assassination

[clever sapphire]

and i needed it for like 2 pulls

[humble verge]

great for the last room

honestly

i feel like maybe

DB

[cobalt sphinx]

the first pull will wipe you on a 6 if nobody's interrupting

but nothing else casts

[humble verge]

if you dont pick the worst route

you can remove IW

[novel star]

why are we still here

just to suffer?

[clever sapphire]

removing iw is not something you wanna type whilst whispyr is awake

[humble verge]

ok and

likdisbanan

[novel star]

i can feel my leg…

my arm

even my fingers

[clever sapphire]

btw a week ago one of our raiders straight up said season is over

(we didnt even kill princess yet)

[novel star]

the silence i’ve lost the keys i’ve depleted

[stray adder]

probably a PoE player

[cobalt sphinx]

this game dies on december 6

[stray adder]

fr

[cobalt sphinx]

jonathan will deliver us

[novel star]

what does this mean

like CE chance is over? probably

[stray adder]

I have a parasocial relationship with Jonathan

[clever sapphire]

that never existed in this guild

[novel star]

whats over then

[clever sapphire]

how should i know

the collective iq of some raiders in the guild is probably not hitting double digits

after we asked how and why its over he said "its almost over"

[stray adder]

that's like every mythic guild

[clever sapphire]

i guess he is bored of the season

so for him its over

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah "over" is when people don't want to raid anymore and want to play other games

[stray adder]

you won't catch me raiding when PoE 2 is out

[clever sapphire]

i thought about buying poe 2 alpha

[stray adder]

of course

[clever sapphire]

but eh im gonna have a busy december anyways

[stray adder]

it's gonna last months

and it's a bigger game than D4

for 30$

[clever sapphire]

stop promising me a good time

[stray adder]

much bigger i would say

I won't leave this chat until you buy a key

[clever sapphire]

im gonna consider it for a while because poe 1 i also didnt play much, partly because i first started like a week before tww release

and another part because i got overwhelmed

by all the things

[stray adder]

yeah but poe 2 is the perfect time to jump in

[clever sapphire]

yap thats why im considering it a lot

[stray adder]

I've spent an astronomical amount of money on PoE 1 since beta so they gave me a key

[clever sapphire]

when does the alpha release?

[stray adder]

the EA is next friday

december 6

[clever sapphire]

now the name makes sense

[stray adder]

lol yea

[gloomy hinge]

whats y'alls highest overalls done?

[clever sapphire]

eh i dont remember my overalls, like at all

i forget about it like 5 minutes after i do a key

[cobalt sphinx]

2.54 no aug, 2.74 aug i think

[clever sapphire]

i hate aug

i had to get this out of my system

[novel star]

based

[stray adder]

don't we all

[gloomy hinge]

is the way pop cds on cooldown

or what

cuz thats big

mine is like 2m no aug

[west crown]

The key is use cooldowns properly, and have adds actually live

[glad osprey]

What happens December 6

[cobalt sphinx]

poe 2 closed beta or whatever it's called

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah depends on dungeon, just rupture and tempest and spatter lol

numbers will be higher in the aoe dungeons like stonervault and wake

[glad osprey]

looks boring and not rlly up my alley and I’m sure there are many like me so I doubt it

not a big fan of top down view games

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah it was a joke, the game is probably incomplete and it's only huge for the arpg enjoyers

[glad osprey]

Yeah

I thought there would be something good I am disappointed LOL

[cobalt sphinx]

poe2 will probably be really fucking good if you like that genre

[tawny geyser]

There's no Rogue Class 😦

Just the bow and crossbow

[lethal heart]

is there some weakaura/script/way of making nameplate color different in plater if the target has certain buff/debuff?

[silk parcel]

hey guys i'm crafting my 636 item. i already have my MH crafted. should i get the offhand or something else?

[pure bridge]

Plater is your best bet. There's links to the mods plater floating around too. Take what you like delete the rest.

[acoustic roost]

well if you crafted the MH with embellish, probaly get bracers/belt with the nerubian patch embellish

also, the better answer in the future is to sim 🙂

[mellow goblet]

Im using Luxthos pack or smth like that and it has it, changes color when poisoned, and ready to spatter, really helpful

[honest pelican]

the week i get a myth sacbrood, 2 drop in one run with no one needing.

[gloomy hinge]

is buying mythic belt worth?

[gloomy hinge]

yeah but non myth sacbrood poopoo

[west crown]

Yes there is

[hasty gate]

its not bad depends if use wrist or belt as crafted

[gloomy hinge]

chest and weapon 🫡

[hasty gate]

chest interesting

[gloomy hinge]

Had hero track chest with none of the stats i wanted but a hero track belt with bis stats and avoidance

so chest craft it was

[hasty gate]

no cata charges

though lots people using that haste mast chest

[wooden aurora]

How brutal is the stat prio trying to play assa with mostly vers/crit gear? Assuming pretty bad but havent simmed it? Only have a set of gear for outlaw

[spice surge]

Not very impactful

Probably significantly less bad than you think

[hasty spade]

!UP

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[worldly dock]

Guys wich dagger should i craft?

[drowsy lotus]

Do any of the TW trinkets sim well?

[arctic hare]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

wrathstone is good

[worldly dock]

Siphining Stiletto not a good craft right? i remember i've see this somewhere

[balmy condor]

yes, its utter dogshit

[worldly dock]

what can i get rid of to play with IRON WIRE

[gloomy heart]

Is there a wa for the 2nd boss in mists

[silver hill]

Quick question, does death mark and shiv increase the damage of existing bleeds or do I need to snapshot new bleeds when I use them?

[dapper cradle]

can we drop iron wire in CoT?

[hasty spade]

Sang , MA or Sudden, i think most ppl drop Sang cuz Sudden and MA are good overall for bosses aswell.

[cobalt sphinx]

it works on existing dots yeah

[silver hill]

tyty

[west crown]

Vers is terrible for sin. If you have all vers gear it’s probably -200k

[normal mist]

the "terrible" part

isnt really like that

[fallow canopy]

I wouldn't say terrible

not ideal but we like all stats

[sonic raven]

sanguine

[blazing pumice]

demise and sbs can also potentially go

[gilded wolf]

What is the toughest part of the assassination rotation/gameplay loop? Most common mistakes made by new rogues?

[blazing pumice]

waste time between gcds

not keeping spatter up

it depends if you are talking about raid or m+

the raid rotation is kind of braindead

[shut aspen]

not using feint

[soft shale]

forgetting you can get your kb parried

etch that one on your forearm

you will need it

[nimble vector]

Spamming too much when you’re low energy / about to be low energy probably feels the worst

[nimble vector]

🙂

[soft shale]

take that as a warning

[nimble vector]

Love getting parried by bosses I can’t stand behind

[runic hinge]

Parry is thematic

[weary spear]

does feint DR stack with evasion bait and switch/elusiveness

or does anyone have good info on how they work. like does bait and switch / elusiveness make evasion 40% DR ?

or it cant be additive?

[summer viper]

hey boiiiz, did you recognize a delay on your skardyns aswell later on? i literally use the same makro like since season start but the last 2-3 days my skardyns isnt lining up with my deathmark anymore, skardyns is basically 10 sec delayed to the mark

[runic hinge]

It’s the affix

[summer viper]

ffs

ty

[spice surge]

Its multiplicative

But yes it stacks

[weary spear]

oops thats what i mean

ty

[rotund oak]

Did a GB 11 on my mage,the rogue got skadryn's,he was floor pov on the meters

[honest pelican]

haha

[rotund oak]

this game would be so much better with a bad rng vendor

why blizzard cant see this,idk

[stray adder]

fr

[rotund oak]

gate the stupid endgame loots even on a vendor but put them there

[keen spruce]

literally just put all of hthe trinkets on a vendor

and that would solve like 99% of gear complaints

[blazing pumice]

does numbing affect channeled boss spells

eg last boss of dawn

[keen spruce]

I don't think numbing applies to bosses

iirc

[runic hinge]

I have perma numbing on my brain

[ebon notch]

Warlock debuff does no?

Isn’t that the same as numbing?

[keen spruce]

[spice surge]

The melee attack speed does not stack

The casting slow does stack

(but the cast speed slow generally only works on adds n stuff in raid)

[steel ridge]

Ir usually does

iirc it didnt work on jailer

[keen spruce]

well it definitely doesn't work on raid bosses

but i'm not 100% about dungeon bosses

[balmy condor]

The attack speed works on raid bosses

Cause it was like kinda important to curse of tongues/numbing poison sludgefist in nathria

His autos were actually ripping tanks to shreds

[dreamy fable]

\

[dull matrix]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[sullen monolith]

Good morning guys!
Wondering if anyone has a data how much worse to use bubbling wax and oil compared to 2x oil applications on wep?

[fallen arch]

Do ya’ll play crippling in keys?

I got slammed for doing that earlier this week

[fallen arch]

I think it’s negligible

[cobalt sphinx]

it can be annoying depending on the pulls

you can ask your tank to share the route if you think it's gonna troll you

[sullen monolith]

most of the time its nice to have crippling yes, so tank can kite if needed. But in some cases, where the tank has to gather up mobs from far, its better to drop. For example in Mist after the 2nd boss, while tank gathering up trash from both side of the platforms, you can start prepping up mobs with tricks, so there i usually drop crippling, so the gather time is much less

[cobalt sphinx]

it's very quick to click off and reapply too

[fallen arch]

Ye I always just autopilot apply and dont think about it

But makes sense

[cobalt sphinx]

i usually use it unless i know there are some far double pulls

the one right after EDNA can be trolled by crippling

and it's pretty annoying when grouping adds on amarth

there are a few doubles in stonevault where it would be annoying

[sullen monolith]

you can also wait applying your dots to everything gathered up, so its not annoying for the tank

and you dont really loose a lot of dps anyway

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah but often times you still want to be able to silence them so they move

[sullen monolith]

yeah, but right after first boss, you anyway wait in the midddle to gather up, so its not a big deal there

[sullen monolith]

usually range kick should handle it

so you dont mess up your focus target

[cobalt sphinx]

attendant before avanoxx needs more than one kick i think

[sullen monolith]

i don tknow the bosses by names lol 😄

[sullen monolith]

aaah, the 1st boss in Arakk?

well, those smallies with poison appliocations are none interruptable

so there is really 1 mob there to kick as welll

[kindred hinge]

If your tank slam you for playing crippling he is just bad. Saying that as someone that play both

Or you play with trigger happy mate during set up and that is another issue that has nothing to do with cripp

You can always delay your fan during set up if it is bothering you but it's is negligible if your tank know what he is doing

[keen spruce]

You always play crippling

You don’t click off crippling

There may be a season or dungeon pool where the gather is heinous that you would. But I very very much doubt it

[rotund oak]

yup u cant have a 2nd non-damaging poison coz numbing/atrophic are a choice node

[keen spruce]

You only ever dropped it for sanguine

[rotund oak]

so crippling is by default

[kindred hinge]

Think it the other way most tank will apply some slow in packs as part of rotation and set up. One yelling at yours just ignorant

[rotund oak]

assuming u DTB

[keen spruce]

And it is a damage increase from VV

Is anyone not playing dtb?

[rotund oak]

u could play cleave

[keen spruce]

But also for those ara examples

Like okay you drop crippling and assume no other slows go on those crawlers?

so you’re all running for your lives as they explode

While also losing damage

[rotund oak]

yeah thats cringe

like who even thinks of crippling as a bad thing

[cobalt sphinx]

Drop crippling if you want

There are valid reasons

[keen spruce]

Or are you gonna stop mid pull to reapply it like a bozo?

[kindred hinge]

There is none

[keen spruce]

There are not

[cobalt sphinx]

There is down time

[rotund oak]

[kindred hinge]

Not since sanguine got removed

[rotund oak]

what the

[keen spruce]

There is no justifiable reason to ever drop it rn

[cobalt sphinx]

I don’t get how you people can feel so strongly about a utility choice like this

[keen spruce]

There are theoretical cases where you might in a different dungeon set

It’s a damage choice too

[cobalt sphinx]

If people don’t like it, they don’t like it

[kindred hinge]

Because it's not a choice. Having it is not penalizing in any way and not having it stunt dps

[keen spruce]

People don’t like playing correctly all the time

[rotund oak]

ild argue even with sang being athing its more of a tank thing to move them mobs outside than crippling being bad

[kindred hinge]

It's like saying I won't shiv because I don't want to

[keen spruce]

That doesn’t mean we’re going to recommend it

[cobalt sphinx]

I’ve had experiences where I would have rather not had crippling

[keen spruce]

I don’t mouse over or tab target my bleeds cuz I’m lazy and don’t want to

[rotund oak]

thats anecdotal though

[keen spruce]

But I’m not going to come in here and justify it as a correct or valid option

[rotund oak]

like what experiences

we might not have those and learn something

[kindred hinge]

You are not considering that those mob you have crippled will be slowed anyway passively by tanks and nearly half DPS spec.

A tank failing is not on you

Imagine a DK tank not dropping dnd because it slows

Or pal with consecration

[cobalt sphinx]

There are valid reasons to delay dnd

Grouping multiple packs of casters

[rotund oak]

ye thats about interrupting

[kindred hinge]

If these reason are trigger happy animals they are not valid because slow won't change the iddued

[rotund oak]

and if there are casters its a diff approach,u can los them

bottleneck them

[kindred hinge]

Grap/ range kick etc most caster don't chain

Only pack with gathering caster is cot and it doesn't matter

With caster on Narnia compared to each other

[cobalt sphinx]

What if you are pulling the whole hallway up to skarmorak

[kindred hinge]

You los

There is literally no issue there

[cobalt sphinx]

Have the entire party teleport to the boss room to los

No issue with void bound howlers or censoring gears

[kindred hinge]

And tell me why slow change the speed at which a party run the hallway,

Slow or not you have to deal with cast in movement crippling is a non issue here

[rotund oak]

the hardest place to los/bottleneck was arguably before/after goblin boss with the gold frontal spew thing

there was literally nowhere to los

only the smol house

in motherlode

[kindred hinge]

Like even the mist example earlier. Wtf? Tank pull left all the party move on right. Left come by themselves no chance to cripple/slow them. Irrelevant

[cobalt sphinx]

You are bullshitting so passionately

But you really are free to remove crippling if your party doesn’t want you to use it

[keen spruce]

You haven’t given a single compelling example of where you would take a damage loss to drop a valuable utility passive

[rotund oak]

only some ''cases'' we still havent read of

im rly curious

like what cases

[kindred hinge]

Nah mate party are idiot and the rogue that do that does not understand pulls and class abilities or just too naive to stand for himself

[keen spruce]

If my group doesn’t want me to use my abilities then I’m just finding another group because clearly that one can’t kick or control mobs

[rotund oak]

thats at least a more reasonable approach^^

[keen spruce]

These conversations never end in satisfaction I’m going to bed

Forever blue balled for a resolution

Anyone lurking and not typing, don’t take off crippling

[rotund oak]

is there room

[kindred hinge]

I have played tank in 14/15 this season, having someone telling me that crippling is annoying is baffling.

[rotund oak]

(joking)

[keen spruce]

Unless?

[cobalt sphinx]

Kush takes off crippling

[rotund oak]

kush plays without rotten as well

does that mean we all should?

[cobalt sphinx]

It means it is not such a ridiculous prospect

[rotund oak]

.....

thats just a fallacy==>plea to false experty

and you dont even explain why he doesnt use crippling

thats the worse part

[cobalt sphinx]

He said he doesn’t want the slow sometimes

[rotund oak]

because he plays on a premade which is another game

tactics apply diff

its a diff game

but still cripple on sub isnt a big deal

it has other stuff it can slow as well

this is

idk

[kindred hinge]

It is the IW debate again.Buth Kush don't play IW its bad. No Hedrop it because in his config his group does not need it. Does that meant that the average rogue playing pug should droop it ? Absolutely not.

Same shit every season people copycating top run without understanding that the level of key done and the coordination they are doing is in nowhere relatable with 99% of the player base and should therefore not apply. Will you do the same tactics as CR7 in your Sunday league game ? Not even close/

[cobalt sphinx]

It means dropping IW is a choice that people make at the highest level

There are many choices you can make

[kindred hinge]

So,me choice are stupid, stilla choice. Dropping IW in coordinated group is a valid choice, dropping it in pug outside mist is a moronic choice. I could chose to play without dagger tomorrow, it's my choice

[cobalt sphinx]

There are many great pluses and minuses to the choices we have before us

[kindred hinge]

Nah you are just doing false equivalency now. Crippling is a non issue for any even mediocre tank during gathering and should not be taken off. Advising the opposite is misleading the general palyer base reading here. You have yet to provide any "valid reason or situation" for this this extend

[cobalt sphinx]

I provided plenty of valid reasons

[kindred hinge]

None but w/e nothing else is goign to come out of this discussion.

[rotund oak]

No reasons at all my man,no offense or anything

[cobalt sphinx]

One arakara and two stonevault examples that a slow would be annoying, and a tank might have a harder time grouping multiple split caster mobs when pulling multiple packs.

[kindred hinge]

And the arakara example is a bad one, considering tank will slow the pack anyway, SV the justification you gave is that group has to move to los which is in nowhere relevant to crippling, Multiple pack of caster split to narnia happens in cot only and it's a non problem because you need slow to kite the tank debuff.

All those "valid" reasons are negated by iron wire / a range kick/ a grap or interrupt which show that crippling is not even remotely the issue in wype there but the capacity of your group to deal with stops.

So yeah still waiting for a valid reason where slowing a pack during gathering would fail your tank.

The only time I would consider removing crippling is during mdi pulls. And guess what ? They keep it.

Doesnt it feell strange for you that the groups that are doing the biggest gatherings in the game, still run crippling?

And we are not even considering group comp here and external factors.

[grim jay]

well actually...

yknow its not only utility right?

dont just discard the 1% dmg amp

also you might aswell just not fok and only mut for a few sec there if slowing something in an incredibly unimportant way bothers you that much

[shy axle]

if i play the arakara endboss and he starts casting his pull-mechanic, do you just dps until the last second and step another player? do i get pulled asap again when stepping another player or does it stop entirely then?

[kindred hinge]

You get pull again, so I may need two steps depending on timinig

[grim jay]

I just play the boss

unless I wanna cloak

[cobalt sphinx]

Yeah you can even generate combo points on the slimes during the downtime lmao

The timing is real tight for shadowstep

[kindred hinge]

I only steps when no cloak, and the root area are in narnia / would fuck over the tank. No reason to risk a bad timing when the timer is that large there

[grim jay]

its just not worh the risk to cheese like 1-2s extra ye

[brazen sluice]

whats the optimal evenom uptime percent?

[cobalt sphinx]

In what content

[brazen sluice]

m+

[broken moth]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[blissful pecan]

Ive suddenly got way more dmg compared to week before and noticed I had 2 times more ambush procs

is this just pure luck?

22 ambush procs last week and 40 this week

[subtle tundra]

rng is rng

[placid radish]

dropping iron wire is literally griefing

it's like not taking kick on your class tree

[royal lantern]

would not go that far cus there are situations where its reasonable

but like

99,9% of players should just take IW and thats it

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah you posted the princess log the other day right

i actually noticed you had low blindside procs

but it wasn't a whole lot lower than the sim, the log i compared it to had way above average

[gloomy hinge]

wtf ios up with spew disease in NW after second boss

I get oneshot

through feint

on a 12 at 633 ilvl

[cobalt sphinx]

do you use elusiveness

it should be 6.8m unmitigated, 5m with feint

evasion and cloak will also mitigate it

[subtle tundra]

you need to do evasion and feint to survive it

if you get targeted a third time, you need to vanish it

or get external + feint

and you need to be full hp

[patent elk]

Does the first boss of NW cast heaving retch again on somebody else if u vanish it?

[loud hearth]

From my experience, yes

Sometimes back on you

[gloomy hinge]

yes

[gloomy hinge]

evasion does not

it one shot me through feint in a 13

[balmy condor]

Evasion does

Cloak in the first second

!nw

[prisma monolith]

The breath/frontal from the first boss in Necrotic Wake is an attack, not a spell.

In order to immune the the breath, you must be in the first second of cloak of shadows (“a moment of magic immunity”). After the first second of cloak of shadows has elapsed, the attack will hit you and no longer be immuned.
Alternatively you can use evasion to dodge the breath.

[gloomy hinge]

very strange, it one shot me in my last 13 nw

just a bug?

[balmy condor]

Didn’t have evasion up/didn’t face it

Dodge is positional

[cobalt sphinx]

He’s talking about spew disease, not heaving retch

Heaving retch can be dodged

Spew disease you mitigate with elusiveness and bait and switch

[balmy condor]

Oh

Yeah

You’re just fucked for that one

[brisk forge]

Or cloak

[rain halo]

Can I use the Shadow Step skill to survive during a power struggle after Ansurrek's second podium?

[gloomy hinge]

yikes

[humble verge]

cloak once and if you get a second one

youre probably dead

man

i love spending like 15-20 minutes in a group where they will delist 10 times to find people

for us to just wipe on first pack in NW

@balmy condor do you know if the Winds from this guy can be negated by using Evasion

or do you have to run out?

[balmy condor]

Have to run out

[humble verge]

alright

tank wants to bop me anyways

so i guess its fine

[balmy condor]

💀

[humble verge]

the only thing im concerned about

[balmy condor]

It’s like a 2 second cast you cannot be fr bruh

Just step out for like half a second

[humble verge]

we're dk rogue with an aug

[balmy condor]

What are we doing

[humble verge]

idk

a 14

[balmy condor]

Lost the plot lowkey if we’re assigning a bop on an easily avoidable aoe idk

Like what

[grim jay]

m+ brain

gotta minmax the 1s downtime

[balmy condor]

My favorite is “assa on boss so bad”

And then they drop iron wire for sanguine blades, when sanguine blades is probably the worst thing they could take for boss damage

Fully cooked

“Need more single target” -> takes a talent with little to no single target

Incredible

[snow quest]

Take iw, make bigger pulls, make up the time lost in st easily

[balmy condor]

Nah that involves thinking

Mplusser brains not that far in the evolution stage

Only know how to copy build from murlok sorry

[snow quest]

Copy raid build from murlok

[balmy condor]

Kinda based

We had a guy who did that a couple weeks ago

Showed up out of the blue “m+ build doesn’t take carnage anymore?”

Everyone goes wtf are you smoking

Dude copied a raid build

[snow quest]

[balmy condor]

No one’s home, the lights aren’t even on

[novel star]

Genuinely the last 4 times ive opened this discord the first msg ive read has had iron wire in it

what the fuck is happening

[balmy condor]

Fotm m+ channel

[novel star]

christ

purgatory

[balmy condor]

You can tell because 90% of questions have “only play m+” in their preface

[novel star]

delete m+

[placid radish]

detective whispyr

[normal mist]

It go so boring i honestly lost interest interacting in the channel

[novel star]

its okay

next patch we get nerfed

and they leave

[balmy condor]

You don’t like spamming !design to the 15th person of the day complaining about assa on m+ boss? How strange

[novel star]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[normal mist]

Opens Assassination channel;
"Hey guys i only play M+ and stupid question";
Gets a reasonable answer from the folks here;
"But youtuber/streamer/pro player uses X and he doesn't do that thing you guys are talking about, he must know better!!";

• Repeat

[novel star]

thsi game fucking SUCKS!!!!!!!

i want to press buttons!

[humble verge]

yes

[novel star]

(sub and outlaw are right there)

(you losers dont even take the sin utility talent so who cares)

[balmy condor]

:worldofwarcraft:

[novel star]

[normal mist]

I swear to god. And then you HAVE TO DEFEND YOUR ANSWER like you're wrong

[balmy condor]

Correct

Welcome to my life for nearly a decade bud

[normal mist]

I know

I've seen it

Every time i light up a candle for you

So one you you'll have peace

[balmy condor]

They don’t have that many candles in Portugal

[normal mist]

ahahahahahah

My GF alone maintains the candle business working around here. No kobold stops her

[balmy condor]

Importing foreign candles

Gf candlemaker

Royal dating a kobold

[normal mist]

Hey it works

(and tbh having scented candles light up is really calming)

[balmy condor]

True

[novel star]

i would too.

[balmy condor]

Seek the warmth of gods light

[novel star]

seeking his warmth bro

[balmy condor]

I hate you

[humble verge]

man

fuck NW

fuck AUG

why do people invite augs to keys with rogue and dk

[velvet herald]

hey guys, i have been playing assa for 2-3 weeks and havent found a better offhand weapon, its 580 still. My main hand is crafted, should I craft my offhand as well?

[balmy condor]

Go for it

[velvet herald]

thank you!

[novel star]

people just invite augs to everything

le brainless meta copypaste without really understanding it

https://tenor.com/view/dog-gif-252020882354104518

[wind totem]

Anyone know if feint works on the spikes on EDNA? Specifically if you soak one on purpose.

[humble verge]

le brainless people dont understand that rogue and dk dont have enough ST on bosses

for it to be worth it with those 2 specs

[novel star]

[chilly shadow]

Has anyone else had cloak of shadows not work anymore to immune heaving retch from Blightbone?

two times in a row it has not worked

[novel star]

you have to use the first second of cloak

or evasion

its coded as an attack instead of a spell

or smth like that

!nw

[prisma monolith]

The breath/frontal from the first boss in Necrotic Wake is an attack, not a spell.

In order to immune the the breath, you must be in the first second of cloak of shadows (“a moment of magic immunity”). After the first second of cloak of shadows has elapsed, the attack will hit you and no longer be immuned.
Alternatively you can use evasion to dodge the breath.

[novel star]

yea

[chilly shadow]

damn, good to know

thanks!

[novel star]

been like this all season tho

not sure if it was the same in sl

[chilly shadow]

i guess my behaviour has changed lel

[normal mist]

Isn't AUG most of the times a DPS loss? Atleast up to 10's? Where survivability isn't really needed

[snow kindle]

yes

[half igloo]

I open this place after a hot minute and I see this

[novel star]

if you’re in a bad group (any pug basically) aug is a loss yea

[late tusk]

How are we suppose to be on the actual meta? Im 632.5 (guess i apppear as 633), 2k9 r.io and when it try to apply into Necro 12, Grim12, or smg like Mist 13 (already got Dawn-Ara 13) there is no a single chance to get accepted, However when i do my key, (now Necro12) people that apply got less ilvl or rio than me

[novel star]

in godcomp executed properly aug does good damage along with being required for survivability afaik

[late tusk]

WHat im missing

[novel star]

but yeh

people pugging shit and insta inviting augs are just stupid

[novel star]

[late tusk]

Im not acceptingany Aug since 1 monty ago, they are 99% times just bad

[novel star]

the solution is to just stop pushing in pugs tbh

[sleek spear]

hey guys, im 631 ilevel, should i be crafting off pieces now to 636? have cloak/neck/rings still at 626 ilevel

[novel star]

pug vault and push with guildies/friends

[sleek spear]

i have a weapon at 626 too

[late tusk]

got not guild/friends to do that

thats prob my first problem i know

[half igloo]

🕯️

[novel star]

you can craft random shit for ilvl if you want but it’s not ideal as the crest cost is quite inefficient

if you’re not mythic raiding it’s prob worth

and cap is high enough to get away with it now

but it’s still a little cringe if you are raiding

also don’t make an offhand weapon that shit is trash

[dim tide]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling wax:

• Can be pickpocketed from kobolds in e.g. The Ringing Deeps. (needs The Final Candle questline completed.)
• Only use it on one weapon. (does not stack)

[snow kindle]

you have very low ilvl and io compared to the ppl queing around you

[late tusk]

dude, no

[snow kindle]

ok if you dont think so

[late tusk]

Im doing my 12 and people is not ahead of 633 and 2k9

I mean, at least on my queue

[snow kindle]

if thats what you think thats what you think

[late tusk]

its a 12

[iron carbon]

Skill

[novel star]

Get a guild then

and make friends from that guild

[snow kindle]

im not the leader of the grp but heres a +13 and he aint taking any of them

[subtle tundra]

You don't get invited cause people are very picky

[snow kindle]

you need to be overqualified to get invited

as stupid as that is

[snow kindle]

thats how it is

[subtle tundra]

Just the reality

I'll probably get invited over you on my 623 monk cause it's linked to my main

For a 10

[novel star]

yeah so youre 1 in a sea of 30 people who are all the same ilvl/io or higher

what do u expect

[late tusk]

Im literally ahead of all that people

[snow kindle]

now compare yourself to them

[novel star]

no you are not?

[late tusk]

im 2917

iliterally one guy with more riop

[novel star]

you said 632/2900

you are literally on par

with everyone there

[subtle tundra]

Woah 30 score so much higher

[snow kindle]

bro 20 points is not that diff

[novel star]

nothing separates you from them

in the sea of applicants

and when 20 dps apply in 10 seconds

youre not exactly rushing to hit invite on them

when you can just wait 30 more seconds and get someone who actually stands out

[snow kindle]

if you want ot stand out youre either 638 ilvl or 3k+ io

[late tusk]

Thats why 2917 with 2 13s means more than 2850 with not a single 13

[novel star]

Yes but this doesn't matter

[late tusk]

Ye sure, i can hack 700ilvl so insta kil all

[novel star]

you're not talking about skill level or any real relevant statistics, youre talking about group finder

and optimizing pugging

[late tusk]

In fact I can go into MDI, win it, and then pug

[novel star]

people dont look at that shit man

[late tusk]

it mkaes a lot of sense

[novel star]

they sit there and wait for someone with big number to show up

and your number is not big enough to win over these apes

its not worth your time

[iron carbon]

DB and Arak means nothing in 13 compared to 12

Nobody will care

[late tusk]

Im literally maxed

with my pieces

[snow kindle]

does not matter

[novel star]

also doesnt matter

at all

[late tusk]

That argue got no sense when you are nto acepted on 12s

[iron carbon]

It is

[novel star]

people arent inspecting your character to see all your 626 hero pieces and how youre such an honorable grinder for getting all those crests

they dont care

[late tusk]

Then City 12 done by 6k people make a lot of sense

[iron carbon]

It won't help you into others keys

[late tusk]

and none care about that

[novel star]

they see the overall ilvl

and thats it

[snow kindle]

youre trying to use logic its not about logic

[novel star]

^

[snow kindle]

[novel star]

literally

NOTHING matters except your io number and your ilvl number

both of which are pretty average

in that queue

[fresh kelp]

632 is pretty low for this late in the season, im 636 and i only have one piece from m raid first 4

[subtle tundra]

Buddy you're complaining about something that has been happening since the introduction of m+ in legion

This conversation is pointless

[novel star]

[spice spire]

Ive gotten an invite by name before

[violet berry]

My brain can’t understand what twist the knife does is it just duplicating envenoms effects?

[subtle tundra]

Ok mr popular

So have i

[novel star]

Holy based

[snow kindle]

yes

[spice spire]

I tap too much varas

[iron carbon]

Allow it to overlap + 2 sec last longer

[spice spire]

Yap even

[subtle tundra]

I tap you

[pure moth]

If you haven't got the drops from vault yet, sure. Otherwise I'd run 10s for vault and hope you get lucky in those slots you still need.

[novel star]

Yes, envenom itself and everything that interacts w it is doubled

when u have 2 stacks

[spice surge]

The buff envenom gives that grants +30% poison chance can now stack. So you can get +60% posion chance

[violet berry]

So it just lasts longer but doesn’t increase poison app potential?

[novel star]

it does

because you have it applied twice

[spice surge]

And like the others have mentioned

[novel star]

30x2

[violet berry]

Ok

[iron carbon]

It does

[novel star]

it also doubles rapid injection

[spice surge]

It also doubles rapid injection and dashing scoundrel

[novel star]

yep

[violet berry]

Ok that’s huge then

[desert crest]

yes

that is why iron wire feels bad

[violet berry]

I feel better about losing iron wire lol

lol he’s

Yes

[novel star]

and doubled poison applications in and of itself is bigger than youd think cause that also means faster kingsbanes

[novel star]

you shouldnt!

put iron wire back on right fucking now

[desert crest]

nahh

fak dat shi

[violet berry]

I love my iron wire lol

[novel star]

if you want ttk

[graceful hamlet]

is there any addon/plater stuff or somethinng that can make it esier to keep track of what target is marked with deathstalkers mark?

[novel star]

drop sudden demise for it

[desert crest]

wipe the group but with high dmg

[novel star]

DO NOT drop iron wire

[violet berry]

Ya but we need assasin

[novel star]

what?

[desert crest]

MA

[novel star]

that has nothing to do with anything

[violet berry]

Master ass

[desert crest]

We need all the dmg talents

[violet berry]

Yes it does lol

[novel star]

dropping sudden demise for ttk doesnt change master assassin being available

what???

[iron carbon]

https://wago.io/5FWtjYFgC/1

[desert crest]

what if i want sudden demsie and ttk

[violet berry]

Talking about having iron wire and twist

Gotta drop MA

[novel star]

no?

what the fuck

you take iron wire and ttk and drop sd

why would you be forced to drop MA for ttk

sd is right there

[violet berry]

Ok maybe I’m confused I gotta look at the tree

[novel star]

you are confused

[violet berry]

Stop yelling at me

[desert crest]

nahh bro u are

[novel star]

[iron carbon]

What else?

[snow kindle]

persoonally ttk and MA no ironwire or SD is bis

[novel star]

you can just not have sanguine

[snow kindle]

especially if running prot paladin.

[desert crest]

lol

[violet berry]

No sanguine???

[desert crest]

My man

[iron carbon]

Wait what?

[desert crest]

red name no dmg

[iron carbon]

Dropping SB?

[violet berry]

Ok you wrong for that now

[novel star]

how

[snow kindle]

SB does a fuckton of dmg ngl

its usually like 6-8% of your dmg

[novel star]

any of these damage talents are all kind of the same shit

[violet berry]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smacking-other-cat-cat-cat-smack-cat-swat-gif-13134744971138704552

[spice surge]

Fwiw it also eats energy. So its not straightup 6%

[novel star]

and then sanguine is yoinking your energy on single target which is antisynergy with ttk

you take ttk for st damage generally

and then you take sanguine to.. get exclusively an aoe buff

that works against your ttk in st

[spice surge]

Even though ye on big aoe the energy eat is fake

[snow kindle]

just drop ironwire if youre running a prot pal

[spice spire]

Fraudulent even

[snow kindle]

its ight with other tanks but if u really want to keep it thats fine too

[violet berry]

On grim and Nw I could never

[novel star]

sd pretty much just gaps sb

[past panther]

Dmg reduction on IW is nice as it is

Lots of util

[novel star]

yea its almost like iron wire is ridiculously fucking overpowered

but we have to have the same argument every day

prioritizing ~2%dps over iw

w shit

[violet berry]

Is it 2?

[novel star]

who gives a fuck what it is

[violet berry]

I do

[novel star]

it could be 5% and it wouldnt be worth it

[golden loom]

You know whats an infinite dps gain? Staying alive

[rotund oak]

based^

[snow kindle]

personally a missed kicked is p rare

that actually kills someone

that is

think ive only really seen it happen in NW

[subtle tundra]

grimba and stonevault?

erm

if kicks going through doesnt kill people, then youre doing pissshit content so idc

[desert crest]

Iron wire is busted but only in keys where there are way too many casters think NW and ST

[subtle tundra]

grimba

[dapper cradle]

Which are the dungeons you can comfortably drop IW?

Siege and Mists seems okay

[split thorn]

Hey, newbie rogue here. Is it just me or is assassination kinda bad in low M+ keys? Mobs often die before I can really get rolling.

[desert crest]

Yeah seige and mist are good then there is city and dawnbreaker depending on what u pull and

in general just look at ur route and check if there are packs with more than 2 casters which matter

[desert crest]

make sure u play sudden demise in low keys

not that it will fix everything

[kindred hinge]

In pugs Mist. And .. that's it. Eventually DB depending on the route.

Siege after second boss IW is stronk

But it is not just the silence part that make it stronk but the DR too.

So even on non caster pack it is useful. Dr apply if they can be silenced even if they do not cast

[noble pine]

hey guys what's the optimal way of using ovi'nax's egg?

[brazen sluice]

if we take IW do we drop spear?

TTK + ir and drop spear and talent before it?

[novel star]

keep it under 20 stacks either way

i think 20 agi 10 secondary is best

[noble pine]

tnx

[novel star]

annoying ass trinket tho

[noble pine]

i got the trinket on mythic so i might aswell try it once

[novel star]

glhf

its pretty good if u can play it without getting upset

its also pretty good even if you fuck it up i think

i just cba lmao

[lone parrot]

I see a lot of people running the empowering crystal over sacbrood, whats the consesus here?

[novel star]

the consensus is theres like 6 passive trinkets that are all the same shit

and it doesnt really matter

[lone parrot]

fair enough

[novel star]

so they probably just got crystal first in vault and then took it as a win because now they can not have to take any other passive trinket out of vault in the future

[rotund oak]

for m+ crystal most likely wins sac but u should sim

[lone parrot]

[kindred hinge]

Ilvl mattter more

[lone parrot]

both 6/6 hero

ill just sim and see what it says

[golden loom]

is kyveza or ovinax puggable or is my journey over, got rashanan done today finally

[kindred hinge]

Then you sim and crystal prolly better. Now if you have mythic sacbrood it is better than hero crystal etc.

Most people don't have choice of mythic trinket

[novel star]

ovinax is not puggable

[iron carbon]

It's not

[novel star]

kyveza probably is puggable as far as like simplicity of the encounter

but

isnt puggable because of it actually just being hard

to execute

and pug players being bad

[winged quail]

aint nobody pugging kyveza or ovi sadly

[novel star]

skill level issue

[golden loom]

damn, i fkin love pugs

[iron carbon]

Maybe you can join a guild group

[novel star]

ovinax is not particularly hard but is complicated and chaotic

you can literally just get a guild tho lol

its not hard to find a guild

recruitment discord or warcraftlogs

[golden loom]

thats commitment tho

[novel star]

not really

[snow kindle]

i actually think kyveza is possible if your healers are goated

[novel star]

get in a 2 day guild

with no alt requirements etc etc

ezpz

[slow marsh]

Alt reqs is weird

Is that really a thing

[kindred hinge]

You can get into guild group lacking roster

[coral ibex]

no, you are gonna get griefed even attempting to pug it

[novel star]

Yes

for splits

[golden loom]

at this point of the season that sounds cringe

[novel star]

matters a lot early season if youre in a sweat guild

[slow marsh]

People do splits that's crazy

[snow kindle]

splits only first like 4 heroic runs

then nobody cares

[winged quail]

unless im getting paid to raid I'm not doing alt splits

[pure moth]

higher end guilds do..not your avg guild though

[slow marsh]

I was in a higher end guild at one point and never did splits that's just wild

[novel star]

sure noone will make u do splits now but theyll still list it as a requirement cus ppl recruit long term

[slow marsh]

Maybe like top 20 guilds

[golden loom]

maybe I look into a guild for next season, was my first time playing retail anways so happy with 4/8

[coral ibex]

no, people do split way down the world ranks

[novel star]

yea

[slow marsh]

That's cringe

[coral ibex]

ok?

[winged quail]

yeah the only people doing splits are the ones with a genuine hope of going world first

[coral ibex]

so dont join a guild that does splits

nobody cares if you think splits are cringe

[novel star]

it is a little cringe if ur like low hof and have to do splits

but yeah you can just not join one

the guild im looking at trialing in soon is gonna make me do splits next tier if i stick with them

and i just dont really care idk

i enjoy playing the game

[coral ibex]

if your guild wants HOF and does splits to do it, i dont see what the problem is

[slow marsh]

Well that's good

[novel star]

splits are an excuse to play another class that i find fun

and have fun playing the game

win win

[golden loom]

I do like playing fury aswell as rogue

[slow marsh]

I mean yeah if you enjoy it then it's fine obviously

[golden loom]

other than that there hasnt been anything too fun, I omega suck at casters

[novel star]

just play dev evoker

[golden loom]

so when they changed frost mage away from ice lance spam, I dropped it insta

[novel star]

that shit is caster BM

theres 3 BMs in wow

bm bm

ret bm

and dev bm

theyre all fucking bm

[golden loom]

I did lvl a bm also but it just doesnt feel satisfying to play

[novel star]

unlucky.

[coral ibex]

i think i'd rather start an ultimate ironman in osrs than play ret

[golden loom]

like casting on the move is fun but there just something missing

[novel star]

LMAO

hmmm

[golden loom]

yeah I am probably just gonna play leagues rest of this month,

[novel star]

maybe spriest/affli

if u like dots

[snow kindle]

love splits

more gear for the main

feelsgoodman

[slow marsh]

I mean last time I played comp was the first return of tier so maybe it's a thing now and I'm just a boomer

[novel star]

splits have always been a thing and also have always not been a thing

just up to the gms preference really

[slow marsh]

Splits have always been a thing for the actual top guilds but not for normal comp guilds

I helped do splits for the top guilds but we never did it for ourselves

[subtle tundra]

my guild started splits to break world 50

[novel star]

heroic splits have been a thing since like

[subtle tundra]

we had 0 alt requirement for top 100

[novel star]

mythic existed

no?

[slow marsh]

Yeah that makes sense top 50

[novel star]

[subtle tundra]

we only had 2 alts this tier cause of HC week

and we got our highest wr aswell

[snow kindle]

i feel like recently splits have just been super free

[novel star]

Yeh

and 1 alt is like, literally zero effort at this point

blizzard has done nothing but buff alt friendliness

[subtle tundra]

eh

depends

[novel star]

for years

[subtle tundra]

it was 1m+ gold

to gear alt for full hc week 1 clear

[snow kindle]

1m??? wtf

no shot lol

full 590 gear was only like 200k

then spam delves for the 610

unless you bought like the full 590 set the day they were available

[subtle tundra]

590 gear + full enchants

• full sockets

x3

main + 2 alts

[snow kindle]

we only did rank 1s

[fresh kelp]

pvp craft too ye

[subtle tundra]

pvp crafts yes

[snow kindle]

enchants were expensive but max i only dropps 500k for both toons

no r3s though

[subtle tundra]

did you see socket prices

[snow kindle]

yeah

[subtle tundra]

exactly

[snow kindle]

still wasnt 1m for me 😭

i waited last second week of raid to buy allat

[subtle tundra]

• craft 619 weapons

[fresh kelp]

20k x6 for 2 characters is already 1/4 of a mil

[slow marsh]

Ok I guess I'm just a boomer cuz my old guild has a 1 alt req now so

[fresh kelp]

for socket thingy

[snow kindle]

if u crafted 619 then probably

[subtle tundra]

we finished wr 25

[fresh kelp]

ig less if ur using crafted rings

[snow kindle]

i didnt craft 619s though

[slow marsh]

But they're also us 19 ansurek

[subtle tundra]

whats that, wr 200?

US

[slow marsh]

World 67

[subtle tundra]

fucking NA

with their US

rankings

holy shit get out of your bubble

[snow kindle]

we are US

we are the bubble

merica

[subtle tundra]

nobody in EU is looking EU ranks

[snow kindle]

US is just more competitive within region

[fresh kelp]

can't blame us really, gotta remember all the lead in the pipes over here

playing with debuff

[slow marsh]

Probably nobody cares about EU vs EU because they're used to being globalized anyways

But yeah US rank is fairly common in anything not just wow

[snow kindle]

idk how it is in EU but in NA alot of guilds are neck n neck so we compare ourselves to other US

[subtle tundra]

cause we care about being best overall, not just against a small portion

[slow marsh]

Anyways US 19= world 67 not that bad

[subtle tundra]

dont need to jack ourselves off to better number

[slow marsh]

You're probably right

[novel star]

This is tilting me rn applying to guilds lol

i get told like

us 50! us 30!

wtf does that shit MEAN MAN

FAKE NUMBER

i may b na but i hate na too

im not like the rest of them i swear...

[snow kindle]

honestly tho going by region when joining a guild makes more sense

you aint going to EU

[novel star]

i dont think region rank ever really makes sense

everyone is playing the same game and gets access to the raid at the same time (any specific release time differences dont matter if you arent liquid/echo)

[coral ibex]

i hope my current guild sticks around for next tier, they seem cool and are about at my skill level overall

[coral ibex]

they just use regional rank bc its always higher

[novel star]

ye

[coral ibex]

so it seems more impressive to the average dummy applying

[novel star]

its a sexy number

to say oooo top 50

when top 50 is like

barely hof

zzzz

americans

[coral ibex]

are there that many more eu guilds?

[snow kindle]

but see thats the thing relatively thats pretty good lol.

[subtle tundra]

theres also other regions

[novel star]

Ofc anything in hof is a big deal like playerbase % wise

but its still dumb to use us % there instead of playerbase % lol

the number just doesnt mean anything

its like ilvl parsing.

[slow marsh]

True

[snow kindle]

it does that thats why i said realistically youre never joining a guild outside your region

competitively yea region rank dont matter

[novel star]

yeah but youre playing the same world of warcraft that the people in eu are playing

[snow kindle]

but if im looking ot join a guild im not lookin at other regions

[slow marsh]

Also it's way better to say I was 67 in the world vs us 19

[novel star]

so its just a more useful number with more information attached to it

to say wr

instead of us rank

[slow marsh]

Like world means more in general idk why that's not the standard

[coral ibex]

not necessarily tho

why do you care about ranks from people you'd literally never ever ever ever possibly play with

[snow kindle]

^

[coral ibex]

rungs on the ladder only matter if you can be on them

[subtle tundra]

bcs i wanna beat them

[slow marsh]

It's not about their ranks it's about your rank including them

[subtle tundra]

fuck NA

[coral ibex]

rent free

[slow marsh]

Wasn't there a bunch of drama with echo this race

[novel star]

Ye

[coral ibex]

not really, the only "drama" was some eu dweebs getting upsetti about spellslinger arcane stacks on kyveza

[novel star]

it doesnt matter if ur able to play with them or not

ur competing against them

in the same challenge in the same game

so why separate the boards lol

[snow kindle]

if im looking to be in a NA guild and the highest rated NA guild is top 100 world but the rest is other regions id still play there if I could cause im in the US

[novel star]

sure

but

that doesnt mean you have to advertise yourself based on ur us rank lole

cause anyone who is looking for guilds they can play with

[coral ibex]

the guild could be rank 1 in the region, aka the best guild you could possibly play with, but because their WR is too low you'd pass?

[novel star]

is already filtering to only same region

and theyd see wr100 at the top of the list

[slow marsh]

Especially when the top guild is US and 2 is EU

It's not like it's that far off

Be different if it was like top 100 is dominated by US and then EU is sub 100

[coral ibex]

i see your pov oli

[novel star]

Naw ofc not

just i think everyone would be smart enough to see that its region rank 1 and know its like their peak or whatever

[subtle tundra]

for recruiting purposes, yes region rank is important

[novel star]

it feels a little dishonest tho to reach out to people and advertise by saying ur top 10 us etc imo

[subtle tundra]

but comparing to other guilds, wr is important

[novel star]

thats the problem

[subtle tundra]

what if 2 guild are US rank 50 and 51, but they are wr 200 and 230

[novel star]

their wcl bios are always listing us rank for every ce instead of

wr

n its just aids cus u have to do so much more research to see the number that means something when it comes to

level of play

zz

[slow marsh]

200 and 230 isn't very different but I agree with your point

[fresh kelp]

seems very easy to just do US 50 (World 200) and give full information

[novel star]

^

[coral ibex]

aww my bloodbound kill locked in at 98 and not 99

no mythic pink for me yet

[slow marsh]

It'll come

[vivid lodge]

!wa