assassination

[novel star]

people don’t take fb for 2 reasons

[blissful pecan]

but its not at same time

[faint vessel]

bait n switch bbbb

[safe shale]

Fbs p good, but only if you get capstone in your opener

If not, gg

From my experience that is

[novel star]

1 is the luck thing

2 is just no one actually gives a fuck and they look at the most common one and just copy it

we love statistics

[blissful pecan]

ok im taking fatebound on this weeks raid

[novel star]

so awesome

[safe shale]

Nah Fb just too rng so people dont waste time with it

[novel star]

yes that’s why i said that as point 1

but the 2nd one is still extremely real

[slow marsh]

i thought it was a bugged interaction holding FB back too

[safe shale]

Im just saying against point 2, that DS is all round better

[novel star]

people come in here too often talking about muh archon!!! muh top parses!!!

[faint vessel]

you may feel the loss of step CDR, and not havign the physical/magic DR on evasion/cloak since from what Ive read youre pretty late in mythic raid

[novel star]

when it doesn’t mean shit

[blissful pecan]

but this week's raid buff is 10% no?

[coral ibex]

its 8 and change

[blissful pecan]

pretty sure they cant hurt me that bad

[coral ibex]

buff says 9%

[faint vessel]

isnt that just outgoing healiing/damage? does it reduce inc?

I barely pay attention to it and just know it makes damage go up

[coral ibex]

it also increases healing taken

but no damage reduction

[faint vessel]

yeah so increased healing

[blissful pecan]

its baiscly versatility i believe

[faint vessel]

so big damage incoming is still big dam incoming

[blissful pecan]

im only gonna try on sikran anyways

that thing does 0 dmg now

[safe shale]

I swear this is the worst type of player

[faint vessel]

yeah i mean youll be fine

[safe shale]

"into 14?"

they know fine well that when you searching 14, they come up and they hope you dont notice

[orchid tree]

Lets run an all assassin comp

[blissful pecan]

damn now we are on 11th week

vault doesnt help my dps that much now

[safe shale]

what ilvl are you?

[blissful pecan]

637

[orchid tree]

what

Insane lol

[sullen phoenix]

guys is it possible to move our combo points around our screen?

[safe shale]

damn the luck

[faint vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/playing-violin-so-sad-gif-6678563984232866199

[blissful pecan]

i need mythic cloak asap

been stuck on 619 cloak entire season

[safe shale]

easy to get at least

[faint vessel]

for why?

normal wings?

[blissful pecan]

nah just random hero cloaks

dont wanna spend cresent to this thing

[faint vessel]

youre 637, youre kinda running out of places to spend em!

[strange python]

Ur 637 I think u can spare some

[safe shale]

lol

weird thing to say XD

[blissful pecan]

im thinking of crafting a piece

[safe shale]

Im 635 and ahve no where to spend my crests

[blissful pecan]

for this weeks cresent

[faint vessel]

I mean at this point yeah just craft the 636

if youre 637 and havent spent this week youre about to hit the point where your cap exceeds spendable crests other than crafting

tempt the great vault and craft a 636 cloak, boom, mythic wings on tuesday 🙂

[blissful pecan]

rashanan cape looks so good tho

hope i can get it this week on raid

[safe shale]

What prog are you?

[blissful pecan]

doing court

but its hella expensive, probs gonna go up to 1M gold

[safe shale]

and ulgrax cloak hasnt dropped?

XD

[blissful pecan]

yeah

[safe shale]

expensive?

what

[coral ibex]

gdkp in retail

[royal lantern]

what

[blissful pecan]

we dont roll dice in our servers

we do auctoing with golds

[visual sun]

Nah, just cope for next weeks vault. Then do the same after opening next week

[safe shale]

You joking

[royal lantern]

loot council??????

[blissful pecan]

nah fr

[coral ibex]

thats insane lmao

[safe shale]

Thats cringe asf

You pay for your gear

[royal lantern]

what the fuck is that backwater shit server

[safe shale]

and are basically samer ilvl as me ahahhaah

[blissful pecan]

and if noone buys it, we just disenchant and spare gold hahaha

[royal lantern]

progress fights and then buy the gear?

[blissful pecan]

yeah

[royal lantern]

rl is scamming 19 people

[blissful pecan]

so baiscly

[royal lantern]

[safe shale]

You playing the game wrongXD

[blissful pecan]

raiders buy gold

[safe shale]

AHAHAHAHAHAH

Losers

sorry

[blissful pecan]

and rl has like 2M gold right?

[royal lantern]

"do the fight for me and then pay me gold for the items lol"

[blissful pecan]

they just divide by 20

and spare golds

to everyone

[safe shale]

yall waste money

[blissful pecan]

thats how it goes

[safe shale]

and are the same ilvl as me

[coral ibex]

they're not taking an admin cut?

[royal lantern]

that would be the quickes gquit ever

[royal lantern]

ofc they do lol

[blissful pecan]

some are doing n+1

[royal lantern]

they scam their people allready

[safe shale]

n+1?

[blissful pecan]

some just divides equally

[safe shale]

tf is that

[royal lantern]

fu ming gdkp in 2024

[coral ibex]

it means they take 2 cuts

[royal lantern]

actual joke

[blissful pecan]

so they take 2 ppl worth of gold

[safe shale]

No

hes trolling

[coral ibex]

they are scamming you

lmfao

thats so wild

[blissful pecan]

nah fr

[safe shale]

There is no way his guild are sitting there doing gdkp

[coral ibex]

the RL is selling the gold btw

[safe shale]

in retail

[blissful pecan]

everyone in this server

[coral ibex]

you are paying their rent

[safe shale]

thats like a known scam

[blissful pecan]

do this

[safe shale]

in this server?

what you talking about

[blissful pecan]

so if you roll the dice

[safe shale]

Shits cross realm gbro

[blissful pecan]

you just get banned from the community

no one takes you to raid

haha

[safe shale]

Id just get banned

And go find another guild?

[blissful pecan]

nah guild doesnt accept you

[coral ibex]

why would you pay for items you worked to get drop from the boss you killed

wtf

its so backwards

[safe shale]

What do you mean

guild doesnt accept you?

[royal lantern]

what server

[coral ibex]

you are literally paying the RL's rent btw

[royal lantern]

name

[blissful pecan]

Korea

[safe shale]

Play a different server>?

HELLO

[blissful pecan]

theres baiscly one server running active

Azshara

not many ppl here play this game bro

very small community

[safe shale]

Thats insanity

[blissful pecan]

it takes like 2 hrs to get in a key

[safe shale]

Yall just single handedly

Pay blizzard

Your one server

[coral ibex]

yea cuz everyone over there apparently thinks they should get paid to do anything

[safe shale]

Is the problemhahahahah

[coral ibex]

so stupid

[blissful pecan]

yeah

its just culture difference

and i hate it

but what can u do

[safe shale]

culture difference

[blissful pecan]

u just have to follow the rules

[safe shale]

Makeshift rules

Id just not play the game

if it was gonna cost me 500 a month

hahahahaahah

[coral ibex]

so you either are forced to buy gold from blizz or whoever or you have to farm gold like a fucking peon

🤡

[blissful pecan]

nah

[safe shale]

That server is probably the issue

they all need so much gold

[blissful pecan]

theres lots of ways to earn gold here

[safe shale]

that they all sit and bot

for their raid

hahhaah

[royal lantern]

hows the connection to OCE servers

[blissful pecan]

so if you go on a heroic raid as a "player"

and theres "customers"

[coral ibex]

oh true yea they love to bot over on that side of the world

[blissful pecan]

baiscly you clear raid for them

[coral ibex]

yea we do sales over here too

[blissful pecan]

and get around 20k gold

[safe shale]

yeah thats what we do everywhere

[coral ibex]

fucking chump buyers

[safe shale]

Thats no special

[coral ibex]

i can't believe its real

every time i do a sale

[blissful pecan]

OCE ping is terrible

[royal lantern]

oof

[safe shale]

fyi people that pay for boosts in eu/us are insane too imo

buying gear

Is nuts

[blissful pecan]

no for real, there actually are ppl who do raids to "do a living"

fucking sad tbh

[safe shale]

Am literally higher ilvl than 99% of your sever, and ive never bought gold

[coral ibex]

yea we know

thats why they do gdkp

[safe shale]

and yall say "culture diff"

[coral ibex]

so you pay their rent for them

[safe shale]

is crazy

[blissful pecan]

they make 7 raid party or smt per day

to earn gold -> to pay for living

[safe shale]

and bot the rest?

[blissful pecan]

so fucking crigne

[coral ibex]

yea and the raid environment is toxic as fuck because its their job

they're not playing for fun

they have to raid to have a home

[safe shale]

Yeah its irl their job

so they sell your gold

[coral ibex]

pathetic

get a fucking job

[blissful pecan]

they only take 95+ logged player

[coral ibex]

[blissful pecan]

hahaha

yeah...

i hope it gets better tho

[safe shale]

Why do you even play this game?

[coral ibex]

gkdp "raid leader" leeches are bottom rungs of society

[blissful pecan]

cuz i like this game

[safe shale]

Like legit

[visual sun]

Just go maplestory bro

[safe shale]

You like the game that much

you pay most peoples rent each month

on gear

[blissful pecan]

maplestory is even more sad

[safe shale]

that i get for free

[coral ibex]

surely there are other people on your server who dont want to pay for their raid loot

like

you can find 19 others

surely

[safe shale]

Yeah ofc

there will be guilds that are against it

and he just cba looking

Bec he can swipe faster

[blissful pecan]

nah bro

theres like 40+ years old ppl guild only

who does that

[safe shale]

dude if there are folk paying for boosts, there are folk not wanting to pay for gear

[blissful pecan]

and they cant prog after sikran

[safe shale]

How much you pay blizzard each week?

[blissful pecan]

not week

about 15 usd per month

[safe shale]

how much gold you buy?

[blissful pecan]

but i just buy tokens

i dont buy golds

[safe shale]

THATS THE SAME THING

[blissful pecan]

i bought brutosaur tho

[safe shale]

buying a token

is buying gold

So how many wow tokens do you buy a week?

[blissful pecan]

nah with wow golds i just purchase tokens

i dont use real money to get wow golds

[safe shale]

you use tokens for gold?

[blissful pecan]

the other way around

[safe shale]

what

You just said you pay 15 USD a month

for sub

[blissful pecan]

only first time

[safe shale]

why are you buying tokens?

[blissful pecan]

tho

i paid when i started playing

and didnt pay again

[safe shale]

So how you make your gold

[blissful pecan]

by going on raids

[safe shale]

15 per day?

[blissful pecan]

nah

1 per week

2 i guess now

heroic and mythic

[safe shale]

and you make how much gold?

[blissful pecan]

heroic gives me 150000 gold

mythic depends on that day

token is worth 120000 gold

[shell hazel]

Why is haste gear simming higher for M+

[blissful pecan]

so 1 week raid is enough to pay for a monthly game time

[safe shale]

and you raid just every single day?

[blissful pecan]

no

i raid twice a week

i only have 1 character

[safe shale]

Okay so get this, you raid
twice a week,
you dont pay for a sub with irl money
you buy gear with gold

[blissful pecan]

gears arent that expensive except the rare ones

[safe shale]

Somewhere here, you are lying, because if you dont buy gold, and only earn through 2 raids a week, how are you 637

[blissful pecan]

it costs 20000 on average per piece

20000 golds

[visual sun]

All this from a hero track cape

[safe shale]

So where are you getting 200000 each week?

to end up at 637 ilvl

[blissful pecan]

by doing a raid?

[safe shale]

you are buying multiple each time

surely

[blissful pecan]

i have around 1M gold now

just by doing a raid tho

[safe shale]

Do you do m+?

[blissful pecan]

havent used real money

yeah

but only for vault mostly

[warm vortex]

Just pickpocket people

Ez money

I remember a macro that like

[safe shale]

Hey man, if you enjoy it, im not gonna say anything else then f it

[warm vortex]

would say
x name stole

[blissful pecan]

i mean im not saying that this system is cringe as fuck

[warm vortex]

then it would say like

[blissful pecan]

but what can i do

[warm vortex]

43g 53s and 4c for example

[blissful pecan]

i am stuck on this server bro

[warm vortex]

was fun

[blissful pecan]

have to play by this rule

[safe shale]

I guess so

[warm vortex]

Tbh i just have 5 chars at max getting a supurb beast fang every da

seems to be enough for nwo

[gloomy hinge]

What overall is decent in a 13 siege?

ik its on the lower end of damage

[safe shale]

Thats just you bro

[nocturne sorrel]

Is it possible to create a macro that casts Deathmark, then kingsbane, but be able to cast kingsbane is deathmark is on cool down?

[safe shale]

Cant really answer that

because it depends on the pulls

route

augmentation

Team comp

[gloomy hinge]

Standard pug routes with no augment ig

[blissful pecan]

i dont think you can macro two gcd abilities

[gloomy hinge]

A ballpark

average

[blissful pecan]

not a good idea

[safe shale]

Idk, what was your overall?

[gloomy hinge]

1.5

felt low

[safe shale]

Thats very low

[gloomy hinge]

1 death mid pack

with giant

[safe shale]

Even still

thats extremely low

[gloomy hinge]

hmmm

yeah maybe im playing siege wrong

then

[blissful pecan]

wait isnt that average

i get around 1.5M as well

[safe shale]

No XD

[gloomy hinge]

feels like i should have more

for sure

[nocturne sorrel]

You can with /castsequence and pressing it multiple times, but it stops if an ability is on cool down.

[safe shale]

No 1.5 overall for 13 at 633 is low

[gloomy hinge]

Issue is theres so much stuff that dies incredibly quick

[safe shale]

Yeah idk man think youve gone wrong somewhere

gimmie two seconds i acan find my 13 seig

[blissful pecan]

how much dps is ideal for 13 keys?

[gloomy hinge]

Hmmm

[shy creek]

ideal

idle

[gloomy hinge]

I mean siege is the key

[shy creek]

ykw i see how that happened

LMFOA

[gloomy hinge]

i hit incredibly bad numbers on

[cobalt sphinx]

1.5 is not bad in siege

[gloomy hinge]

i think my cd usage must be really bad

[safe shale]

I dont think ive done a key recently with less that 1.8-1.9

[cobalt sphinx]

siege is a pretty low damage key

[gloomy hinge]

augment or no?

what keylevel

higher keylevel = higher damage for rogue

[blissful pecan]

i feel like i cant do much dmg cuz of ST bosses on m+

[royal lantern]

dmg overall is a meaningless statistic that you cant compare, so idk what yout endgoal is rn

[blissful pecan]

i barely do 1M

[safe shale]

No i never run with aug atm

[royal lantern]

like, 900other things play into dmg overall

[blissful pecan]

yeah

[safe shale]

So my recent seig i did 1.78m seig 13

[blissful pecan]

like tank pulls

[royal lantern]

where most are not even in your hand

[gloomy hinge]

OKAAAY

HES A LIAR BOYSSSSS

[blissful pecan]

if ur tank does a chain pulling

then my dmg goes 💀

[safe shale]

"i dont think"

[royal lantern]

then you play wrong

[gloomy hinge]

double vanish

is the way

[royal lantern]

if your tank chainpulls, your dmg goes up lol

[blissful pecan]

how come?

[gloomy hinge]

Shyirasky what io are you?

[royal lantern]

not pulling is literally what makes you do less dmg

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah 1.5 is not that bad in a siege 10 pug

[blissful pecan]

i cannot stealth unless i use vanish

isnt that kinda irretating

[safe shale]

3030

[gloomy hinge]

OKAY

SMASH

[safe shale]

Nahh hahaha

lol

[gloomy hinge]

XD

wanna check

[blissful pecan]

i always thought chainpulling on assa rogue is annoying

[gloomy hinge]

stream

maybe u can tell me

[safe shale]

i believe xD

[gloomy hinge]

if im doing something bad

[safe shale]

what?

[gloomy hinge]

u have alot more dmg than me

so i might be misplaying

[cobalt sphinx]

It’s pretty bad when done wrong

[safe shale]

What build you playing?

[cobalt sphinx]

It’s usually always done wrong

[gloomy hinge]

double vanish

[blissful pecan]

but

[blissful pecan]

i dont wanna use vanish for 3 spiders pull on ararka right?

like these situations

[safe shale]

Im still using sudden demise

[blissful pecan]

its rly annoying

[safe shale]

over twist the knife

Feel like twist the knife is better in like 15-18 etc

but sudden demise still feels strong in 13-14

might be wrong, but thats what i play atm

[safe shale]

Its so dependant on many things

Like pressing FAN FAN RUP > FAN FAN RUP> FAN FAN FAN RUP

always feels bad

But sometimes you ahve to do that

[blissful pecan]

yeah i mean if two mid-big pulls are chained together i can just press vanish but

[safe shale]

Not as much now though

[blissful pecan]

if tank goes for weak trash mobs for chainpull

[safe shale]

I also play night elf for extra vanish

[blissful pecan]

that be nice

sad that im stuck to vulpera forever

[safe shale]

Like you stand like 8 yard away, meld stealth, open freely again

[blissful pecan]

hope they do something about vulpera abilities someday

this patch doesnt do shit to it i think

[safe shale]

Doubt theyll ever touch it XD

[blissful pecan]

yeah think so as well

cuz vulpera is kinda made for achievements / convenience

not raiding or m+

[safe shale]

Why cant you swap?

[blissful pecan]

I started wow this season with my girlfriend and my friend

All with vulpera

Dont wanna swap and break this trio haha

[cobalt sphinx]

Damn min that is cute as hell

[spice spire]

Just lil guys going on an adventure

[gloomy hinge]

Everytime i've tried it hasnt been possible to entire stealth from shadowmeld

enter*

[slate crown]

you god damn what the hell how a homie got friends this good

happy for you

[ebon notch]

how popular is wow in korea

[forest nacelle]

was this english?

[gloomy hinge]

Vulpera...

Furry behavior.

[blissful pecan]

Not so much

[forest nacelle]

also its nice having friends 😄

[slate crown]

Damn tell me you don't know how to read without telling me you don't know how to read my head shake shake

https://tenor.com/view/atw-among-the-wild-nuggets-entertainment-nuggets-amongthewild-gif-10045612695831037658

[forest nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-not-braining-gif-11479946998342116333

[slate crown]

sign me up where's this place at

[forest nacelle]

NJ.

[tall flint]

Is there a method to make my thistle tea not automatically get used at low energy? I would like to choose when to use it myself instead of whatever its got going on

[slate crown]

Nope, it's baked into the talent.

It's not that big of a deal if it procs

[gloomy hinge]

energy managmenet.

[slate crown]

you just have to avoid dropping that low

[forest nacelle]

just bind to shiv, use it for the mastery 😄

[gloomy hinge]

in aoe it will never drop that low

In single target, just manage energy

[tall flint]

yea I just want to use thistle tea with shiv but I will accidentally press mutilate one too many times

[slate crown]

If that upsets you you aren't alone it's something many have complained about. Just know you have to just manage your energy, and even if it does auto pop, it's not the end of the world

[gloomy hinge]

You will fix by getting better

[forest nacelle]

but, i want my tea. on my time.

😠

[tall flint]

[forest nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/tea-penguin-stare-interesting-pudgy-gif-7369438455274653557

[cobalt sphinx]

i just mash my buttons and if i waste it i waste it

as long as it isn't in the last 2 seconds of combat

then i'm mad

[spice spire]

Common mikedawg W

[static glacier]

I mean it's a smaller diff than getting a single envenom parried im pretty sure

it's like alacrity, you just shouldn't care about it

[jaunty lotus]

Not losing my mark on heroic court requires more brainpower than I have available

seriously, couldn't they just make it return to you if it's removed from a boss for any reason?

[atomic relic]

guys
is that possible sim be wrong?

[strange python]

guys can u send [Bronze Celebration Token] to alts?
or from alts to main?

[jaunty lotus]

Yes, you can freely transfer them

[strange python]

how?

[balmy condor]

elaborate

[jaunty lotus]

go on the character you want the thing to be on, click on it, click transfer

[strange python]

how do i transfer them?

[strange python]

what? thing to be on? its in my currency tab right?

[jaunty lotus]

Yeah, click on it on the currency tab

there'll be a huge transfer button

[strange python]

yes

[strange python]

aha ok i see

i try transfer darkmonn faire tokens, it doesnt let me? why not?

[atomic relic]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/41vcLrKR5KQ42C2V3gDs9B

[jaunty lotus]

Not all currencies are transferable

[balmy condor]

uh huh....

[jaunty lotus]

If you hover over them, you'll see a little fireplace with an arrow, that means transferable

[strange python]

i clicked it

it doesnt let me

[atomic relic]

check this pls with lowering my versa and making crit my main sec stat i get higher damage xD

[balmy condor]

yes?

whats weird about that

[jaunty lotus]

That's an outlaw sim

Probably the weirdest part of it all

[strange python]

ok it works now, i had to turn off all addons

[balmy condor]

yeah okay

and?

[atomic relic]

i mean vers is my main stat and bring it from 23% too 19%

[balmy condor]

the boots are 10 ilvl higher

[atomic relic]

and make crit 24%

[balmy condor]

idc bout the numbers

ngl

but like you're shuffling some secondaries around

and then upgrading your boots by 10 ilvl

yeah, that's going to be better

[atomic relic]

hmmm

[strange python]

you can transfer timewarped badges this expanison also now or?

[atomic relic]

so its okk its not wrong i go with this sim?

[balmy condor]

yes

[atomic relic]

ah kk thank you

[balmy condor]

I don't know what the issue is tbh

like this is

very uncontroversial tbh

completely normal sim

[jaunty lotus]

You can, you can see the transferable currencies on the currency tab by hovering on them, if there's a small fireplace icon with an arrow it's transferable

[atomic relic]

i was thinking alot of crit isnt good and more haste / vers will make magic hahah

now i found out crit isnt bad that much

[strange python]

even from alliance to horde and so on?

[jaunty lotus]

any character in your warband, so yes

[atomic relic]

i disbaled every buff and flask things from sim too make sure too xD

[strange python]

nice

[jaunty lotus]

stats aren't static, their value fluctuate, that's why using stat weights isn't a thing anymore. If the sim says more crit good, then great. If you continue gaining crit, it may stop saying that, that's normal.

[acoustic violet]

whetstone or mana oil gents?

[atomic relic]

@balmy condor bro i found out i was checking items when i was on assassin talent that was why my vers was lower than my crit xD i bring back my talent too outlaw now stats are fine xDD haha

[cyan trellis]

is heroic seal better than mythic shoulders?

[atomic relic]

sim it

[limber swallow]

whetstone

[runic hinge]

Probably. Ring is very good and shoulders are just shoulders. How likely are you to see the ring again

[gloomy hinge]

socket ring? opinions?

[proud tangle]

This is the logic I go with too, even if shoulders compete in sims I’d still go ring because of rarity

[upper oak]

we still pooling in keys yeah?

[polar rampart]

yeah easier to get more shoulders, especially if you can get into an early mythic clear

[old halo]

get gud Duel Me

[atomic relic]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1305678253821788290/pewpew.gif

[orchid tree]

You want to pop vanish before KB and shiv before KB ends right?

[novel star]

you vanish the last 6s of kb

and shiv the last 8

or shiv the entire thing if you have 2nd charge talented (raid builds)

[gloomy heart]

I feel like i do everything correctly but i only parse like , 85

[valid pulsar]

if i craft weapon i do crit/mastery?

[tired girder]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[novel star]

you can honestly just craft without a missive and be fine

but sure

do crit mastery if it makes you feel good inside

[valid pulsar]

ty papa

[spice spire]

np

[outer marsh]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[gloomy heart]

i hate loot thiefs

takes a myth track chest bc it has a speed tert

[loud dome]

i'm doing such shit ST in keys ;s

idk

[gloomy heart]

Yeah welcome to assa rogue

We love our bad ST

[loud dome]

yeah but im fucking something up dude

[gloomy heart]

Nope

It just sucks

[loud dome]

should be doing at least 1 mil at 631

[gloomy heart]

Depends on the fight brotha

I usually do like 800-900k

if theres fights with mobs

1.5-3mil

like first boss in SOB

i fucking crank

[loud dome]

did a sv

beat on ST by a 616 ww

[gloomy heart]

yeah they got buffed and good ST

dont stress it

[loud dome]

thanks

[gloomy heart]

Np

[wild thorn]

nerf ww

[short night]

why dont you envenom before cds?

on opener

[wild thorn]

huh

[balmy condor]

we do

[wild thorn]

i envenom before cds

[visual sun]

!wa

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[wild thorn]

and keep envenom up during the whole kingsbane window

[short night]

ami missing something?

[balmy condor]

yes

[wild thorn]

thats the cooldown sequence

not opener

[short night]

i dont see envenom before cds

[balmy condor]

-> proceed to cooldown sequence

[short night]

im talking about aoe opener because thats the pic i linked

[balmy condor]

okay

[short night]

i know st has an envenom before cd sequence

[balmy condor]

again

[short night]

aoe doesnt tho

[balmy condor]

yes

aoe it's too slow

you can if you'd like

it's the same logic

[short night]

gotcha makes sense, yeah it uses ane xtra 3 globals baically

it seems

gotcha

cuz u gotta envenom then build up again

just double checking

thanks

[balmy condor]

np

[short night]

if you dont have Shrouded Suffocation, but the garrote brings you to 5+ cp, can you skip the first mutilate?

[wild thorn]

you need to proc deathstalker

7 cp

[short night]

why would i need to proc deathstalker on rupture

[wild thorn]

wait my wa might be fucked

[balmy condor]

what

okay

lets take a step back

[short night]

err,, i thought he said DN

[foggy thicket]

Guys, how many haste % should we have for raids?

[balmy condor]

that's not a thing

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[balmy condor]

anyway

[wild thorn]

first ambush applies mark

[balmy condor]

we agree this is opener

so now before this right

we have 2 goals

the first is giga important

which is getting up bleeds

(can count deathstalker mark with that if you'd like)

the second if you choose is envenoming beforehand to make sure you get super duper minmax giga uptime

[loud dome]

it's also the difference that in st you have to spend a few globals to get 5cp to envenom VS in aoe where after you send deathmark and kb you can just fan and you're max

[balmy condor]

so if you're in 3 target for example

you can do this

and you're chillin

you got the mark, gar, rup

GG

[obtuse phoenix]

!wa

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[balmy condor]

throw in a CT beforehand if you like, or get it up during kingsbane

whatever

mutilate before you go into your cds for caustic

and then just cd sequence and go

[short night]

no i totally get that, im asking if you can skip the opening single target mutilate if your garrote rngs and gets you to 5 cp

[balmy condor]

well

yes

but that's not garrote rng

that's ambush rng

you'd have to be in basically a raid build

with improved ambush and no shrouded

[dapper cradle]

raid build in keys bangs

[balmy condor]

garrote isn't a hit

so it can't proc seal fate

so it'll always be 1cp, or 3cp with shrouded

[short night]

got it okay, so if you are in raid build you can skip the mutilate if u get to 5?

[balmy condor]

yes

you just never want to cast a finisher on less than 5cp

cause mark and efficiency and all that

[short night]

right right okay

appreciate the help (:

[balmy condor]

so like an insane hypothetical

lets say you're fatebound

that first ambush can get you to 5 right off the rip

you can just ambush -> rupture -> gar

like that order isn't super duper locked in

and if your mut after that garrote then is 4cp, you'd be at 5 again

and you just slam the envenom

the problem with these fucking timelines

[novel star]

fatebound feels so good…

[balmy condor]

is that the opener is conceptual

and a timeline is very rigid

it's kinda less about the exact order you press everything in

it's about doing the correct things in their order

so like bleeds before deathmark, kingsbane in the deathmark

envenom uptime during kingsbane

etc etc

[dapper cradle]

deathmark will duplicate kingsbane in the season 2 4set

[balmy condor]

like fuck it if you have 1 charge of shiv in an m+ build, and you wanna deathmark envenom kingsbane

go for it

you're not breaking any rules doing that

[wild thorn]

how does this affect lebrons legacy

[dapper cradle]

lebron doesn't play iron wire in GB

cuck shit ngl

[balmy condor]

lebrons gonna be hooping till he's fucking like 55

bro ain't got no legacy

he's just never gonna retire

can't have a legacy if you're playing the game until the heatdeath of the universe

[wild thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/kobe-kobe-bryant-gif-9013009

[wild thorn]

he like 55 right now

[balmy condor]

I thought he's turning 40 this year

[wild thorn]

close enough

[balmy condor]

I only know that cause commentators have nothing else to say every time the lakers play

[dapper cradle]

bro is built like a night elf

[balmy condor]

also think he got another triple double today against the spurs

[wild thorn]

bros cooked

[balmy condor]

mfer is a monster

[wild thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/kd-trae-young-nets-hawks-nba-gif-24100319

got that kevin durant special

[dapper cradle]

bro fought back

[wild thorn]

thats paint

[dapper cradle]

nah he went to istanbul

got that turkish delight special

[gloomy heart]

I feel like i do everything good, can someone review log

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Qg3qYVbFRahLwK8p#fight=13&type=damage-done&graphperf=1&source=3

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-low-tier-god-mods-ltg-mods-new-jersey-gif-4411202994157078106

[bright tartan]

season 2 when

[balmy condor]

that potion came in way too late brochacho

[wild thorn]

just macro it

[balmy condor]

this is a little bit of a jumble kinda out of order

[wild thorn]

with deathstalker

btw my deathstalker trinket potion macro been acting up

[balmy condor]

you kinda giga flubbed your 2 mins

[gloomy heart]

What doi do to fix it, i genually want to learn

[balmy condor]

to which

[wild thorn]

idk i feel like assa rogue st is like playing classic wow

[balmy condor]

also take this god forsaken ability off of your fucking bars I never wanna see this shit again

[dapper cradle]

imagine not farming cps with poisoned knife

ngmi

[wild thorn]

is poison bomb from envemon

that shit that busts on the ground

[balmy condor]

10 energy less than a mutilate and does 1/10th the damage and generates half the cp

incredible abilitiy

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

so like the thing here is that kingsbane is 14 seconds, deathmark is 16 right

and this shit goes hard

deathmark adds 2 bleeds and 2 poisons

so that's another 8%

that's why the sequence every time is deathmark shiv kb

could technically shiv dm kb if you really super want but it's about the same

but those 3 abilities gotta be back to back to back

cause the timing on dm giving those extra lethal dose stacks is good shit

so in your opener here

you fit the envenom in

preferably though you'd put the envenom before the deathmark

cause after the deathmark you're wasting time ya know

delaying stuff that doesn't need to be delayed

on your 2 min, this is good

problem is you follow it up with not good

because you delayed it even further

so now the kb is a full 5 seconds in

and you're just losing uptime on shiv during dm, you're losing the uptime on lethal dose stacks

so it's just less arterial, less nature dam during your doubled poisons, less kb dam

etc etc

cause they aren't stacked

[gloomy heart]

So how should my opener look

[balmy condor]

the shiv here is a second late as well, which doesn't seem like a problem, except that kb ticks every 2 seconds, it's not hasted

[gloomy heart]

Do you have a log i can see

[balmy condor]

so you missed a tick

good thing I still have this tab open

[runic hinge]

When do I press detect

[visual sun]

hallowfall orphan world quest

[gloomy heart]

I will spam prac this on a dummy

Tysm

[balmy condor]

np

[gloomy heart]

If KB is up before DM and dm is up like 5-10s later do i wait or shove

[balmy condor]

you wait

KB during DM is your entire spec

[gloomy heart]

Yeah thats my big issue then

i thought ppl shoved it

same thing reverse right

wait for KB

[balmy condor]

yes

dm doubles your poisons

so your kb ramps twice as fast

and you get more lethal dose stacks

and more amp poison

which is bigger envenom

which is during shiv

everything on top of each other is really important

[gloomy heart]

I will spam practice, i enjoy rogue but i do want to improve

[balmy condor]

cause it all intertwines

[cyan karma]

Wow so it’s really ok to shiv dm kb? That would suit me so much better the way my binds are set up

[dapper cradle]

fate intertwined

[balmy condor]

yeah that's fine

when I last checked it was within margin of error

so whatever is more comfy I guess

it's easier to support in sims with dm shiv kb cause the logic is a bit more direct, and it's been like 0.2% better in the past

but lately hasn't been really all that different

so I've just left it

[cyan karma]

Nice, it’s 1 F 2 compared to F 1 2 (F being shiv)… just how I had it set up from being on the m+ 90% of the time

[gloomy heart]

Other than that, im good?

[balmy condor]

yeh

little undergeared if you're trying to omega parse in heroic

but otherwise fine

[gloomy heart]

I just want

90 parse

[balmy condor]

you played it pretty safe too

definitely can greed it more

[gloomy heart]

That was a week old parse or some

im 633 now

[balmy condor]

perfect

but yeh parsing heroic is a nightmare

[gloomy heart]

Yeah i have like mostly purple parses

[balmy condor]

if you're not like in a guild that's giga blasting

[gloomy heart]

but i know some guilds want 90+ parses

which sucks

[wild thorn]

heroic logs kinda suck

[balmy condor]

this was a heroic clear from I think last week

[gloomy heart]

Ansurek parse gives me aids

[wild thorn]

Mythic rashanan gives me aids

[gloomy heart]

My mythic parses

are garbage

[balmy condor]

my heroic parses look great to be fair but there's some shit where it's like how tf am I supposed to parse on this

[gloomy heart]

grey gamer

[balmy condor]

like heroic ovi'nax

dude

how am I supposed to do damage

[wild thorn]

tbf its my first time playing rogue

[balmy condor]

broodtwister on heroic is a 3 min kill for us

[gloomy heart]

I join a hero court for gear and had 3 enhas doing 2.5mil each

how do i compete

3 blue fotms owning me

[gloomy heart]

Yeah ur kill time

[balmy condor]

look at these kill timings and tell me theres a god

[wild thorn]

i havent cleared heroic with guild in like 3 weeks

[fallow canopy]

that's basically heroic parsing in a nutshell

[balmy condor]

1:59 bruh

💀

I'm getting trolled

I mean I also played fatebound on all the aoe fights

so I'm not helping my case

but ya know

minor technicality

[wild thorn]

how does fatebound even work

[balmy condor]

you finish on 5

oh and during deathmark you vanish like 3 seconds earlier than normal

[gloomy heart]

Is dmark on gcd

[balmy condor]

yes

[wild thorn]

deathmark just feels garbage in m+

idk why

its so ass to play

[gloomy heart]

feels good only when youre doing 7mil dps

[balmy condor]

it's just the eternal cycle of assa m+

[gloomy heart]

LOL

im abt to stop inviting mages to my key, they just run in and take my damage

[wild thorn]

i need to start pushing bro

[balmy condor]

like assa in m+ end of bfa had a lot of burst and people were like yo pog, burst

then in shadowlands if you played venthyr it had a lot of prio burst

and at the start people went yooo pog prio burst

[wild thorn]

ive never seen a mage outdamage a assa rogue in keys

[gloomy heart]

This is my first pve season on rogue, i was 3k io in s3 on mage

[balmy condor]

and then at the end they went yo poggg this.....actually kinda sucks things die too fast

[gloomy heart]

I didnt get outdamaged but some pulls

tilted me

[balmy condor]

and then dragonflight came around and it just didn't do damage

and then it got the rework

and people went yo pogggggg burst damage and prio damage

insane value

[wild thorn]

i just like the funnel damage of assa rogue

[balmy condor]

and then season 1 now it's heyyyyyyyyy that kinda sucks I don't want this everything is dying before my kb finishes

[wild thorn]

probably the best in game

[gloomy heart]

I want more ST in keys

and itd be more fun

[balmy condor]

so I'm gonna Nostradamus predict that by the end of the expac

people are gonna pog out again over giga burst prio dam

[wild thorn]

0 + 0 is still 0

[balmy condor]

just swing the pendelum back and forth

[winged widget]

tell all of the padders to drop dead and let your crimson tempest carry it. easy

[balmy condor]

the single target thing is also funny

that's also the classic m+ pendelum

people give so much of a shit about single target

then they're like ew single target fuck that

we do more aoe and more overall

gg key fast

and then the next season

ew aoe? fuck that

I'm talenting out of CT

[wild thorn]

holy vent

[balmy condor]

full single target that's where it's at

and then the next season

ohhhhhhh bosses are so hard

need single target

and then the next season

[west crown]

Don’t banish me to raid logging

[balmy condor]

man need more aoe

[west crown]

Stop it Whispyr

[balmy condor]

and then the next

and then the next

and then the next

fuck the m+ community

[wild thorn]

im raidlogging when poe 2 comes out

fuck this game

[gloomy heart]

does whispyr not key

[balmy condor]

based

[balmy condor]

fuck no

[west crown]

Inferior opinion

[winged widget]

Full Aoe dmg while doing nothing more than ST rotation and just cleaving the dmg automatically on an overtuned spec is the go to

[balmy condor]

I've done keys since legion I'm tired of keys

[winged widget]

everything else is unplayable gg go next reroll scrub

[balmy condor]

no more of that shit

you wanna see my key history?

[wild thorn]

ARPGs > MMOs in 2024

[balmy condor]

no skardyns

I got myth transmitter

and never ran an m+ again

one month sober of m+

getting a token in the mail

happiest Ive ever been fr

my skins glowing

I'm sleeping better

my hair is thicker

[wild thorn]

hairline check

[balmy condor]

wonderful way to live life

[gloomy heart]

1 weekly key = 1% more chance at skardyns

[winged widget]

sry. dont know what that is. currently in mythic court hell

[wild thorn]

i finally got myth track skardyns

ill do my weekly keys and log off

[gloomy heart]

i got it first week of rog

LOL

[wild thorn]

spooned

i got 5 sockets in a row

[gloomy heart]

spoonfed the peasants

[winged widget]

would rather run 100 necrotic wakes with every freshcrafter casting on me automatically instead of this boring ass boss fight

[balmy condor]

I'd rather stick my balls into a beehive

m+ is actually just a miserable experience man idk

blizzards been on a crusade to make m+ less fun in any way possible

[wild thorn]

i wish they would release a new raid every week

so we would have something to do

[winged widget]

can't wait for theater of P-A-I-N

[exotic gale]

!wa

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[balmy condor]

the xalatath affixes are kinda cool and you get to giga blast with the buff

[winged widget]

and also all of the season2 dungeons from TWW suck ass

[balmy condor]

but they're like actually we're taking that away

[winged widget]

the brew place and the kobold mine holy shit

[balmy condor]

so the degenerates don't cry about push week

[wild thorn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT2tyBO7Nko

[balmy condor]

like man I just wanna log in with my friends and fucking blast

[wild thorn]

flood the chat with poe2

[balmy condor]

full send triple pull do a billion dps blow up my screen

I want to pull so many mobs the fans on my pc have to kick in

[wild thorn]

thats the poe experience

[balmy condor]

yes

great game

[wild thorn]

idk about poe 2 tho

[balmy condor]

that's how m+ was during legion as well

[wild thorn]

25 hours in 3 acts

[gloomy heart]

I just go on tournament realm and test all the bis gear to make myself happy

[balmy condor]

tol dagor beach pulls, all of maw of souls in 3 pulls

good old "pull it into the boss"

[winged widget]

i would gladly delete my details meter is they would just cut down drastically the number of casters

[balmy condor]

but now it's like every pack has 5 kicks and 3 unstoppable bolts

[wild thorn]

idk bruh i was in like 5-6th grade when legion was out

[balmy condor]

it's like brushing your teeth with a drill who fucking wants to stand there and manage kick rotations in dungeons

I want to aoe blast

[winged widget]

no difference between 10 billion mobs or 5 mobs. just so i can do my thing, things die, dodge frontals gg go boss win game be happy

[balmy condor]

I don't wanna be a kick bot

[wild thorn]

• key bricked if missed kicks

[balmy condor]

and don't get me started on pugging

anyone who pugs higher than a vault key needs professional mental help

you're telling me you sit in group finder for a half hour

doing fucking nothing

[wild thorn]

i pugged 12s and 13s

[balmy condor]

just to walk into a key

[winged widget]

+2 Aug required
+4 need lust

[balmy condor]

wipe 10 minutes in

the group disbands

[wild thorn]

yep

[balmy condor]

you wasted 45 minutes of your life doing fuck all

and then YOU DO IT AGAIN?

you fucking psychopath

[wild thorn]

adhd tunnel vision

i aint fucking sleeping until i complete the key

[short night]

do we switch to tiny spiders on queen? just got to p3 and i think im better just hitting shackles?

i assuem no dont switch

(?)

[balmy condor]

probably not

on mythic the adds should probably be close enough to get cleaved anyway

[snow kindle]

if M+ main point was blasting dmg life would be good

[balmy condor]

yeh

[snow kindle]

tired of min maxing defensives and kick rotating every pack

so tired man

[balmy condor]

like actually hot take, m+ would be instantly more fun if bosses had 50% less hp and they removed half the kicks

doing a log review for a guy and they're doing like a 6 min dungeon boss

are you ill

who wants to do that

[winged widget]

[snow kindle]

longer then some raid encounters

[balmy condor]

yeah