assassination

[clever sapphire]

twist the knife

[winged gust]

hey people are saying theres a trinket thats godly for rogue in operation mechagon? does anyone know the name of it?

[midnight scroll]

nice, good to hear vault does treat someone well, got hc Skardyn's Grace from the vault after only doing GB for the whole week, didn't see it once

[quasi coyote]

damn coulda been mythic rip

yea skardyns took me quite a few runs

[quiet oar]

Im not good enough to get pi

[quasi coyote]

loot pool in that forsaken place is just massive

[midnight scroll]

yea well i struggle getting into +8 groups for whatever reason, a +10 is only possible with guildies, better than nothing tho 😄

[clever sapphire]

whats your ilvl/rio? i can tell you by that why you struggle

[midnight scroll]

624, 2361

[clever sapphire]

how much gold you got

[shy marten]

+10s are not a safe place for my young little 610 rogue

[clever sapphire]

aye thats not enough, im 632 2.9 and im still queueing for like 10 minutes for weekly 10s

[quiet oar]

Just have so much gear you dont need weekly 10s anymore

[midnight scroll]

brother that HAS to be enough

[clever sapphire]

people are really picky

no idea why

[quiet oar]

Idk

[quasi coyote]

i was doin 10's on a 580 pali shit was cake

[shy marten]

Run your own key

[quiet oar]

with 638 i get insta invites

[clever sapphire]

i mean my rio is all 12s done

[quiet oar]

[midnight scroll]

no drums i guess, we're barely have utility anyway

[quasi coyote]

this guy is ilvl cap

[clever sapphire]

my utility is killing mobs before they can do stuff

problem solved

[quiet oar]

Only Upgrade left

[clever sapphire]

[quiet oar]

is Queen ring on mythic

[shy marten]

Didn’t rogue used to have a crazy amount of utility in m+

[midnight scroll]

tell that to the 2000 rio person declining me everyday

[glad osprey]

Even 610 is enough for 10s

[quasi coyote]

imagine mythic raiding.........

[royal lantern]

eh, not really?

[glad osprey]

I’m just starting to get into this

[clever sapphire]

this guy is gonna have a sad season ahead of him, no more weekly vault cope because he doesnt need any items from there

[quiet oar]

@royal lantern My Gearing Brother

[clever sapphire]

atleast i still get my weekly dissappointment for a few more weeks

[shy marten]

1 person 610 is easy, 5 people all 610 and this is becoming wf key level difficulty

[quiet oar]

What ilvl are you

[glad osprey]

You could still do it

[quiet oar]

this week was the first time i took Sockets

[glad osprey]

what do you think people did 3-4 weeks ago

[shy marten]

Not easily but doable for sure

[midnight scroll]

i race changed to dracthyr for the mastery and now i can finally help with little spiders on queen phase 3 😄

[quiet oar]

and i need 1 more

[midnight scroll]

thats about it

[royal lantern]

like, shroud was kinda mandatory, which somehow turned into OMG ROGUE UTILITY SO STRONG, which was always a bit weird

hell, they had to make AoE blind because rogue was falling behind a good chunk for interupts lol

[shy marten]

It’s been like 10 weeks since week 1 💀

[clever sapphire]

i already took twice and im 6 ilvl behind you, this game aint fair

[quasi coyote]

bro can only take sockets

[glad osprey]

I don’t think people were doing 10s week one

but now a lot of people have 630+ ilvl

[shy marten]

They were doing 11s week 1 no?

[quiet oar]

Well i saved crests due to Rare neck and Cloak

[royal lantern]

636,5

cant get a mythic shoulder

[quiet oar]

[shy marten]

Around 605-609 ilvl doing 11s

[midnight scroll]

and blind stops working after the mobs take damage so it's shit still

[quiet oar]

Could buy the BoE ones

if you ahve spare gold

[clever sapphire]

even i did a few 10s week one, and im by no means a top player

[royal lantern]

huh?

you use it to interupt casts, why is it bad lol

[glad osprey]

honestly join a guild I’m sure a couple will carry you through 10s as a ilvl 610 minimum

just don’t be like me and switch guilds every 2 weeks because some man said something mean to you

LOL

[shy marten]

Sap tricks distract are really good too no?

[quasi coyote]

aoe blind as our only aoe stop is kinda rough but iron wire makes up for it i'd say

[shy marten]

And gouge got removed

[royal lantern]

i could

but thats not worth 1mullion gold for me

[shy marten]

And kidney shot cd increased

[rotund oak]

How does that make sense my man

[clever sapphire]

i do that every season

[quiet oar]

Yeah

[shy marten]

Rogue seemed to have a lot more ST stops previously

[royal lantern]

tricks is ussules

lol sap

lol distract

[midnight scroll]

doesn't it work like kidney shot where after the effect stops the mobs just cast again?

[glad osprey]

literally my last guild was sexist asf so I left

I was tired of the im a woman jokes

[shy marten]

I mean they are things other specs can’t really do

[quiet oar]

[royal lantern]

shout out to red cross gaming, suck a dick you assholes 0/

[glad osprey]

It’s been 2 guilds so far and both were like that

[midnight scroll]

well if i could choose i would love to see blind work with the orb affix

[glad osprey]

I’m looking for a new guild that’s at least 4/8M

[clever sapphire]

if you blind towards the end of the cast you now have 2 extra seconds to kick/stun the mobs as a followup

[quasi coyote]

lol yea id imagine ur gonna have a hard time finding ppl who dont crack jokes like that

[glad osprey]

I have hope

[royal lantern]

???

hunter has misdirect aswell (and its also ussules on them)

sap is a generic out of combat cc that almost every single class has

distract is distract lol

[midnight scroll]

true that but at that point someone else has already kicked the mob

[glad osprey]

I just need to find one with actual girls in it like me

I can’t be the only one again

no more

[shy marten]

Ok hold up, how does “every class” have a sap

[quiet oar]

Green Flag if there is already 2 or more girls

[glad osprey]

Yeah

[clever sapphire]

i also sometimes use it to redirect stuff, like when i see 3 casts going at the same guy i blind so now the casts are hopefully spread out

[quiet oar]

if there is none

[glad osprey]

It’s actually dumb tho like

[shy marten]

Dh has a sap

[quiet oar]

DMs will overflow

[shy marten]

That’s it

[glad osprey]

I’ve never had this many issues before

[royal lantern]

dh imprission, warlock banish, shaman hex, mage polymorph, evoker dream walk, paladin repentance?

[midnight scroll]

ok fair enough,

[glad osprey]

But I’ve also never been interested in mythics but now I am

[quiet oar]

The thing is

[shy marten]

You do realise all except dh imprison and evoker dream walk puts you in combat when you get close

Unlike sap

[glad osprey]

the more hardcore you get it seems like there’s more weird misogyny

Someone needs to study these men

[royal lantern]

our DH and druid Maintank are Women, and the guild is chill as fuck lol

funny how that works

[quiet oar]

Idk, i think also depends on WR i think

I think guilds with 4/8 are casual guilds

[glad osprey]

5 mins into joining my last guild the gm was like “No offence but I was expecting you to be really bad because you’re a woman” and I should’ve left then and there

[royal lantern]

when was the last time the "can get closer" part ever mattered lol, Cataclysm?

and dh has that aswell btw

[quasi coyote]

its wow.... not exactly the upper echelon of character

[glad osprey]

I have to start somewhere ;_;

[quiet oar]

Yeah

[midnight scroll]

somebody needs to study people with lower rio than me declining me for +8s like i'm a freshly leveled resto druid

[subtle tundra]

basically many times

[clever sapphire]

4/8M is kinda doable by just pugging at this point afaik

[glad osprey]

I’m 4/8 now so it makes sense to look for 4/8 since I can work my way up

[quiet oar]

Casuals are the most toxic players

[shy marten]

Many times what

[rotund oak]

yes it doesnt work as a ''aoe'' stop for orbs,either a bug or intended still doesnt say much.Blind is still massive,it stops entire packs,its like DB for fire mage with a longer duration if left unbroken

[glad osprey]

You can’t pug mythics the damn lockout

[subtle tundra]

skipping mobs with Sap like abilities is a common thing

[shy marten]

And yes dh has it

Just dh

[glad osprey]

Reliably

[shy marten]

Not every class

[glad osprey]

Dumbies will keep wiping on easy boss and then there goes your week

[shy marten]

Mages need to use invis after poly

[quiet oar]

Like on Classic those Casual Andys kick people because low DPS or doing smth worng

like ???

[shy marten]

Monks need to ring and para and can’t take soothe

That’s sorta it

[dull matrix]

hunter can trap and then feign

[glad osprey]

Idk I had more luck with just heroic guilds

[shy marten]

Priests can only do it to humanoids

[glad osprey]

they were nice

but I also am just bored of heroic

It’s gotten too easy

[shy marten]

Yeah hunters do have to fd

[quiet oar]

I mean those are no compettive guilds

[midnight scroll]

well if it's intended that sucks, if it's a bug, they're not fixing it 😄 so i gotta get creative with my blinds

[royal lantern]

yes, its about sap being "ultra super special utility" which is kinda weird as a "rogue utility is insane" part

[shy marten]

We’ve only named 5 classes here

[glad osprey]

the second I look for the early mythics I get this shit

[shy marten]

That’s 5 of the 13 classes present in the game

How is that every class can sap skip

[royal lantern]

you are in a 5man group

[midnight scroll]

why don't they just add drums man

[rotund oak]

well its up to user clearly but idk,u will always blind those mist maze packs,or the worms b4 last boss while going downhill

[royal lantern]

not in a 1man group lol

[rotund oak]

its what it is

[dull matrix]

If sap didn't exist, rogues could still pull and vanish for skip too so not that mega utility imo

[glad osprey]

rogue utility sucks , that’s where I stand

[shy marten]

That’s still not every class bro

[glad osprey]

we don’t have lust, brez, stones, or literally anything , we don’t even have a raid buff

[shy marten]

I mean, it could be worse

You could be a warrior

[glad osprey]

warriors have raid buff

so you at least need to have a warrior in your comp

[royal lantern]

the guys with a strong raidbuff and commanding shout?

[shy marten]

Atrophic doesn’t count?

Crippling doesn’t count?

[royal lantern]

atrophic is shit lol

doesnt work on half the stuff in the game

CRIPPLING LOL

[glad osprey]

yeah

[royal lantern]

are you serious rn

[midnight scroll]

i'm still mastering the class tbh, i just wish someone were in my group telling me how i can improve with that kind of stuff, like a random paladin telling me i can vanish/cloak the GB Corruption before the last boss in higher keys because the dmg gets crazy

[royal lantern]

fucking crippling

[arctic tusk]

what makes tricks useless just curious

[glad osprey]

our non damage poisons suck in pve

[runic hinge]

Wish someone would garrote me

[glad osprey]

you don’t need a rogue in raid comp

like we aren’t necessary

[runic hinge]

We don’t actually generate a ton of threat off the start

[shy marten]

I mean not having a slow and having crippling makes a pretty big difference id say

[glad osprey]

you need a warrior

[subtle tundra]

it has crippled the group more than the enemies tbh

[shy marten]

Are we not talking about m+

[subtle tundra]

but i cant unspec it, its dps

[glad osprey]

even in m+ , our only utility really is shroud but most enemies have true sight now

which makes it kinda useless

[shy marten]

That is pretty cringe I do agree

There isn’t much shroud skipping anymore which I’m quite happy about

[quiet oar]

Its weird tbh

[shy marten]

I don’t think it’s healthy for the majority of the playerbase that pug

[glad osprey]

even warlocks do better skips than us

[midnight scroll]

the only time i've ever used shroud or seen it be used is before the first boss in COT, but you gotta hug the wall anyway

[subtle tundra]

my utility is being a nice person

[shy marten]

That’s not true rogues can do nearly every skip a warlock can no?

[glad osprey]

I mean I’ve shrouded in siege a few times

[glad osprey]

No

[shy marten]

You can shroud siege

[glad osprey]

Warlocks can portal across walls sometimes

Or onto terrain you can’t access otherwise

It’s kinda insane

[shy marten]

I guess there are some wall and z axis shit with gateway

Yeah

[glad osprey]

Yeah

[subtle tundra]

ive shrouded stonevault, nw, city

[royal lantern]

well

dps threat generation is very low, a tank using just a single dmg ability generates normaly more threat then you would do in 10+ seconds

assa aoe dmg is kinda delayed, by the time the burst happens the tank has enough aggro to not lose it ever again

subs main burst ability literally doesnt generate threat (secret tech)

outlaw has no big burst, so it doesnt generate much in the first place

like, unless you start hitting stuff the same second the tank sneezed on enemys and tried to group them up OR do some esoteric "i pull e emys for the group" stuff (which nobody except maybe Varas here does), its not really doing anything

[shy marten]

But warlock is warlock and their utility is either doesn’t work or impossible without it

[rotund oak]

Rogue doesnt have a raid cd or buff,it has tricks,shroud,multiple stops,aoe silence(repeatable,that is criminally OP)+dmg mitigation and perma slow + atsp red with poisons.Has vanish and the ability to stun for 8 seconds.Can survive almost anything with cheat death.Your turn

[royal lantern]

crippling is placed for lethal dose, the slow does fuckall cus enemys are slowed anyway

lmao

[glad osprey]

warlocks have stones which is super useful it’s like a second health pot

[shy marten]

Not in my keys sometimes there’s no slow

[glad osprey]

and brez

[shy marten]

Yes the 2.4s cast time bres

[midnight scroll]

who uses tricks as sin?

[shy marten]

I’m sure the warlocks love that spell

[glad osprey]

at least they have something

[rotund oak]

those that help tanks gather stuff they might die from,or kill their group in the process

[shy marten]

That’s true

[glad osprey]

how long is the jump cables

like 4 seconds ???

and cost like 2k gold a piece or something dumb

[shy marten]

I feel like the Cd increase on kidney is pretty sad

[midnight scroll]

i'd like to apologize to my tanks then because i use blackjack xD

[glad osprey]

idk jump cables feel like forever to me LOL

The range is also horrid

[shy marten]

I think it’s 2/3/4s depending on the quality

[glad osprey]

You have to be standing like directly on them

[shy marten]

Yeah

[rotund oak]

its a choice,its also good.But that doesnt cancel tot strength when used correctly

tot was stupid storng with snipe tech

for many seasons

[glad osprey]

that’s one thing I wish I had as a rogue like more utility

[shy marten]

Warlock bres is also no cost and ranged and can be precast with no side effects

[rotund oak]

and u boys say tot sucks

u are rly unaware of how powerful rogue is

[glad osprey]

I feel like that’s why we often don’t get invited to groups

[royal lantern]

yeha no, sap is cooking some weird stuff there lol

unless you literally blow all cds the milisecond the tank pulled some far away pack on that specific group, it doesnt do anything really

like, bruh

[glad osprey]

I’m not saying our dps is bad

[shy marten]

Assa dps is so good

[rotund oak]

our utility sucked

now its the dps

doom fest

time to go

[shy marten]

Idk utility is fine

I think it could be worse for sure

[royal lantern]

its allright ye

not insane, not weak

[shy marten]

It got nerfed from previous iterations

[glad osprey]

wut you said they’re powerful and I’m saying their utility is kind of meh but that doesn’t mean they aren’t strong

[midnight scroll]

but why are people so picky then when it comes to m+

[shy marten]

And other people have slowly been buffed in utility through the patches

[glad osprey]

too many applicants

[royal lantern]

m+ andys are the dumbest fucks on the planet, thats why

[midnight scroll]

true

[glad osprey]

rogues are kind of like roaches it’s funny

one thing I like about this class is I find myself surviving anything

[shy marten]

That’s so untrue

[royal lantern]

ever played dk

[glad osprey]

I’ll just be like the last person alive in a raid or whatever

[royal lantern]

🙂

[glad osprey]

no LOL

are they similar ?

[royal lantern]

20% passive dr btw

[shy marten]

I mean like people want the best chance to succeed

[glad osprey]

Jesus

[shy marten]

Dks actually cannot die

[royal lantern]

20% dr again when younare bellow 30% hp btw

[shy marten]

You can be completely stupid and live everything

[royal lantern]

for doing Nothing at all

[shy marten]

???

[royal lantern]

just passive

[shy marten]

That’s a lie

It’s actually 35%

🙂

[glad osprey]

I love cloak of shadows too

[royal lantern]

will of the necropolis

oh

lmal

[shy marten]

HAHA

[royal lantern]

well AMS

aka cloak on 45sec cd

[midnight scroll]

again, depends on the ilvl and rio and skill and stuff, but sometimes i feel like i need to sign a contract with Liquid to do a +8 for crests

[royal lantern]

that also gives resources

[shy marten]

Ams is better than cloak in nearly every situation

[glad osprey]

what’s AMS

[midnight scroll]

anti magic shell

[shy marten]

The green shield

From dks

[glad osprey]

Oh right ik what you mean

[shy marten]

Cloak is better if you suck at using it

Compared to ams

[glad osprey]

I should try a DK sometime , I’ve never played DK

[shy marten]

A big part of ams’ power is precasting it

[midnight scroll]

i cannot tell you how much i love cloak

[shy marten]

I’m surprised how short cloak lasts for

[rotund oak]

cloak is probably the most broken spell in the game

its extreme

[shy marten]

It really isn’t

[rotund oak]

every POV

[glad osprey]

so many characters I wanna try but so little time to dedicate more than 1-2 characters gaaaahh

[shy marten]

Cloak in pve is just not that amazing

It’s a 2min cd that only lasts 5s and only against magic

[glad osprey]

I love cloak but I wish it was more like 45s

[rotund oak]

pve isnt that amazing and u cant rly do crazy stuff with it.Its just an immunity

[subtle tundra]

yea cause of immunity + cheat death
which arent as relevant for m+

[shy marten]

It’s one of the really good ones but there are some insane things

[royal lantern]

now imagine if elusivness feint was active just all the time

and cloak has 45sec cd + gives resources

and when you drop bellow 35% hp you just get another 20% dr

while also having a no cd 50-60% hp heal

thats DK 🙂

[rotund oak]

the general use of cloak as a spell transends pve though

[shy marten]

Ok hold up

Dks don’t get that much

20% passive dr is a lie

[royal lantern]

~17-18% magic dr iirc

let me exegerate and shit on dks ok

[glad osprey]

I really love feint too tho

[quiet oar]

and have a 50% DR on 2 minutes

[shy marten]

It’s more like 30-35% passive dk discounting wotn

Woah let’s not pretend shields are DRs

[quiet oar]

My DK in raid survived 6 puddles of Ovinax at ones with IBF up

SIX

I die at 2

[glad osprey]

Sounds like they need a nerf

[shy marten]

Don’t let them know about death strike

[glad osprey]

LOL

[shy marten]

Shhh

Also don’t let them know about permafrost

[royal lantern]

nah, its good but far from "most broken" espacially when stuff like AMS/mirror images/the iceblock replacement/alter time/dark pact exist

[shy marten]

It’s definitely fair to have up to a 20% max hp shield every now and then for 1 shot mechanics

[glad osprey]

rogue is the most fun class I’ve played in a while tho idk why it’s not more popular

[shy marten]

Alter is not that good even if you use it well

[quiet oar]

Them pressing Deathstrike +40% HP thats a global and some Runic Power
We pressing Vial GCD + Energy for 20% over 4 Seconds

[shy marten]

It’s strong but I wouldn’t call it one of the strongest

[icy acorn]

isnt dk like stuck in a wheelchair mobility wise

[shy marten]

Ok death strike doesn’t heal that much

[glad osprey]

it feels good other than deathstalkers mark

[quiet oar]

Depends on how much Dmg you took no?

[glad osprey]

deathstalkers mark needs some fixing LOL

[quiet oar]

or is this only blood

[shy marten]

If death strike healed for 40% of my hp I would be dead

[shy marten]

It is

[royal lantern]

well yeah

wow has a insane deffensive creep

rogue was for a very long time the #1-#2 class in that regard, but blizz giga buffed so many other deffensive tools for other classes that rogue is actually kinda mid at this point deffensive wise lol

[glad osprey]

I know nothing about DK

[shy marten]

But it’s 40% of the damage taken

[royal lantern]

like, rogue is a class that needs externals to survive mechanics in high keys

[shy marten]

If I heal 40% of my hp I have taken 100% of my hp in damage

[midnight scroll]

yes! i've had a hard time getting interested in a different class strictly because of this

[quiet oar]

but its still better than vial

which has a 30 second cd

btw

[glad osprey]

Try feral druid

[shy marten]

But of course you can get healed and stuff so it counts higher yada yada

[quiet oar]

and gets reduced by symbols of hop

[midnight scroll]

been thinking about that

[balmy condor]

Hot take, I think if we had legion encounter design we would be op defensively

[quiet oar]

ye

[shy marten]

Vial is an abomination of a spell holy moly

[royal lantern]

tomb of soakgeras

[glad osprey]

I don’t like how vial doesn’t heal immediately

[balmy condor]

Feint worked on fucking EVERYTHING in legion it was insane

[shy marten]

Vial is just so bad

[subtle tundra]

and didnt have a cd

[midnight scroll]

yea you have to use vial whenever it's up basically

[glad osprey]

I feel like vial should just heal right away

[shy marten]

I feel like a lot of these issues we’re discussing has to do with P P

PvP

[royal lantern]

i mean ye, its the same thing as we have with dk rn, where 1 class was just insanely strong above everyone else in that regard and must be tuned down

[glad osprey]

Maybe blizzard should make separate pve talents and pvp talents

but knowing them they’ll never do it waaahhhh

[shy marten]

I honestly think removing wotn goes a long way for dks to be more balanced in tankiness

[glad osprey]

I mean to be fair aren’t there some spells already nerfed in pvp

[subtle tundra]

im surviving just fine most things in m+ except siege last boss and dawnbreaker if i get shit rng

[midnight scroll]

yo can anyone please explain kingsbane to me, i have a tracker weakaura but i just don't get why i need to reshiv when i need to, also why use tea after that, i just do not understand it fully, and how to incorporate skardyn's grace and tempered potion into all that

[shy marten]

Wotn is just so unbelievably op for a dps to have

[midnight scroll]

i mean i get that tea is for mastery but still

[shy marten]

That’s a tank penultimate capstone level talent not a dps talent

[glad osprey]

Siege last boss is brutal on anything 10 and above LOL

[subtle tundra]

need to figure out how i survive on 17...

[glad osprey]

I pop so many defensives and if my healer isn’t like fixating on me I die

[shy marten]

You can live like initial + 2 ticks without any defensives on a dk

On like a 13

[shy marten]

Have you tried pressing feint on CD

[subtle tundra]

have you tried playing a 17

[glad osprey]

Feint can’t save you

Even on like a 10

At least with my ilvl, I’m like 627 atm

LOL

[shy marten]

DRs need to be cast before the projectiles come out of the boss

[subtle tundra]

i know bud

[shy marten]

Once the projectile is in the air DRs won’t save you

[glad osprey]

can’t even imagine it on a 17

[shy marten]

I mean for the other guy

You definitely live with feint on a 10

Perhaps you just die through feint on a 17?

[subtle tundra]

theoretically, no

but you need to be full hp

and pre-use feint

for every cast

[shy marten]

Which is pressing it on CD

[subtle tundra]

its not pressing on cd

[shy marten]

The debuff comes a bit faster I think?

[subtle tundra]

boss doesnt always cast the debuffs as the timers show

its delayed

[shy marten]

Oh

[subtle tundra]

or can be instant

its rng

[shy marten]

I just feint when the spell is ready to be casted

And feint again if it hasn’t come out yet

[subtle tundra]

sometimes it lines up very close to slam

[shy marten]

But that causes me to not have feint some of the time

[subtle tundra]

sure but i also want to use energy to do dps

[shy marten]

You do huh, that’s unfortunate

[subtle tundra]

its a 17 afterall

[shy marten]

Look that’s all I got for you, which you probably already knew

[subtle tundra]

yea thats all the theoretical

then you play with a paladin

and he kills you

[shy marten]

HAHA

that’s why you need the dk

The pala can’t kill the dk

[subtle tundra]

cause blizz thought doing dmg to your teammates is fine

[shy marten]

Non trivial amounts of damage

large sums of damage in fact

[subtle tundra]

yea i love suddenly being 50% hpfrom thin air

[shy marten]

There are like 4 guys with a 17 siege

Surely it’s doable

[subtle tundra]

ofc it is

its just sucky

[shy marten]

I mean it’s a 17, I wouldn’t be so quick to say “of course” it’s doable

[balmy prism]

varas the feint denier

[final dawn]

Does that mean that i also have to pre faint every other projectile as well? Like the fire dot of boss 2 in sob

[rotund oak]

outside alter time i stand my ground.Alter time might be even more broken but other than that..

[blazing warren]

How do you deal with Skarmorak as Assassination?

I just had a 5:30 fight with Aug and Retri

Rough

On a 14

[subtle tundra]

that does sound rough

i deal with it by having another spec killing the adds

[blazing warren]

What do i do on the shards?

Rupture and Crimson Tempest if close?

Or do i just try to spam Envenom?

[subtle tundra]

you lose too much by being the one to kill them

[blazing warren]

Does Spatter do damage to them?

[subtle tundra]

you just help

a bit

[blazing warren]

With what spells?

[subtle tundra]

your spells

[blazing warren]

That is very true insight

Anyone else mind to answer?

Is Rupture/Crimson Tempest a waste?

Even if i just help

[blazing pumice]

i don't think you get good ct value

i usually just rupture the other crystals

[blazing warren]

Does Spatter hit them?

[balmy condor]

If they’re close enough sure

[iron carbon]

If tank put boss on it

[blazing warren]

So i just put Rupture on the ones that wont instantly pop and hope the others take care of them?

[balmy condor]

Pretty much

[sweet sinew]

Can I figure out how much uptime I have on 2x envenom buff?

[blazing warren]

Does it matter if i hold my cooldowns a little on the shield or should i avoid that and just do actual boss damage?

[subtle tundra]

You will deplete if you don't kill shield

[blazing warren]

This cant be true

[subtle tundra]

Hey man

Trying my best

If you want more tips I can offer coaching

[foggy skiff]

so does Zandalar Troll's Embrace of Kimbul work with Sudden Death and Lethal Dose?

[blazing warren]

How much /h?

[royal lantern]

ofc not

[waxen field]

on what situation sacbrood would be better than spyglass ? or is it litterally preference at this point ? the sims kinda alternate between the two depending on say duration of fight, and I don't know how accurate is dungeon slice for that

[balmy prism]

generally sac is better ST

[foggy skiff]

can you link anything to back this up?

[grim vigil]

what do i do if my bleed run out in a pack and its still at 30% hp

[waxen field]

that's kinda what i see on wlog, but I'm really wondering how much haste is too much, i already have a shitton of haste with sikran's neck and other items, so i wonder about the value of 1300~ haste + 1300agi from sacbrood whereas spyglass gives me 3k agi + 2k crit quite regularly.
or im missing the point of sacbrood maybe

[grim vigil]

do i keep spattering off 1 target with bleeds

or reapply to all mobs

[novel star]

30% hp doesn’t really mean anything

for this question

is it +8 30% or +15 30%

if the mobs are living for more than like idk 15 seconds maybe then you want to maintain your 5 ruptures

scent of blood very good

energy very good

[subtle tundra]

You rebleed

There's no choice

Otherwise you're dead water

[royal lantern]

???

Class talents only interact with Class stuff, thats how everything in WoW works

wdym "back this up"

[novel star]

pretty much this

i’m just trying to give the autistic reply

but yea

no bleeds no energy no joy

[golden loom]

would be surprised if anything in a +8 was still 30% hp after like a 45 second rupture

[novel star]

yea true

[foggy skiff]

im new brother, im just asking a question. im sorry your ego took a hit for that question but its not a big deal

[golden loom]

sounds like the bis ability to press then is hearthstone

[novel star]

hearth is p much always top prio

pugging

[potent lintel]

So from my understanding. For causatic splatter you want to rupture main target and keep mutilating to spread damage on all other adds?

[novel star]

no

you maintain caustic spatter via 1 mutilate every 10 seconds

it’s just another debuff to maintain

[potent lintel]

ok

[novel star]

between each mutilate you spam fan and envenom

[potent lintel]

is there anything I can do to increase said damage

onto the adds

[novel star]

not really

[nova python]

but mutilate is also our ‘spam’ combo generator on ST right?

[novel star]

yes

[royal lantern]

yes

[novel star]

to clarify, shiv doesn’t increase spatter damage when it’s on the spatter target itself, so all you can really do is send kingsbane or i guess teas but yeah

[dim estuary]

Hello guys, i'm using this on Ovinax MM, does that mean that vanish is not an offensive cooldown anymore ?

[potent lintel]

ive noticed when im encountering many adds in mythic plus some times when I fan of knives once only 4 combo points are filled at a time. Other times the entire combo points is filled at a time and thats when my damage is highest

[novel star]

the next thing to do with spatter is just mash into it

envenom as much as possible

[novel star]

seal fate talent

crits

fan of knives doesn’t generate cp per hit

[royal lantern]

ye

[dim estuary]

So vanish is now a web remover only right ?

[novel star]

but yeah

[royal lantern]

yeha, can use it for that

[novel star]

if you have to send another fan between an envenom it feels a little bad i guess but its not that relevant

[potent lintel]

so how do you incresae your chance at hitting all combo points at once per fan of knives or is it just luck and chacne?

[novel star]

you’ll be fine

[novel star]

luck

[golden loom]

wait that makes so much sense

[novel star]

stacking crit chance on your gear isn’t worth it

so it’s just

[dim estuary]

ah yeah or keep it to apply deathmark to a big spider?

[novel star]

get luckier

[royal lantern]

you dont swap to them, you jist cleave from the boss and press CT when anything is alive for some bonus dmg

[dim estuary]

parse AND progress wise ?

[nova python]

we use vanish to get in stealth to reaply improved garrote?

[blazing warren]

Hows PI/Aug for Assassination?

[royal lantern]

both

[dim estuary]

yes and to buff our kingsbane too (with MA)

[keen spruce]

Decent on both accounts

Not amazing

[solar wyvern]

Decent, better PI targets though

[warm vortex]

Yea

[solar wyvern]

Rip uncapped Kingsbane

[warm vortex]

Charrend is right

[golden loom]

depends also on what spec and if you mean single target, for Fatebound you want to vanish for the 2nd cold blood envenom during cds and for deathstalker you want to vanish last 6 seconds of kingsbane

[warm vortex]

Like it is a dmg buff if you get PI, but usually there are much better PI targets that will prefer the haste over you

[keen spruce]

Enh pi just gaps everything by a country mile in st

[royal lantern]

rogue on ovinax is for boss dmg

that build is more boss dmg cus CT is overtuned as fuck and does more dmg then envenom over its duration when its 2+ targets

+singular focus from deathstalker funnels actually some neat dmg back into ovi herself again

its just

you play full ST, when adds spawn you press CT once and them continue full ST

[warm vortex]

Yea

[solar wyvern]

Yeah sin just trucks the boss lol

[nova python]

and if we send kingsbane to we need to apply shiv to kingsbane target or whatever target? (i’m thinking like dawnbreaker miniboss with 2 tacticians to remove enrage on 1 of tactician)

[warm vortex]

like idk why but my mind always goes to arms for pi
Mainly because i have gotten it once
as arms
in exectue

holy fuck

[dim estuary]

sin on ovinax is so fun lol

[agile wedge]

why?

[subtle tundra]

yea my fucking asshole is so gaped by ele aswell

[elder kernel]

Yo did a Key where i couldn't ever get a restealth ? Is this a bug known ?

[clever sapphire]

sounds like your tank kept chain pulling

[elder kernel]

Nah

[clever sapphire]

which key?

[subtle tundra]

never heard of anything like that

[elder kernel]

Grim batol

I even suicide myslef

[raven elbow]

Fake news

[clever sapphire]

i have run a billion grim batols and never had that

aight a billion is a lie

[subtle tundra]

do you have a log

[clever sapphire]

but i never had anything like that

[elder kernel]

First Time ever

[clever sapphire]

aye a log or smth could help

[elder kernel]

And i tested double vanish build

I'm still in dungeon which is finish and still can't restealth

[raven elbow]

Did you unlearn the stealth ability?

[golden loom]

you sure its not a UI bug or something? try a lil /reload

like sometimes my actionbar has stopped working

[novel star]

in aoe it doesn’t matter, shiv doesn’t increase your caustic spatter damage at all

[elder kernel]

I did the reload

[golden loom]

so you press stealth and nothing happens?

[elder kernel]

And i have stealth macro in spells

Yep

[golden loom]

try clicking it via the spellbook

[novel star]

shivving last 8 of kingsbane is still good for prio damage but if stopping an enrage is higher priority than killing a caster or whatever

then you would shiv for the enrage

[clever sapphire]

sounds like something is perma keeping you in combat

not sure how to check if you are in combat without mounting

[golden loom]

Try eating

that would check for combat

[raven elbow]

If you use details then you can see if you are still in combat

[subtle tundra]

hearthstone can be cast in combat

[elder kernel]

even this is wrong

[golden loom]

oh yeah it can I am dumb

[elder kernel]

i can see if combat or not on UI

and 'im not

[raven elbow]

exit game and re enter

[clever sapphire]

i mean sounds weird and without a log or video or anything its hard to resolve

[raven elbow]

Leave dungeon

[elder kernel]

i can give log

[clever sapphire]

send in here

[nova python]

more what i meant: shiv must hit same target as kingsbane to ‘buff’ kingsbane right?

[elder kernel]

but it already appears when i'm in pvp outdoor

[novel star]

well yes

shiv is a debuff

[elder kernel]

with double vanish talented

[novel star]

but it doesn’t apply that debuff on the other targets who are getting hit by caustic spatter, which is most of the aoe kingsbane damage

shiv just makes the single target kb do more damage

[nova python]

okay, that’s what i needed to know, thanks

[elder kernel]

https://fr.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4hdjkmGLwX8rp7qP#fight=last, obv dogshit key

[novel star]

french

that’s why you couldn’t stealth

blizzard nerfs the french

[subtle tundra]

☝️

[elder kernel]

disabled all addons, still in that dungeon, still can't restealth

and i suicide again

ofc

[clever sapphire]

something happened towards the 2nd half of the key, before that you could stealth if i see it right

[elder kernel]

yep

[clever sapphire]

when did you stop being able to stealth

like was it a moment you can pinpoint

[elder kernel]

after second boss if i remenber well

[subtle tundra]

could be a global combat bug from the boss kill

[clever sapphire]

probably

[elder kernel]

finally i'm able to get a stealth but why i couldn't is still a mystery

[clever sapphire]

french moment

mabye zac knows about it, isnt he french?

[elder kernel]

I swapped back to 1 vanish stack

and after like 1 min, able to stealth

[subtle tundra]

did you go out of the dungeon?

[elder kernel]

nop

[clever sapphire]

doesnt ring any bells, i perma swap talents and never had this issue

[elder kernel]

something funny is that's i got credited of stealth ability when putting back my double vanish build, like if i lost this ability in the middle of the key

[quiet oar]

Prolly the affix

[cold zealot]

How do you track spyglass mark on plater ?

[normal mist]

Why would you want to track it

[cold zealot]

i want to know on which target is it on aoe

[sinful scroll]

wouldn't it go on ur caustic spatter target

[clever sapphire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[golden wasp]

any1 have a momentum of despair tracker?

[royal lantern]

why would you track that?

or do you mix it up with Clear the Witness?

[neon lava]

Anyone know what I can improve here? Feels like I'm doing alright but I still think I'm fucking something up https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QkXrcaBFxz7fMDv2#fight=31&type=damage-done&source=718

[limber lion]

For single target CT gains

https://tenor.com/view/book-of-boba-fett-the-mandalorian-mandalorian-wicked-rad-gif-24653619

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/mygsgifs-mygsgif-yoongi-yoongi-solo-suga-solo-gif-24573258

[grand basin]

anyone knows if there is a macro or WA for shadow stepping on a specific target without mouseover ? like if u put the name of that person in the macro ?

[tepid breach]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[leaden epoch]

Is it good to macro shiv into thistle tea? im new to rogue

[gusty mirage]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[gusty mirage]

[wet wharf]

does anyone have a nice macro that pops flask, trinket and tea, together with DM?

[opal pumice]

That's quite easy to write

/cast Deathmark

/use [Potionname]

/use 13 or 14 depending on trinket slot

/cast Thistle Tea

[atomic wedge]

/cast [@myTarget] Shadowstep

[royal lantern]

always 14

only barbarians use 13

[spice spire]

Bro

It’s objectively correct

[wet wharf]

When going without Iron wire, are you dropping MA, SD og TTK? And do you change your playstyle when playing SD for example?

I guess it becomes a prio to reapply bleeds when things go below 35% to get a nice execute

[subtle tundra]

🤨 🤨 🤨 🤨

what

[bitter iris]

are you guys simming m+ with dungeon slice?

[subtle tundra]

you play zoldyck?

[royal lantern]

yes

[royal lantern]

no, you ignore that sudden demise exists

[bitter iris]

cheers

[crimson zephyr]

so I wantto have kick on target, on focus target and on mouseover. Anyone has a macro for that?

or is it more intelligent to just only use mouseover?

does the ingame focus key overwrite other target options like mouseover?

!macro

[blazing warren]

Is it worth dropping Sudden Demise for Twist the Knife?

[subtle tundra]

nah

[blazing warren]

What about Sanguine Blades?

[subtle tundra]

nah

i dont like ttk

so uh

my opinion is against it

[leaden epoch]

Do we use slice and dice always when it falls off?

[subtle tundra]

you never ever press slice and dice

[leaden epoch]

no?

[spice spire]

Read cut to the chase

[leaden epoch]

ahh i see thanks

[wild pine]

when it says they should be equal. im assuming its the number not the percentage right? cz i have 51% mastery and like 28% crit but the numbers are almost equal

[mortal badger]

yea that's what it means

but you should always sim

[wild pine]

yep im always simming

[golden loom]

I think the only time you wanna press slice and dice is on first pull of Ulgrax, you can get some combo points off the lil spiders (they dissapear if you wipe tho) so you can pre-cast slice and dice 😄

[wild pine]

no need to cast that anymore

envenom gives u slice of dice

[golden loom]

ye i know

[wild pine]

ah i just reread your message

nvm

[golden loom]

but u can get it up before envenoming in that 1 very specific instance

[clever cloak]

hey! Is there any reason for changing race for gnome? I saw that many rogues gone gnome recently.

[drifting ember]

when playing with only 1 shiv, do we want to use it right before kingsbane to get the high initial dmg with shiv buff, or do we want to use it for the last 8s to have the higher poison ticks with the shiv buff?

[gusty mirage]

last part of kb

[wild pine]

last 8 seconds i believe

[mortal badger]

to break out of roots on ansurek

[gusty mirage]

does the most damage

[drifting ember]

okay, thank you

[wild pine]

i know that kb stacks are generally rng

but am i that unlucky that i can barely get to 40 stacks everytime

my kb is never doing its optimal damage

[golden loom]

could sim it but its only a matter of the stats and very very minimal

[clever cloak]

ty guys

[wild pine]

does anyone ever use the poisoned knife for kb or is that a waste of gcd

[gusty mirage]

waste of GCD

mutilate is always a better use of a GCD because you have a chance at 2 poison procs per GCD

[golden loom]

the only reason to use poisoned knife ever is farming old content for transmog 😎

[gusty mirage]

tru

[wild pine]

but poisoned knife is guaranteed 2 poison procs isnt it?

while mutilate is a chance

[spice surge]

Ye but poisoned knife also does no damage itself and gives half the cp

Its pretty much never worth pressing

The absolute vast majority of your poison applications come from melee hits anyway

[wild pine]

i understand that but im just trying to find a way to max out my kb damage

[spice surge]

What spells you cast has very little impact on kb

Well you should be trying to max your overall damage

not your kb damage

[atomic wedge]

pool energy before KB window, keep envenom up

[wild pine]

5:38 minutes on mythic rash. i was top 2 damage with a 1.3m dps. so in general i think my damage is good but 38 million kb dmg in 6 casts is tragic isnt it

[limber lion]

Why are you even looking at the damage

[wild pine]

im just comparing myself to different logs to see if im doing anything wrong

[atomic wedge]

Send me the log and i can do a small review if you feel it's worth it

[wild pine]

and so many other people in 3 minute fights do much more kb dmg

[limber lion]

Well if you were to compare, you'd notice most people doing a bajillion damage with spatter

[wild pine]

yeah but we have 2 fury warriors so adds die relatively quick

[violet flax]

Are there any writeups for different talent variations based on M+ dungeons?
Like, for X dungeon you run Iron Wire, etc

[limber lion]

But yeah, stuff like KB damage is not something you should really look into too much

You maintain Shiv on the boss during KB and you Vanish at 6s remaining

And then you just spam your abilities on the boss

That's all you can do

[wild pine]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/z7m1nwBtD3ZV2KPW#fight=21&type=damage-done&target=68 @atomic wedge

[wild pine]

yeah fair enough

[limber lion]

People who get better logs might have better luck with crits/enchant procs and whatnot

[wild pine]

i use wowhead's mythic+ talents for each dungeon but i believe they're all the same

[limber lion]

Can just look what the top boys are doing in raider.io

But it's honestly super whatever, we have like 400+ different build combos that all basically sim the same

Dropping Iron Wire in Mists and Ara-Kara is a pretty safe bet

[warm vortex]

Don’t the ads literally have to be up the bosses ass for splatter to hit

[limber lion]

Yes

[royal lantern]

welcome to the world of degenerate parse Padding

[rotund oak]

@balmy condor hey man,wanted to revisit some basic rogue mechanics and it has to do with poisons.Does poison application obey a PPM(Procs per minute) or the application is affected by weapon speed as well

[spice surge]

No rppm

Its just straightup a percentage

Nothing to do with speed either

Its just the 30% it says

[rotund oak]

isnt 30% a proc rate though

[spice surge]

And dtb is a 0.7 multiplier after all the other chances have been added together

[oak tangle]

where is a rate in 30%

[rotund oak]

poison application,according to our beloved Eleem

[spice surge]

Theres no rate

Everytime you do a hit

Its a 30% chance

[oak tangle]

rate implies /s /h /m

30% is a % not a /x

[rotund oak]

ah cool cool

[warm vessel]

30 attacks per 100

[gritty laurel]

buy the poison dip

[oak tangle]

but that just not true

sadly

[spice surge]

Well 30% assuming no envenom or talents that modify it

What

[oak tangle]

rng variance

you could technically hit 100/100

unlikely but you could

[warm vessel]

i wish i did during every kingsbane window

[rotund oak]

highly unlikely but its apparent that isnt a proc rate anymore

which is weird,always thought it was

learned something new

[cyan karma]

Could I bind warlocks health stones to crimson vial?? Good idea for m+ or nah?

[spice surge]

Ig thats better than never using then, but ideally you have a bind for each

[wild pine]

is there a macro that automatically targets the tank with tricks

[rotund oak]

there is an actual macro for binding all healing pots/stones/injector

u wont need the pots after u craft injector though

[cyan karma]

Yeah that’s why lol, I forget to use them 😂

[spice surge]

Theres a WA+macro that does it automatically ye

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[cyan karma]

Interested to see if this checks out…

[vast patio]

Wtf my eyes

[wild pine]

anyone mind explaining how this works? sry im new to macros

[tired girder]

is sacrbood still bugge din sims? or is it bis in single target

spyglass, void reapers, and crystal of anub all sim higher for me

[humble verge]

do you guys use whetstone or algari oil?

[iron carbon]

I've read this somewhere

KEKW

[late tusk]

hello! The no dmg rogue here, I would like to log myself, some idea/recommend about where to do it?

I mean, 10s, 11s, Cev said he was able to do 2m in 10 Mist, but not sure if its the way

[gritty laurel]

if you don't have any logs ready to rip, maybe just wail on a dummy for 5m and record that?

[late tusk]

Got sense, will do it i think

There is no much sense on burn consu there

but well, its for learning

[gritty laurel]

consumables just make number go up, they don't change how you do the rotation

[hollow gazelle]

also depends on item level as well. if your super low you cant really do that

[late tusk]

ye im 630

its like its time to start doing things

Xd

[hollow gazelle]

oh ok. my alt is a 630 rogue. i do about 1.8 in all the dungeons but i do more then 2mill in NW and stonevault

[vocal cradle]

The item name portion doesn't work for me...I have to use item id for the specific potions I have ..

[tawny geyser]

That's because almost every NW pull is 5+ adds.
And they're quite healthy.

[hollow gazelle]

yeah the have good prio targets like the mages and gatekeepers

[pulsar apex]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[late tusk]

im suepr wrong then

cause im at 1.5 -16

[tired girder]

is sacrbood still bugged in sims? or is it bis in single target
spyglass, void reapers, and crystal of anub all sim higher for me

[bitter iris]

hmm isn't it weird that in a sim it says that a vers mastery ring is best while i have crit/haste or mastery/haste available?

[plucky warren]

15 ilvl under the outlaw. this spec PUMPS jeez.

[mystic hollow]

Stat weights shift based on how much of each stat you have, and they have diminishing returns. 1 point of vers is worth more at 200vers, than it is at 800vers. So, your stat weights are fluid. Especially since Assassination has such close stat weights already

[bitter iris]

i got 32% crit 11% haste 1.5% vers and 46% mastery, thought vers is bottom of all

[spice surge]

Its not bugged in sims and dont think its ever been

[vocal cradle]

So I have this plater profile that works well for me but doesn't have much in the way of tracking dm or cs..it does have the icons of the debuffs on top of the name plate but would y'all happen to know how to make the icon for a specific debuff bigger? Or even attach it to the side?

[mystic hollow]

Yes, but 1 point of vers is worth more proportionately, because your other stats are so high now. That's just how it works

[spice surge]

Just sim your gear and dont bother with stat weights

[bitter iris]

that's what I'm doing, just wanted to know the reasoning for it picking a major vers ring for me instead of major mastery / crit or haste 😄

[warped jackal]

Guys my single target dmg is disgusting and i dont know what i am doing wrong

[royal lantern]

you play assa

assa ST in dungeons is kinda mid at best

[plucky warren]

true

maybe im just bad but single target it really hard. Always find myself running out of energy and having to be on the backburner waiting for a mechanic to give me time to regen

[royal lantern]

well yeha

taking the AoE talents means you have less of the energy talents

so you run out faster

[little frost]

hello guys where can I check macros for assassin ?

[royal lantern]

and go up slower

[plucky warren]

well yeah obv but i feel like there is sokething better i can do.

[royal lantern]

deathmark+trinket, thistle tea+shiv, if you are weird and play coinflipper, kingsbane+coldblood

thats all

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[royal lantern]

thats the tea macro

[little frost]

ty

[late tusk]

You use it even if you will overcap energy?

[split willow]

In high m+ what’s the tradeoffs for master assassin vs twist the knife?

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[vast patio]

Stronger envenom vs more crit

[manic quartz]

in mythic court should i use CD's at pull or at first charge?

[iron prism]

Lethality worth it?

[strange python]

aight chat. coming from outlaw i thought i had a lot to keep up with. How do i track everything stupid easily? get good or am i missing something?

[spice spire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[spice spire]

Helps tracking

[slate crown]

do they help me track u?

[spice spire]

Nah but I can help

Whatcha need from me LE

[slate crown]

Just the hope that you're having a good day.

[spice spire]

Damn sorry to disappoint you queen

But it’s just okay

[slate crown]

[cursive marsh]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[strange python]

so what do i hit if all my dots are on the target? envenom again?

[spice spire]

Yeah

[strange python]

and if i use rupture/garrote over my buffed rupture/garrote does it lose its buff?

[uneven plume]

i dont think assas ST is that mid. People just see enh doing 1.7mil steady on ST and think their ST is mid

but in reality

everyones ST in dungeons is mid

besides in enh

[spice surge]

Not subtlety

[slate crown]

Sub unga bunga

https://tenor.com/view/vibe-cat-gif-23091665

[humble verge]

hmm

i havent tried sub since like

week 1 i started

i just swapped to assa cause i got told to

[slate crown]

11.0.5 helped

[gritty laurel]

yes, you'll lose whatever duration is left on the empowered version of garrote. i don't think rupture actually gets buffed from stealth, just extra applications

[humble verge]

but like, id have to farm gear to play sub tho

and id rather not

[spice surge]

Id say assa still does slightly more overall in keys

But its a lot smaller of a gap than most people think

[manic sphinx]

What's the diffrence between mainhand and offhand?

[soft shale]

only thing assa can struggle is with st if there is not additional targets because sub being a bit more tanky does not help hugely most of the time for people

[spice surge]

Mainhand impacts the damage of your spells

Offhand doesnt

So mainhand is very important, offhand isnt

[soft shale]

mainhand is a direct contributor to the formula for your skills to do dmg

[manic sphinx]

Oh wow, wasn't expecting that significant of an answer. Thanks!

[soft shale]

offhand is there to cheer

[manic sphinx]

Interesting. Completely new to rogue, so trying to learn up 😄

[soft shale]

oh and also to make sure you have 20% miss rate

because ehehe

[warm vortex]

That feel when you want mythic prog in a casual guild but love the people in your guild D:

[manic sphinx]

So what wep to craft? I don't think I can reliably get a decent drop. Icy Veins doens't seem to mention this (unless I'm missing it) and I see in Crafting, there's like 3 daggers

[gritty laurel]

don't craft siphoning stiletto, don't craft an int dagger

[manic sphinx]

Oh, ones an int one!

[iron valve]

I thought weapon damage wasn't a part of any ability damage formulas anymore? but offhand upgrades kind of suck anyway because offhand autoattack damage has a 50% damage penalty

[warm vortex]

Nono do this
Imagine how much smarter you will be

[slate crown]

Yeah there have been many people (even popular streamers) who crafted the int dagger by mistake for their first craft and wasted their first spark

So, be careful

[spice surge]

Theyre not only determined by weapon damage anymore

They used to be entirely determined by weapon damage, now its a mix of agility & weapon DPS

[iron valve]

I see, ty!

[brave comet]

numbing poison or atrophic poison?

which should i take

[manic sphinx]

Thx thx. So if I want 2, do I just craft 2 stabbers? It doesn't seem to say unique-equipped. Or do I just craft for mainhand, then use something whenever I get a drop?

[spice surge]

(specifically weapon dps, and not damage so a same ilvl mace wont do more damage with fok for example)

[spice surge]

Cant 1

Not 2

[gritty laurel]

general rule of thumb is numbing for everything except raid, which is atrophic

[spice surge]

Spend your crests on anything but the offhand

Until you have no other options left, as offhand is the least impactful slot

[manic sphinx]

Alright, thx!! ❤️

Right

[brave comet]

seriously

[spice surge]

yes

[manic sphinx]

Sorry, last question from me on this - IV seems to suggest Dawnthread Lining embellishment. Correct?

[spice surge]

yes

But truthfully it doesnt matter, embellishments are all incredibly weak and unimpactful

The difference between embellishments is at its largest like 0.5%

And theyre just gonna continue to get worse the further into the expasion we go unless they massively buff them

[manic sphinx]

Fair enough. I can't actually even see the Dawnthread thing in crafting orders 🤔

[novel star]

armor embellishment

if youre looking at a dagger order it wont be there cus u cant put it on weps

[manic sphinx]

ah what the 😒

[novel star]

its fine to just craft an unembellished dagger and dawnthread wrist/belt tbh

if you arent getting a myth dagger

[acoustic roost]

You can always recraft crafted gear as well for different stats/embellishments in the future. You aren’t stuck with what you craft right now

[manic sphinx]

Okay, thanks all 🙂

[novel star]

crafts are usually inefficient on crests but for specifically dual wield weapons and rings it actually saves crests if you abuse the bug, assuming they still havent fixed it

[spice surge]

Again, make sure its the agility dagger

That isnt siphoning

[manic sphinx]

Yep, good point. I wont be, unless super lucky in vault - but that too, I'm far from doing 10s anyway, so i'll go ahead with this for now

[novel star]

yeh

slam it on a dagger with no embellishment

then work on the next pieces

[manic sphinx]

Thx - agi dagger, Stabber, with crit/mastery. Thx all!

[spice surge]

Many a youngins have been coming into this channel with an int dagger complaining

[manic sphinx]

I have to be honest. Rogue is harder than I initially thought. Am really enjoying it in my 3s and 4s atm 😆

[humble verge]

any class/spec feels hard at the start anyways

[manic sphinx]

Used to feral back in the day (years ago). But this is a cut above managing just a rake and a rip 😆

[humble verge]

took me solid time to learn how to do proper dk

not just pressing what i wanted D:

[slow marsh]

True, you have to manage +1 bleed

[manic sphinx]

Well, its the bleed, but then u also have shiv dot, kingsbane dot, then the dps cooldown of deathmark, etc. etc. I haven't feral'd in a while, but it was in the era of apply bleeds, make sure u have savage roar up (even slice and dice is auto here tho!) and then just spam finisher with bite 😅

This seems a higher skill cap, which I'm enjoying for now. Will take me a while to get good at it tho

[gritty laurel]

a good weakaura pack and plater profile makes it silky smooth to manage, you'll get used to it

LE's pack is particularly good

[manic sphinx]

Yep, thx - using the Afenar modified for now

oh ok, might try that out

[spark shore]

New to assa rogue here. Quick question. In an m+ situation aoe from stealth if I apply garrote and rupture twice to the one target is that the optimal way of doing it? Or should I apply garrote and rupture then focus someone that doesn’t have the bleeds and apply to them?

Is this the correct way of doing it or not?

[slate crown]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[latent warren]

can you catalyst boe drops?

[stuck jacinth]

Yes

[latent warren]

ok ty

[manic sphinx]

wow that's useful, thx. i had this question, but for a later date

i think i waste time trying to find another target without anything - but seems better while learning to just cast on what i have

[manic sphinx]

and i think it'll be tough to get back to target with deathmark on it, if i swap target

[warm vortex]

If we killed sikran yesterday my parses would be better

:(

[spark shore]

In a pack of 6 for example haha thanks man exactly what I needed. Better for maxing output but not essential for someone learning the class 👍

Can anyone link a mouse over macro for garrote and rupture please?

[slow marsh]

That sounds not very fun

[gritty laurel]

the wowhead assa guide has a macros section with a template for mouseovers

[slow marsh]

@limber lion do we finish at 5+ with double deeper or 6+

[limber lion]

5+

[warm vortex]

I’m still proud of my blood log

[slow marsh]

K thanks I wasn't sure

[limber lion]

Npnp

[warm vortex]

Yeye cev is right

Finish at 5 or more

[slow marsh]

Only time to force 7 is for darkest right?

[warm vortex]

Unless you have DN

Yep

[limber lion]

7 only for Darkest Night (5+Supercharge or manually 7)

[warm vortex]

So for example. Don’t get to 5 cp and mutilate for more

[slow marsh]

And what is vanish prio with double charge

[warm vortex]

Small things like that will improve your dps a lot

[warm vortex]

For mythic + I assume

[rotund pasture]

Guys what s the best race for Assa right now? Still Nelf?

[limber lion]

Nothing changes, you just use it for MA.