stack it up with mulitlate and shhiv, right?

[shy creek]

Yes, but before you press kingsbane

You save the energy so you can send it with mutilate and all that

Otherwise you're pressing mutilate every 3rd gcd begging for more energy

[dense spruce]

whats the best way to proc lingering darkness before key

[versed bronze]

and i have 90 gilded crest need help, socket or weapon?

[grim jay]

you could like

sim

tho im pretty sure the socket is worth more than stats on the weapon

[versed bronze]

if i got socket what do i do with the 90 gilded crest

[shy creek]

Dagger to reach 639 imo

[jade carbon]

chest craft u can do if u dont need that crest

[versed bronze]

what about the embelishment i have ascension

[shy creek]

Swap them to dawn

[grim jay]

thats like

some weird stuff

[shy creek]

?

[versed bronze]

can i put dawn on chest?

[grim jay]

what use is it to get to 639

other than incredibly small epen

[shy creek]

Gilded Crest reduction for alt

[grim jay]

wow

not taking dps gains for alt crest reduction

sounds like solid advise

[jade carbon]

propably yes

[grim jay]

should be able to ye

[versed bronze]

crafting chest is best i think

and getting a socket

[grim jay]

ye, socket and chest craft looks really solid

[shy creek]

I mean I said imo, I never said it was correct lmfao

[versed bronze]

for the wrist and swapping ascension to 2x dawn

wait i dont need to swap

[patent heart]

looking at random logs, some peple vanish in the middle/toward the end of their deathamark for the improved garrote and others right before popping deathmark, which is better?

[versed bronze]

is it possible to sim 2x dawn vs ascension+writhing?

weapon is 16k dps loss in sim because of embelishment

[snow quest]

You can click the little + on the weapon in top gear and create a copy of it without the embellishment

[digital gale]

any crafters here? ^_^

[young nebula]

Are we still running Double Dawnthread Embellishments, Or is it sim-dependant ?

[novel star]

nothing has changed

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[novel star]

this command is still accurate

dawnthread wins as soon as theres any amount of aoe

[spice surge]

Embellishments are also very weak so the difference between the worst and the best is very very small

At like 0.5% at the absolute highest

[young nebula]

I raid Heroic and have Regicide and Kukri, I made belt and bracers with Dawnthread on both, I was just wondering If It was worth changing them, Probably not

[rotund oak]

u r fine

[novel star]

if you only have hero daggers nothing you can do with your crests or your time will give you more power than crafting a 636 dagger

[rotund oak]

its the best all arounder

[novel star]

regardless of if it's embellished or not

[young nebula]

Yeah, I'll have a look into that, Thanks

[novel star]

you should asap prio an unembellished dagger

for your main hand

and keep the 2 636 dawnthread armor pieces along with it

cause recrafting is expensive and not worth it for tiny irrelevant damage anyway

[young nebula]

Absolutely makes sense

[novel star]

but yea