assassination

[jovial idol]

Broodsac is passive

[prime forum]

is the marked target of spyglass random or just "always" the first hitted mop?

[misty bough]

https://i.imgur.com/rGTT9lg.png

diminishes while moving

[jovial idol]

But that's not brood

[misty bough]

its literally dropped from brood

[gloomy heart]

Get siege ring

[subtle tundra]

thats from brood

[gloomy heart]

crit so low i feel

[subtle tundra]

i want that one

aaaaaaaaaaa

[misty bough]

https://i.imgur.com/IAT1ei0.png

[subtle tundra]

i have never seen it drop

[misty bough]

grabbed this from vault today

[subtle tundra]

PAWN DETECTED

[misty bough]

to replace wrthhing ringworm

[gloomy heart]

Big W

[jovial idol]

From Ovi nax, but there's a trinket with actually Brood in its name

[misty bough]

ive had pawn for years

[subtle tundra]

uninstall

it

it gives you only false information

nothing useful

[prime forum]

anyone know?

[misty bough]

Its just there since im used to it 😛

[gloomy heart]

I’m slowly running out of consums and i’m broke am i doomed boys

i’m gonna be parsing greys

[clever sapphire]

Timeto farm herbs for hours

[misty bough]

im finally gonna redeem my ulgrax parse today

I have been messing up the past 3 kills and got a green log on him 😛

[gloomy heart]

Okay i have a random craving

peach rings

am i cooking

[misty bough]

cooking peach rings?

https://i.imgur.com/PB7xz6Z.png these used to be rank 1s T_T

[gloomy heart]

I got 100 parse on fyrakk (killed it last week)

[misty bough]

all my damn sod logs wouldve been rank 1s if i got the fucking dagger

[clever sapphire]

Excuses

https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-skill-issue-krill-issue-gif-25572478

[fallen arch]

Sod logs were a shitshow anyway

With the cringe gem system

[misty bough]

about 20 sylv kills and we never saw a dagger

[fallen arch]

Domination sockets

My god

[misty bough]

I dont have the time to be in a high tier mythic guild this tier so im behind, cant log when ur behind T_T

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/kazzak/vulpen?zone=38#difficulty=5&bybracket=1 hc & myth ilvl logs looking alright, i just need to redeem my ulgraxz

[flat sleet]

crapy vault which feet should i take.... , stick with da BIS ones or take the crit/mastery ones

[dapper marsh]

do you not pair tea with kingsbane in aoe?

[subtle tundra]

you do

mastery good in aoe

[misty bough]

mastery always good

[dapper marsh]

that's what i thought

[lilac tangle]

Difficult choise...i have the Ovi'nax's Mercurial Egg ilvl 639, the sim don't help me a lot '-_-

[gloomy heart]

Ring prob

shits annoying to get

[misty bough]

its not even that good tbh

[keen spruce]

ring is probably harder to get on any dificulty

and hero spyglass is fine

plus there other good passive trinkets

[misty bough]

I would still sim 639 spyglass vs 626 ring

[keen spruce]

yeah the sims are probably fairly close

but the ring is likely harder to get

[subtle tundra]

he has ovinax trinket already

[keen spruce]

oh

then ring

[misty bough]

last time i checked hc ring it was a 0.7%

for me

[lilac tangle]

nop xD

[subtle tundra]

unless you hate that trinket, take ring

[lilac tangle]

but Ovinax egg sim realy strong

[flat sleet]

would take the ring

[plain summit]

My current neck is champion and gives vers while this one gives crit and mastery, but those two trinkets are nice too

[runic hinge]

You’re smelly

[plain summit]

Any tips?

[keen spruce]

tf an

man

i don't have it either

[subtle tundra]

definetly not the hc trinket

[runic hinge]

I have 626 ring

[grim jay]

I wish varas would finally give me a ring

Its been more than 6 years already

[subtle tundra]

i got a ring today

not the correct one so i can give it to you

[grim jay]

Duh

Im kinda done with rings

Since week 3

[subtle tundra]

you killed mythic ansurek week 3? and got the finger

gg!

[runic hinge]

I’ll give you the finger

[grim jay]

No but I also wont ever get the mythic ring because distribution

So im done

[grim jay]

[subtle tundra]

yea i wont get the mythic ring either

cause it goes to tanks first

[grim jay]

I had something similar with tanks wanting dps trinkets

[subtle tundra]

oh yea they get mandate too

first

[frosty bridge]

how tf do i live city of threads in a 16 man

[subtle tundra]

which part

[frosty bridge]

the 2 target boss is legit stupid

[grim jay]

Keep your HP at 1 or above

[frosty bridge]

Rot into Burst into rot

[subtle tundra]

get better healer

only way i die is if i get throw knife into throw knife

you have evasion/cloak for every icicle

• feint

you dont die

[frosty bridge]

yeah, tbf i dont die necessarily but it feels scawwy :3

[grim jay]

I mean thats what high keys should feel like

[frosty bridge]

Do you feint the dot on the last boss?

[subtle tundra]

ofc

lol

you have to

[sick scarab]

mmm what to take mythic tier chest or heroic rare queen ring ?

[frosty bridge]

Yeah for sure what it feels like kek

And then cloak the overlap i guess

[subtle tundra]

the slam i evasion if im not safe

and theres no raid defensive

the roots you can break out of them with cloak/vanish

almost all of them

[frosty bridge]

Do you save cloak for roots in case they don't break fast enough?

Ah, yeah fair

[subtle tundra]

i cloak it regardless

the moment the healer falls behind on healing, someone dies

you have to press defensives, not play it safe and use just in case

[fast mural]

Guys is it worth to craft second ring or play with this ?

[runic hinge]

Queen ring is very good and on par with basically any 639 ring also rare

[sick scarab]

tnx tnx i take ring then 🙂

[gloomy heart]

Yeah someone second this is it good

[fast mural]

if i craft second ring , i will be around 56% mast

[gloomy heart]

I have one crafted ring aswell

[grim jay]

Its always worth to sim your crafts

[fast mural]

ye sym says now i am at my best without the ring

😛

[subtle tundra]

in st?

[grim jay]

Then dont change anything

[subtle tundra]

could be

for m+ crafted ring probably better

[fast mural]

Yea, i think more mastery will pump

[grim jay]

But streamer x stacks vers

[fast mural]

well yea probably for 17s-18s vers with avoid can do can do

[grim jay]

Nah it was a meme

[subtle tundra]

i stack my nuts on your forehead

whats your opinion

[fast mural]

XD

[grim jay]

Honestly I wish you would

[subtle tundra]

🗣️

[grim jay]

Imagine it to be nice and warm

[sharp viper]

awww yiss ovinax egg in the vault

[subtle tundra]

i want eggs.....

[grim jay]

Its one of those trinkets youd take but not actually play it

Hope they one day stop designing gimmicky shit

[sharp viper]

I love gimmicky shit

not like it's gonna be hard to use

[grim jay]

Its stupid to use

Trinkets should just be use to gain stat, use to deal dmg, equip to gain stat/bonus or equip for a chance to proc

Thats it

[gloomy heart]

Yeah another crafted ring would be 0.5% upgrade

[sharp viper]

guess what, the egg just gives you stats, nothing more

[grim jay]

It adds a condition brother

[gloomy heart]

If i post my gear will someone suggest what i should make next

[grim jay]

An unnecessary one at that

[sweet sinew]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/txhbG7g4YvVFq9py#fight=2&type=damage-done&source=65 is there an obvious mistake why my envenom dps is so low? (don't mind the weapon switch mistake)

[grim jay]

Im pretty sure people will tell you to sim your options

[gloomy heart]

https://raider.io/characters/us/turalyon/Mcglizzy sim telling me chest but NO one makes chest

[grim jay]

I cant check because slow af internet, but did you compare darkest night procs to another log?

And crit chance in general

[sweet sinew]

not yet. checking that

[grim jay]

There are some that do actually

Its not really bad either

[gloomy heart]

I checked too 50 players and none do it

[grim jay]

Yeah they have different gear than you

And just because they dont do it doesnt mean noone does

[sharp viper]

yup exactly as he said

[gloomy heart]

Hmm maybe

I’ll sim it again tomorrow

[grim jay]

I mean think about it like that

Chest is a potential off piece slot

The off piece is m+ loot

[gloomy heart]

I have myth head shoulder

[grim jay]

Just like your other potential slots

[sharp viper]

if you can get mythic ansurek chest or super lucky with a chest from vault, you can use the chest as off piece

[gloomy heart]

I’d only have to farm glove pants if i crafted chest

i’m 632

[grim jay]

Like chest set piece doesnt really have better stats than any other chest

Also potentially the worst of the Set pieces overall

But its a major budget slot

So getting it to 636 is pretty good

Way better than getting a different piece to 636

[gloomy heart]

Yeah slowly getting out of range of upgrades it feels

[grim jay]

#wowheadnews message

Noone believed me it was coming

[sweet sinew]

doesnt seem that far of from that other rogue that did 300k more dps than me. maybe im not consuming the darknest night right?

I've been struggeling to find out what I'm doing wrong. my envenom dmg is low m+ and raid

[clever sapphire]

guys i need help because im lost
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sasVCGmXPinA1sW8825yaS
do i really take the ovinax trinket even though i already have the dawnbreaker trinket on myth track

ring is even a downgrade in dslice...

[torn mist]

this comment

[runic hinge]

is .5% worth your sanity of playing around it?

[clever sapphire]

dunno man, its either that or a ring thats a downgrade

[runic hinge]

or a socket?

[clever sapphire]

or a socket 2 weeks in a row

[runic hinge]

did you sim how much a socket is worth??

[clever sapphire]

i actually forgot hol up

[deft vault]

On court, does cloaking remove the web link?

[sharp viper]

so many egg haters

[deft vault]

A socket is like 6k

[sweet sinew]

anyone? 😦

[deft vault]

I can check in like an hour

[runic hinge]

are you building to 7 every time?

[sharp viper]

doesn't look like obvious mistake at first glance, just a very very short fight

[sweet sinew]

no

[clever sapphire]

aight socket simmed, trinket is still better, i guess its time for egg gaymings

[runic hinge]

you build to 7 from 5 twice in the first 20 seconds then built to 7 from 6

[gloomy heart]

Don’t you only envenom at cap combo points

[sweet sinew]

yeah there might be some issues on that due to playing on work computer 😄 had like 20 fps

[runic hinge]

5 or more except for darkest night

[sweet sinew]

trying to avoid using mutilate after 5cp

[runic hinge]

you can mutilate if you need to

[sweet sinew]

there are a lot of stuff that affects how much dmg envenom does. there has to be something obvious tho

[clever sapphire]

so how does one play with the egg? do i want to keep 20 stacks of the standing still or 20 stacks of the moving

[runic hinge]

you are wasting combo points from building to 7 too much and also you finished on 4 twice

[sweet sinew]

this is a fact. one thing to work on

[runic hinge]

that will help, more envenoms is more envenom damage

@spice spire i did some log review yw

[sweet sinew]

I guess my opener is a bit off too. I should envenom before deathmark kb combo

it's my first season since TBC as a rogue 😛 alot to learn

[runic hinge]

Also something that might help since your kill timer is so short is saving dm for your second kb if it’s in execute

[sweet sinew]

yeah that one isn't very good example of a fight 😄

[runic hinge]

Yeah true. Very quick. Not even 2 dms

[sweet sinew]

thank you for your help!

[runic hinge]

You’re welcome!

[cyan karma]

Is there ever a scenario where a 7 point finish becomes optimal? For example, some of these high keys where the pull numbers get masssive, Ive wondered if a 7cp crimson tempest would be better then a 5…. Just cause I noticed it’s doing 2nd top damage for me times I’ve looked… splatter first

[subtle tundra]

except they dont do more dmg

its longer duration.

[runic hinge]

^ that part. You’re just adding duration and having to build again. Damage scales linearly

If you’re in a pack of 5 and have 5 cp you could Fok again and lose 4 combo points

[cyan karma]

I’m thinking when your in a pack of 30 lol

[runic hinge]

Then you could lose even more lol

That’s worse not better lol

[cyan karma]

Ok cool ty… I dont play SD but would you consider it then when things are low?

[subtle tundra]

no

[runic hinge]

Sudden demise is inherently inefficient damage cause you need 150% to do the damage

If you’re playing sudden demise it’s for the 10% bleed damage and the execute passive is just a small bonus

[cyan karma]

No worries, I was curious if there was some secret tech where it could come into play… thanks guys

[runic hinge]

Math says it’s bad to do. But sometimes I do it anyways because I’m trying to steal damage from the other players because I’m greedy and I don’t do keys where it matters that much.

[subtle tundra]

yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

[novel star]

secret tech

that’s the sub spell

lock in

[runic hinge]

Should I learn to play deathstalker sub now?

[novel star]

ds sub feels pretty shit

im not gonna lie

it’s really bad

way worse than ds sin

in vibe

[sharp viper]

sadly 10% more bleed damage is not great with the current tuning

[grizzled cargo]

Hi! The wowhead guide says the best weapon embellishment for assassination is Ascension - but when I check raider.io most of the rogues are running with Blessed Weapon Grip. When I sim it, Ascension comes out 0.3% higher. Is the reason for the big dawgs running Blessed Weapon Grip that it scales better i higher m+?

[subtle tundra]

literally is

[subtle tundra]

ascension drops between packs

[grizzled cargo]

Ahh, ofc. Thanks!

[warm vortex]

👀
This vault acc looks super good
i don't have a mythic ring, or mythic gloves ard there are bis boots

Time to simmm

Ill feelk super bad about taking the ring as it's crit/vers tbh
not crit/mast
Gloves are crit/haste which i feel would be better

[grim jay]

Ngl I bet that guy does like 100k more than the tank and is pushing 8s

[runic hinge]

10% on ct is good

[grim jay]

What is a blessed weapon grip

[subtle tundra]

when i stroke the hog

blessed weapon grip

[grim jay]

Thats a deathgrip

[subtle tundra]

what country you from

need to find a high paying country that id like..

[warm vortex]

K gloves sim higher than ring in both ST and AoE

An easy 13 DB key aswell

634 now :D:D:D:D:D

[royal lantern]

iirc he is german

[subtle tundra]

i dont want to learn another language

efgrhgrnn

[grim jay]

Bro its alright if varas doesnt know

But I expected you to be sure of where I am from

[royal lantern]

just make random noises, and if somebody asks you answer with "ist n schwäbsicher aktzent"

[grim jay]

Ye thats kinda based

Should work

[subtle tundra]

ok david...

[grim jay]

Im not jewish

Sadly

[subtle tundra]

its a common name

wtf

[analog hornet]

I love it when my Autokorrektur changes my words to deutsch 😜

[grim jay]

Its still like VERY common in israel

[spring stream]

guten morgen

[grim jay]

Thats why my keyboard is set to english if I'm typing here for most of the time

What the fuck

There is a language called cornish?

[grim jay]

Also germany is not a high pay country

So unlucky either way

[subtle tundra]

im comparing to romania bud

[royal lantern]

just get rich parents

[grim jay]

Well yeah, but I assume he doesnt have rich parents

[grim jay]

Idk how they pay over there

[subtle tundra]

thats why i need high pay country...

[grim jay]

Actually

[subtle tundra]

so i can live and help my parents when they old...

🥸

[grim jay]

Thats so based

[runic hinge]

I also need a high paying country

[grim jay]

I mean

Kinda depends on your jobs really

[rotund oak]

got the worse vaults this expansion

nothing good

for my rogue

[grim jay]

Same

Im so frustrated I bought a new TV, pokemon violet, a new soundbar and a side by side refrigerator

[subtle tundra]

what high pay job does

[rotund oak]

ive had like some random myth track pieces but all the juicy stuff,wpns/trinkets,nothing,nada,zip,zero

[amber brook]

is tricks focus macro bugged?

[grim jay]

To help me get over wow

[amber brook]

Doesnt seem to work for me today

[subtle tundra]

maybe i go to low cost country instead

[novel star]

it scuffs sometimes

just /reload

[grim jay]

It sucks anyways

[oak tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/red-panda-panda-eat-standign-standing-panda-gif-11935871237159409863

[novel star]

naw it’s goated when it works

[subtle tundra]

wait thats literally me

[grim jay]

A mix should do it. Like I would probably earn double in america, but not really have that increase in reality

[grim jay]

Tricks sucks tho

[rotund oak]

best choice u could ever make for urself

unironically

[subtle tundra]

well i do live in a low cost country(kind of)

[novel star]

it’s nice in raid

[grim jay]

Its actually even worse in raid

But ye

[novel star]

dnc

[rotund oak]

was under the impression u are living either in the U.S or in Spain

[grim jay]

Varas is a romanian

[rotund oak]

ah cool

[peak lake]

!opener

[rotund oak]

ye Romania is pretty nice atm

[grim jay]

Sap, you strike me as a Black friday deal kinda guy

Did you buy stuff already?

[subtle tundra]

yea you dont know what just happened in the past 4 days

what our presidents gonna be most likely

💀

[grim jay]

Glad we are almost past that shit stage in germany

[rotund oak]

Ive made a deal before black fridat for a new pc and all 1.411 euro,pretty happy with it and im buying a new matrix for my bed

[grim jay]

Thats pretty good actually. Did gpus go down in price again?
Im down 3000 since last thursday

[subtle tundra]

well romania started going against the old parties, and we are so close to something decent

[rotund oak]

In terms of actual life costs,quality of life etc u are now better than Greece,hope u know that

we went from paradise to hell pretty fast

[royal lantern]

the "totally not shady stuff going on" tick tock thing?

[subtle tundra]

oh i know that

[royal lantern]

wait that was not romania

my bad

[subtle tundra]

nothing shady

[grim jay]

We had something decent and after that they just started actively working against their citizen
But ye, yours kinda sounds scuffed

[subtle tundra]

very easily explained

[rotund oak]

Im actually visitting zalau at xmas btw

[subtle tundra]

not a real place btw

[rotund oak]

[subtle tundra]

(to avoid confusion, it was a popular thing for a while to say Zalau doesnt exist)

[rotund oak]

a lol

[grim jay]

Zalau kinda reminded me of talahon

[royal lantern]

just like Bielefeld

[rotund oak]

coz ive got friends there,reallife good friends we played wow together and met

ive already went there twice

[kind forge]

[rotund oak]

Romanian ppl are very nice and cozy and open hearted and honest

love the culture

[royal lantern]

just like varas

[grim jay]

Well what else would you call an act of actively ruining like half your industry and making people pay insane amounts for nothing?

[subtle tundra]

when every party is saying bad stuff about each other, this guy didnt attend anything public, only advertised himself on tiktok as a fucking saint and he suddenly had 23% of the votes cause of propaganda

[grim jay]

Sounds like something that already happened. What are his views tho? Like bad bad?

[subtle tundra]

theres 2 votings

2nd one in 2 weeks

[rotund oak]

is that the ''nationalist'' dude?

[subtle tundra]

between nr1 and nr2

[royal lantern]

anti vax, anti gay, pro russia

aka

generic rightwing shithead

[subtle tundra]

anti EU, anti NATO

[royal lantern]

^

[subtle tundra]

delusional as fuck

saying women shouldnt give birth by c section

cause it intrerrupts their divine intervention

[rotund oak]

lol

[subtle tundra]

?!?

[rotund oak]

who the F is that crazy to say that

[grim jay]

Oh so kinda the trend of people getting to power. Actually insane that happens in multiple places

[grim jay]

Thats fucking wild

[subtle tundra]

the other candidate is a woman who is pro LGBT(romania is majorly conservative)

so people will vote him just so the woman wont be president

like america

👍

[novel star]

[rotund oak]

also religious AF,same as Greece in many ways

[royal lantern]

turns out

voters are dumb idiots that will 200% vote against themself and everyone else because somebody said "We can blame X group for all our problems and it will be solved!!!!"

[novel star]

we should kill conservatives imo

just in general

[kind forge]

true

[subtle tundra]

he is also a fan of the previous fascist romanian group

[novel star]

(for the fbi this is a joke)

[rotund oak]

chill with the killing man

[novel star]

i will in other situations where the chilling is deserved

[grim jay]

Im usually a pretty understanding person if it comes to views, but I never understood those

[novel star]

conservatives want me dead

the feeling is mutual

[royal lantern]

reminder that the top searched things in google america after the election was "what are Tarifs" and "can i change my vote"

the averge voter is REALLY fucking dumb

[rotund oak]

Ah u are in Turkey aight?yes thats a thing there

[novel star]

nyope

NA

[rotund oak]

then no one wants u dead

[novel star]

trans people really not having a good time lately!

[rotund oak]

2 wars currently what did u expect

love and hugs?

[grim jay]

Im totally not in that scene, but isnt america rather open compared to quite some other places? Except for some specific regions

[royal lantern]

mate, the biggest political party in germany has some of their guys openly saying "gay people are mentally ill and should be trated that way"

[novel star]

you are a disgusting freak and i will not elaborate

educate yourself

anwyays

assa spec is fun

[kind forge]

relax

[royal lantern]

you mean in population density?

[grim jay]

CDU/CSU has those?

[novel star]

i am now

[kind forge]

quite a lot

[royal lantern]

Söder 🙂

wenn du denkst es geht nicht blöder, kommt ein satz von Markus Söder 🙂

[grim jay]

Yeah alright, Söder

[balmy condor]

gibt doch ne tonne für södermüll oder

[kind forge]

i mean we are most likely getting a blackrock merchant as new chancellor ...

[grim jay]

I mean as in open to lgbtq people compared to some other countries

[grim jay]

Thats actually a good meme

[green pier]

sorry to change the conversation 😅 but is there a tier slot item we don't particularly care for that I should craft a piece to replace? currently running 5 set with gilded crests burning a hole in my pocket

[rotund oak]

germany is kinda conservative as well,as most of the europe is,alot of hate and stupid propaganda to get the money grabbing plans actually function

[hard garnet]

random question but in raid (mythic conent) when is it better to go Forced induction over the lethality talent tree? Like is there a condition such as secondary stats?

[novel star]

For now yes but they are actively aggressively cracking down on basic human rights for trans ppl in america

[royal lantern]

chest is overall the "worst" tier piece this raid

[novel star]

trump won the election and half his campaign was spent talking about how trans people are the devil

and all of the things he will do to punish us for living

unlucky!

[cedar hare]

Sac or crystal, Sac sims 9k in ST, Crystal sims 7,5k
ON Dungeon cleave Sac 9k again, Crystal 19k
2 Bosses Sac sims 9k again, crystal sims 21k

[royal lantern]

mate, it doesnt matter lol

change your sims to % instead of numbers

[novel star]

whatever one you like better

[royal lantern]

and see the difference

[novel star]

if the sacbrood icon .png makes you happy then take it

[rotund oak]

Im sorry for what has happened to u and all the hate u might endure but im not an enemy,ive got gay friends,even relatives and im having pretty good times,all amazing ppl.Also dont rly have anything against any other affiliation of the LGTBQ+ community they are all ppl.Calling ppl silly things is just wrong.Stop dramatizing sht that much and if u want ppl to chat we are here for you 🙂

[grim jay]

Well germany imo is kinda tough to approach as a whole. With multiple different cultures as of now and even inside those it really depends on how you get to some topics. Many people just dont want to get restricted for the sake of others.
(stupid extremists aside)

[royal lantern]

you dont really play lethality

[hard garnet]

Like is this down to your crit %?

[royal lantern]

sim, my man

[hard garnet]

oh ok was just looking at top 100 logs

[royal lantern]

stats dont matter

yeha, they are probs old

[hard garnet]

a lot of them were after the changes though which confused me

[royal lantern]

or they played lethality cus idk, simmed higher i gues

just sim and see for yourself

[novel star]

it’s not rly dramatizing, like obv there’s worse places in the world for it but it’s still a disaster what’s happening rn

[royal lantern]

there are no "stat breaktrought points"

[grim jay]

I really stopped keeping myself updated on americas news as there is quite some bs going on rn, but if its about denying basic human rights, it really sounds quite bad

[rotund oak]

yup 100% i think thats very true,even for other countries,france isnt rly that different either

[hard garnet]

ok cool now running a quick sim to see

[grim jay]

Wdym? The holy crit rate number always was a thing

[royal lantern]

i had 34% for 2months

not anymore

[novel star]

crit chance is always 50% idk why you would gear for it

[grim jay]

I personally dont really have a steady opinion either tbh, I dont really care what anyone does with their life and I appreciate every good person, no matter if they are trans or whatever. On the other hand I sometimes feel like it gets out of hand real quick with some people wanting to elevate certain groups over others in terms of standing or treatment, which really goes in both directions. The common ground is quite small, but yet not really all too different at the same time imo

[novel star]

you crit or you don’t

[grim jay]

Its always 0%, 50% or 100%

Because either you cant crit, you might crit or you will crit

[novel star]

i wanna raid….

[grim jay]

I need like atleast 2 more hours in my day today

[novel star]

to do what

[grim jay]

Work - Meeting - Gym - Raid
Currently idk if Gym fits in

[novel star]

gym during meeting

[rotund oak]

Yo old man,u dont gym more than 45min tops

maybe an hour

[grim jay]

Its a physical meeting

[novel star]

yeah

do squats around the table or something

[grim jay]

Gym is like 1-1.5h for me. I do track my weights and stuff

Also driving

[glacial stump]

What you squatting these days Davyn?

[rotund oak]

idk,i just wake up early in the morning and go for a run,lifting is done at work,as in im paid to lift stuff 😂

[grim jay]

Like 1 rep or in an actual set

[rotund oak]

saves time and exercise

[glacial stump]

1 solid rep

[subtle tundra]

🤓

[rotund oak]

[grim jay]

Duh idk, didnt do that for a long time. Maybe 170 or 180?

[grim jay]

I wish

The only thing I get from work is headaches and dry eyes

[glacial stump]

Nice, juicy

Defo a rogue player

[grim jay]

Ive heard real rogue pros hit 200kg

Im all about the eccentric movement in the last 1.5 years tho

Kinda forces you to lower weights, but it was pretty nice so far

[spice spire]

Ty

[grim jay]

GM
Can you review my log dog?

[spice spire]

Nah review this

[feral quiver]

Hey lads, With 4 Poisons, Does the order I apply poisons matter?

Outlaw zug normally

[spice spire]

No

[novel star]

nope

[feral quiver]

beauty

I always did in the order that made sense just in case

but never asked the question

haha

[royal lantern]

deadly->amp->atrophic->crippling i hope

[grim jay]

Unlucky, thought of it as a nice and thick wood

[grim jay]

Instant > wound > crippling > atrophic

[royal lantern]

[feral quiver]

Exactly the way I was doing that

haha

[feral quiver]

That explains so much gosh

[stiff vine]

do i hold deathmark for kingsbane to use together if i have them not aligned?

[novel star]

yea

ideally jusg don’t desync them

but if you do you kinda have to sync again asap

[wild sluice]

how is the transmitter on assa ?

[novel star]

very good

but annoying to use

same as every spec

[fervent nest]

is there a topic for vault advices or can I drop it here ?

[novel star]

best advice is just sim

but everyone drops their vault here anyway

and everyone gets told to sim

so go for it

[charred hinge]

drop it so i can live vicariously through you

[novel star]

skardyns

[charred hinge]

myth track skardyn's?

[novel star]

no question

any myth dagger is the same shit

[charred hinge]

you just wanted to flex

[novel star]

myth skardyns you’re prolly not seeing again

if you don’t take it

[fervent nest]

I dont have myth weap yet

[novel star]

craft one

you cant craft a skardyns

[charred hinge]

craft/mythic raid

can't do either of those for a mythic skar

[fervent nest]

thanks

[glacial stump]

https://tenor.com/view/panicking-gif-22262539

everyone seeing you hover weapon

[novel star]

[broken moth]

!macro

[novel star]

what macro are you looking for

[broken moth]

for tea

[novel star]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[broken moth]

thx ahahah

[tawdry mica]

Myth Ara kara egg is decent right, I’m replacing Hero Anub’s Crystal for it

[grim jay]

As decent as it sims

[tawdry mica]

Sadly it sims VERY slightly better than my current setup

So I’ll take it

Trash vault smh

[dim mural]

Got my second myth skardyn today

[west crown]

Yo ban this guy

Doesnt need to come up in here making me jealous

[stiff vine]

what is the crit sweet spot

[mint kindle]

like a lot

[royal lantern]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[subtle tundra]

34%

if i remember correctly

[fast mural]

Do we have any cap for mastery ?

[echo lark]

Is Rashanan cloak recommended for it's defensive value, as a can't get it to sim higher than first boss cloak?

[midnight mist]

got my third one today actually

[proud tangle]

The defensive proc is what people care about, not for its dps

[spice surge]

The defensive proc is not very strong

But its obviously better than nothing

[echo lark]

alright thanks

[royal lantern]

its a cloak that drops at max ilvl

thats all

[solar wyvern]

Mate

Are u cooked

[blazing pumice]

wtf is this

[rotund oak]

i think invisible is weird

like rly weird

[subtle tundra]

nothing weird

average siege of boralus death

[blazing pumice]

does that look like it is being dr'd though

[midnight mist]

i learned recently that you need to def before they are sent

i didnt even know

i have been tanking them natty forever

[spice surge]

Its not because you need to cast it before the cast

Not before it hits you

[subtle tundra]

yep

you look at timer, use feint before it should cast

and pay attention if he delays to use feint again

[blazing pumice]

that's so cringe

ty

[subtle tundra]

yep!

[blazing pumice]

it didn't make sense that it hit that hard through two drs

[midnight mist]

yep!

[spice surge]

Atleast feint doesnt have a cd

[midnight mist]

how you die tho

i have been natty tanking them in 16s

(i didnt know)

[subtle tundra]

youd be surprised how often i run out of feints

[blazing pumice]

aren't you playing ol

[midnight mist]

no

[spice surge]

9.8k overkill means he probably has slightly less vers than you or some shit

[midnight mist]

skill issue

[subtle tundra]

can also be no aug

[blazing pumice]

only 635

[subtle tundra]

no priest

[blazing pumice]

and yeah, no aug or priest

[midnight mist]

no aug

[subtle tundra]

aug plays with no attunement

etc

[midnight mist]

resto sham also give you 5% hp or something

its the same as priest

[spice surge]

Resto is 10%

Not 5

[midnight mist]

big

[subtle tundra]

priest is better cause he shields you all the time

[midnight mist]

sounds cap

[subtle tundra]

get better priesterman

go to church

[midnight mist]

wait wtf

they get 4% perma health increase?

this spec is so op ]

[royal lantern]

no salvation for french people

[midnight mist]

can they delete aug already

[royal lantern]

it was higher in df btw

thats the nerfed one

[midnight mist]

wtf

4% perma is nerfed?

no wae or

[rotund oak]

so for higher keys priests are better than hpalies or rsham or presvokers aight?

[midnight mist]

oh its an active

nvm

[royal lantern]

think it was 8%?

and ye

aug is a mistake

there is a reason why its the #1 meta since it exists

[midnight mist]

[royal lantern]

"dps spec, but with more utility" is such a horrible concept

wh, does dev even exist when aug is a dps spec that has more utility by default

like, bruh

[subtle tundra]

idk

probably considering everyone plays them

[manic sphinx]

!wa

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[spice surge]

Mw monk being slept on fr fr

Their damage is big

[orchid pewter]

Priest have bigger damage, bigger healing, bigger externals

[slow echo]

Do you want to reapply rupture before deathmark expires?

[orchid pewter]

They would be banging if they had ps instead of stupid bubble

[spice surge]

When deathmark expires the duplicated dots end

[slow echo]

I love you, thank you

[spice surge]

The bubble aint bad

[rotund idol]

If ur dots rupture etc have 7 seconds remaining and ur DM/KB has like 6 seconds till off cooldown. Is it worth delaying dm to spread dots or should we just CT and go straight into dm/kb?

[subtle tundra]

guys

i learnt something

[spice surge]

Its like 7M nowadays

[orchid pewter]

On tank its kinda poopy

[subtle tundra]

bandwagon fallacy

its what assa experiences a lot

[royal lantern]

wdym

[spice surge]

Theyre mostly using PS on non-tanks anyway

[subtle tundra]

it means that if something is popular, it means its right by default

[rotund oak]

gonna push for my punny 3k,just to say i did something this season,its good to know

[orchid pewter]

I mostly see it being used on tank, but i am also not doing higher then 15 so idk

[subtle tundra]

my tank calls for PS all the time

rescue and sac are used more often

[royal lantern]

i mean yeha, but what has that to do with assa

[subtle tundra]

like when people ask about talents/embelishments

etc

[spice surge]

Im not saying cocoon is better than bubble, im just saying monks are good

They do significantly more damage than priests

[subtle tundra]

dmg*

melee cleave is really good rn

[spice surge]

Spingod was doing around 1M overalls when casual played with him

[subtle tundra]

outlaw fury enha monk

big consistant dmg

[royal lantern]

oh ye, MW does absurd dmg

[spice surge]

Priest is at like 600-700k including PI

[cobalt haven]

oh nooooo they fixed the recraft thing?

[inland escarp]

I don’t think they did?

[normal mist]

Log out and log in and check again

[dusty phoenix]

now I understand what you guys meant by secondaries dont matter xd

finally happy with my destribution

[winged sun]

3rd time i get skardyn in vault fml

[cobalt haven]

Oh yea that worked good call ty

[winged sun]

[normal mist]

It's also a mistake to do stat weight

[spring briar]

Dude….i Never saw it 😂

[cobalt haven]

I thought I chalked it by not replacing the missive part as well and just adding an embellishment

[winged sun]

thing is i saw it last week too

[dusty phoenix]

I just checked it because I was curious

[winged sun]

[spring briar]

I stopped farming it. I got all Trinkets from RAID or M+. But never skardyn.

Its Like the Sark Trinket in DF

[pulsar pumice]

Hi All, Is there a max cap for Mastery for Ass Rogues?

[normal mist]

No

There are no real caps

Sim yourself

[pearl steppe]

how long after applying deathstalker's mark do you have to apply clear the witnesses?

does it expire or will it just wait for you to fan of knives

[dusty phoenix]

it expires I think in like 12 seconds it was?

[pearl steppe]

ok cool so that's a dece amount of time

[forest spoke]

i dropped a 603 sacbrood just now, and it's simming as a 1.5% dps loss from a 593 scroll of momentum (606 concoction kiss of death in other slot if it matters), in both ST & 5-target patchwerk sims. Does this sound correct? Just didn't wanna give to someone else if the sim is funny with the scroll for some reason, i saw on the guide that you have to use spring as part of your rotation with the scroll so didn't know if something odd was happening with the sim

[subtle tundra]

sim for scroll is funny

[pearl steppe]

does this also mean that when darkest night reapplies deathstalker's mark you get another clear the witnesses or does it have an internal cooldown longer than a darkest night cycle?

[west crown]

You get clear the witness from consuming DN

No IC

[pearl steppe]

nice ok that's good to know

i wasnt using fan after the initial one out of stealth post-ambush if i was single target dpsing

[icy acorn]

im pretty sure you get it from applying the mark even with ambush

[frosty bridge]

Yep

[pearl steppe]

yeah i know this part that's what i said

like i would apply it after ambush

but then never again

but i was just reading it and realized envenom reapplies the mark with darkest night

which means i should be fanning once per reset

(on single target)

[warm vortex]

Now I need one ring (assuming I equip the Lego ring next patch and it’s 639) and a neck and I’m full crafted/639

[sudden sigil]

For this vault would you grab trail in M or the cryustal in m?
Atm for trinkets i got Grace + Crystal (HC)/Egg (HC).
And i alreadyh have the neck in HC

[warm vortex]

Sim

If the neck gives higher dps chose it
If the trinket gives higher dps chose it

Also remember you can socket your neck

[sudden sigil]

i am simming

it was more if there was a clear cut answer

[warm vortex]

I mean
Simming gives you the clear cut answer

[sudden sigil]

true

[warm vortex]

It’s nearly impossible to give a clear 100% answer without it because of how much factors in

There are some items that are an insta take imo

Like mythic queen ring or mythic grace

But even then, I could think of some exceptions to that

Like if you have mythic transmitter, grace wouldent be that much of an upgrade

[arctic socket]

If you’re actively doing mythic raiding

Take the crystal

[cloud vortex]

are you all taking iron wire in M+ to help out with interrupts/cc?

[warm vortex]

If it’s a pug nearly 100%

Pre made, I still usually take it

But if it’s a low key like a 10 on smth like SoB or MoTS

[cloud vortex]

do you sacrifice 1 point of lethal dose for it?

[warm vortex]

I drop it

Fuck no

I normally take SD away

[pseudo river]

Ovi'nax's Mercurial Egg vs Empowering Crystal of Anub'ikkaj ?

[warm vortex]

LD is so good, I’d never see a point in dropping it before SD or SB or MA

Nice one

[arctic socket]

Crystal pog

[warm vortex]

Happens to the best of us TO

[warm vortex]

Sim

See what to stop

*drop

[arctic socket]

Can drop ttk

[warm vortex]

I’d say sim IW over TTK, SB and Ma

As TO said I’d personally go with dropping TTK

[arctic socket]

Dropping ma is wild huh

[warm vortex]

But you never know

[arctic socket]

Why would you ever say that

[fallen arch]

Dropping iw is wild to me

[warm vortex]

Meh I’ve seen some people run without it

Plus, depends if he has subter

[spice spire]

Ma isn’t that bad to drop

Esp if you’re not running double vanish

Idk experiment it

[warm vortex]

Yea 100%

[arctic socket]

W build

[fallen arch]

No sbs

Sbs bis

[warm vortex]

I can see that being nice in bigger keys

[simple gulch]

Can you play assa without skardyns

[fallen arch]

Don’t tell me anything else

[spice spire]

Bruh

[dawn pollen]

yes

[spice spire]

Yeah

[warm vortex]

10s without SBS sucks tho

[fallen arch]

I’ve been since start of expac

[warm vortex]

12s still feel kinda bad without sbs

[fallen arch]

It doesnt drop

[warm vortex]

But 14s no SBs should be fine

Imo

[simple gulch]

Thanks

[arctic socket]

You can drop sd for sbs

[dawn pollen]

Whats the command for finding weakauras?

[warm vortex]

No you can’t

You need to drop 2 things

[deep gyro]

Tbh no sbs feels so good to set up spatter earlier imo

[spice surge]

!wa

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[pearl steppe]

if you're talented into Serrated Bone Spikes is it worth rupturing early to apply 3 spikes fast?

[warm vortex]

You can only get SBS after taking doom blade

[pearl steppe]

assuming a single target

[fallen arch]

I know, l but I like sd too

[arctic socket]

Might be sd and sanguine

[warm vortex]

Fair

[arctic socket]

But once you’re playing without sbs for a few keys

It’s easy to get used to

[warm vortex]

Meh what level keys are you doing

And I agree tho

[desert crest]

Not having IW lets u focus on just doing dmg tho that has to be worth at least like 10% lol

[cloud vortex]

gonna do 12s soon

[warm vortex]

More you run w/o SBS the more used to you get

[simple gulch]

I’m gonna have to craft some mastery stuff since I’m outlaw rn

[fallen arch]

I don’t think so tbh

[warm vortex]

GL, imo getting everything on a 12 was easier than getting it all on a 10

[fallen arch]

The silence is just too good in most dungeons

But to each their own

[spice spire]

You know where else silence is good?

[cloud vortex]

10s suck

[desert crest]

Yeah i agree it is very strong in some of the keys i run it ín them as well

[cloud vortex]

got the hunter wiping us while flaming the lock for low dps

[spice spire]

Here when arguing about builds

[fallen arch]

Yes

[warm vortex]

We aren’t arguing ill?

[spice spire]

You get me oz

[warm vortex]

There’s a difference between a discussion and an argument

[simple gulch]

I managed to get both crit mastery rings from SoB and GB, are those bis

[warm vortex]

At least I feel like it isn’t an argument

[spice spire]

Yeah and I’m being a lil shit

It’s not

[desert crest]

They are good yes gz

[spice spire]

[warm vortex]

You never are dude

Always a legend tbf

[spice spire]

Literally always am

[cloud vortex]

unrelated, does the 636 ring craft bug still work for free ring upgrade?

[arctic socket]

12s now are rough

All the shitrers

Are in them

[warm vortex]

Meh for me it was the opposite

[arctic socket]

Hard stuck

[warm vortex]

When I did all my 10s all the idiots were there

I remember having a super good tank in SoB, did a good route then before last boss said

“Everyone focus grasping”

And I just

[spice spire]

Yes

[warm vortex]

Sank

I might craft a 636 ring soon

Acc

Eh

Only 3 items not 636/639 are 2 rings and neck

[spice spire]

Why are you stuck step rogue

[warm vortex]

Prolly on the ship in DB

Gotta love getting stuck on a random piece of ship and not getting stealth cause of it

[potent lintel]

Is there a list for BIS mythic + trinkets?

[arctic socket]

I’m done with wow

Playing rust now

[warm vortex]

Tier list on wow head but always sim

[arctic socket]

[spice spire]

Respect that homie

[spice spire]

Damn I hope you get unstuck big dog

Hate that bug

[warm vortex]

No like

[potent lintel]

what would be appropriate sim settiings for average pull? 10 bosses 20 seconds?

[warm vortex]

Not inside

[warm vortex]

On the ship

[arctic socket]

280 hours

[warm vortex]

?????

[arctic socket]

In 2 weeks baby

[simple gulch]

I’m gonna make crit mastery ring and dagger

[cloud vortex]

i think im gonna drop sbs

[warm vortex]

Just sim dslice

[simple gulch]

[arctic socket]

If you drop sbs

It’s like

Weird weird

At first

[simple gulch]

Is this a good idea

[potent lintel]

Sim settings when you select how many bosses duration of fight etc

[arctic socket]

And you also kinda wanna make sure the mobs don’t die in 3 seconds

[warm vortex]

Tbh

[arctic socket]

Yeah sounds safe

[warm vortex]

I think having SBS is better than not having it

[simple gulch]

Sbs is nice

[warm vortex]

But 2 points in talents frees up some

Wacky things

[simple gulch]

Free rupture after

In aoe

[simple gulch]

[warm vortex]

Also if we are all on gear here’s mine

[simple gulch]

What’s the first dagger

[digital field]

+1k avoidance or +0.3% on aoe and dung slice?

[arctic socket]

Mythic second boss

[simple gulch]

Ok

[arctic socket]

Crafted helmet?

Wild

[simple gulch]

Suseg

Why does assa want crit

I’m curious

[arctic socket]

Assassin wants all stats tbf

[simple gulch]

Ok but I meant why does it want crit specifically

Is there some interaction

[arctic socket]

Crits good?

[warm vortex]

Was a bit ago

[simple gulch]

I know a lot of specs don’t want crit

[spice spire]

Why wouldn’t we want crit

[warm vortex]

Simmed what would be best to craft and helmet and belt were 2

[drifting cloud]

seal fate

[spice spire]

We love it for seal fate

[arctic socket]

Crit gives us more energy and combo points right?

[spice spire]

The only thing it loses slightly is value in dsm due to dn

But

We still like it a bit

[simple gulch]

Is seal fate critical strikes give more combo posts

Points

[spice spire]

Sort of

Crit from poisons is energy Gen with dashing

[spice spire]

Yes

[burnt dome]

Dsim tells me to pick Ovinax, but feel like empowering would be better cus avoidance + ilvl - is Ovinax really that good? I only play M+ and barely see any top players use it

[arctic socket]

Ye I thought so

[warm vortex]

Just sim
If you wanna know baseline if
I believe it’s speed>agil>crit = mast>haste>vers
speed lets you get back to the boss after wiping faster so it’s the best

[simple gulch]

I wish we had more energy gen

In st

[warm vortex]

What trinks you got

[arctic socket]

[burnt dome]

other is skardyn

[arctic socket]

In st?

[warm vortex]

And I’d say sim trink at same levels

[arctic socket]

We are way over energy capped

[warm vortex]

What

[arctic socket]

Single target we are like swimming in energy

[burnt dome]

I simmed them both at max I could upgrade them to, as I'll never get mythic ovi

[warm vortex]

Tbf low energy is Assa design

[simple gulch]

I thought we had issues with energy gen in st

Am I smoking

[warm vortex]

He is being sarcastic

[arctic socket]

In m+ if you’re meaning yeah I guess?

[warm vortex]

KEK

[tawdry mica]

I just got vault arakara egg today, might run the same trinkets as you

[simple gulch]

[warm vortex]

Both are mythic

[arctic socket]

Like m+ single target can be rough yeah

[warm vortex]

All items are 636/639

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[arctic socket]

But if you meaning raid ST we are chilling

[simple gulch]

Does sin still do good damage outside of cds

[tawdry mica]

yeah I can tell, good good

[warm vortex]

I mean “swimming” in energy would assume we got infinite

[simple gulch]

Say you go to a pack without dm

[warm vortex]

Yes

[burnt dome]

yes

[warm vortex]

Assa still does good dps outside CDs

We just do more when CDs are up like everyone else

[simple gulch]

Bet

[warm vortex]

Sub rogue is the one that does nothing outside CDs

[simple gulch]

[arctic socket]

“ sub”

Makes since

[spice spire]

Ur main

[simple gulch]

Their cds have a lot of multipliers

And buffs

[warm vortex]

Exactly

[simple gulch]

So makes sense

[grim jay]

I wish I would be your main

[spice spire]

Sorry king

[simple gulch]

Man*

[spice spire]

[simple gulch]

[spice spire]

Man thinks he’s joji

[grim jay]

Wdym joji

Do you mean koji?

[simple gulch]

Who is joji

[arctic socket]

Joji these nuts

[simple gulch]

[warm vortex]

When I was sub at start of expac

This was my dps graph

[grim jay]

Do you think you are as funny as suggon?

[simple gulch]

Is black smoke finally doing damage

[arctic socket]

Suggon Dese nuts

[spice spire]

Dude sings a song called your man

[warm vortex]

If you mean black powder
I assume still no

[simple gulch]

Yes