assassination

[gloomy heart]

Send me your simc

[cyan dew]

how do I send in a short version? I can't DM the string to you

[gloomy heart]

It should let you and itll be a thing i download

Try sending

[paper raptor]

thanks for the question doing some work/research now

[gloomy heart]

itd look like this @cyan dew

[cyan dew]

Ohh, here

done

[paper raptor]

Raid assassin is Fatebound preferred?

[midnight spire]

my brann gets feared out of room or impossible to avoid EGG + FRONTAL SMASH

[tall atlas]

I’ve seen it do really well

Depends on the fight I think in ST it’s ahead

[paper raptor]

thank you

[gusty saffron]

Apologies if this has been addressed elsewhere but does anybody have any tips for pooling energy? I generally just spam mutilate and envenom during cds without much regard to energy. Outside of cds, I use all of my energy and let it pool back to 200 before starting mutilate and envenom again, I keep bleeds up while doing this. I also try to have at least 200 energy and a tea before I go into KB and DM rotation. Does this sound okay?

[nimble vector]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[coral ibex]

there's no need to pool to any specific energy threshold

to do so would surely drop your envenom buff

which is simply incorrect play

[nimble vector]

that's outdated nvm, don't pool just don't grief your energy, play around envenom uptime

[coral ibex]

you should play for envenom uptime

if you have below 95% uptime in a raid fight ur fucking up

bc its functionally 100% uptime other than the opener

you should never drop it

[wraith briar]

if i have a darkest night proc and i am at max cp - 1, is it ok to press mutilate again

[coral ibex]

yes, you have to

[wraith briar]

ye makes sense

i was thinking garrote or something xd

[coral ibex]

if garrote is in pandemic, sure

thats fine

[gusty saffron]

Thanks for the advice!

[wraith briar]

does envenom also have a pandemic

[coral ibex]

yes

[wraith briar]

kk

[coral ibex]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[coral ibex]

whatever 30% of your envenom buff was

i usually just refresh in the last second

[cyan dew]

thistle tea we now use with first shiv too, right?

[limber lion]

Yes you use it once to get it on cooldown

[cyan dew]

ty

[limber oyster]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[ornate wagon]

guys switching targets from your marked to interupt do you have kick on mouse over? ty

[coral ibex]

yes i use mouseover for kick

but also i have a focus kick macro bound separately

[ornate wagon]

ty mate

[limber lion]

I don't use mouseover macros whatsoever

[nova kelp]

you be doing the tab kick tab?

[coral ibex]

me neither

[nova kelp]

or focus kicks?

[coral ibex]

i just have mouseover enabled for everything

its a vanilla kick bind

[gloomy heart]

what is this number above my envenom

[tall atlas]

Do we just generally hate trech trans

[low junco]

how do i start threads for log analysis again

[slate crown]

Possibly amplifying poison stacks

Or, could be second envenom duration

[gloomy heart]

ah prob amp

[drowsy vortex]

Guys whats is the best option to simc M+?
dungeonslice or 5boss 5min ?

[slate crown]

dungeon slice is supported for rogue

[gloomy heart]

is there a way to make it envenom icon and show x2 stack on rather than this bar

[slate crown]

!wa LE Collection has an Icon option instead of the bars

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[slate crown]

You'll need to place it within Whispyr's pack properly

[nova kelp]

Afenars no longer updating his profiles hey

[ornate wagon]

can 629 boe gear from ah be changed into tier guys? ty

[misty bough]

does anyone have any idea why i havnt gotten any xp in my TW dungeons ive done? im lv68 now wth

is there a cap?

[hollow river]

Someone in your group maybe had XP turned off

This will cause others in the group to not gain XP

[balmy condor]

I think he might be but they’re kinda really trash outside of the visuals

[hollow river]

Maybe you had someone on a twink in group

[misty bough]

not even with party sync?

[hollow river]

If there’s a twink in your group you won’t get XP

[misty bough]

there are 3 of them

[hollow river]

There’s a couple work arounds but the twink has to do them iirc

[misty bough]

It was working earlier tho

[nova kelp]

I always liked afenars, but yeah it was more because I'd just gotten used to them, switching off was too much of a problem till I HAD to

[limber lion]

I mean, why would you need to switch off?

[misty bough]

any idea how?

[limber lion]

Many of us still use Afenar's, we just modify it to our needs

Whispyr has his version uploaded to wago as well

[nova kelp]

I have a tendency to use the same suite across all my characters is all

and I don't want to go through the hassle

[limber lion]

Me too

Which is why I use Afenar on everything

[hollow river]

Nope. Some weird jank that the twink has to do. Wouldn’t recommend grouping with multiple while leveling

[limber lion]

And just modify the Rogue one to be exactly what I want

But each to their own

[nova kelp]

I just switched everything to LE's

[misty bough]

they are planning to boost and im tagging along as a healer

3 lvl 11 warriors our dungeons are so fast

[hollow river]

They can solo the dungeon

[limber lion]

LE's?

[hollow river]

You don’t need 3

[nova kelp]

though idk why I care tbh, all I really play is the rogue these days, spend more time in other games than on alts now

[hollow river]

They better figure out the work around if they want to boost

[limber lion]

Don't think LE has complete weakaura packs for anything other than rogue

[nova kelp]

yeah sorry, what I said just now was more relevent to that point

I think my other toons are using lux

but yeah I'm barely ever on them these days

[limber lion]

So you said that you want unity and cannot use Afenar because it's bad

To then say that nevermind you don't actually do that

lol

Alright

[nova kelp]

no I switched because they weren't being updated, but eventually ended up just switching hte rogue coz it's all I play now

[slate crown]

Only rogue is published

[limber lion]

Yeh

[slate crown]

I made my own personal stuff for alts that's all matching aesthetically but not super polished

[nova kelp]

there's a timeline in there, I just didn't go into detail

[slate crown]

because I cba and I don't have a reason to publish outside of rogue

and it takes too much brain space to maintain multiple

[icy acorn]

do you use transmitter with kb? or dm

[spare cargo]

dm + kb

[icy acorn]

yeah but on what cast

on dm cast or kb cast

[spare cargo]

before dm

[low junco]

anyone free to help me over some logs, i might be an actual 2head, i cant find the issue

[spare cargo]

after ur bleeds

[low junco]

feels like my envenoms do lower than any other logs i check

[balmy condor]

You want to make sure the mini game is completed some time after your dm

When you press transmitter is of no concern outside of that

[icy acorn]

alright, ty

[arctic tusk]

does spatter hit the acolytes in ansurek?

if its not perfectly clsoe

[grim vigil]

do i always wanna use max combo points on envenom or is 4-5 ok at times?

[spice surge]

5 or more for all finishers

[grim vigil]

so 5 is ok?

like what if i only used 5 combo point envonoms vs someone whos always using 7 but maybe ovecapping

[slate crown]

yes 5 is ok

[storm forum]

are there people in a hidden voice channel?

[grim vigil]

i had real issues overcapping so now im creating a wa that glows my 5th cb

[balmy condor]

No

[storm forum]

ok

i hate the discord app

why is it telling me people are in a channel? even if i could see the channel, why would i need to know?

[balmy condor]

Hating the discord app

Also grass is green

Circles are round

[storm forum]

i have brain damage

[balmy condor]

Same

[storm forum]

[hearty coral]

man wtf is this he is 580

[nova kelp]

what are those numbers from? like what do they include?

[hearty coral]

overall dg.. +2 NW

[runic hinge]

I must have brain damage. Assa is too fotm must play spriest now

[nova kelp]

there's a LOT to analyse when it comes to m+, especially if you're looking at overall numbers

but at like a baseline ... unh does mad add damage

[hearty coral]

also does this looks correc? Thanks

[limber lion]

No

But I'm assuming you're very low ilvl

[nova kelp]

oh man, no
but also it's a 2, and there was an unh soaking up adds probably

[limber lion]

And playing a whatever build

[hearty coral]

im 589 and im running icy veins build

[limber lion]

In a +2 you should just be playing a bleed build

Spatter should be your #1 highest damage, but it won't be if the things die in 3 seconds

No point

[storm forum]

shadow and disc fun

[hearty coral]

im terrible at assa but im having tons of fun

[vast patio]

ATM outlaw and sin are fighting for favorite melee.

Missed my rogue. 😄

[nova kelp]

a problem you'll be having at that level is that things just fucking perish constantly, especially if you have something like an unh just giga fucking all the available mob HP it will make things wonky

go with cevs advise and work from there

[hearty coral]

which one is the bleed build? sorry

so i lost to him cause mobs need to survive to my dmg rise?

[limber lion]

In a +2 you should just spread bleeds on everything and have everything die to Garrotes, Ruptures, CT and Sudden Demise

The +2 keys that I did, Sudden Demise was doing around 30% of my overall damage

Take Zoldyck and AP, drop DTB

[hearty coral]

so i should dot every mob and thats it?

[limber lion]

That's about it yeah

[hearty coral]

and use mutilate on each mob or just 1?

does splatter work per mob or just on one mob?

[limber lion]

One mob that cleaves to everything

Also, take Subterfuge on the class tree

[hearty coral]

i cant apply it to another add?

[limber lion]

No reason to run Supercharge in Mythic+, especially in lower keys

No.

[hearty coral]

i see

i should always open from stealth with ambush right

[limber lion]

Nah

[hearty coral]

only on bosses?

[limber lion]

You can if you want to, but it's not really that necessary in lower keys and whatever

It only starts to matter when you have beefier targets that you send cooldowns on

Playing around the mark in a +2 is very redundant

Just do Garrote Garrote Rup Rup Fok Fok CT

Everytime

Or rather, Garrote Garrote Rupture Rupture Fok Shiv CT

With AP

You will have to play entirely differently when you get into higher keys and your damage moves from Sudden Demise/bleeds to Spatter

But for now you literally just spam Garrote, Rupture and CT on everything and that's it

Send cooldowns on bosses

[umbral sigil]

do you guys target swap to keep bleeds on both bosses for silken court?

[limber lion]

Yes

[tepid breach]

yep

[cunning needle]

set up your boss frames to be able to easily track bleed (and poisons)

and have MO macros

SC made me update my UI for this

but was kinda worth

[worldly sail]

i made focus macros and focus bleed tracking just for court

[umbral sigil]

yeah i need to fix my plater

for some reason its not showing bleeds on the second boss. I think that + mouseovers will solve my blight

[cunning needle]

make sure when you fok - you're in range of both bosses

[deft scroll]

hey guys, quick question about our st opener.
I dont understand why we are doing this before the big cds. Thx for the help 🙂

[spice surge]

Your deathmark relies on having your bleeds up on the target

Your kingsbane gets stronger the more poisons you apply, which means you want envenom up to have more poisons

[hearty coral]

So on kingsbane is maintain envenom and shiv buff right?

[gritty laurel]

yep, and if you're running single shiv for M+, you shiv the back half of KB

[ocean ore]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[shadow badger]

hey could anyone help me figure out how to improve my dps on ovinax i had 99.8% uptime and did a mil less than most people on logs

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zMrymKvFGJxk61hY#fight=last&view=rankings&playermetric=dps

[rain mortar]

pleeeassse god let it end

[nova kelp]

shes a fun boss imo

[balmy condor]

Brother do you understand what kyveza ending means

[nova kelp]

I'm still waiting to hit up court

I can't wait

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[rain mortar]

yes more sadness, but im ready for some new sadness

[nova kelp]

I kinda wana do kyvesa again just so I can get a log without having to reapply poisons lololol

[balmy condor]

That’s what you think

[nova kelp]

it's ok though, after you finish court you get to move onto the big gyatt

[balmy condor]

Get my goon on

[novel star]

7/8 guilds interested in me god i hope they take me i really want to skip court completely

[tepid breach]

Is haste important as sin? when i sim for M+ it recommand me mostly 90% gem of haste/mastery

[novel star]

life would be so fucking good if i got ce without having to prog court ever

[runic hinge]

Gyatt so big she parries from the back

[balmy condor]

7/8 guilds interested in you, in the 1/8 guild that isn’t interested in you cause I’m an opp

[balmy condor]

For aoe? No

[tepid breach]

yeah runned dungeon slice

[balmy condor]

For single target? Also no, but less convincing

[tepid breach]

and all gem are haste mastery lul

[novel star]

don’t you guys have court almost dead now

ur not 1/8

[tepid breach]

instead of crit/mastery

[novel star]

[balmy condor]

Yeah but 7 out of 8 guilds are interesting in you

[novel star]

interesting huh

i wish an interesting guy was in me rn

[balmy condor]

Im the one guild that isn’t interested

[balmy condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/963967500171763843/1073733493479194624/attachment.gif

[novel star]

ok fair enough i see what u r saying based

[nova kelp]

what did I just come back to

[balmy condor]

Bottom behavior

[scenic nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/finished-elijah-wood-lord-of-the-rings-lava-fire-gif-5894611

[coral ibex]

gz

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/draco-malfoy-harry-potter-mewing-mew-slytherin-gif-8263298459687914233

[strange python]

dumb question whatre the 2 green bars under the energy bar for?

[runic hinge]

Congrats big dawg

https://tenor.com/view/tiger-tiger-woods-big-dog-salutation-what-up-gif-2478767235926945002

[slate crown]

That's your envenom buff duration

There are 2 of them when you spec into Twist the Knife

[strange python]

oh cool, ty!

[vast patio]

I wish blindside was baseline

[arctic tusk]

whats most optimal way to speed up opener, i want my kingsbane to be up faster in ansurek intermission

[balmy condor]

I wish blindside was real

[balmy condor]

Don’t pre-envenom

[coral ibex]

i love court i love court i love court

!!!!!

this is actually so much chiller than brood or kyveza

[static glacier]

thoughts on dropping MA + imp gar for thrown precision + CT on queen?

[tiny apex]

is taking Caustic Spatter worth it on M Rashanan

[static glacier]

initial feelycraft says no but considering 2nd vanish is used for mark, not dmg

also p3 has a lot of use cases for ct

[autumn remnant]

no

[nova kelp]

Peeps been taking it lately since the crying over warrior cleave has calmed down and add damage isn't removed from logs now

So it looks good, but depending on your groups aoe not really

[tiny apex]

ok subquestion, how far is caustic spatter reach

can I just keep hitting Rashanan and spatter will hit adds

[coral ibex]

no they need to be deep under rash

to get hit with caustic

like on the ledge

[tiny apex]

I see

[nova kelp]

Generally the point of spatter is to just cleave off, switching is bad

honestly most times it feels like spatter hits the rest of the universe

[autumn remnant]

The long answer is what the other guy typed.
Unless u dont have double war/dk, I guess u can take it.

[tiny apex]

we have 2 warriors 2 paladins 2 shamans

[nova kelp]

I definitely see spatter numbers from adds easily as far out as the boss target circle

[tiny apex]

am I better off just ammo dumping ST into Rash

[autumn remnant]

well optimally, its warrs job to kill the adds.

[nova kelp]

prog wise, so long as your groups aoe is sufficient it doesnt LOOK as good, but what you SHOULD be doing is pure st most likely

[oak tangle]

rupture an add get some energy about all you should do

[autumn remnant]

now if they dont die, u just spec into spatter

[short night]

im stuck deciding between arms and sin right now

😦

[autumn remnant]

dont do that...

[oak tangle]

?

u ok bro

[autumn remnant]

u r not rupturing an add that dies in 3 seconds

[oak tangle]

...

[nova kelp]

if you're looking for pure efficiency then sniping targets for an energy battery isn't necessarily a no go

[autumn remnant]

it depends on how long the add lasts

[nova kelp]

like maybe don't hit one up with a 5 pointer

[vast patio]

I miss dispatch

[oak tangle]

no it doesnt

[nova kelp]

but it's not for the damage

[vast patio]

That'd also work for me

[oak tangle]

it literally doesnt

[autumn remnant]

ok

[oak tangle]

it's free energy

[arctic tusk]

and im not crazy i think right, any amount of time lost on kingsbane is worse than pre envenoming

[autumn remnant]

is it?

[vast patio]

also

boys

I know the socket doesn't mean much but still

[oak tangle]

idk, you shouldn't aim to aoe on the adds, but if you aren't sniping for energy outside cd's you are trolling

[nova kelp]

I'm not sure peeps have all caught up to sniper for the energy return, so it sounds like bleeding a target that will die 2 seconds into the now void rupture

[oak tangle]

in saying that, you'd never take internal bleeding, it's such a minimal increase in ST, and it fries your mental to be that low

[tiny apex]

so, say I don't care about my guild's prog, would I just go Spatter for the extra pad

: ^)

[nova kelp]

well... I mean, it looks good on the logs lol

[tiny apex]

I've grown scorned from their treatment of me : ^)

[nova kelp]

technically you get dps out of it too from DS funnel

[short night]

guys should i go sin or arms be honset

[nova kelp]

so it's not as much of a loss as you'd think

[oak tangle]

internal bleeding is something dumb like 10k dps

[dense hamlet]

its not like ur gonna pop the fk off the charts if u play spatter

[tiny apex]

yeeeah I just wanna know theoretical best

[autumn remnant]

if the adds die fast, play internal bleeding, if they dont, play spatter

[nova kelp]

there's really not THAT big of a diff in boss damage in either direction

spatter helps on adds

it's really just OPPPPPPTTTTIIIIIIMAL vs slightly better numbers

[oak tangle]

i suggest looking at a kyveza / sikran pull, and seeing how much damage that internal bleeding actually does

it will make your decision much easier

[balmy condor]

Probably

[nova kelp]

like... I don't want to give anyone bad habbits or ideas
BUT
if a sin rogue NOT taking internal bleeding on a boss where adds exist is going to be the diff in the boss dying or not... You got bigger issues

it's not that big of a deal

peeps are too sensitive and harsh about the "padding" calls these days, most times that "padding" is on adds that NEED to die, that doesn't count as "padding"

[dense hamlet]

i mean

15m internal bleeding isnt gonna do anything

unironically dosent even matter in the big picture

like

how often do ou wipe on rashanan and wish u had intenral bleeding for boss dam

that shit is literally 2 gcds worth of dmg from any class

[slow marsh]

Why isn't it

Does ambush suck or the path

[vocal cradle]

would someone be willign to rip my rashan logs to shreds?

[still stirrup]

go for it

[vocal cradle]

i will hit you up after raid

i felt like i did decent but still fuckin green lol

actually got some time @still stirrup https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pdfx72vNQBhKXDkr#fight=31

ignore the first 3 bosses lol i was having mad internet issues

[oak tangle]

@spice spire peep this guys logs

if for no other reason that the guild name

[vocal cradle]

lmao

[slow marsh]

W guild name

[still stirrup]

I dont see anything glaringly wrong, maybe someone can give a more detailed insight though. You got the webs once which will hurt your overall

[oak tangle]

i have not looked, but kb timings to when adds come out is some free pad which is where alot of the parse % will be

[spice spire]

Log Time

[jolly heath]

Guys do you know if changing race will lock you out of mythic raid instance?

[nova kelp]

Is 1.3 bad even?

I think my recent one was like 1.7 or something idk

under?

idk

[balmy condor]

They made it auto replace mutilate and now I can’t tell when it procs cause I don’t have to react

Stinky

[oak tangle]

i still have the proc sprites show up, and metally it triggers "free cast" in my brain

[nova kelp]

I actually super dislike the auto replacement skill things they started adding, but I can't tell if that's just stockholm syndrome

[slow marsh]

Oh I see. Yeah I was wondering why I had open keybinds when setting my stuff up again

[runic hinge]

It feels like lost skill expression. Which is probably better for the general player base but feels worse if you were already taking care of it yourself.

[cunning needle]

i think changing faction will do it

[runic hinge]

Feels like dumbing down the spec

[cunning needle]

but dont quote me on that when you change race and it locks you out

best is to do it at the end of the week

[oak tangle]

i believe it did in rtwf

[balmy condor]

Delete all the buttons idc just make pooling impactful man

[slow marsh]

Yeah and weren't hero talents supposed to change things up and give diversity or whatever......then they give us fatebound or whatever

[nova kelp]

I guess the thing is sometimes the "skill expression" is actually just an addition to gameplay loop, it wasn't a big deal but just quickly hitting that "other bind" was active input that felt good imo

[oak tangle]

would it be too much like sub if we had it when you hit full energy for the next x seconds you do more damage, and then you're trying to burn down your energy, then you wait for it to fill again

[nova kelp]

I could be wrong, i've played for WAY too long to see this from a more casual perspective

[slow marsh]

We don't need anything like that tho

[exotic apex]

not bad for 614 ilvl and gimped gear with no enchants or sockets/gems rofl

[balmy condor]

My cook to make everyone happy is reworking sanguine blades to basically just steal insanity from spriest, when you hit max energy you start losing energy at an increasing rate until you drop below 25% or something

[slow marsh]

I mean for me coming back after a full xpac it seems like we got a shit ton of nice things...so that's cool.

[oak tangle]

would need some way in st to get energy as an active, that isnt tea imo

otherwise its basically a set duration

[runic hinge]

Active exsang that was deleted for this version choice node?

[slow marsh]

Is exsang dead for good

Why are we trying to bring it back

[balmy condor]

The fuck would that do

[oak tangle]

a name is just a name

if all you care about it what it's called, dont call it exsanguinate

[slow marsh]

Exsang as in the mechanic is bad

[runic hinge]

Idk rework to be more like you said but it would be a choice with the current version.

[oak tangle]

when was anyone trying to bring it back

[slow marsh]

Literally he's saying right now

[oak tangle]

huh

[balmy condor]

What

[slow marsh]

Idk

[balmy condor]

Idk if it needs a choice

But yeh idk

Adding a bunch of energy talents

And then making them all irrelevant with dashing+ttk

Is definitely a move

Same as having 2 hero talents and both of them are just envenom buffs

[oak tangle]

it would have to come with a skill expression node to replace tea

[slow marsh]

Good to know that some things never change. Like blizz not knowing how rogue actually works

[balmy condor]

Blizzard does know how rogue works

Assassination is in the best spot it’s been in for like 8 years lmao

[slow marsh]

So I've seen but I also still see complaining that stuff doesn't work

[balmy condor]

Well yes

[oak tangle]

of all the things to complain about, current rogue aint one, i'm having so much fun in m+ and decent in raid

[balmy condor]

Nothing is perfect

[oak tangle]

sure as hell beats it being impossible to do keys, ala BFA days

fok in ST every now and then beats ct spam in aoe

[slow marsh]

I like the fok in st

[exotic apex]

sin does feel good, ngl. just started playing it days ago and it feels pretty damn smooth

[coral ibex]

but muh auto tea

muh m+ ST

(THIS IS A BIT DON'T SHOOT)

[exotic apex]

tea does feel kinda stupid since its just like a drinking animation

[slow marsh]

I'm excited to play m+ as sin.

[oak tangle]

it's kinda funny the uproar at auto tea / acro strikes, we've played without them before and things were fine, just teething pain

[short night]

i cannot decide assassin rogue or arms war

[oak tangle]

what do you wanna do?

[exotic apex]

play both

[oak tangle]

yeah play both, play outlaw

rogue + arms = outlaw

[exotic apex]

outlaws apm is just high compared to arms atleast

[nova kelp]

outlarms
rogurms

armlaw

[autumn remnant]

acro hurts so much

[nova kelp]

hey

look at my name

we don't talk about acro

[autumn remnant]

[slow marsh]

What did they do to acro

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/گریه-ناراحت-غم-gerye-narahat-gif-23378340

[balmy condor]

Removed it from every melee in the game

[nova kelp]

*laughs in ret

[slow marsh]

Oh nice. They really hated it that much huh

[coral ibex]

you WILL be close enough to lick the enemy

[nova kelp]

to be fair, it inadvertently created a weird gap in mechanics vs uptime that was probably more of an issue from a dev perspective than we'd notice

won't stop me from cursing the sky at day we lost it

[exotic apex]

didnt they remove the range from ret awhile back anyway?

[nova kelp]

their skills don't give a shit

[exotic apex]

true

and they dont even have a button for wings anymore, its baked into wake

[nova kelp]

but yeah, everything has to be close enough for a solid dryhumping to optimise

[exotic apex]

ret is like the bm hunter of melee

[nova kelp]

imo ret visually is one of the coolest specs in the game

but the concept of being asked "can you heal?" makes me want to kick a baby yoda

[exotic apex]

i mean, it looks great, i like the way ele sham looks too

[exotic apex]

lol based, ive only ever dps'ed. well i tanked once but never again

[nova kelp]

I'm still guilded with a dude who was around the last time I ever disc'd
he brings it up now and then "bro you were a sick healer"
and suddenly people are like "omg level a healer! omg omg you shouldheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell"

[gloomy heart]

skrrrt

[exotic apex]

oh no, you opened pandoras box rofl

[wise gull]

Missed our princess kill because a huge storm knocked out power for basically the entire city

My place is fine but my ISP is out

No internet for almost 24hr now

[shy heron]

My ret friend likes to make a pissing contest out of sniping heals from the healer. He was a rogue first though so the behavior checks out

[oak tangle]

how are you typing

[nova kelp]

Rough, no property damage is a hella win though, long as peeps are safe

[wise gull]

Phone haha

[oak tangle]

couldn't hotspot?

[wise gull]

Yeah I’m gutted but a lot of people have it worse than me. Supposed to happen again friday though

[wise gull]

Only 1 bar where I live F

[oak tangle]

f

[nova kelp]

Powers all good? If a storm knocked out my internet my mental would probably just start to regenerate for a change lol
but if the power was out I might just perish

[shy heron]

Yeah if power's out you should probably put your phone in giga battery saving mode

[wise gull]

My grid was fine but there’s still like 30k homes without

Only had a few flickers

[nova kelp]

bleh yeah fuck losing power

everything just gets shit at that point

[runic hinge]

I got Starlink and a generator that last 5 days. I’m logging in no matter what

[nova kelp]

stuff in the fridge is on life support, it starts getting dark and you're like "might as well sleep I guess...?"

depending on where you live life without aircon is like just a fucking no go

[gloomy heart]

If my mage is on my alt account (not subbed) can i buy a transfer still

[exotic apex]

think you need an active sub to transfer anything on the account

[gloomy heart]

rip

[nova kelp]

it's fine, it's a mage, you won't miss it

[balmy condor]

Couldn’t you merge the accounts

And then make a new alt account if you need it

[gloomy heart]

@balmy condor i used to get banned alot on this main acc so id have a alt for backup but ive been good boy recently

and need my mage for pvp

[nova kelp]

oh no, black marks

the dreaded * player

tis a hard life

[wise gull]

Princess was so fun too

Prolly never gonna kill it now

[nova kelp]

princess is a fun boss, you guys won't ever reclear?

[oak tangle]

if they killed it without you

they'll 1 shot it with you next week

[nova kelp]

there's always season 4 memetimez lol

[gloomy heart]

Its on the same exact bnet

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[wise gull]

We’re extending now

[nova kelp]

yeah we're on the extension track now too

it be like that

[wise gull]

And we missed fyrakk by like 2-3 weeks so I don’t have a ton of faith this tier

[nova kelp]

gutted, the fyrakk kill felt super earned for us

the last 3 in that tier were whyld

[wise gull]

I always miss out on my favourite bosses

During SoD my guild disbanded like sub 10% painsmith

[nova kelp]

for me amir was all about tindral tay tay swift

bro, everyone disbanded in SoD

slands was balls

[wise gull]

Painsmith owned tho

[nova kelp]

I hated it at the time and I hate it even more in retrospect

[wise gull]

So did sire

[nova kelp]

I hated sire mythic

but imo the spectacle of sire in heroic was epic asf

[wise gull]

Really? It’s my fav fight probably

[nova kelp]

my fav fight will probably never be trumped in my mind

mythic black hand is THE boss of all time

[vast patio]

I still think gul'dan is the best fight since gul'dan.

[spice surge]

Tindral was a banger too

[nova kelp]

I ain't seen no gul'dan smashing the floor several times over to fighting game you into a different zone

[spice surge]

But ye blackhand real good

Guldan was like 20 minutes long, fuck that

[nova kelp]

blackhand was epic asf

that fight felt like a real pressure situation

mechanics were cool, boss was angry asf, movement looked pretty when done well, had several floors separating phases

you know what might be a hot take...
IIIIIIIIIIIIIFFFFFFFFFF you exclude the ungodly intermission phase...
sylvanas was a good boss too

[vast patio]

here's my hot take

Sylvanas is the worst designed raid boss of all time and is even worse than spine.

[nova kelp]

you had me in the first part

that second part is a banger

[vast patio]

Spine was better.

[nova kelp]

THAT is a hot take

[vast patio]

As a certified spine hater

Sylvanas is worse

[rotund oak]

only if they are under the same b-net

oh cool uve mentioned it nvm

[nova kelp]

I liked phase 1 and 3 sylv, but phase 2 is live action last avatar tier

[vast patio]

Like you can't look at heroic spine and tell me mythic sylvanas isn't worse

It's demanding, yet boring

[nova kelp]

phase 2 sylv is bad enough that it could ruin ANY boss fight, even the mythical perfect one in your head

[shy heron]

Fuck sylvanas

[lethal arrow]

someone would

[spice spire]

would

[rotund oak]

only Jaina matters

[vast patio]

If sylvanas was p3 from the start it'd be mostly fine but you have to spend like 7 minutes watching danuser wank it to sylvanas every pull.

[spice spire]

that timing is impeccable

[shy heron]

Not in a danuser way

[lethal arrow]

dont put me in the same room as alleria

wrong sister

[rotund oak]

u guys are deranged

[nova kelp]

he's about to bust out the xalatoes

[lethal arrow]

feet are certified 🤮

[shy heron]

When voljin is right there? 🌈

[wise gull]

Also the internet thing sucks extra because Im planning on moving up guilds next tier

No princess log for this guy

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/xalatath-xal'atath-feet-wow-world-of-warcraft-gif-17385860347846332910

[rotund oak]

i need the voice actor behind jaina,i rly need to ask her something

[nova kelp]

laura bailey

[rotund oak]

she's a babe

[nova kelp]

hella babe

[rotund oak]

😍

[vast patio]

should be an affix where xal's feet block your screen

[arctic tusk]

i forgot are we pandemic timering the ttk envenoms or just sending complete ignore

[vast patio]

but some degens would enjoy that

[lethal arrow]

sylvanas voice actor

[spice spire]

THERE'S A weakaura for that

[lethal arrow]

😍

[spice spire]

actually

@ember mural

[vast patio]

aw fuck no

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/laura-bailey-critical-role-innuendo-eyebrows-that's-what-she-said-gif-10437942772878272598

[rotund oak]

oh my..

3-4 babies

a house

kill me now

[spice spire]

someone shared it in raid and he has it

babies aren't that bad man

they just want what they want then they're happy

[shy heron]

I believe so yes @arctic tusk but you might want to wait to ask until assassination stops being the ot channel

[slow marsh]

Que bueno

[ember mural]

Sup

[spice spire]

give them the feet weak aura

[wise gull]

@nova kelp YOOO IM SAVED

"We will be extending the old lockout that we have saved from when we originally killed Broodtwister that has 5/8 cleared. We will rekill Ky'veza and then start Silken Court progression."

[pale socket]

depends on energy/situation/phase. during shiv/kb, send it. high energy? send it. sub 150 or so you can probably start playing pandemic

[balmy condor]

That’s me

Hi

:3

[wise gull]

Whispyr is so talented

[spice spire]

Hey king

[strange python]

okay can someone explain shiv at the end of CDs in the language stupid?

[rotund oak]

im swimming the entire atlantic if i have to 😍 GET RDY :3

[strange python]

and how do you track when to use it?

[balmy condor]

Kingsbane damage go up with time

Shiv when kingsbane big

[spice spire]

You want damage to be amped at the end because end of kb big

[wise gull]

there's a kingsbane tracker weakaura

[balmy condor]

Better than shiv when kingsbane small

[pale socket]

https://tenor.com/view/theoffice-kevin-words-gif-5865940

[manic sphinx]

Hi. Im a completely new rogue, been about a week and working in rotation through IV guide. Is there a good YT video that explains rotation both ST and Aoe that I can look at? Loving it so far!

[slow marsh]

As you apply poisons with kingsbane up, the damage grows so you want to shiv when it's peaking

[strange python]

so shiv hits big when iwhen KB ramps up?

[pale socket]

it's not shiv that hits big, it's shiv that allows KB ticks to hit big

the later the kb, the larger it can be

(e.g. last 8 sec)

[strange python]

gotcha. thanks for the help homies ill be back im sure

[pale socket]

may your stabs be deep

[onyx nymph]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[lyric solstice]

is there a way to add text to these WA icons? i.e. so I can add my keybinds?

[slate crown]

You can hardcode text into WAs if you'd like

You cannot make them dynamically/intelligently grab your keybinds (at least, not without a lot of custom effort and ambiguities you'd need to sort out)

[lyric solstice]

Ye i dont mind adding the text myself i just cant figure out how xD

[slate crown]

But if you just want to add a simple text to each for the keybind you know for each, you can do that

sure, sec

Pick an aura you want to add text to (you'll have to find it in the groups, you can use the search bar in WeakAuras at the top)

Then, go to display tab, then add text

Then, enter the text you want into the Display Text for the new text you just created (In the above example, the original has 3 texts, so the new one is called Text 4).

You can change the font/size.

In the bottom cogwheel that says "Anchors", clicking on that will let you adjust the position of the text on the icon

[torpid relic]

can anyone explain me why Kush spreading dots during big pulls instead of pressing Envenom?

He is barely presssing Envenom during DM window, he just doing garrote, rupture, CT

[lyric solstice]

Wow what a legend, thanks alot will try now

[slate crown]

np, glad you're using the pack , can always ask with more questions

[torpid relic]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxnDfi4algPpRYIkIUN6UkkRUwyNPYSrw1?si=28jZY2i6d0_a4KtT

can y'all watch this clip and explain me?

[slate crown]

bleeds go unga bunga?

idn

[torpid relic]

more than envenom?

he used first envemon after 7 gcd when he pressed DM

dang idk man

[cobalt sphinx]

damn that pull was clean

[torpid relic]

ikr

[soft surge]

write down the exact rotation he does for us

[cobalt sphinx]

never seen everything grouped that fast

you get higher numbers in a perfect pull like that for sure

[torpid relic]

whats the differance betwene outlaw and assa in dung tho?

[soft surge]

mainly no one pulling agro to early ig

[torpid relic]

im pretty sure outlaw doing more st in dung than assa

but also outlaw's aoe is not that bad right?

maybe assa can prio target?

cuz my main reason why im not playing outlaw is it lost its range xd

[cobalt sphinx]

almost every spec in the entire game does more st than assassination in dungeons

[soft surge]

wait this video was 1 month ago, imagine the dmg he does now

[cobalt sphinx]

like pretty much every spec

[torpid relic]

yup he goes crazy now

almost imed gb +17

[soft surge]

outlaw has like tripple the apm sin does

thats my reason

[torpid relic]

assa st is so ass damn

like i have never played this kind of game style in ST before

[bright tartan]

when I'm hitting bosses in m+ it reminds me of vanilla gameplay

[runic hinge]

Get some adhd meds

[short quarry]

does sin single target suck in m+ build? Feels real bad at 617 ilvl. simming around 800k

[oak tangle]

ngl

i have no idea what y'all issues are with m+ st

[short quarry]

energy goes bye bye

[oak tangle]

yeah but that's this spec in all content

literal only except is aoe

raid build still lsoes energy

[short quarry]

i mean i tried simming just a blindside m+ build and it wasnt much better

not full raid build but i hate the energy starvation

doesnt help tho

[oak tangle]

play ttk and then you can keep up envenom with less stress

will it help dps idk

but probs feel better if you really have an issue with it

[short quarry]

ya i see a lot of people running it but it doesnt help that much

i'd rather have lower damage and a faster playstyle

lower abilities with more energy

but i guess that fucks our aoe

but regardless of playstyle m+ st is low. feels like old ret. good aoe bad st

[cunning needle]

i dont have blindside procs

[oak tangle]

maybe peeps just need to learn to be patient

[cunning needle]

no

[oak tangle]

the hard part for some with a energy capped spec

[cunning needle]

there's something about assi downtime that just makes me hate playing it

sub has downtime but i dont hate it nearly as much

[oak tangle]

i mean sub your constantly looking to the next window

and 30s is shorter than 1min

[short quarry]

i wouldnt mind if the damage was higher but your st is ass compared to a lot of specs

[oak tangle]

i like that you cant have it both ways

[short quarry]

ret can. enhance can. warriors are even better balanced

[visual sun]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[oak tangle]

what i dislike is how basically in raid we swap one talent, and that swap isn't even impactful

[short quarry]

caustic is pretty impactful

if you have adds

[oak tangle]

caustic is default, not the swap

internal bleeding is the underwheling thing

[short quarry]

you def swap out on pure st

[oak tangle]

swapping for 15k dps

is cringe

[short quarry]

ill take it

[oak tangle]

make me take other talents down the bottom

[subtle tundra]

but this is good

[oak tangle]

im not complaining about 15k more

[subtle tundra]

imagine swapping to aoe and losing a significant amount of dmg

[oak tangle]

im complaining that the only change is to change that one talent

you dont press different buttons

single target bosses boil down to, "did you change that one talent"

[short quarry]

im complaining that the m+ build just feels dry as nails on st

[oak tangle]

brood twister is at least interesting with the CT funnel

needs more fo that in raid

[subtle tundra]

i love when i get outdpsd by the aug!

keeps me going

[oak tangle]

heck, cook some cleave talent, that is an alternative to IC, that makes all bleeds cast on 2 targets, but you can only have 2 bleeds out

[subtle tundra]

cock some talent...

[oak tangle]

sub already has replicating shadows, they literally have a better rupture on 2 target than the damn bleed spec

[subtle tundra]

well

id rather there be no IC at all

so i can actually rupture stuff

only time i do that is when we chain pull

[shy heron]

I'm glad that sub actually has 2 target dominance because it was a huge blind spot for the spec for the longest time

[oak tangle]

sub has ST dominance, it's just that sin does good cleave

[subtle tundra]

nah

assa doesnt do good cleave

it does good aoe

good cleave is outlaw

[shy heron]

I played er sub in late shadow lands and you're not gonna successfully convince me dreadlords was not literally showing up to your own hanging

[oak tangle]

fair, i guess cleave is more considered constant small target, i meant intermittent aoe

[shy heron]

Assa does fantastic cleave imo and that should be celebrated

[oak tangle]

right, but if fights like brood and queen didn't exist, sub would be prefered raid spec

[shy heron]

Perhaps, but that's not how it is

[oak tangle]

but i would like a solution to 2 target fights, that isn't jsut the ST build, and doesn't involve IC (or atleast ic on a 2 min cd that competes with our hero talent)

[golden loom]

Tried Forced Induction over 2x lethality on heroic ansurek yesterday, felt very nice

not sure if its better but felt more fun atleast

[rare isle]

Saving vault for tomorrow, oh how it must be cooking some good stuff!

[subtle tundra]

you, uh, notice it?

[golden loom]

I mean more than lethality atleast

like I saw some big ass envenom crits

[subtle tundra]

😕

[lyric solstice]

Is there a way to increase the size of all of the assassination core icons? Or have to do one by one

[golden loom]

also from my ansurek log, is this just the most insane blindside luck of all time???

[slate crown]

2 ways, the quickest way would be to just adjust the group scale.

The second way is to adjust the resizing in the Custom Grow code, where I override the width/height settings to ensure a uniform size

but that's harder to do

[lyric solstice]

yep group scale was the one i was looking for TY 🙂

[slate crown]

Going one by one won't work because I override the size settings in the Grow

[subtle tundra]

[glad osprey]

my god i went like 2 months without knowing that mutilate gives caustic splatter and fan of knives does not

im so dumb

LMAO

Wtf

at least i know now LOL

[oak tangle]

😮

we need to make reading tooltips mandatory

[runic hinge]

I will not read

(cannot)

[west crown]

Wow players continue to amaze (including myself)

[dawn heath]

anyone has a good shiv weakaura i don't like all the kingsbane weakauras i just want a shiv icon to lit up when its 8s left of kingsbane i don't need a KB icon or anything like that

[rotund oak]

create a custom one and add the condition

[slate crown]

!wa both LE and Whispyr’s shiv icons do exactly that

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[rotund oak]

u can copy whispyr's condition

[robust jasper]

anyone know of a bug that could make fatebound coin as assa hit way too hard?

[rotund oak]

i dont understand what thats supposed to be

like u flip a coin and all of sudden do stupid amounts of dmg?

[robust jasper]

fatebound coin hit for 1.15mil

[rotund oak]

no im not aware

thats wild though

[robust jasper]

yeah it like killed me from 50-0 insta haha

[gloomy heart]

I need to gear my FIRE mage

looks fun

[quiet oar]

I mean it was a crit

[subtle tundra]

well

[quiet oar]

Just dodge the Coin !?

[subtle tundra]

if he got a 10stacker

and it crit

idk much about pvp

rng ass hero talent

[quiet oar]

rng deez nuts

[subtle tundra]

😼

[balmy condor]

This doesn’t look that crazy

760k envenom and a 1.15mil coin is totally reasonable

[devout mist]

hey peeps quick question, is supercharge trackable on a WA? cuz i cant seem to be able to get it working

[cobalt sphinx]

Should’ve called tails bozo

[robust jasper]

1.15 mil coin is egregiously high

[balmy condor]

Is it?

[robust jasper]

this is what coin looks like as outlaw

yes

in pvp thats way too high

[balmy condor]

Well yeah

[robust jasper]

one thing I think is tr4ue is that shiv buffs coin

so thats 30%

[balmy condor]

Outlaw doesn’t buff the coin

[robust jasper]

but idk what else

[balmy condor]

Shiv

Mastery

I mean

[robust jasper]

mastery!?!?!?!

buffs coin!?!?!?

[balmy condor]

Yes

Yes

[robust jasper]

rofl

okay thats probalby most of it

[balmy condor]

In raids my coins regularly crit higher than envenom

[robust jasper]

but still thats 100% higher than mine

double damage

[balmy condor]

It’s very common

[robust jasper]

I buff coin by 15%

with ghostly strike

[balmy condor]

Okay

[robust jasper]

yeah in pve my coin hits harder too

but in pvp its different cuz vers dam reduction and stuff

[balmy condor]

Shiv is 30 and mastery is like 60?

[robust jasper]

hmm

I cant get it to hit that hard on a dummy though as assa outside of a bg

[balmy condor]

Tea is extra mastery

[robust jasper]

yeah maybe Im just missing enough mastery

interesting

[quiet oar]

I mean its cosmic dmg

[balmy condor]

Vanish to double flip

[robust jasper]

wild

we won the game so im not mad but thtas kinda insane

haha

[shrewd night]

[quiet oar]

Would you say, the game was a coinflip?

[robust jasper]

go home

[royal lantern]

i never thlught about that lmao

[quiet oar]

I wish i could

[royal lantern]

like, imagine losing PvP literally because of a coin Flip

"yeha, they got tails a couple times at the start and it did 2million dmg"

[shrewd night]

https://i.imgflip.com/3w9teu.jpg

Whisp flipped his coin too hard

[quiet oar]

I mean

[robust jasper]

I mean lol

[quiet oar]

Just imagine this happens

What do you do !?

[robust jasper]

tbh I think thats why more assas are playing fatebound

1.2 mil coin is insane

[royal lantern]

when you get tails 12x in a row (your ranged dps are about to stand still and cast instead of moving and wipe the raid)

[quiet oar]

You know what more insane

14 Million Envenom on a 100% dmg amp

I like big numbers

[gloomy heart]

i shall be the only fire mage alive

(alt)

[quiet oar]

Well i have fire mage too

well

its more like a kindle mage

[silver wyvern]

in raid do you guys use fatebound except pure single target ?

[vast patio]

Making me want to try fatebound

[quasi coyote]

yo so with subterfuge, on st opener in M+, after appling mark and bleeds, should i press mutilate or ambush for the remaining subterfuge window?

[gloomy heart]

ambush it applies caustic aswell

[quasi coyote]

well for st

disregarding caustic

[gloomy heart]

Ambush ig

[quasi coyote]

does spamming ambush in sub constantly reapply mark or nah

also, if i apply mark while i have darkest night, does darkenst night still function the same

[blazing pumice]

it still does the proc yes

[neon lava]

I have a question about my log, on why my dmg is still low compared to how it looks on the analyzer, anyone who i can dm to talk about this so i maybe can get it into my peanut brain?

[blazing pumice]

never ambush unless applying mark

except in raid build where you use blindside procs

[blazing warren]

Hey guys, first pull of Grim Batol, if we are getting the patrol but after the first knock from dragon, do i just wait or unload as fast as i can?

[blazing pumice]

idk probably just unload

dragon is prio

[midnight wing]

In grim you can unload all in start cause you have time due dragons etc

[shy marten]

Is this bugging

When I ambush for mark with DN up my finishers don’t consume the mark stacks

[sweet sinew]

I seem to have quite low Envenom damage. Other stuff doesn't seem that low. Any obvious answers?

[blazing pumice]

only 7 cp finishers consume dn

[shy marten]

No no

Reread what I wrote

[blazing pumice]

i don't know

i usually consume the dn so i never notice

[normal mist]

You can't consume marks with DN up

You must force that DN first

[cyan karma]

You need to spend DN before you can consume DSM stacks… so you need to 7 cp envenom

[shy marten]

Is that the fix they did so it didn’t bug out

[normal mist]

Idk

[quiet oar]

Its so Hard

[normal mist]

That's just how it is since September

[quiet oar]

To not think of deez nuts

[normal mist]

XD

[shy marten]

Oh well this only happens when you misplay anyway

Not too important just something I noticed that I thought maybe was strange

[blazing pumice]

i don't think dsm gives much damage anyway

idk

[normal mist]

Yeah it's not about the mark alone

[shy marten]

Consuming the mark gives big benefits

So not being able to consume the stacks is annoying

[blazing pumice]

but you have the mark

[cyan karma]

I actually like it, and think it’s nearly intended… almost never run into this problem any more, makes you play better… DN > ambush

[shy marten]

Yeah it’s just a bit annoying

And it shouldn’t work like this

[normal mist]

There was a point in time where it wasn't like this

[shy marten]

Anyhow, on another note, I should be attempting to use the mark with 5cp finishers right?

[normal mist]

And we could consume a 7cp DN and a mark at the same time

[normal mist]

You can only consume them with 5+

So all your finishers should be 5+

[shy marten]

That’s not what I asked 😭

[blazing pumice]

you need 7cp

[normal mist]

Sorry 9 am I'm sleeping

[shy marten]

I said 5 not 5+

[normal mist]

Oh

My answer stands

[runic hinge]

5 or more

7 for darkest night

[shy marten]

It seems to me like I’m wasting energy doing 6cp or 7cp finishers when I could do 5

[normal mist]

You aren't

Because you don't FORCE 6 OR 7 unless dn

[shy marten]

Like sometimes I’m at 5cp and I hit the mob with a garrote before I envenom

[normal mist]

If pandemic, nice

[shy marten]

But I feel like I’ve now lost combo points I could use on my next finisher to get the mark used up quicker

[normal mist]

I don't think you understand

What 5+ means

5+ = 5 or more

If you mutilate twice and get 6, you didn't waste anything

[shy marten]

Yeah but that’s not what I’m talking about

[normal mist]

Then I've no clue what you're saying

[shy marten]

I’m saying when I DO have a choice between finishing with 5 or more

I feel like I should quickly use my finisher first before building anymore CP

[runic hinge]

Right….

[normal mist]

Exactly

[runic hinge]

That’s correct

[normal mist]

That's what I'm saying all along

[shy marten]

Like if I could pick at what CP to cast my finishers I should pick 5 because the mark comes off faster

[runic hinge]

You can’t pick tho

[normal mist]

Yeah..

[runic hinge]

Seal fate is a thing

[normal mist]

CRIT and seal fate exist

Ahah tony tag team

[runic hinge]

[fair star]

!bugs

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[shy marten]

I mean things like in shiv I could mut for spatter then already have 5 CP for a env

And there I shouldn’t keep building

[normal mist]

Aren't you overthinking it?

Really hard?

[quiet oar]

[sullen phoenix]

hmm huys are servers down?

[normal mist]

Just apply the rules:

• if in pandemic, reapply dots;
• if 5 or more cps, use a finisher.

[shy marten]

Well I just want to make sure there isn’t a point to build CP past 5 except for DN

[quasi coyote]

so only press ambush in subtertfuge to apply mark if not already on target, and no dn?

[normal mist]

There isn't

[quasi coyote]

then mutilate?

[shy marten]

Ok good

[normal mist]

In ST yes

In AoE FoK

[quasi coyote]

yea my inital ? was for M+ ST

[normal mist]

Oh yeah just ambush IF you need dsm

If you don't, mut

[quasi coyote]

yea lol ive been just pressing ambush like 3 times

not thinking about it

prob not the end of the world tho

[normal mist]

Me too because I can't be bothered getting a mutilate keybind

In stealth bar

It isn't the end of the world

[quasi coyote]

yea...

[shy marten]

Don’t your action bar change once you’re out of stealth

[normal mist]

Subterfuge

Hehehe

[quasi coyote]

yea my ambush changes to mutilate

[shy marten]

I only get 1 button in my stealth bars then it changes

[quasi coyote]

so itsa gonna b rough

pressing a diff keybind

[normal mist]

That's because we're talking m+

And we have subterfuge

Not raid ST

[shy marten]

Maybe I am playing outdated talents in my m+

[quasi coyote]

subterfuge so nice tho i can get bleeds goin and then apply mark to prio mob

[clever sapphire]

my stealthbar and normal bar are same, and i still have my ambush keybind from back when ambush was an extra button when blindside procced

still pressing it to this day

even when blindside procs

[quasi coyote]

yea same but for outlaw ambush

b4 they made it same button xd

[clever sapphire]

i refuse to press mutilate when blindside procs

[midnight scroll]

is it worth crafting 2 Everforged Stabbers (instead of using Regicide and Blood Kissed Kukri) and going with Radiant Power instead of Authority of the Depths?

[quiet oar]

Based

[quasi coyote]

if its not mythic then yea probably

and i use radiant power for M+

[clever sapphire]

sim moment, crafting offhand weapon is whatever since offhand only contributes stats

[quasi coyote]

depths better for st

[clever sapphire]

also for me radiant sims better for ST and aoe

[quasi coyote]

really?

[clever sapphire]

yap

[quasi coyote]

thats cool ig

[midnight scroll]

well off hand kukri gives crit and vers, i'd rather take a bit more mastery while i'm at it

[quasi coyote]

its 626?

[midnight scroll]

ye hero 6/6

[clever sapphire]

you can just sim it if you are thinking about it, you can add items in top gear in the search bar at the top, with stats/embellish and all that stuff

[sweet sinew]

I might have figured out why my Envenom dps is so low. I might let the 2x stack Envenom buff drop now and then. And that's because I cast it too often with too much combo points.

[quiet oar]

Stats are a lie

they are all the same kinda

for sin

[quasi coyote]

yea if u don t have a 639 dagger then crafting a 2nd one is not bad

[clever sapphire]

yap

[quasi coyote]

assuming u already have ur embellishment

[clever sapphire]

thats why im going for 100% haste, 10 more actions per minute or smth like that, gonna get me rank 1 just you wait

[midnight scroll]

this is totally different than the icyveins guide 😄 had to stumble upon a random guy to even think about this

[shy marten]

Doesn’t ttk work like ironfur

[midnight scroll]

yea i do, bracers and boots

[royal lantern]

ye it does

[quiet oar]

Im trying to get 40% on my Fire mage

kinda hard

im at 39%

[clever sapphire]

for me ironfur works like ttk, because i barely know ironfur

[quasi coyote]

i was gonna craft a 2nd dagger at 636 but then got 1 from vault

[clever sapphire]

just get pi

[sweet sinew]

what the hell is ttk?

[clever sapphire]

problem solved

[clever sapphire]

2 stack envenom buff