assassination

[spice spire]

Chill I might

[simple gulch]

What happened to black powder

[spice surge]

Black powder does indeed do damage

[golden loom]

what a lovely surprise to get home to

[warm vortex]

Oh I thought trickster was still better

[simple gulch]

[warm vortex]

Or did the DS buffs change it

[simple gulch]

Yes

It did

[spice surge]

Yesnt

[simple gulch]

Yes and no

[spice spire]

[warm vortex]

Actually been enjoying fatebound M+ lately tbh

Seing flip counts go super high is nice

Watching a 12 go to a 1 isn’t tho

[simple gulch]

Fatebound is only real on outlaw

[spice spire]

A 1

[warm vortex]

No?

ST fatebound isn’t bad

[spice spire]

Fatebound good st

[simple gulch]

Assa owns on rashanan

[warm vortex]

On boss damage yes

[spice surge]

And in general if people put the adds near the boss

But then again, the adds are pointless

[vivid terrace]

so am i dumb, or did the changes to deathstalker get added to the assa sim aswell? randomly simming 50k more on assa after patch

[warm vortex]

Aren’t you supposed to put the ads away

What DS changes?
Did I miss smth :0

[spice spire]

Sub got buffed for ds

[vivid terrace]

idk pretty sure that change got added to assa sim aswell but idk seems fake i randomly get 50k more sim after patch

[drifting cloud]

were you simming with caustic before

[vivid terrace]

nah

but im probally just dumb

doesnt matter ill take the free numbers

[warm vortex]

Imagine if they buffed Assa DS lmao

[subtle tundra]

would be pog!

keys would go so hard tonight

[vivid terrace]

ye w/e guys ignore me, random idiot rogue passing through

[spice spire]

Call me keys

[subtle tundra]

oi mate

dont make me

[gilded wasp]

Hey , did someone tried to go full st spec in M+ with caustic splatter ?

[novel star]

im sure someone has

but you shouldn’t

[normal mist]

Surely yeah

[grim jay]

You can be my alicia, I'll be your Swizz

[warm vortex]

Guys rate this team for my Y replaythrough

[warm vortex]

Inb4 “why not”

[novel star]

[normal mist]

I love buck

[novel star]

think about crimson tempest and scent for 2 seconds and u know why not

[warm vortex]

Yep exactly

Hence why I said it would be silly if someone asked why

[simple gulch]

Crimson Tempest fucks

[novel star]

yes

[warm vortex]

Also you can make builds without scent but not CT

[gilded wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-hiding-embarrassed-bush-gif-17685536

Why not ?

[warm vortex]

I would have mentioned carnage and CT

[simple gulch]

I hate how carnage works

[novel star]

because our aoe damage is really good

[simple gulch]

why stealth

[warm vortex]

So you want aoe bleeds outside of stealth

[normal mist]

Because you lose a lot of DMG sources due to target count

[novel star]

and with full st talents our boss dam still isn’t that insane

[warm vortex]

I means he is trolling

[simple gulch]

is CT target capped

[warm vortex]

Cause we JUST said why kek

[novel star]

and prio dam is also not that insane

[warm vortex]

No?

[simple gulch]

soft*

[warm vortex]

Target cap would assume

Yeye

Was gonna say

Target cap would assume it CANT hit more than a certain amount

[simple gulch]

I'm remembering how bad assa used to be in m+

old days

[warm vortex]

The cryogonal has a fucking -spa nature

[simple gulch]

iirc your main way of doing damage in Legion was to pray that you procced Poison Bomb

[warm vortex]

And I can’t breed it at the daycare cause it’s ungendered

Ffs

[simple gulch]

reading this without any context is troubling

[gilded wasp]

I m not trolling at all, i was just thinking at losing overall to destroy prio target

I think it could be decent in Dawnbreaker/ Boralus

[warm vortex]

He mentioned breeding in a kids game that means he wants to fuck it totally!!!!!!

[simple gulch]

[subtle tundra]

scent of blood is the biggest prio damage talent

crimson tempest is actually better than envenom for ST, in aoe

[warm vortex]

Is deadly poison technically the best Assa talent

Without it we can’t take any other talents

[grim jay]

Get out

[simple gulch]

so true

[novel star]

what varas is saying pretty much

[golden loom]

just run instant poison and 0 points in sin tree

[gilded wasp]

You got me

[novel star]

you aren’t strictly trading aoe for st

it doesn’t work like that

[warm vortex]

Your not an assassin rogue

Your just a rogue

[novel star]

our aoe shit helps prio

[simple gulch]

assassination is such a cool spec

[warm vortex]

CT does nice ST damage to a boss if it spawns ads

[golden loom]

still taking points in deathstalker, so i am a deathstalker rogue

[lethal turtle]

Our aoe kit is actually very ethical. I love it

[warm vortex]

Even for 2 sec you can hit a boss with a 5 target ST

[simple gulch]

yeah doesn't ct deal more damage with more mobs

[novel star]

yah

[simple gulch]

that means it's giga on prio

[gilded wasp]

Yeye it was a bad idea indeed

[warm vortex]

Extra bleed and more for lethal dose I belive

They made blade flurry assassin flavoured by making it a dot

On a single enemy

[simple gulch]

i'm gonna have to farm a lot of valorstones

help

[warm vortex]

Just do this WQ for like 10

What’s the problem

I mean iirc radiant exhos can actually be o good if you can start them

[simple gulch]

don't have enough rn

gonna ahve to do delves

[novel star]

echoes are bis ye

[simple gulch]

[novel star]

but u get the shit from doing bingus delves

so like

game sucks

either way ur doing garbage open world content

[coral ibex]

valorstones!!!

[simple gulch]

delves also give decent valorstones

[coral ibex]

[warm vortex]

Rip wax farm

Never forget

Bis for valor stones and money

[simple gulch]

I never did it

[warm vortex]

I remember wanting to make a bunch of macros that had icons that fit with sub
Like all the icons were purple or smth

Idk, my autistic brain thought it looked cool

Would do that with Assa if I could make custom tooltips

[coral ibex]

it was just another open world farm they nerfed from EA to launch

[warm vortex]

No?

[coral ibex]

the wax?

[warm vortex]

Unless it got nerfed 2 times

Yea

I remember like week 2

Or 1

It was super good

[simple gulch]

[warm vortex]

I did it and didn’t have early access

[coral ibex]

yea people saved up a ton to turn in and they nerfed the turn in from 10 to 2

and then they buffed it to 5

iirc

[warm vortex]

Ahhh ok

I remember the main thing being the like

Sack of dust you could buy

The storm dust

[coral ibex]

i think people were also doing it for an easy valor farm

[warm vortex]

Yeye

Both money and valor

Now it’s bad for both

[coral ibex]

i just cba to do world farms like that

[arctic socket]

People were farming hard

For their heroic gear

[warm vortex]

Tbh rn I get my money from 5 alts getting a superb beast fang every day X)

I mean can you blame them

[arctic socket]

Yeah

[warm vortex]

Ain’t getting replaced outside of mythic raid or vault

[arctic socket]

I’m meaning the start of expansion

[coral ibex]

i mean in the end it doesn’t even matter

[arctic socket]

Heroic dungeon gear

[simple gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/lp-linkin-park-chester-in-the-end-it-doesnt-even-matter-gif-5187392

[arctic socket]

Remember that arc?

[coral ibex]

i had to fall to lose it all

[warm vortex]

Ohhh

[coral ibex]

i sold 2 tokens when the bruto dropped and haven’t needed gold since

[warm vortex]

Yea that

[coral ibex]

i love tokens

[warm vortex]

Thought you meant heroic level gear

[spice spire]

Rolling heroics was crazy work

Prerelease was a wild time

[coral ibex]

ok 👍

[spice spire]

Ok

[arctic socket]

That baby has a fat nose

Wide boi

[balmy condor]

Ok

[coral ibex]

bros head literally just got compressed thru a birthing canal

cut him some slack

[arctic socket]

Not necessarily

Could have gotten cut out

You don’t know

[coral ibex]

i do know

i know that baby

personally

i’m the grandpa

[arctic socket]

Were you there?

[coral ibex]

ok

[warm vortex]

Youngest wow player

[arctic socket]

Were you the baby?

[stray thistle]

Does anyone know of a plater script or mod to fade nameplates outside of melee range rather than at a minum of 10 yards? ive been looking online for something on this but i cant find anything (not really even a discussion on it) which is completely crazy to me tbh. am i looking in the wrong places or what? like for AoE it would be nice to know if that one or 2 mobs are just barley outside melee range.. there's gotta be a way.

[arctic socket]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-catstare-cat-stare-sus-catglare-cat-glare-gif-14942558849944709546

[coral ibex]

i was once a baby so i’m pretty sure i know what im talking about

kinda like a been there done that angle

[arctic socket]

Hello darkness my old friend

[spice spire]

I think it’s da baby

Let’s goooo or whatever he said

[arctic socket]

https://tenor.com/view/goodname-baby-epic-dank-mor-ardank-gif-19867203

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/northernlion-scream-persona-gif-1954147571111799445

[warm vortex]

Why did you post the egg
This isn’t a cooking channel?

[coral ibex]

i’m disturbing the peace

[warm vortex]

Anyone up disturbing their peace rn

Bro nearly 2PM and I haven’t had lunch

[coral ibex]

who up sploinkin they throngus until it molten flurry

[arctic socket]

[warm vortex]

Having this for lunch

[coral ibex]

wild i just ate a whole egg sandwich on a bagel

[warm vortex]

If the fucking image would upload

[coral ibex]

i am literally elevated

[frosty bridge]

I'm pretty sure they restricted the API so you can't do that anymore

[subtle tundra]

stop dropping 1 liners and dipping

fake ass regular

[arctic socket]

He’s always here

Just never talks

So he doesn’t get asked dumb questions

[subtle tundra]

whispyr is sub better now?

whispyr why is sub better

whispyr, youre a sub main, can you tell me aoe opener

[frosty bridge]

Though there is probably a workaround for range checks idk

[subtle tundra]

on 3.42 targets?

[stray thistle]

those people should be flogged for such an act.. why take that way

[spice spire]

Just because he’s a bottom doesn’t make him a sub main

[frosty bridge]

Can't remember why, but I remember it being removed during Amirdrassil and people being mad af

[molten cosmos]

Hello there, is that normal raidbot ask me to socket main versa instead of Mastery/crit in ST 1/2 bosses?

[frosty bridge]

Iirc it broke a ton of weakauras and plater mods

[coral ibex]

i mean you can just check if a melee ability is usable

right

[frosty bridge]

Yes

[spice spire]

Yes we like all stats so you want more vers atm

It’ll change over time

[molten cosmos]

okok, we shall aim 30% crit so it goes with 50% under MA and rest is what is the best for us?

[balmy condor]

Sorry

[frosty bridge]

Just sim, don't aim for stats like that

[molten cosmos]

Even in M+?

[frosty bridge]

A workaround probably exists idk, not sure how you'd evaluate if something you're not targeting is more than 10 yds away

[balmy condor]

Especially for m+

[frosty bridge]

Yes, sim dungeon slice for M+ gear

[stray thistle]

thanks 🙂 i honestly cant believe these devs. like wtf lol

[balmy condor]

I cannot trust yall mplussers to use reason when evaluating anything in this game

Please let the computer do it for you

I beg

[spice spire]

Thought about it

[frosty bridge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/17wwmvr/blizzard_hotfix_restricted_the_api_used_for_range/

[spice spire]

Decided to go with my feels instead

[frosty bridge]

You can read about it here

can't remember the reasoning behind it but probably something echo or liquid would have abused for the race

[molten cosmos]

I guess I have to see all again then on my gear. Thanks to both of you guys @frosty bridge @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

Ay dios mio

Gl on your journey

[frosty bridge]

[coral ibex]

afaik every mechanic this tier that required you to spread from others for any distance had a clear visual indicator

blizz prob just wants you to look at those

and not a range check weakaura

i prefer it that way tbh

[frosty bridge]

Probably, it killed the circle weakuras that were green when safe and red when overlapping

But yeah, I prefer that too, but not the cringe private aura stuff that just add a macro as an extra step

[coral ibex]

i killed ovinax last night without any weakauras, my new guild just uses bigwigs

it was so sick

i love not having to use weakauras

[tired gull]

I prefer to feelcraft all types of content and not trust any computer ai bs that’s leading us down a path we cannot return from

[solar wyvern]

Do bigwigs assignments work okay?

I always assumed it was cringe af and that's why people used WA

[warm vortex]

What if I use reason and evaluate that simming is the way

[obtuse phoenix]

Does anyone have WAs for assas

Are they pinned in channel

[arctic socket]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[spice spire]

They should yeah

[obtuse phoenix]

Thank you very much TO

[solar wyvern]

Neat, I liked Liquids assignments the best for ovi but good to know bigwigs isn't awful

[warm vortex]

What even is big wigs

[solar wyvern]

Better dbm

[warm vortex]

Oh fair

[solar wyvern]

Just a more adjustable boss encounter addon. Similar to DBM. Most mythic raid teams prefer it

[warm vortex]

I just use DBM atm

[coral ibex]

yea we 2 pulled it

[spring stream]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[coral ibex]

one was to get my bw set up correctly since mine was configured to have a weakaura do assignments

and then we killed the boss

[warm vortex]

Said it before and I’ll say it again
Do you vear vigs
Vill you vear vigs
Ven vill you vear vigs

[spring stream]

https://tenor.com/view/fairysoobs-laughing-gif-22136115

[spice spire]

Where is certified Richard mister Rick

[spring stream]

idk im just me

[golden loom]

Torn between using my current crests on 639 belt + 639 OH and giving up embelishments or making 636 belt to keep ascension + writhing

[spice spire]

Fair enough

[frosty bridge]

@stray thistle https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1094040617501343824/1311333250609975366/image.png?ex=674879c2&is=67472842&hm=bd78be0a75572d431d56044b12afd9a155da5d9464dd8e5aa3cf4002eb8dd620&

You can play around with this

Not sure how or if it works, probably range approximation like the Chinese weakaura from last year

[stray thistle]

Thanks!!

[warm vortex]

Still love this clip so much

That and the clarkson shotgun clip are the ones i bring up so much
they are just so funny to me

[gloomy hinge]

is this a socket angle?

m+ player

[coral ibex]

you have myth rings?

[novel star]

it’s a sim angle

[warm vortex]

Yea

always sim

[warm vortex]

Also shnaring this again

[gloomy hinge]

Sim is a 8k dps increase single target 65k dps decrease aoe

[warm vortex]

because it's so fucking funny to me

K take whaetver one sims mroe

Oh

The ring?

[gloomy hinge]

yes

[warm vortex]

If so, compare how much the gain is for the sockets the

[gloomy hinge]

The ring is only part thats any increase in any way

[warm vortex]

Because if it's like a tiny gain for both

Ah ok

[gloomy hinge]

I got crafted boots, 636 so they feel like a waste

myth legs

[warm vortex]

Hmm
maybe
you socketed the ring?

Or simmied it with sockets

[gloomy hinge]

yeah socketed sim

[warm vortex]

hmmm ok

Well if you getting a socket on an already existing gera piece is better then go for it
What are your rings like rn

cause if you get two 639 ones you get free upgrades rigth

[gloomy hinge]

it was simmed at 639 ilvl aswell for the vault options

[warm vortex]

Ah ok hmm
personally, if you have no other optioN
i would take the ring and use it for ST DPS
And just use the other ring for aoe
But if youd prefer socket angle then go for socket
my dogs are going nuts brb

K back

dogs saw a bird in the garden and decided silence was never an option

[gloomy hinge]

Damn the dogs goin crazy

[warm vortex]

True

What stats do the ring have?

Haste/crit?

i swear its haste and something

[gloomy hinge]

So, as a m+ player, I take the ST gain of 9k and lose the 75k on aoe

my rings are both crit mastery

[warm vortex]

Oh wait

Yea good point hmm

So you don't do any serious mythic raiding

[lethal turtle]

Crit haste

dawnbreaker ring

[warm vortex]

sorry i forgot about the thing you said

[gloomy hinge]

Nah, I just do first 4 or so

[warm vortex]

It's in raid slot no?

[gloomy hinge]

main thing is pushing

[warm vortex]

So it can't be the DB ring

[lethal turtle]

?

[warm vortex]

ok in that case
I think the socket would be the better idea

[gloomy hinge]

Its bloodhound ring and dawnbreaker ring

[warm vortex]

rlly sorry i forgot

[lethal turtle]

one of the rings is db

[warm vortex]

Yeye
Same icon

[lethal turtle]

not same icon

WUT is going on lol

[warm vortex]

I swear it is?
Gimmie a sec

BNut yea sorry kwii

i looked at it how i would do it

forgetting you said m+

[lethal turtle]

show ur toon kiwi

[warm vortex]

For M+ socket is prolly better with the ring being that big of a decrease

Really imposrtant tho

are you kiwi as in the fruit

[warm vortex]

or kiwi as in the bird

[lethal turtle]

im just a 3140 rogue atm tho. but i can try to help

[gloomy hinge]

fruit

[warm vortex]

Im really REALLY sorry to hear if your the bird

ok good

I coulden't imagine a kiwi laying an egg

you guys seen how big kiwi eggs are lol

[lethal turtle]

are these 626 pcs all heroic

[gloomy hinge]

yes

[warm vortex]

DB ring

[lethal turtle]

what off pcs are you planning to craft for dawnthread

[gloomy hinge]

none

no dawnthread

[warm vortex]

Riad ring

see

they look the same swap

thing you meant the other ring DB drops?

Im only 3006

still proud im that level tho

because im more of a casual palyer id say

[lethal turtle]

wait im so lost

you are not crafting 636 embellishments

[desert crest]

Why is it that chaos flask is so good for us when it is only a 65 sec stat increase over other flasks when accounting for the loss of the two other stats?

[gloomy hinge]

i have it on my chest

i just have ascendance

[warm vortex]

Pot gives us all 4 buffs

if we have the flask AfaIk

Lemmie yest

[desert crest]

ahh that would make sense

[warm vortex]

Yea

just drank one

With the chaos flask

[lethal turtle]

oh ascendance is stinky in m+ just my 2 cents..

[desert crest]

thx mate

[warm vortex]

can confirm it works :)

[warm vortex]

Mehh

[lethal turtle]

i dont use chaos flask anymore in m+

[warm vortex]

the way it works

is that like

[lethal turtle]

mastery flask

gang

[warm vortex]

It was my first craft

so i wanted it, because it was a nice ilevel jump for my weapon

I still use chaos in m+ as i use pots in m+ higher keys

I still use wax for weapon tho

i aint usin whetstones in m+

[gloomy hinge]

so basically i go socket boys?

[warm vortex]

Why is everyone an elf rogue

like ik shadow meld

but still

[lethal turtle]

its better

[gloomy hinge]

true but higher keylevels everything always takes you below 80% constantly so

[warm vortex]

I would say if you are pushing, it is most likely the best bet yea

because you aint doing ST

If you did a mix of raid and m+ i would say ring

[lethal turtle]

im legit 80%+ 80+% of he time

in 15s

[warm vortex]

Well elves are

so boring

[lethal turtle]

which is better than ascendance

[warm vortex]

Meh
they are both good
there can be some scenarios where something goes wrong and you dip below 80
Imo the main draw of ascendance was the high ilevel dagger
Both dawn and ascend are good for m+. I don't think it matters too much which one you take considering the diffrence between embelishments now compared to DF S2 for example

[lethal turtle]

the overall impact sure is neg probably. id rather just have 1500 crit upfront every pack during my setup

[warm vortex]

That's completly valid

also
i went ascend because i play a mix of raid and m+

and imo in raid, you are consistantly at an avarage lower health

at least i feel like

[lethal turtle]

ya i mean ima craft a ascen raid combo too if i reroll this toont o be my raid toon next tier

that and you dont reset your stack

[golden loom]

like here if I want to go double dawnthread, it would be best to get another 90 crests and craft chest piece I guess?

[lethal turtle]

or boots

[golden loom]

hero track body and myth track boots tho

[lethal turtle]

i like the tier chest for m+

oh

[golden loom]

and my boots have leech 8)

[lethal turtle]

then probably

[warm vortex]

I have 5 tier

ik it's not op[timal

but thats just the hand ive been delt

[lethal turtle]

5 tier for rogue isnt bad

[warm vortex]

Yea

Like it was more like

[golden loom]

but I also kinda want to upgrade pieces with my crests so I get the discounts on alts so its weird

[warm vortex]

it offered myth tier which was a big upgrade
do that 3 more times
then today the biggest stat upgrade was hands tier

[lethal turtle]

Tho my rogue is ultimate priviledge

Yesterday was 5t vault and it will be 636+ after i get my last craft

[warm vortex]

Nice nice

[lethal turtle]

[forest spoke]

In ST once my DM/KB window has ended, should I automatically default to just maintaining envenom until the next KB window, or should I do the rotation as normal until I get to low energy and then focus on maintaining envenom?

maintaining bleeds too of course

[warm vortex]

Ok

time to do all my proffesion stuff

:D

[lethal turtle]

Maintain evenom buff uptime as much as you can and bleeds

pool energy rightbefore KB comes up so you can slam

[forest spoke]

perfect, thanks a lot!

[lethal turtle]

make sure ur not tea starved either for cds

[warm vortex]

You sure you pool for KB?

[lethal turtle]

seee that alot with newer rogues just using tea whenever or accidently popping them

[warm vortex]

Im p sure whispyr uptdate the pooling thing

!pool

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it
• Super Min-Max stuff includes avoiding the auto proc of tea (less than +0.2%, tea/shiv macro is optimal)
• Refreshing Envenom in pandemic instead of spamming it (mostly relevant for m+ without TTK, can be up to 0.5%)
• Otherwise nothing matters. Pooling before kingsbanes isn't important because of tea lining up and deathmark giving a huge surge of energy

[lethal turtle]

idk. i pool like to 200 right before kb still

ic ic

was this changed or am i blacking out

[weary current]

quick question as someone that didnt play assa in a long ass time refreshing garrote overwrites stealth one right?

[past panther]

do yall like running TTK or Sudden Demise in +10 and higher keys?

or sanguine blades?

[lethal turtle]

yes

[warm vortex]

It was

i told him to update it

[lethal turtle]

like recently

[weary current]

great thank you

[warm vortex]

it still said DS ran VV

like

2 days ago

or 1

[lethal turtle]

depends on dgn

like TTK i take in high ST needed dgns.

[past panther]

i gotcha

[warm vortex]

Personally i do neither

[past panther]

and SD for mob heavy dungeons?

[past panther]

which then?

[lethal turtle]

SOB COT DB

[warm vortex]

Ill show in a second

[lethal turtle]

I almost always take TTK

[past panther]

oki

yeah that makes sense honestly

lots of mini bosses and prio targets

[lethal turtle]

Right, bosses are scarier than everything in thsoe dgns for most part

[arctic socket]

W build

[stray thistle]

https://wago.io/NyFFoF1mQ this WA seems to work and should help

[warm vortex]

You changed it

[gloomy hinge]

Skips and good stuff

[warm vortex]

But tyhey are sooooo

boringggggg

[gloomy hinge]

in stonevault double shield guys isolo pull for my group and let them pass it then shadowmeld to lose aggro

[warm vortex]

Yeye ikl

[lethal turtle]

there are a few clutch skips you can do as a elf too ya

[past panther]

I play for the pretty 😔

[warm vortex]

a dude in my group did that for SV

[lethal turtle]

like SV those 2 shitter fucks in last hallway

[past panther]

I went from a Draenei to a H-Dracthyr

[warm vortex]

Anyhow

[lethal turtle]

you can skip. so inefficient

[warm vortex]

this is the one i run

[past panther]

oh so you’re using SB

[warm vortex]

Yes

i simmed and it simmed higher than SD

[past panther]

i need to sim it

[warm vortex]

in dungeons like SoB or MoTS i drop TW

*IW

if it isnt a high key

and get either SD or TTK

usually SD as it's a lower key

Like a 10

[past panther]

normally I’ve been running with an enh shammy and a disc priest so between us and pugs sometimes packs don’t last like 5-6 globals lol

whenever we’re doing 10s for vault

[warm vortex]

Bro

you don't need anything else

the fucking enh with pi will literally melt anything

X)

[past panther]

Yeaaaaah lol

[warm vortex]

Just two people one dungeon

[past panther]

It’s him and his e-kitten

[lethal turtle]

SB you 100% want

[warm vortex]

Ehh

i can think of a scenario

[past panther]

At this point im a DR bot for the tank by spamming imp garrote and blind so the tank takes 0 dmg even if he’s idling

[warm vortex]

where you woulden't

like imagine you need to go to a wedding later

[lethal turtle]

what packs are u not getting full uptime with it

[warm vortex]

you don't want your blades to be to messy

Sanguine blades sound harder to clean than normal ones

[lethal turtle]

ok

im sending u a pic

of diarrhea

in dms

[gloomy hinge]

OK SO CONfirm, Stay with my 626 ring and get socket cause i lose aoe

[warm vortex]

I would genuinly prefer if you didn't

[kindred hinge]

Packs after 2nd have a shit laod of caster, but yeah only there

[frosty bridge]

That one m counts the amount of nameplates visible ye

[warm vortex]

Genuinly i never think you should drop SB
I was just making a joke about the wedding haha

I mean

[kindred hinge]

And I misread though it was IW

[warm vortex]

lately ive been running this in M+

Lolll

Just for chill fun

mainly used it in 10s

could try some 12s to see how ass fatebound is

Tbh it doesn't feel that far behind? It probably is though

like

the only change this makes is that

i don't ambush and DN isn't a thing

so that's why it prolly feels ok? In reality it is most likely a bit worse

Actually i might sim because maybe SD does more than MA without sub

But i could just be trippin

[lethal turtle]

anytime i see ppl take MA in m+ and not subterfuge

makes my tummy gurgle

[warm vortex]

UwU

but yea

I might sim it real quick

[lethal turtle]

IW in pugs in 100% lock

[warm vortex]

Well

tbh if i have a prot pally on Mists or SoB

[lethal turtle]

IW in normal 3k+ io cordinated discord group first talent to drop

[warm vortex]

i can afford skipping it

if its a 10

buit like

[kindred hinge]

IW in mist is meh, rest is 100%

[warm vortex]

any higher and i always take it

I mean apart from the banana bonanza in SoB there isnt much there

[lethal turtle]

I hardly take it anymore besides like SV and GB

And NW sometimes if i dont have prot pally

[past panther]

IW still has that 15% dmg debuff right?

[kindred hinge]

On target that can get it

[lethal turtle]

ya

[past panther]

still seems decent ig if ur pushing

idk im a noob

628 and it feels like i barely know how to play the game lol

[fallen arch]

It is

[kindred hinge]

Depends on your comp, you can drop sometimes if your comp allow it, but if youa re just pugging you play it

[lethal turtle]

thats why discords exist

[warm vortex]

I always push it in high keys

Unless im in a group that co-ordinates everything

and EVEN then

ill still most likely take it

[fallen arch]

Even then I wouldnt drop it

[warm vortex]

Also simmed

[lethal turtle]

nothing better than IW the frost bolt mages in NW

and then 7 sec KSing it

[warm vortex]

SD and TTK for the fatebound build are

0.002 M dps diff

[lethal turtle]

being ethical is better than topping m+ meters

team game

[warm vortex]

Yea this is good

I think the place you always no matter what take IW unless your really know what your doing

[past panther]

that’s what my rogue noob friend doesn’t get

[warm vortex]

is GB

[kindred hinge]

I mean just play with a DK that will CM the mage

[winged gust]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[past panther]

we have so much utility in garrote alone but he drops it for more dps

[warm vortex]

Ive legit joined lobbies as my bm

[past panther]

when he tanks the floor in the last boss of ara kara every single time

[warm vortex]

told the rogue to run elusiv and black over CD and tricks

and leave

[lethal turtle]

if you wanna only do dmg just go play a spriest or something

xd

[past panther]

a lock, even

their util isn’t in talents xd

[warm vortex]

Why the fuck would anyone willingly play an spriest

Jkjk

[past panther]

just drop cookies and everyone is happy

[kindred hinge]

Meh if they are doing 10s /11 s still better to CD

[lethal turtle]

that is my raid main. i chose wrong this tier

[warm vortex]

I disagree

[lethal turtle]

always play spriest or rogue

[warm vortex]

there is no reason not to run elusive imo

[past panther]

i run cheat death because i have boomer parent brain and my brain just brown outs every so often

[warm vortex]

Because it gets you into the habit of using elusiv

for higher keys

[past panther]

or my kids distract me

[winged gust]

wait where do i put this? in my chat?

[past panther]

in a macro

[warm vortex]

Click esc

[past panther]

esc > macro > copy text and paste

[warm vortex]

go to macros

[past panther]

put on bar

[warm vortex]

Fuck you beat me to it

:(

[lethal turtle]

press escape

not click it

[winged gust]

ohh ty

[lethal turtle]

wtf is this

[warm vortex]

🤓 ☝️

[past panther]

physically click esc key with your physical mouse

[kindred hinge]

People fuck up, if elusiveness is not the reason you will survive an aoe or if the rogue does not play it properply you do not get value from it, CD is dead talent if you never proc it in key but if you proc it and it save your key it is massive. At that level CD > Elu because there is not enough dmg to justify elu

[past panther]

plastic on plastic action

[warm vortex]

Well i get that on a 10
but as i said personally, sometimes in higher keys you need fient to not die with elusiv
and taking elusiv puts you in the mindset of pressing feint when you need to

[kindred hinge]

Or you get a random 9-11 tank that will move the cleave into your face and you die. Low keys are clownfiesta

[warm vortex]

Not as bad as an entire dark shroud going off

[arctic socket]

Ptsd from NW?

[lethal turtle]

bro

i swear if i didnt reform before this xpac

and the amount of pugs doing that to me in NW

with the cleave

[kindred hinge]

I stop pushing in pug after 30 try in NW 14.

[arctic socket]

NW is probably the hardest dungeon to push up high

[warm vortex]

SV?

[arctic socket]

Like I mean the very first pull in the dungeon is wild.. and it rly tells you how the rest of the key will go

[kindred hinge]

GB prolly

[warm vortex]

Or is that me being a low key dude

[arctic socket]

Stone vault isn’t that rough

[kindred hinge]

NW just require good ST

But pugs don't take into account damage profile

[warm vortex]

Oh yea GB gets fucking rough

[kindred hinge]

Sv is tough in pug but not bad in vocals

[arctic socket]

I haven’t had much issues with GB

Besides the pulls before 3rd boss

[warm vortex]

How high have you done it

[arctic socket]

13

[warm vortex]

yea that double ascend dude sucks

Do you skip them

on higher keys

[kindred hinge]

They just nerfed the cheese on boss 2, wwill make it even harder

Double ascend is skipped yes

[warm vortex]

Boss 22?

how fucking long is gb

X)

[arctic socket]

What cheese does boss 2 have

[kindred hinge]

You could avoid sparks and tank buster

[arctic socket]

Like

[warm vortex]

I feel like throngus would be a fan of blue cheese

[arctic socket]

Oh with the stacking?

[warm vortex]

By like jumping into the pit and stepping back?

When it goes off in the end or smth

[kindred hinge]

No with tnak losing the molten flurry

[spice surge]

Eh, timer is incredibly lenient

[kindred hinge]

If the tank LOS the cast of flurry, not dmaage on tank no sparks, boss is a trash

[arctic socket]

I have ptsd form that place with getting randomly one shot

[kindred hinge]

But they fixed that

[warm vortex]

Ah thought you meant like

[past panther]

my issue this season is that tanks are such a big wild card

[warm vortex]

A hunter jumping into the lava pit area and disengaging back to avoid one tick of the spark on the ground

[past panther]

last night i had a 631 bear druid that did like 300k overall all dungeon

[spice surge]

Like the 15 i timed we had a full wipe at necro+2cleave lads when they had like 40% hp

[arctic socket]

Bear tanks are fun to watch

[spice surge]

And we still had 2 mins left by the end of the key

[warm vortex]

Bear duirs are fucking stupid

[past panther]

early that day i had a 630 bear that was very very very strong

[warm vortex]

Easily the dumbest tank on avarage imo

[arctic socket]

I think bear druids are a hit or miss and depends on the build their in

[kindred hinge]

Did you MC the flesh crafter boss 1 and Necropolis ? Because timer is extra chunky with that, without still fine but not that large

[past panther]

i have good experiences with bears generally

[arctic socket]

I could be wrong with that

[dense badger]

I like the tanks that stop after every pack to check their MDT🙃 in 12s btw

[past panther]

Warrior tanks are the idiots I always get

[spice surge]

N

[lethal turtle]

Im shocked you said NW would be hardest to push up high when GB exists

[past panther]

Druids in general this xpac kind of smooth brain

[warm vortex]

For me the two standouts are

[past panther]

I just don’t invite resto druids anymore

[warm vortex]

Bears are always stupid
Vengance are always assholes that blame healers or dps

[arctic socket]

That’s the dungeon I have had issues with

[spice surge]

NW is hard because a lot of stuff kills you, but the timer is lenient

[past panther]

I’d trust a hunter with bandages over the average rdruid anymore

[spice surge]

GB is hard because a lot of stuff kills you, but the timer is way less lenient

[lethal turtle]

NW only scares me in half pugs

[past panther]

i love watching pallies divine storm on the necro pack in NW

😌

[lethal turtle]

stg dragon boss is just pug stomper

[kindred hinge]

Had so many random bricks in NW 14/15, like every run is a nw one

[arctic socket]

Stg?

[lethal turtle]

swear to god

[dense badger]

Call me psycho but NW is my fav dung this season

[warm vortex]

I WILL BURN YOU FROM THE INSIDE OUT

[arctic socket]

Double vanish goes hard on NW 2nd boss

[kindred hinge]

Special mention for the dps that managed to drop his frost zone on top of the add downstairs of last boss.

[warm vortex]

No

double vanish just goes hard

full stop

[lethal turtle]

we love doule vanish and IW on that boss most times

[arctic socket]

Garrote silence on the mages

Bis

[past panther]

I like SoB the most honestly

[arctic socket]

Then aoe vanish

[kindred hinge]

Or just play with a DK and he wil lalways have something to deal with mage

[arctic socket]

I played with a augment evoker frost dk

[past panther]

DB has grown on me too

[arctic socket]

Prot pally

[lethal turtle]

I love DB

very good dgn

[past panther]

I dont hate SV as much either

It just punishes ppl who don’t pay attention

[kindred hinge]

Grip X 2, aoe grip, Grip *2, Prot pal toll, Grip *x2, Aoe grip etc, a DK do the rota nearly alone, vanish or double vanish is meh in comparison

[lethal turtle]

SV good boss design

trash is a bit wild

[past panther]

Trash is fun besides the chargey guys in the last hallways

[warm vortex]

Some dude just whispered

[dense badger]

SV first corridor is fun af

[past panther]

Ye

[kindred hinge]

Love DB tbh, easy in lower key, need some brans in higher one. Lot of flexibility fun trash boss are interesting. great Dj

[warm vortex]

"can i shoot you with turkey gun for achivement"

[past panther]

I’m excited for Priory next season

[arctic socket]

That was me

[past panther]

I think that one will be fun

[arctic socket]

😭

[warm vortex]

Oh really

[arctic socket]

No

[lethal turtle]

I typically am a fan of like champion elites or whatever you call them. Minibosses

[warm vortex]

whats the name of the character then

[arctic socket]

Maybe

[warm vortex]

Mister TO

oh :9

[arctic socket]

Mister

[kindred hinge]

No tnhanks, going to be anightmare for melee with consecration that kilss you faster than you can blink

[lethal turtle]

The DB minibosses are poggers.

[past panther]

lol yeah that room is gonna be rough

Cleft is gonna be interesting too

[warm vortex]

OH MY GOD COMBAT DOESN'T BREAK THE TURKEY

I CAN RAID MYTHIC AS A TURKEY

[dense badger]

Cleft as high key is getting done once and once only

[warm vortex]

You never know

[past panther]

Maybe they change the darkness mechanic

It’s definitely gonna be a pub stomper

[warm vortex]

Bro next season looks wank

Tbh

[past panther]

I just hope they don’t put the vanilla Steamwheedle faction back in

I started the Insane achievement and haven’t finished getting unhated with BB/Gadgetzan/etc >_>

[warm vortex]

You need to what

get exalted with goblins

then friendly with pirate

[past panther]

Ye

[warm vortex]

how do you get friendly with pirates, just kill Booty bay peopl?

[past panther]

Yuuup

[warm vortex]

That doesn't sound hard? Just, time consuming no?

[past panther]

I think im on the middle one of the negative rep with the gobbos lol

Ya

You gotta go red for the goblins then build them back up

[warm vortex]

You don't need exalted and friendly at the same time

right

[past panther]

Then do some stuff for ravenholdt

Honored with Bloodsail, Exalted with Goblins, Darkmoon Faire and Ravenholdt

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/crunchycat-luna-cat-smirk-smile-gif-9301919548442205824

[kindred hinge]

Dnd rule on conservation prolly

[lethal turtle]

imagine if they were a dragon full piss bladder and transformed into a human

what happens then

[warm vortex]

They would explode

[royal lantern]

ill accept that one

[humble verge]

hmm

is anyone here whos killed ovi, running with the ovi ring?

[shy nest]

is contract a good trinket?
considering cloak

[humble verge]

on mythic that is

[humble verge]

for outlaw with the fist weapon

id sim the trinke ttho

[viscid gazelle]

is it typical to be energy starved? I know the thistle tea gives more energy but if i tend to run low im stuck for the minute until a thistle tea comes back up

[shy nest]

yeah simmed worse then what I have. but does sim have execute thingy in mind?

[humble verge]

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[viscid gazelle]

o cool lol

it was a command xD noob questions

[languid gate]

If you put a Cloak into Catalyst, which Stats will it get?

[shy nest]

high crit/vers

[drowsy geyser]

what are the most probable best gems?

crit mastery?

[hoary night]

Does sudden death has an internal cd? Seems it's not proccing a lot

[sharp viper]

your bleeds are probably not long enough to proc SD

[hoary night]

whoops

[queen spade]

is sureki insignia bis for m+?

[strange loom]

what u think guys

bis or no?

[humble verge]

well

its huge

ive been using it since i got it 4 weeks ago

[royal lantern]

neck with stats

vs

neck with stats and sometimes a small stat proc

🤔

[candid anvil]

I'd sim that tho, don't think that much haste would be good for m+ idk

[glacial stump]

It sims better than any other neck i have, i questioned it with the haste too, but i trust the sims

[candid anvil]

Interesting, maybe it procs a lot? Did you sim it against crit mast myth or?

[royal lantern]

or maybe

its because stats dont matter much

and people love to overthink them by a crazy amount

[candid anvil]

Don't think anyone said that

Still curious what's better on sim, crit mast myth or sikran myth

[royal lantern]

i mean, depeends on literally every single other item

if you mindlessly stack crit/mastery cus some esoteric list told you "crit/mastery is the best!!!!!", its gonna go for haste, cus you will have almost 0 haste

if your gear is more balanced, sim will figure it out

[strange loom]

my gear looks like this rn

i got neck from my first raid on this rogue rn xD

[royal lantern]

mf doesnt even have a offhand enchant

[strange loom]

XD look at my weapon maaan

gonna fix that after

for sure

[royal lantern]

man, deptshs/radiant power are like 4k at this point

[strange loom]

[royal lantern]

just buy a r1/r2 one if you wanna save gold

even cheaper

[vital galleon]

Guys, I am a bit out of the loop with the current best build, and noticed that Speedoflife is running this build: https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/deathstalker/DANFVVFBRRUVRihFDQRQNVUVVFEYFQVKFQBEEVVVUCEA

Is this the go to M+ build now?

[royal lantern]

who is speedoflife

and yes

[vital galleon]

R1 on rio

And ty

[spice spire]

Speed

[royal lantern]

one day people will learn that "lol look at r1 logs/r.io for talents" is one of the absolute worst thing you can do

one day

im sure

[ornate wagon]

someone put the weakaura link up pls 🙂

[vital galleon]

Yeah I mean I already don't take it to heart, but Icyveins isn't much better

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[ornate wagon]

ty ❤️

[royal lantern]

assa has

and thats not even a made up number

around 500 "builds" in m+

that all do the same shit in the end

[vital galleon]

Yeah fair

[royal lantern]

if you have like

ANY combination of "spatter+IC+kingsbsane", it works in m+

[vital galleon]

That's true

Is there a viable Without a Trace build for M+

Or is that more raid oriented

[royal lantern]

sure

you drop it and take the new talent/lethality then

which is slightly more ST for slightly less AoE and results in the same dmg in the end again

[vital galleon]

Yeah fiars

[royal lantern]

aka, a assassination m+ build

[vital galleon]

Just depends on what you want to focus innit

[royal lantern]

ye

[vital galleon]

The only thing that just makes me eternally sad

Is that you HAVE to fucking run teas

[strange loom]

so i'm taking this neck then? im confused cuz my friend want it and im clueless about rogue XD

[royal lantern]

like i said

its a neck like all others

same amount of statss

but it also has a small proc

other neckss dont have that

[vital galleon]

The vers proc is kind of nutty

[royal lantern]

so yeha, its good

you compare "item with stats" with "item with stats+a proc"

ofc the 2nd wins

[candid anvil]

I don't mean to argue but my sim says its -0,4% hero vs hero, I really suggest simming it 😅

Depends on stats and talents for sure

[strange loom]

i got mythic track

[desert crest]

Why does haste sim so well in st when it does not really allows us to get that much more energy? is there something i am missing

[candid anvil]

Like 2 mythic necks or upgrade from hero to myth?

If upgrade it will be better for sure

[strange loom]

got this rn

[royal lantern]

more auto attacks

More dot ticks

[candid anvil]

Ah okay then sureki wins very probably

[desert crest]

Yeah okay i guess auto atk's are more important then i thought then thx

[tawdry mica]

I'm guessing no Sudden Demise because of high keys?

[candid anvil]

Btw is there any option to return mana tea to pre-rework state so it doesn't proc automatically? Hate that change

[royal lantern]

well, auto attacks are some of the highest dmg source for all melee dps

and blizz in their unending wissdom also gave deathsstalker a auto attack buff

cus lol, imagine having good concepts

cant even make generic "x% more dmg" talent, it must be fucking auto attack dmg

[slate crown]

sometimes people like to expend brain juices for no tangible impact except that it's fun to expend brain juices

problem is those people often also convince themselves it matters and lose sight of why they're doing any of this

[royal lantern]

cant relate, i dont think

[slate crown]

nice

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smooth-brain-silly-cute-gif-12951836389394006733

[slate crown]

I feel like a lot of modern day analytics and data is such a waste of time but it keeps people in jobs (me, it keeps me in a job)

because at the end of the day when you do a bunch of analysis the things that need to happen become clear and are always the same

pay people more,talk to people who don't do their work

overthinking things

for no tangible impact

[slate crown]

absolutely flawless, immaculate

[desert crest]

The true optimization is too stop optimizing

[royal lantern]

unironically

yes

to a degree yes

wow players LOVE to "optimize" themself to a level where its harmfull for themself

[slate crown]

turns out what makes you do damage isn't what numbers say on the items you wear

[desert crest]

It is only harmfull if you don't use proper methodology

[slate crown]

it's if you push your buttons

[royal lantern]

like, secondary stats are the best example

they are SECONDARY stats

SECONDARY its in the name

[slate crown]

and not even necessarily pushing buttons in the right order

just fucking push them

you'll learn the rest later

[royal lantern]

yet people dont take +20ilvl upgrades cus "X sstreamer said that Crit/mastery is my best stat and it has vers instead"

[desert crest]

I think what is underestimated is the ability of gems and enchants to fix stats on non bis items

[royal lantern]

like, you should 100% ignore secondary statss

[desert crest]

nahh

[royal lantern]

until its 2 items of the same ilvl

then you sim

[desert crest]

bro that is too cooked

[slate crown]

Evil me: you should resim and regem every time you get a new item

[royal lantern]

not really

mainstat i BY FAR the most important thing

like, by a landslide

[slate crown]

We say this a lot in this channel

because it's particularly true for assa

but honestly

I think that stats don't matter for most classes either, for the vast majority of what you need to be doing

very rarely will you wipe to a boss because you had an imbalance of stats on your gear

you wiped because jim stood in a god damn void zone

again

[arctic socket]

Damn it jim

[royal lantern]

i can gurantee you that for 99% itss benefical to just take the ilvl upgrade cus of more mainstat, no matter the spec/class

[desert crest]

it is also rare to wipe because u did suboptimal dmg but that does not mean that doing dmg is not important

[ebon notch]

wait people dont do that??

[slate crown]

the second part of your statement doesn't follow from the first

Nobody said doing damage is not important

[desert crest]

if doing dmg is important then sec stats are also important

[royal lantern]

when do you wipe cus of dmg, and its because somebody has 5% haste and 8%vers instead of 12%haste and 3% vers lol

like, again

its SECONDARY stats

[slate crown]

you're doing your part, I appreciate your efforts. Your contributions will be remembered.

https://tenor.com/view/xrd-exrd-crypto-btc-eth-gif-23801255

[ebon notch]

:3

[royal lantern]

#1080572530554835072

or im calling quake

[vestal cliff]

hey guys quick question, if im on 12 sec rupture and garrote and my doublee shiv kb comes up, should i refresh rupture and garrote first before shiv kb?

[desert crest]

For me atm agility is lower stat weight than haste in st

[slate crown]

If getting to work on time is important, is it important that you sleep in your work clothes so you don't have to change in the morning and save time?

[royal lantern]

send the sim cus i REALLY doubt that

like, there is absolutely 0 way that mainstat is lower then secondarys

[sour cliff]

Heyo question. When in the cooldown sequence (not opener), what's the logic of the vanish after the second shiv? Why not vanish at the beginning of the whole cooldown sequence to get improved garrote asap?

[desert crest]

Was not my gear but the gear from the sheet but still https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qFo8bnWRwt4JTv65WefKf7

[snow kindle]

Believe it or not crit is stronger for FDK than STR occasionally lol

[slate crown]

You can refresh your bleeds during kb, you don't have to only cast envenom. Just keep uptime on envenom during the window, otherwise you can naturally refresh rupture/garrote when appropriate

[desert crest]

maybe i did seomthing wrong just did it quick

[royal lantern]

buffing the 2nd half of the Kingsbane window with Master Assasssin

[vestal cliff]

okay thanks <3

[royal lantern]

the sim is with frking ilvl 150 weapon mate

what the fuck

[sour cliff]

I figured but I didn't want to lead the question to be sure 🙂 Makes sense, that's when kingsbane is the biggest. Thank you.

[desert crest]

that is just the tooltip bro

[ebon notch]

language tryan!!

[royal lantern]

HECK

[desert crest]

u can see it says 638 right next to the gear

[tawdry mica]

should I be running sudden demise for 10-11 keys? I see many not using this talent

[spice surge]

My mom pays for this christian minecraft server and has the chat logs so if we keep using this kind of language she might shut it down

[rotund oak]

r3 gilded vials more profitable than gems