assassination

[slate crown]

But if you can't do that which realistically not everyone can

Focus on consumable / enhancement professions (Alchemy, enchanting) and concentration optimizing if you have little time in a day

and are just starting out

[lethal arrow]

be me and make 7m selling magnificent settings

[cobalt sphinx]

how many tokens can you buy with the contents of a 7-11 cash register

[slate crown]

you can't go from 0 to crazy scaling right now

[slate crown]

Good luck trying to do this now

I made about the same off them at the start of the patch

but that window has long closed

[coarse summit]

like 3 on a good day probably

[slate crown]

if you do have time to farm but just don't have anything started, just go do gathering

with gathering you at least can catch up on knowledge

and it's time => Money

it's low throughput

[spice surge]

As they say

[slate crown]

but it's consistent and reliable throughput

[spice surge]

Time is money friend

[slate crown]

as true and eternal as the laws of thermodynamics

[grim jay]

Boosting is still valid aswell

[slate crown]

Boosting is out of reach for many

If you're in a position where you are scraping by for enchants, you're likely not in a position to boost either

[grim jay]

I mean there is usually plenty of low end stuff to boost

[cobalt sphinx]

Stealth in, throw a distract and sap. Maybe kidney shot if you have to. That’s an easy 500k for a couple minutes work

[strange python]

yep this is most "farms" or profs. they used to be good and are a waste of time now

[coarse summit]

oh right the na tokens are low af

[runic hinge]

beautiful

[coarse summit]

eu you get like 350k

[slate crown]

Concentration is great as a means of getting gold for people that don't have a lot of time in the day and don't have a ton of upfront capitol. I saw that as someone who is sitting on multiple concentration caps, I don't use it now, but if I were starting from zero it would be a good way to get basic materials

[slate crown]

True goldmaking isn't from finding a "farm"

[cobalt sphinx]

Yeah maybe people caught onto the 7-11 cash register farm already

[slate crown]

anyone who has a "farm" they're sharing on youtube or whatever is just farming themselves, they're farming you for clicks

[strange python]

how do you do this

[strange python]

Wait, you mean I'm the product?!

[coarse summit]

yeah, the 7-11 cashier is a dragonflight mob, it probably has stealth detection

[slate crown]

You need to level a profession of your choice, preferably one that produces something that everyone uses frequently (Gems, Enchants, Flasks/Potions) and push into that, it will take some upfront studying to understand the system, but any game has systems that need to be understood to engage with them

[strange python]

I have max alchemy

[slate crown]

then pick a recipe that people want the craft from, and push all of your knowledge into those craft areas

then every day log in and check your concentration, and use concentration on the crafts you can craft at max with low quality materials

[strange python]

this is assuming you farm the materials right

[slate crown]

No

This is assuming you buy the materials directly

[strange python]

Is it only profitable if you use concentration though right

[slate crown]

For what I'm explaining? yes

[cobalt sphinx]

Craftsim reagent optimization will tell you if something is worth making, prices fluctuate heavily

[slate crown]

That's the point though, it's limited btu gets you in the door

[strange python]

So you do need some investment first

[slate crown]

Some, yes.

But not a huge amount

[strange python]

I see I'll look into it

[slate crown]

Also yes, Craftsim is an amazing tool

The dev is very active and responsive and frequently posting updates (Btw @cobalt sphinx if you didn't see new version, he created a way to one click buy materials from a shopping list)

[cobalt sphinx]

Realllllllly

Enchants have kind of been in the dumpster for a minute so i have been a stormbound armor kit main

[slate crown]

Most crafts are right now

[earnest remnant]

lmao that looks like yours at the start of DF xD

[lethal arrow]

its fallen far

17k when i started down to 1k now

[ornate wagon]

guys in the whispyr weakaura pack anyone know how to get caustic spatter to glow when the buff needs applying again pls just to remind me 🙂 ty

[coral ibex]

add a glow under display and then a condition to turn on the glow when there's less than 2s left

[tepid breach]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[ornate wagon]

i want the glow to stay on though mate?

[coral ibex]

why would you want it to glow all the time

you just said you want it to glow to remind you to reapply

[slate crown]

If you want that then do it

[coral ibex]

if something is glowing all the time it might as well not glow bc the glow means nothing

[slate crown]

I agree.

[ornate wagon]

stay glowing until i re apply it i mean

[slate crown]

condition based on the caustic aura trigger for if aura found = false then glow

You probably want to also include an in combat part

so it's not glowing when you're like

in town

at the bank

[coral ibex]

my caustic aura just desaturates when not applied

[jade abyss]

I like caustic in one way and hate it in a other way x)

[slate crown]

Same

[rocky sluice]

progging on Silken Court tonight, any tips and advice my fellow sin comrades

[west crown]

Don’t make purple

[solar wyvern]

Kill the boss

!

[rocky sluice]

sooo helpful thanks

[solar wyvern]

Be depressed as you realize the entire boss is not about dps

[rocky sluice]

I know you hold

[solar wyvern]

But about your healers ability to do dispells

[twilit hollow]

[rocky sluice]

and use 2 min on first charge

but I noticed some dont, on lorrgs

[worldly sail]

make focus macro for putting up garrote and rupture and keep one boss as focus

[solar wyvern]

Some people deathmark at 30 seconds, so they can have 30% nature amp

[worldly sail]

i would have lost my mind trying to mouseover bleed for the wholefight

[solar wyvern]

For first charge

Kingsbane naturally lines at 45-1:45 chatges

[rocky sluice]

word

[west crown]

Saving cds isn’t that important for first charge

[solar wyvern]

I set up mrt reminders to press cds so i didnt have to think lol

[west crown]

Just have it up for first intermission

[solar wyvern]

Ehhg

[worldly sail]

intermission

[solar wyvern]

Lots of people are stopping dps to line xds

On intermission

I dont think you deathmark shield

[rocky sluice]

I was told NOT to use shit on intermission so CDs allign for the dispell damage amp

[solar wyvern]

Yeah

Shield phase is fake

[west crown]

The whole fight is fake. Just do mechanics and it falls over

[solar wyvern]

Just do your little left step on your first half circle and then just rotate around

Yeah literally. Hardest prog points are the second set of web bombs and getting dispels down

Cause those scarabs eat your ass when you dont have grips and cc down properly

To me its actually just a healer fight haha

[rocky sluice]

word thanks brother

[coral ibex]

yup there's no reason to ever greed your damage

100% a dance fight

make it to the end and boss dies

you literally fully stop damage at least once

[runic hinge]

I don’t want to stop damage

I want to do damage

[coral ibex]

yea holding damage sucks

but making sure you have cds for the right time is more important

[worldly sail]

its funny to "FULLY STOP DAMAGE" and watch people slowly creep past you in the dps meter

[lethal arrow]

hold your cds for damage amps

dont be that guy

[thorn fjord]

Can we cloak the debuff on court?

After soaking the bombs

[quaint dock]

I'm curious if anyone using a mouseover macro for rupture, so you don't have to change target in order to apply rupture to a different target. I've used this on casters in the past with dots, but wasn't sure if the fact that this is melee range makes it unreliable

[worldly sail]

no

[fallow canopy]

you can avoid taking dmg from the dot but the stacks persist

[runic hinge]

I’m referencing a twitch clip

[ornate wagon]

whats a good uptime on caustic spatter on details pls? ty

[runic hinge]

Maybe too niche

[worldly sail]

imagine if you could just remove the stacks with immunity

target dummy fight

[thorn fjord]

Yeah thats what i was thinking

lol

[worldly sail]

its funny picking up too many and trying to panic cloak

[thorn fjord]

Will evasion work on scarabs?

[fallow canopy]

cloak helps a lot if you are on the group that stays together for webbies after the pulls at the end of the fight, the rot damage there is kinda insane

[worldly sail]

weakaura just says goodbye and you die

[fallow canopy]

yea

[thorn fjord]

I had a really hard time with regicides on princess

Kept dying from having one other person on me on the last line

Feint wouldnt keep me alive

[fallow canopy]

I just cloaked the last 7 secs everytime on intermission

and gg

[thorn fjord]

I was using cloak for lines

[fallow canopy]

rather lose uptime than play ww3 simulator there

[thorn fjord]

Was dying from the DOT from being out of range... Guess I should have held cloak for intermission =/

[worldly sail]

elusiveness was gg for kyveza

[thorn fjord]

I ended up getting benched and missed out on kill

[worldly sail]

feint in intermission and maybe evasion if feeling like someones about to walk on you

[thorn fjord]

my verse is really low so i'd just drop and get taken out by reaper

[fallow canopy]

ironically 99% of my deaths on that part were me greeding the pizza slices and dying like a complete baboon

[thorn fjord]

Really sucked... I dont want to get sat for Court

[worldly sail]

[ornate wagon]

how many targets do we start our aoe rotation at pls? ty

[balmy condor]

take my spot

[worldly sail]

i never used cloak in intermission (unless i got lucky by getting no lines and held cloak until actual enrage)

[fallow canopy]

is the kitchen still on fire?

[thorn fjord]

My GM and I have been at odds with each other (mostly because of me trolling him on my Bday and some other stuff) so he's been extra critical with me... He made a comment to someone else after the kill last night saying not to fuck with him or you'd be benched watching the kill

Kinda hurt

But I just gotta play better on Court

Court seems like a doozy of a fight

[balmy condor]

in what way

[fallow canopy]

the strats, you guys stayed with the 2nd one or switched again?

[balmy condor]

we stayed I think

[thorn fjord]

You guys are still on court? @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

yes

[fallow canopy]

how is it looking?

[balmy condor]

we haven't seen end of p2 bro lmao

[thorn fjord]

jesus christ

[fallow canopy]

fun

[thorn fjord]

Oh man this is going to be a 400+ pull for us

[coral ibex]

i saw a clip of some guy raging in yumytv's court prog and i need more clips of it

[thorn fjord]

Swift and Fyraak were both 500+ pulls for us

[coral ibex]

YOUR BRAIN IS COOKED MAN

[worldly sail]

theyre bound to hit court and ansurek with some post hof nerfs soon

[thorn fjord]

Another buff next week too

[solar wyvern]

Man how do you nerf court without deleting the fight

I just dont know

[coral ibex]

few things are as entertaining as clips of people crashing out mid pull

[fringe sierra]

How much are you guys avg in 10+ keys?

dmg wise

[thorn fjord]

Princess without reaper would be such an easy fight

[solar wyvern]

1.8-2.2m depending on how fast the idiot ret pal nukes the packs

[fallow canopy]

I feel like at season end they are gonna make the color touching not a 1shot but like a biiiig damage

lol

[coral ibex]

increase the % on each damage amp, make them last longer

[fallow canopy]

oh that's a good one nvm

[solar wyvern]

Hmm

[worldly sail]

make less webs required like heroic

idk

[thorn fjord]

We holding CD's for the first dmg amp phase or just sending on pull?

[solar wyvern]

That could actually be pretty good

[worldly sail]

less dispells

[coral ibex]

holding

at least i am

most povs ive seen also hold

[thorn fjord]

Can send KB on pull atleast?

[coral ibex]

no

[thorn fjord]

kk

[fallow canopy]

I feel like holding is better for timings but some people do whatever

[coral ibex]

you can shiv

[solar wyvern]

Man this would make the fight actual resident sleeper

[worldly sail]

i tried both holding and sending but didnt seem to make a difference. in the end i held for the charge just because it was fun

[solar wyvern]

Same with less webs

[worldly sail]

yeah thats what nerfing does to bosses

[thorn fjord]

Timings wont change based on dmg going out right? Its just a dance from what im seeing

[coral ibex]

intermissions are based on a shield

they end when it breaks

[thorn fjord]

kk

Were you guys all on scarab?

[worldly sail]

i was on web duty

team red

[coral ibex]

im red team

[fallow canopy]

red team

[coral ibex]

on web duty

[fallow canopy]

not on web duty (at start)

[nimble tartan]

web is the best

its so easy

[thorn fjord]

As rogue should i expect web duty?

[coral ibex]

[fallow canopy]

no idea

[nimble tartan]

and u just slam the biss

[thorn fjord]

Or are you guys just better with mechanics in your group?

[fallow canopy]

guild just send ranged to do that shit

[nimble tartan]

its cause u want melee to do webs

[thorn fjord]

Because if thats the case i wont get web duty lmao

[coral ibex]

im brand new to my guild and they put me on web duty

[nimble tartan]

the ranged have lots of spots and odd jobs on that fight

[coral ibex]

you want more ranged on court

so the limited melees are on webs

[nimble tartan]

so the melee u have will be web

[fallow canopy]

interesting, we did opposite so I'm guessing we did a diffy strat

[thorn fjord]

Thanks for the help guys 🙂

[quaint dock]

Personally I use Plater to show me when my target has Caustic spatter. You just set it as a special aura and it shows when it is on your target as a debuff to the side of the nameplate instead of at the top with all the other buffs/debuffs

Has anyone here played around with using mouseover macro's for Garrote/Rupture to make it easier to upkeep without having to target switch off of your prio target

[atomic relic]

Any upcomming nerf/buffs for rogues?

Enhance and prot got nerfed dont know about rogues :((

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah sub got some meme buffs

[coral ibex]

you should just reroll now

break the seal

[atomic relic]

😂🤣🤣

Why would i reroll from this funny class

[atomic relic]

Lool

[copper jackal]

Guys better to get Sureki Zealot from raid in Mythic or stay with Trailspinner one in hero while taking the ring upgrade to Mythic ? Pls help me choose can't decide. Ps : my goal is to get 3K MM+ rio, don't care that much raiding

[cursive marsh]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

the neck sucks in m+

[copper jackal]

thanks for help mate

[jade abyss]

Would it be a big thing, when we apply caustic with envenom instead of mutilate

[novel star]

ew

gross

please no

[west crown]

I’m 99% sure that doesn’t work

But good luck trying

[solar wyvern]

It doesnt work

Not 99% 100% suee

[jade abyss]

It doesnt work now i know

[solar wyvern]

If it worked that way we really would be a FoK envenom spec. Sub is already losing their minds today reading more BP buffs haha

[stable bridge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen spruce]

sims about equal to a 626 trailspinner for me in dungeon slice so there's almost certainly better upgrades

[balmy condor]

Yes

That’s what I said

[real solar]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor assa ded, time to play sub now??

[spice surge]

I was happier before these notes came out

[royal lantern]

it reads kinda stupid, ngl

like, the most half assed buffs possible

[glad osprey]

what's the literal best most mindless way to get valorstones? i am always starved for them and it's kinda frustrating

pvp? wax???

its obv not running dungeons

[thorn fjord]

heroic dungeon spam prob

or delves

[glad osprey]

i feel like as a dps this isnt efficient

as a tank you could speed run them

[balmy condor]

Not assa not my problem gg

[royal lantern]

but assa dead???

[balmy condor]

Back to Maplestory

And Diablo 4

[royal lantern]

pathfinder time for me

[jade abyss]

Your the maplestory guy

[balmy condor]

I’m one of the Maplestory guys I guess yeah

[jade abyss]

Not gonna lie, there is other people they play that game except you x) ?

[static glacier]

get black powdered on st kid

[jade abyss]

What is pathfinder? I know only a pen and paper with this name

[balmy condor]

Record high player count patch after patch

MMO with a community that’s growing after nearly 22 years

Idk

Yea?

[jade abyss]

Thanks

[west crown]

It’s definitely efficient. Was most peoples way of getting them beginning of season

[hot blade]

isnt that the game where dev was selling pay to win loot boxes with 0% chance to get advertised drops?

[west crown]

Popular doesn’t mean good. But gacha will get ya

[cunning sonnet]

How do you make plater show a debuff at the side of enemy hp bar?

[balmy condor]

Little bit more nuanced than that, but they rigged the rates so that warriors for example got less strength rolls on gear. And that was the Korean version of the game, which is very different from the NA/EU western version operated by a different team

But yes

[lethal arrow]

me

[lethal arrow]

the loot boxes do give whats advertised its just usually whale level rates

[torpid relic]

guys how much hast should we have in m+

[lethal arrow]

otherwise they only patented some extremely scummy garbage rng on the korean version of the game that likely isnt actually implemented

[torpid relic]

i have like 4%(2000)

[balmy condor]

Perfect

[quaint dock]

If you have plater settings open there is a option called Debuff Special or something. That is for buffs to the side of the bar, customizable placement left, right, etc...

[austere bramble]

Wait is sin in trouble?

[balmy condor]

No?

Why would it be

[jade abyss]

We dooming D: (is this a word ?)

[austere bramble]

I saw ppl saying it ded

[spice surge]

Theres nothing to doom about

[balmy condor]

[spice surge]

Assa didnt get any changes

[balmy condor]

It didn’t get any changes

We doom with nerfs, we doom with buffs cause maybe it means nerfs later, we doom with no changes because why are we not getting changes while other specs get buffed

It’s so joever

[jade abyss]

Doomination Rogue

[lethal arrow]

sub is actually the only spec now thats playable

ass is bottom dps

[torpid relic]

in raid

[balmy condor]

[west crown]

Bottom dps in raid is a skill issue

[torpid relic]

in m+

there is no way assa is bottom

[balmy condor]

in PvP even

[jade abyss]

Why have this cat human hands o.O

[balmy condor]

in pet battles

[gloomy heart]

wat happened

waht did i miss

[lethal arrow]

timewalking too

[west crown]

We are gutted. Time to start dooming

[lethal arrow]

scenarios? forget about it

[balmy condor]

We’re dooming over literally nothing

Quick join in

[torpid relic]

GUYS!

[gloomy heart]

OH NO

WE ARE FUCKED!

[torpid relic]

4% hast is bad or enough

for m+

[obsidian bear]

o7 quitting cause of this

[jade abyss]

We are bottom in delves and questing

[gloomy heart]

FUUUUUCK

[lethal arrow]

get 10% @torpid relic

[balmy condor]

Perfect

[lethal arrow]

get 40% actually

[balmy condor]

Get 20% even

Maybe 30%

[lethal arrow]

put corruptions on your gear

[hallow pelican]

i missed something ... why are the fucktards dooming?

[lethal arrow]

go to 60%

[torpid relic]

bruh

[balmy condor]

Who knows

[torpid relic]

guys stop joking

tell mee

[west crown]

Sub new best rogue spec

[torpid relic]

is it bad or nah

[balmy condor]

We aren’t joking

NO

ITS FINE

[jade abyss]

Stop it xD

[lethal arrow]

any amount of haste is fine dawg

who gaf

stats are meaningless

ilvl is all that matters

[hallow pelican]

did shiv get its damage nerfed b y a half % and the usual dumbfucks are going gonzo?

[balmy condor]

No

We received 0 changes

Sub got buffed

[hallow pelican]

OMG IM QUITTING

[royal lantern]

ded spec gg

[hallow pelican]

-_-

[jade abyss]

I think assa deserves a buff !

[balmy condor]

I’m honestly surprised we didn’t get a nerf after being in every mdi ever

[torpid relic]

Outlaw deserves its range

[hallow pelican]

hot take ... rogue players are mostly half wits

[balmy condor]

But it is what it is

[balmy condor]

rogue world of warcraft players

[jade abyss]

All rogues deserves his 3yards !

[torpid relic]

Outlaw shooting right behind boss's ass

is so ridiculous

[hallow pelican]

i should have qualified it with "ESPECIALLY" rogue players

[lethal arrow]

your average wow player buys the expansion, does some quests and closes the game

[balmy condor]

True actually

[jade abyss]

And blame blizzard for not enough content

[west crown]

Good keep it that way

Less fotm

[indigo totem]

I haven't seen a check the pins in ages, we're not getting buffed or nerfed significantly any time soon... Enjoy it while it lasts, it's like Blockbuster before the vanish bug took them out too

[fallow canopy]

pog

[real solar]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[gloomy heart]

omg huge fan boli

[arctic tusk]

my kingsbane just got parried on my 2% ansurek pull

[spare cargo]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[split willow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[novel star]

this command gotta go bro

[novel star]

[mystic hollow]

Anyone know why Whispyr stopped posting VODs of past broadcasts on Twitch? Or, if you see this and wanna answer yourself, I just didn't want to bother you by tagging you over something silly.

Just trying to check out a good rogue, and love the way he's got his spell queue set up. Very easy to follow.

[coral ibex]

look him up on youtube

the vods are there

[novel star]

its because hes blasting music the whole time

twitch isnt auto publishing the vods because of copyright and shit

[mystic hollow]

Ahhh, that makes sense

[novel star]

if you click any of them that are up you see a lot of the timeline is red

[mystic hollow]

Dope, tyty ❤️

[novel star]

cus the sound got muted cus of music

he could still manually publish them im p sure tho

but yea

youtube vods are better anyway, twitch is legit a shit website

[mystic hollow]

Thanks for the heads up! I'll go check em out

[novel star]

https://www.youtube.com/@whispyr5793/streams

[gloomy heart]

fire buffs make my toes curl

YAHOO

[lethal arrow]

hes tax evading

[cunning sonnet]

Does the multiple garrote/rupture talent prioritize neraby enemies with no active bleed?

[spice surge]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[cunning sonnet]

ty

[blissful pecan]

can i cloak the Shattering Sweep and stay inside?

i tried cloaking but felt like im still getting blown away

[spice surge]

If you cloak within 1 second of the cast going of yes

Only the first second of cloak works on it

[blissful pecan]

even if i dont use it within 1 secs, i do not take dmg right?

just knockbacks

[coarse aurora]

Does anyone use Sudden Demise in m+?

[blazing pumice]

most people yes

[coarse aurora]

I've been using Sanguine Blades instead because it's supposed to be more ST for purely 1 target bosses but idk if I'm missing out on a lot of damage in AoE

Also I saw someone on YT that was running Twist the Knife in m+. Is that troll?

[west crown]

If you want ST sanguine blades is not what you want

Twist the knife would help with that

[coarse aurora]

Oh ok maybe that's why they were running it

[blazing pumice]

sudden demise doesn't sim properly

just fyi

[coarse aurora]

Would you drop sudden for twist then for that?

[west crown]

Yes

That is the common thing to do

[coarse aurora]

What do you mean by that?

[west crown]

No execute in sim

[coarse aurora]

So it's better than the sims think then?

[west crown]

Yeah a little bit

Loses value in high keys though because you aren’t really utilizing the execute as much

[blazing pumice]

you can see how much the proc is doing in your details

to get an idea

[coarse aurora]

Riiight so basically if you're doing low keys like 7 aand below? you would use sudden demise, otherwise the higher you go you'd swap for twist the knife for more boss and prio damage

[blazing pumice]

i wouldn't run ttk

[coarse aurora]

I mean sanguine blades for me was doing quite a bit on the overall after a key

[west crown]

Ttk is good. And sanguine blades value is overestimated because you are also losing more energy to do that extra damage

But it’s also, still good

[blazing pumice]

tkk only really relevant in really high keys where bosses are actually a problem

in current gear anything lower than a 15 is depletes to people being apes, not lack of damage

[coarse aurora]

Yea my energy does suffer a fair bit in ST

[indigo totem]

Is ovinax egg over-simming?
Sims pick it @626 over contact @626 with a max champ ilvl 619 skardyn

[novel star]

if you have a weakaura to play around the stacks on it then no

if you ignore it and treat it like a passive

then yes

because the sim optimizes it

[spice spire]

I don’t use weakauras

Only strong ones

[novel star]

you have a strong aura bro

[spice spire]

👬

They don’t have a non-binary one sorry big dog

And I don’t have any other hand holding (it’s a sin)

[novel star]

https://tenor.com/view/90s-anime-holding-hands-yu-yu-hakusho-gif-17310557

[spice spire]

Could be us

[novel star]

tag yrself…

~<

[loud dome]

how are you guys dealing with stuff dying too quick in 10/11s

[west crown]

Keep up, skill issue

[west crown]

But actually. You should be able to get a kingsbane off pretty frequently in 10/11s

[loud dome]

do you do a shorter setup

[shy creek]

Yeah I skip deathmark in a lot of packs

[winged gust]

thats just cold

[shy creek]

If you're good at tracking offensive cds on your team with omnicd you can technically use deathmark then when you know nobody else has it

[west crown]

I’ll cut a second garrote and not pre Envenom sometimes

[slate crown]

ur a real one

[slow marsh]

Do we consume clear the witnesses even while still in subt window?

[balmy condor]

yes

[slow marsh]

ty sir

its so awkward getting used to fan in opener

also are we just holding second charge of vanish forever or when is it optimal to use it

[west crown]

Hold for chain pull or certain specific mechanics. But mostly chain pull

[slow marsh]

what about for ST boss fights or whatever. Do we just stack it and use vanish normally

or are we strictly using subt for m+

[arctic tusk]

locked in the mythic ansurek kill

🙏

i have no idea how to pad on this fight for future reclear

[slate crown]

grats!

[balmy condor]

subterfuge/without a trace is purely m+

[blissful pecan]

can i get any feedbacks on my logs? any tips will be appriciated, im aiming for 95+ https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RFqGT14YMdPyn3zQ#fight=21&type=damage-done&source=7

[cobalt sphinx]

i think in a fight of this length, you get a lot of damage using deathmark on your fourth kingsbane instead of your third

instead of dm+kb, kb, dm+kb, kb you would go dm+kb, kb, kb, dm+kb and your second deathmark would get full execute damage value

pretty good for parsing bloodbound and sikran

[sand jewel]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[rotund oak]

Me and u on a gym.The bench winner takes whispyr

[west crown]

If you can predict kill speed

[wispy epoch]

What’s your bench

[rotund oak]

my pr?

[blazing pumice]

mine is 200kg

[rotund oak]

coz there are things we do on a bench.Negatives for strength,speed,endurance,,

[blissful pecan]

thanks a lot, ill give it a try. never thought of fighting length and allocating dms

[oak tangle]

YOOOOOOOO

we procced evasion bois

[ornate wagon]

In st when kingsbane and shiv is available after initial pullI never seem to have any energy what do I do in this circumstance please? Ty

[blazing pumice]

in m+ you just suck it up

[ornate wagon]

😩 so still press kingsbane and shiv even though i have no energy yeah mate? Yeah im on about m+ aswell

[oak tangle]

i mean you know when it's coming up, yo ucan plan ahead and start saving energy

[uneven plume]

Where the rogue buffs wtf

Primarily sin

I’m sadge

[spark shore]

Question…so from stealth in aoe I garrote x2 and rupture x2 do I ambush the main target before a garrotte or do I ambush the main target after the 2nd rupture to apply the 3 stacks of whatever that buff is called

[jovial idol]

The infamous energy pooling

[ornate wagon]

Emery pooling is that stop casting because that’s the only way I can see to save energy? 😩

[blazing pumice]

ye

you don't really want to hold, it will throw your deathmark out of whack

[jovial idol]

Indeed. Just always plan ahead when KB is coming up so that when it's off CD you have all dots up and have energy to do the window. As mentioned you usually want to send as soon as the mfer is off cd

It's not too bad considering the setup some classes need for their burst

If you have tea then it's not that important to pool, but still helps to go hard on the spam. This is for KB only btw, on DM energy is not an issue

[west crown]

Keep bleeds up, get to 5 combo points, don’t cast envenom until you’ve pooled enough

[ornate wagon]

do we cast knives on 2 targets pls?

[normal mist]

Yes

[ornate wagon]

thanks mate

[molten echo]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[latent prism]

If I’m hitting over dr (21k+)on mastery with flask and / or skardyns on use - should I switch flask for crit or haste?

For M+

Stats if relevent

[dim nebula]

are we playing double vanish in M+ now?

[balmy condor]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[balmy condor]

you can

[brazen sluice]

hi so if i decided to play as a rogue assa is the spec to go for?

[normal mist]

if you want to

[brazen sluice]

do we have any sims for rogue specs?

[indigo crypt]

much more comfortable in pickup

[ornate wagon]

looking through raidbot st rotation why is there the acasional knives pls?

[blazing pumice]

@subtle tundra do you have secret tech for surviving last boss on cot?

[marble hemlock]

one heal

[blazing pumice]

clear the witnesses

hero talent

[ornate wagon]

yeah its not near that mate

[blazing pumice]

what

that is why it's being cast st

[ornate wagon]

forget that being stupid thanks mate i get it ❤️

[subtle tundra]

Wing it

Feint on every mechanic

[blazing pumice]

i'm getting cranked on the last tick of splice

[subtle tundra]

Healer issue

Not kidding

Can vial if you don't trust healer

[blazing pumice]

are you evasion/cloaking the splice or holding?

[subtle tundra]

Evasion is emergency button

Cloak for roots

1 vanish for roots

You can get every root break almost

[winged quail]

healers keep gaslighting me that 2nd to last boss CoT is harder than last boss to heal

if that's true why the fuck do groups keep dying on last boss mr healer?

[warm vortex]

Tbf both bosses suck in healing

I mean last boss is fun on war

SR every dot back to boss

[subtle tundra]

All bosses in cot are really hard

First a bit less

But still very easy to fuck uo

We have 2x17 city keys...

Fuck

[royal lantern]

3rd boss is 24/7 healing required

and thats something healers struggle with

healing kits are better at handeling bursty dmg, constant dmg will make them run dry + is extremely stressfull

[remote oasis]

https://wago.io/t6bI_B9wi
I becone this not imported

[vernal snow]

@normal mist What do I drop for double vanish? Lethality? And would u recommend dropping TTK for SBS too? Rn I play 1/2 Lethality without WAT and also without SBS but with TTK.

[novel star]

it would be lethality yea

1/2 lethality is kinda whatever u just dont rly gaf about it

idk

you can play whatever you want

dropping sbs is generally not recommended, most common choice is sudden demise vs ttk

rather than sbs

[bright marten]

outlaw or ass which is better atm

[novel star]

but 500 builds are fine

[novel star]

the one you like playing

[bright marten]

cool and if i like playing both

mr helpful guy

[novel star]

then assassination

is kinda just the best at the moment

[vernal snow]

@novel star thx a lot mate. Why isn't it recommended to drop SBS? What's the downside to IT dropping?

[novel star]

just slows down the opener a lot

and -2% on lethal dose

[dry steeple]

Hi, I have a question about my vault.
I have the egg of Ovinax and the crystal of Anub'ikkaj in mythic track. I have sims and the egg gives me 1.4% up compared to 0.4% for the crystal. But I don't know how to use the egg. I'm talking about mm+. Should i go for the egg anyway ?

[novel star]

also makes it more awkward to maintain ruptures in a long pull

or chainpulls

idk sbs is just a really nice feelcraft talent

[novel star]

egg loses a lot of value if you arent playing around it, id go crystal personally cause i dont want to use a weakaura for a passive trinket

[vernal snow]

Okay thx again 😌 will respec then. And it seems double vanish is just too good for IW when the pugs suddenly don't feel like interrupting or stunning anymore 😂

[novel star]

but i would also pass on myth transmitter if it dropped

cause i dont wanna play around that either

so its really preference i guess

[torpid pewter]

Do you guys extend garrote with vanish in the beginning or save it for the 2nd round cd with deathmark?

[novel star]

do you want to look at a weakaura to balance your egg stacks at all times

if not you can still take the egg and not care and it'll be fine

[worldly sail]

both

[novel star]

but you will feel weak and sad about it

[dry steeple]

ok, thx a lot !

[novel star]

in what context

[torpid pewter]

But you literally wait for the 10-15 seconds of vanish to go off?

[novel star]

the both answer is literally the correct answer if youre talking about mythic+

vanish serves like 6 different purposes in keys

[bright marten]

i wanna switch to assassin but i seem to have dropped a lot of dps on it in my sim

[torpid pewter]

No Iam talking about raid

[novel star]

in raid you exclusively use vanish for master assassin on the last 6s of kingsbane (during deathmark)

[worldly sail]

with master assassin you send vanish with 6 seconds left in kingsbane

wtf he was faster than me

[bright marten]

my secondary stats are a bit not ideal so that will account for some but it went from 900k to around 600k

[novel star]

owned

[bright marten]

am i maybe just messing somethign up

[novel star]

link the sim

[torpid pewter]

Ah okay that makes sense

[novel star]

stats shouldnt matter that much on sin

[normal mist]

yeah that would be lethality, there are so many builds we can do atm anything can work

[bright marten]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p1PFxNhNhSXVS8D2UCxhDq

[novel star]

outlaw also just sims unrealistically high and this will always be the case because of how the spec works but

you are simming m+ build on st

[bright marten]

yeah but i also did that for outlaw.

correct htoughj

[novel star]

outlaw doesnt make as many st sacrifices for m+ talents as sin does

[strange python]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[novel star]

cause your aoe damage is just your st damage

[vernal snow]

Ye it's crazy how many variations there are rn...I just realized I cant trust those pugs, so having another emergency masssilence with IW in higher keys would be def something good 😂 thx

[novel star]

the main thing is honestly just outlaw sims are a fucking joke

[bright marten]

i see. i'll change the talent spec and check. and also knowing that about outlaw spec is also helpful. part of why i want to switch is because i have not been able to hit that outlaw sim number playing and i've been thinkin i'm crap

[novel star]

that spec is like the highest simming in the game and extremely underrepresented in actual content because outlul

[normal mist]

i don't play double vanish myself but i understand the reasoning behind your thoughts so yeah, you're better safe than sorry

[bright marten]

other part is i just got a 2nd regicide

[worldly sail]

outlaw sims? more like outlaw all sims and dps meters, force players to feelscraft to the top

[bright marten]

i literally just played outlaw 'cuz i like the rapier with my transmog. am i misunderstanding that outlaw sim is not generally attainable?

or is the message something else

[novel star]

yes, outlaw sims unattainably high

[bright marten]

honestly i just wanna carry my weight in my guild

i see ty

[novel star]

that spec has insane amounts of damage variance based on boss uptime

which is obviously 100% on a patchwerk sim

[brazen sluice]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[bright marten]

i guess the end result is that i'm still going to try assassin now, may as well. i will read the icyveins and wowhead guides. all i know right now is open with ambush, garrote, rupture ('till these are on all targets) mutilate envenom. going to have to redo everything.

[novel star]

ultimately you can play any of the specs and be perfectly fine and get the best dps out of just comfort from playing ur fav one

[bright marten]

do i change target to spread garrote or is it fine to repeat cast on primary target and let the talent hit 2 new targets or hows that work

sorry if that's dumb i know i'm asking a lot

[subtle tundra]

@spice spire need to somehow grow my wrists cause I feel like I'm softcapped by weak ass forearms

[novel star]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[novel star]

either one is fine

id recommend just slamming on one target so its easier

bleeds do mid damage anyway

[bright marten]

what would you say the most important things to perform are then?

[novel star]

ct/spatter uptime

[bright marten]

that is the aoe from mutilating?

[novel star]

ya

hit a mutilate every 10s and a ct every like 15 or whatever

[brazen sluice]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[novel star]

and then just jerk the envenom button off

aoe assassination learned gg

until your ruptures start falling off then its sketch

[brazen sluice]

for assass aoe sim we do Dslice? or 5t 5mins?

[novel star]

dslice

[brazen sluice]

kk ty

[subtle tundra]

You're just bad

Sorry to say!

[novel star]

i didnt mean its actually sketch

i meant for oversimplifying it down to 3 buttons

its "sketch" because you have to play the game

instead of hitting 3 fucking buttons

[subtle tundra]

Haha nice excuse

[novel star]

for 40 seconds

delete spatter

[subtle tundra]

Yesssss

[novel star]

varas dont u got a cot to do

[subtle tundra]

Yes I can't wait

[oak tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-joystick-funny-dog-xbox-funny-animals-gif-18411432

[chilly mist]

anyone has a plater script for color change on certain amount of amplifying poison stacks?

[oak tangle]

que?

[chilly mist]

or that could explain how to make this happen. Already have a script for color change on debuff, I just don't know how to make it for stacks

[oak tangle]

why though

[chilly mist]

for the envenom dmg buff?

[oak tangle]

but what are you planning to do with knowing that info

[chilly mist]

assuming no specific mob has to die after your prio target goes down

swap to that target

then when you get darkest night back again, you swap to new 20 stack amp target

and you just keep getting 35% envenoms in caustic

[oak tangle]

that sounds very scuffed

[acoustic kernel]

Hey - I'm brand new as an Assa rogue. When I look at this Rota, it says “4T” which means 4 targets, right?

But how do I get the combo points for the bleed, or am I misunderstanding something?
I've seen a text here on the discord that says that choke is cast intelligently, so you can keep your target and then just cast choke again on the current target. is the same true for bleed?

Thhis Rota is from Maxroll. Ty 🙂

[chilly mist]

I dont think so, but if you don't agree thats fine 🙂

[oak tangle]

constantly having to mutilate in an aoe situation to keep chaning your spatter target?

[worldly sail]

rupture gives combo points when you have serrated bone spike talented

so at the start of a pull you can use it twice in a row

[chilly mist]

I mean that is a trade off for sure, but its for 35% envenom. I think iit might be worth

so if you're like at 3-4 combo points, mutilate/fan of knives is pretty whatever

[oak tangle]

you are also not considering that you can't jsut keep spreading your mark

[chilly mist]

yeah it would be on every 4th envenom obviously

[oak tangle]

unless mobs are dying

[chilly mist]

or when targets die

yy

[oak tangle]

in which case you jsut mark the lowest hp

to get mark back again

basically, amplifying isn't the condition worth looking at

[spice spire]

Crank the hog brother

[chilly mist]

just my point, which of the 6 "low hp" targets would you target

which is where the script would be very useful

[oak tangle]

i mena they should all be 10 stacks of amp

[chilly mist]

well if you know that the target would live for 2 envenoms at 20 stacks, that target is infinitely better than any non 20-stack targets

[oak tangle]

infinite is not the word i'd use

[chilly mist]

but it would be useful

not sure why you're so set to disagree here, wasn't looking for a debate. Just needed help with the script

like I said if you don't agree thats fine

[oak tangle]

i don't and i respect your decision to still want it, but i'm jsut trying to point out it's not gonna benefit you as much as you think

[rare horizon]

there`s some content about ovinax trink? idk how to use it

[spice surge]

Keep it under 20 stacks

[rare horizon]

and i lock it before burst ?

[subtle tundra]

i guess you lock when you have to fuck up 20 stacks

[acoustic kernel]

but in the talent tree i got on this dc i dont skill in serrated bone spike

[subtle tundra]

i will to arcane

[spice spire]

In November? Miss me w that

[subtle tundra]

DONT CARE

MY PRAYERS WERE ANSWERED

[worldly sail]

then i would assume you follow the lower part where it says "no spike", but idk why it says to garrote again

im not a huge fan of these graphs

if its 4t everything should have garrote at that point

[worldly sail]

was supposed to reply to you with that above

[spice spire]

No spoilers wtf

[subtle tundra]

jayce x viktor sex?

cmon

you want that too

[spice spire]

No

But also no spoilers dude

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/355817874050383873/1309101070420807721/king-ghidorah-ghwednesday-shittygaming-lounge-v0-vqb4jcn7ez1e1.jpg?ex=6742fde1&is=6741ac61&hm=db63acd120d307d2e390f771249d26b3f8a1176dda6ebbb0ba341de1ded13c00&

[worldly sail]

[oak tangle]

cause with no spike garotte is 3 cp, and rupture doesn't give cp with no spike

[worldly sail]

yeah but if its 4 target then 2 garrotes is already everything garroted

[left abyss]

anyone know a good yt guide for playing sin? havent played it in like 4 years and struggling to get my head around it

[oak tangle]

3 cp is 3 cp

[worldly sail]

[royal lantern]

check Whispyr on YT, the guy here that does the TC/API stuff, he made a assa guide

[cobalt haven]

Just use Hekili

[royal lantern]

i want Advertisement money now whisp

[royal lantern]

stop trolling

[cobalt haven]

Stop gatekeeping

[grim jay]

yey I tuned it to hekili bs

[royal lantern]

what

[oak tangle]

but that opener is scuffed af looking

[grim jay]

hekili is garbage

[worldly sail]

avg maxroll opener

[oak tangle]

i guess it's trying to maximise iron wire uptime rofl

[worldly sail]

i think its trying to push everything into one but i dont understand it

[oak tangle]

when i look at the whoel thing, and it ends with a 3rd rupture instead of CT

[worldly sail]

like 4T seems like a conditional

[oak tangle]

i was like nah dwag

[grim jay]

holy mother of dwags

[oak tangle]

the only time that makes sense is if it's larger than 4T

but i'd still CT sooner

also doesn't even include ambush, so gg mark

[frail briar]

i am confused the guide says Crimson Tempest on 2+
and whispyr says on 3+ what is it in video

[oak tangle]

don't take the video as gospell, it's outdated

CT on 2, he writes the guide and it is more up to date

[frail briar]

oke thanks ill keep that in mind then

[royal grove]

is there any spreadsheet with defensive uses for m+, like the seasons before?

[digital gale]

guys, can u proc caustic spatter in the same fight on multiple targets by switching and mutilating each?

[subtle tundra]

DO not judge

[worldly sail]

no, it just changes target, can have only one spatter up

[digital gale]

aha, makes sense

ty

[acoustic kernel]

sorry for asking, where can i finde some good openers especially for the talents in this dc?

[royal lantern]

wowhead

[crimson zephyr]

guys guys I think my rogue is broken 😮

[grim jay]

fix him

[acoustic kernel]

so i should play the talents from this server, with the wow head rota? 😄 i just dont know, which talents the best for m+ 😄 i took the ones from here^^

[normal mist]

There are no best talents

we have so many good choices that its 500% situational / feelscraft

[acoustic kernel]

dps wise i mean. i know there are some differences between the dungeons, but baseline shhould be a "baseline-talenttree"?

[normal mist]

Also yeah the wowhead guide is updated

[acoustic kernel]

ty - i will 🙂

[dawn heath]

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boss shielded on 0% notlikethis

[mystic hollow]

Noooo

[vivid mulch]

Can you only have 2 embellishments?

[spice surge]

yes

[vivid mulch]

Dang

[vivid mulch]

what is this btw

[spice surge]

Vantus rune

[slow marsh]

Feelycraft is my speciality

Say less

[strange sleet]

guys it's been a couple weeks since last time I played. I just looked wowhead and looks like build is different. Is this one still acceptable or should I go for double vanish?

I'm kinda interested in ST dps since I feel it's lackluster as fuck

[whole snow]

how far behind is fatebound?

[static glacier]

for st, it's not. for multitarget a noticable amount.

[static glacier]

all our builds kinda suck for st

in m+

if you really don't care about aoe

there's builds that do more st but give up scent of blood

not reccomended though

[strange sleet]

It's not like I don't care. But I play with friends and I feel we struggle the most in bosses

[static glacier]

get used to it, if we did good st on bosses and the same aoe we do now we'd be enh 2.0 and get nerfed

[strange sleet]

Don't wanna drop too much overall anyways

[static glacier]

if you really just want more dps you can drop iron wire, highly don't reccomend it though

[strange sleet]

yeah I don't think so xD

[static glacier]

you can trade between these depending on high or low keys

it's just not worth having a missed cast kill a party member in an uncordinated pug vs 1-2% dps

but people running the highest keys do drop iron wire since their stops are all planned

[strange sleet]

Yeah makes sense, but my friends are noober than me

so I guess I'll keep it

[static glacier]

just run the standard hybrid build from the guide

[strange sleet]

for the moment

[static glacier]

and don't think about it too much

personally I really like double vanish

for qol

lets you use vanish with dm for st without giving up the chance to use it for restealths / ic

[strange sleet]

I was just thinking Master Assasin + Vanish o the stuff I have now (sanguine blades + 1 in supercharger)

[green rivet]

any one has mucslebrah clip?

[bleak sun]

Who?

[kindred hinge]

Master assassin is good with subterfuge. Double vanish is not necessary (meh in term of DPS but can in some niche case be interesting for utility)

[strange sleet]

Ohh I see, I respec'ed and It says 12 seconds in the tooltip

instead of 6

Makes it better than I though. Yesterday I did a Necrotik and Sanguine Blades was 5.1% of my dmg tho

Maybe I do drop Iron wire lol. I'm a DPS whore I guess.

[static glacier]

all im saying is that we generally have more than enough dps this season to time keys, the bottleneck is stops / survivability.

if it's just weeklies drop it, maybe you'll wipe 1/50 pulls bc of not having it but if you're having more fun for the other 49 pulls bc of doing a bit more dps

go for it

[strange sleet]

Yeah we do a lot of dps, but my friends are not that great. The necrotik was a 9 and I eeded with 1.56m (615ilvl), the second was my surv hunter 620ilvl with 1.01m, and third was 620 SP with 900k. The better of them is the prot paly, who plays acceptably good tbh and does a lot of kicks

I don't think we can time 10's with that dps 😦

Because of tyranical

IDK, maybe the best thing I can do is just to try 😛

[harsh ravine]

for dj like arakara, should I drop twist the knife for sudden demise ?

I tried it it felt nice, it did 6% of my overall

[grim jay]

there is nothing worth swapping anywhere except potentially IW

you just pick the build you like more and stick with it

[harsh ravine]

twist the knife mostly is a single target talent, right ?

[grim jay]

no

it offers prio damage aswell

[strange sleet]

Sudden Demise did only 1.3% of my dmg in the Necrotik. WTF feels trash for a last talent no?

[grim jay]

you do realize that the actually interesting part is the 10% bleed dmg tho

on anything thats 10+

[strange sleet]

Oh okok makes sense

[grim jay]

the execute is rather gimmicky on actual content

[slow marsh]

Pretty sure guides explicitly say that sudden demise is only really worth bothering with on overland /low keys

Or anything that you're killing mobs too quickly

[upper oak]

Ive been running with ttk over sudden demise and enjoy it a lot more.

[grim jay]

it says that for bleed build

not for sudden demise specificly

for sudden demise it specifically says that its worth in sustained aoe situations

the actual suggested hybrid build still takes sudden demise even

[static glacier]

you deffo can time 10s with that dps so long as you have no wipes

remember, overall is dictated by pull size and the size of pull you can keep controlled rather than raw skill of player

[slow marsh]

Yeah you're right I was reading the cleave build and doesn't seem like it's worth anyways

[raw dock]

hey guys, I have couple of questions about Sin Talent build on M+. I just reach lvl 80 yesterday, so I'm rly looking into rogue for the 1st time this season.

1. Is Serrated Bone Spike a full passive thing, or I need to play around this someway?
2. What I need to consider when choosing between Twist the knife and Sudden Demise?
3. Is Iron Wire 100% needed on M+ push? (Keys above 14)

[grim jay]

1. fully passive
2. whatever you feel like, its only a slight change in aoe(SD) vs prio/st(TTK)
3. nothing is needed, imo kinda troll to not take it tho

[iron valve]

1. It's fully passive, but it refunds CP after rupture so it does have gameplay impact (esp. in aoe)

[strange sleet]

Yeah I don't think that is happening hahaha. But yeah you are right. Maybe if we keep it "small" we can maybe time an easy 10.

Thanks a lot for the help bro

[stuck jacinth]

IMO troll not to take IW on NW, AK, SV maybe another? Vanish IW also unlocks the ability to do some more advanced pulls if you are in a coordinated group and saves mistakes from pugs.

[neat smelt]

Personally I only play IW in gb,sv and nw

[static glacier]

thing is if you pull 5-6 mobs every single pull all your overalls will be higher, add in no wipes on st encounters (bosses) and that's another 100-200k extra overall

10s were being timed day one of m+ by people in 606

with low overall

[strange sleet]

yeah yeah, it's because of skill issues in our part for sure

[static glacier]

you're getting stronger with every dungeon's crests

it will get easier

[strange sleet]

I mean, they are 620. Don't know how much stronger they can get hahaha

[stuck jacinth]

Ah yeah GB is a must

[static glacier]

there's people at 637-8

I take it back, 639

[strange sleet]

But in order to reach that ilvl you need mythic gear no?

[strange sleet]

Maybe if they craft every piece we can get 636 doing just 8's

[ancient tangle]

is there any point of tracking evoker Bombardments on nameplates ?

[static glacier]

nah, you could technically get it from vault

regardless 635+ is achievable without ever touching mythic

just craft what pieces you don't open at myth level from vault

[spark shore]

Should I still be using tea with death mark macro or not?

[strange sleet]

no

way

[thorn fjord]

!shiv

[strange sleet]

tea is at the end of kingsbane

[icy acorn]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[thorn fjord]

poo

[static glacier]

just use the shiv macro and forget about tea

[icy acorn]

playing around tea is ~ 0.2% or something

[spark shore]

Ok so take tea out of deathmark macro and use the shiv one instead right?

[icy acorn]

yes

[spark shore]

Ty

[strange sleet]

Be careful in ST with double shiv tho

you will use 2 charges per kingsbane with the macro

[icy acorn]

and the last charge will be used right after when your energy drops to 30
it really doesnt matter

[strange sleet]

I mean... if you have ODC it does

OCD

[iron valve]

zero cooldown?

[strange sleet]

xD

[static glacier]

that's completelyt acceptable

people are so stuck on the mastery component of tea that they forget that energy is more valuable earlier in KB

you'd rather have more mut / envs earlier in kb over more mastery at the end of kb

[strange sleet]

But it's not worth still I think. Only with 2mins CD

[static glacier]

you're wrong

consider ttk and how long it takes to reach high kb stacks

you tea on lone kingsbane's bc otherwise you'd run out of energy

very quickly

[strange sleet]

yeah but then you will only be able to use 1 per kb no?

2 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 1

instead of 2 - 1 - 2

with 2 min cd's

deathmark

[static glacier]

why do you think having 2 teas per deathmark matters|?

dm gives plenty of extra energy

[strange sleet]

Having two teas

per deathmark

i mean

[static glacier]

i can ping whispyr if you like, he will go on a rant

[strange sleet]

hahah

[static glacier]

honestly though, it really doesn't matter

the benefit from mastery portion of tea is bigger for dm

the benefit from the energy portion of tea matters for lone kbs

both are fine targets

and you get 1 tea minimum every dm regardless

[strange sleet]

So, 1 - 2 - 1?

would be better?

[static glacier]

IT DOESN'T MATTER

[strange sleet]

hahahhaa

IT DOES!

[static glacier]

the gain between perfect tea usage

[icy acorn]

just macro it to shiv and forget about tea ever existing

[static glacier]

and leaving it on passive / auto consuming

is 0.2%

do you understand how tiny that is

and you're discussing between two optimal use cases

[strange sleet]

I know Mo. But isn't that the point tho? To do things as best a you can?

[static glacier]

what you're discussing is within margin of error for the sim

optimise ur gar / rup uptime

your pooling

your melee swing uptime

being behind the boss

properly consuming DN asap

all these matter infinitely more than tea

[strange sleet]

Yeah yeah, there is a lot of things to improve. Wow it's about small things

I mean, hell. Assa is literally like 3 buttons

[static glacier]

every spec is 3 buttons if you really look into it

[strange sleet]

yes, that's what i always say

[static glacier]

genuinely though, macro tea to shiv or use it manually on end of every kb then the start of some others

it doesn't matter so long as you use tea during shiv

that's the sim's apl

[strange sleet]

Yes, and the recomendations is great for the case. The guy was new to rogue so it the best play, most DPS gained

I was just pointing out tho

BTW I was simming all this time and I found the build for my character

It's double vanish + master assasin + ttk

[novel star]

subtlety name colour

writing an essay about how many teas to use per burst

for a .02% damage difference

cinema

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[strange sleet]

Yeah i'm autistic sry

[novel star]

Based

but nah mo is right shit don’t matter

macro and go next

assassination is a spec for old people

[strange sleet]

I'm old so it's perfect 🙂

[novel star]

[icy acorn]

who are you calling old young man

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[azure owl]

do you guys know about a target dummy toy usable indoors?

[clever sapphire]

i have a turnip i seem to be able to summon everywhere

[azure owl]

I have turnip but it doesnt work indoors

[clever sapphire]

maybe i never tried at the correct place

[graceful solstice]

Love fool is usable indoors

Only purchasable during valentines event

Turnip/fish head require outdoors

[azure owl]

thanks

[manic sphinx]

Sorry, probably silly question. What's this buff in the WA pack from Afenar?

[coral ibex]

you're missing deathstalker's mark on your target

[manic sphinx]

I don't see it as a buff, so must be something for me as an opener

ooooh, interesting. Ok ty ty!

[coral ibex]

ambush from stealth

[dense talon]

What does envenom can overlap two times mean?

[manic sphinx]

Oh yep, ambush from stealth seems to be correct

Actually, no it's not

Yea, still not sure, lol

[flint star]

!wa