#assassination

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sullen phoenix
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thats i wanted to know only

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idk sometimes i get 5 cp some times 4

subtle tundra
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didnt crit

sullen phoenix
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yea

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so mut before rupt

subtle tundra
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or fok

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probably fok

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cause its on opener

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and you have the the thing that

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the uh

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fok

sullen phoenix
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clear the whitness

subtle tundra
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fok this

sullen phoenix
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i see ye

grim jay
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you have imp ambush that affects ambush cp, then there is shrouded for garrote cp and the crit thing

sullen phoenix
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makes sense

grim jay
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thats all there ever can be to it

blissful pecan
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u guys think this is worth?

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0.1% dps gain by recrafting all gems

grim jay
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I wouldnt bother personally

subtle tundra
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nope

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dont

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waste of gold

blissful pecan
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oki

trail locust
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0.1 margin

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do the sim again

blissful pecan
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still interesting to see haste gems giving most dps

subtle tundra
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why would it be

blissful pecan
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i guess i have way too much mastery

subtle tundra
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crit is devalued from the hero talent

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so haste is a bit better than crit most of the time

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also crit is devalued from ma

grim jay
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also you got a buttload of crit from your specific items

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like the queen ring

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if you have it

sullen phoenix
blissful pecan
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ofc i have it

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only its 619 šŸ’€

grim jay
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with imp its 3

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unless im tripping

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(unlikely)

subtle tundra
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yes

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youre correct

sullen phoenix
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aaaaah fk i tought normal gives 3 when i went with my mouse over, but it calculate with imp amb talents already

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ok than, mut>rupt

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then*

grim jay
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ye its kinda 50/50 if you gotta mut before rupture

sullen phoenix
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or as varas said clear the witness maybe

grim jay
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oh ye

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I always forget that

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doesnt really matter anyways tho, as long as you consume it

sullen phoenix
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gonna do like that

spice spire
grim jay
spice spire
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Stubble fine

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Sometimes you catch some seasoning

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Y’know

grim jay
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based. idk who wants to shave their ass clean anyways

subtle tundra
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ive heard its awful\

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when it starts growing back

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it itches and its so bad

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i wouldnt know

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y'know
i dont clean my house unless i expect visitors.

grim jay
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ye its insane. shortening or just letting it grow is the way

drifting cedar
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If we shiv at last 8 seconds of KB and thistle tea then, we won't have tea for the last 2 seconds of KB, for the mastery buff. Is that bad?

grim jay
subtle tundra
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girls?

grim jay
worldly dock
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where can i find some usefull macros?

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i just saw we should have tea and shiv together

subtle tundra
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thats the only thing

grim jay
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!tea

prisma monolithBOT
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Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
grim jay
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and trinket with dm

worldly dock
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Trinket from GB? Skardyn right?

grim jay
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yes

worldly dock
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Shiv should be always used with tea and KB ?

grim jay
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tea always with shiv in the macro

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shiv and KB naturally line up

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if you have only 1 shiv you can get in a usage between KBs

worldly dock
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Nice ty for all the tips
Tought assa was really hard but seems to be not that hard to understand and play

grim jay
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you just gotta ask (yourself) the right questions

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and it probably kinda clicks at some point

worldly dock
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well i still have to figure out the stats a bit

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atm all my crafted items are with haste/mastery

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since i use master assasin i figure i need to have a little more haste but not much too

grim jay
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we dont really do stats around here

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we just sim what we have

clever sapphire
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I dont sim, i just take ilvl

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I asked sim once and still took ilvl

royal lantern
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i dont take ilvl, i just take

spice spire
clever sapphire
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You can take me anytime dracthyr_blush

spice surge
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Its not just about taking, sometimes its about giving

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Bro only taking on thanksgiving smh my head

royal lantern
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it didnt even take 2 seconds to go full horny

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and it wasnt even my intend

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jfc

clever sapphire
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Wouldnt be assa channel otherwise, would it now dracthyr_kek_animated

spice spire
spice surge
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Mine is relationship advice only, no horny

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(ok a little bit horny)

clever sapphire
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What if i need horny relationship advice monkahmm

spice surge
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Clearly a world of warcraft discord is the IDEAL place to seek that kind of advice

clever sapphire
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Who else would know about that

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Cant ask the league discord

grim jay
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well you can

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if it has to do with feet

spice spire
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Lest we ping Armin

clever sapphire
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Riot themselves would probably answer if i asked about feet dracthyr_kek_animated

lilac wind
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Archon.gg has the most used build with only a single shiv charge. Are you saving the shiv for last 8 secs of kingsbane with thistle tea or using before kings bane is applied after death mark?

spice spire
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Last 8s

lilac wind
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I am having trouble understanding the reasoning for using in the last 8secs vs front loading it. Could you elaborate?

spice spire
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Sure

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That’s understanding kb

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Kb is a dot; it has a large initial hit but you stack kb with poison applications passively, maxing at 50, later your ticks will be more stacked (thus do more damage) so it’s better to amplify at the end

lilac wind
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Gotcha. Thank you! So you are applying your bleeds and envenom into death mark, KB into envenom dump and at the last 8 secs add a thistle/shiv?

clever sapphire
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Yep

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And if you are playing st with double shiv you want to shiv before kb so that way your whole kb is covered by shiv

lilac wind
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Got it šŸ‘šŸ¼ thanks all!

ornate wagon
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guys i cant get the left mouse click tricks of the trade macro/weakaura to worrk any ideas pls?

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can someone link the weakaura again pls ā¤ļø

clever sapphire
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!tricks

prisma monolithBOT
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Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
elder reef
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Is it dumb to have a macro for Shiv into KB?

spice surge
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Theyre both on the gcd, so you cant macro em

grim jay
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And people wonder why blizz is removing buttons

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Can do a wonky castsequence

elder reef
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Knew that just the button issue is exactly why lol

crimson zephyr
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I thought I get way better but turns out I was just pumped with PI 😦 xD

quasi wigeon
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wtf is envenom even

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12m crits on my 618 rogue

crimson zephyr
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630 assa rogue in a double timed GB10 with the usual big pulls. What would you expect in overall dps? I know it's hard to say but I just need to judge myself against something. ^^e.g. I did now 1.73m but I got a lot of PI. I think I should be way higher no?

clever sapphire
elder reef
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Dope

grim jay
crimson zephyr
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why can't I see PI uptime in details?

clever sapphire
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You should be able to see pi as a buff on you in details

grim jay
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As a buffonHOLY

clever sapphire
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Sometimes my phone refuses to press space

crimson zephyr
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I cant see it

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and there isn't some kind of detail view of this

elder reef
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It'll be under buffs

crimson zephyr
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ok will check it out, had to leave.

nimble vector
cerulean maple
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On phone so can't look at logs but do you do your normal opener? I've had better cool down sync with sending cds right after first phase blades are done, gives you much better uptime and lines up with third phase blades that way too

blissful pecan
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Yeah i do the normal opener

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So that means do you hold deathmark until the first blades are gone?

cerulean maple
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But I do feel like it's pretty easy to get 80%+ if you actually play the fight optimally

cerulean maple
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Since you'll have two envenoms on him and can fulll send that way with perfect uptime before he does another round of dashes

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If you do it right st the start you can't hit him during the second half ish or kb window, meaning you get less value from the energy saturation and lower uptime -> lower kb dmg

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For me personally it has been worth

nimble vector
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I’m not sure why you would hold anything

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Only thing is holding 4:30 dm for 5:30 so you can use with pot (assuming you do not get the last cd set)

brittle fulcrum
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Im just coming back today I havent played since DF Season 2 and im confused. Why is Thisle Tea passive now?
I cant be the only one to figure out that you can put it on the bottom of a macro and itl auto use it when your out of energy

gilded wolf
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Which sin build is used most in the m+ meta?

devout lantern
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Kingsbane is after or before shiv

blissful pecan
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after i believe

wild thorn
blissful pecan
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deathmark - shiv ( tea) - kb

balmy prism
devout lantern
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and in that window just envenom right>

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?*

brittle fulcrum
balmy prism
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Yes but you'll want to macro it to shiv anyways

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!shiv

wild thorn
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!tea

prisma monolithBOT
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Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
balmy prism
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there you go, just use that

brittle fulcrum
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That wasnt my question and I write my own macros but cool šŸ˜„

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Thinking outloud about it lead me to my answer thankyou

brittle fulcrum
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?

shut aspen
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am I missing something with spyglass? wildly underperforming on overall dps in mythic+ compared to what the sims say. Losing out to ritual knife by 300-400k overall in 8+

shut aspen
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great to hear šŸ™‚

worldly sail
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
wild thorn
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empowering crystal from dawnbreaker is what most people use

shut aspen
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300-400k is actually conservative... ive seen some packs im used to hitting 2.5m and im at like 1.7 with roughly same group makeup, buffs, etc.

brittle fulcrum
worldly sail
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its not 300-400k difference "ass"

stray adder
# brittle fulcrum ?

I mean you asked a question and got an answer that is legit and you somehow got passive aggressive

shut aspen
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yea

shut aspen
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huh?

worldly sail
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dslice sim puts it pretty close to ritual knife

timber sage
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For you m+ assa rogues in the chat, what did you do for embelish? On murlok io im seeing a couple diff setups for the top rogues

brittle fulcrum
pale socket
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You first

shut aspen
spice surge
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The reason you did 300k less has nothing to do with spyglass

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no trinket vs any trinket isnt even 300k

pale socket
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It’s good in ST and overall dslice has it made up for on a boss. In packs you’ll notice it, yeah

shut aspen
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ok, strike the number and leave it at underperforming then. My logs mean nothing

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thank you for the answers

solar wyvern
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And Ascension+patch is "BiS" for raid

brittle fulcrum
solar wyvern
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Crit chance is really good on sin, just deadeye only stacks on 1 target which is pretty meh in m+

shut aspen
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yea, it can stay in my bags for now, it's a noticeable difference and large enough that I was able to make up the difference when swapping it

coral ibex
brittle fulcrum
coral ibex
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ritual knife is extremely strong

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but limited to 626 max

stray adder
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myth track ritual knife would go crazy

shut aspen
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yea, I've swapped back to it

stray adder
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but you won't catch me running delves

subtle tundra
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Fok does that

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Yes sims include that

oak tangle
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so i went to my doctors today, and i essentially had the "my knee hurts when i press it. 'so stop pressing it then'" interaction, but with spicy food 😦

digital pollen
oak tangle
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look, KFC hot n spicy is too good

spice spire
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It’s not even spicy memz

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Smdh

hollow gazelle
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mythic +

molten flicker
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mythic+ rogues get a lot from crit

novel star
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it does not

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even comparing burst peaks is insane

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thats just not how anything works

brittle fulcrum
# molten flicker what's a mythic rogue

They were talking about Spyglass in M+ and because this is my literal first day back I misread that as mythic raiding. So I meant a rogue geared for mythic raid and realized what I did wrong as soon as someone said "The problem with Spyglass in M+ is its single target"
I gotta go tho cheers everyone

novel star
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you could have a knife pull where you get insanely unlucky crits or worst case scenario a crit/mastery debuff proc

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while youre in the middle of aoe burst

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or a pack where you get spyglass instantly at the start and the buff lasts the entire pack and every kb tick crits because you got lucky

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a sample size of 2 in a game like wow with so many different things happening all at once is fucking ridiculous

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just pick whatever trinket makes you smile i guess

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nothing matters

wild thorn
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exile didnt deserve to be used in this convo

novel star
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i will use WORLDOFWARCRAFT whenever i want to

wild thorn
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no you dont

novel star
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every time i open this discord i WORLDOFWARCRAFT instantly

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its actually devastating to read

spice spire
spice spire
wild thorn
spice spire
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It’s actually devastating to read

coral ibex
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exile is progging the new xiv ultimate on WHM that face is 100% real

spice spire
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Was fine

novel star
novel star
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never got into poe much but poe2 looks like fun

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ill probably try it at some point

wild thorn
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banned

novel star
novel star
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fuck this place

spice spire
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Call me this place

spice spire
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Sup

spice spire
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Yeah that’s literally me

bleak sun
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1st time in raid got rashanan cloak Surebud

spice spire
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Hot

blissful pecan
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Also me killing rashanan for 5 million times getting not even witnessing capes

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šŸ’€

coral ibex
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wym you’re supposed to get 3 bow drops

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how did you get a cloak

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wtf

cyan trellis
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In raid if I have supercharge and not darkest night should I envenom at 3 combo points? Also same thing for 5 combo points if I have darkest night? Kind of confused how it works and I remember people saying it was bugged when it was first changed

novel star
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you can if you want, but it doesnt really make any difference

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since the supercharger points value goes over the cap

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you can still build to 5+ like normal and just get whats functionally a 8/9/10cp envenom anyway

cyan trellis
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So basically just play as you would if you didn't have the talent?

novel star
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yeh

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the stacks are always gonna be consumed during shiv either way

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and always going to have their full +2/+3cp value

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so it doesnt change anything

cyan trellis
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In that case if I'm one stack from darkest night proc would it make sense to wait a few sec if shiv is up to get supercharger to get the guaranteed crit?

novel star
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what do you mean

coral ibex
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if you have supercharger and 6cp you can envenom for DN

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you don’t shiv outside kb windows

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so you’d only have this happen soon after a kingsbane

cyan trellis
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Is saving shiv if I'm 1 envenom from DN worth it if it takes a few seconds? Sometimes this happens during raid when I have 2 charges and I'm kinda curious if it's worth

novel star
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no

coral ibex
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what

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save shiv

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huh

novel star
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the shiv would build cp and put you at 7 anyway

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never do this

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send both of your shivs for kingsbane as usual

coral ibex
cyan trellis
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What about in m+ though

coral ibex
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you don’t shiv outside kb and you don’t have supercharger in m+

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if you do i’ll ask you why you’re not playing subterfuge in m+

fresh kelp
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I believe he is suggesting to wait a couple seconds to use the DN envenom for shiv to come up (and in keys you do shiv between kingsbanes)

novel star
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if you happen to be playing supercharger and single shiv i guess you could hold dn for a few seconds until shiv comes up but i dont think it would be a gain and if it is its a very small one not worth thinking about

coral ibex
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no you don’t

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shiv is worthless in aoe

cyan trellis
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Yeah that's what I'm asking but you're right I don't use it in m+

coral ibex
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on top of not having supercharger

fresh kelp
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or at least, you can

cobalt sphinx
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you can use supercharger in keys

cyan trellis
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I'm more asking for raid

novel star
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because to do this you are also losing the passive damage from having mark active

cobalt sphinx
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and you can shiv in between kbs

novel star
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and no, in raid you can not ever send shiv without it being used for 100% kingsbane coverage

coral ibex
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why do you think shiv matters outside kb

novel star
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if youre sending raw shivs in raid youre trolling pretty bad

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both charges gotta be used for kb

cyan trellis
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If kb and shiv are when I'm one off DN

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And I can do it or slam an envenom

coral ibex
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you’re overthinking it

novel star
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yeah

cyan trellis
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And delay it for like 2 or 3s

coral ibex
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press shiv for kb

cyan trellis
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Yeah that's what I'm thinking

novel star
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just an overthink

coral ibex
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stop thinking beyond that

novel star
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its maybe a gain but not a relevant one at all

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you dont want to lose mark uptime

cyan trellis
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I wasn't sure if the DN supercharger is a huge nuke and I'm losing dam not doing it but yeah I think overthinking is not gonna help in the long run thanks!

novel star
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and you gain energy when you consume dn anyway so like the extra mutilate doesnt really hurt much

arctic hare
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!plater

prisma monolithBOT
coral ibex
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you want to be consuming as many marks and DNs as possible over a fight

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delaying is always bad

novel star
coral ibex
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except when you need to apply to a specific mob like in court

cyan trellis
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Sorry for spam but 1 more q - if I'm in raid and there's a mechanic coming in like 9 seconds and I have burst window of kb + dm would you send it even if you can't get full uptime during it or just wait till you have a clear window?

coral ibex
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depends on the specific context

cobalt sphinx
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@coral ibex you do shiv between kbs in keys, for the record

coral ibex
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if you can get a full use by delaying and it also doesn’t cost you a use it can be better

coral ibex
cobalt sphinx
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not everything is aoe

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don't spread blatant misinformation

coral ibex
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excuse me lol

cyan trellis
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Ah yeah so basically main thing is making sure in a fight you use all the CDs you could

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That makes sense

coral ibex
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nothing i said is blatant misinformation

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it’s all correct

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shiv is worthless in aoe

cobalt sphinx
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you keep saying that you don't shiv outside of kb

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that's wrong

coral ibex
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how is it wrong

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i don’t do that

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it’s a true statement

novel star
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CB_shrug youre both right

coral ibex
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it’s also true that shiv is worthless in aoe

novel star
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shiv doesnt do anything in aoe but you still can slam it for prio

coral ibex
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please hop off my dick buddy

cobalt sphinx
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and you use it in single target

royal lantern
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or is that some m+ andy stuff once again cuss they think that it marks a target and that you need to ST it then lol

novel star
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u dont get it

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the trinket that stacks in half a second

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and gives a lot of a nice aoe stat

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is bad in aoe

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XD

royal lantern
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like, i think most people think that its legit "you proc it and then need to single target 1 guy until its fully stacked"

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when its just "it procs once and 1 sec later its fully stacked cus of all the aoe stuff going on"

cobalt sphinx
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going off the wording on the trinket, it seems like it'd be bad

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but apparently it's fine

royal lantern
spice surge
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Its only bad when it procs like 1s before a target dies

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But other trinkets are bad if they proc like that too

royal lantern
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thats every proc trinket tbh

spice surge
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So it doesnt really change anything

coral ibex
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procs that give a buff to you are fine in that situation

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procs that debuff a target suck

royal lantern
# coral ibex no

well, yeha you can get a stat proc and have a couple sec into the next pack

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but thats not a big deal either

spice surge
cerulean maple
coral ibex
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i mean it gives a buff relevant to one target

spice surge
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And it takes like 2 seconds to proc it fully

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No

royal lantern
coral ibex
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yes? if your marked target dies you have to restack it

spice surge
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no

cerulean maple
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i mean even if you don't get mechanics you can't hit him for like 3-4 seconds during your kb window while he dashes for blades

royal lantern
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its a buff on yourself

coral ibex
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it’s not tied to the specific mob triggering it?

spice surge
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What you lose if your target dies early

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Is that you wont get the refresh after 10s

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So it will not last the entire 20s

cerulean maple
royal lantern
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the trinket marks a target, everytime it takes dmg you get a crit buff

all your dots stack it up, that why "spyglass is bad in m+" is so stupid, its actually good there cus the mark procs and all the dots/aoe dmg stuff fills the sstacks in 1-2 seconds and you have a big crit buff now

coral ibex
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i thought if the marked target died you lost the buff

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TIL

royal lantern
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unless your paladin takes that spot

cerulean maple
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not on first webs

royal lantern
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with their 30000000 yard range on everything

cerulean maple
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w90

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sorry cat ran over keyboard

coral ibex
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w90

cerulean maple
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me @ my parses

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W 90

royal lantern
cerulean maple
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but yeah on first webs our mythic group puts them like 20-30 yd in front of her so nobody gets web instakilled

coral ibex
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cat tax

cerulean maple
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instead of to the side

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kinda wish we put them on the side so i could melee

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and on 2nd webs someone took my melee spot

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so i had shitall for uptime

royal lantern
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eh, if it works for a kill

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who cares

cerulean maple
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ya

main blaze
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side is good

cerulean maple
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but on like the 3 pulls before kill i had like 1.55m

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so sadge

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goodbye my 99%

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didnt want you anyway

cerulean maple
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my partner sent me one while i was at work

nimble vector
cerulean maple
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OH

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no no

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on kyveza i just blast

spice spire
cerulean maple
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melee doesnt seem to get portals anyway

spice spire
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They’re so cute

cerulean maple
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i love them

spice spire
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Same

cerulean maple
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but they always fight after cuddling jskgjns

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then thye go back to cuddling

spice spire
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I need you to pet both of them later

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Urgently

cerulean maple
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the tricolored one is sleeping in my arm as we speak

spice spire
royal lantern
spice spire
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Wait tryan

cerulean maple
spice spire
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I have copious George pictures for you

cerulean maple
royal lantern
winged gust
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yo is it bad that im at 40% mastery but 28% crit even tho i have most of the BIS but not at max level BIS

prisma monolithBOT
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There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
  • Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
winged gust
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oh cool thankyou

cerulean maple
#

i wish fatebound was good

#

ngl

#

i love rng shit

winged gust
cerulean maple
#

fr

lilac wind
#

anyway to reset the deathmark windows on the LE WA?

manic quartz
#

I have M skardyn & M Ikkaj crystal, i got spyglass M and H mandate on vault, should i take 2k dps up in form of spyglass or mandate for shit n giggles and big numbers in some cases šŸ™

shut aspen
#

whatever blows your hair back is clearly the name of the game

novel star
#

the dam diff between spyglass and crystal is pretty cosmetic

#

so CB_shrug

simple gulch
#

I am an idiot

royal lantern
simple gulch
#

Wanted to try assa and switched over to it on rash hc

#

guess what i did

royal lantern
#

play with m+ talents?

simple gulch
#

didn't ambush at start

#

so DS was completely dead

novel star
#

no vanish

simple gulch
#

I didn't even realize on the vanish

#

until after that

#

so yeah

#

not even then

spice spire
simple gulch
#

might as well just stick to outlaw

snow kindle
simple gulch
#

im gonna try it on princess

#

this time i'll start with ambush xdd

#

i do prefer outlaw tbh

manic quartz
spice spire
simple gulch
#

smh my head

snow kindle
grim jay
spice spire
#

It’s actually suck my dick, homie.

#

I forgot who said that one

#

But it fucked hard

thin plinth
#

guys whats the item called which adds sockets to neck

cobalt sphinx
#

magnificent jew

drifting cloud
cerulean walrus
spice spire
cobalt sphinx
#

search it on the auction house and you will find what you desire

cerulean walrus
humble verge
#

hm

#

i wonder if i should actually start running SB in high keys

earnest canopy
#

what is the best trinket to run in m+ with skardyn's? i see most ppl are using empowering crystal, but wowhead guide says deadeye spyglass is bis, but its ranked below sacbrood in the rankings

cobalt sphinx
#

whichever one you get on myth track

#

crystal is probably best

#

it's like the same thing, sacbrood and knife are very close too

gloomy heart
#

need to gear my mage

#

mage has hero queen ring

#

and a myth ring

soft shale
#

they buffed fire again

gloomy heart
#

GIGA

thin plinth
thin plinth
#

training dummy

novel star
#

well

#

youre not simming for a training dummy

#

lol

thin plinth
#

in keys i go under 900k

cobalt sphinx
#

do a training dummy sim

novel star
#

patchwerk sims

#

include execute

#

dummies are stuck at 100% hp

cobalt sphinx
novel star
#

theres a setting on raidbots to sim a dummy

cobalt sphinx
#

your lack of a shaman, warrior, druid, demon hunter, monk, and hunter is holding you back

novel star
thorn fjord
#

I AM a dummy

gloomy heart
#

how to get friends on wow

#

i have 0 pve friends

#

depressing

thorn fjord
novel star
#

simming dummy also automatically disables all the buffs

thin plinth
novel star
#

this is not relevant brotha

#

you cant sim having 8 different raid buffs

#

against a m+ comp that can have a maximum of 4 of those for u

#

if you want to compare your dps to simdps

#

sim dummy and smack dummy

#

any other gameplay to sim comparison is not very good

gloomy heart
#

any1 on na wanna be friends

thin plinth
#

ok screw the target dummy, i should be doing more then 850k maitained in keys

novel star
#

not necessarily

#

assa m+ boss dps is pretty terrible

cobalt sphinx
#

it's just gonna be like that dawg

novel star
#

whatever you think you "should" be doing relative to what your sim is doing

#

is an irrelevant feeling

#

unless again

#

its a dummy sim vs dummy dps

#

thats it

cobalt sphinx
#

i did like 2.6 overall in this stonevault 10, still only 950k single target

novel star
#

we just suck ass at bosses in m+

#

cant really take any of the big st talents

spice surge
#

Supercharger instead of subterfuge is takable

#

Just not great

novel star
#

well yeh

#

thats about it tho

#

that and ttk

#

but then its ttk without dashing or blindside for energy

#

so like

#

eh?

subtle tundra
#

ttk is pretty good for prio dmg

#

esp strong on add fights

slow marsh
#

You are good for prio dmg

subtle tundra
#

thanks i know

solar orbit
thorn fjord
frosty bridge
#

(i have empirical evidence)

novel star
#

just not quite as big as raid

gloomy hinge
#

In what scenario do you go sudden demise over twist the knife?

#

or would you swap master assassin for sudden demise in any scenario?

novel star
gloomy hinge
#

Alright, Thank you for the quick reponse

#

but also with twist the knife

novel star
#

or for the execute in low keys when things die omega fast

gloomy hinge
#

isnt it just that poison application chance is more frequent?

novel star
#

no

#

rapid injection is also doubled

gloomy hinge
#

Oooh

#

wow

#

really?

novel star
#

ya

gloomy hinge
#

I was not actually aware of that

#

That clears alot of things up actually

novel star
#

more poisons also = faster kingsbane / amp poison stacking

#

so its not like "just poisons" isnt a lot by itself aswell

gloomy hinge
#

yeah i see

short night
#

for buidls where ii dont have MA /double vanish, what do ii use vanish on?

#

e.g. necrotic wake

#

since i guess vaniish iis pointless to use during CDS

#

since no MA

novel star
#

i’m not sure why this build would exist in the first place

short night
#

šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø just following wcl/archon

novel star
#

but you would still vanish for imp gar / carnage / IW

short night
#

im not good

novel star
#

follow guides

#

the problem with looking at the most popular talents is that people are stupid

#

but regardless

#

there’s a lot more than just MA

#

i don’t think you ever have an m+ build without at least carnage+imp gar

#

and imp gar alone is still enough to vanish for cds

#

you just vanish gar before/early into dm

#

rather than end of kb

#

n carnage is just kinda insane aoe dam acceleration on chainpulls + iron wire for casters goes nuts

cobalt sphinx
#

or save it for aoe setup if you are caught without stealth

west crown
#

You don’t really need to vanish in cooldowns. It’s really minmaxy and not the best use of vanish in dungeons

short night
#

but some builds for some reason drop the double vanish + mA

#

idk why

short night
#

chain pulls?

cerulean nest
#

losing the mark or for another use of iron wire

novel star
#

you can play a lot of different things

novel star
#

there is no strict best use of vanish in keys

#

its a very diverse cooldown and the simple answer doesnt really exist

slow marsh
#

just use it when you need it ezpz

novel star
#

literally this lol

short night
#

im still new to rogue soi dont have the feel for when to use it yet

#

my default was just wait for last 1/2 of kb

slow marsh
#

if you dont have a feel then probably just use it on cd better than holding

novel star
#

generally you slam vanish on cd

#

holding vanish should be done with a specific plan in mind

#

if you are at the point of comfort/dungeon knowledge that u can tell yourself

#

i dont want to vanish here so i can use it better for utility 30 seconds from now

#

then do so

#

otherwise

#

send on cd

#

youll figure it out Okayge

icy nacelle
#

im holding vanish because my tank doesnt know shit and is chainpulling or doing other funky stuff dead

novel star
#

Based

cloud basin
#

Hold vanish to chain cheap shots when needed

#

That's one use it do lol. I generally don't use it on bosses unless mark is needed

novel star
#

cheap shot in pve

coral ibex
#

you eventually learn to identify "i should vanish here"

#

and then you just press it

#

WAT makes this super easy

novel star
short night
#

!plater

prisma monolithBOT
soft surge
#

with shadow dmg i assume it can be cloaked?

runic hinge
novel star
#

it can with first sec yeh

runic hinge
#

so wait until less than 1 second left on cast

soft surge
#

nice

novel star
#

stops the knockback too

soft surge
#

ty

deep gyro
#

Uff knowledge acquired XD

cloud basin
novel star
#

just a rare thing to need

#

but its fine

cloud basin
#

Twilight beguiler need that interrupt lol. And the enforcers can be stunned so they lose stacks, incase you don't have shiv

subtle tundra
thorn slate
#

Is sanguine blades better than Sudden demise in m+ 10?

novel star
#

/ just hold shiv

#

but yea it doesnt really matter either way

cloud basin
#

I don't run iron wire in high keys

novel star
#

ah one of those

subtle tundra
novel star
#

your usage of vanish does not matter to me

subtle tundra
#

imagine not playing iron wire in gb

novel star
#

because your opinions in general do not matter that much to me if you arent playing iron wire

#

in a caster spam dungeon

#

lol

#

you are going to such lengths to just end up in the same place

#

vanishing for a caster

#

but worse, by a lot

#

its fine

#

the 2% damage will be why you finish key in time

subtle tundra
#

people who dont play iron wire esp in high caster dungeons have less value in their words

novel star
#

varas stop typing man u dont get it u dont do high keys

cloud basin
#

I don't play sudden demise either

subtle tundra
#

ok but thats more preference

#

its shifting damage

#

from some place to another

snow quest
#

What so you think about the no sbs build?

kindred hinge
#

You have to seriously don't understand GB if you ever choose to not run Iw there

novel star
#

it's like numerically fine i guess but ew

subtle tundra
#

my tank would castrate me

snow quest
#

A bit eww yeah

novel star
#

gameplay is soo much smoother with sbs

snow quest
#

Tried the bleed build a bit in 10-12 range, was kinda fun

kindred hinge
#

The joy of sin this patch you can run w/e it's more or less the same outcome

novel star
#

damage wise yes

#

but then you have people come in and tell you to trade OP utility for damage

#

by dropping iron wire

#

and you want to put your head into a woodchipper

#

šŸ™ƒ

runic hinge
#

and not even a lot of damage

kindred hinge
#

But my overall bro? What's the point of finishing a key if I don't get my .05%??!

novel star
#

nah bro, every bit matters in high keys Cluegi just get good

dense badger
#

I feel like dropping IW in GB, NW, SV etc at high level is trolling

west crown
#

Don’t listen to Varas, he doesn’t even do high keys

dense badger
#

Especially if you’re pugging, those extra 5 seconds of no casts going off is heaven

kindred hinge
#

I mean it also depend if you are pugging or not. IW is dropped in coordinated teams on some dj because it is not needed. But in pugs? Yeah inting

west crown
#

In low keys IW is basically the majority of a pull

dense badger
#

I mean the groups pushing 15s and up are playing Prot Pal and Aug and are full pre-made. In that environment I can understand dropping IW

grim plover
#

Im struggeling on st in keys.. what is the secret? I finish bosses on like 850-950k ish

cloud basin
#

If i had an issue I'd swap šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø i don't though

novel star
dense badger
novel star
#

we have to drop a lot of really big st talents

#

to get aoe dam for our m+ build

#

its unlucky

west crown
snow quest
#

Even if you compromise, st will still suck

novel star
dense badger
#

What’s the highest numbers everyone’s hit here with opener btw? On aoe ofc

blazing pumice
#

like 10m

grim plover
kindred hinge
#

And around 12-15

#

12-15m

spice surge
#

Most augs do no damage

royal lantern
dense badger
kindred hinge
#

Yeah they are still stuck in DF mindset while good aug now do a good chunk of damage and should be second dps

dense badger
#

Yeah bro was an insane player

kindred hinge
#

Looking at prescience and ebon might uptime is not a good way to see if they were good or not in TWW

subtle tundra
#

yea. uh 1mil isnt

#

they dont do great dmg, but tank dps

dense badger
#

I mean he was 620 in a 13 I think he did fine

subtle tundra
#

if they did that low dmg you wouldnt play them

#

youd actually get capped by dps instead of survival

dense badger
#

I don’t play them, I play rogue

subtle tundra
#

you do play them

#

in your group

dense badger
#

Pug, not my group

subtle tundra
#

you just said you did

dense badger
#

I don’t play them

kindred hinge
#

Aug are not even an improvement on team damage if not mdinteams would run them. They are utility bot with medium damage but most aug you see do sub par damage

cloud basin
#

Just feels like a lot of bad players can hide behind playing aug

cobalt sphinx
#

not such a bad thing

#

play janna if you suck

dense badger
#

It’s definitely rare to come across a good aug

kindred hinge
#

Janna need skills. Yuumi though

cloud basin
#

I mean my raid group has one, but even he swaps devastation for some fights in raid

dense badger
#

Aug gotta be the most boring class surely

spice surge
#

But again, top runs

#

The average one is not doing it

kindred hinge
#

Yeah in my previous message I said they are second DPS

cobalt sphinx
#

EU looks like it's fallen out of love with frost dk

kindred hinge
#

And that most aug are boosted/stuck in DF mindset and doing subpar

#

In 14/15 I actively avoid them. Not worth it in most dj

normal mist
#

cheers

blazing pumice
#

pvp lmao

kindred hinge
#

January

cobalt sphinx
#

jan 6

#

when the anniversary event ends, we are taking back the white house

kindred hinge
#

Same for Bruto if you want to get gold to buy it

cobalt sphinx
#

you can get so many tokens

#

it's really easy to buy all sets

normal mist
#

after the first 100

kindred hinge
#

As soon as you get 100 token you start to farm them exponentially

normal mist
#

its really easy

#

google it

kindred hinge
#

Calculus

west crown
#

This dude is 12

normal mist
#

after the first 100 you can farm them whenever you want

west crown
#

Exponent is algebra

normal mist
#

ALL weekly quests award tokens

cobalt sphinx
#

LMFAO

#

ME TOO

#

i actually have billions of usd

blazing pumice
#

i'm actually elon musk

west crown
#

Making money isn’t an excuse to not learn

tepid mantle
#

how do you sim for high keys 12+?

cobalt sphinx
#

i thought you didn't care about usa, why are you hoarding our money

tepid mantle
#

any difference to keys below 12?

normal mist
#

there we go

tepid mantle
#

as everything lives longer

void kestrel
#

You’re an engineer who doesn’t know math?

west crown
#

^

cobalt sphinx
blazing pumice
#

he pvps

#

it's clearly a 12 year old

void kestrel
#

Can we ban the trolls in chat

tepid mantle
cobalt sphinx
#

yup

normal mist
#

Cheers

hollow river
west crown
#

He’s an arab prince, let him whale

hollow river
balmy condor
#

!ban @strange python troll bait

clever sapphire
west crown
#

LMAO

cobalt sphinx
#

chill guy is also the worst meme of all time

balmy condor
#

You’re telling me his discord account was made less than a month ago?

#

Something tells me he’s been banned a couple times before

gloomy heart
#

@balmy condor what did i miss

balmy condor
#

Some herb showed up and said Americans should die and Arabs are scum, most low quality ragebait ever

west crown
#

jake will not be missed

balmy condor
#

So he got the boot

gloomy heart
#

wtf

#

LOL

west crown
#

Can’t wait to meet kyle in a month

balmy condor
runic hinge
#

same

spice spire
runic hinge
#

he's in beans land now

rotund oak
#

Who is Kyle sus

balmy condor
balmy condor
spice spire
runic hinge
#

The UK

balmy condor
#

But the uk imports all their beans

spice spire
hollow river
#

USA beans being eaten by the bri'ish

rotund oak
hollow river
gusty mirage
balmy condor
spice spire
blazing jewel
runic hinge
spice spire
cerulean maple
#

question for queen ansurek

#

what packs in p2 do yall pop cds on

#

i saved for p3 and ended up only #4 overall dps (top boss dmg) bc i just.. spent like a minute and a half not using cds

lyric coral
#

hey guys i just played with assa on m+ and he stuns all adds for 10s i think , what talent is that ?

cerulean maple
#

u mean for the orbs?

#

there's a thing that makes blind AoE

#

disorient

#

dmg breaks it tho iirc

lyric coral
#

dmg didn't break it

short night
#

does anyone hvae a plater mod that sets nameplate color based on missing dot, but also accounts for pandemic?

keen spruce
#

AoE silence

#

And AoE blind of talented

#

If*

#

But damage breaks blind

royal lantern
#

rogue has no aoe stun

#

it has a disorient

icy nacelle
#

do you guys use kidney shot in m+? sometimes im out of kick and blind but i want/need to cc a casting mob. but wasting cp on this feels bad imo

novel star
#

its good when its needed

#

bad when its not

#

simply make the call

winged gust
#

wait can kidney shot be broken by dmg?

icy nacelle
#

imo no

novel star
winged gust
#

oh sick

novel star
#

what answer do u want

#

kidney shot is a long stun

royal lantern
#

tf does "imo no" mean lol

novel star
#

sometimes its good, sometimes its whatever

royal lantern
#

you stun if you need a stun

#

there is no opinion on it

novel star
#

theres no opinion about it its just a utility thing

#

yea

#

very situational

icy nacelle
novel star
#

ah

icy nacelle
#

ill use it as a "oh fuck my mates are useless" button on important cast

#

but didnt know if i should, or spend it on rupture or CT

novel star
#

the resources you spend on it really arent that big of a deal in m+

#

energy is fake and cp is like 1/2 fans

#

you lose 2/3 dps gcds instead of 1 like other classes, big deal who cares

#

if the stun was good it was good

#

no point stressing about it

cobalt sphinx
#

how does the tailoring stun work

#

is it aoe

icy nacelle
past bobcat
#

is void reap kinda ass for keys or?

west crown
#

Who what now

#

Contract?

brazen sluice
#

hi can we use oils on our weapons? and if yes which one we looking for?

past bobcat
#

yeah contract

spice spire
spice spire
brazen sluice
#

ty

spice spire
brazen sluice
#

there is whetstone and weightstone same attk power but diffrent duration

balmy condor
#

no

#

weightstone is for blunt weapons

#

whetstone is for sharp

#

you can't use weightstones on daggers

#

same duration same attack power for both

brazen sluice
#

ahh kk ty

errant mauve
#

whats macro /use for tinket and which trinket is which number

royal lantern
#

upper trinket slot is 13, lower is 14

#

14 is the correct one, only savages put their active trinket on 13

errant mauve
#

whats the input for the macro look like

royal lantern
#

#showtooltip Deathmark

/use Deathmark
/use 14

spice spire
spice spire
#

Or I’ll shut them with mine (I’m sorry)

quartz hawk
#

hello i suck hard on boss in m+ content 13/14 , any tips boys ?

balmy condor
#

change specs

royal lantern
#

assa does low ST dmg in keyss

#

just how it is

quartz hawk
#

yeah i think its me being bad tho , or i didnt understood some mono concept

balmy condor
#

maintain garrote/rupture always, kb every minute, deathmark/vanish every 2

royal lantern
#

nah, assa ST in keys is just not that good

balmy condor
#

shiv every 30 seconds

#

every minute your shiv is during kingsbane

#

ggwp

#

spam envenom

quartz hawk
#

this part is ok , i mean have the big lines

#

but im always low energy

balmy condor
#

yes

#

that's how the spec works

#

!design

prisma monolithBOT
#

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

  • No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
  • 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
  • You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target
royal lantern
#

ye

static glacier
#

!gcdcapsinbuild

#

i've cooked it

#

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMmZmZMzMYAAAAAAY2GsNDAAAAAAxMzMzMzYMzMLz2MzMzAMzMGzsZbmBAAAEACgFA this build and you only ever build with FoK / Gar should technically have max apm

balmy condor
late kestrel
#

did the hybrid build change in the last few weeks? i see on wowhead now it picks up without a trace rather than recuperator/supercharger down the middle

earnest remnant
molten flicker
keen spruce
#

licence and registration

#

step out of the goddamn vehicle

mellow goblet
#

CMQAKdezd4ze564f6ze54f65ze4f65ze4f6zefzefzefzefZEEEEEEEAZEDAZFAZF4AZ56F4A654GA65Z4G6A54G65AE4G65A4EG65A4EG65465 this is not talent page i just sneezed mb

fickle quest
#

when are we taking sudden demise over twist?

molten flicker
#

when we want sudden demise šŸ™‚

keen spruce
#

I never take SD

molten flicker
#

same

keen spruce
#

maybe if i'm doin vault fillers

#

and i wanna pad

fickle quest
keen spruce
spice spire
late kestrel
#

io think i like sudden demise tho

#

or do i not idek

subtle tundra
#

yes i like sudden demise

#

i play it everywhere

humble verge
#

hmmmm

#

SB over TTK in high keys

#

im considering

late kestrel
#

whats taken instead of sudden demise?

subtle tundra
#

depends on dungeon

late kestrel
#

i cant see where it swaps

novel star
#

if you drop sd its to take ttk

#

and vice versa

#

generally

cyan karma
shut aspen
#

sadist with no ironwire

balmy condor
coral ibex
#

emplussers

clever sapphire
#

i like not taking iron wire with fotm pala tanks, if i will suffer a fotm player, they better do all the kicks

balmy condor
cyan karma
#

I just feel safer… keys are more likely to brick from casts going off compared to not doing enough damage… that’s what I’ve been telling my self anyway

balmy condor
#

true

stray adder
#

if you dont take IW you're a padder

humble verge
#

maybe i should just take

clever sapphire
balmy condor
humble verge
#

SB over IW

balmy condor
#

very based chat

humble verge
#

kekw

clever sapphire
#

dashing over iron wire

humble verge
#

VV over IW kekw

clever sapphire
#

jokes aside, i even took iron wire in city of trash