assassination

[pliant remnant]

but of course he needed it

faaantastic

[warm vortex]

Lmao

[bold jetty]

After rupture, then you can time minigame with deatmark

[warm vortex]

never run GB with aigl clases

[pliant remnant]

I'm going to run myself off a cliff instead

[balmy condor]

yeh so this is misinfo created by brainless peons with no understanding of how anything works, cause it still stacks itself off of fok, and sims aren't coded to hit the spyglass target to begin with so even if it didn't like target swapping, the sims would be accurate to that too. It's just a good trinket with like a 30% uptime it isn't deep

[warm vortex]

No good items >:((((((((((((

[clever sapphire]

Bro has even delves filled

Thats some commitment

Do you already have myth chest and myth rings?

[warm vortex]

Bro im simming but i think this is just token week

[hot fulcrum]

Maybe collecting echos for memories achievement 🙂

[warm vortex]

Think the honly upgrade is gonna be the boots

because its the only myth item i don't have

[clever sapphire]

Wouldnt know what that is, i only touch keys and raid

[warm vortex]

I could socket an item but idk X)
might just get my ilevel up and swallow the fact im getting haste

[clever sapphire]

I havent simmed for so long, if i can upgrade a hero track to myth i take it

[clever sapphire]

I will start simming when im max ilvl

[warm vortex]

Im like

623

*632

So i sim

bro it's not even a fucking upgrade

Well it is

because i can upgrade it higher

[clever sapphire]

Im 631 and still dont sim

[craggy oyster]

Got my Skardyn mythic

[warm vortex]

but im replacing a hero crit/mast item with a myth haste/mast

[clever sapphire]

Myth > hero

[warm vortex]

Got a 14 NW key 🤮

[clever sapphire]

Me smart and ignore stats, me cant be annoyed, me happy little rogue

[clever sapphire]

NW was my last 12

People just suck ass for the last 2 bosses

[warm vortex]

I havent even done it on a 12

ive only done it on a 10 lmao

[clever sapphire]

Be prepared to get spanked by last 2 bosses

[warm vortex]

Im 633 now though :O

[clever sapphire]

Also the add on last boss as assa

[warm vortex]

Bro on a 14

[clever sapphire]

I just caaaaant

[warm vortex]

it's not a spanking

It's a fucking

at that point

But my haste is so highy yuck

[karmic jewel]

finally skardyn's

[warm vortex]

it goes to 10% when the chemical flask triggers it that is so gross

[clever sapphire]

10% is 1 more cast per minute right? Maaaaaassive

Or how did the math go again

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-holding-head-cat-sad-cat-rahh-wahhhh-gif-11843610789762008433

[rotund oak]

ggs,won the game

[warm vortex]

Time for arms and BM vauly

[pliant remnant]

[tough hare]

Hello brainless peon with no understanding here, does this mean spyglass is undersimming ? 😅

[subtle tundra]

no

it means people dont know how it works

[bronze plover]

which one should i choose i think socket is better one

[balmy condor]

no, it means there's too many dumbfuck mplussers in this world that don't know how items work and just make shit up about trinkets that sim perfectly and work perfectly

[dawn heath]

good damage?

[runic hinge]

No

[tough hare]

Cheers just making sure, good day

[warm vortex]

sim

[stray breach]

Does anyone know if Egg Trinket from Ovinax sims higher than the expected output?
ive got an 626 skardyn 639 ovinax egg and now got myth track sac-brood in vault.
Per guide its rated as B-Tier, not that good but my sim says its better than the guide rated S-Tier Ara-Kara.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f59BXVCrjwN8FCxwnRdN2g
or does it assume perfect 20/10 gameplay.

[balmy condor]

it assumes 20/10

in difficult content like endboss mythic for example you can knock around 0.7%ish off of it

so in your case

it would still be better probably

but not by a lot

[warm vortex]

If you get mythic MqM from vault

it would be 639 right

[warm vessel]

So when my spyglass was simming higher than anything else I have I was right in using it and not listening to the target swap propaganda nice

[balmy condor]

if you killed mythic queen sure

[warm vessel]

Btw new to rogue. Are we using dslice sims to for m+?

[west crown]

appreciate the correction

[stray breach]

@balmy condor ty for the explanation

[balmy condor]

np

[jovial idol]

Ez

[royal lantern]

yes

[warm vessel]

Ty much appreciated

[warm vortex]

HOLY SHIT GUYS

TOTALLY REAL VAULT!

[oak tangle]

that's crazy

[warm vessel]

Another socket week

[oak tangle]

literally unbelievable luck right there

[warm vortex]

was a 1/59437297489 chance

i know because my dad works at blizzard

promise

[warm vessel]

Crazy lucky

[balmy condor]

this is why you should do your delves amen

never know what it might give you

[warm vortex]

Yea you night find queen in them

[runic hinge]

We love delves

[warm vortex]

Its onlyeven there cause i started doing them thinking you could get more than 6 tokens a week, then i just went for immortal spelunl

[clever sapphire]

do delves give valorstones?

or flightstones or whatever its called

[warm vortex]

Idk

ok im being honest

Im strarting to enjoy delves on my hunter

rogue they are still bad

[subtle tundra]

👎

[clever sapphire]

dont think im ever gonna like delves, unless they rework it and call it torghast

[cobalt sphinx]

choreghast

take me back

[clever sapphire]

i miss torghast

[warm vortex]

Dude

fuck torghast

one of the biggest dissapointments in wow for me

actually for me since i started playing a bit in like

midish bfa

[clever sapphire]

i mean i liked torghast but not that much

[warm vortex]

it has been one of the biggest dissapointments

[clever sapphire]

i started mid S2 of SL

until i understood that i had to grind torghast i could already spam it

so for me it was a lot of fun

just made sure to not play with shaman healers

that shit was broken

[oak tangle]

i actually enjoyed torghast

but im also the kinda person who misses AP

[warm vortex]

Artifact power?

I was too socially anxious at the time to play tourgjast with other ppl

[clever sapphire]

i just slammed the boss rush torghast mode

played it alone

[proven belfry]

hi

do i send double 639 weapon and go double dawnthread?

or is ascension to obig to drop the 3 ilvl on weap

[clever sapphire]

offhand doesnt matter much, embellishments are around 1-2% of your dmg so its not big

but the best answer is always gonna be

[proven belfry]

sim urself

kek

[clever sapphire]

sim to win

yap

you know it

i had a brainfart

[proven belfry]

i play keys only

[clever sapphire]

in keys dawnthread is probably a lot better

[median bane]

Then sim dungeon slice and find out

[clever sapphire]

afaik ascension needs uptime or smth like that to stack up

[harsh ravine]

Hi,

I want to track the amount of silence I landed in a m+, is there a detail add on to add it in crowd control tab ?

[clever sapphire]

not sure how it works, all i know is that its not the best for keys if you really wanna minmax

[median bane]

Could just log the keys and count it if u rly interested

[harsh ravine]

ye sure, I wanted to know if you were using a simplier way

ty

[blazing warren]

Do you do log reviews here?

[clever sapphire]

ye kinda, just send in the log with context and someone usually looks at it

[normal mist]

Someone usually being quake the chad

[clever sapphire]

i mean he is just built different when it comes to log reviews

[normal mist]

He's the goat for real

@spice spire we love you

[blazing warren]

Well, if you could look at this and just check the rotation if thats possible, i feel like im doing okay with it but maybe not, the details showed 1.7m which doesnt really matter
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jCKgTqfnFZAMDzLv#fight=last
I feel like i should be doing more for that ilvl, especially considering that im doing 500-800k more on an Outlaw

[clever sapphire]

aight i suck at key reviews so im just gonna say the basic thing and maybe someone who is good at key reviews will correct me. Its a 10 so mobs already wont live your cooldowns, you had 2 blasters with you meaning you got even less time to actually do dmg.
Outlaw does dmg the second it comes out of stealth, assa builds up its dmg

[unique plume]

When we sim can we use dungeon slice? Or is patchwork best?

[clever sapphire]

in that key you probably spread your bleeds and all and by that time the other 2 already killed a few targets, meaning you got less aoe value meaning lower overall dmg

also assa ST in keys is kinda mid so that doesnt help the overall either

[clever sapphire]

dslice for dungeons, patchwerk for ST

[blazing warren]

But should i be doing that bad? Especially on ST

And on aoe as well

For first pull for example, i think i did 7 Grrotes and 7 Ruptures (i dont feel comfortable enough to look who gets a dot and who doesnt to snipe a target without for the max value) and then went into cds

Feel like the first pull lived long enough

But i didnt really do that much

The first pull i did 3.3m

For so many mobs feels rather low?

[stray breach]

thats a lot of globals for a 10 key, and with those 2 other blasters half the pack, the small ones are probably dead, usually on those pulls 5m+ dps

[clever sapphire]

aaaaah you dont have skardyns

[jaunty dew]

The gods are with me today

[clever sapphire]

well you dont have skardyns and its a 10, 3.3m is normal factoring in that you dont have a trinket for your cooldowns

[jaunty dew]

Sacbrood last week, Grace this week

[blazing warren]

Should i only do 6 Garrotes and 6 Ruptures then go instantly to Envenom?

Yeah i dont have Skardyns yet, im trying to farm it haha

But should 1 trinket make that big of a difference?

[clever sapphire]

ye skardyns gonna jump your overall a lot

[blazing warren]

I have the crit one+Ara Kara

Arent bad

[jaunty dew]

Already got the HC version but true, I was considering giving up on filling vault with 10s just for that trinket

And focus on only pushing 13s

[desert crest]

@blazing warren It looks like u arnt using vanish for master assasin in ur deathmark window

[clever sapphire]

i also only do that in ST if i know i wont need vanish in the future

[stray breach]

I cant really argue but an extra garrote and rupture for 1 more mob rather than going into caustic spatter aoe seems "wasted" for me. especially if the dots wont even tick full duration

[desert crest]

i mean that is fair but the crit is huge dmg in aoe aswell

[clever sapphire]

yap thats true

[cobalt sphinx]

Tempest on the necromancer pulls

[clever sapphire]

i mean in low keys i like spreading bleeds to everything and just seeing a big sudden demise in details

[blazing warren]

So should i just do the opener for bleeds and go into Spatter as fast as possible then? It does say on wowhead that people often overestimate the bleeds in aoe

[clever sapphire]

yap spatter and CT is your big dmg

bleeds are there for energy mostly

[blazing warren]

I try to Vanish like it says on Wowhead, after Shiv

But sometimes i might forget thats true

[clever sapphire]

this is also the reason why "low" keys might suck for you, you dont get into cooldowns, so you dont get to do big spatter dmg, so you have lower overall

[jaunty dew]

Once you got garrote - rup - rup - I would usually prio env to go into spatter straight away

Even if there is extra mobs around

[stray breach]

just take some lowlvl grps and be the op hero

[blazing warren]

Yeah i only been doing 7-8 Grim Batol for the last 3 days for the trinket
I did the 10 just to check how i would do on a key where mobs dont die in the time i put up Crimson Tempest LOL

[jaunty dew]

But it really depends on the comp

If you have a comp that is not very kick friendly, you might want to garrote some more to silence mobs and get them grouped better

[blazing warren]

I honestly just applied to a random 10 that had tank and healer, didint even notice they were such ilvl blasters haha

[clever sapphire]

problem is, mobs still kinda die before you can fully go into your cooldowns on a 10

this is also why outlaw is gonna feel better for you, you start the pull with already 90% of your dps probably (i dont know outlaw currently but thats how i understand the spec)

assa you build up a ton before you start going into blaster mode

[jaunty dew]

I think a lot of 10s are filled with blasters just filling vault

Esp on reset day

[blazing warren]

Yeah as Outlaw you kinda just blast straight away, as long as you get that Ruthless Precission RNG pop

[warm vessel]

I see most top rogues running blessed weapon grip + dawn over 2x Dawnthread. Is this a gear thing or how come that's the case when most recommend 2x Dawn

[blazing warren]

Plus on start of key you have 4 Superchargers guaranteed so that helps Ace procs a lot on first pulls

[jaunty dew]

Embelishment are like 1-2% change at best.

[desert crest]

yeah assa does like no dmg in start of pull

[jaunty dew]

Don't stress over it

[clever sapphire]

gear thing, preference thing, sim thing probably

[desert crest]

and ur cooldowns only start doing dmg after a short while

[clever sapphire]

i dont think there is a definitive "winner", they probably just simmed when they first crafted and they stuck with it

just how i did also

[warm vessel]

Was thinking of swapping to outlaw for 10keys as well to try if it's better. Having kingsbane targets die with tish secs left is a feels bad

[oak tangle]

low key

[warm vessel]

Fair. I just copied that coz I made the rogue last week and needed a 636 wep so might as well get it embellished

[oak tangle]

kingsbane isn't even that important

[desert crest]

yeah it is more deathmark

[oak tangle]

i mean it's nice

but envenom and bleeds do so much damage

[clever sapphire]

as stated in the pins, its around 1-2% of your dmg no matter which one you craft

and mainhand weapon is always gonna be your biggest gain

[clever sapphire]

spatter and CT

[jaunty dew]

Depends on the content imo, I'm running Ascencion because I also raid. And I won't sacrifice my sanity in recrafting gear every raid night xD

[clever sapphire]

imo

[warm vessel]

Yeah I'm not overly worried. That's why I did Wep instantly too for the power spike

[blazing warren]

Thank you guys for the look on the log, i will try to get some 12-13 and maybe post here as well to have the mobs die a little slower, or try to find some 10 with low ilvl players

[jaunty dew]

I am swapping enchants though which is kinda hefty on gold butyeah

[warm vessel]

Some more mastery on a proc also feels nice

[clever sapphire]

i run dawnthread and i also raid (well just started again but still)

[oak tangle]

that's what i mean

[jaunty dew]

It's rough to keep over 80%

[clever sapphire]

its so minimal that i do not care

[jaunty dew]

There's a lot of hurt xD

[desert crest]

Yeah at +12 assa really begins to feel much much better best of luck too u

[jaunty dew]

Best thing about 12+ is no affix

[blazing pumice]

https://www.archon.gg/wow/builds/assassination/rogue/mythic-plus/gear-and-tier-set/high-keys/all-dungeons/this-week#gear-tables

[warm vessel]

Then again I also saw top raid logs running blessed grip and dawn. So it's as murlock says very minor

[oak tangle]

time to go hunting for some 12's

[clever sapphire]

so real

any time im in a key under 12 i just have to deal with those affixes

and me dislike

[dense prism]

my boots are currently 558
but the dagger that it propose me is a heroic one what should i take?
a hero dagger with crit and mastery
or champ boots?

[clever sapphire]

that was on our ovinax kill yesterday

[limber lion]

Take the dagger

[clever sapphire]

and the guild is kinda mid

[limber lion]

You can get boots from anywhere

you'll upgrade them sooner than later

[jaunty dew]

How were your healers?

[dry dagger]

Not the best of vaults

[clever sapphire]

healing logs were 1 green and 3 gray (one of the grays had a 1 in the log )

[jaunty dew]

Oh damn

[dense prism]

which one it should replace ?

from left to right the substats are
crit-vers-speed
crit-vers

[clever sapphire]

i also had a 3 healing log

its really not that hard to keep up the buff

[jaunty dew]

You ran 2x BDK?

[clever sapphire]

2bdk and 1 veng dh

as i said, pretty mid guild

and it was first kill

but the fact that i had a 3 healing log and was never scared of dying kinda says a lot

never even had to use a pot

[jaunty dew]

Oh you went 3/4/13?

Nice

[clever sapphire]

make sure you have the 610 in your mainhand (left weapon slot)

[jaunty dew]

We're on ovinax now but the parasites are nightmarish

[clever sapphire]

fun fact, it was my first night back to raiding yesterday and i never did ovinax

but boss seemed pretty easy with al the grips

[dense prism]

wait does it change something???

[clever sapphire]

mainhand weapon contributes to like 95% of the dmg, offhand weapon is only there for the stats it gives

[dense prism]

oooh

[clever sapphire]

thats why often offhand daggers with green text are better even on lower ilvl

because they only give you stats

[clever sapphire]

parasites are fine imo, its people standing in swirlies or not breaking eggs thats gonna drive you nuts

[jaunty dew]

If you dont break an egg its a wipe

Almost no way around it

Swirlies yeah you need like 3 brain cells to dodge

I'm the RL so I get to play the weakaura marker games

Instead of WoW 😄

[clever sapphire]

that sounds like a looooooot of fun

[jaunty dew]

ikr?

[clever sapphire]

im never raidleading again

did it in SL

[warm vessel]

I always assumed I had at least 3 but now I see it's 2 at best

[clever sapphire]

feck that job

[jaunty dew]

Imagine having a boss that doesn't need wa

[clever sapphire]

also fun fact, on the kill try our rl forgot to set markers for the first set of eggs and we just yolod it

[warm vessel]

I just wish I discovered that rogue is fun a bit earlier

If you think playing WA is bad imagine playing a ww for that boss

[clever sapphire]

i havent seen a ww monk for so long

[jaunty dew]

I mean after it was nerfed to 8 seconds it can be done without it if you have people who actually WATCH the game

And don't have a UI the hides every small element in it

[clever sapphire]

i think my ui was all around the place xD

but ye you will just have to accept that often people gonna miss an egg

because of hitbox or whatever

or they are blind and cant find the right egg

after you get past that, boss is free

[jaunty dew]

That and having enough yoinks for parasites

xD

We trid it with bdk + vdh but sigil is so awkward on that fight

even with the knockbacks

[clever sapphire]

we had 2 blood dks, 1 veng dh, and 1 frost dk

so i think we had all the grips

but sometimes parasites still ran out

its just a trial and error thing

gotta get used to it

[jaunty dew]

Yeah I think the 1st set is the hardest

Becaues its the one where the parasite eggs are farthest apart

The rest are more together

[clever sapphire]

tbh the guild had already like 100 pulls on that boss, i just joined at the correct time

so they probably had the grips figured out already

xD

[jaunty dew]

Yeah we only had 1 night on it

[clever sapphire]

also getting freedom on that boss is so nice

not having to deal with the webs

[jaunty dew]

We went princess first, got to intermission nice and proper

And one of my healers had to drop

:\

[clever sapphire]

i somehow think princess is gonna be easier on the mechanics part than ovinax

not sure why

[jaunty dew]

Its much less chaotic

Its a scripted dance

Once you get the movement down and the healers can pull through intermission

[limber lion]

it's another payphone fight

ranged taking 2 steps to the right and back to the left

meanwhile melee zooming around everywhere

[clever sapphire]

ah ye i watched fired up or someone do it

[jaunty dew]

Yeah

[clever sapphire]

he was barely moving

and than i watched melee

https://tenor.com/view/christmas-christmas-eve-rush-xmas-shopping-gif-12278655044468108016

this was melee

pretty muc

[jaunty dew]

If you're stacking more than 9-10 melee, incl tanks+mw/hpala

[clever sapphire]

h

[jaunty dew]

You're fucked

like mw can still be ranged somewhat

but hpala is def melee

[dry dagger]

Am I wrong in thinking melee is more difficult than ranged?

[jaunty dew]

Nope, most expansions/raids have been very melee unfriendly

[limber lion]

Absolutely is.

Casters have their own issues

[jaunty dew]

But not nearly as much

And rogues are even doubly so with the amount of bs that yoinks you out of stealth

[limber lion]

Casters tend to die a lot, especially at lower levels, because people try to finish their casts/channels and mess up a mechanic

Hunters on the other hand are easily the easiest class because they barely have any casts and they can freely move all the time

[royal lantern]

the serious answer is : "its not a statement you can say like that, it changes on a fight-to-fight basis"

[limber lion]

So they get the range benefit without being punished with casts

[clever sapphire]

i remember our old bm hunter saying he wont play mm even if its better because its too hard because of the cast times

[limber lion]

Yeah, sounds about right. :P Aimed Shot too difficult

And it's also your biggest damaging ability, so it feels really bad if you have to cancel it because of mechanics

Or idk anymore, but at least used to be

Haven't touched Hunter in a few years

[clever sapphire]

last time i checked out mm hunter, hero trees werent even talked about yet

[jaunty dew]

i think its easier to pull off mm now

because of the amount of stuff buffing as

[clever sapphire]

but isnt bm just 2 button spam

and moving

freely

that sounds easier than standing still

[royal lantern]

use kill command when its ready, keep the barbed shot buff up

thats BM

[limber lion]

So the gameplay loop is still the same

For like the past 10 years or whatever

lol

[royal lantern]

yeha sorry i forgot

use killshot when it procs

which actually started a outrage that bm is getting "bloated" btw

[torpid lion]

raid was pog tonight

[clever sapphire]

ye i mean they have to press 3 movement buttons and 3 rotational buttons?

thats like 4 buttons too much

[final star]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7YNUjebWeF1Lfu6xQFwY4R

got the mythic crest cost reduction once I get crests

[limber lion]

Even though I didn't think it was that big of a problem, Assa definitely had some button bloat but we're chilling now for sure

[limber lion]

gzgz

[royal lantern]

ye sure in rogues regard

[final star]

over crafted ring

[royal lantern]

even if i think that the tea change should be solved different

[final star]

and fuck egg I don't want that number go up trinket

[royal lantern]

and that Symbols of Death should get the axe tbh

[limber lion]

Yeah, the tea thing I'm not the biiiigest fan either, but it's so whatever that I try not to care

[final star]

REAL

I prefer if it was built around sectech

and not sod

I wish the tea change was a choice node

similar to the charge on monks tiger palm was

[limber lion]

Yeh could be nice

[royal lantern]

you tale the egg and let it rot in your bags and only use it in sims for higher sim number

[final star]

number go up!!

[royal lantern]

same yeha

[final star]

Not playing around it all

and playing around it are basically equal

so might as well let it be a choice node

[limber lion]

Well, actively using it properly is ever so slightly better

[final star]

100% which is what it should be

[limber lion]

So a choice node where one option is strictly worse is hard to justify

[final star]

but current tea with the auto activate you just ignore and it's the same thing

[limber lion]

Where the application case is basically the same

Yeh

[royal lantern]

tbh, isnt that most choice nodes in the game?

[brave stump]

There isn't a worse feeling than doing a global on a final mob and your tea procs

[limber lion]

It sure is unfortunately

[brave stump]

[limber lion]

But like IB vs Spatter is clearly more ST vs AoE kinda thing

But passive vs active tea wouldn't really have any use, rather than "are you lazy or not"

[final star]

I would also argue that the difference is not extreme, it's probably marginal (0.5% or less) better

[limber lion]

I would love that

[final star]

so not really degen

[limber lion]

But I kinda get why Blizz wouldn't do that

[final star]

some people wanna remove buttons

and that's for them

[limber lion]

Yeh

[royal lantern]

iirc "play tea 100% perfect" and "just ignore it at all and slam like crazy and let it get auto consumed" was 0,4% difference

[final star]

but for people capable of a single extra bind

[limber lion]

We're in a very sick timeline atm where there are so many choices to choose from and it doesn't really matter what you play

[final star]

yeah it's just the added caveat of having to not spend energy to proc it which is stinky ass gameplay

[limber lion]

Because previously there has always been one single talent build that you play 100% of the time with no variance

We're pretty lucky we can go full bleed in mythic+ for the memes if we want to and still do well

Or drop 4 nodes and the 4 other nodes and still do the same dps

[final star]

go full ST with IC instead of dashing

do 2M overall

go full aoe

do 2M overall

[limber lion]

Very sick

Would be a very different tale if Spatter didn't exist

[royal lantern]

spatter is good

but like

[final star]

spatter is busted

[royal lantern]

why did they make all our dmg just envenom now lol

so spatter is OP

like, CT is overtuned as fuck, and spatter is too strong cus they made assa do all its dmg with envenom

if the dmg would be atleast somewhat more spread into rupture/garrote again, spatter would allready be way more reasonable

[last oracle]

Question, how many targets do you guys have to have before using crimson tempest?

[clever sapphire]

2 afaik

[final star]

yeah 2

[last oracle]

Do you guys spec in to it for council?

[clever sapphire]

If i get there, i will stalk top 100 logs and see what they run

Probably not worth it tho

[blazing warren]

Yesssssssssssssssssss

Yohoo

[clever sapphire]

Gz

Now time to blast

[winged sun]

2 skardyns

ffs

and already have the 639 cloak

why do i keep getting lucky

cba

[clever sapphire]

Its not lucky if you get it a 2nd time

[winged sun]

true

but nah my biggest upgr is a socket anyway atm

[gloomy otter]

how can i show me a crafted item on raidbots that i dont own yet so i can sim what crafted would be better?

[balmy condor]

Search at the top

[gloomy otter]

yo got it ty 🙂

[jade abyss]

Myth tracj im jealous ^^

[late tusk]

Hello, I know it's a little bit tricky question, but I'm at 630ilvl, and I'm up to do around 1m6 overall in Mist. But I feel like big pulls like first on Mist I'm sucked on 4m DMG, and look pros doing like 12m on first Necro pull for example

I'm not using pre -pot, but don't think it can change that much

[oak kelp]

Kinda crazy how I can just casually scroll through here for the first time in months and I can find the same bad actor continuing to habitually cause problems wherever they go, insane actually lol

Some things will never change

[balmy condor]

Ominous

[limber lion]

Who are we talking about?

[balmy condor]

You cev

Caught

[limber lion]

Fak

Maybe I need to take some acting classes

[oak kelp]

Nobody important by any stretch despite what they like to tell themselves

[limber lion]

So I could be a good actor instead :3

[late tusk]

People around that ilvl, how much DMG on burst window can do in that standard pull? What could I be doing wrong? I do the open as wow head guide

[limber lion]

The potion definitely matters quite a bit, as does stuff like lust.

You just get your 5 Ruptures up and then do a full cooldown rotation on the big tree guy

That's all there really is to it

[final star]

SOWWY

[late tusk]

That's what I do, and I can't go more than 4-5m

With no bl I should say

[limber lion]

Bloodlust and potion is a massive thing

[late tusk]

Potion too?

[limber lion]

Especially the potion

[late tusk]

Will try with potions then

Cause I feel I'm not carrying dungeons

[limber lion]

The amount of damage we get with potion is insane.

[late tusk]

And the overall is bad at all

[limber lion]

Well, more aggressive use with potions definitely helps

[kindred hinge]

I mean depend if you pot or if you have an aug

[gloomy otter]

is it worth to use 2 crafted daggers on 636 if i dont have any mythi weapons?

[limber lion]

Yeah

But only if you don't need anything else

Offhand is the last thing to upgrade sparks wise

[kindred hinge]

Overall also going to be impacted by your maze/pulls on boss etc

And by first boss

[late tusk]

No Aug, and no pot. Just my dmg

[limber lion]

You should have every other gear piece at 636 basically

before you start upgrading your offhand

[late tusk]

I will try to get pots and give it a chance

[clever sapphire]

Bit late on the party, but comparing mists and necro first pull is a bit crazy

[gloomy otter]

ah oke , tought weapons would be more usefull to have on high ilvl

[limber lion]

Nah, offhand is very minor

Mainhand is the biggest upgrade

Offhand is the smallest upgrade

Ying and Yang

[late tusk]

Ye ye I know, I mean that there is standard pull there

[kindred hinge]

4-6m base on that pull is relatively normal

[gloomy otter]

got u , thx ceverion

[limber lion]

Npnp

[clever sapphire]

Also what key lvl? Because in higher keys even the smallies live longer so you get more time to do dmg to more targets

[late tusk]

Doing 12s

[tender folio]

Which trinkets would you guys recommend for m+?

[limber lion]

Nothing compares to the pro NW pulls honestly

[kindred hinge]

Overall 1m6 them difficult to comment. Maze and pack on boss influence it too much. Also depends how you pop cd on first boss

[limber lion]

It's like 30 mobs vs 10 in Mists

1.6m on a +12 is definitely on the lower side

[clever sapphire]

12s is a bit tricky, with a good group its hard to do dmg even there, with a bad group it could feel like its a 15

[limber lion]

Especially with 630 ilvl

[late tusk]

It means I'm doing it bad as fuck right ?

[clever sapphire]

Skardyns and any other statstick (siege/dawn/arakara all have good statsticks)

[tender folio]

ty

[kindred hinge]

One thing would be if he pop cd on tree rather than boss to accelerate the fightm you loose a lot of overall on that mobe

[limber lion]

Well not necessarily bad as fuck

But definitely a lot of things to improve for sure

I do close to 2m in a +10 mists with 620 ilvl

[clever sapphire]

Its probably mostly related to your cooldown usage

Many people are scared to send cooldowns

[late tusk]

I'm using CDs on coldwo more of the time

Need to log myself

Hard then

[kindred hinge]

Do you know what is your average kB window damage? Since I installed the wa it helped a lot getting out a lot more by realising when i fucked up in and why

[late tusk]

I'm not even close to this

[clever sapphire]

Well make sure you have all the scent stacks, make sure you have CT up, make sure you have deathstalkers mark on the main target, do big spatter dmg

[kindred hinge]

How do you pop cd first boss?

[clever sapphire]

4m on first pull mists can even happen without cooldowns

[late tusk]

1min CD on small one to got all on first bl big add window

[kindred hinge]

Ok yeah so that's a low overall

[late tusk]

I guess I got that things

[late tusk]

And not sure about that

[clever sapphire]

In my 12s atleast i dont get to press kb on first boss, if i do that i wont have kb for the dmg phase

[late tusk]

Guess 2m or smg

[late tusk]

I'm with pugs and people do dame so first add give us a lot of time to kill so usually get reseted

[limber lion]

I personally don't look at how much damage my abilities do

Or the breakdown of details

[clever sapphire]

Im just gonna ask to be sure, you have skardyns right?

[limber lion]

It tells you very little

[kindred hinge]

Give a try to the WA (if you want to have a look at what it is zerocool has it on stream) quite useful to realise how many kB you fuck up and how to not do it again

[limber lion]

But if you like it and it helps you, go for it

[late tusk]

Grimba trinket?

[clever sapphire]

I also pug, rarely if ever do with people

[clever sapphire]

Aye

[late tusk]

Ye, farmed it on my last mental DMG breakdown

[kindred hinge]

Because if you just send on cd without knowing if you can get the damage out in the next 13 sec you are going to scuffle your damage

[late tusk]

Will check zeros wa when I go home later

[kindred hinge]

Or not maintaining the buff etc

[clever sapphire]

Im with cev on the wa/breakdown stuff

Also dont track kb anymore and dont really look at details

[limber lion]

[real pike]

do you mean this the other way round?

[clever sapphire]

And most of the time also topping meters by just executing the spec well i guess

[late tusk]

I mean, I need to find the problem

[limber lion]

Log

[late tusk]

Cause talking with you, wr can be sure I'm doing things wrong

Pretty wrong

Prob the only one thing I did well this week have been asking

Cause I thought I was doing it ""well""

[clever sapphire]

Ye probably gonna need a log or breakdown or smth

[late tusk]

Ye, will log my next keys

[clever sapphire]

You can also show a details breakdown, maybe something gonna scream there also

Like having wrong poisons or smth

[limber lion]

As long as Spatter is #1, CT/Envenom #2 and #3

You're chilling

[late tusk]

Guess I'm close to that, in at work so can't send an image

But that's the first I fixed comparing my details to the sim ones

[kindred hinge]

A lot of it comes from cool down usage if you have the opener and maintainance down

Knowing how each pack behave and when yo use to get maximum damage. It really make a difference on the overall but again external factors will have much more impact on that overall

[humble verge]

hmmmmmmm

[urban mantle]

Guys. I currently 632 ilvl and I am only doing 1.4M DPS on some bosses. I see many people manage to do 2M+ DPS with the same ilvl. What am I doing wrong to my DPS end up 50% lower than most rogue assassins in raids. Is the initial rotation heavily punishing me if I am not doing correctly?

[humble verge]

look at their logs and try to repeat what they are doing

they might have different talents

might use their CDs at different times

[sacred schooner]

killing timers also value a lot 🙂 if they kill in 2m and you in 4m you will never get that dps

[humble verge]

^^

[arctic socket]

If it heroic, are your kill times similar? They play a decent part in it

[humble verge]

but like, you dont NEED to farm for logs

[rose dirge]

my character is almost complete

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uEbjXSWhhpYD7MYpaiTqLx

[urban mantle]

Im just wondering how ppl manage to do 4-5M DPS on openner while Im only doing 2.5M peak

[rose dirge]

no way i dont pick sacbrood right?

[arctic socket]

No 636 chest craft? Why live

[humble verge]

he doesnt need tho

[arctic socket]

Sacbrood is equal to spyglass

In that sin

[gloomy otter]

how much energie do i want to pool if im low energy and no tea left?

[grim jay]

Why didnt you, like me, pull the mastery crit chest on myth track?

[arctic socket]

Because I pulled everything else on myth track

[rose dirge]

Dunno if i have crests for chest craft yet

[humble verge]

just curious, but is ringworm that good for assa rn?

[arctic socket]

Including skardybs crystal, two very rares

[grim jay]

I hate you

[rose dirge]

I guess i just follow sim and go spyglass?

[arctic socket]

All I need is mythic queen ring

But that’s like impossible for me to get

Since I doubt I will ever kill myth queen. D

[rose dirge]

Never doubt

Although silken gives me ptsd right now

[grim jay]

Believe

Or just buy the kill

[humble verge]

buy

30m minimum

[arctic socket]

Fund it, or provide it

[arctic socket]

It’s 15m for CE

Atm

[humble verge]

so Echo have halfed their prices

since i last saw it

or is this Liquid

idk

[grim jay]

I usually go on a date first before I provide for a woman

I dont even know how much it currently costs tbf

Looks like 30m

[arctic socket]

In boosting discords it 15-18m

[humble verge]

hmmm

buying full 8/8 + loot and mount is 38m on one im seeing

[arctic socket]

My bad

20m

[humble verge]

no loot

[clever sapphire]

99 unread messages, i could never

[humble verge]

its probably just spam from the boosting discord

ive once had like atleast 500 pings

[arctic socket]

[grim jay]

All the boys sliding into the DMs

[clever sapphire]

Ye i always mute those exactly for that reason xD

[arctic socket]

I wish it was

[cold zealot]

Hi. Should i pick myth Spyglass? Currently i have Skardyn/Crystal 626?

[arctic socket]

Yes

[grim jay]

And the sinful 99% battery charge

[cold zealot]

ty mate

[pure star]

any night elf enjoyers know the trick to getting a restealth from meld? i get it once in a key probably

[clever sapphire]

Macro and spam it

You cant always get stealth

[dim valley]

only works on trash

[pure star]

just /stopattack /cast shadowmeld /cast stealth?

[final star]

#showtooltip
/stopattack
/cast !Shadowmeld
/cast !Stealth```

[humble verge]

!

[final star]

so you can spam the button and not toggle it off 🙂

[potent lance]

hi there guys i need help with crafting

[royal lantern]

flip a coin

[rose dirge]

KPB you are an expert

is spyglass fake in sims cause of target swap or is it just better than sacbrood 639?

[grim jay]

You sayin it works better with fatebound?

[final star]

roughly equal

[royal lantern]

and you can flip from a rooftop

[rose dirge]

ok i just follow sims then and take spy, since its better m+ aswell then, thanks

[grim jay]

Imagine you hit someone on the head

With your coin

[humble verge]

hmmmm

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/htMpazby621aVfzY8p2NKY had to redo my sim agian

[royal lantern]

thats what happens on a tails flip

[humble verge]

looks like actually double DL is better than armband ascension ig

[grim jay]

Armband is so german

Idk

[humble verge]

huh

[grim jay]

Sim

[urban mantle]

Does the discord still have the opener images for each situation?

[clever sapphire]

It should be on wowhead

[humble verge]

!opener

idk tried

[potent lance]

the thing is idk what to do now i wanan pick up mythic wrist fromvault and dont know put my emblishment on what next xDD

since my emblishment rn is on my wrist

[grim jay]

Yeah but

[royal lantern]

SOCKET GAMING

[grim jay]

Thats exactly what sims are for

[royal lantern]

FUCK YEHA

[arctic socket]

Why did you craft two 636 daggers?

[royal lantern]

wowhead has them

[potent lance]

0 daggers drop for me

till now

[arctic socket]

If you want to pick up bracers for a 3 ilvl jump

Craft boots

[waxen field]

speaking of crafting daggers, is it possible to the the trick for rings (as in crafting then recrafting to save on gilded crests) but with daggers ?

[royal lantern]

ye

[waxen field]

oi cool thank you

[potent lance]

wait what? i dont undrestand i can recraft my daggers too soemthign else? xD

[arctic socket]

No

You craft one dagger then recraft that same dagger changing stats, then if you got. Mythic dagger drop you could upgrade it to 636 for free without using crests

[potent lance]

oh okk i got it

i ahve liek 6 craft items rn for outlaw and assa

if i pick up 639 wrist for assassin will recraft 636 wrist for outlawe and change the 619 waist(emblish for outlaw) too my 639 waist i think its all win win

idk what im talking about but yeah i ahve soemthign on my mind xD

[clever turtle]

does anyone have a momentum of despair tracker?

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[spice surge]

No and I dont see why you would

[royal lantern]

the packs there have it

[spice surge]

I dont think they do

Because theres no point tracking it

[royal lantern]

im using whisps, and there is a icon for it

[iron carbon]

Momentum is the nature dmg buff after death mark isn't?

[royal lantern]

and idk, ye its kinda obvious when you use FoK, but still see a point in actually tracking it

[spice surge]

ok ig

[royal lantern]

WAIT

shit

no

i thought CtW

@spice surge sorry, you can scold me now

me stupid

wrong talent

[fallen arch]

Tracking that seems pointless

Idk why u woukd

Dogshit node too

[iron carbon]

Always happy to bring the truth

Sorry Tryan

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bagel-spaghetti-gif-26365750

[clever turtle]

dont you wanna have 100per uptime on the buff?

[royal lantern]

you get the buff when you use FoK

when you use FoK, you are in moments when you spam FoK anyway lol

[iron carbon]

Oh, it's not even the one I thought

Rofl

[fallen arch]

Its the crit increase after critting

[grave sonnet]

Is mythic track Spyglass a auto take in vault? Sim says catalyst chest, and after reading up here, im getting mixed messages about if its a simbait or not 😭

[royal lantern]

do you allready have 1 passive trinket on mythic level

[fallen arch]

The other one is lingering darkness

[iron carbon]

Yes, I just checked

[fallen arch]

Trinket is fine

But its not an auto take

[grave sonnet]

https://imgur.com/HjtoVFG

[iron carbon]

ST sim?

[fallen arch]

If these are ur trinkets, take chest

I’d say

Bro how does everybody have a skardyns

I’m like 40 runs deep and still dont have it

[iron carbon]

Damn

I give you strenght mate

[fallen arch]

Pain

[dapper cradle]

[fallen arch]

This is what I’ve been doing for every waking hour in the game

[dapper cradle]

lliteral GB hell

[grave sonnet]

Don't give up, i got mine after 30+ runs, then the next day, it showed up in my vault

[fallen arch]

Druid off specs get it on my groups

[limber lion]

Let's not evade the filter

[fallen arch]

Shaman off specs

[limber lion]

That's on the filter for a reason

[fallen arch]

Les than avg iq hunters

[dapper cradle]

mental is in shambles after all those gbs

[fallen arch]

Idk

Its just fucking annoying

[dapper cradle]

it'll be okay bro

[fallen arch]

Its literally the worst dungeon ever too

[royal lantern]

bro, why do my sims want me to use 1 of each weapon enchant

what cursed shit is that

lmao

[fallen arch]

Lets watch ToP give our bis trinket next season

And we’ll be in a new world of agony

[fallen arch]

U still have the admin rights?

[clever sapphire]

I gave up simming, bought the aoe enchant, called ot a day

[limber lion]

No

[fallen arch]

Then someone else was fast

[limber lion]

Yep

Probably Eleem

@spice surge

[spice surge]

Hello

[wide sleet]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fallen arch]

This will probably happen yes

[limber lion]

👋

[shrewd night]

Have u tried just looting it in vault??

[coral ibex]

gottem

[iron carbon]

Got a special mini game tonight, trying to avoid ovinax parrying kb

[blissful pecan]

Why do we fan of knives-mutilate after crimson tempest on aoe openers?

Cuz i was thinking if we mutilate-fan of knives we get splatter a bit ealrier,leading to higer dmg

[neat shell]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[fallen arch]

Bro

[odd tapir]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=457053/clear-the-witnesses

[fallen arch]

Everyone and their mom and their 14 alts have this thing. Meanwhile I otp one character and I get shit all in each and every vault

[willow falcon]

yes

[blissful pecan]

Does it not still generate combo points after mutilate?

Was wondering the difference

[shrewd night]

Skill diff

[iron carbon]

Not sure 1 gcd without casting envenom will lead to bigger damages

[shrewd night]

Meowing diff

[fast folio]

If Kingsbane and Darkest Night fall together, should I wait for the last ticks of KB when proccing a max combo points Envenom? Or always consume the DN asap?

[spice spire]

Delete this nephew

[shrewd night]

Only when you change your name to (in)

[iron carbon]

Why would you like to wait?

To cast your envenom?

[delicate atlas]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[fast folio]

For the KB damage increase?

[spice surge]

KB doesnt increase envenom

[iron carbon]

Read the spell again

[spice surge]

There is no benefit to what you described

[fast folio]

Alright. Rereading the spell. 🤪 Thanks

[ripe bobcat]

wuhu crystal on mythic 🙂

[iron carbon]

You just want to spam envenom to apply maximum of your poison to grow the kb.

• shiv 30% damages increase

[fast folio]

Thanks. Appreciated 👍🏻

[tepid mantle]

Whats the ideal opener for aoe in m+? Stacking as many garrottes and ruptures as possible with indiscrimante carnage and then at the end cast crimson tempest or start with 2-3 garrottes, then crimson tempest, then fan of knives/more garrotts and then rupture?

[spice surge]

No, you only really want 5 ruptures up for scent

[iron carbon]

You just apply to 5 rupture for scent but ideally, rupture and garrote every one during IC

Tbh, never happen

[spice surge]

Then you want to use CT continue on with spattering

No point rupturing every mob

[eager condor]

ok Kyveza m down - Silken court advice anyone wants to share?

[tepid mantle]

so 5 ruptures but garrottes on everything before crimson tmepest int splatter spam ?

[eager condor]

blue group for me i think

[tepid mantle]

also: is there a point in starting aoe quickly with a mutilate on a ruptured target while still spreading dots ?

[iron carbon]

No

[tepid mantle]

= is there a significant gain in having splatter active while still spamming garrottes/ruptures on everything

or just apply dots , then ct, then mutilate for splatter and then start spamming splatter dmg?

[iron carbon]

This

[tepid mantle]

ok

[iron carbon]

Not a dps gain wasting a gcd during IC to apply spatter for your weapons poison

[tepid mantle]

makes sense

[iron carbon]

But it depends of the targets number, targets type, ...

Every pack is different

[tepid mantle]

one more question for now: when you have darkest night buff already, does it make sense to still start opener on a mob pack with ambush so you have the 3 deathstalkers mark stacks on that target AND the darkest night buff; meaning you will both crit for 60% more dmg and proc one stack?

or just start with dots immediatly when you have darkes night buff?

ye ofc

[iron carbon]

I only do that when DN is about to fall off and I won't have time to apply envenom

Unless, I spread dots before

[graceful glade]

Sorry if this was asked before, but is there a macro to focus target enemies marked by Deathstalker? I find it kinda annoying switching to interrupt a target then looking through the trashpack for my marked target again

[tepid mantle]

Thanks a lot

[iron carbon]

Nope, it doesn't exist bit a good plater profile or wa could help you identify your main target easilier

Or just a mouseover kick

Or a @focus kick

[graceful glade]

Are mouseover kicks actually effective? feels like you can very easily kick the wrong target when packs are stacked in one area

[iron carbon]

You can mouseover the nameplate

And you need to be used to it

[graceful glade]

I see

Is there a macro somewhere I can copy? can't find it in icyveins

[iron carbon]

Tbh, I use @focus for kicks and mouseover for garrote _ rupture

^

Change garrote by kick

[dapper cradle]

mouseover stepping ulgrax on accident during the pull

[eager condor]

lol

[graceful glade]

do you type anything in between the " [] "

[iron carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/oops-yikes-awkward-jennifer-lawrence-gif-9504720997818108080

[iron carbon]

No

[graceful glade]

Alright thank you so much

[iron carbon]

It's to be able to kick your target if no mouseover

Or no focus if you use the focus macro

[rich parrot]

!macro

!macros

[iron carbon]

That's just @focus instead of @mouseover

[graceful glade]

Another question, during our invis window where we usually spread garrotes/ruptures, do we continue using garrote as a combo generator or do we switch to mutilate/FoK?

[iron carbon]

Depends if you need to spread silences or not

If yes, you keep garroting during subterfuge, if not, fok/mutilate

[graceful glade]

In single target scenarios specifically, feels like mutilate consumes more energy? so feels like garrote is more effectient to build combo points but im not sure how worth it that is

[jovial idol]

You just Regen less

Due to bleeds

[iron carbon]

It's nearly never worth to refresh dot outside of pandemic

Just press mutilate

[graceful glade]

Alright then

Thank you so much

[jovial idol]

Sometimes you can use the last GCD of improved garrote if you are running IW

To refresh the silence

[graceful glade]

I usually do that

Is that worth doing in boss fights actually

[spice surge]

Not really

[graceful glade]

i try to refresh my dot last second in improved garrote so it lasts "longer"

i see i see

thank you guys!

[jovial idol]

For boss I think you just want one application that lasts the whole DM

Then I think it doesn't do much damage anyway

[graceful glade]

I usually have a normal garrote running in deathmark, then i vanish last 6secs of DM/Kingsbane and apply improved garrote

(unless in opener since naturally i'd have an improved garrote running)

[jovial idol]

I try to use vanish for DM to do a kind of opener anew with imp garrote when in ST bosses

Not sure if it's good

[iron carbon]

You should vanish, Improved garrtoe then DM is you not running master assassin talent

[jade abyss]

When i put 2 points in sub i vanish 12 sec from kb? When skilled in MA

[jovial idol]

I don't run MA, so I guess my assumption was correct

MA sims lower for me than the other options

[icy acorn]

wtf is this

[jovial idol]

SD, SB, TTK is what I simmed it against

[graceful glade]

oh

improved garrote THEN deathmark

[jovial idol]

Luckily I run with a prot pala so I can skip IW most times

[graceful glade]

interesting

damn i must've lost a good chunk of damage

i always just vanished with 6 seconds left

i guess thats only the case for openers

[iron carbon]

Yes, you can

[iron carbon]

Yes, cuz you want to reapply improves garrote during his pandemic

[graceful glade]

i see

thank you!

[iron carbon]

Np np

[iron carbon]

Even with a prot pal, I would keep IW

At least on Arak, NW, Stonevault and gb

[iron carbon]

How sim the knife?

[icy acorn]

got mythic ara kara

[iron carbon]

So?

[icy acorn]

-8k

[iron carbon]

Damn

[gusty mirage]

Based on my expert analysis, it’s absolutely dogshit

[icy acorn]

3 rings and not a single good one at that

[gusty mirage]

That’s rough

Yeah

That’s fucking wild lmao

[icy acorn]

[gusty mirage]

Aren’t there only like 6 or 7 rings total in the pool?

[jovial idol]

Take the boots

[icy acorn]

i think so yeah

why would i take hero items

[spice surge]

Knife is alright too

Depends on what you have though

[jovial idol]

Ah

[icy acorn]

yeah knife was my first guess but its 8k behind mythic ara kara

[jovial idol]

Saw 626

[full summit]

im starving for energy how do i not starve for it?

[delicate atlas]

!macro

[icy acorn]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[gusty mirage]

Check if:

• you have poisons applied
• are keeping up bleeds
• if both of the above are happening, that’s the spec and you have to pool energy

[tepid breach]

Hey guys, need some advices there.

I have another kukri 639 in my inventory, actually ascendance on stabber/writhing armor banding on the wrist.

I tried to sim to 2 dawnthread lining but it always seems not worth, so wondering if you have any tips on what should i craft, i tried sim a waistband but still lower dps so idk i see everyone with dawnthread
(for vault i might take token to socket a part)

[full summit]

kk ty!

[topaz egret]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[gritty laurel]

i would take any myth slot you don't have a myth item for already (trinkets are an exception, obviously) then just listen to the robot beyond that based on what setups you can achieve

[wary valley]

Wait when did we go back to pooling energy?

[pale socket]

I think we're loosely using the term pooling lately to mean, don't spam energy away and keep the envenom buff up (build and pool up until it's about to drop off then envenom)

[winged sun]

Paying 200k gold on eu for whoever fixes this to me, sometimes i press off gcd abilities and they dont go off, i have to press them twice or 3 times in some cases more

Need a legitimate fix

[pine orbit]

@winged sun had this issue, was a bad switch in my keyboard

[winged sun]

Cant be bad switches from 2 keyboards on 5 different off gcd abilities

[gusty mirage]

If he’s always starved, that means he’s spamming and needs to pool a little bit

[iron carbon]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[pine orbit]

@winged sun i belive some off gcd's cant be cast during animations. i could be completly wrong on that tho.

[full summit]

i literally just wasnt spreading rupture and didn't have poisons on cus noob LOL

ST and AoE was fine after that

[winged sun]

No thats wrong because the issue im facing didnt exist in dragonflight

[pale socket]

first time i noticed i didn't have poisons up mid-dungeon i was so mad at assa energy starvation during first boss. i laughed so hard in relief that i was just an idiot and the spec is fine

[winged sun]

Im losing my mind

Idk what causes it

Ffs

[pine orbit]

does it happen everytime?

[winged sun]

Ye

[pale socket]

what spells, exactly? is it from lack of energy..? just have to ask. like trying to feint but not enough to cast it

[full summit]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[winged sun]

And i have the most advanced keyboard in the world too

[full summit]

i need a poison reminder i always forgot poisons cus im dumb 😭

[winged sun]

Fully modified aswell

[pine orbit]

which spells

[winged sun]

Evasion, vanish and cloak aren’t gated by anything whatsoever

[pale socket]

true

[winged sun]

They should be able to be pressed instantly at any time whatsoever

[languid yoke]

is there any haste % to avoid goin over / gettin gear for. currently at 8% thinking it's prob to high.

[pine orbit]

@winged sun try making them with a stopcast maco

[winged sun]

No that wont work

Im not a mage casting mirror images

[full summit]

anyone got a good poison reminder wa?

[iron carbon]

I know you can't cast shit during a spell animation as sub

But as assa

Never heard of it

Never experienced either

[winged sun]

Will do a complete wow reinstall

With all new settings

W.e

[pine orbit]

im still thinking its an animation issue. do they work if youre not casting anthing at all

like standing still not in combat and pressing vanish

[winged sun]

Im telling u that i didnt have this issue in dragonflight

What does animatiosn have to do with that

[pine orbit]

thats great. youre having the issue now and this is part of troubleshooting it brother

[iron carbon]

Cuz blizzard spaghetti code with hero talent?

[winged sun]

Im the only one who has this issue

[iron carbon]

Seems

[winged sun]

Zac will 100% notice it if he had it too

[iron carbon]

But yes, try a clean install

[winged sun]

Since we both press things very fast

[clever sapphire]

have you tried turning it off and on again?

[iron carbon]

Zac would say it's cuz of bf being hard capped

[winged sun]

Well

[low ruin]

Do you have any lag tolerance set? I play with 0 and occasionally I press vanish slightly too soon and nothing happens.

[clever sapphire]

did you try putting the abilities on different keybinds?

[winged sun]

Atleast im good at refixing my entire wow settings all over again

Did it so many times

[inland sable]

Hello all, question ! Is realy sureki zealots the best neck as assa rogue ? Statts of Trailspinner looks better

[iron carbon]

I feel you mate, did it few weeks ago

[clever sapphire]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[winged sun]

Takes me literally

10 mins

To get my entire ui back

[gloomy otter]

is it worth to use fan of knives on ST with the Clear the Witnesses proc?