assassination

[uneven plume]

You have to accept the fact that sin pulling 1-1.2 on ST in m+

Nothing more

We ain’t enh Brodie

😦

[ornate wagon]

Ty guys 👍

What’s 6400 in % please mate?

[clever granite]

11

[ornate wagon]

Ty 👍👍

[cinder birch]

9.71% it what its telling me

6410 points

[runic hinge]

I have like a million haste. It doesn’t do shit

[cinder birch]

hehe

[runic hinge]

I was sitting at 24% with flask earlier this season and you still run dry. It’s just the spec.

[cinder birch]

yea, keep wondering if mastery flask would be best over the chemical one

[balmy condor]

no

cause you nerf your potion

[cinder birch]

nerf as in the mastery gives less points?

[balmy condor]

no like your potion

the 5 min pot

it gives stats based on the missing flasks secondaries

if you drink a mastery flask

your potion doesn't give mastery anymore

[cinder birch]

whaaat

did not know that, nice

[paper raptor]

didnt either...really like this channel

[humble verge]

well

if you read the tooltips :D

[cinder birch]

ok, so wont gain mastery then if the alchemical chaos is currently on the mastery part of the rotation

[slate crown]

Pretty sure alchemical chaos is not a tempered flask

Meaning you get all 4 when you use potion

[cinder birch]

k

[delicate magnet]

question: do you guys deathmark, THEN vanish to re-apply all Dots/bleeds, or should you vanish, apply garrote + rupture then deathmark -> shiv -> kingsbane

diff guides give diff answers and DM's own tooltip is confusing af... doesn't really clarifiy if it amplifies exiting bleeds/ poisons or those applied after the debuff is applied

[runic hinge]

It’s dynamic

It’ll duplicate any existing bleeds for their duration and also any new you apply

[delicate magnet]

oh, so you can double dip?

so to speak

[slate crown]

I don't know what you mean by double dip

[runic hinge]

Well no because your newly applied bleeds will overwrite the old ones

Basically 2 garrote and 2 ruptures for the duration of dm

[slate crown]

This isn't exactly how it works, but if it helps understand it you can think of it as "Any applied bleeds and poisons will strike twice when they deal damage"

(To that target)

[delicate magnet]

the way i'm doing it rn is: rupture/ garrote about to fall off (6s left), cast DM -> shiv -> thistle tea -> kingsbane -> vanish -> garrote -> garrote (apply on all targets) -> rupture -> rupture (apply on all targets) -> (cont) rotation

guides i'm reading are saying to vasnish THEN DM, that's why i'm confused

[brave comet]

question about how supercharge works, in raids when im fightin the boss and i have darkest night, should i fill up my CPs for envenom regardless if i have supercharged CPs or not?

[cobalt sphinx]

deathmark is single target only

it's a waste of globals to be doing IC aoe during dm

you want to KB and envenom

[brave comet]

well thats for when im priming it for envenom

[cobalt sphinx]

if you need your bleeds in aoe, set them up before deathmark

[cobalt sphinx]

i think it was simmed and there's not a large numerical gain from finishing on 7+3 versus 4+3 or whatever

or not a large numerical difference

[runic hinge]

It’s within margin

[delicate magnet]

ok o DM + KS is really only for ST and i should just prioritize envenom uptime

ok i think i get it

why those guides say to applty your aoe bleeds/ poisons before DM + KS

[ornate wagon]

Yo I’m watching other people play on YouTube and when there energy drops below 30 they don’t consume a thistle tea how are they doing this please?

[crimson zephyr]

do twilight warlock in GB enrage?

[runic hinge]

What guides

[balmy condor]

how old is the video

[ornate wagon]

16th October 24

[balmy condor]

yep that's before the patch

tea didn't auto proc

[ornate wagon]

That sucks 😩

[delicate magnet]

the wowhead one

[cobalt sphinx]

No the red dudes do, enforcers

[dim estuary]

Hello guys ! I have those trinkets currently, i just got mandate HM, any utility for it ?

[ornate wagon]

What talent build do you recommend please for m+ I’m using the icy veins one currently or is there a better one? Ty ♥️👍

[cobalt sphinx]

No your trinkets are way better, mandate is kind of a meme trinket. As far as i know it’s only really okay for single target (maybe), sniping the void emissary affix, or playing other specs like sub

[cinder birch]

woot, got my caustic splatter on top now 😄

[open marlin]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[winter glade]

Are we supposed to drop lethality for Supercharger 2/2 and Forced Induction for Single Target?

[balmy condor]

yes

[novel dragon]

does envenom damage splash with caustic splatter?

or is nature damage different than poison like it mentions in the tooltip

[balmy condor]

yes

it does

[cobalt sphinx]

SPLATTER

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

[cobalt sphinx]

lmfao i recognize it now

that's the amber heard cosplay pic from elon

really painful

[winter glade]

On Wowhead the Raid Council Spec talks about including CT but neither the import link or the image actually have it. Anyone have the actual talent spread?

[novel dragon]

yea it is lmfao

[balmy condor]

the raid "council" spec is a generic for council fights like in BRD

we had to add that because google reasons

silken COURT the fight you don't take CT

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah does council refer to sustained 3+ targets? which doesn't exist in nerubar palace

[balmy condor]

yeah kinda

[humble verge]

sitting here wondering if i should just craft a ring ;_;

[open marlin]

fuu's sheet correct that fatebound sims better in pure single target? or is that out of date?

[humble verge]

getting no luck on rings and trinkets

[ocean ore]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[balmy condor]

that's correct yes

[humble verge]

actually need to test this

hmm

[gentle eagle]

I've seen a lot of people using "Empowering Crystal of Anub'ikkaj" over "Ovi'nax's Mercurial Egg" even though the egg is simming better. can anyone give me a bit of insight into what I'm missing?

[humble verge]

slightly

like a 20k dps increase swapping to fatebound ST

[jaunty lotus]

for rash, is there some trick if you get the first set of webs or are you just fucked?

[humble verge]

well

you CAN try to like

be as close as possible

to dps

but else youre kinda fucked

ive been lucky enough to only get web on rasha like

3 times at the start

in all the kills and wipes we've had lol

sometimes i never get web at all

[jaunty lotus]

i generally only get the very first one

[humble verge]

unlucky

[jaunty lotus]

you pop mark and you get it

it's cancer

[humble verge]

hehehe yeah

[gentle eagle]

you can shadowstep after running out to minimize downtime

[hollow gazelle]

just stand in middle and say sorry guys deeps

[gentle eagle]

itll place you under its chin

[humble verge]

yeah but then youre also PROBABLY

killing half the raid

[jaunty lotus]

you can't do that without killing half the raid lol

[humble verge]

you even done mythic, bro?

xd

nah but i get that

that link is only on mythic iirc

[jaunty lotus]

it is

[hollow gazelle]

not really this season but hes a joke. the first four are almost heroic

[humble verge]

thats not something you wanna put half the raid in

[hollow gazelle]

or i do

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/hd-smirk-gif-7206957141966421326

[floral fractal]

why no gems on neck?

[humble verge]

youre blind

[spice spire]

Wat

[gentle eagle]

bumping this since im still curious.

[floral fractal]

just shows gems on rings

[spice spire]

You have to play around egg not crystal

[humble verge]

big secondary > small main

[floral fractal]

i use Skardyn's and Queens Mandate, it's fun

[gentle eagle]

So it's just a matter of moving more to have a better uptime?

[humble verge]

yes, those are gems

[spice spire]

?

[spice spire]

Yeah idk why it replied to you

I guess that’s what remix does

[floral fractal]

lol they got lost in the red background

[humble verge]

dawg is on another planet

eh

they arent that lost in the bg

imo

[floral fractal]

eh what?

lol ok bud

[spice spire]

I’m actually factually colorblind here it ain’t that

[humble verge]

no but like

you CAN see them pretty well here

[humble verge]

makes sense

[floral fractal]

maybe im sitting back in my chair and not studying your shit transmog

[spice spire]

Ye sux

Damn

[humble verge]

my tmog will always suck

https://www.wowhead.com/outfit=37752/orc-rogue ive tried to hunt for like any of these sets made

wait wrong

https://www.reddit.com/r/Transmogrification/comments/14sw6vi/uonlyr6s_requested_some_orc_rogue_ideas/

these

but im bored out of my mind farming tmog

[floral fractal]

that first one was hidious

[humble verge]

ye idk how i pulled that

[floral fractal]

i dont tmog, i think it's pointless imo

[slate crown]

Do you like seasoning your food?

[floral fractal]

i got the t2 set, Perditions Blade, some random dink for my OH and called it a day

[jaunty lotus]

you're a monster

[slate crown]

wait huh so you do like transmog

[jaunty lotus]

legit psycopathic behavior

I guess assassination is the right spec for you

[spice spire]

It’s literally in the name.
Homie loves cool ranch

[floral fractal]

i only got it cause i had t2 back in the day, before that i was rocking the tier gear. no tmog

let's go back to this

[humble verge]

puke

full

[floral fractal]

top tier right there

[jaunty lotus]

maybe he owns a ranch up in canada?

[blazing grove]

are there any particular rules for vanish if I play MA + Subterfuge

i tend to use vanish last 8 sec of KB

[merry bison]

[coral ibex]

oooo i should wear my t2 since im red team on court

[floral fractal]

Canada? i wish. unfortunately im stuck with the big orange cheetoh

no ranch, just a connoisseur

[cobalt sphinx]

Perdition and cht is cool

[humble verge]

no 13-14 keys to do :(

[grim vigil]

can anyone tell me how i sim the better flask to use for m+ / raid, im at 13k crit 15k mastery, wanna use crit but my stats weights dont really want crit atm either st or aoe

and i wanna know for sure if i just stick with chaos

[cobalt sphinx]

You can change it on raidbots or use the pin in tc channel

[coral ibex]

why would you not use chaos

[grim vigil]

well i am

trying to find out if agression is better 😄

[idle inlet]

where can I find a mouseover macro for tricks?

[hollow river]

There’s a macro/WA combo that automatically casts Tricks on the tank

[arctic tusk]

does anyone know if in p3 ansurek i have to swap to the adds

idk if spatter hits them

[hollow river]

!tott

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[hollow river]

^

[pallid whale]

can you feint kyveza dash?

[humble verge]

why wouldnt you be able to?

or im not sure tho

need to actually check the ability ingame

[woven shore]

kyveza pull Nr1.02

[humble verge]

i guess so

[harsh anchor]

yo does super cloak mitigate the yoink on queen

[humble verge]

have not tried, but i wouldnt like to try either

[mystic hollow]

Go check on LFR

Easy enough to figure out

[harsh anchor]

Best I can do is mid prog

[mystic hollow]

XD

I see you're in my guild

[woven shore]

dude why is Kyveza so hard X_X

[mystic hollow]

"I've been feely-crafting this new build"

[balmy condor]

no

[balmy condor]

should be playing elusiveness, so yes

[harsh anchor]

smh my head

[spice surge]

Without elusiveness you cannot feint the charge nor regicide

[humble verge]

true that

but hmm

cheat death on princess

[cerulean walrus]

Imagine playing cheat on that fight LOL

[humble verge]

idk about that

[spice surge]

Its fine

[humble verge]

theres so much damage going out

[arctic tusk]

@balmy condor @spice surge any chance u guys know

[spice surge]

You shouldnt need to

But idk depends how far they are

Im playing sub there anyway so

[static glacier]

not really, you should just hit ansurek, monks put ring down under her so the lil adds don't explode but you can aoe them

[spice spire]

@spice surge swap to this king

[cerulean walrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1146207476983812117/1308622926291013745/ezgif-3-549f5018b6.gif

[balmy condor]

probably will hit yeah

[spice surge]

You think that you could handle it?

[spice spire]

buddy it's cute that u think ur topping here

[cerulean walrus]

Quake coming hot out the gates

[static glacier]

thoughts on target for cds on 2nd platform? shield add is 1 hp so more zoldyck's value and is the real prio target but I feel like it doesn't live deathmark

[spice spire]

calling you out the gates

[static glacier]

also it's less stacked with the lil spiders than the movable tankable add

[cerulean walrus]

[balmy condor]

that's not how zoldyck works

but yeh idk

probably fine

[static glacier]

ain't it?

I was under the impression low hp shielded targets are affecked by zoldyck's

since the mob is technically below 35% of its max hp, just shielded

[balmy condor]

35% of 1 is 0 though

[hollow lily]

for me guardian was living longer so i was sending on him

[balmy condor]

shields are not health

they're shields

[spice surge]

Why would it matter that theyre shielded

[arctic tusk]

is this lookin correct

idk if im supposed to be doing way more on teh acolytes or not

[novel star]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[bronze pike]

[runic hinge]

Do they have 1 hp or do they have a normal amount but are shielded at 1 hp? I don’t know personally I just send so it dies fast.

[spice surge]

They are in execute range

[balmy condor]

aren't they 1/1

[hollow lily]

on logs they show as 0.0% hp

[spice surge]

Idk you can press execute as a warrior

So im assuming zoldyck works

[balmy condor]

okay so they did some jank to those adds then

that's not normal

[spice surge]

arent they just not at full hp

Just like the mobs in last phase start at 60% but have a shield

[balmy condor]

idk

I was under the impression they were just 1 hp max

[spice surge]

[static glacier]

It’s max hp is 1? Bruh idk why in my mind it’s not it’s max, I blame my frames showing shields weirdly

Ah nvm, just read above

[balmy condor]

if war execute works then zold works

but idk how that works

[runic hinge]

Hell yeah. Sending dm into that add is worth

[balmy condor]

yeh

[spice surge]

It typically just insta dies anyway

But ye

[static glacier]

Alright follow up q, assuming it won’t live all of DM + KB, what kinda opener we running? Can easily start with max cp cus of the spiders

[runic hinge]

I was doing it right

[static glacier]

Original question was if I should send into it or one of the other dudes, probably the non expeller since that one doesn’t teleport

[balmy condor]

you press dm shiv kb

and then just go

[static glacier]

Wouldn’t it be dm > kb > rup > mut > gar?

[balmy condor]

and then never shivving?

sounds awful

[static glacier]

Considering there’s a ton of aoe pad to be had

Sounds grief but ye im lowkey considering not shiving

It doesn’t last whole of dm atleast in one pull it lived like 10 globals

[balmy condor]

yolo I guess

sounds like nothing you do matters anyway

[static glacier]

I’ll have more chances to test different shit next raid, we’re consistently in p2

Shoulda seen p3 but eh gg

I wish deal fate was uncapped on FoK, would help fatebound be an option for aoe

[hollow lily]

imo best thing is to check your logs and see if guardian lives longer and if yes, send on him

[static glacier]

I know it lives longer

[peak saffron]

can we do anything to nullify the suck in on Ulgrax

[novel star]

mandate is fully scaled on them also i think

[static glacier]

Just no execute and it’s not the real prio t, but if the other one is flopping that quick

[novel star]

sprint and run away

[peak saffron]

:/

[novel star]

is enough ms to beat it

then just step when its done

[peak saffron]

yeah

[static glacier]

Sprint, other than being far and sprinting you can step others at range

[peak saffron]

i was hoping evasion or cloak

to parse better

[novel star]

nope

[peak saffron]

but guess it's just runaway

[static glacier]

We’re not DKs sadly

[novel star]

you could just barely not soak it

your rl wont notice

[static glacier]

💀

[novel star]

(dont fucking do this)

[static glacier]

On mythic it’s sketchy, any slower classes will feel it

[novel star]

send a void elf racial

[wheat tiger]

Is pooling still worth it for raid?

[novel star]

for 1 gcd on the boss

[novel star]

not really, pooling is fake

[static glacier]

Kinda, just play to max env uptime

[novel star]

the only "pooling" we do is waiting for last second of envenom buff before refreshing it

but you dont like pool pool anymore

[wheat tiger]

So like saving energy to prep for mark and king is not worth?

[novel star]

you dont need to save energy to prep for deathmark

[wheat tiger]

Ok

[novel star]

because deathmark doubles your bleeds which doubles your energy income

[wheat tiger]

I feel like I’m doing a good job on rotation but ever since the new patch I can’t get my ranks back up

Anyone feeling generous to look over a log and give some feedback?

[tardy terrace]

can u cloak kyveza orbs?

to make them not spawn

[balmy condor]

you can cloak the charge and it will make the orbs not spawn

[lethal arrow]

or beg your raid for bop

[coarse aurora]

With Deathmark, do I need to reapply my bleeds to get the 100% bonus increase? Or is it retroactively applied

[runic hinge]

It’s dynamic

[pallid whale]

ok ty

[shy marten]

this rogue is only 7 ilvls above me but his CT just does like 40k damage more per tick??

[coarse aurora]

Might have higher mastery than you, and also might just be applied to mare targets

[shy marten]

look at the ticks tho

we have very similar ticks and we were in the same dungeon

[coarse aurora]

Oh well his crit is much higher. That's probably the discrepency tbh

[shy marten]

oh right

[coarse aurora]

38-52% crit is a fair difference

[mild rock]

is caustic splatter based off mastery

[shy marten]

he also has like 60% more ticks of caustic spatter

sounds like i suck

i have a lot of trouble trying to do damage and utility at the same time

tryign to swap targets to kick/kidney whilst and trying to keep on my main target is a big issue for me

[coarse aurora]

Don't stress, we all suck at some point. The big thing is, you are looking at why you suck and trying to find a solution

[shy marten]

i click around to stop casts and then i spend 5s finding my original target

and im just not doing anything while i find him

[coarse aurora]

I would recommend a nameplate mod tbh. It was a gamechanger for me

[shy marten]

i have a plater that works fine

it's also the melee range kick that gets me im used to playing a dk kick

[coarse aurora]

This shows me which targets have which important buffs on at a glance

Easy to find my spatter/deathstalkers target

[shy marten]

yeah but fps drops + many mobs + dodging frontals and shit

[coarse aurora]

Spatter is green

I don't have nay fps drops with this tbh. Also you don't really need to know frontal info unless you're a tank. You should always be behind the mobs as a precaution

I have Quazii's plater so it shows those mobs coloured like normal, it just changes when I apply debuffs

[shy marten]

yeah but also when the mobs aren't so stacked sometimes i can't kick the thing i need to kick

[coarse aurora]

Could also do this, where it only colours the borders

[gloomy hinge]

Is queen on mythic very different from heroic?

Because i noticed on heroic even a toddler could do it in his sleep

[shy marten]

because im attacking my main target from behind and the kick target is out of range

that shit is so annoying

[coarse aurora]

Yea I mean that's just a melee problem tbh

[shy marten]

doesn't happen on DK with 12 yd kick

[coarse aurora]

I have the same issue on my sv hunter and my warrior

Dh too

[shy marten]

what do you do about it

[coarse aurora]

Just be aware of when the kick is coming by using something like a spell nameplate tracker, so you can get in position a few seconds before it starts the cast

[devout hazel]

whats the talent build with most damage

it is double vanish?

[mild rock]

whats ur guys crit and mastery and hast at?

with no buffs

[coral ibex]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[coral ibex]

doesn't matter

[slate crown]

don't know, no idea

[shy marten]

man the more i play assa i more i hate it

it's just so unfriendly to play

[blazing pumice]

doesn't sound like rogue is for you

outlaw is substantially worse

[west crown]

How so

It’s substantially easier than it used to be

[shy marten]

there are so many things

let me finish this dungeon and i'll tell you

[lean belfry]

so far the only thing i have had the most personal issue with is the dicotomy in energy between ST and AoE

I think generating more energy based on garrote/ruptures out is an interesting idea but the fact that that makes energy in ST sometimes feel really bad is kinda sad for me

other than that i havent found anything eggregiously "unfriendly"

[shy marten]

most of the time i feel like im fighting the game to play my character

[west crown]

It’s kind of just a balancing thing. I’d rather not spam my dot class but that’s personal preference I guess

[west crown]

It does this with poison too. There is just less targets so you notice it less

[lean belfry]

ah maybe I missed that part of the talent? I thought it was just rupture/garrote

or maybe I missed a talent entirely

[west crown]

Dashing scoundrel

Just don’t run it in m+

[lean belfry]

Ah that would be why I didnt see it. I tried to only famliarize myself with the talents i was taking from the recommended build so I didn't overload myself trying to figure everything out all at once lol

[restive falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/chill-guy-my-new-character-gif-2777893510283028272

[shy marten]

Damage:
 - Having to mutilate every 10s in AOE feels really bad, there are already a lot of plates being spun in AOE on top of all the 50 things the mobs are doing (kicks, stops, dodging swirlies, frontals, defensives)
 - pressing mutilate feels really bad since it doesn’t do very much damage
 - pressing fok in AOE and generating 1 combo point feels so incredibly bad
 - So many globals of damage set up before you actually start doing damage
 - Pressing fok env fok env etc in AOE feels really really good but the game keeps trying to interrupt me from doing this
 - Target swapping is so bad, having to put up new rupture and garrotes before caustic can even apply, so many globals to swap targets
 - DSM gets fucked by bosses jumping away all the time (Ingra, Mistcaller, Stitchflesh, Nalthor, Lockwood, Rashanan, Valiona)

Utility:
 - bro why doesn’t aoe blind work on the affix
 - tricks only give aggro on things you attack, if there’s a pack of 4 mobs and you attack it you can die because garrotte only hits 3 targets

Energy:
 - Feels a bit bad in single target when my rotation is to wait and press nothing
 - Thistle Tea auto activation is so annoying
 - Vial heals for shit and costs a global and 10 energy and 30s CD useless spell
 - Can’t live anything without feint, 25 energy is so much across a fight, at least it’s not on GCD

Stealth:
 - At the start of a pull, say there’s a caster being dragged around, I can’t garrote or kick it so it moves, I must press ambush as my first global out of stealth or I won’t have my mark out (only happens sometimes, but enough for it to be annoying).
 - Feels bad to not start in stealth (just a feels thing)
 - Mists maze mob spawning breaks stealth
 - Dispel affix breaks stealth
 - So many true sight mobs this season

Melee:
 - Melee range kick is so annoying to play against frontals
 - Kidney shot is so long CD and also on GCD + costs energy and CP and needs melee range
 - Garrote cleave sometimes doesn’t hit nearby mobs (not close enough)
 - Feels really bad to lose uptime in melee bc most damage comes from auto attacking between envenom casts, ie. when tanks move the mobs and you’re trying to catch up you are out of melee range.

the 2 main really really fun parts of dpsing on assa is pressing garrotes and ruptures out of stealth, and pressing fok env fok env fok env

[coral ibex]

ima be real bro most of that post is just skill issue

[novel star]

"having to mutilate every 10s feels bad" no it doesnt

not getting crits feels bad ok unlucky itd feel worse to have it be guaranteed cp

[humble cradle]

if I wait to pick an item from my vault and I start running 10's, will they still count for next weeks vault or do I need to pick soemthing from this weeks first?

[shy marten]

you dont need to pick things from vaults

[novel star]

"so many globals of setup" youre playing a dot spec

[shy marten]

you can have multiple weeks of vault to open at once

[humble cradle]

huh ok, never would have thought you could do that

how many weeks can you have saved up?

[shy marten]

you do need to take an item before you can open the next one

i've only saved up like 4 weeks at a time not sure if it stacks infinitely

[humble cradle]

not that i would likely do that just curious

ok. thanks

[novel star]

"why doesnt aoe blind work on the affix" it does

tricks complaint is insane

this entire post is insane

i feel like im losing my fucking mind reading this

[coral ibex]

fr this is all just skill issue

[novel star]

every point except like 2 of them is just dogshit

or opinions presented as fact

there are like 500 thousand million specs in this game

and most of the complaints in that post are just not liking the way this spec is designed

pick one you like better!

[shy marten]

i swear the aoe blind doesn't work on the affix

it only blinds 1 target

[novel star]

you have to blind a mob

not the orb

[shy marten]

???

that's exactly what i mean

by it doesn't owrk

there's not always a mob next to the orbs

[novel star]

unlucky

[shy marten]

i mean is that not just an annoyng thing

[gloomy heart]

hello friends

[slate crown]

To be fair it not working on the orbs is a quirk that should really work, imo

[novel star]

like it should

but you can also know how it works and still minimize the effects of it to the point where its not thatttt big of a deal

imo

[shy marten]

what i said what that i feel like it's unfriendly to play

like im fighting the game to play the game

there are some very fun parts to the gameplay loop but it feels like half the game is trying to prevent me from doing it

[still stone]

i finally killed princess POG

[novel star]

right

but from reading

it seems like a lot of what you percieve as the game preventing you from enjoying the gameplay loop

is actually just the gameplay loop

and youre in denial about it

like energy in single target

that will never change, and should never change

[shy marten]

i mean it feels bad but sure you can say that's how it's designed

[novel star]

the spec breaks if we have outlaw/sub energy

[shy marten]

sure take that off then

[novel star]

[shy marten]

in the grand scheme of my issues with this spec that's not really that important

[novel star]

kidney point is dumb cause it costing cp actually makes it a pretty interesting spell

[runic hinge]

Assa is a more complex spec than most in aoe and it sounds like you just don’t like it

[shy marten]

but does it have to also cost energy

and also be stuck as a melee range spell

[novel star]

why not

[shy marten]

can you not just give it 8yd

this shit is all "no can do because pvp"

[novel star]

you can also just strafe for 0.5s

or shadowstep

and stun something

isnt it cool to build cp and then step to some far away mob to kidney it or some shit

thats a cool piece of skill expression

it doesnt come up often but it existing is cool!

[shy marten]

i dont have a problem with it costing CP

i have a problem with it costing CP, energy, a global and needs melee range

half of that is just because otherwise it'd be op in pvp

and also they nerfed it from 20s to 30s because of pvp

[novel star]

ok but costing energy and costing cp is effectively the same thing

it makes you decide between damage and cc

on a more impactful level than just 1 gcd of a damage spell being replaced

[runic hinge]

In aoe you’re getting a ton of energy from bleeds anyways

[novel star]

also this lol

[runic hinge]

Kidney cost is negligible

[novel star]

when are you kidneying in a situation where energy matters

[lean belfry]

im sorry im trying to read this but like, thats a bad argument FOR it needing energy and cp "its the same thing" then why not make it cost more of one or the other if its the same thing

[coral ibex]

yea you'd only be kidneying in aoe where you have infinite energy anyway

[shy marten]

i just dont like it costs both, i just dont like it

[runic hinge]

Because almost everything rogues do costs energy and combo points. It’s a finisher.

You’re using combo points and energy to stun instead of damage

[novel star]

well why change it if theres nothing wrong with it and it fits with the way every other rogue spell is designed

[shy marten]

ok fine whatever

kidney is not that annoying anyway

it's just a small thing

[runic hinge]

Do you hate the envenom or rupture cost energy and combo points?

[shy marten]

no because they do damage

[lean belfry]

i dont think it should be changed, i just thing that is probably the weakest point thats been given about it. "Finishers cost CP and Energy, Kidney is a finisher and should match the same idea" is a great reason

[shy marten]

either way, its just a small little annoyance i have, and mostly with kidney it's that it's melee range

it has sort of the same issue as kick

[novel star]

i figured that just kinda went unspoken but yea

[coral ibex]

maybe you just dont like melee

[shy marten]

im not a fan of utility spells being melee range

[lean belfry]

it did, i was just pointing out that "they are the same thing" was a bad argument is all.

[runic hinge]

Guy is coming from DK apparently where ranged kick and stun for free should just be a thing

[novel star]

carnage not cleaving is a skill issue, you can position yourself to make it more consistent

thistle tea autoproc is really whatever it has basically 0 impact on ur dps

[coral ibex]

complaining about tea is just telling on yourself that you dont even remotely pay attention to your energy

[novel star]

feint energy i also think is interesting same as kidney etc, dont see why that should be changed, ogcd is enough

[shy marten]

i mean 12yd kick doesn't seem that insane to give to all melees?

[runic hinge]

It does

Actually

[shy marten]

not insane in terms of power, of course it's powerful

[coral ibex]

why stop at 12y

make it 50y

fuck it

[novel star]

"pressing fok env over and over again feels good but the game keeps trying to interrupt me from doing this" bro, you literally just dont like the spec idk what to tell you

[shy marten]

insane in terms of a qol change

[novel star]

you pick the buff/debuff maintenance spec

[runic hinge]

I think they should make dk have melee ranged kick

[novel star]

and then get upset that you have to maintain things

instead of just mashing buttons

[coral ibex]

calling a huge buff a "qol change" is wild

you really are a wow player

[novel star]

there are so so so many options in the game that just mash buttons why do you want sin to be the same

😭

[runic hinge]

Yeah bring back s1 DF sub

https://tenor.com/view/bongosub-sub-rogue-world-of-warcraft-rogue-aoe-gif-27554873

[novel star]

let me read more and get angry again

[shy marten]

sure but it wouldn't hurt to make the range a little bit bigger, that's all

[shy marten]

it's whatever but it's annoying, i want to press thistle tea

[runic hinge]

Actually it was bigger for some of df and then blizz nerfed it specifically because they want melee to be melee

[shy marten]

pressing thistle tea and gaining the energy to press a spell feels good

[coral ibex]

yea you could learn to play the spec instead of just slamming your buttons

[novel star]

i dont really recall ever having significant issues with carnage

[coral ibex]

and then you'd have tea charges when you want them

[novel star]

like sometimes it wont spread to something but my takeaway is i couldve done it better

instead of the game is wrong

lol

[shy marten]

not significant, just every so often enough to annoy me

[novel star]

something not happening exactly as you want it to happen just because you thought about it hard enough

isnt a problem

learn to execute things

[shy marten]

it's got more to do with being so squishy passively rather than feint as a problem

[novel star]

that is just a preference

i think its cool that rogue dies to a cold breeze

if you arent hitting defensive buttons

and then we are like the tankiest shit in the game if u do

thats fun!

its expressive

[shy marten]

do you think boomies love going bear form on every mechanic

cos that's what it feels like pressing feint

[runic hinge]

I don’t care what boomies think

Loser ass whiny bitch spec

[novel star]

i have heard more boomies say they like having bear as a defensive than i have those who whine about it

but i also dont really talk to boomies much other than like 2 friends

bear form is a pretty strong button!

lots of classes would love to have that

[shy marten]

well i mean bear form is quite interesting

it's when you have to press it for everything that it becomes annoying

[coral ibex]

so my raid's boomy deleted all their wow characters and their discord account after raid last night

[novel star]

dont play the content that requires you to optimize everything to its limits then

if youre pushing high keys you have to use every possible thing your class can use

and in any other content youre

fine?

this is how it should be

[shy marten]

but that's not my problem with it, it's the way in which you're optimising

the fact that you just sit in bear cos lmao i'll die if i dont

[novel star]

the way in which youre optimizing is just pressing a button that makes you tanky

[shy marten]

that just feels bad

[novel star]

which requires you to know when big damage is coming out

and is therefor further skill expression / knowledge checking

which is a good thing!!!!

wow is already so fucking easy

let the few things it has

remain

unscathed

needing to care is good

having to make hard decisions sometimes is good!

[shy marten]

i mean most boomies just go "oh i can line this great i'd rather do this than go bear form"

but then also "oh a mechanic is on me let me line repeatedly until it goes on someone else" is also a bit of an unfun way to optimise

it'd be worse if you couldn't line spells

but still

[novel star]

i mean

generally speaking

optimizing games is just not going to be immediately fun

thats not like how it works

[runic hinge]

Never sim only feel craft

Game much more fun

[novel star]

you choose to do things that are less instant dopamine

because you know theyre better and smarter and make things smoother

this is universally true

not just a wow thing

[shy marten]

that's fair

[novel star]

if you want to optimize a game to the limit you have brought it upon yourself

theres a point where the reward becomes about what you can accomplish by optimizing

and not what youre actually doing in the moment

[spice spire]

Y’all gonna kiss or?

[novel star]

Yeah

[spice spire]

Hell yeah

[novel star]

[spice spire]

Get the bag

[novel star]

but anyways

the shit about stealth and whatever is fair enough its kinda aids theres some clunkiness

but i heavily disagree with all the utility opinions

and resource stuff

[shy marten]

the utility ones??

ok sure the tricks one is a bit of a small thing

but that blind thing

definitely just should work on the affix

[limber lion]

[novel star]

blind could and should be different but ive never been upset about it

[limber lion]

It's true

[novel star]

other than 2 seconds when i learned how it works i was like wtf thats kinda cringe

and then i didnt think about it ever again except in a positive way

[shy marten]

it is kinda cringe

[novel star]

cause ill blind a boss and break orbs and be like man

thats cool that i know how that works

i bet a bunch of other rogues dont

[shy marten]

well i do too now

[novel star]

feels good to be rewarded for learning

[shy marten]

i guess

yeah but it's not something you would think you have to learn

or should work that way at all

[novel star]

fair

[limber lion]

Well it's a bit dumb to say that it suddenly solves all the problems and it works perfectly

[novel star]

but like kick/kidney/feint/ all that shit i mega disagree

[limber lion]

It's ultra cringe that it does not work on the orbs themselves

[lean belfry]

^

[limber lion]

Orbs spawning after a pack dies and you cannot do anything about it

[shy marten]

i think of those 3 my main issue is just kick not being ranged

[limber lion]

Orbs spawning while tank is gathering adds

[shy marten]

maybe im spoiled

[novel star]

doesnt solve all of them ofc but ive never found myself getting mad about it

[novel star]

very

[limber lion]

Orbs spawning while boss is moving

It's all massively cringe

[shy marten]

but every class i've played haven't had the melee requirement on kick

[limber lion]

Meanwhile Monk and Shaman clear them every single time without fail

[shy marten]

dk warlock shaman and priest doesn't have a kick so meh

[novel star]

i dont think ive ever played a key where i actually have to be responsible for orbs

its just a thing that sometimes comes up

and i can pog about it

then move on

[shy marten]

it's just one of the small things i remembered when i was writing this

just doesn't work how you'd expect

just annoying

[limber lion]

But when there are moments where someone fucks up or something and you're the only one who could save the day

[novel star]

yea

[limber lion]

You can't

Because of how it's designed

[novel star]

vanish for it

[limber lion]

Which is cringe

[novel star]

iron wire orb cleanse

without a trace value

[shy marten]

does that work

LMAO

oh wait it's a kick

[novel star]

yup

[shy marten]

that's pretty funny i like that

[novel star]

insanely bad to do

but technically possible

which is funny

[shy marten]

another thing

kcik is such a shit kick

DK kick is 12s CD, ranged and gives them resources

this kick is none of them

wtf

[novel star]

yes

[shy marten]

didn't kick use to lock out for 6s instead

as the bonus

[novel star]

dks have the best kick in the entire game

omega spoiled

just how it goes

main character class

[shy marten]

hey it's the first season they are good meta

since like 5 years

[novel star]

fair lmao

[shy marten]

i sorta liked that every kick had something special about them but now the rogue kick is just the baseline melee kick

that has nothing going for it

[novel star]

play feral

skull bash moment

[shy marten]

that moves you, good and bad

[lean belfry]

11.0.7 rogues get a talent that makes kick turn into punch if the successfully interrupt. Punch does some damage and interrupts

[shy marten]

HAHA

no that's actually hilarious

[shy marten]

surely you could make it generate 1 combo point too

i feel like that makes sense

[novel star]

off gcd 0 energy combo point builder

[shy marten]

hey you need to kick something for it

[lean belfry]

i feel like that would be interesting skill expression :)

[spice spire]

You know what is off the GCD

[shy marten]

also, is it not annoying when your mark disappears

because the boss jumps away

my goodness stitchwerk i hate it there

and valiona

[runic hinge]

My love for you

[novel star]

maybe, i dont like the idea of encouraging bad kicks tho

[shy marten]

the fucking dude just runs away with my mark riding the dragon

[glad osprey]

Is this real

if it’s not then I will say this is a very good incentive to make people kick lmfao

[lean belfry]

not real

i wish it was

[novel star]

yea deathstalkers mark is pretty shit

you just ct or pool if you get to 7cp accidentally i guess

[shy marten]

at least with some of these other bosses they retain the mark

[novel star]

[shy marten]

when they come back the mark is still on them

but for some unholy reason stitchwerk removes all his debuffs when he hops up

[lean belfry]

would be cool to give kick something to it other than it just interrupting something. Silence from priests having longer lockout, boomie solar beam, ret pal kick being slightly longer range still (atleast feels like it) ppal shield, dk kick being dk kick

feral charge kick

[shy marten]

isn't ret kick melee

they get a blessed hammer when they kick or something i think

[lean belfry]

idk ret is basically evoker range still but i coulda swore their kick stayed slightly longer range

it feels like it is

[novel star]

pretty sure ret has a normal melee kick also

[shy marten]

yeah

they get a crusader strike when they interrupt

[lean belfry]

I know prot gets blessed hammer from their kick, i think ret has a talent for that too

[shy marten]

but it's 15s CD melee range 3s lockout

[lean belfry]

but- yeah

its crusader strike instead of hammer

[shy marten]

so there's 3 basic melee kicks

oh i guess warrior too

[lean belfry]

i mean its rogue warrior and who else

monk?

[shy marten]

ret and monk have basic kicks

[lean belfry]

ret has the talent

[shy marten]

they both gets small bonuses

monk gets 5s off para and roll

[lean belfry]

i mean 5s off para is a better than nothing

I think having bonuses on kicks is a good thing. A little extra reason to kick other than not wanting to die goes a long way

[shy marten]

yeah but i mean kicks that aren't special in any way other than a talent that gives them a bit more damage

i think rogues used to have 6s then 5s lockout on the kick?

but now it's all 3s

i felt like 6s lockout was a good bonus for a kick

fuck pvp idc about them they can have their own tuning

oh surv has a basic melee kick as well

anyhow in general this season has felt like they should add an extra 2-3 range on everyone's melee spells

[main geyser]

can anyone speak on pooling for me? specific to M+. Most aoe packs my energy stays above 50%, but specific for bosses in M+ i tried pooling to stay above 50% energy and i do way less damage

[shy marten]

i always feel like i need to be balls deep inside a mob to hit it

[main geyser]

even without my bleeds or poisons falling off and keeping envenom buff up

[fast nacelle]

yo lads one question.. how many targets to cast crimson tempest during kb?

[shy marten]

@west crown anyhow that's my reasoning, and some discussion below

maybe rogue just aint for me

[novel star]

pooling doesnt exist

assuming youre talking about sanguine blades, you actually want to avoid it on bosses and stay under 50%

other than that (and that talent isnt in any recommended builds anymore afaik?) it just isnt really a thing

all you do to make energy a little smoother is wait until envenoms buff is in pandemic before you reapply it

traditional pooling does next to nothing for us currently

[hexed frost]

This screams skill issue at every point

Assa is a ramp spec, so what's the point about complaining about ramping?

[novel star]

and the cycle begins again

[hexed frost]

It's like outlaw complaining about having to maintain RtB or sub complaining about low damage outside dance

[novel star]

[jaunty lotus]

It's a ramp spec, people come expecting good accessibility

[shy marten]

hey look that's just my thoughts on the spec

[vapid terrace]

anyone kill broodtwister without a pile of DKs? our guild decided to go work on nexus cuz we have 1 DK

[novel star]

uhh

you can do it with just good knocks and cc order i think

but 2 bdks or at least 1 bdk and a vdh

makes it 100x better

[vapid terrace]

we were talking about it for awhile, and they are thinking its basically impossible with our group comp. and im not saying itll be easy, but it cant be "impossible", right? theres other forms of CC

[jaunty lotus]

Is he a tank at least?

[vapid terrace]

UH usually. our tanks are bear/pally

they are both gearing others, but mains that

[novel star]

its definitely not impossible without grips but it is unnecessarily annoying

[jaunty lotus]

You can make it work with 1 bdk and a vdh

[novel star]

like

you would probably have better luck pulling kyveza and forcing a tank to gear a bdk to like 610 or some easy shit

and then just doing it that way

[west crown]

It’s a spec that takes set up and patience to not spam out of energy too fast in single target. But once you get into high keys where mobs live a good bit. The ramp doesn’t feel that long at all

[novel star]

or even keep your 2 tanks and have a dps or something play blood to mass grip + taunt a spider and otherwise have no purpose

cause youre never gonna die to the enrage anyway

[shy marten]

did you read all the discussion after the post

it gives a lot more detail to each of the points some of the other people wanted to discuss

[west crown]

Yeah but I’m not reiterating “skill issue”

[balmy condor]

I am

Skill issue

[shy marten]

and im not denying some of them are skill issues either

im just saying it doesn't feel good to play to me

[west crown]

Paladin may be more your vibe

[novel star]

be nice man

[balmy condor]

Idk what we’re yappin about

[novel star]

Idk either i forgot

[balmy condor]

I just know that someone in here is skill issued

[shy marten]

OH

[novel star]

post that baited me earlier

[shy marten]

all the red names i got confused who's who

[jaunty lotus]

The one thing I agree there is deathstalker mark is annoying as hell on a lot of bosses

[balmy condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/825145612508463184/1023899571606278175/B194F80E-5804-436C-B397-1F19A5154ADA.gif

The post in question

[shy marten]

maybe the keys im in just aren't living long enough then i feel like im racing to get all my stuff out then oh look the mobs are dead

[novel star]

🤤

[west crown]

Yeah 8s are about when things get to live long enough for some gameplay

[gloomy heart]

hi

[novel star]

hello

[shy marten]

im doing 8-10s and they dont live very long

[jaunty lotus]

Your fun in dungeons lower than 12 is inversely proportional to how good the Ret is

[shy marten]

i also don't live very long

a lowly rat that dies to nearly everything that touches me

the puddles on the 2nd last boss of siege drops me to 2% without feint

[west crown]

Take elusiveness. If you think you could take a big hit, press feint

[shy marten]

i do have it i press feint a lot already

[jaunty lotus]

What key level are you doing for that sob? Never had any issues there

[shy marten]

i think a big part of the gameplay im annoyed at is the problem with targeting

[west crown]

Idk man I’m getting enough time to use Kingsbane in 10s

Hate to say it

[shy marten]

a +10 but im only 610 ilvl

[west crown]

But skill issue

[shy marten]

unfortunately i play with a boomy who adamantly does not want to let me funnel

[west crown]

Should farm 8s for gear and crests. You’ll feel better

[jaunty lotus]

That does 5M before any mitigations

On a 10

Do you have less than 5M health at 610 item level?

[shy marten]

yes lol

i think i have 510k

[jaunty lotus]

That is level 70 health numbers

[lean belfry]

surely you mean 5.1m

because uh

[jaunty lotus]

You probably have 5.1M

[lean belfry]

i think i have like 4.8 on my 600 aug

[shy marten]

ye typo

[rotund oak]

[jaunty lotus]

Not like it's relevant, you can't die in that fight unless it one shots you

[shy marten]

no i just brought it up to demonstrate how much of a piece of paper i feel if i dont press feint

[jaunty lotus]

Yeah, not pressing defensives is an issue, I stopped inviting pug mages due to that

[cyan karma]

Ive stumbled upon this add on “auto potion” 1 button macro that prioritises health stone, then CV, then health potion… good idea or nah? Originally I just wanted to bind health stones to CV cause I forget to use them 😬

[shy marten]

haha i have 4970k hp

610 ilvl

[bronze pike]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/900855182311706644/1001284187095052361/551.gif

[rotund oak]

even if u press feint u still are a piece of paper

[shy marten]

i must say i am spoiled, coming from dk

[rotund oak]

i do some keys on my mage,ive very much more spoiled tbh

[shy marten]

mages are so tanky lol

[rotund oak]

the most powerful class in the game

period and forever

no matter the expansion

[shy marten]

main character energy

[rotund oak]

we all support the mage

[shy marten]

u guys have all been very helpful but i do think after some consideration that perhaps rogue aint for me

[rotund oak]

if u want an advice from someone that plays rogue since the beginning,rogue becomes more fun the more u train and understand it

it can be extreme in good hands but its also very punishing.That being said,u need to play the class and invest time,its very hard but it will get better

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/cheese-challenge-cat-fall-off-table-taking-a-tumble-cheese-on-head-gif-14154057

[jaunty lotus]

I don't know if mage is more tanky than outlaw, at least on df that thing was unkillable

[shy marten]

i've only got like 3 days of playtime on my rogue but it just doesn't feel like im enjoying it as much as some of the other specs i've played

[vivid elbow]

is it worth to socket a stamina gem for the 0.15% crit dmg? asking because not certain if sim is activated for this.

[mortal shale]

Is it value to use a 613 void reapers instead of a 584 dagger?

[cobalt sphinx]

the weapon?

you are gonna have a tough time mutilating with a fist

[rotund oak]

even if u are a 200iq genius that can innovate and adapt extremely fast there is no way u can utilize even half the rogue's kit in 3 days

[mortal shale]

U need 2 daggers for muti? Oop 💀

[slate crown]

I think it's always important to give it time but at the end of the day rogue doesn't have to be for you . I encourage you to explore more and spend more time but if you ultimately decide to play another class I respect that decision. We'll still be here if you have more questions.

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah i think rogue is way more fun than my other characters

bdk, fdk, destro, demo

[novel star]

meanwhile me getting annoyed at 11.0.5 and wanting to play havoc but my guilds won’t let me

i don’t really want to play havoc that bad but i do want to do something other than infinite energy sin at least a little bit

[balmy condor]

Not even remotely, it’s barely worth using the blasphemite at all

[novel star]

nothing matters

[balmy condor]

That’s not true

Pressing kingsbane inside of deathmark matters

[novel star]

i’m gonna press inside of you babycakes

💞

[balmy condor]

I mean the shiv and the vanish and the tea around that don’t matter

But specifically the kingsbane inside of deathmark matters

So pog

[novel star]

it adds up

[slate crown]

I just use elusive for run speed

who cares about the crit dmg

[novel star]

who cares about either of them man

game is so beans

[slate crown]

[vast patio]

anything specific about it you don't care for?

[bronze pike]

https://imgur.com/rVP6glc

[balmy condor]

I’m the bear you’re the bowl

[quiet oar]

[balmy condor]

Jealous?

[quiet oar]

Scared

and Jealous

yes

[balmy condor]

Don’t be scared, I’ll be gentle

[quiet oar]

Just like Ansurek parrying you in a 270 degree?

[balmy condor]

I can’t even enjoy ansurek parries my guild is still trying to figure out how to spin in circles

[quiet oar]

Court is a shit fight

ngl

Especially when you have guild mates, that dont get waht the plan is

[balmy condor]

It doesn’t help that we’re famously bad at coordinated movement and time sensitive dispels

[quiet oar]

How many tries do you have?

[rare isle]

We shouldn't complain about court, we should instead be joyful that we are not at broodtwister

[novel star]

still praying so hard i get to skip progging court entirely

[bronze pike]

Hot

Eat me out

[runic hinge]

[ornate raptor]

That boss giving me nightmares

[loud hearth]

Am I the only one that really enjoyed Broodtwister?

Court is hell in comparison.

[royal lantern]

weird cat

[balmy condor]

185, best attempt 49% halfway into p2

[novel star]

[lean belfry]

we started brood prog this week and tbh im kind of enjoying it

way more than the rest of them so far

im usually a sludge enjoyer sso we will see how it stacks to kyveza

[royal lantern]

idk court is just kinda Shit

cant wait for it to be over

[novel star]

ovinax has a pretty fun pace when you get past the tech support

kyveza is an actually good boss tho

and court is just like not fun it seems?

idk i haven’t played it

[loud hearth]

I think Brood is a good fight, lots of aoe pad, no annoying downtime mechanics.

[lean belfry]

i just like pressing my buttons and doing big dam on many whelps

[royal lantern]

do you like fights where a mage pressing blink results in a wipe?

[novel star]

[royal lantern]

and you have to tell your braindead mages to not press blink and they still do it for 100pulls

:3

[lean belfry]

hey, if I could read i would be offended by that

[runic hinge]

hey i mean no one said mages were smart

[balmy condor]

Spoken like someone who hasn’t pulled court yet

Broodtwister is a dream compared to court

[runic hinge]

:3

[royal lantern]

im linked with a ranged dps

its hell

[lean belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-sign-cant-stop-me-no-one-can-stop-me-gif-13921932

[royal lantern]

legit hell

mf never moves unless its the very last second

[lean belfry]

me when im pinged to not do something

[balmy condor]

I’m linked with a prevoker

It’s fine

[bronze pike]

real

also mythic court is aids

[shy marten]

crazy that i play all 4 of those specs and every single one is more fun than assa lol

[bronze pike]

bloodtwister looks like a fun time compared to mythic court

[runic hinge]

Assa is the most fun spec tbh

[royal lantern]

my non biased opinion is

[bronze pike]

wrong

answer is ret

[royal lantern]

nah, assa kinda stinky

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sniff-gif-26264120

[west crown]

Ret is too easy to be fun

Not my opinion it’s just a fact

[runic hinge]

It's okay at first but gets boring fast

[wet wharf]

Ret is the most boring spec I have played in TWW this far 😮

Does a lot of damage tho

[novel star]

and yet somehow all the pug rets i meet find ways to lose dps

manifesting a skill ceiling that doesn’t exist and then failing to reach it

based

[cobalt sphinx]

do you guys lust a lieutenant in dawnbreezy or just anubikkaj

[kindred nimbus]

yo guys, what is the item/spell whatever before deathmark ? and what does it do ?

[cobalt sphinx]

that's skardyn's

[runic hinge]

trinket

[kindred nimbus]

ahhh okok, havent gotten it yet

weird that the image is different

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah that's the buff it gives

[lean belfry]

as we are pushing 13-14 we have started lusting the orb miniboss next to anub as soon as lust is up and then going back to wherever we were prior to that

[main geyser]

yeah thats what we do aswell in DB

[cobalt sphinx]

interesting, people are more scared of the orb one than the decay one? i feel like we drop more peopel to the decay one

or do you pull 3 + lieutenant and lust

[lean belfry]

the little pack under the overhand + lietenant and lust it

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah makes sense

[glad osprey]

What do your openers look like?

For ST

[novel star]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[west crown]

Check wowhead

[glad osprey]

I just have been following it pretty religiously but I find I still do less ST damage than paladins for example of lower ilvl than me

not sure what I’m doing wrong or if the guide is outdated

[novel star]

in m+ or raid

[glad osprey]

Raid

In m+ I am easily S tier I find

but raid i lag behind

[novel star]

hmm

[glad osprey]

It could be a trinket issue? Rn I’m stuck using skardyn’s and void reape’s contract , is replacing the contract with the spyglass really a major dps boost ?

[novel star]

i mean ret and sin are pretty closely tuned while ret is significantly harder to make mistakes on

[glad osprey]

I also don’t know if I should use skard or transmitter

I have them both

and ik people will tell me to sim but transmitter sims better but doesn’t feel better in game

[novel star]

if you don’t like using transmitter then don’t

it’s hard and awkward and the damage difference isn’t that huge

[glad osprey]

I feel like I’m just missing something major in rotation

But I’m not sure what

wow analyzer sucks

says I waste 2% energy and had 0 wasted casts which I personally think is bullshit but it’s not giving me anything

[novel star]

can just drop a log link in here whenever chat is active

and ask ppl to look at it

i would but mobile wcl is a disaster

[obsidian galleon]

Does the aniversary tokens or anything get reset when doing faction change? or do i still have my progress in the new expantion

[novel star]

should keep everything

other currencies don’t get reset, idk why the anniversary one would

[subtle tundra]

crazy that its a very subjective thing