#assassination

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prisma monolithBOT
kindred hinge
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Wait until it happens in real life too.

World University ranking are a lie (because it is an Anglo self perpetuating system that does not take into account the rest of the world system) but still back then I got some job application refused because I did not go to X or y schools.

I have a PhD from a top 100 university, the X and Y while top 5 in the country I applied don't register in the top 500.

Ranking are stupid.

novel star
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earth is the world of war craft

vast shuttle
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is this the pve section?

novel star
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mhm

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is used for all 3 specs

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i believe

flint star
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I have DM and Skardyn's macroed, but I swear their CDs desync somehow

coral ibex
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its the affix this week in m+

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it gives you cdr

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but not for your trinkets

flint star
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WoW

rotund oak
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im trying to calm myself from all the st@pid tanks today

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every key i que'd on my ponytails is gone coz tanks cant tank

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im so sad

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bro walks out melee range on sob last boss three times

vast shuttle
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why cant i find the gladtior pvp transmog anyone knows?

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from dragonflight

rotund oak
normal mist
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Its there

rotund oak
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but check the vendors in valdraken

vast shuttle
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alright

rotund oak
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Like how can u not know u cant walk out the tentacle in sob and be 2.9 r.io

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its not even a speical key,just an 11

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i need some tea,i could choke someone

crimson vector
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is having leech on mh vs oh relevant at all

rotund oak
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no it doesnt matter at all

royal python
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On kyveza mythic, if we precloak the shade hit, do we avoid the queensbane dot altogether?

winged quail
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yeah but then you can't cloak the sweep and laugh at everyone else running away

novel star
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kyveza not sikran

winged quail
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oh im dumb

novel star
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but yes, on kyveza you can avoid the orbs and shit if you cloak when marked

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probably dont do it on the last phase if ur still progging tho

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want to cloak enrage if u see it

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but yeh

royal python
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Ok thanks

humble verge
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
manic sphinx
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sometimes i press deathmark, and it doesnt apply it - anyone know why?

novel star
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out of range perhaps

manic sphinx
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nope - im wondering if it is because i have it on anotehr target? ..but in boss fights, that doesnt seem to be the case either

novel star
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oh like deathstalkers mark

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?

manic sphinx
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umm, yea

novel star
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uhh

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what do you mean "press deathstalkers mark"

manic sphinx
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No, Deathmark then

proven jasper
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Can we stop calling the mark deathmark HOLY HOLY HOLY

novel star
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well deathmark, the 2 minute cooldown

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is a 2 minute cooldown

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so im not sure how you could get the idea it can be pressed on multiple targets

royal python
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Then you probably don't have garotte rupture up, so nothing to duplicate

novel star
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and deathstalkers mark, the hero talent, you can move to a new target with either ambush or DN

manic sphinx
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oooh

old urchin
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
manic sphinx
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Sorry i'll finish this run, then head to dummies and see what it is exactly

gilded wolf
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Any recommendations for an assassin content creator that I could watch guides from?

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Like is Dalaran Gaming any good or someone differ?

brazen sluice
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casual addict

novel star
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Whispyr has great video guides if you can listen to him yap

brazen sluice
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hes my fav rogue streamer

novel star
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little outdated on builds/bugfixes but the rotation stuff is all the same

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and covered in great detail

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dalaran not ideal iirc

slow marsh
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correct

novel star
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whispyr the goat

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just skip anything about talents and use his wowhead guide for those

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cause this is from pre 11.0.5

slow marsh
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dalaran gaming content is fine but he would be categorized as a casual who plays most specs

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not someone you would learn from

primal oasis
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!restealth

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!stealth

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Fk

novel star
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
novel star
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ok bot works

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i guess that command was deleted idk

slow marsh
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it's in whispyr's video

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tldr no restealth does hurt but also no restealth usually means you are pulling bigger which means more damage overall so it's a tradeoff that ends up not mattering much

keen spruce
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There’s nothing you can do about a tank preventing you from getting Restealths

novel star
keen spruce
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Bad tanks will give you bad chains and naturally less restealth opportunities

novel star
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it’s about faster

keen spruce
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But overall it doesn’t matter

novel star
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chainpulling itself, regardless of pull size

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is a dps gain

slow marsh
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yeah

novel star
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because you’re not afking

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but yeh

keen spruce
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And the overall group damage gained from chaining is better than your own personal damage from stealthing

novel star
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same shit different words

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chain good

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damage big

keen spruce
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Also this dungeon pool doesn’t necessitate a lot of chain pulling

slow marsh
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chaining is more what i meant by big but good call out

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also we have 2 charges of vanish so just use them idk

keen spruce
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There’s almost always downtime between packs and areas

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And opportunities to stealth

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And WoT ye

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Like in a normal key I lose like 2-3 stealths at most with the routes we do

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And those can all be covered with vanish

manic sphinx
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As a new rogue, i find it really difficult tho - not good yet at spraeding my bleeds manually

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i panic and do 0 dmg to the pack

novel star
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just gotta vibe

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take it slow

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and only use rupture

solar wyvern
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Garrote is fake

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Only garrote your primary target and everything else gets ruptures

manic sphinx
novel star
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don’t even really have to do the primary garrote thing

novel star
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or when you consume the capstone buff

manic sphinx
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ya

novel star
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kinda bad names from blizz

solar wyvern
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Yeah i just garrote primary if I land on 6cp during dn or 4cp

manic sphinx
novel star
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whole rotation is just relaxing

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chiller spec

solar wyvern
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Yep, 5 ruptures into fok+envenom

manic sphinx
# novel star kinda bad names from blizz

yea - so actually, i've been vanishing and then garroting - and thinking that deathmark applies my deathstalkers. but now i need to make sure everytime i vanish (e.g. in the case of chain pulls) i should ambush first, else i can never get my deathstalker's up

novel star
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not really true

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you don’t want to ambush if you have darkest night available

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ambush kinda sucks

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ideally you only ever ambush once per key

manic sphinx
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yea im assuming i dont have darkest night

novel star
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realistically this isn’t how it plays out but like perfect world yea

manic sphinx
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oh wow, really? lol ...i figured ambusing with darkest night wouldn't matter that much

solar wyvern
novel star
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over pressing something else

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ambush isn’t a very good button in general (mutilate is just better)

plucky quail
novel star
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and in aoe fan / stealth garrote are better

manic sphinx
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fair enough - as a new rogue tho, i need to remind myself to ambush to get it up in the first place tho, i guess. so if i already ahve it, i should just go straight into improved garrote?

novel star
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ye

manic sphinx
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kk thx

novel star
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if u have enough time on dn to spread your bleeds and set up spatter and shit

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you just ignore ambush

manic sphinx
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kk

novel star
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and do 2 garrotes to start

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could argue for mark uptime from ambush giving you a little more singular focus value but not a relevant amount really

manic sphinx
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ya i been 2 garrotes, then 2 rips (assuming there's mroe than 3 mobs)

novel star
manic sphinx
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should i be applying caustic before or after tempest?

flint star
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Man I wish they swap positions of Sanguine Blades and Doomblade on the tree

novel star
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doesn’t really matter too much

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but after

manic sphinx
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ok, ty ty

novel star
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ct does a lot of damage

manic sphinx
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I like my plater profile, so dont really want to change - so is there a way i can somehow add something specifically for which of my targets have deathstalkers mark? I'm not really familiar with palter settings

novel star
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you want good uptime on it

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plater shit i cant help with i just use whispyrs lmao

manic sphinx
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hmm, yea..

crimson vector
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sims are telling me to go 1 dawn // 1 dusk, has anyone else experienced this

humble verge
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man i tried whispyrs plater

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that shit did not work for me

grim jay
novel star
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but i like the colours

manic sphinx
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Okay, i just added it as a Buff Special - easy enough. So now i can have an icon specifically on my target showing where it is

humble verge
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the fucking plates are too dark

novel star
grim jay
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wtf

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thats some next level shit

novel star
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fair enough

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ui is very personal

grim jay
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guy playing on -50 brightness

humble verge
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no

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the platers

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are dark

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i have like full brightness in wow lmao

grim jay
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yeah not at all for me

manic sphinx
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yea i didn't like whyspers, im used to mine for interrupts

grim jay
manic sphinx
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now its like this, lol

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humble verge
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yeah but

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thats 3

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not 8 fucking platers

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i can barely find the main marked one

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jesus

rotund oak
humble verge
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had 12 interrupts that dung 😭

novel star
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skill issue ICANT

grim jay
humble verge
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im using jundies

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ill show on dummies

rotund oak
manic sphinx
humble verge
grim jay
humble verge
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when this shit

image.png
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is stacking

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and im moving

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cause the tank is

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they change and move every time

grim jay
humble verge
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the interrupt bar was even darker

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but i guess i gotta get used to it

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took me a bit time with this plater too but

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i honestly

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just need that WA for mark/DN

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and or KB/DM

manic sphinx
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!tea

prisma monolithBOT
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Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
grim jay
rotund oak
acoustic hedge
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hi guys, do anyone know if raidbots for rogue in 10.0.5 is accurate? It seams is calculating low dps, if it is, is there any way to solve this, someone told me about an api.

vast shuttle
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can anyone help me i just started with war within iam lvl 80 now. and idk what gear to get is there any link i can get to what i should focus on getting?

grim jay
limber lion
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You do not do anything to the apl or the api

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You're either simming wrong or your character/setup just sucks

manic sphinx
grim jay
vast shuttle
limber lion
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No

acoustic hedge
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i Simulated at dummy with no buffs to check if my rotation is ok compared to me hitting the dummy, at raidbots its saying my char hit like 850k but i dan do 1.1-1.2m. both without buffs.

manic sphinx
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!stats

prisma monolithBOT
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There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
  • Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
grim jay
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you can care about that at like 630

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and then you sim

limber lion
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Over 5 minutes

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Maybe after like a minute sure

acoustic hedge
limber lion
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Link the sim

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And let's see the 5min details

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Or better yet a log

grim jay
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all the time

acoustic hedge
grim jay
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or hits multiple targets

rotund oak
limber lion
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Yeah sim looks good

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Let's see the log next

limber lion
acoustic hedge
manic sphinx
# grim jay or hits multiple targets

haah that reminds me. i remember in dragonflight, when i was playing feral, i had insane dmg on dummies with something, often. turns out i was hitting a critter in stormwind that just mucked up everything

acoustic hedge
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both single

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dummy im testing on kalpfist

limber lion
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Also, sim is an iteration of 10k+ iterations

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What is a kalpfist?

acoustic hedge
manic sphinx
rotund oak
limber lion
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Or getting high procs/crits

manic sphinx
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Yep, loving it here 😄 ...after playing tank, then priest, and now my first dps class this xpac, (and first time rogue), you guys are really helpful - appreciat eit!

acoustic hedge
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but isnt 850k low for my ilvl??

limber lion
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No

acoustic hedge
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im with 47 mast and 21 crit

limber lion
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It's without any potions, consumables, raid buffs

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Stats do not matter

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You sim like 1.27m with buffs

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You're fine

rotund oak
limber lion
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Assa is just not a big st spec

rotund oak
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this is a start

acoustic hedge
manic sphinx
round light
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Yeah Assa's single target is quite underwhelming when you can't get energy from additional targets unfortunately

rotund oak
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And then u try sub

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and u realize that sub blows up bosses

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but loses to sin in aoe

proven jasper
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Sub giga_chad

rotund oak
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Sub deletes bosses,its actually crazy how much u gap everyone else

proven jasper
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Best feeling

lean creek
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Hello, everyone!

Sorry to bother you, but I just joined this Discord channel and was hoping to ask for some help.

I’ve been playing Diablo 4 recently and absolutely love the rogue class there. It’s simple, easy to understand, and doesn’t require managing too many abilities or mechanics.

That said, my first love is WoW, and I’ve always admired how awesome rogues can be. But for me, playing a rogue feels overwhelming. There are so many buttons to press, cooldowns to manage, and mechanics to track, all while focusing on boss fights. My brain struggles to keep up with all of it at once!
I love the rogue class, especially Assassination and Outlaw, and I was wondering:
Is there a build that’s simple, very few abilities to press, doesn’t require tracking or managing too many things, but is still decent for both AOE and single-target damage?

I know this might be a bit of a silly request, especially since most players here are likely much more skilled and prefer deeper, more complex builds. But as a tired, old gamer, I just want to enjoy the game without overthinking too much.

If you have a little time, I’d really appreciate your help finding a straightforward build that’s mid-tier for both Assassination and Outlaw.

Thank you so much in advance! 😊

novel star
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that dummy loses hp

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so you are spending a huge amount of your time in execute with the dummy at 0% hp

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getting giga damage from zoldyck and giga energy from blindside procs

shy creek
novel star
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dummy sims keep the target at 100% hp the entire time, like the real training dummies do

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ok yeah ur sim has zoldyck and shit

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thats the problem then

kindred hinge
tawny geyser
novel star
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hit the normal dummies on top of the pillars

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not that weird guy

limber lion
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(It is basically one of the standard Mythic+ builds)

winged quail
kindred hinge
acoustic hedge
lean creek
limber lion
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An abbreviation for Assassination

wet plover
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Taking Sudden demise and Sanguine at same time is also tough

limber lion
wet plover
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But whats the new tech with the two vanishges?

limber lion
novel star
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No tech, you just hold one for whatever you want to use it on

limber lion
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And Sudden Demise is a must for stuff like Delves, open world and whatever

wet plover
kindred hinge
novel star
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1/2 lethality and wat are both fine to play

limber lion
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And assuming he wants to reduce button bloat, not having too much tied to and making it a must play button in KB windows, it's easier this way

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You don't really lose much

novel star
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whatever you want

vast shuttle
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what poisons should i use in mythic +?

novel star
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lethality got nerfed at the same time that subterfuge got GIGA buffed

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so wat is an option now

limber lion
prisma monolithBOT
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You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

  • Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
    Non-Lethals:
  • Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

rotund oak
kindred hinge
rotund oak
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can tell u that much

kindred hinge
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Nice, I don't mind sin but always found dance more engaging

brazen sluice
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could some1 suggest a padding talents for 12+ keys?

kindred hinge
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Why would you want to pad?

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You are not a ret

brazen sluice
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i want talents for most dps of my spec

rotund oak
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u can sim them

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like u can literally take all the variations and apply on ur character and press sim

kindred hinge
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Being an effective DPS in key and padding are two different thing. Anyway front loading damage on squishy is what will get you fast overall but it doesn't mean it is useful and in any case rogue is not the best suited for that

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Reroll enh if you want to do crazy prio damage and pad at the same time

short night
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is mad queens mandate worth updating?

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upgrading*

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idk if im being greedy

novel star
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yeah probably

short night
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i know it's S tier

novel star
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good trinket

short night
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im still farming for skardys

wet plover
novel star
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mandate isn’t a skardyns replacement

short night
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i think if i have mad queen + skardyns ill be good?

wet plover
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Didnt know that was an option

short night
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no i know, ill have skardyns and mad queen

novel star
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sim it

kindred hinge
novel star
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but mandate do big boom

limber lion
kindred hinge
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But be careful because forgoing utility for DPS is not always the best choice

short night
# novel star yeah prob

its not a matter of simming im just deciding if its worth it to farm for skardyns + spyglass as well

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i think ill be happy with just one of them lol

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since mad queens seems to be great

limber lion
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If you don't mind the 2 on-use trinket gameplay

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It is pretty good yeah

novel star
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because you can sim skardyns+spyglass

short night
novel star
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and decide based on the dps increase

short night
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is what i meant

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xd

novel star
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if it’s worth

short night
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ive ran GB 500 fucking times

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this game sucks

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and it takes me 30 min to ge tinto a group

novel star
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idk

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just do vault keys

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for passives i guess

short night
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i dont have anyone to run with really anywya

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so annoying

kindred hinge
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Or just buy it. Won't believe that in 500 run it never dropped in your group

short night
novel star
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paying for a hero track item

short night
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how

novel star
limber lion
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500 is obviously exaggerated

short night
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^

limber lion
short night
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its a hyperbole

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oh

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i mean i have like 30m i need to spend

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honestly

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might just offer someone gold fo rit

kindred hinge
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Tank drop it. Offer him 100knget trinket. If he doesn't want go to 200k etc

limber lion
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Good thing it's only for this season

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I had to farm Phial of Putrefaction in every single season back in Shadowlands

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I know every single corner of Plaguefall

kindred hinge
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Yeah ptsd

novel star
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do the s2 dungeons have any absurd trinks

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i don’t remember

limber swallow
limber lion
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Probably, there's always one or two

limber lion
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But it's definitely annoying because it's a forced grind because usually the timewalking lasts for a short while

kindred hinge
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Ay least you could farm it easily. Dathea trinket S1 DF or spymaster this tier for caster being locked behind raid was much more annoying

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You did your three tries? Better luck next weekm

merry iris
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!tricks

prisma monolithBOT
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Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
royal lantern
novel star
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dunno

royal lantern
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cus i cant remember ever seeing somebody saying "pay me gold for that item"

novel star
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maybe xdd

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it’s only happened to me once

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some guy wanted my hero sac for 250k

royal lantern
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250k for a hity heroic item

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nice joke

novel star
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i didn’t take the deal

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loser energy

coral ibex
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ive traded like 4 hero skardyns for free by now

novel star
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keep ur bought gold

coral ibex
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and 3 sacs

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selling hero items is turbo weird lol

grim jay
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there were plenty people paying for the queen ring tho

kindred hinge
grim vigil
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i need quick help just dropped weapon which has higher low dmg than crafted weapon, do i use the crafted weapon with 3.5k - 7.3k or the weapon from raid same ilvl with dmg ranging from 4.4k - 6.6k which weapon do i use in the main hand?

kindred hinge
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Like never had been so ez to make gold. I had days making 600k in 3h. Gold are made to be spent

royal lantern
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i went from 600k to 1,4million

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by making radiant power enchant 1x a day

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thats it lol

short night
kindred hinge
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Yep so many way to do passive gold. So just spend

short night
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this is waht he sounds like

royal lantern
kindred hinge
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Like selling skip in ulduar. Take no effort made millions on people wanting to go fast

spice spire
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Nobody wants to work
Playing a video game isntead of working irl

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?

royal lantern
kindred hinge
grim jay
spice spire
grim jay
kindred hinge
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Reactive work. Get paid to be available if shit hit the fan

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Chill the rest of the time

spice spire
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I "work" 60ish but fit log review stuff and other things in between while I'm waiting on others -

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also not for you specific

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just a wild statement "nobody wants to work" when it's a game

grim jay
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I mean its also wild to call it loser energy if someone wants to buy/sell an item

coral ibex
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complaining about needing gold in wow is just telling on yourself for not having a job tbh

grim jay
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we are wildin today

coral ibex
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buy a token bro

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best gph is irl work

spice spire
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oh I missed that bit

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ngl

kindred hinge
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The thing is blizz system does not invite farming. The best gold/hour is just working your normal job and buy token anyway

spice spire
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yeah I agree

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real myast

kindred hinge
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But generating gold is fun. So w/e

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Not hard to do a gold cap per extend

grim jay
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I know for a fact there are many in my country

novel star
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don’t need a job just sell boosts VIBE

spice spire
kindred hinge
spice spire
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us too populated

spice spire
worldly sail
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just make a gold cap in the first weeks of an expansion and don't worry about it for 2 years 2ez

novel star
spice spire
grim jay
kindred hinge
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Boost are ridiculous yeah, get invited in a community get the alt you need to farm 8s with get 60k farming crest.

spice spire
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is horrifying

novel star
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i don’t even bother with m+ boosting

waxen oyster
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Lowest effort gold i got this expac was selling the recipe for binding of binding for 800k

novel star
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i just do raids

kindred hinge
novel star
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more fun and roster spot is less competitive and it’s still enough gold to play the game for free

waxen oyster
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M+ boosting on NA is aids

kindred hinge
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So while the absolute value is low quality of life is often better

waxen oyster
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get stuck with south american players who borderline play like boostees

grim jay
kindred hinge
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Yeah fuck blizz

grim jay
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same for switzerland

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switzerland is like printing €

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but its expensive af over there

kindred hinge
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If you live on the border

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It's gucci

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You can have french healthcare with swiss salary. Insane value

waxen oyster
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Yeah but then you’re near the french

kindred hinge
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But Switzerland is a place where you slowly die

waxen oyster
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so tradeoff

kindred hinge
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Inside*

waxen oyster
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Aren’t the worst rates for that shit like

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iceland

grim jay
# spice spire is horrifying

alright I did the math, net 20/h would be net 3.2k a month under normal circumstances, which would be roughly 5.2k before taxes, so 62,4k a year, which is basically upper middleclass kekdog

kindred hinge
grim jay
#

net 3.2k a month is also roughly 800 higher than the average

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net 3.7k is top 10%

kindred hinge
#

Worked in the US for decent 6 figures. I am happier with my 3k5 net in Sweden

PTO is king, and US is so expensive that you are bleeding money all the time compared to europe

grim jay
#

yeah the difference in actual numbers is still always interesting

misty bough
#

nice

grim jay
#

speaking of interesting, imagine you took a day off yesterday so you are at home for the delivery of your refrigerator, then at 9am they tell you they wont make it, just so the delivery gets delayed to today 10am-2pm. I'm still waiting for it, its 9pm now and I couldnt get anything done all day

grim jay
gusty mirage
manic coral
#

is forced induction alot better then lethality generally speaking?

novel star
#

in raid yes i believe so

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in m+ i think its a little more complicated? but i would just always play induction anyway because it makes me happy

grim jay
grim jay
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in ST

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compared to 1 leth instead of FI

royal lantern
grim jay
royal lantern
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10k is withing margin

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1k i like

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idk, 0,08%? kekman

swift whale
#

Does anyone know if there's a chance of Elusiveness being bugged?
I'm running the best comp EUW (no prot pally, no disc priest, no aug) and im almost dead to every spit on last boss SOB+15
I have logs with feint up and still taking 6mil dmg, while Not-Even-Close says I should live with 20% hp

royal lantern
#

yes, its very cool

junior yoke
#

!up

prisma monolithBOT
royal lantern
#

but ye, that boss is a rogue death sentence anyway

#

rogue is too squishy for high lvl m+ in 2024 without externals kekw

grim jay
short night
#

on huge pulls where you are rupture + garroting 10+ mobs for all of IC, when do you mutilate to get up caustic? i imagine its bad to spend all of IC without spatter upr ight?

#

usually im just spam garrote into rupture for a while

grim jay
short night
#

okay well what do i do instead

grim jay
#

you rupture 5 targets

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not more

short night
#

... oh

royal lantern
#

bleeds dont do dmg

short night
#

same wiht garrote? 5 total?

royal lantern
#

only crimson tempest doess

grim jay
#

garrote is fine

#

getting the IW going everywhere n stuff

short night
#

sure but should i use garrote instead of multilate until its on all targets?

royal lantern
#

no

grim jay
#

I usually do my opener, get 5 ruptures running asap and then go into cds

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if I feel like I need some more IWs on other targets, I do that afterwards

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same if I have no CDs, but I go into envenoms, while keeping an eye on potential IW targets

brazen sluice
#

if running x2 vanish , we sync 1 with DM , and the other one when to use it?

short night
#

use every kb

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if you have 2

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itll line up

royal lantern
#

what

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no

brazen sluice
#

u mean 1 with DM and 1 with kb? or use just with kb when any1 of em is availble?

royal lantern
#

the fuck

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why would you do that

spice spire
#

They don’t have separate cd regen

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You’re waiting 2m then 2 more m

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Regardless

royal lantern
#

and why would you do it anyway, solo KB is not big dmg anyway

#

the 2nd vanish should be used how you see it fitting

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avoid mechanic/help with dotting/silence

short night
#

in raid you would dalways spend it on your kbs, no?

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idk

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thought thats waht the guide said

royal lantern
#

you send it with deathmark

brazen sluice
#

aha , wanted to know the use of 2nd vanish since my sim is taking x2 vanish over 1 vanish 1 lethality

royal lantern
#

deathmark and KB overlap

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KB itsself is weak

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KB+deathmark is strong

royal lantern
brazen sluice
royal lantern
#

why would you spam garrote

brazen sluice
#

i mean like x2 garrots

flint star
#

Praying they revert tea change

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Who asked for this?

short night
spice spire
#

Just don’t go below 30 if it’s a big deal

short night
#

whenever i test this, spikes is NOT back up from the opener for the second rupture after vnaish. what am i missing?

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royal lantern
#

sorry quake, but thats not true

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i know what you mean with that

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but those people asked for tea to be removed fully

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not the weird change we got that makes everyone unhappy

spice spire
# royal lantern yeha, no

You remove yourself from assa-Chan/rh and a lot of people just wouldn’t play rogue due to button bloat. Had many requesting reduction. This is a system that allows both. YOU have control over it

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Whether you can or can’t is on no one but the player

royal lantern
flint star
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If only there was an option to disable it

royal lantern
#

but the change made nobody happy quake

flint star
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Then I'd agree

royal lantern
#

i know that its actually no big deal

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i know that it doesnt matter

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but all it did was making everyone belive that they need to giga minmax energy now or tea gets "wasted"

#

the tea "solution" they made there is honestly kinda horrible

spice spire
#

That’s still on the player tho

flint star
#

It's 13% more damage in the KB window

#

Kinda big deal in m+, no?

royal lantern
#

like, i didnt saw anyone saying " yeha they helped with rogue button bloat with the tea passive activation"

its "omg now my tea gets wasted all the time"

royal lantern
royal lantern
flint star
#

Ok, not 13

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But still

royal lantern
#

100% minmaxed tea usage and "fuck it we ball just spam ability and let it get auto consumed" is 0,2% difference

#

it doesnt matter

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its really just a annoying thing

slate crown
# spice spire You remove yourself from assa-Chan/rh and a lot of people just wouldn’t play rog...

sorry drive by commenting before I go afk again but I've stated this before, I feel like lots of people "feel" like rogue is bloated on buttons, and it doesn't have to do with the number of buttons. That is to say, the button bloat isn't the actual problem directly, the problem is the impression players walk away with. Meaning the solution is not to necessarily reduce buttons, you can resolve a concern about "button bloat" by redesigning how they play together.

#

anyways afk

spice spire
#

Not talking about the shiv macro that’s goodge

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But I’ve had so many dm macros found in review

#

Like yeah

#

You waste 140ish energy on a 5m fight

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But the bonus offsets

royal lantern
#

quake, again, its just that the solution they did with the ability kinda backfired for more or less everyone, i didnt saw a single positive thing really about it

i know that its blizzard addresing the "rogue button bloat" (and like Lis said, thats a different beast anyway) and itss the same reason why they made ER a forgetable passive talent

But the thing is that they didnt really solve anything with it, cus the ability went from "i have an additonal button" to "i have a additonal button that is using itself up when i play the game and not looking at my energy all the time"

again, i know that it doesnt matter and that its probably usefull for the crowd that complains about it aswell, but the change made the perception of tea and playing around it even worse

spice spire
#

And like I get that but that is offset by like half an ounce of understanding of the damage profile

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Like

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13% was the number mentioned above

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It’s 0.2

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Mfs can play 0.2% better 99% of the time by just having better movement

royal lantern
#

like, if i see the "casual no clue about the class" crowd talking about tea, its legit always "i now have to look at my energy all the time or i lose a charge and do no dmg!!!!"

yes ofc its BS cus it doesnt really matter, but thats the people the change was made for, and they dont like it aswell

spice spire
#

Instead we’re gonna focus on what amounts to a passive?

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I’ve had mixed responses

#

Is it ideal? No

#

But the amount of discussion on 0.2%

grim vigil
#

what weapon do i use in main hand, 4.6k -6.5k dmg or 3.5- 7.3k ?

spice spire
#

Makes me want to commit murder sometimes kekdog

spice spire
grim vigil
#

what if they both same ilvl

spice spire
#

If they’re the same just sim it

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And it’ll tell you that 0.1

royal lantern
#

you mean the dmg range on the weapon itself?

#

thats basically a RP stat lol

slate crown
#

Hasn't all that been normalized?

royal lantern
#

has no impact on the game itself

slate crown
#

Like weapon item damage range == weapon dps == weapon ilvl

#

because speed is all the same

spice spire
#

Yes

slate crown
#

I thought

spice spire
#

Should be

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But you know the blizz classic

#

Tooltips

royal lantern
#

but like

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they give the same weapon dps lol

#

legit RP stat

slate crown
#

wacky

spice spire
#

Okay I’m going back to my sets. Be nicer than I was SmileDog

royal lantern
gusty mirage
royal lantern
grim vigil
#

ok thx i just remembered some info about using the wep with higher lower end

slate crown
#

I don't think the numbers on ewapons

limber lion
#

This is retail

slate crown
#

have been relevant

limber lion
#

Not classic

slate crown
#

in over a decade and a half

limber lion
#

Weapon type matters, but that's about it

violet berry
#

Am I trolling by using vets flasks in high keys

#

Vers

normal mist
#

Trolling? nah

#

atleast you're using something

violet berry
#

Idk how necessary it is I’m just tryna not die

#

Or is it better to just go with damage

normal mist
#

Versa is dmg

#

so is every other stat

violet berry
#

Ya probably signifigantly more with alchemical though

lean plover
#

Arent all flask simming about the same?

violet berry
#

Are they really?

lean plover
#

You would have to sim yourself

#

But at least for me its within 0.7% or so

violet berry
#

Wow that’s actually crazy

#

Ya I’ll sim it

gloomy hinge
#

If im playing with a shaman augmentation in ara-kara, how much of the damage on adds is my responsibility?

blazing pumice
#

it's not really a responsibility

#

if it is being tanked right, you'll be able to ct the adds and boss, throw out a few ruptures for funnel

tame lintel
#

can you use rupture while subterfuge is active? I'm a new player so I don't really understand how im suppose to spread bleeds if rupture isn't active

cobalt sphinx
#

yes but subterfuge can replace your ability bar iwth your stealth bar

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so you just need to put rupture on your stealth bar

tame lintel
#

ahhh thank you, I've been trying to figure out for the past hour

indigo cradle
#

if I have a target with Deathstalker's mark should I focus dpsing it to consume the mark?

#

trying to understand why some plate profiles gives emphasis to Deathstalker's mark

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coral ibex
#

yes

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you should read the relevant talents to find out why

indigo cradle
#

but look in the sample above. one dummy with mark of death, other with Deathstalker's mark and another with spatter.

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which one do I prioritize?

west crown
#

All should be on the same target

coral ibex
#

thats just an example to show how the plater profile works

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its not a gameplay guide

cobalt sphinx
#

spatter, deathmark, and deathstalker's mark will all always be on the same target

indigo cradle
#

yeah, well done opener would make all them together but the main point that I wana know is if u have a Deathstalker's mark stay on it right?

balmy condor
#

Yes

cerulean nest
#

the only non-minor upgrade left for me in the game is H -> M ansurek ring

#

time to main classic

indigo cradle
#

I heard about a WA that shows the target with more HP on a pack to support on mark of death application. do you know that or have a link for something like that?

icy nacelle
#

problem here is, everyone is funneling the highest hp mob, just take the second highest kekdog

blazing pumice
#

a good plater profile will show you mob hp

icy nacelle
#

does spatter got pandemic? or does it not matter and i can just put it on my main target?

blazing pumice
#

it only affects 1 target

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and no, don't think so

sullen idol
#

rread all the guides

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they suggest using vanish in order to accomodate timings for your kingsbane windows etc

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but then doesnt master assassin change this somehow?

#

i mostly m+, butbidk if thats relevant

balmy condor
#

On bosses you vanish for master assassin during kingsbane, in aoe you vanish for bleed spreading

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Overall vanish is held for chain pulls or really big aoe/needed iron wires

short night
sullen idol
#

i thought so

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so for the most part in m+ its to help with reapplication of shrouded garrotes, and in the case of a chain pull

#

you actyally can do smth instead of dealing negative damage

#

?

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@balmy condor

blazing pumice
#

the impact of chain pulling honestly isn't that bad

sullen idol
#

with vanish yeah

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without

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it feels bad sometimes

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like those nw pulls

balmy condor
balmy condor
blazing pumice
#

you need to get it out of your head that bleeds do big dmg in aoe

sullen idol
#

im not thinking about dmg

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i was thinking about the garrote silences

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that you cant apply without stesalth

blazing pumice
#

that's the tanks problem then

sullen idol
#

like i said, those NW pulls

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it doesnt need to get sweaty if you can just garrote silence twice

#

before even 1 kick is neede

novel star
#

are you doing it on dummies without flying away to reset sbs on them

west crown
#

fok and reapply manually

short night
novel star
#

oh wait thats the 2nd part of the opener

#

then yeah just fan i guess idk

blazing pumice
#

groups survive nw without a rogue

west crown
#

where if you are opening with cds you dont have to reapply bleeds like that anyway if you do it properly

#

im guessing Whispyr just put that there in the graphic to show to reapply bleeds if you need to. Not that its a set thing to always do

waxen oyster
#

NW is fun im casually 50% damage on the relevant mobs

#

meanwhile ret has to scroll down most hit targets

balmy condor
#

It’s just to show conceptually what you would want to do

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If you need to rupture rupture

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If you don’t, don’t

slate crown
#

whispyr

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my cat is on my lap

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and I'm out of range of my headphones and I can't get up

#

how do I get myself through this dilema

dense badger
#

use tricks of the trade on tank to lose cat aggro

molten coyote
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
waxen oyster
balmy condor
slate crown
#

🫡 ayeaye capn

silver hemlock
#

Hi guys, im new at Assassination, im curious about how King's Bane Works

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Am i supposed to use it in stealth or out of stealth?

novel star
#

not related to stealth at all

#

you use it during deathmark

#

!guide

prisma monolithBOT
waxen oyster
#

its just a ramping dot

#

more poisons you apply during

#

stronger it gets

heavy nebula
#

Is lethality still serving a purpose

coarse summit
#

yes

heavy nebula
#

And is forced induction worth it

waxen oyster
#

It gives damage

novel star
#

you can play lethality if you want

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or forced induction

#

both are fine

heavy nebula
#

What would you do? You are my leaders

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My most trusted people

novel star
#

i play forced induction because i like it better

waxen oyster
#

i use whatever simc says

novel star
#

but it doesnt matter

#

they sim the same ish

balmy condor
#

I think in raids typically forced gonna be stronger

novel star
#

in m+ i play neither xdd

heavy nebula
#

The gods have spoken.

waxen oyster
#

forced induction waa 7k more for me

balmy condor
#

Like if you’re doing caustic stuff, you’re gonna be kingsbane/cds around caustic

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Like Ovi’nax

heavy nebula
#

They have told me to reroll to ret pally

balmy condor
#

And for that generally you’d probably want more forced induction

waxen oyster
#

eww

balmy condor
#

But idk

#

Feelcraftin

heavy nebula
#

Jk

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Thanks tho fam 🙂

waxen oyster
#

play enhance if you want big dam

coarse summit
heavy nebula
#

Just wanted to be a difficult child in the family

waxen oyster
#

enhance is mildly fun tbh

#

fast gameplay

heavy nebula
#

Mild

#

Are you a mild salsa kind of person?

waxen oyster
#

No

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Also its not braindead easy like fury

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or ret

heavy nebula
#

Yeah that’s problem, i feel like these rogues.. they require me to pay attention. It’s very difficult to TikTok during a 10 GB.

waxen oyster
#

Idk i can autopilot

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on 10s

limber lion
#

Same

heavy nebula
#

I would Autopilot into a bricked key

#

But could technically autopilot

waxen oyster
#

10s are meh

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cant get a full kb off

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in non nw keys

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half the time

sullen phoenix
#

guys when should i drop sudden demise in what key +? above 10? or more?

heavy nebula
#

That’s actually true.. KB window is usually wasted

waxen oyster
balmy condor
#

you can play SD in 25's and it's totally fine

sullen phoenix
#

ah cool then.. 😄 and without a trace i am bit confused when to use 2nd charge of vanish? should it be use on cd or when chain pull?

waxen oyster
#

situational

sullen phoenix
balmy condor
#

gives you less control of your vanishes but slightly more damage on paper

sullen phoenix
#

thx !

#

one more question then i run away 😄 is it worth taking twist the knife over sudden demise for 13s maybe 14s? for more boss dmg maybe or its not big deal

balmy condor
#

it's a bit more boss damage, that's the preference part

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it doesn't really make much of a difference

#

but people feel better making a decision

#

placebo is a powerful drug

waxen oyster
#

its such a small diff

sullen phoenix
#

idd.. ty a lot, hope my adhd brain manage somehow to make a choice..

waxen oyster
#

realistically you should have better st classes

#

in a rogue comp

sullen phoenix
#

☹️

#

mostly pug

waxen oyster
#

Yeah I would never pug past 10/11

#

for vault

#

I love doing nw and the ret is pressing divine storm on mobs that just instant die when the necromancer does.

upper wraith
#

anyone else 630+ under 10% haste

balmy condor
#

most people I would assume

waxen oyster
coral ibex
#

nothing

waxen oyster
#

Game tells me to never go for haste with sikran neck

coral ibex
#

!stats

prisma monolithBOT
#

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
  • Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
coral ibex
#

!design

prisma monolithBOT
#

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

  • No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
  • 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
  • You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target
golden crane
#

Hey guys, can someone explain why we shiv in the last half of kingsbane?

spice surge
#

Because kingsbane does more damage per poison application you do during it

limber creek
#

shiv make kingsbane go big bada boom

spice surge
#

So the last half of it does more damage than the first half

golden crane
#

Awesome, cheers for that @spice surge

loud dome
#

i want KB to have it's own built-in sudden demise

shy creek
#

Clear the witness

snow kindle
#

cleaer the witness in deathstalker talent tree

dense talon
#

can some classes remove fear like on first boss of mists? sometimes i get feared everytime and sometimes i get dispelled within a sec? what is the mechanic and which classes do it?

snow kindle
#

tremor shamans

desert crest
#

Wait can cloak prevent fall dmg?

#

or am i tripping

coral ibex
#

you can get a cloak slot enchant that reduces fall damage

balmy condor
#

tripping

coral ibex
#

iirc

desert crest
worldly sail
coral ibex
#

i mean

balmy condor
#

weirdge

coral ibex
#

first second of cloak is true immune

balmy condor
#

yeah from magic damage though

#

fall damage isn't magic

desert crest
#

i also pressed evaison

#

can try with only cloak

balmy condor
#

well evasion DEFINITELY shouldn't do anything

limber lion
#

Dodging the ground

balmy condor
#

that would imply you could dodge fall damage

limber lion
#

🕺

balmy condor
#

which is just

#

actually not how anything works

desert crest
#

done in total like 7 times now

#

game is cooked

balmy condor
#

yeh I guess the first second of cloak is banger

coral ibex
desert crest
coral ibex
#

makes you wonder what else you can just laugh at with cloak

oak tangle
#

Bursting… oh wait

#

I had a /say macro in my cloak ‘can’t stop, won’t stop’ for bursting weeks

waxen oyster
slate crown
spice spire
jaunty warren
slate crown
spice spire
#

Was?

slate crown
spice spire
#

You mean is

#

And ye howdy neighbor

balmy condor
spice surge
spice spire
#

Nice edit

spice surge
#

Forgot its got the ' and no G frfr

wheat tiger
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
wheat tiger
#

Is there a weak aura that will show a circle around my character that will allow me to see what mobsa are in FOK radius?

tardy terrace
#

dude why can bosses parry my kingsbane

#

im gonna FREAK

wheat tiger
#

its really sad

humble verge
green pulsar
#

Can anyone explain why we are not running Lethality now? Been asked why im still in the 1 point in Lethality build verses the double vanish and im shocked i didnt know

coral ibex
#

because forced induction sims for higher damage

balmy condor
#

lethality got fixed a while back and now it's not the clear winner

#

not clearly worse either

coral ibex
#

oh double vanish

#

so m+

balmy condor
#

without a trace is a choice you can use

#

gives more control

coral ibex
#

yea its bc subterfuge got buffed so the 1 point for WAT is less of a loss vs lethality

balmy condor
#

1 point of leth is just kinda whatever

coral ibex
#

more master assassin and improved garrote uptime is good

humble verge
#

double vanish gives the chance for the tank to chainpull

#

:3

green pulsar
#

Its still a choice of what you prefer for Master assassin vs wire, and Twist the Knife vs Sudden Demise?

balmy condor
#

twist the knife vs demise yes, wire less so unless you're a psychopath

#

which most m+ players are

#

so like yolo I guess

#

some people drop wire for sanguine/twist/demise

novel star
#

getting parried is part of the melee fantasy

#

also wait i just realized

#

the streak continues

#

of opening ravenholdt to an iron wire message

#

how does this keep happening

rotund oak
novel star
#

every time

rotund oak
#

so true and based and real

unreal parcel
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
wet plover
blissful pecan
#

wtf is this rotation

balmy condor
#

multidotting but yeh china is crazy

#

basically the charge is +100% damage

#

but if you can using vanish to dot 2 things, that's technically also +100% cause 2 targets

#

and so then you cd on the webs

#

the charge

#

cause increased damage

#

so sure I guess

#

but yeah idk

#

china always a lil strange with it

blissful pecan
#

also the reason why ppl use kb first on charge is to max kb dmg during the +100% right?

#

cuz deathmark timer wont cover all

balmy condor
#

well it doesn't snapshot

#

so it doesn't matter

#

it's just increase for that time

winged widget
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I think it matters because if you try to use it as the boss charges and gets webbed, the last ticks of KB won't be inside the dmg amp window. I think it lasts 10-12 seconds only?
So there might be some min max to use KB as the boss burrows out and get those last stronger ticks during the amp (even though you will take longer to ramp it up since you won't be hitting the boss until he charges and get webbed)
People can certainly try and see if it does anything. Pretty sure it's negligible.

blissful pecan
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nah i just instantly found out why

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if you deathmark - kb

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you wont get kb right away by 1 seconds on second charge

balmy condor
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during DM with ttk in a raid build that shit hits 50 in like 4-5 seconds

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like yeah if we're in 10.2 PoV and it caps at 99 and not 50, and we don't have ttk

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then you might reach 99 at the last second

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and it's a giga tick

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but kingsbanes ramp is effectively finished by the time tick 3 happens

indigo cradle
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Wait, can we cast kingsbane before deathmark?

balmy condor
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in this specific situation you could I guess

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but normally it's definitely not recommended

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questionable if it's even better in this case tbh

blissful pecan
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ive tried the normal rotation (deathmark - shiv(Tea) - kingsbane) right on first charge

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the problem is, on seconde charge you still have about ~2 secs left on cd

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but if you kb - deathmark - shiv - ... - shiv, you get kingsbane cd back exactly on second charge

coral ibex
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yea ive seen that from other rogues

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looks like a good idea

balmy condor
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I don't think it's particularly important

winged widget
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those 1-2 seconds left during the 2nd charge do bother me a bit

blissful pecan
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i mean its slight details

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but helps on dmg i guess

winged widget
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but i'm kinda so annoyed by this fight already that I just want it to be over. dont have the energy to fully min max it at all

balmy condor
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yeah helps on dmg on the dmg stop boss

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if we really wanna be doing damage we'd be slamming cds on pull and then slamming shields

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cause regular methods lose a cast

blissful pecan
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we are doing dispel on court

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its so cancer

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💀

winged widget
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isn't the fight time based?

rotund oak
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everything is time based

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in a relative way

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Einstein says hi

winged widget
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sure

balmy condor
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yes fight is time based

winged widget
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what I mean is what doing a bit more dmg on P1 has to do with the dmg stop on intermission that is based on CD timers?

balmy condor
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and most guilds hold dps on shields in i1

spice surge
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So if you kill the intermission shields too fast, youll get different timings

winged widget
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exactly

blissful pecan
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i feel like notthing is that hard specficly from the boss

winged widget
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but the dmg before the intermission isn't some "wasted dmg" scenario like it was with Fyrakk