If that’s the case rogue should never take damage from it
#assassination
west crown
lavish geyser
This is like lowkey give up and start another game angle. I have 2 left before I can go the 4 ez 13s. but I CANT, literally CANT get through. I have played with 3,1k mates and we die cause of healer.
iron carbon
If that’s the case rogue should never take damage from it
Need to be test, but I know I could dodge snare ability that deal damages by using vanish
Like dragon AoE in HOI
lavish geyser
when is the season over?
iron carbon
February I guess
iron carbon
Legit
Tbh, I don't what you could do more Bondo. Feint the slam, feint + evasion / cos the root, use Crimson between these, use potion If not 100% hp
lavish geyser
Tbh, I don't what you could do more Bondo. Feint the slam, feint + evasion / cos...
haha yeah by now I know very well what to do, it just isnt fun being stuck at doable keys. pugging at 12s might just be hard cause healer go from ez 11s to harder 12s
iron carbon
Play with friend and use big defensive when healer is out of cd / no group cd
Play with better healer
humble verge
only got the worst of the worst left for 14
lavish geyser
my first barrier is just getitng invited
humble verge
well maybe NW aint that bad
lavish geyser
Nw is nice 🙂
humble verge
my first barrier is just getitng invited
yeah i still have this issue tbh
lavish geyser
big dam dungeon
humble verge
even at 3,15k
iron carbon
Yeah, getting invite is something
I got every 12 few weeks qgo so I'm not I want to spend more time in pug
lavish geyser
yeah but like its a fricking 12, like I KNOW for a FACT i can run these easily. But I dont have friends who plays wow sadly.
iron carbon
No guildies?
lavish geyser
nope
I dont have parses to join a real guild. I have mythic kills more then just first 2 but I dont have crazy parses.
wanton mulch
So if you garrote, then deathmark, then garrote, do they have 2 garrotes?
iron carbon
No, if you garrote then DM, they got 2 garrote during DM duration
If you DM then garrote, they got 2 garrote during DM duration
lavish geyser
sarted out late as well, so I have just been trying to catch up. but this isjust next lvl depression. might get it if I get lucky with a healer ig. who knows🤷♂️
iron carbon
Rupture and garrote on target are doubled when target is afflicted by DM
iron carbon
sarted out late as well, so I have just been trying to catch up. but this isjust...
Be strong, you'll make it
What's ur ilvl btw?
lavish geyser
629
iron carbon
Shouldn't be a problem btw
iron carbon
Just take healer that already did the key
lavish geyser
I cant run 12 cot, I just join em
iron carbon
Why you can't? You don't want to push your key?
lavish geyser
Ill need to hit a 1/8 to get it, and that is by doing a useless 12 NW.
iron carbon
As you want
lavish geyser
might just be at the point where those who are at like 2800 ish is just stuck there, cause we are a decent chunk into the szn.
If I can do the 4 ez 13s that would be sweet
iron carbon
I go to bed btw, barely can't stand awake
iron carbon
Gl for your cot
lavish geyser
thanks 🙂
iron carbon
And maybe see you ingame on an alt
lavish geyser
maybe, once I get 12 on cot I take off, trust. I just need to get past this dumb barrier
oak tangle
While 629 shouldnt matter it does because inevitably someone 635 is signing up and your fighting for a spot with them
daring hamlet
howcome on court you deathmark at ~30 as opposed to waiting until the dmg amp (i understand the dmg amp doesn't last long enough for the duration of dm but casting it at ~30 you just lose dm globals when unub jumps away as opposed to being able to keep 100% uptime if you use dm on dmg amp and then continue after dmg amp is done)
balmy condor
cause that one chinese guy is doing a billion sales and flooding lorrgs with weird ass logs
oak tangle
I got pi for once on heroic court. I looked down at the dps when they jumped away and was chilling at 4m
Reminded me of the flow state in like a racing game when shit is flying by so fast and you’re somehow just hitting the right shit
daring hamlet
cause that one chinese guy is doing a billion sales and flooding lorrgs with wei...
okay so that cd pattern doesn't have much actual merit and ebtter to follow a diff lorg pattern?
balmy condor
correct
daring hamlet
i didn't know if there was a future proofing going on that i hadn't gotten to yet
thx
there's a buncha bait lorg patterns you gotta avoid sheesh
humble verge
i wonder if this will be my peak
like
i went into m+ not expecting to push
was just doing 10s with some buddies but then i just wanted to try it out
mystic hollow
Those are the best seasons tbh. Get the rating without the stress bc you don't have a goal
mystic hollow
That's a tough goal to pug haha
daring hamlet
correct
so ignoring the dudes who cd intermission, the other lorg pattern that looks good is the vanish 0:16/kb+dm dmg amp .. but why not vanish later for improved garrotes overlapping the dmg amp.. as it looks on lorg seems like you vanish for improved garrotes on both mobs and then would refresh a normal garrote on each right before cd's
balmy condor
so ignoring the dudes who cd intermission, the other lorg pattern that looks goo...
I mean some people vanish on amp like these guys
but it really shouldn't matter
you either vanish to cleave the imp gar
which is technically 100% more
or you vanish the amp
which is also 100% more
daring hamlet
oh yeah i hadn't looked far enough down thats fair, i just saw a buncha the initial guys vanishing amp also cd'ing intermission and immediately kinda just ignored it
humble verge
honestly thinking if i should craft a ring or not
daring hamlet
oh I see, yeah ig it's slightly more optimal to get the cleaveed improved garrote since dmg amp wont last the full 16s
so same dmg but cleaving it early you get like ~4 more seconds or wtvr
er 18s or wtrv the fuck the duration is
ionic fox
Is there something extra to the shadowmeld macro? when I cast i get all stealth buffs but even sitting in the city i exit stealth after casting
ionic fox
yeah the macro is meld into stealth
but
it still takes me out after stealth goes off and gives buff
ionic fox
This would make sense in combat but i am just sitting in dorn
people are using it for carnage not for cheese
oak tangle
I mean you can try, but if you’re banking on it you’re gonna have a bad time half if not more of the time
covert lichen
Can anyone give me some pointers on what to press when vanishing?
In the case of not playing improv garrote, is it just for amubsh?
In the case of AoE in m+, is it to reapply dots or just get the crit?
In the case of actually playing improv garrote, is it to ambush > garrote?
humble verge
i usually vanish to either redot
or vanish into shiv
to crit my envenom on big packs
tho i do atleast one rup+gar combo
ionic fox
you vanish to give crit to your kingsbane while spatter is up
you can redot but vanish with KB
humble verge
^
covert lichen
Feels like vanish is just a bait in general. It's either for crit or to re-apply deathstalker
What about in a fight like Ovinax. How do you generally use vanish since you're playing withouth master assa and improv garrote. Is it just for the ambush?
covert lichen
I have pre-assigned Freedom on me
royal lantern
not for 1x ambush which doesnt really do anything
royal lantern
I have pre-assigned Freedom on me
well, get that assinged to somebody that actually needs it then 😄
covert lichen
There isn't really anyone that wants the freedom in my team
Only the evokers, the rest can help themselves
royal lantern
ye, the nothing really
if you dont have MA or Improved Garrote skilled
Vanish is just a utility button
oak pollen
Guys, how does this build works on m+? Since it doesnt have serrated bone spikes isnt it bad to spread rupture?
covert lichen
Dashing Scoundrel is a bait in M+
limber lion
I would personally always just run SBS in Mythic+
oak pollen
and whats the point of playing that build instead of this one?
acoustic roost
funsies
limber lion
One has Iron Wire, one doesn't
One does slightly bit more ST than the other
Like it's all the same
You won't notice a difference
The only difference you'll notice is the removal of SBS
royal lantern
I would personally always just run SBS in Mythic+
peak "feels good" talent in aoe
covert lichen
SBS just helps you get your Ruptures faster for Agi buff
royal lantern
SBS just helps you get your Ruptures faster for Agi buff
its a single GCD
your dots dont even tick that fast
oak pollen
gotcha
covert lichen
But you get your spatter up faster
limber lion
peak "feels good" talent in aoe
Agreed, even if it was like 2% worse I would still play it. Thankfully it's not.
covert lichen
your dots dont even tick that fast
Not saying it's better or anything, it just feels smoother to play SBS
Faster ramp-up with spatter
limber lion
Those 0.x% swings don't really matter to 99% of the player base. Or shouldn't, but they make a bigger deal out of them than they should.
eternal sandal
question, is it worth using Fok with clear the witness on patchwork fights?
limber lion
Yes
royal lantern
Not saying it's better or anything, it just feels smoother to play SBS
oh yeha sure
but like, its just a single GCD, its not really a big deal at all is what im trying to say
SBS is faaaaar away from being a "must pick"
but it makes aoe feel better
hence why i would Personaly play it unless its actually a bigger loss
oak pollen
tyvm ❤️
balmy condor
what
oak tangle
sussge
exotic pulsar
must be
short night
how is that even remotely worth farming? lets say you get loot 1/3 keys, you're running GB 300 times?
exotic pulsar
its not 1%
balmy condor
where does it say 1%?
exotic pulsar
how shit is fatebound for sin on silken court i keep losing deathmark because im stupid
deathstalkers mark*
exotic pulsar
sad
short night
where does it say 1%?
dusk surge
So fatebound would be better on Sikran and Princess? Or just pref still
short night
this is whats linked in the wow guide
balmy condor
that's the timewalking version
spice surge
All items in an m+ dungeon have the same drop rate
So If you clear gb as outlaw you have a 1/10 chance to get skardyn if you get loot
spice surge
Which you do ~40% of the time
humble verge
some take 5
short night
oh ok
humble verge
So If you clear gb as outlaw you have a 1/10 chance to get skardyn if you get lo...
man fuck im stupid
why didnt i loot outlaw spec
runic hinge
quake takes whispyrs on his first run
humble verge
well ive only gotten 1 dagger throughout 60 grim runs anyways
oak tangle
29 grims to only get a myth track from vault
silk parcel
outside of burst windows should i play around Sanguine Blades(while above 50percent energy garrot,blades and rapture do 30percent more at the cost of 2 energy per dot?
balmy condor
oh ok
m+ drops 2 times every run, there's 5 people, so you have a 1/5 and a 1/4 chance, to get loot, so the probability that either event occurs is 0.2 + 0.25 but you can't get both items so you end up having a 35% chance to get any item from an m+ run. You then randomly roll an item. Skardyns is one of 11 items in the pool, so you have a 1/11 or 9.09% chance to get a skardyns once you get a piece of loot. That means that for any given grim batol you run, you have a 3.18% chance for a skardyns to drop, or an expected drop every 31.4 runs
balmy condor
outside of burst windows should i play around Sanguine Blades(while above 50perc...
in single target you try to be under 50% to avoid proccing it, in aoe you're flooded in energy anyway so nothing to do there
humble verge
r/theydidthemath
oak tangle
m+ drops 2 times every run, there's 5 people, so you have a 1/5 and a 1/4 chance...
but what is the percent when they also can get it and trade
balmy condor
who is they
short night
m+ drops 2 times every run, there's 5 people, so you have a 1/5 and a 1/4 chance...
jesus chrsit thats low
thanks for the math
pin that LOL
balmy condor
jesus chrsit thats low
welcome to m+
oak tangle
who is they
alleged friends
balmy condor
yes but what classes are they
oak tangle
that can drop
dh tank, druid / shaman healer, and for the sake of simplicity 2 rogue dps
i mean it'll be roughly a static chance per person right
so just 3.18 x people that can get
short night
welcome to m+
im not even pushing high keys i just wanna play the game., which im unable to do, im in the weird limbo where normal raid gives me no gear upgrades but no one will accept me to m+
shitty fucking lobby simulator game
cant even play unless you have a group of friends
humble verge
im not even pushing high keys i just wanna play the game., which im unable to do...
solo-life
short night
literally isnt fun, i dont evne get to play
short night
spend 45 minutes applying just to eventually get into some shitty key where a mexican/brazilian probably griefes/leaves anyway
oak tangle
why are you queuing for 45 mins?
humble verge
why are you queuing for 45 mins?
he aint getting invited to keys
short night
why are you queuing for 45 mins?
no one accept me
oak tangle
what ilvl and what keys are you queing for
short night
608, main io is like 2500, and 7s and 8s
and i usually top dps when i can eactually get into one
oak tangle
i mean 608 is very low for this point in the season, you are probably competing with 620's
short night
i mean 608 is very low for this point in the season, you are probably competing ...
well i just made this alt a week ago
oak tangle
alot of people dont run the rio addon to see your io, and some that do run the addon dont have the alt io visible either
short night
i currently have mercurial egg and mad queens mandate, should i just replace egg with grace?
short night
i would buy a heroic boost
i can easily just like scam and host my own heroic raid and haev everyone carry me
i just havent yet on this char
short night
if you got the gold
i do but i would never buy a boost and i never hae
humble verge
i can easily just like scam and host my own heroic raid and haev everyone carry ...
all the way up to court, sure
oak tangle
i'd just try do 5-6, it will give you crests and valorstones to upgrade your shit, and then also give you the io, might make it easier, you're kinda trying to skip a step
short night
i'd just try do 5-6, it will give you crests and valorstones to upgrade your shi...
yeah but i HATE thsi step
humble verge
why
if you dont have anyone to boost you through keys
youre kindof outta luck and gotta do 4-7
oak tangle
you need to do that content anyway, you need runed crests and valorstones anyway
mystic hollow
608, main io is like 2500, and 7s and 8s
Gotta run your own key. I've been slamming 8s on my rogue and I wasn't even 600ilvl yet. Just posted my own key
Takes like 10-15 min for a tank or healer sometimes, but I get my choice of DPS players and I can build the comp how I want it
low hare
Sac vs Spyglass, big difference at the same lvl?
beern running glass because it seems to be better for M+
is sac significantly better for ST? sims are pretty even
humble verge
Sac vs Spyglass, big difference at the same lvl?
beern running glass because it...
crystal
also works.
but i would just sim
i havent swapped off crystal in a minute
short night
i have mad queens and mercurial egg.. shoudl i even bother going for diff trinks?
i mean these are decent
humble verge
you want skardyns
oak tangle
or transmitter
oak tangle
it comes at the cost of having to use transmitter i know
humble verge
if whispyr can say anything about considering he has max myth track
oak tangle
but we're supposed to be used to it, the whole witherbark branch and all
low hare
but cant decide bettween the other 2, i see a lot of peoepl with sac, but the sims just arent telling me its that much better
oak tangle
i've had a hero spyglass for about the entire patch, i have not cared enough to search for another
low hare
haste makes me sad in my pants tho...
balmy condor
dh tank, druid / shaman healer, and for the sake of simplicity 2 rogue dps
okay so to make the math simpler I'm going to assume the rogues only want to drop skardyns so they're outlaw loot spec, which removes the dagger. In that case the demon hunter has to loot spec havoc, the druid has to loot spec feral, and then everyone has a 1/10 loot table.
Since there's only 2 items that drop, the player getting the skardyns has to be one of the 2 people, so there's a 2/5 chance to roll the dice for the 1/10 for skardyns, so that's 2/5*1/10 which is 2/50, which is 1/25, which is 4%
low hare
this man maths
short night
okay so to make the math simpler I'm going to assume the rogues only want to dro...
ohh should i go outlaw loot spec?
thats smart
oak tangle
okay so to make the math simpler I'm going to assume the rogues only want to dro...
how is that less than 1% more than rolling yourself
balmy condor
uhhh
oak tangle
damn percentages
humble verge
hahah funny you say that
balmy condor
the chance of one person getting it is 1/25
oak tangle
so 1 in 5 dungeons with a stacked group
daring hamlet
1/25 is pretty typical for trinket dungeon drops it seems
ruby had a 12 item pool so was even harder but very similar
balmy condor
the math is that one person opens a box, sees an item that is not skardyns, then a second person opens a box and sees skardyns, or both open the box and see skardyns
daring hamlet
ig realistically it's not just the trinkets obv but those end up being the items people care about
oak tangle
P(skardyns or 2 skardyns)
but luckily they arent correlated events
you will always have 2 bits of loot, on a 1/10 drop rate, so it's a 1/5 drop chance
per dungeon
daring hamlet
its not
its a 40% chance it drops for you and then a 10% drop that the item that drops for you is skarydyns you just multiply those chances
1 in 25
balmy condor
correct
oak tangle
we're talking about a stacked group of 5 funnelling to 1
balmy condor
but now the chance that a player doesn't get skardyns is 24/25
balmy condor
and 24/25^5 for 5 players
is 0.868
so there's a 86.8% chance to not get a skardyns
which means the group has a 13.2% chance for a skardyns
oak tangle
i think that doesn't work, cause you can take the 40% out of the equation if it's a funnel situation
balmy condor
the 40% is required cause it's 2 pieces of loot
that's why it's 1/25 to begin with
cause you have a 2/5 chance to be a person receiving loot
if you're a person receiving loot it's 1/10
oak tangle
that is with the assumption you are rolling solo, if you are in a group there will always be 2 bits of loot, not a 40% chance you might get loot solo
balmy condor
doesn't matter
if you're in a group it's 5 players with a 40% chance which is 200%, which is 2 pieces of loot
each person is still 2/5
that's why its 24/25 ^ 5
for the math it shouldn't matter if it's 40% per or 200% total
cause it totals to the same
daring hamlet
you're thinking about it like if you have a stacked funnel group that every person gets a piece of loot which isn't the case, whispyr is right
mystic hollow
This is your reminder that percentages exist in a vacuum. You cannot influence them with outside factors. Whispyrs math correct here
daring hamlet
prob true
mystic hollow
Either it drops or it doesnt
Facts
balmy condor
Either it drops or it doesnt
just gotta add a little asterisk and say error margin of 50%
signal moon
😄
coral ibex
2 ara karas, 2 sacbroods
oak tangle
i dont get the math tho, if you do 25 runs with 5 people, they should all on average have 1 trinket in those 25 runs, which is 5/25, which is 1/5
balmy condor
well the issue with that is that you're turning a dependant problem into an independant problem
you have to compute the union of independent events
not the sum of the individual probabilities
oak tangle
do we? the 2 drops are not dependant on each other
daring hamlet
oh i actually think you may be right lol
oak tangle
we're not doing chance of skardyn then skardyn, we are doing skardyn or skardyn
daring hamlet
yeah its just 2 10% chances basically, so a 90% chance of failure for each person 0.9*0.9 = 0.81 so yeah like 20% i think you've convinced me
static glacier
which means the group has a 13.2% chance for a skardyns
So what’s the % of you naturalling skardyns in your own chest?
signal moon
Thats the 4% no?
daring hamlet
ya
static glacier
Bayes might fuck with it, I’ve learned to always double check chances of probability
oak tangle
i think the mistake is that the 86.8% chance doesn't tkae into account the event that 2 drop
daring hamlet
yeah its two entirely independent d10 rolls
thats the simplest way i can think of it
and if either hit you win
balmy condor
do we? the 2 drops are not dependant on each other
okay, so 2 players can receive an item, which means once 2 players are chosen, the other 3 cannot get an item, so the events of players receiving the item in the first place is dependant. Like say you have 5 players ABCDE, A gets an item, B gets an item, CDE can't.
For any individual player, yes. You have a 2/5 to be selected, and a 1/10 to get skardyns, but that's not factoring in that you have 2 items total and the players are linked in the case of needing to trade the item. The interdependence of that rule is the problem here and why you can't simply add them up.
That's why the correct way to calculate it is to take the complement and calculate is backwards like I did earlier. By considering the chance that NONE out of the ABCDE gets a skardyns, you know the sum of any two complements is 1 and can then subtract chance of getting none to get the chance of getting any. The chance that you get none is the product of probabilities of each player not getting a skardyns, which is (24/25) ^ 5.
That then is 86.8%. Like earlier, we know that the sum of two complements is 1, so P(skardyns) = 1 - P(not skardyns), which then is 1 - 0.868, which then means P(skardyns) is 0.132
coral ibex
balmy condor
by simply adding the probabilities of each player you're unlinking them again
so you're overestimating the probability
daring hamlet
the players are chosen, I assume first, and then the loot rolls from the table
tehre will be 2 people every run rolling a 10% chance each
the (24/25)^5 i think is wrong here becuase 2 people are chosen first and then they roll independetly on their table
its not 5 independent trials, it's just 2 people getting an item every run and each time they do its a 1 in 10 chance for it to be a trinket
you're not rolling a d25 5 times
basically
median igloo
!up
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balmy condor
does the game pre-select the players though
daring hamlet
yeah that would be the piece idk
oak tangle
i dont think it matters, there will always be 2
daring hamlet
i assumed that happened first
but also yeah that may be true that it just doesn't matter
oak tangle
i think the dependance only works if it's not guranteed 2 bits
daring hamlet
well if the game doesn't choose the players first then its rolling a d25 5 times
balmy condor
maybe
balmy condor
aight well then it's 19% I guess
oak tangle
cause your rolling the 1/25 5 times, there is a chance that it hits none
but it has to loop back until it hits 2
balmy condor
yeah fair
gloomy heart
2 ara karas, 2 sacbroods
can my mage have one 😦
coral ibex
NO
low hare
!WA
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lucky
mystic hollow
ur alts get everything ur main nothing
My alt at the beginning of the expansion got 4pc before my main lol
solemn oracle
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rotund oak
My alt at the beginning of the expansion got 4pc before my main lol
mine has 4p 2nd week,wpn week 3,started doing 10s alot earlier than my main
just mage things
got invited everywhere coz i was pretty
slate crown
mine has 4p 2nd week,wpn week 3,started doing 10s alot earlier than my main
I decided to drop gathering on my mage and acuity farm enchanting / bs and relevel gathering so I could max out kp and tools, now I'm caught up 
but now I'm queuing into random stuff, enjoying frost
Just because market margins are so low right now may as well gather, want something low rent that I can just zone out doing while also making gold
hope just having a blue name makes me pretty enough for invites
rotund oak
hope just having a blue name makes me pretty enough for invites
100% reasonable and u will see them gains coming
my druid still flies for 100k+ everytime in azj kahet
this is long term as well by all means
market kinda dead tbh,its more like squeeze bit here and there and thats it
missives work,gems work,whetstones work,alloys work
dawn/dusk weaving works as well
slate crown
yeah everything I have is very tiny squeezes
there's still juice there but not much
Also gathering is at least a change of pace and I get to look around for a change
rotund oak
what gathering wins compared to simply crafting from AH is the expense of buying the materials
saving gold from there and just making ur own stuff makes ur economy healthy enough,long term
i still spend nothing,so my gold accumulates,alot slower though
slate crown
I just have to buy, it's not reasonable to gather the amount I typically go through
but gathering adds to the pile and reduces my overall costs so it helps
rotund oak
if ur gatherer isnt stacked with good tools and KP u cant generate thousands of ores and herbs its impossible,takes time and scheduling ur stuff
e.g ive had 1 week's session at start before thaumaturgy,soon as i was done with my warlock's thaumaturgy KP my materials practically became infinite
slate crown
That's one thing I never went into because it seemed absurdly complicated and I had enough on my plate
But like
I can prospect anywhere from 10k to 100k ore over a couple of days
which is a ton of throughput
slate crown
Should I spin up a thaumaturgy alt?
Problem is catchup KP is stupidly slow
except for ench/gathering
rotund oak
u can prolly cover main tree while lvling up but the mercury etc u will take like 3-4 weeks at least
no not rly
i think its kul tiran for thaumaturgy
sugardaddy alchemist
rotund oak
u need 625 skill for thaumaturgy iirc
for everything
and proc like stupid extra materials from resourcefulness
slate crown
I don't have a goblin alt leveled 
rotund oak
me neither 😂
well ive got a rogue
but did it for the achievement
so how it works is u break 20 for 11,what resourcefulness does is disturb that balance to a higher value
means u proc higher rank materials from rank 1
which u can even convert later on from ur gatherer
and sell
slate crown
rotund oak
e.g bismuths was a thing to convert while ago,now its minimal gains
or chittins even
but ive used them for my hunter's crafting KPs
gilded wolf
Is Fatebound much worse than death stalker? I find I enjoy Fate more but at what cost
slate crown
Fatebound is better than deathstalker in pure single target
can be, at least, sim yourself to see
but they're close
gloomy heart
guys if my main has the turned 90 runed into 15 gilded, do my alts get that too
novel star
but the dps itself is totally fine
novel star
guys if my main has the turned 90 runed into 15 gilded, do my alts get that too
no
per character achievement
once your alt has 619 in every slot you can do it
slate crown
Is Fatebound much worse than death stalker? I find I enjoy Fate more but at what...
If you find you enjoy fate more just play fate, really
gloomy heart
what the penis is this game!
novel star
what the penis is this game!
shouldn’t take too long
novel star
hero every slot is kinda free
gloomy heart
PEPEGA!
novel star
no, it’s not overall ilvl
gloomy heart
i know
novel star
you have to be done with hero crests
gloomy heart
i have every sloto
rotund oak
guys if my main has the turned 90 runed into 15 gilded, do my alts get that too
no
its a character specific thing
slate crown
me neither 😂
Maybe I just repurpose a random 70 I have and spend 500k on a race change to goblin instead, that's probably worth it instead of releveling
rotund oak
i have it on this toon aswell
wdym have it on this toon as well,ive had gilded converted on my mage and couldnt before on my rogue,had to hit 619+ on all my slots as well
that doesnt apply
rotund oak
Maybe I just repurpose a random 70 I have and spend 500k on a race change to gob...
idk man,ild rather que for TW and do it in like 3-4 hours
u dont even need to max it out,just 70 to step in isle and start doing ur stuff
gloomy heart
wdym have it on this toon as well,ive had gilded converted on my mage and couldn...
I have 619 on all my slots brotha
gloomy heart
spice spire
Maybe I just repurpose a random 70 I have and spend 500k on a race change to gob...
Leveling kinda quick
rotund oak
Leveling kinda quick
silly quick actually
slate crown
ok fine I'll put in the effort
rotund oak
imagine playing the game man
stupid blizz doesnt give u the character rdy with all the gear and the achievements and all
slate crown
coral stump
stupid blizz doesnt give u the character rdy with all the gear and the achieveme...
idk i don’t hate the gearing process i just hate getting to 80
but yeah game sucks tbh i should be able to do nothing and get everything for free wtf is “work”
rotund oak
but yeah game sucks tbh i should be able to do nothing and get everything for fr...
Got an army of alts but all for goldmaking,never played anything srs and only touched the lvl req to train and get to the city,nothing else.Lst 10 lvls came jsut from crafting/weekly prof quests etc
well i do have a mage which monster gear and my rogue but thats it
(not taking into consideration my pvp characters)
next compass
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
slow marsh
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
blissful pecan
what do you guys think of taking crimson tempest on court
ornate wagon
Are all rouges super clunky and energy starved in st or just assas pls? Ty
cobalt sphinx
sub is too
blazing pumice
what is sub
ornate wagon
Just watched some quick videos on sub in keys man they more energy than they know what to do with in st how comes we are so starved feels horrible?
cobalt sphinx
sub does go out of energy
golden loom
I mean sin is supposed to be a damage over time spec so kinda makes sense you dont have infinite energy to spam
golden loom
but with ttk atm you do have pretty crazy amount on energy for sin
ornate wagon
i assume he's talking about the dungeon build
Yeah dungeon build mate 😢
ornate wagon
I mean I am pumping loving the aoe but come to a boss the numbers are there but feels like I’m not doing anything waiting for abilities to come around with energy feels rough
ornate wagon
get your tank to pull extra with the bosses lol
Yeah and the nugget tanks I usually get will probably die doing that 🤣🤣🤣🤣
ornate wagon
Is it ok to envenom at 5 or should it be only 6-7 pls? Ty
snow quest
Once you reach 50 kb stacks it's no longer important to do envenoms? So you can prioritize spreading bleeds in the last part of kb window if overlap it with ma?
balmy condor
Once you reach 50 kb stacks it's no longer important to do envenoms? So you can ...
Probably not a great idea considering you’re in MA and shiv but yeah sure
snow quest
Right, but if you fully overlap ma and kb then you never have a good time to spread bleeds?
Other option is to delay the vanish a bit and only cover part of the window but that also sounds sus
snow quest
Yeah but if pack lasts long? I guess manually spread without IC after kb then
balmy condor
rupture will last way longer
shouldn't impact your envenoms at all
you can probably fit in a rupture if you super want to I guess
I don't think this is really all that important idk
like you're gonna vanish and spread garrotes regardless
and if you're gonna not envenom, you're refreshing ruptures that aren't in pandemic so that's kind of a waste
but if kingsbane is fully stacked and you don't care for the prio damage then shiv doesn't matter so who cares
slow marsh
based
balmy condor
probably followed that up with some snark about outlaw players being ignorant and clueless and wishing I could be that carefree about the universe
slow marsh
pretty sure that's accurate
subtle tundra
@midnight mist you are fucking with me. why are you making arcane worse. ep7 is gettin a 0/5
nvm its my favorite episode even with you ruining it
rotund oak
the color goes crazy
knowing whispyr that definitely sounds like a troll,even if u try to quote mine the man
slow marsh
No I just got a refresher on the lore now
Skip was dming scarizard about some dumbass stuff and scarizard called him out in outlaw so everyone was rolling him and Whispyr said what he did in response to how stupid people are in outlaw
rotund oak
outlaw chat
slow marsh
snow quest
Outlaw chat is great, we just repeat the same topics over and over
rotund oak
slow marsh
I clipped the top part by itself on purpose to try and troll with it. Idk
snow quest
Uncap bf, haste cap, how to redesign KS etc
snow quest
I mostly stick to the tc channel
ornate wagon
What’s easier and most fun in m+ sub or sin pls? Ty
livid oriole
yo, any simple WA for rogue u can recommend?
novel star
Outlaw chat is great, we just repeat the same topics over and over
sin channel does the same shit
novel star
What’s easier and most fun in m+ sub or sin pls? Ty
completely subjective
for me sin is way easier and way more fun, ask any sub main and they would say the opposite
try them both and decide for yourself
rotund oak
yo, any simple WA for rogue u can recommend?
!wa
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rotund oak
What’s easier and most fun in m+ sub or sin pls? Ty
Easier as in less things to do would prolly be sub trickster
sin has a certain routine and playing deathstalker,need to be aware of your deathstalkers mark bt can go fatebound,thats prolly easier than sub trickster
in terms of dmg Its something like :
1)Sin-Deathstalker
2)Sub - Deathstalker
3)Sub -trickster
4)Sin- Fatebound
subtle tundra
isnt sub trickster?
rotund oak
not anymore
subtle tundra
well
rotund oak
after buffs deathstalker is better
wise whale
In keys it's still trickster tho isn't it
rotund oak
not rly,deathstalker should win
ornate wagon
Easier as in less things to do would prolly be sub trickster
Awesome Ty mate appreciate it 👍 am loving sin so much fun just the clunky st I don’t like was thinking maybe trying sub to overcome this in m+? 👍
wise whale
No way with the amount of bugs
rotund oak
what amount of bugs
its the RS and mark
which doesnt rly mean anything
u apply it every global
wise whale
Yeah idk it plays like shit but ig we'll see
rotund oak
ye most ppl say that DS isnt rly fun to play compared to trickster
but in terms of dmg,doubt trickster still stands on the top
wise whale
Yeah bait n switch pretty giga
rotund oak
Awesome Ty mate appreciate it 👍 am loving sin so much fun just the clunky st I ...
sub is a very nice spec but u might be overwhelmed by the complexity
ild say safest pick is sin
if u wanna go b@lls deep and all to learn deathstalker sin deathstalker is ur game
midnight mist
nvm its my favorite episode even with you ruining it
ornate wagon
if u wanna go b@lls deep and all to learn deathstalker sin deathstalker is ur ga...
Awesome Ty mate yeah looking into sub it looks very complex 😩
rotund oak
Awesome Ty mate yeah looking into sub it looks very complex 😩
As everything related to rogue it takes time but dont be intimidated,u could start slow as sub and adapt
but fyi,sub can be very demanding,mechanics and all
its not an easy spec
ornate wagon
As everything related to rogue it takes time but dont be intimidated,u could sta...
Yeah thanks I’ll think I’ll really master sin get really good then maybe bring sub into the mix in the future 👍
smoky dagger
Guys this might be a stupid question, but which poison do I run i addition to amplifying poison i m+?
blazing pumice
deadly
blazing warren
Speaking of Poisons, Numbing or Atrophic for M+?
blazing pumice
it depends
warm lantern
anyone have a plater script or similar that makes my kingsbane target nameplate bigger? also for splatter (but lover prio i guess)
blazing pumice
i would just run numbing for any weekly no leaver pug 10 keys
blazing warren
What about the 14-15 range?
blazing pumice
people usually do a mix, mostly atrophic
i don't think there's a lot of value for atrophic in dungeons like siege or mists though
all the one shots are environmental
fresh kelp
atrophic if you are worried about your group dying to boss mechanics, numbing if you are worried about your tank dying in packs
vernal turret
numbling poison also feels better in pugs, people have more time to react on interrupts
keen spruce
U just take numbing in keys
It gets so much more value
At the cost of getting like 150k over killed once a month
Cuz you didn’t have atrophic
oak tangle
i take atrophic
cause im too lazy to swap
if tanks can do keys without a rogue, they can do it without me caring which poison i pick
left abyss
Are there any dungeons when i dont need to take iron wire?
running SB MA and SD together is rly nice
strange python
Are there any dungeons when i dont need to take iron wire?
Delete this
merry bison
why are people pooling instead of refreshing the envenom buff if they have 100+ energy?
is it to have enough energy for kb window?
torn frost
How complicated is sin rogue now? I haven’t played it for a good few years probably SoD in sl
oak tangle
it's a playstyle change for sure
balmy condor
less than sod
spec can lowkey be played by a monkey on a typewriter as long as you stack cooldowns together every minute and can track like 3 debuffs
final dawn
I am kinda confused now, will we keep playing sin or swap to sub?
balmy condor
Whatever you were playing before I guess
oak tangle
idk about you im playing disc priest adn aug evoker
balmy condor
Then you’re playing those
oak tangle
not sure on the question though, why would we be swapping
balmy condor
Idk, that’s why he’s confused
oak tangle
our successful nerf evasion agian?
or the buff for an unplayed hero talent in aoe (sub)
final dawn
Because ppl keep asking and I do not Understand why, as you
golden loom
the amount of dopamine that you get from forced induction holyyy
golden loom
yeah but over 2x lethality
wide sleet
oak tangle
!up
prisma monolithBOT
warm vortex
Wanted to push some rating today, did an NW key and heard a crash outside
I would have had to leave the key mid run (healer left anyway) because
This is what it was :(
A fence got broken off due to how bad the wind is rn
A bit of a tree also fell on the garage when I woke up this morning
warm vortex
True
spice spire
Bruh
normal mist
A bit of a tree also fell on the garage when I woke up this morning
Are y'all alright?
warm vortex
Yea
worried as i live next to a pub so if some drunk dude drives his car into my garden
tropic hull
!tt
broken sandal
Cannot understand how people are p[arsing well on Ulgrax as assa, by the time ive got Rupture and caustic out the adds melted?
worldly sail
Cannot understand how people are p[arsing well on Ulgrax as assa, by the time iv...
how to get good parse: get everyone else to stop doing damage
wise whale
Cannot understand how people are p[arsing well on Ulgrax as assa, by the time iv...
just buy a chinese parse run
desert crest
Cannot understand how people are p[arsing well on Ulgrax as assa, by the time iv...
are u using cooldowns on adds?
small garnet
how to need be on giga low energy all the time after a bit into the fight
desert crest
need=not i think
wise whale
oh
prisma monolithBOT
Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.
- No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
- 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
- You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target
small garnet
okay okay cuz in raid i feel like its so bad sometimes
desert crest
in raid it should not feel that bad most of the time are you playing the raid st build?
small garnet
yea the deathstalker one
i just feel like i zoom through thistle tea quite fast
are am i supposed to not abc as assa
desert crest
Yeah that kinda happens
small garnet
i also dont understand supercharger that much i think
desert crest
Yeah u can kinda just ignore supercharger tbh it just makes ur next 2 finishers stronger
small garnet
okay okay
desert crest
are u keeping 100% uptime on garrote and rupture?
novel star
^
press envenom when the buff is in pandemic dont just mash it
i mean you can just mash it and be fine
and you will also run out of energy regardless
but it helps a bit
tawdry iron
Hi guys, is there a list what can i skip with CoS?
broken sandal
are u using cooldowns on adds?
hardly feels worth it as I'm stuck cycling Rupture on targets then they are dead hah
desert crest
Yes correct
shy axle
whats the fastest way to earn valorstones right now? delves + those objects you can use in these open world scenarios?
paper raptor
Worldsoul memories are good, on your world map, do the 5X
noble pine
hey i've been looking at logs and seems like some ppl are running dawnthreat lining over ascendance has there been a change ?
also with perfect gear which one is better?
novel star
hey i've been looking at logs and seems like some ppl are running dawnthreat lin...
nothing has changed
you just didnt know what the decision was in the first place
at 80% lining uptime they're identical in single target
and lining wins as soon as you introduce any amount of aoe
been the same since day 1
!craft
prisma monolithBOT
Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime
Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
novel star
lots of people went ascension early because its a fat powerspike to craft a dagger
and when you only have 2 sparks available you may as well make the combo
thats all rly
noble pine
i see tnx for the explanation
novel star
at this point in the season you can do whatever but it really just doesnt matter much overall
embellishments are smaller than my nuts
spice spire
lots of people went ascension early because its a fat powerspike to craft a dagg...
I’ll show you a fat power spike pal
oak tangle
636 dagger is just bis until you get a 639
noble pine
i have 2 639 daggers
novel star
I’ll show you a fat power spike pal
ill give you a blessed grip 
royal lantern
I’ll show you a fat power spike pal
spice spire
ill give you a blessed grip <:Flirt:996965832271868006>
In November? Miss me w that
novel star
december 1st dearest
spice spire
Okay I’m listening
royal python
How does supercharger rank 2 work? It amplifies next 2 finishers?
forest spoke
is there a WA that can tell me how many mobs im in combat with that don't have dots on them?
runic terrace
!envenom
brazen sluice
is there a WA that can tell me how many mobs im in combat with that don't have d...
if u find lemme know pls been looking for it too
spice surge
Not sure why you would want one
The goal isnt to dot up every mob anyway, especially with rupture, you only want 5 ruptures up
forest spoke
thanks, i must have missed that part. same with garrote?
oak tangle
garrote is nye on forgettable
use with stealth
i should elaborate more, it's key in single target
and really good for stealth interrupts
but you cannot maintain 5
18 second dot with 5s cd or something
forest spoke
i gotcha. so when opening from stealth on big pulls, should i only use 1 garrote and spread rupture twice?
oak tangle
dependso nthe pull, iron wire is good, and if you can get all garrotes out that is also nice
spice surge
Nah you want to use imp garrote on stuff, but dont waste cp with it
As in use it to generate cp, if youre are at 5+ then use a finisher dont force more garrotes
forest spoke
alright, makes sense, thanks
oak tangle
tempest and spatter are aoe kings, rupture and garrotes are your energy regen, and 5 ruptures is your scent of blood
forest spoke
perfect, thanks
slate crown
slate crown
I'm starting a dk and why do I have to go through this starting zone it takes forever and is bugged
grim jay
sometimes i think i play too much
at the end of the expansion I always had every class at max and 2-3 rogues max
slate crown
I have exactly 2 80s and one of them is only 80 because gathering gives xp
icy acorn
I'm starting a dk and why do I have to go through this starting zone it takes fo...
should have taken an allied race
slate crown
should have taken an allied race
Allied races don't have +5 to alchemy
grim jay
ngl I think there are plenty games that do professions better than wow and I didnt even do it there
slate crown
I have like 6 70+s that I use for professions constantly
just no need to push them to 80
icy acorn
Allied races don't have +5 to alchemy <:starege:923197272064426075>
just be rich and buy a levelskip then? 
grim jay
I'm not spending that on a level skip
60-70 is 70k
icy acorn
60€ to lvl 70 but im sure there are cheaper boosting services around
oak tangle
say a prayer for me
grim jay
70-80 like 350k
oak tangle
who server transfered about 8 characters in 2022
slate crown
I only need this character to get to70
oak tangle
only for them to do this cross realm shit
brave comet
does garrote interrupt with iron wire?
shy axle
how do you play the arakara endboss? do you try to lure one of the adds into the middle to have it exactly next to the boss to stand in and keep dpsing or do you run to the outer side and chill until it is done?
can i cloak that effect that kills in that situation btw?
oak tangle
does garrote interrupt with iron wire?
Only from stealth and inside subterfuge
spice surge
how do you play the arakara endboss? do you try to lure one of the adds into the...
You can cloak it, but id recommend to just hit the boss and then step a friend when the cast has like 0.5s or so left
brave comet
Only from stealth and inside subterfuge
does details track it? cause i dont see it in the interrupts section
spice surge
The grip in is at like 1s left of his cast. And if you do the step thing you can instead cloak the poison stuff (or rather precloak it so you dont send out the poison waves towards your friends)
oak tangle
does details track it? cause i dont see it in the interrupts section
It does not
Logs does
runic terrace
What's your question?
If I just spam Envenom at 5+ CP or if I let one of the two applications run out and then cast the 2nd
slate crown
Cast envenom when you're in pandemic (that's when the buff has ~1 sec left on it, or if you have twist it's when the older of the two buffs has ~1 sec left) when you're out of cooldowns.
If you're in cooldowns, spam envenom at 5+ cp
runic terrace
Ok, thanks
raw dock
Guys, doesnt cloak immune Demolisher's fear in Siege?
Does it make any sense? Or am I missing something?
spice surge
No
forest spoke
Does Deathmark only duplicate dot procs while it's active, or does it completely apply a full-duration version?
IE I deathmark and stealth -> garrote, does the mob now have 2 full-duration garrotes, or does the one i applied just do double damage while Deathmark is active?
spice surge
Does Deathmark only duplicate dot procs while it's active, or does it completely...
Both
Its a separate dot so you get twice the benefit of venomous wounds, lethal dose etc
forest spoke
alright, thanks
humble verge
i only have 2 80
spice surge
But you can apply new dots during it and before it, it will duplicate them regardless of when theyre applied
humble verge
D:
slate crown
i only have 2 80
based
humble verge
and like
my other is a dk
cause i thought id have to FOTM change
but im getting invites to m+ so it works i guess
warm vortex
Saw the embelish earlier
I guess i should get 2x dawn instead of ascend when i get a 639 2nd dagger ig X)
humble verge
what, did they rework ascension?=
grim jay
what, did they rework ascension?=
elaborate
warm vortex
No like
Im thinking 2x 639 daggers would be better than 1 at 636 even with ascendance
or i could be wrong
Idk id have to sim to find out
humble verge
hmm idk
warm vortex
offhander istnt as big of a diffrence as mainhander tbf
spice surge
Offhand ilvl is the least important of all the slots
humble verge
the 2nd is jsut a stat stick
warm vortex
Fairs
humble verge
so having ascension on off hand
warm vortex
ill prolly stick with it this season then
warm vortex
I feel like 2.2 is baseline for
humble verge
not bad
humble verge
enhance bad lmao
warm vortex
i fucked up my CT a bit
humble verge
xd
humble verge
where would you even see CT uptime D:
warm vortex
Details
grim jay
no what he said
yeah it was just like
humble verge
yeah but which
humble verge
how did you come to that conclusion
idk
sounded like he was talking about the tuning
but that was just classes anyways
warm vortex
warm vortex
That's so low
IK rashnan drags it down but
humble verge
orb miniboss right into the wall
warm vortex
still
humble verge
rofl
warm vortex
Oh lmo
warm vortex
Yeye
humble verge
tho like
warm vortex
thats what im doing next
warm vortex
What you mean
humble verge
are those 14 your own keys?
warm vortex
thought
"oh ill do the 14 for shits and gigles, imma die like over and over so w/e"
ended up timing it
was a 14 SoB full pug
humble verge
yeah if they are your own keys thten it makes sense
warm vortex
later in the day 2 friends asked to do the 14 DB i had
humble verge
i have pugged my way through this
warm vortex
we did that
next week we barely did a 14 MoTS
Rn i got a NW 14 i don't wanna do X)
warm vortex
Mood
humble verge
but like
i never pug my own keys
i dont trust pugs
even tho i pug all other peoples keys
warm vortex
Tbh i barely know what to do in SV trash wise
minus kick shit
and run iw
don't stand in the frontal lava thingy
warm vortex
Dest the totems
warm vortex
God they fucking love curses this season eh?
sudden sigil
In a +12 on a pure st boss, what should I be doing as dmg there?
With lyst etc
iron carbon
No mage?
humble verge
In a +12 on a pure st boss, what should I be doing as dmg there?
With lyst etc
depends on your gear tbf
warm vortex
Im singing up to GBs and SVs
humble verge
but like
warm vortex
because tehre are barely any
warm vortex
first boss you don't break the spikes right
iron carbon
Me, when I play my alt
spice surge
first boss you don't break the spikes right
Depends, theres a bunch of ways to do it
iron carbon
OR Pal tank
spice surge
But most are either doing 2/2, or 1/3