assassination

[lethal turtle]

Please make sure I am removed from your foreskin before you do this. What the fuck

[snow kindle]

at this point you can probably get away without being gnome but its w/e

[drifting cloud]

they removed a set

[arctic socket]

If you don’t want to go gnome you could spec double vanish

[spice spire]

[shrewd night]

What in the fuck

[snow kindle]

ight dont do that lol

[arctic socket]

Am I wrong tho

No

[ember mural]

[arctic socket]

[snow kindle]

not wrong but definately not right at all

[spice spire]

Double vanish in raid is vile work

[snow kindle]

[restive falcon]

Thank you

[arctic socket]

Ngl goes hard on brood

[slim pebble]

I’ve been so busy today. Any good vaults

[spice spire]

Couple skardyns

[restive falcon]

I am getting freedom I think for 1 set so should I save cloak?

[arctic socket]

If you go gnome you won’t have to cloak

[drifting cloud]

theres only 3 sets now, if youre getting freedom you dont have to be gnome at all

[snow kindle]

idk why theyd do first set with no gnome it should be cloak > vanish > freedom or breaks

[restive falcon]

Oh idk what set they r freeing me I was just told I’m getting freed on 1 set

[snow kindle]

if you HAVE to get it first set id save yes

[restive falcon]

Idk which order my bad

Maybe first night I go no gnome and if it’s cringe I just race change

[snow kindle]

yea it really shouldnt be that bad rn

unless like you have no paladins

[pure moth]

Going double...

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/sinners-voyager-star-trek-star-trek-voyager-the-doctor-voyager-gif-18197277934218494199

[slow marsh]

getting massive upgrades from lfr always feels nice i guess

[spice spire]

Massive?

What could you have gotten from lfr?

[proven jasper]

deez

[vernal adder]

[slow marsh]

Top to bottom

[junior aurora]

transmog

[lethal turtle]

Imagine how many pieces of gear Quake would drop if he was a raid boss

[junior aurora]

the only upgrades left

[spice spire]

I’d never drop gear

(Roids are bad)

[lethal turtle]

Gonna fill your bellybutton up with roids and push on your tummy to dispense one like a PEZ candy toy

[spice spire]

Hot

[gloomy heart]

So hard. to get. upgrades

[keen spruce]

you should still have like 6 hero slots

those are pretty gud odds

[gloomy heart]

yeah need to do mythic raid

[keen spruce]

pugging 4/8 does cover a LOT of slots

for leather

cloak, belt, legs, hat, wrist, wep, boots, ring, gloves, shoulder belt

and 2 very rares

[spice spire]

Wait shmeeps

Gym check

[keen spruce]

i went yesterday

did chest

almost died

[spice spire]

Hell yeah king

[royal lantern]

he is flying rn

[spice spire]

Carry on

[keen spruce]

forgot to eat before going

[spice spire]

Didn’t eat all day until right before

Solved the age old question

[keen spruce]

i had breakfast just not lunch

I'm gonna go in a few min too

i think maybe back

cuz i gotta go shopping and walk around later

[spice spire]

Does a full size publix chicken tender sandwich preworkout? Yes it does

[keen spruce]

and i want my legs to function

[spice spire]

I did arms and back yesterday

Got back to 75 hammer curls

For 3/4 sets

[keen spruce]

I kind of do push pull but don't do a lot of specific focus on arms

[spice spire]

But quicker than I thought

[keen spruce]

i'm rather weak

[spice spire]

I did before I tore my lat

[keen spruce]

still trying to lose weight

[spice spire]

Yeah I’m also like 1.5x ur weight

[keen spruce]

i mean stronger than i was

[dapper cradle]

had a minor disc herniation 2 weeks ago

no more cycling or lifting

so sick

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/bookio-gif-13932157847762104386

[spice spire]

Back discs are no joke somnius

You can

Just have to take it easy

[dapper cradle]

yeah I know, I'm just impatient with it

[keen spruce]

you're 345lbs?

[dapper cradle]

and it knocked me out of my routine

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

Okay a little less

[runic hinge]

[spice spire]

But like 310ish

[keen spruce]

bruther you're fuckin yoked

[dapper cradle]

bro built like a kul tiran

[spice spire]

No I’m fat as fuck

But

[keen spruce]

but powerfat

[spice spire]

Gained a lot of muscle this year through work

[dapper cradle]

bro built like mannoroth

[spice spire]

I’ve probably lost like

[keen spruce]

not supersized fat

[spice spire]

50ish

[keen spruce]

you always struck me as wirey goblin gamer

[spice spire]

Absolutely not

[keen spruce]

not chungus beastmode gamer

[spice spire]

Been a big guy my entire life

[hollow kettle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[spice spire]

Nah at my worst I was definitely in the 4s

Soon to hit the 2s

[keen spruce]

fking proud of you king

[spice spire]

Just gotta keep working

And it’ll get there

[keen spruce]

kinda gets easier once you get into a routine and see results

part of me wants to get under 2 again but i'd be skinny af

[dapper cradle]

cycling is giga pog for heart health and weight loss

[keen spruce]

and i'm not a spry lad anymore

I don't think skinny would suite me

[spice spire]

I think a nice balance is where I’m aiming toward

[arctic socket]

Dad bods be hitting diff

[spice spire]

I really do need to hit cycling more

[keen spruce]

I've got a lil too much dad in the bod

[spice spire]

I’m bad about lifting heavy and not doing cardio outside of my walking at work

[keen spruce]

I could be a super healthy 230 if I put on a mountain of muscle

[spice spire]

Which is like

[keen spruce]

but i don't wanna look like a linebacker either

[spice spire]

8k-12k steps a day

[keen spruce]

i mean that's a decent amount

[arctic socket]

Rookie numbers

20k or flop

[spice spire]

Yeah ik

Guess I’m flipping dog

Flopping even

[keen spruce]

I only do like 10 minutes of sprints on the bike

before lifting

[spice spire]

Hot

[keen spruce]

then rot on my computer

[spice spire]

I do a lot of resistance bands motions

Before lifting

So I avoid

[dapper cradle]

warmups are huge

[keen spruce]

I just don't like being in the gym that long i get kinda bored

[spice spire]

Tearing a muscle

Again

[arctic tusk]

nerubar has been completed

[keen spruce]

well yeah

that's a good point

I need to start stretching again

[spice spire]

I workout at home during the week

[keen spruce]

or get back into martial arts

[spice spire]

Just have the weights I need at home

And a bench

But for squats and stuff

Gym is king

[keen spruce]

I don't do big compound movements

rn

cuz i'm frail

and no gym friends to spot

and I don't wanna be that guy getting crushed on the bench

with 135lbs on the bar

[spice spire]

I just deal with it and slide it off

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

Unless

Like

I’m going for heavy heavy

Then I just ask for a spot

99% of people love to help

[keen spruce]

yeah i'm super antisocial at the gym

[spice spire]

I kind of am too

[keen spruce]

which is weird cuz i'm normally very chatty

with strangerse

[spice spire]

But if I’m asked to spot or need help I’ll ask

And chat them up

But time is limiting

So I’m trying to get in, get out and chill

[keen spruce]

I'll probably mix up the routine once i lose another 20lbs or so

go a little heavier try to get some strength and muscle built

[spice spire]

That’s why I have a decent set of weights at home

[keen spruce]

i live on a 5th floor condo above a bank

so that's not rly an option

soon tho

[spice spire]

Up to 90s but in reality unless I’m really pushing; I’m not going to go above that

Oh I mean dumbbells

[keen spruce]

we go airline, we buy house, we make gym

we find nice girl to marry

[spice spire]

Hell yeah brother

[keen spruce]

we have affair with quake

[spice spire]

[dapper cradle]

[keen spruce]

we lose the house in the divorce

[tepid trout]

Hi guys, sorry to interrupt the gym pumps, i am new to rogue and i am looking to get better, i have seen on the rotation to cast " Thistle Tea" but it also says it auto casts at 30 or below energy, should i be casting it manually more?

[keen spruce]

we get new house with quake

[spice spire]

Just during shiv

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[dapper cradle]

you wanna cast tea for energy during shiv

[spice spire]

This macro accomplishes exactly that

[tepid trout]

Oh, amazing, thank you so much

[keen spruce]

and it lets you just unbind tea

if you want

[spice spire]

No worries homie, good luck!

[spice spire]

Still saving for that one king dw

[keen spruce]

you can be my trophy husband dw

[spice spire]

Thank god

Social work doesn’t pay shit

[umbral sigil]

quickwick candle or die

shit is somehow outsimming everything by a LOT

[celest helm]

!restealth

!re

!stealth

F

[spice spire]

It’s gone

What are you asking king

Or do you just want proof about restealths

[dapper cradle]

it's over at this point

[spice spire]

Joever even

[celest helm]

proof

[dapper cradle]

he wants proof that if you don't run double vanish, you lose a gorillion dps

[celest helm]

discussing restealths with a tank for fun thought we had a command

[maiden lake]

anyone got a profile on a addon to help with kicks ? can barely see them casting with my profile

[dapper cradle]

restealths before certain packs are definitely huge

so you can throw out iron wires

[maiden lake]

anyone ?

[dapper cradle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[dapper cradle]

whispyr and ceverion have good platers

[coral ibex]

just get a dungeon cast weakaura

[dapper cradle]

I think they use quazii's dungeon pack

[strange python]

tier or wep for myth track? wich one first

[dapper cradle]

quazii's shit is always awesome

[strange python]

idk how!

[dapper cradle]

!!!

[maiden lake]

quazis one i use just cant see spells being casted clearly ^^

[dapper cradle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7pdOJS3d0M

she's got a good explanation

• it's naguura

[spice spire]

We did -

But it’s gone because it just ended up being a dead talking point

Iirc

[runic hinge]

toxic

People come in complain about not getting stealth

[spice spire]

Hero is smarter than that.
Good lad

[runic hinge]

we explain it doesn't matter

they said we're stupid and leave the discord

[spice spire]

I mean they’re not wrong

[runic hinge]

yeah that's fair

[spice spire]

Just not for that reason

[strange python]

Thank you :_

[spice spire]

If the tank is baby chain pulling it’s bad. But in the scope of keys he’s trying I’m going to assume that’s not what’s happening

Or pray it’s not

[cobalt sphinx]

😍

[arctic socket]

!vanish

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[arctic socket]

!stealth

!restealth

Sadge

!sad

[neat eagle]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[slow marsh]

Just want to make sure I got this correct, if we have 6 cp, no mark up but have the buff thingy, we mut on 6 to get 7 to reapply mark ?

[novel star]

yes

you also do that mut even if it means dropping rupture uptime

it feels like shit but unlucky!

[slow marsh]

damn

[winged quail]

hero talents added new gameplay 🙂

nobody said it would be good

[tall flint]

anyone got any plater profiles good for assassination?

[spice spire]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[slow marsh]

Is there a world we fan instead of mut for energy efficiency to get the last cp for mark

[tall flint]

POG

[novel star]

nope

because you lose all the damage of mutilate itself

[spice spire]

Yeah the world where you have a ctw proc

[novel star]

and the talent interactions with mutilate

[spice spire]

That’s about it

[slow marsh]

yeah ctw i figured as much

[novel star]

if anything

if we cared more about overcapping than getting dn back up

youd actually feel bad about ctw

cause it guarantees 2 cp lol

just hit the darn mutilate and cry about it

game is shit

[slow marsh]

what other synergy is there with mut

[novel star]

wdym

[slow marsh]

DB i guess

[winged quail]

it also hits twice which is twice as many poison appliction chances

[slow marsh]

yeah that was the other thing i was gonna say

that's why i was interested to see if the 15 energy would be greater or less than the seemingly small dam difference

[spice spire]

Overcap and take the L

Wait

[novel star]

doomblade + systemic failure + poisons + blindside proc chance + just upfront damage, fan kinda sucks

[spice spire]

What if we pk’d

[slow marsh]

momentum of despair procs on any fan crit right?

[spice spire]

Yes

[novel star]

yup

used to technically be a minmax where you could ct after a fan crit for 0.3% st gain but thats not a thing anymore

[slow marsh]

yah i guess i'm talking from hybrid build perspective where there's no deeper + systemic

[novel star]

its still not worth without that shit

lole

[cold fable]

Should i use Ironclaw Whetstone? or Bubbling wax in M+?

[static glacier]

genuinely

fuck whoever at the top end spread this no iron wire garbage

had a gb 10 on my hunt, rogue has barely any kicks, tank is getting one shot every 3rd pull bc 600 ilvl

and this pig has the nerve to talk about being in full stun

i check and this piece of shit was spec'd out of iron wire

u cant make this shit up

[runic hinge]

People think they can just not take it despite the fact these top rogues play in coordinated groups

[static glacier]

bro i realised something was up when on the pull with 3-4x casters i had to use frost trap and knock to stop two casts when we had a rogue in the pull

having sin means u get a good 6-10 globals of chill at the start of every pull

[coral ibex]

sorry bro iron wire is a 5% damage loss only shitters take iron wire

gotta get that extra dps to charm all the egirl healers

[spice spire]

This is insane work ngl

[static glacier]

i wonder how much dmg loss we took as a party bc mobs weren't stacked / bc tank got deleted

[arctic socket]

To be fair you have a prot paladin

[coral ibex]

look at my big throbbing overall bar

[arctic socket]

And a monk

So

[spice spire]

Hey king

[arctic socket]

He could opt to not use it

[static glacier]

he lost the overall too

[coral ibex]

also that, prot pala and monk can handle basically any pack

[arctic socket]

To a hunter?

[static glacier]

prot pally was 600 ilvl, fearing death every global

[spice spire]

Blud was not focusing kicks

[static glacier]

i dont blame the tank

[lethal turtle]

tbf you dont need ironwire to stop a stun channel. prob just buncha noobs not familiar with toon

[arctic socket]

He lost to a bunter

[spice spire]

I don’t either

[balmy condor]

Okay but if he took iron wire he might’ve done like 1.48 and that’s not a round number

[spice spire]

I’ve done a ton of keys as an undergeared tank

And uh

[arctic socket]

I blame quake

[spice spire]

True

[arctic socket]

1.48 is a round number

[spice spire]

My mists propaganda works

[arctic socket]

You mean 1.49???

[static glacier]

highkey if he took iron wire he'd have done more overall bc we'd have not had as many pulls being killed with the tank dead

[balmy condor]

I said round not even you dolt

[arctic socket]

It round enough

8 is like

2 zeros on top of each other

[lethal turtle]

In a high key no one is having to kick cause the prot pally piloting it is good and has 89 interrupts at end of dungeon

[balmy condor]

Okay but that’s just hypothetical xdddd

[balmy condor]

Okay you make a good point

[arctic socket]

[static glacier]

might i add he was 634, it was just a misplay in general from him

[spice spire]

Send him the notes king

Put him on blast

7 kicks is incredible work too

[arctic socket]

Can we get his name?

[spice spire]

Snëaky - Dalaran

[jade abyss]

"tricks

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[warm vortex]

Noob question
In m+ ST is it worth staying above 50% energy for SB

[spice spire]

Opposite

You wanna be below so ur energy doesn’t get sucked

[warm vortex]

What if i wanna

ok

obvious joke ouytta the wa

ythanks il

[spice spire]

HUH

[lavish geyser]

Saw a dude play ovi, he was just sending evrything on cd, is that what should be done? I mean he was pumping. But like does it make sense to hold cds for add phases or do they die too quickly?

[spice spire]

Anytime big dog

[coral ibex]

idk man in pugs people literally race to kick, i hold my kick for when 4/5 of the kicks are on cd bc everyone needs to be the guy topping the interrupt meters

that shit is so stupid

[spice spire]

Sure but 7-12-18

Is a massive gap

Not counting prot pal because yeah

But

There’s a difference between holding

[gloomy heart]

HOLY SHIT ULDUAR TW IS CLUTCH

[spice spire]

And just doing dam ig

[coral ibex]

overlapping kicks makes me wanna blow up

[spice spire]

In November?

[lethal turtle]

Hello my name is Up

[gloomy heart]

wait guys

is this lowkey cracked

[coral ibex]

yes

it’s good

[gloomy heart]

holy shiet

[lethal turtle]

sim it

[gloomy heart]

invincible and a trinket

[coral ibex]

ulduar trinkets were always Really Good

historically

[gloomy heart]

my heart is racing

[lethal turtle]

Diabetic?

[spice spire]

He failed November

[gloomy heart]

no just did yogg saron on TW and invincible dropped

[spice spire]

Damn

[gloomy heart]

i got so hype

[wide flame]

anyone know if the ring crafting watermark tech is still available?

[spice spire]

We lost a real one

Should be, nature

[lethal turtle]

yes

[wide flame]

sweet

[novel star]

u mad bro?

optimal overall deeps

[gloomy heart]

What would u drop iron wire for

nvm ig that trinket is SHIT

[slim hamlet]

No iron wire has to be the dumbest choice I have seen as long as I have been playing wow

[lethal turtle]

?

[spice spire]

Unsure if you’ve read yourself sometimes their aot

[paper tapir]

Don’t need it some key

[slim hamlet]

aot?

[spice spire]

I’ll let you think on it

[slim hamlet]

idk jack shit about this seasons dungeons, but I assume you also wont be needing the super smal dps increase, I am talking about general choice

[slim hamlet]

attack on titan mentioned

[spice spire]

Or just your name since df here

[slim hamlet]

oh shit

[lethal turtle]

eat his ass

[spice spire]

You can drop for mists

Grim is a bold choice

[slim hamlet]

on god?

[lethal turtle]

GB SV are the only places really needed

Can argue for NW

[warm vortex]

Why

[slim hamlet]

There is a difference between needed

[warm vortex]

are you so

goddamn aewsome

<3

[slim hamlet]

and just making the dungeon much easier

[warm vortex]

If you wan't to ruin your day

[lethal turtle]

I am biased bc I have friends that I push with

[warm vortex]

go into GB without IW

[slim hamlet]

Friend flexer smh

[lethal turtle]

I do not pug

If you pug you take IW in 4/8 dgns

[spice spire]

Whatcha pushing bud

[warm vortex]

Ive done a 14 pug

[lethal turtle]

Everytime

[slim hamlet]

Cant wait until they run assa in TGP with no iron wire because they actually might need the small amounts of dmg there and then people in their +3s copy it

[warm vortex]

Bro im getting declined to 10s as an assa at 3K rating

guess i need 3.1 :(

[snow kindle]

no one runs iron wire already

😭

[spice spire]

Nah you need some bitches

[slim hamlet]

[spice spire]

I’m sorry you didn’t deserve that

[lethal turtle]

TGP def about to have a sin rogue with the new ring in it

on god

[warm vortex]

What cringe build for m+

nonio its fine

it was funny X)

[lethal turtle]

ring gonna be doing 10% of our overall

[slim hamlet]

Holy shit

I cant wait to make min-min builds again

[warm vortex]

Wait

ignore the 2nd one

wrong build

i meant this one

[dense cove]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[snow kindle]

no scent of blood

is insane

[slim hamlet]

SBS
CB

[tawny geyser]

Rushed Setup 😂

[warm vortex]

Whispyr suggested the second one to me ;)

Yes i did ask for a weird build

and tbf

it's really fun

when you cna build

Holy shit your envens hit so hard

[slim hamlet]

Any no CT enjoyers in TWW?

[warm vortex]

i think highest was a 20 million in first boss tirna ramp w this build

[tawny geyser]

Why would you need Rushed Setup tho? 😛
Take Shadowrunner, gotta go fast

[warm vortex]

Ct is

insane

what are you on about

[slim hamlet]

Just asking if it was a thing

[spice spire]

I missed u(s)

[warm vortex]

If you mean crimson tempest

then yea it's

[slim hamlet]

It was a thing for tyran in DF

[warm vortex]

insane

[spice spire]

He does

[coral ibex]

it is not a thing bc CT cranks damage

[slim hamlet]

Well it did in DF too

[spice spire]

Aur a bit of a funny one

[warm vortex]

Fuck it

[spice spire]

Nah

[warm vortex]

fatebound time

[snow kindle]

CT is just free since it costs no talent point to get

[spice spire]

It cranks hard

Here

[warm vortex]

imma see if i can get a higher coinflip streak than

12

casue thats the highest i got last time

[slim hamlet]

Well it costs 2 compared to the high key DF build

[dense cove]

is ascendance and writhing still bis atm?

[warm vortex]

Sim

If you have two 639 weps 100% no
But if you have a lower ilevel MH it might be a good ide ato look into it

But always sim before getting them :D

[dense cove]

thanks!

[snow kindle]

i like ascen because im never hitting the 80% uptime

[glad tusk]

i'm having trouble doing good dmg on single target bosses in Mythic plus ( so in mythic plus talent spec ) and idk what to do to improve on it. Anyone has tips for how to improve / learn it better?

[snow kindle]

every reclear we run less n less healers

[arctic socket]

What if I don’t wanna do dread

[keen spruce]

We don’t really do great ST

[warm vortex]

Too bad

[keen spruce]

Especially in higher keys where a lot of energy is getting gobbled up by feint and vial

[glad tusk]

ye, thats the issue im having alot

having to press feint on the high keys and everything feels so slow

[spice spire]

Better to hand off kb and pool then

If you’re just drained

[crystal glen]

!va

[limber lion]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[grim plover]

What lvl of keys do u play

[crystal glen]

Thanks Ceverion ^^

[keen spruce]

Kind of is what it is

Just try to get as much value out of CDs and try to maintain envenom uptime outside of that

[dense cove]

what's the blue line with envenom on the updated WA?

[keen spruce]

It’s very slow

[keen spruce]

Pandemic

If you’re talkin about whispyr’s

[dense cove]

ahh yes, makes sense that's awesome

[limber lion]

Np

[spice spire]

np

[limber lion]

Listen here Ill

[spice spire]

Listening

[velvet vault]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vast nymph]

whats your guys' general approach to parse better on Ulgrax mythic? I just cant seem to parse decent on him. when do you start your burst window? save any CD for adds?

[novel star]

not worth saving cds and shit the adds die too fast

just pick a high hp one and spatter it

[snow kindle]

parsing on ulgrax is 99% of your party afking

[novel star]

yea

[cobalt sphinx]

i got an orange and i was bottom dps to the adds

[coral ibex]

i also have an orange and literally run single target

[novel star]

same shit on horror

[coral ibex]

just do the fight good

[novel star]

if the adds die fast enough and ur group isnt shit

u just vibe st

[coral ibex]

kill fast

good log

it’s that easy

[vast nymph]

guilds at around 7.5 mins on ulgrax currently

[coral ibex]

that’s very slow

my guild kills around 5:30

[slate crown]

Almost like the actual end result parse number is largely influenced by factors outside of your personal control over what buttons you press in the encounter

[coral ibex]

if not faster

[vast nymph]

yeah apparently Im "underperforming" in my guild becuase im parsing around 40 on the first 2 bosses while we are taking 7+ minutes on each boss, then on princess and rash im parsing 80+ becuase those are 5 minute fights

[snow kindle]

you can certainly do better than 40

same as rash and kyveza but 80 aint even bad so idk

[hasty spade]

Trailspinner Pendant vs Keychain neck from SV? Says that Keychain is BIS from M+ but isnt crit better than haste generally?

[vast nymph]

other rogue is parsing below 30 on first 2

[cobalt sphinx]

you are probably wasting a lot of effort hitting adds when your build sucks for it

[snow kindle]

stats are different on anyone

[cobalt sphinx]

just sit boss

well i guess you guys could be wiping to low add damage on bbh

[vast nymph]

im also in split group on bbh

[coral ibex]

what does that mean

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah me split and hit the boss and you guys go hit the adds

[slate crown]

!bis - Who said Keychain is bis? If the sim said it's "bis" for you then go forth and use that

If you mean some bis list, see below

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character

[cobalt sphinx]

idk some people have a strat where they send some dps to hit the far add

[vast nymph]

i have to go kill the harbringer thats across the platforms

[cobalt sphinx]

i don't like t

[snow kindle]

what

[coral ibex]

so your guild griefs you with assignments and then says you underperform

classic

[snow kindle]

split group for what boss

[limber lion]

no it's retail

[snow kindle]

😭

[limber lion]

:-)

[vast nymph]

bloodbound

[snow kindle]

either group is fine

just hit boss

or if you really want rupture mut the melee add if u want to parse

[vast nymph]

our guild has 2 dps and 1 healer split to the harbringer

[coral ibex]

maybe he’s being yelled at for hitting the boss instead of bee lining to the far add

[snow kindle]

OH THAT

group

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-him-officer-rat-jumping-rat-pointing-gif-23323347

[coral ibex]

either way i think whoever is evaluating you is both wrong and misinformed

[snow kindle]

is that a ranged mech lol

to go hit the far add

[coral ibex]

yes

100%

insane to assign to a melee

[snow kindle]

unless youre new to the guild and they are testing you yeah thats cooked

[vast nymph]

im gonna tell them im not going to do it if they want me to parse well

[coral ibex]

it’s one thing to grief your assignment and then not care about logs

it’s another to give you shitty assignments and then blame you when you do them and lose damage

[frail venture]

Hey guys, I play on a WOTLK server and I wanted to run a bit away from the BiS builds, etc..do something different and fun.
How viable would it be to stack Haste and critical all the way to the maximum possible?

[coral ibex]

this is about retail wow

not pservers

sorry gl elsewhere

[frail venture]

ahhh, really sorry

[lean plover]

i do far harbinger alone as sub, 18 parse, no one gives a shit bc how am i supposed to parse

[frail venture]

my bad

[vast nymph]

yeah i was just blown away that I was one of the "few" underperforming in my guild while on our raid nights for all encounters im 2nd in Damage, and 2nd for uptime. just because i parsed bad on the first 2 encounters

uptime as in time alive on encounters

[coral ibex]

truly a bad guild moment

or a bad RL

whoever is doing this to you

[glad ferry]

Yo I just got a myuthic ovinax trinket in vault. I see it sims rly fkn high on bloodmallet but is only B tier on WoWhead. I simmed it and it's better than what I currently have for both M+ and Raid but Ik it's a wierd trinket. Do I need to minmax it or should I not trust the sims for this one?

[limber lion]

Lol

[fresh kelp]

7 minutes is a diabolical kill time for bbh, our pug yesterday was like a 40 for raid damage and we took like 4.5 mins

[limber lion]

Always trust the sim

[glad ferry]

I mean, depends on how the sim uses the trinket for that

[limber lion]

If you want to play that annoying trinket, go for it

[glad ferry]

I rly don't lol

[balmy condor]

Gotta play around it a bit but it’s not too bad, worst case drop like 0.7% off it

[dapper cradle]

7 min bloodbound kill

[balmy condor]

In bad fights with a lot of movement it’ll be a bit worse but it’s like 1.2% better for most

[vast nymph]

we have 5 people in our guild doing less overall damage than our warr tank lol

[balmy condor]

So it should still be better even if the stacks are dog

[glad ferry]

Hmm aight ty

I'll give it a shot

[balmy condor]

Np

[fresh kelp]

[dapper cradle]

i was assigned far ad for our first kill

i told them that I just wasn't going to do it

they assigned someone else

it really should be a ranged assigned

[cobalt sphinx]

melee doesn't seem bad as long as they are a good spec for it

[keen spruce]

Yeah sending a melee to do that is a little silly, especially an Assas rogue

[dapper cradle]

sin is just a bad spec for it

[vast nymph]

talked to my guild leader more and they said "i know you are one of the top performer's in our group, but we need to some improvement on your parses for first 2 bosses"

time to find a new guild lol

[limber lion]

even talking about parsing on farm bosses

is wild

[cobalt sphinx]

at the same time, 30-40 parses are usually for the undergeared and/or dead

[wispy epoch]

Rogue on blood bound horror is insane

Usually 1.5mil by end of boss

While next dps is like 1.3

[gritty laurel]

not when you're being forced to run to the far add

[ripe saddle]

Sudden demise vs Twist the knife for 10-11 weekly keyS?

[wispy epoch]

Just don’t lol

[gritty laurel]

when you're spattering the melee add and it still hits the boss, fo sho

[limber lion]

ttk

[wispy epoch]

I don’t really get on melee add. I rupture it, but I’m spattering and fan of knives everything with my back to them and meleeing boss

[ripe saddle]

Thank you. I also been using Iron wire over Sanguine blades. I just switched it (idc if people take 15% more dmg in first 5 seconds lmao)

[cobalt sphinx]

[wispy epoch]

I’d rather give up master assassin over sanguine blades

[ripe saddle]

@limber lion What is your thought on Dead-Eye ( finally got a 639 trinket outside of Sikran).

[gloomy heart]

do yall play CT on ulgrax?

[spice spire]

No

[wispy epoch]

If my mythic raid sucks

Yes

If not, no

[limber lion]

It's really good

[wispy epoch]

Hmmmm

[limber lion]

That's fine

[ripe saddle]

why is wowhead guide outdated for M+ build it tells you to not to take sanguine blade for aoe M+

[wispy epoch]

It’s not outdated

There’s just different builds

[spice spire]

There’s 600 builds

[ripe saddle]

This is what i been using.

2nd is my changes

[gritty laurel]

as long as you take the big boy nodes you can basically run anything and be within 6%

[ripe saddle]

Sanuiinge blades + Twist the knife, dropped 2nd vanish for more crit to test spyglass

[digital spindle]

do ppl prefer poitn of Lethality over 2nd vanish

[gloomy heart]

prayging i get loot from raid

[gritty laurel]

if you're doing M+ i would take the second vanish for utility

[ripe saddle]

I like 2nd vanish cause more tanks at low keys weekly are pepga who wont let u get stleaht sometimes lol

[novel star]

i dont

[limber lion]

No

[novel star]

you can play either though

doesnt really matter

but double vanish is nice qol

the panic iron wire button goes hard

[smoky dagger]

Gents, total noob here. I can't seem to see that we use slice and dice in M+?

[novel star]

/ panic carnage button

[novel star]

you dont use slice and dice in any content

its auto applied by cut to the chase

[limber lion]

You don't press Slice

[spice spire]

CttC changed in 11.0.5

Automatically pops with envenom

[digital spindle]

just envenom and win

[cursive marsh]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[mint urchin]

Its not outdated, its just focused on a wider audience. Its actually a better build for lower keys IMO

[wispy epoch]

Here’s my philosophy

[limber lion]

Eh

[ripe saddle]

So dead-eye spyglass I can't seem to proc this.... how do i do it? i hit dummies for like 1 min

[wispy epoch]

I’m shit at wow

[limber lion]

It just happens passively sometimes

[ripe saddle]

I even got a weakaura to track.. never proocced

[wispy epoch]

I’m going to pick the easiest talents to perform the best at

It changes the name and it procs on the target not you

It’s an enemy debuff

[mint urchin]

Its called like Dead Ahead or something

[wispy epoch]

Saboteur and without a trace are good, and compete well with sanguine and other bleed choice builds. But if I panic and vanish for survival or to help iron wire some shit

It impacts my dps overall massively

So I’d rather not have the urge there

[limber lion]

Saboteur?

[wispy epoch]

The 12 seconds of stealth abilities

[limber lion]

Subterfuge

lol

[wispy epoch]

And master assassin build

Yeah that

[ripe saddle]

spyglass needs an increase proc cause i cant even get 1 how will i get 5 stack lol

[wispy epoch]

It procs 5 stacks like asap

Poisons, autos, and bleeds

All proc it

[limber lion]

You just get the mark up

And then it goes to 5 stacks right away basically

[mint urchin]

Spyglass works fine

[wispy epoch]

It doesn’t

[limber lion]

Completely fine

[wispy epoch]

It procs on the 2mil hp adds for me 😭

[ripe saddle]

I auto get the stack without having to target the add, so thats a +

[wispy epoch]

And they die immediately 😭

It procced on the fucking Xala orbs once!!!

Is fans of kniving the orbs for full combo points a dps loss on single target boss fights? No, right?

[silk sundial]

I use them to cast a CT on st boss fights

[wispy epoch]

Wait

Explain

[limber lion]

CT increases damage by target count

[wispy epoch]

Oh shit

I’m dumb

[limber lion]

So if you CT 5 targets, your main target takes 100% increased damage from it

[wispy epoch]

Omfg

I forgot

[limber lion]

Yeah it's fine

[wispy epoch]

I never read ability labels

I still don’t know what mutilate does

[silk sundial]

AFAIK, the orbs count as enemies. You can use them to build combo points so I don't see why they wouldn't effect ct

[limber lion]

It does

[hollow river]

[limber lion]

Or rather they do

[mint urchin]

Yeah they are great for buffing CT

[wispy epoch]

Brewmaster push week apparently is with the Xalatash 1hp affix

[mint urchin]

and getting free CP

[wispy epoch]

I wouldn’t say CP bro

[mint urchin]

combo points?

[silk sundial]

Just gotta time it so your party doesn't blow them up immediately

[limber lion]

Hmm

[wispy epoch]

Don’t abbreviate combo points

[limber lion]

What

[mint urchin]

why not? lol

[median igloo]

is the increased dmg for CT static when you lose targets?

[hollow river]

[wispy epoch]

It’s like cyber punk

[limber lion]

CP is the normal term used by literally everyone in the world

[mint urchin]

...

[limber lion]

Maybe in your small world

But not here

[silk sundial]

@median igloo yes

[median igloo]

interesting

[limber lion]

It snapshots the target count

[mint urchin]

You think in the Assa rogue discord they are going to think of Cyber Punk over Combo Points? lmao

[limber lion]

So the 100% increased damage stays the entire duration

[silk sundial]

Adds can die and your main target will keep the bonus

[wispy epoch]

No dude

[median igloo]

thanks

[wispy epoch]

Noooo

You don’t get it!!!

[warm vortex]

Imma just leave it at

1 mythiuc raid slot

[cobalt sphinx]

Everyone gets it

[warm vortex]

and 3 mythic m+ slots

[cobalt sphinx]

They just don’t care

[warm vortex]

i cba to fill last heroic slot

[limber lion]

Yeah let's just stop abbreviating everything

CT?

Oh you mean computerized tomography?

[cobalt sphinx]

Don’t pretend you don’t know what cp is

[warm vortex]

He does have an anime pfp
so it makes sense tbh

[cobalt sphinx]

But clearly we mean combo points here so it isn’t worth worrying about

[warm vortex]

Yuh

[limber lion]

Anime patellofemoral pain?

What is that :O

[warm vortex]

You haven't heard of patellofermoral pains?

You're pulling my leg

[limber lion]

Not in the anime way

[balmy condor]

I love my cnc milling machine

[warm vortex]

AFAIK it's been ages since i used a CNC milling machine. P fun Tbh

[balmy condor]

nothing beats it like I do when I think of a cnc I mean when my cnc I mean nothing beats the precision of me beating it I mean the precision of a cnc milling machine

[spice spire]

Sup babe

[balmy condor]

not you

[gloomy heart]

NEED to kill RASH

[wispy epoch]

Bro wtf is even your pfp

[warm vortex]

A character :D

[balmy condor]

may I suggest a cream, or perhaps an ointment

[gloomy heart]

yes

[wispy epoch]

@balmy condor send this cretin to Brazil

[gloomy heart]

im using cope as a ointment rn

[limber lion]

Hmm

[balmy condor]

I'm doing what to who

[warm vortex]

Was it prescribed by your doctor?

[balmy condor]

bro's out here straight ointin it

[gloomy heart]

ong

[wanton mulch]

For those of you that use WA packs instead of action bars, which is your favorite?

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-if-you-love-brazil-brasil-gif-6938057558292577085

[balmy condor]

mine 🙂

[limber lion]

My own, which is a modified Afenar

Whispyr has a good one

[spice spire]

I second whispyr’s answer

[limber lion]

Use that

[balmy condor]

no my own

[warm vortex]

Tbh Whispyr does have a good one

[spice spire]

I like his

[balmy condor]

me and cev

need to touch tips

[spice spire]

Cev has my plater game

On lockdown tho

[balmy condor]

and super fuse into afenar prime

[rancid anchor]

I have a question regarding builders. What is the best builder in a M+ scenario, when having dots and still IC up after stealth? Is it garote having in mind that i can extent my improved garote further into the pull? Or is it Fan of knives? (I will still use Fan when i clear the witness up) Does anybody know the theory behind this?

[spice spire]

Hot

[wispy epoch]

Whispyr’s plater is good except for the cast bar

Like wtf is this grey cast bar!!!

[wanton mulch]

I like better blizzard plates/frames isntead of plater

[limber lion]

The ultimate Afenar endgame

[wanton mulch]

Whoever is writing those two addons is an extremely good programmer

[balmy condor]

mutilate for 1 target without clear the witnesses *currently active, or for applying caustic

fan of knives for legit everything else

[wispy epoch]

I miss important kicks bc I see a grey or shiny grey cast bar and thick it’s not kickable

Think

[limber lion]

Too bad you cannot change those

And they are permanently locked

The color and everything

[wispy epoch]

Yeah

It sucks

[limber lion]

Unlucky

[warm vortex]

If i hear "Kick" I kick
And if someone else kicks at the same time im sad

[keen spruce]

I don't like the voice reminder thing

[wispy epoch]

I wish someone told me to kick

[keen spruce]

too distracting

[wispy epoch]

Wait

[keen spruce]

the addon

[wispy epoch]

There’s a voice reminder

[balmy condor]

kick

[keen spruce]

it's like gladiatorlosa

[warm vortex]

DBM?

[rancid anchor]

So it is still worth to fan considering pandemic on garote?

[keen spruce]

but for m+

"watch your feet"

[limber lion]

Mine tells me to kick if I have a kick available and it's a cast that needs kicking

[balmy condor]

I mean you said you had dots out right?

[keen spruce]

"piercing howl"

[balmy condor]

why are we dotting with dots out

[wispy epoch]

Hey… can I get that code?

[limber lion]

I have like 700 addons idk what combo it is

[keen spruce]

I feel like I play better if I keep track of that stuff myself and just call it for my group

[wispy epoch]

Wtf

[limber lion]

Probably Plater + Causese's voice pack

[keen spruce]

stay locked in

[limber lion]

• weakauras

• littlewigs

[wispy epoch]

I literally only run 3 addons

Weakauras, details, big wigs

[keen spruce]

Causese's voice pack probably the one i'm thinkin of

[rancid anchor]

Yeah, i just thought that improved garote would be dmg increase. Also giving stable 3 combo points.

[wispy epoch]

And littlewigs

[keen spruce]

little wigs doesn't do voice stuff by defauilt iirc

[limber lion]

Don't think so yeah

[warm vortex]

What about medium wigs

[balmy condor]

yeah but you already have improved garrotes on the targets

[limber lion]

Outside the "RUN LITTLE GIRL" stuff or whatever

[warm vortex]

ven vill you vear vigs

[limber lion]

Or maybe that's more dbm

[warm vortex]

have you worn wigs

[keen spruce]

I can only offer you slightly below average but still adequate wigs

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah i think dbm has the TTS

[warm vortex]

Do you vear vigs

[keen spruce]

I think I play a lot better when I just call most stuff for my group

[wispy epoch]

I lost that one weak aura that had the Asian voice for all my keystone stuff and basically auto played the game for me

Like told me when to feint

[keen spruce]

[wispy epoch]

When I was targeted

[balmy condor]

are you thinking of duolingo

[keen spruce]

There's a good weak aura

[limber lion]

The Asian voice?

[keen spruce]

that puts a big exclaimation mark next to the nameplate of a mob that's casting on you

and squeaks

[rancid anchor]

Yeah, but the duration extends. I just see my sim sees it as the optimal rotation. I must have set it up wrong... Thanks a lot for clearing up.

[wispy epoch]

Yeah the default tts speaker for the weak aura sounded like an Asian female

[limber lion]

How does an Asian female sound like

Compared to a white female

Careful now

[warm vortex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1107076212486066187/1263259719636877474/test23456.gif?ex=6746f30b&is=6745a18b&hm=ed1e54def279ebbed383367b46ea00051178471b09b3ba07c0b148758cab7c2e&

[rich elbow]

GV HELP
I should probably take Myth track legs over myth dead eyes and hero transmitter right?
Legs sim the best when everything upgraded..

Any advice / tips?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5dWiWAiub91Zg7K2xkznUL

[balmy condor]

are the dots in pandemic?

[swift dagger]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[wispy epoch]

Get a load of this guy, he’s simming in mythic+ talents

[keen spruce]

you can get legs from the first boss of mythic

so it depends on the content you're doing

[rich elbow]

I mainly do m+

but have been clearing first 3 bosses mythic

first boss no issue

[limber lion]

Just take the pants and get a Skardyn's from mythic+

[mint urchin]

I use this and I panic every time in Siege when I see 5 gunners targeting me

[wispy epoch]

Honestly heroic skar, I still shit on other rogues with mythic skar

[keen spruce]

i haven't pulled that pack in weeks lmao

[mint urchin]

There is the one before second boss as well

With the worst spotter in the world that runs into the water

[rich elbow]

I have yet to see skardyns drop in any grim run LOL

[warm vortex]

sim again

[keen spruce]

the hallway one? i feel like all of those gunners just get exploded instnatly

[warm vortex]

But harder

[limber lion]

How many have you done?

If it's anything less than 50

[warm vortex]

Took me 31 runs

[mint urchin]

They do, I still panic though from the WA

[warm vortex]

How many you on

[limber lion]

Then you're still chilling

[rich elbow]

Surely its less then 50

i fucken hope

[limber lion]

There you go then

Back to work then

[rancid anchor]

Argh i think i understand now. Pandemic is only after a certain precentage of the dot, right?

[cobalt sphinx]

looks like you aren't simming a set amount of gilded, the highest profile has 3 items fully upgraded and the spyglass only upgrades 2 items

[limber lion]

Less chatting, more Grim Batol's

[limber lion]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[wispy epoch]

Just be like me and play your enhancement shaman

[keen spruce]

god if I ever get GB 15 done

i'm never setting foot in there again

[wispy epoch]

4% nerf and still pumping

[rancid anchor]

Thanks a lot. Great help!

[limber lion]

Np

[mint urchin]

4% nerf to a class that in the right situation was doing 30-50% more then other classes is not a big nerf lol

[warm vortex]

Prolly not as bad as SV 15

[keen spruce]

well you'd be surprised

[wispy epoch]

The right situation?

[mint urchin]

I mean its significant, but not like class breaking

[wispy epoch]

You mean most situations…

[keen spruce]

it only needs to get nerfed enough to no longer incentivize priest to PI

if rsham comes back in

enh loses a lotta value too

[mint urchin]

I dont think that will happen, what other PI target is there?

[keen spruce]

well not that there's a better pi

[wispy epoch]

BM Hunter

[mint urchin]

At least in the current group

[keen spruce]

but that there's a better combination

without priest

[wispy epoch]

BM Hunter literally

[rich elbow]

I did sim with max upgrade materials, does this kinda screw with the results a bit? Just figured it would give me my max capacity i could reach

[keen spruce]

and if rsham comes back then the tank spot frees up a bit

[mint urchin]

I thought the main reason for priest was healing output wasnt it and fort no?

[keen spruce]

also if the ppal nerfs are big enough

[warm vortex]

Tbh i barely consider pushing any more

[keen spruce]

you might get incentivized to run a different tank

[warm vortex]

i got 3K might just do like

a few 12s a week to try out silly builds

[keen spruce]

which would mean you might need resto sham kicks

[runic hinge]

And then different dps that need more kicks

[keen spruce]

which would boot the priest

and reduce the enh value more as well

[mint urchin]

Yeah if you drop prot

[keen spruce]

it's all related

[mint urchin]

which carries a groups kicks

[keen spruce]

so the enh nerfs aren't in a vaccum

a lot of their power is a spymaster aug + PI with a ppal carrying stops

so if any of those pieces break

[mint urchin]

My only comment was its not by any means a big nerf when the class was already so far ahead

[rancid anchor]

Well by that idea, i can in theory extent my garote by 5.4 sec, casting it twice. This means i can get a longer improved garote uptime during my IC.

[mint urchin]

But if we are talking .1% range, then yea

[keen spruce]

then the nerf becomes a lot bigger than the direct ones on sham itself

[limber lion]

Yes but that's not worth it.

[cobalt sphinx]

pants still look best but some sets of gear use 135 gilded and some use 120 gilded, not really a big difference

[limber lion]

Improved Garrote doesn't do enough damage to justify a second cast.

[keen spruce]

I skipped pants this week for chest instead because you cant get a chest from the first 4 bosses of mythic

[rancid anchor]

Argh, okay. Thanks.

[limber lion]

You just want to use FoK and Mutilate for generating CP

Np

[keen spruce]

even though the stats are worse

[spice spire]

Np

[wispy epoch]

my .io isn't 3k, but when i sell carries, it's usually 2 carries, my tank, healer and me in the 10s

[limber lion]

Listen here Riley

[wispy epoch]

so it feels like a 12-13 keystone

[rich elbow]

May see if i get pants from mythic this week and then decide ty

[slow marsh]

shrouded yes though right

[keen spruce]

might as well be at that point lol

at least you get to do damage cuz mobs live long enough

[limber lion]

No

[keen spruce]

when I do weekly 10s for vault everything just explodes instantly and I'm basically a silence bot

[limber lion]

Also Shrouded is applied to all garrote casts

Doesn't matter if it's stealthed or not