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spice spire
wispy epoch
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Someone ban him

gusty mirage
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bro you good?

spice spire
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Sup

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No

wispy epoch
spice spire
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Wish I were ur bidet fr king

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Damn

gusty mirage
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wtf

cobalt sphinx
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westbrick 🤢

gusty mirage
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bro how long have you had that video saved

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russ hasn't been in OKC in 5 years

spice spire
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A month?

gusty mirage
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don't fucking lie to me

spice spire
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Idk man whispyr sends me some shit

gusty mirage
spice spire
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And my algorithm goes fucky wuxky

wispy epoch
vast patio
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hear me out

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upgrade it to 639 and charge people to look at it

oak tangle
oak tangle
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lowkey wanna make it a weakaura

spice spire
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Idk I’m partial to this vicious lil guy

umbral sierra
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damn got heroic raid cloak but anvil hide is myth track

oak tangle
spice spire
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Yes

oak tangle
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cause im worried

spice spire
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That’s just a car

oak tangle
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if i made it a weakaura

wispy epoch
oak tangle
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to get out of bad sht

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i would go searching for bad sht

wispy epoch
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I have some dude who makes my weakauras for like 10-50kcper

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It’s a bunch of Patrick Mahomes glazing commentary

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Btw been maining enh shaman this whole week. The difference in anger for tanks not chain pulling vs me on my rogue crying when they do

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It’s fuckin palpable

exotic apex
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sin is pretty fun, i cannot lie. makes me wonder why i ever only played outlaw before

wispy epoch
exotic apex
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outlaw is fun, i do feel like sin is easier

wispy epoch
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More survivable, more damage, not as reliant on out of combat stealth

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It is easier

exotic apex
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what is making outlaw better?

wispy epoch
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Gear

coral ibex
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626 -> 639 skardyn is simming at +8k dps bro cmon

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this ring is a better upgrade

exotic apex
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i was just about to craft 2 636 daggers

coral ibex
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no

wispy epoch
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Be a slave to the Darkest Night meta

manic quartz
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assa > outlul in terms of gameplay imo

wispy epoch
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Or be a professional gambler

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Outlaw is fine with chain pulls in m+ with how often vanish comes off CD though

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So less annoying for others

wicked valve
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Chain pulling when done right is great for ass. When tanks incorrectly "chain pull" a singular mobile with 5 percent health into the next pack...that's when sin feels garbage.

exotic apex
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so only stats are making outlaw better?

wispy epoch
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That’s trolling

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Lmao

exotic apex
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better scaling?

umbral sierra
solar lynx
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Same lol

wicked valve
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Agreed. I do the same. But that's why I had it in quotes. Some tanks don't know or, or don't care, that it isn't good for us.

snow kindle
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Just run double vanish mental saved

floral sleet
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Hi guys. Is it mandatory to always ask what's the best spec for m+ in here?

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Just wondering

lethal arrow
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i cant stop winning

solar lynx
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Ez

coral ibex
exotic apex
coral ibex
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outlaw has no burst at all and bf is hard capped

wicked valve
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The two specs rogue have are fun. Shame we don't have a third.

lethal arrow
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didnt even have to look at the other options

gloomy heart
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mythic dagger

snow kindle
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Outlaw ST is giga through

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In M+

umbral sierra
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sacbrood on my alt lock

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not rogue reeeeee

lethal arrow
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already got like 4 of them in the bags sadly

wispy epoch
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Outlaw also has no ramp up, so 10s and below are good for you

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Whereas by the time you garrote rupture and CT everything in a big pull with ass

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It’s at 50% hp

exotic apex
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ig ill craft both daggers and sword

wispy epoch
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Or dead

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Naw dude

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Craft dagger

coral ibex
wispy epoch
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Get a hand wep from Princess

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That’ll be your bis

coral ibex
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you should not craft more than one dagger period

wispy epoch
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You can offhand a dagger in outlaw

manic quartz
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"hand weapon" xD

snow kindle
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Definitely craft one dagger

oak tangle
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now don't get me wrong, i have zero clue about outlaw, but i do find it humorous that the person telling us outlaw gonna be strong has a yellow name

exotic apex
# coral ibex massive waste of crests

i have a bunch saved, i just hit level 80 yesterday, did normal, heroic, and am doing normal and heroic again right now, plus i did all +9 keys yesterday

wispy epoch
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Stfu everyone in the yellow name!!!!!

wicked valve
wispy epoch
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Im*

wispy epoch
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That’s why I’m ass rn

wicked valve
lethal turtle
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This seems like a good point to ask about how much haste sin requires

wispy epoch
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0

wicked valve
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Very little, IIRC

wispy epoch
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That’s the neat part

oak tangle
coral ibex
wispy epoch
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You don’t!!!

coral ibex
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do not craft an offhand

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craft any other slot

valid pulsar
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2nd vault on rogue alt, i rip the ring right? sims the highest

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only champ tho

snow kindle
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No

valid pulsar
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ya

snow kindle
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Sim the other ring at max and sim a crafted ring

wispy epoch
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I mean it’ll be bis till heroic queen ring lmao

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It’s got like 3k crit

snow kindle
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Doesn’t mean anything

wispy epoch
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Yeah our bis stat doesn’t mean anything

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AHHHHHHHH

snow kindle
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A 636 crafted ring will have just as much

oak tangle
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correct

coral ibex
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stats aren’t real

wicked valve
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I am trash. I consult wowhead and Sims, I can't play this game by myself.

coral ibex
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good job you got it 👍

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!stats

prisma monolithBOT
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There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
  • Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
sleek spear
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hi all, i just got a mythic Ara Kara sac brood in vault, with a mythic Gloves.

is the Ara Kara good for anything like single target fights?

snow kindle
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Ara Kara is just default best

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For Any content

oak tangle
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?

snow kindle
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And outlaw aswell if you ever plan on playing that

oak tangle
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that is a statement of all statements

hollow sphinx
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Why does the bis list put deadspy above it?

oak tangle
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not sure its voracity though

wispy epoch
sleek spear
snow kindle
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Yeah sure the anub one if you can get 639 better aoe

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If you can get it

snow kindle
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Yes skars and transmitter you always use one on use

glad lintel
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639 offhand (already have 639 MH) or 639 Skardyn's Grace?!

oak tangle
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i'm gonna need your credentials sir

desert vault
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huh Mandate that much better than 639 sac?

glad lintel
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Vault was kind to me

snow kindle
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You did 3m fight

oak tangle
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sacbrood is basically equal to spyglass on ST, and spyglass pulls ahead in aoe

valid pulsar
sleek spear
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my anub is 626

oak tangle
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dont trust people throwing out one liners in discord

desert vault
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Oh yeah, let me redo with 5min length and see

snow kindle
snow kindle
desert vault
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Ah ok, 5min sac wins, makes sense

wispy epoch
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I hate my spyglass now btw bc it sims well but it always procs on a small mob that dies in 5 secs

sleek spear
wispy epoch
oak tangle
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lol

sleek spear
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im simming myself but argh i just wanna feelycraft sometimes u know

wispy epoch
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Assassination discord fears the free thinker

oak tangle
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blood mallet gives you a baseline to feelcraft from

versed copper
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why the sudden change from top tier players from dwarf to nelf?

crude iris
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Hi, is it better to have 2 crit enbelishments instead os 1 ascendance + other?

slate crown
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are we all large this day?

prisma monolithBOT
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Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

sleek spear
versed copper
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but what changed mid season?

oak tangle
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i just can't watch someone say sacbrood is bis in all situations and stay silent

oak tangle
versed copper
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like a week or 2 weeks ago most top m+ players were dwarves

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now they race changed to nelves

crude iris
wispy epoch
versed copper
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hmm i see

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interesting

coral ibex
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this is 3k more dps than a 639 skardyn Deadge

lethal arrow
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but surely you wouldnt take it because skardyns will be harder to get

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🙂

slate crown
coral ibex
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you say that but i’ve passed up 4 myth rings in the vault and haven’t won a loot roll other than rogue exclusive loot

sleek spear
oak tangle
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seems reasonable

sleek spear
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wait its 0.3% less

oak tangle
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i mean it's 13 ilvls of agi

sleek spear
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sorry

snow kindle
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I wouldn’t lie peepoSmile

oak tangle
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put in a 639 spyglass and see what teh sim says then though

snow kindle
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Yeah it win

crimson gust
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Is mythic skardyn and mythic sac a good combo for mythic + and raid?

humble verge
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should do it with what buffs you'd usually get to get a better reference

gloomy heart
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isn’t spyglass ass in m*

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m+

oak tangle
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no sir

sleek spear
humble verge
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its behind crystal

gloomy heart
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Ah okay

humble verge
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you want skardyn crystal

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and spyglass if you dont have crystal

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is my view

rare isle
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Do you want to know a very effective way to rip a parse?

humble verge
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die?

clever granite
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quick question. on an m+ trash pull: whats your prio for caustic ? i find that my ramp up when i try to dot all targets with indiscriminte carnage is so long that by the time my caustic gets applied all adds are dead. should i lay off the dots a bit on lower keys and just ct into envenom on caustic ? or am i doing something different wrong

onyx gyro
humble verge
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the one you ALSO mark

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should be actively only splattering that until it dies

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also

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on low keys idk

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i have not done anything under 12 in weeks D:

rare isle
# humble verge die?

Get summed to raid and straight into pull from an m+ and have exhaustion debuff. Without reset.

clever granite
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yeah thats my problem i pick a prio target and then try to dot everything before i mutilate and envenom but that takes so long that all adds are dead and my ramp up just falls flat. is that just low key andy problems or is there something im doing fundamentally wrong

oak tangle
wispy epoch
lucid silo
humble verge
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wait o

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NA has reset

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forgot

lethal arrow
humble verge
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i wouldnt even look at sacbrood

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i had that like

wispy epoch
rare isle
lucid silo
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i already took skardyns, i have myth spyglass

humble verge
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gachi

clever granite
sleek spear
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so would you guys take a mythic Ara Kara or mythic tier gloves from vault?

humble verge
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sim it

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but probably gloves

clever granite
sleek spear
humble verge
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who cares

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youre not running it if you have skardyn+crystal

sleek spear
oak tangle
sleek spear
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like a 0.3% difference between ara kara and the heroic Anub

oak tangle
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i recrafted an item

humble verge
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ims till thinking

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if like

wispy epoch
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Gloves are sikran and he’s farmed in lfg

humble verge
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the 0.0001% upgrade to go for armor banding is worth it

oak tangle
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early patch i had 619 belt, and used gildeds to make 636 wrist

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then recrafted the belt to 636

humble verge
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pepepains

sleek spear
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it says ara kara is 0.4% increase?

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but gloves is 0.5%?

oak tangle
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yeah gloves are 0.1% better

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than sacbrood

gusty mirage
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which means they're about even

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and you can pick whichever you prefer

oak tangle
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gloves are far easier to come by, though

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but if you wont use the trinket

gloomy heart
oak tangle
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it's irrelevant

gloomy heart
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haven’t opened vault

wispy epoch
gloomy heart
warm plaza
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Anyone have advise on single target dps?

sleek spear
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could be good for ST

slow marsh
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dont let bleeds fall

wispy epoch
gusty mirage
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as others have said you can always get gloves

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but chances of getting a specific trinket

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are pretty low

warm plaza
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Idk what I am doing wrong lol

wispy epoch
sleek spear
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gloves can come by easy

oak tangle
gusty mirage
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ye I always go for specific trinkets if they're there

oak tangle
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vault, myth raid, myth tier token, crafted 636

sleek spear
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specific trinkets a little harder. even though i might not use it, having it always a feel good feeling as a backup

warm plaza
wispy epoch
oak tangle
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1 way to get myth sacbrood

sleek spear
slow marsh
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man oxi advice is so goated

sleek spear
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U GUYS help a ton in my decision making

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i was about to take the gloves for a 0.5% increase lol

wispy epoch
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Wait

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You can craft then catalyze?!?

oak tangle
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i would personally take the trinket, purely for the pokemon aspect

sleek spear
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my mind says gloves, but heart sats ara kara trinket

exotic apex
rare isle
rare isle
oak tangle
wispy epoch
oak tangle
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heroic will give you myth variant

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when upgraded

rare isle
exotic apex
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yeah at 619 iirc

sleek spear
rare isle
oak tangle
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he simming aoe build

sleek spear
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i simmed AOE build for Single Target

oak tangle
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without raid buffs

sleek spear
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changing it now

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yeah i have raid buffs off, thats fine right?

oak tangle
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i mean if you want single target raid, then you want buff on, if you simming m+ st then you have it right already

sleek spear
humble verge
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brood sure

quaint knoll
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Why do we not hit slice and dice anymore?

oak tangle
soft niche
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hey folks is a Seal of the Poisoned Pact ring good for sin ? sims says that is a dps loss for me but I see many poeple using that ring at higher ranks, they say that is a st gain in m+. I already have 639 rings

craggy shard
quaint knoll
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Ahh makes sense

oak tangle
craggy shard
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Does serrated bone spike stack on single target

soft niche
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626 Seal of the Poisoned Pact vs 639 crit mastery ring

quaint knoll
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I just compared my logs with another rogue and my amplifying poisons damage is lower than it should be. What am I doing wrong?

oak tangle
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it's not uber strong like that

soft niche
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oh ok makes sense then

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thanks

oak tangle
quaint knoll
oak tangle
acoustic kernel
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Heyy. I'm new to the assassin rogue. On the internet you can find a lot of different "best skills" and accordingly a lot of different rotations. Can someone help me with this? I only play M+. Im a little confused now, which talents to play and which rota. Thanks alot 🙂

sleek spear
oak tangle
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rotation is static for all builds, barring some slight changes, but they aren't unexpected

oak tangle
crude anvil
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
sleek spear
oak tangle
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no

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in the box down below, you can click and it will go relative to that sim

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so in that one, the only difference between your m+ and the one i clicked, is thetalents

rotund oak
sleek spear
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so ara kara is a 1.2% increase on ST

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thanks so much

oak tangle
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yup

exotic apex
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silkrans any good for us?

rotund oak
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arakara is sht btw

acoustic kernel
harsh ravine
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hi,

sometimes in my dungeon runs, I can't jump on my ally with a mouseover if the guy is a horde character, how should I proceed ?
I have this :

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead] [@mouseover,help,nodead][]Shadowstep
oak tangle
rotund oak
oak tangle
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agi alone partly makes up for it

rotund oak
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stupid@ss trinket

gloomy heart
oak tangle
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now the only caveat i have for you ST sims is whether you do a 2/3/5 min sim, cause if you are a heroic enjoyer, then that changes things

dim tide
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!lag

prisma monolithBOT
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Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

exotic apex
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looks like im replacing my 447 pants

oak tangle
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not that, bis lists are dumb

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they assume all the items

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if you dont have one, the others may not be bis

rotund oak
floral sleet
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Am i doing something wrong and caustic spatter doesnt trigger on some bosses?

oak tangle
floral sleet
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normal mobs -> elite non boss

oak tangle
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you need to apply poisons first, elites have nothing to do with it

floral sleet
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my poisons have expired

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thank you mate

oak tangle
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nice! easy

wispy epoch
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Hey guys when I use Ascendance, what should I be using other than Windstrike?

cobalt sphinx
spice spire
prisma carbon
slow marsh
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bruh my keybinds are so janky send help

spice spire
wispy epoch
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Imagine complaining about keybinds. Like bro play a shaman

spice spire
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Nah

wispy epoch
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Literally too many fuckin random buttons

gusty mirage
wispy epoch
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For totems and shit

gusty mirage
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congrats on your skardyns

spice spire
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Honestly

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Rogue had a bit

slow marsh
spice spire
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That’s not even that big of a complaint

slow marsh
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I used to use qe to strafe now i'm trying to switch to ad and idk how you guys do it

prisma carbon
spice spire
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Of df

slow marsh
sleek spear
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just curious, do trinkets have higher chance to drop in vault?

oak tangle
oak tangle
floral sleet
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at least i am ready for when I hit 80 KEKW

oak tangle
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huge

wispy epoch
slow marsh
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For people who use wasd: how the fuck do you do your rotation when you're moving

floral sleet
floral sleet
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I was thinking about it but it pushed me

slow marsh
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Like imagine using mut on 1 or q but then have to move left

oak tangle
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in the rythm, get that groove

wispy epoch
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Why not enhance

slow marsh
cobalt sphinx
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yeah you still have time to go enhance

spice spire
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Because I’m a hater

cobalt sphinx
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it's not soulbound yet

slow marsh
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But now i'm washed at everything and i'm trying to figure out what is actually the best

oak tangle
glad osprey
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Does anyone know how to sim different items?

slow marsh
glad osprey
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I'm new to simming

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genuinely not sure what to pic

spice spire
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Yes what are you trying to sim specific

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Oh that’s easy

oak tangle
glad osprey
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trying to compare different items from vault

spice spire
oak tangle
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oh vault ocmapre

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ye

spice spire
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Then go to top gear

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Paste that on

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Select all vault items

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And then run it

glad osprey
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idk if stitchflesh scalpel is good but its myth and my other weapons (regicide and blood kissesd) are hero

spice spire
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And best will pop out

glad osprey
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ohhhh

oak tangle
spice spire
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Weapon likely

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But it’s a good exercise for learning! Also don’t forget to max each piece out with crests

glad osprey
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ty :) yeah im new

spice spire
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You’re good big dog

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I remember the log

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Honest questions are very understandable and welcome 🙂
we were all new at some point, best to come at it with helpfulness than trolling

glad osprey
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ya i totally agree

spice spire
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Once you know enough I’ll troll tho, like with @slow marsh

oak tangle
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i'm still new

glad osprey
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LOL

spice spire
slow marsh
oak tangle
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dont look in sub chat

arctic venture
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blizzard is killing us not fixing the bugs

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damn it.

spice spire
oak tangle
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my questions are obscure, and so in depth even whispyr can't answer

glad osprey
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btw how many enemies do ya'll use fans on

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is it 3+ or just 2

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i keep hearing different answer

spice spire
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2+ with mod rolling iirc

oak tangle
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bruh i daze the f out and fan on 1 some times

spice spire
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Safe for 3

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But also if you’re running deathstalker every clear the witness you’ll use fan either way

oak tangle
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i have the proc for DN i fan, mentally cussing myself going dumbass you gotta hit the DN first

spice spire
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What’s dn

oak tangle
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and then there's in m+ when everything dies except one target but you still rolling with the fans

slow marsh
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bro i can't do it

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i tried to go to wasd

spice spire
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Bro Is too league coded

oak tangle
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low key though, how many fok enjoyers are there when the raiders in sob or similar mobs tell you to fuck off out of melee, so you fan while out there

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even on ST

slow marsh
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I dona't even play it anymore and it still manages to be toxic in my life somehow

spice spire
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I’d never

glad osprey
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i know u want to cast it once either way once u have the mark but like

spice spire
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Iirc momentum of despair dictates this

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But I could be on the good stuff

oak tangle
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see this is the question i would have for whispyr

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is it worth fokking, to keep up momentum of depair if a 5+ target CT is still rolling on a ST mob

coral ibex
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bro what

spice spire
oak tangle
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i did this week

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well last week

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cause orbs on bosses

glad osprey
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and alsoooooo how would I sim gems?

oak tangle
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but realistically, CTW covers it

glad osprey
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that's a bit more complicated but I assume I can optimize it since like

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there's 498181 combinations

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and idk what to use 😭

spice spire
oak tangle
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i chose to take 1 of all gem types, purely cause it means that doing gem combo sims can eat a dick

spice spire
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It’s a process without premium ngl

slow marsh
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what gives slice on envenom?

oak tangle
spice spire
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Cttc

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It’s not an extender anymore

oak tangle
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rekt

spice spire
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It just gives

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Sorry for working memz

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Mb

slow marsh
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bruh

spice spire
subtle tundra
slow marsh
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W

spice spire
oak tangle
spice spire
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Go to sleep wth

novel star
#

1pm HOLY

oak tangle
#

it's reset day

novel star
#

raid at 9 cant sleep HOLY

spice spire
#

Dog that’s 8 hours wdym can’t sleep

#

That’s the perfect time

novel star
#

cant fall asleep

#

also i need like an hour to wake up

spice spire
#

Krill issue

oak tangle
novel star
#

It’s more than that realistically

#

1hr is just like the minimum

oak tangle
#

low key, if i get up within 15 mins of waking, my legs sometimes stop working

spice spire
#

Old

oak tangle
#

i can'tt get angry, last time i got in a heated argument, they stopped working then too

novel star
#

who wins the age off between u 2

#

how old r u

oak tangle
#

imagine you get in a fist fight and your oponent just falls to the floor before you hit them

#

im 1994 born and raised

novel star
#

i feel like quake is like 28

#

don’t know the actual number

spice spire
#

Nah I’m older

#

32

novel star
#

just guessing

#

waow

oak tangle
#

i no longer have a number less than 3 in my age each year

spice spire
#

Yeah

slow marsh
novel star
#

well

#

you didn’t have to say that man

spice spire
novel star
#

oh nvm

slow marsh
#

Saturday I am

#

But i'm not there yet

spice spire
#

Hell yeah SoCute

coral ibex
#

32 is old

#

source: i’m 32

spice spire
#

Ye

novel star
#

32 isn’t very old

oak tangle
#

can confirm 30's is a cliff

spice spire
#

But I also can bench press ur pops so don’t sass me

#

Nah I started ramping at 30

novel star
#

but i’m 21 and my knees are fucked so what do i know

#

maybe i’ll feel like 30 is old when i’m 30

coral ibex
oak tangle
#

i wish my ailments were an age thing

spice spire
#

Like outside of the end of last year being cataclysmic for me mentally.
30s have been chill

novel star
#

ur not old until like 55

oak tangle
#

see if i make it there

novel star
#

54 still has a kick to it

#

when i say the number in my head

oak tangle
#

55 sounds like grey hairs on the side, chilling in linen shirts drinking cocktails by the pool

static fable
#

which one?

coral ibex
#

buddy my beard started greying last year

spice spire
iron valve
spice spire
#

Idk the rest of your stuff

spice spire
oak tangle
#

😮

#

my forehead is rapidly incresing in size, and yoinked my first grey like 5 years ago

#

anyone watching the chinese MDI?

#

i'm slightly confused why the stream ui is in chinese, cause youtube is banned there

#

with english commentary

#

oh damn i got baited, its a rebroadcast

#

still tho

glad osprey
#

guys

#

why is my treacherous transmitter simming high than skardyns

#

higher

#

and what one do i use ._.

novel star
spice surge
#

On ST ye

novel star
lone cairn
#

meowdy sin rogues 02_animecatwave
hows everyones vault

novel star
#

socket

glad osprey
#

I don't mind playing around the transmitter

#

it's just weird with everyone here saying skardyns is the best when my transmitter is simming higher

coral ibex
#

the marginal gain from transmitter is lost by having to do silly things to activate it

novel star
#

i don’t think anyone says skardyns does more damage than transmitter

#

it’s just aids to play

coral ibex
#

are you gonna go stand in fire to activate your trinket

novel star
coral ibex
#

aim this hyperpantsgrab

glad osprey
novel star
#

you cant control where it moves if it’s the orb

glad osprey
#

yeah ik

#

its kind of rng

novel star
#

and most safespots are rng

#

so like

#

fake but true ish

coral ibex
#

i’ll be pressing skardyn with a smile

novel star
#

idk

#

i got transmitter on my dh and it’s like

glad osprey
#

i feel like on rogue the transmitter isn't that difficult to use compared to other classes

novel star
#

playable for sure

#

but it’s still kinda cancer

#

and i would stop playing it if i got skardyns on her

glad osprey
#

yeah I have both

coral ibex
#

upgrading one trinket doesn’t discount the other slot right

glad osprey
#

how big of a difference does the skardyn's make?? like idk

coral ibex
#

that is answered by a sim

lusty crescent
#

!guide

glad osprey
#

I can always swip swap like maybe skardyns will be better in raid when more stuff is going on

spice spire
#

Sure

oak tangle
#

i feel like transmitter would be less aids on sin that most other specs

spice spire
#

Makes sense

#

Yeah but brain no thinky

#

Me press button and do nothing and damage pops out

coral ibex
#

get filtered xd

oak tangle
#

i say this as im trying to learn sub atm

#

and the intricate piano you need to play every 1.5 mins

lusty crescent
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
proven jasper
#

Sub mentioned gigachad

glad osprey
#

outlaw and assassination are fun but idk if i'd ever play sub

spice spire
#

Buncha bottoms in chat

#

Disgusting

novel star
proven jasper
glad osprey
#

although mind you i havent played outlaw since shadowlands LOL

oak tangle
#

i mostly only play sin

glad osprey
#

so it couldve changed a tonn

spice spire
#

The double ping is vile kekdog

spice spire
novel star
#

triple @spice spire

spice spire
#

Crazy

oak tangle
#

sec tec era sub is fun though

spice spire
#

I need that skipnoz clip

red epoch
#

Hi, how much % Haste should I have as an Assa?

spice surge
#

!stats

prisma monolithBOT
#

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
  • Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
spice spire
#

What eleem said

coral ibex
#

however much the sims say would be best

oak tangle
#

is this psy ops

#

why do so many sprouts ask about haste %

coral ibex
#

haste is not an important stat

#

bc it is important on many other specs

#

!design

prisma monolithBOT
#

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

  • No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
  • 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
  • You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target
spice spire
#

Because fotm rollers haven’t played sin since 8.3

#

And 8.3 it was a haste stacking class

oak tangle
#

fair

coral ibex
spice spire
#

Even tho rogue in 9.1 was insane, all 3 specs were so no real reason to ask specific about sin

oak tangle
#

nah i dont play it, but i am awar

#

just as long as there isn't some nefarious guide or something out there telling them to check their haste %

spice spire
#

Even if there is that’s why this discord exists

#

To dispel false narratives SmileDog

coral ibex
#

also outlaw has haste reqs

#

2 different ones based on spec

oak tangle
#

can we split rogue into rogue and pirate

#

and then give outlaw a second spec that's some kinda cringe aug competitor

#

bar whench spec

gritty laurel
#

i'd play it

oak tangle
#

throw out the rums and stuff like the freehold boss

slate crown
# oak tangle why do so many sprouts ask about haste %

Because people like agency in their damage and something they are able to target and control is stats. And if it’s a value they can have choice in, they want it to mean something and make a difference. It’s an intuitive thing to think that if you can pick your gearing and stats, that it matters (and it might for other specs). peeposhrug it makes sense to me why new folks would ask

keen spruce
#

support pirate throws barrels of ale and wenches at you

#

bard class

slate crown
#

It just turns out stats don’t matter for us

keen spruce
oak tangle
#

you all make good points, however my haste is too low to read them all

slate crown
#

I’ve yapped myself into clapbacks

spice spire
slow marsh
#

is there anything i should be looking out for while leveling other than mining / herbalism

oak tangle
#

walls

spice spire
#

I’d recommend leveling up your delves to 3 initially

slate crown
#

Little purple dirts on the ground

spice spire
#

Delves are really good process to gesr

#

Since this is your first toon you have to unlock each manually

oak tangle
#

yeah and delves are a quick way to 75-76 from 70

#

if you do each one once

craggy ruin
#

yo

#

am i the only one that does not get accepted that often in keys

oak tangle
#

i dont pug much, but you gotta compete with 630+ peeps now

craggy ruin
#

i have 14s in time and i don't get accepted to 13s that i need

#

i am 632

#

ain't that bad

hasty spade
#

Transmitter in M+ is cancer, only reason i would go transmitter over skardyns is for Sub spec as it has 1.5 min cds and also sub just mash single target rotation in aoe no need to keep track on 4-5 dots etc ez.

pliant remnant
#

You're the only one

craggy ruin
oak tangle
pliant remnant
#

pepesmile👍

subtle tundra
subtle tundra
#

ill fuck you

pliant remnant
#

Stream it

spice spire
subtle tundra
#

?!? for my bday

spice spire
#

Also it’s cute that you think you’re the top here

spice spire
#

Get woke

subtle tundra
#

its a get out of jail card, my birthday man

spice spire
#

For you

craggy ruin
spice spire
#

It ain’t for me king

oak tangle
#

what's the us terminology? hall pass?

spice spire
#

Flavor of the month

oak tangle
# craggy ruin what a hell is fotm

yeah, the people who see sin as a good dps so swap to it, then only learn half the damage rotation and none of the defensive / utility

spice spire
ember mural
#

@oak tangle what'd you do to the homie

oak tangle
#

i gave him a moment of despair

spice spire
#

Momentum buddy

#

God

oak tangle
#

ok now i can see the sun

#

good morning peeps

gloomy heart
#

can anyone explain this weeks affix for me, ive never done that one

ebon prism
#

elusiveness gives 20% dr with evasion and the bait+switch does 20% magic dr with evasion. do those stack?

spice spire
ebon prism
#

is evasion now a giga magic dr defensive?

spice spire
#

But bug fixes happen all the time and for all I know that’s changed kekdog

ebon prism
#

is kyveza dmg magic or physical?

gloomy heart
snow kindle
ebon prism
#

oh, dang. so elusiveness + bait/switch may not stack?

#

that sucks

snow kindle
#

I don’t know why it wouldn’t stack

gloomy heart
#

idk if i even want sacbrood

snow kindle
#

It should

lethal turtle
#

Think we are being gaslit by the quaker

spice spire
#

I mean it should

#

But I remember specifically checking logs for it

#

And the mitigation % was the same

snow kindle
#

Elusiveness is all dmg talent bait and switch is magic

spice spire
#

Even then Shruge

gloomy heart
#

im abt to take this helm over myth track sac LOL

lethal turtle
#

yes wtf

snow kindle
#

Just take the sacbrood wat

#

Helm so easy to get

spice spire
lethal arrow
#

esp that helm

exotic apex
#

hey i got hero contract

lethal arrow
#

its off bloodbound

exotic apex
snow kindle
#

Unless like you ONLY m+

spice spire
#

Even then

lethal arrow
#

and even then sac

spice spire
#

There’s a lot of helms in the pool

#

Only one sac

gloomy heart
#

Hmm

#

Its simming better sac, but i feel like thats bc i have no haste

spice spire
#

Doesn’t sac also give haste

brazen zodiac
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
gloomy heart
#

it wants me to have haste

spice spire
#

Yeah

snow kindle
#

Why do you not like sac to begin with

blissful cosmos
#

yo when we have 1 shiv do we use shiv for dps outside of dm and kingsbane ?

gloomy heart
#

It simmed worse in riad

blissful cosmos
#

how much of a dps gain is it

#

single target

coral ibex
#

no you don’t need to shiv

snow kindle
#

Practically nothing

coral ibex
#

it is worthless in aoe

gloomy heart
cloud yew
coral ibex
cloud yew
#

it increases kingsbane damage

ebon prism
cloud yew
#

spatter deals a portion of kingsbane damage

blissful cosmos
#

il jus thit it on cooldown

#

for whatever its worth

#

casue in single target i need everything in my mytic plus build

coral ibex
snow kindle
#

Yes just hit on CD

#

but not too late where you won’t have for KB

coral ibex
#

spatter is a residual

snow kindle
#

That’s it

blissful cosmos
#

yea

cloud yew
#

i aint discussing the semantics

runic hinge
#

Shiv increases damage taken by your target. Not damage done to your target so shiv doesn’t affect spatter

#

And the semantics means you’re wrong. But it blew my mind too

coral ibex
#

it’s not semantics you are just wrong

runic hinge
#

I’ll get out of bed

ebon prism
coral ibex
#

timestamp

ebon prism
#

done TO the target

#

your quote: "Not damage done to your target so shiv doesn't affect spatter"

coral ibex
#

i’m not engaging, you’re wrong and the math proves it. caustic is a residual effect

#

watch the video or not

proven jasper
#

It will increase your prio damage but you will not increase your spatter damage

#

Its ONLY to the target affected

coral ibex
#

which is why shiv is utterly useless in aoe

proven jasper
#

Yes

#

Unless arterial

coral ibex
#

which is rarely played in aoe

snow kindle
#

Well shiv does increase bleed dmg done

limber lion
#

Priest running with 3p tier set

#

Hmm

proven jasper
#

LMFAO

spice spire
proven jasper
#

Yeah how dare you expose them for being stupid

spice spire
#

Please give me the tip

limber lion
#

It wasn't even a tip

proven jasper
limber lion
#

Just a question

spice spire
coral ibex
#

easiest right click leave group

limber lion
#

Weird one

spice spire
#

Ye ngl

#

That’s really weird behavior

#

Oh well

limber lion
#

Then their premade friend said this

#

Very interesting duo

#

Bad day to log in, maybe I go back to Runescape

slow marsh
snow kindle
#

Two rings is strange I’ll admit

proven jasper
#

Alot less strange than 3pc tho

limber lion
#

Why would it be strange?

snow kindle
#

Cause a crafted piece would be better since they give agi

limber lion
#

If rings are the only upgrades you can get with sparks

snow kindle
limber lion
#

Why would it be weird

ebon prism
# coral ibex which is why shiv is utterly useless in aoe

ok i watched the video. it makes sense that shiv by itself does not increase your aoe damage, but a side note is that most of us have shiv + tea macro'ed together so the tea portion would increase your aoe by using it with your shiv

proven jasper
#

I simply just dont craft anythiny

snow kindle
#

I mean yeah if it’s your last thing you can upgrade it ain’t strange

patent snow
#

How do we play Subterfuge? Is that not redundant with Imp Garrote?

snow kindle
#

I didn’t think ppl are on their last upgrades already tho

limber lion
#

Yeah I mean sure I can craft a belt instead and take a 0.5% dps loss

#

instead of a 0.4% dps gain from the ring

#

:-)

snow kindle
#

Idk what’s a normal amount of crafts currently

limber lion
#

Not 636

snow kindle
#

Oh

limber lion
#

All of my gear is 619 or more*

snow kindle
#

Then who cares

tropic cedar
snow kindle
#

I thought you meant 636 rings

limber lion
#

No

#

Only got a 636 dagger

snow kindle
#

Two 636 is what I meant by weird currently

limber lion
#

Yeah, using gilded on that stuff would be dumb

#

Yuupyup

gloomy heart
#

yeah idk sac wasnt simming good for me in m+/raid so i took helm

#

i never get loot from raid anyways

snow kindle
#

L

limber lion
#

Yeah fuck the sac

#

I'm a Sac hater

gloomy heart
#

^

#

not a fan of it

ebon prism
#

how does subterfuge increase our dps? doesnt MA last 12 seconds? does it somehow increase it by 6 more?

gloomy heart
#

hero crystal diffs it

spice spire
#

Ma does not last 12s

#

It lasts 6

limber lion
#

And only with it

spice spire
#

^

ebon prism
#

ohhhhh gotcha

#

didnt know it changed the talent tooltip

tropic cedar
limber lion
#

Yeah tooltips often change dynamically depending on your other talent choices

ebon prism
#

very cool ty

limber lion
#

Sometimes they're a bit wonky, don't get too hung up on them

limber lion
tropic cedar
ebon prism
#

so... hitting shiv on cd outside of kb isnt rly worth at all in aoe. it just risks that i may not have shiv up for when kb is up

#

right?

snow kindle
#

Yes

tropic cedar
#

if you send it right when it come off cd it should be up relatively soonish when your next kb is up

snow kindle
#

Small gain but not worth

tropic cedar
#

but yes its a minor gain

ebon prism
#

yeah but bothering to do that when it only affects ST when u dont have cd's rolling anyway

#

very little

#

ok cool thx

snow kindle
#

It works in aoe

#

Just not cause caustic

ebon prism
#

what does it do in aoe?

gusty mirage
snow kindle
#

Increased bleeding dmg done

#

If you’re running arterial

quaint knoll
#

!shiv

#

isn't there a shiv macro?

limber lion
#

!tea

prisma monolithBOT
#

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
limber lion
#

This one only

ebon prism
limber lion
#

It's 619...

ebon prism
#

oh 619 doesnt matter at all

limber lion
#

Don't press it in AoE

#

Only with KB

ebon prism
#

rank 2 authority of the depths on 636 weapon, now THAT is minus points

limber lion
#

Hey now, it's the same enchant I got day 1

#

got sentimental value

ebon prism
#

hahaha

snow kindle
ornate wagon
#

entering a new pack with darkest night buff active is it ok to enter in stealth mark target with ambush then consume darkest night buff with 7 cp envenom after? ty

ebon prism
#

no sockets on your trailspinner neck!! reeeee

limber lion
#

too expensive

ebon prism
#

no sockets on one of the crafted rings too!

#

damn gotta get your money up

limber lion
#

too expensive

#

I don't play the game actively anymore so no money making either

gusty mirage
#

no sockets in your mouth for my nuts either

limber lion
#

Only consumption

gusty mirage
#

GOT EM BOYS

#

WE GOT CEV

#

hypergrab @limber lion

primal egret
limber lion
#

Oh no, not the nuts!

swift dagger
#

!up

keen spruce
#

it gave me another fancy neck

waxen oyster
spice spire
#

Casual btw

keen spruce
#

i take shoulders i desperately need stamina

keen spruce
spice spire
#

Okay pilot boy

#

Do it pussy

keen spruce
#

my 566 warlock got a hero ritual knife

#

from doin 2 delves

spice spire
keen spruce
spice spire
#

Man doesn’t need proc rate luck

#

So it’s all gone to loot

waxen oyster
#

i got knife in my 3rd delve vault slot on rogue

#

despite it said i had 3 t8 sltos

#

well 584

#

so kinda bugged out

#

myth spyglass in m+ though

runic hinge
desert raptor
#

is there a macro that sets this spell automaticaly on tnak ?

runic hinge
#

!tott

prisma monolithBOT
#

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
waxen oyster
#

my dh got queen ring before my rogue

keen spruce
spice spire
runic hinge
#

Ring was huge

keen spruce
#

ring all day

runic hinge
#

trinket was only .3

#

I have 626 knife

waxen oyster
#

cant make me play hero transmitter

#

over hero skardyn

coral ibex
#

you install the weakaura and press the macro

runic hinge
waxen oyster
#

ngl im surprised spyglass is still my highest passive trinket

runic hinge
#

and it'll automatically go on your tank

gusty mirage
#

how about them apples

waxen oyster
#

pfttt

keen spruce
#

but i got a myth crystal so it's slightly better

waxen oyster
#

its my 2nd highest stacked stat and still

keen spruce
#

crit gud thumb

waxen oyster
#

at same ilvl

keen spruce
#

well yeah my spyglass is hero

#

in ST spyglass would be better at same ilvl

waxen oyster
#

last week i got the nw vers ring

#

good if i ever play outlaw again

waxen oyster
real otter
#

What kind of attacks does feint help with, is it just fire circles or if the boss pulses damage does that also reduce dmg taken