I’ve done this a fair amount of times the other day and it’s super annoying
#assassination
glad osprey
glad osprey
I wouldn’t say it’s super common but it does happen occasionally
bleak spoke
not having a mark sucks ass, the force crit envenom spatter is so so so much dmg
rotund oak
I’ve done this a fair amount of times the other day and it’s super annoying
today i did couple of NWs,realized that the mark vanishes if u kill a construct some times
bleak spoke
and clear the witnesses both smooths out your combo point intake and does good damage
rotund oak
also super annoying
glad osprey
today i did couple of NWs,realized that the mark vanishes if u kill a construct ...
Yeah I realized this too, for some reason my mark sometimes vanishes
bleak spoke
today i did couple of NWs,realized that the mark vanishes if u kill a construct ...
you can lose it randomly if you apply it in the global the frontal/fear guys die if they had a shield on them too ;-;
glad osprey
Like after an add dies sometimes you don’t get the darkest night proc
And can’t reapply it
bleak spoke
it's actually really bad
rotund oak
you can lose it randomly if you apply it in the global the frontal/fear guys die...
yup
bleak spoke
cuz you walk into next pack and you hit garrote and you're like WAIT WAIT WAIT NO GO BACK
glad osprey
and then if vanish is off cd and people are chain pulling its so bad
rotund oak
its whatever but some things kinda kill ur dps a bit
kindred hinge
Villager on mist/ first boss
Any thing that don't die properly + the bugs, can be frustrating fast
rotund oak
like u kill one construct,next is active no vanish,boss is hooked
bleak spoke
also like i swera most of the TWW dungeons, meld just don't work right
rotund oak
u need to nuke it
bleak spoke
it's actually awful
bleak spoke
trying to get a meld in stonevault
you meld on cd on trash and like 2 of them in the whole key actually works
it's crazy
glad osprey
I feel like blizzard should fix this
kindred hinge
and u stand there wondering,F am i doing now
Were you me on my last run ? Eerily similar
glad osprey
cuz if you can’t get a mark up it sucks so bad
bleak spoke
i think they designed the hero talent around subtlety being able to shadowstrike to apply it
and forgor
kindred hinge
With the wype at 2% to really push the knife in
rotund oak
Were you me on my last run ? Eerily similar
😅
bleak spoke
what's really crazy is blindside procs not
like
that's crazy to me
it feels like they didn't think about assassination ambush at all, and then also forgot that we don't have anticipation anymore with the TDN proc
like it being bugged with echoing was kind of to be expected, having it bugged on the release of supercharger was absolutely mindboggling
bleak spoke
in 5 pulls?
humble verge
total 5 pulls TODAY
bleak spoke
yall are owning 
humble verge
like 100+ wipes
bleak spoke
oh
humble verge
total
glad osprey
Yeah it’s super punishing if you can’t get the mark up, blizz should make another way to apply it incase all fails
humble verge
should have it todaylol
bleak spoke
actually they are killing it next pull
humble verge
we only messed up eggs
bleak spoke
it's scheduled
humble verge
real
glad osprey
It’s dumb how even in raid I have to time my vanishes to make sure to be able to switch from boss to adds etc
bleak spoke
It’s dumb how even in raid I have to time my vanishes to make sure to be able to...
it's just so cooked randomly in so many places
bleak spoke
like having to start KB early on ingra moloch is bad enough gameplay, like having to pass the mark over midway through killing droman is just insanely bad
glad osprey
YEAH LOL
slow marsh
I leave for an whole xpac and we still have the same issues
Thank God we have the TCS we do right. Imagine if we didn't
bleak spoke
idk man, i've played most classes/specs this expansion at least a little bit and nothing feels as fun as rogue, nothing ever really has for me 
glad osprey
literally any fight where you have to switch targets feels clunky asf
with the long ass vanish cd
bleak spoke
which is why i really think they only had subtlety in mind when they designed the hero talent
cuz like
errant mauve
court drives me nuts
bleak spoke
lmao just shadowstrike yeah
glad osprey
and then I feel like I’m losing dps if I save the vanish
errant mauve
cause you get dmg amp but cant freely swap mark
bleak spoke
i mean it's not just a feeling, you are definitely losing damage 
glad osprey
Yeahhhh… LOL
bleak spoke
tbh it should have been an off global like MFD or something
glad osprey
I honestly wouldn’t mind deathmark being it’s own button
royal lantern
deathmark should be applied with rupture if no deathmark is out
assa/sub both use rupture
lime parrot
Guys , @ the opener you wait till you stack up the 3 stacks and do cd's in darkest night? Or you start directly with cds`?
bleak spoke
also having it freeze when you have a TDN is also a bit insane to me
like why can i not hold my TDN
with some leeway
humble verge
parasite dmg plz
mid pull sorry
glad osprey
Idk if I’m doing it right but I usually ambush and try to get an envenom up before popping cds
bleak spoke
i really really don't see an issue with being able to progress the mark with tdn active
but i guess maybe it's bad for pvp or something
idk
rotund oak
mid pull sorry
ethical gaming 
bleak spoke
force crit is powerful
bleak spoke
blastin 
rotund oak
1 on ovi :3
im not surprised that there are two DS rets above u,that cringe@ss spec and fury chocking on rage
glad osprey
Rn I’m struggling with saving energy bcuz I find myself spamming to try and get those death marks down but at the same time I should be always trying to save envenoms
rotund oak
actually based
humble verge
im not surprised that there are two DS rets above u,that cringe@ss spec and fury...
they were 1, but because adds were dying so slowly
the top pala there swapped
glad osprey
When do you guys pop an envenom like how many seconds left do you have on one
rotund oak
When do you guys pop an envenom like how many seconds left do you have on one
last second
glad osprey
LOL
humble verge
more like 300% uptime
rotund oak
no saliva
bleak spoke
you can optimize entering small KB by dropping it a few seconds before and then acquiring the buff before hitting kb but like whispyr says it's barely better than margin of error or seomthing
rotund oak
glad osprey
Yeah that’s how I’ve been playing honestly
rotund oak
thats basicly some crazy minmaxing
bleak spoke
it's always annoying when something like that which seems like it should be intuitive to the mastery of playing a spec isn't actually a noticeable gain imo
glad osprey
Or do you wait to sync it with DM
glad osprey
So it’s worth it to wait an extra minute or whatever ?
mint urchin
No you send it solo on off minutes
glad osprey
No I just use it off cd
final dawn
did i miss something or does no one want to go with assa in pugs (13+) anymore? I am looking for a group for over two days now and i did not get a single invite.
bleak spoke
if your fuck up your timings and you send your small kb a bit late, you hold your upcoming big KB for deathmark
glad osprey
after I use it with the dm
mint urchin
If you have to wait a couple seconds for KB to align with em that's fine, but otherwise you should be sending it on CD and align with DM every even minute
rotund oak
No I just use it off cd
nice then u are good,they naturally sync with a smol 15-20sec inconsistency type of thang
if u press on cd they will sync
unavoidably
mint urchin
It can get wonky in M+ but same rules apply
bleak spoke
it's like at most like 7-10 seconds of natural rotational drift i think
glad osprey
look I’ve been playing this for a month and I still only parse like 80% max in heroics I gotta see where I’m going wrong LOL
bleak spoke
it's better boss dmg is the big thing
mint urchin
I mean it's worth even for ST yea?
glad osprey
No
bleak spoke
no not pure single
mint urchin
If it's hitting multiple targets I mean
glad osprey
I’ve heard it’s good for 3+ targets
fallen arch
2
bleak spoke
if you can hit 2 targets with it, it's worth pressing for ST
mint urchin
He's talking Ovi so I assume he's hitting multiple
bleak spoke
(also technically if you have a proc of momentum of despair after using CTW on single in a dungeon you can finish with CT)
glad osprey
Is it worth speccing into it on a council fight then??? I have only been running it on ovinax
spice surge
(also technically if you have a proc of momentum of despair after using CTW on s...
Not since the tier got buffed
fallen arch
Is it worth speccing into it on a council fight then??? I have only been running...
Def
fallen arch
U run it on silken too
glad osprey
Really? Dang I’ve just been using the suggested builds on icy veins and tweaking them to my liking
But I thought the only fight you spec CT is ovinax
fallen arch
It is suggested on wowhead to do so
spice surge
Just because its worth using on 2 targets when you have it specced doesnt mean its necessarily worth dropping the talents for it
bleak spoke
Not since the tier got buffed
i'm assuming it's still worth to press on 2t for single, without momentum, even if second is a smallie that won't survive for you to get dps value off the cast itself right
coral ibex
i don’t think so
bleak spoke
like it's more boss dmg in that scenario right
spice surge
i'm assuming it's still worth to press on 2t for single, without momentum, even ...
yes
bleak spoke
okay good
glad osprey
what fights do ya’ll run ct on I have to take note of this
coral ibex
ovinax
silk sundial
The 2 bosses on silken aren't stacked enough for CT to be worth it imo
spice surge
Ovinax
coral ibex
that’s it
glad osprey
That’s what I thought but there are people here saying to use it on diff fights
fallen arch
silk sundial
Council is not court.
bleak spoke
i imagine it could work-ish on silken court but sounds like a lot of playing very very very good
fallen arch
Silken is not a council fight? In that case my bad
bleak spoke
for probably not even a gain
fallen arch
Would council be considered 3 bosses then?
bleak spoke
bosses are split too often
if they were stacked it would be good
i think?
i'm pretty sure
icy comet
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coral ibex
most of your damage in court comes from aligning amps to your cds and getting good cleave
silk sundial
If they were next to each other the whole time sure, but with their phases they spend more time apart than together
bright surge
!shiv
fallen arch
Thank you
humble verge
jesus
silk sundial
I still struggle with parses on heroic Court. My last couple have been in the 8s.
Check top logs, no one runs CT on court
humble verge
tempest is 12% of my damage
winged quail
how do you guys manage last boss CoT with a handicapped healer?
each mechanic kills from half hp through feint elu
royal lantern
I still struggle with parses on heroic Court. My last couple have been in the 8s...
tf are you talking about
fallen arch
how do you guys manage last boss CoT with a handicapped healer?
Rip leave key
royal lantern
CT is more dmg then envenom at 2 targets
bleak spoke
how do you guys manage last boss CoT with a handicapped healer?
feint the splice not the slam etc
royal lantern
court is 2 targets for half the fight
bleak spoke
the majority of the dmg from the boss comes from the splice
royal lantern
so ofc you play CT there
humble verge
how do you guys manage last boss CoT with a handicapped healer?
i thought you meant handicapped tank
winged quail
feint the splice not the slam etc
i feinted every mechanic but heal leaves me on 50% hp for everything and if i dont pot or cloak im dead
gloomy hinge
Whats up with grim batol and blinding making the second boss add fixates go on tank?
bleak spoke
get a macro that does /y 'ELP I NEED 'EALING
royal lantern
Whats up with grim batol and blinding making the second boss add fixates go on t...
blind/cloak/vanish makes them change target
dont use any of them
winged quail
any cc makes GB ads change focus it's very dangerous
winged quail
oh fair
bleak spoke
that is the only cc that is not banned
mint urchin
Just stun or throw dagger to apply crippling if it's on you
gloomy hinge
Just stun or throw dagger to apply crippling if it's on you
cant stun, it blows up on me
last 2 times i tried at max range
i blew up and wiped the fight
bleak spoke
if you're not the one fixated it can't blow up on you
if you are fixated you cannot walk up
winged quail
FoK outranged them at least
man I don't get how a healer can handle 2nd to last boss CoT but not last boss
mint urchin
I just use throw dagger to get it snared to then get around to boss or kill other add when I'm focused
winged quail
i guess moving breaks their brains
bleak spoke
the healing profile is burstier as well
glad osprey
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/38#boss=2921&class=Rogue&spec=Assassi...
ty for clearing up my noob rogue confusion
bleak spoke
like you have to top people after splice so they don't get slammed to death or rooted to death
royal lantern
ty for clearing up my noob rogue confusion
bro
dont listen to that guy lol
you play CT and the cleave build on that fight
glad osprey
but these are like actual stats
silk sundial
If you look at whyspers build for court, you don't run CT
gloomy hinge
what is CT?
glad osprey
there isn’t one top parse with ct isn’t that weird
royal lantern
If you look at whyspers build for court, you don't run CT
he literally does
winged quail
I think CT was better before MA buffs potentially, the added burst in amp phases could be worth more than CT in shorter reclears I guess
gloomy hinge
what is CT
bleak spoke
crimson tempest
gloomy hinge
ty
bleak spoke
i think the shorter your kill is the worse it gets
gloomy hinge
3k io rogue i dont even know the frickin abbreviations
bleak spoke
gets harder to snipe the adds for extra dmg etc
winged quail
but yeah top 100 has 0 CT use now lol
humble verge
but yeah top 100 has 0 CT use now lol
they dont? D:
bleak spoke
on silken they don't, no
winged quail
not according to Warcraft Logs
winged quail
even Mythic it's not picked now, never take it on HC either
bleak spoke
i think i played it in our really, really early splits or something but
royal lantern
I think CT was better before MA buffs potentially, the added burst in amp phases...
you cant really benefit from the dmg amps as assa
bleak spoke
i recall not liking it
royal lantern
like, holding cdss for them or just sending makes not really any real difference
cus the amp is kinda sshort
winged quail
i try and line the amp with end of KB but it's not 100% reliable
bleak spoke
i try and line the amp with end of KB but it's not 100% reliable
dispel was late go next
winged quail
yup
bleak spoke
dispel is on me this is my cloak thank god etc
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glad osprey
you're using the clear the witnesses proc
what does this do again
bleak spoke
hero talent, after applying the mark your next fok will generate an extra combo point and do some extra dammy
cerulean maple
question abt sikran mythic
do u guys delay cds for after first phaseblades?
or just shoot right away and hoep u dont get phasebladed
glad osprey
hero talent, after applying the mark your next fok will generate an extra combo ...
Is this just after applying the mark
keen spruce
bleak spoke
every time you apply a new mark
glad osprey
So everytime you apply the mark you wanna use fan of knives once
cerulean maple
lmfao alright bet
bleak spoke
you have 12 seconds to use it
glad osprey
Ty
royal lantern
So everytime you apply the mark you wanna use fan of knives once
yes
bleak spoke
so there's a bit of leeway
royal lantern
like, just instead of mutilate its FoK 1x
bleak spoke
basically the leeway is only really relevant in m+ cuz you might want to apply spatter first etc
in raid, effectively it's a better rate of combo points vs energy expenditure and damage etc
glad osprey
Congrats
twin spoke
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forest nacelle
is there a bug where deathmark dosen't contribute from 5+ CP finishers? like the 3 that it needs isn't going down sometimes after a vanish, or atleast its not tracking on my WA.... IDK really.
balmy condor
he literally does
balmy condor
is there a bug where deathmark dosen't contribute from 5+ CP finishers? like the...
If you have a darkest night proc active you can’t consume marks
royal lantern
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Y2pn6BWJbTmjra7Z#boss=2921&difficulty=5&wip...
your wowhead build has it 
cerulean maple
send and pray
ive done this twice and he gave me blades both times
i might cry
gonna try holding until right after dashes
see if that works
forest nacelle
If you have a darkest night proc active you can’t consume marks
yeah that would make sense, man thats annoying xD
cerulean maple
see if that works
gives you jsut enough time to do ur whole dps window before next blades
balmy prism
fucking finally big slug is ded
royal lantern
GZ
balmy prism
dad guild overcomes
royal lantern
nexus princess is a way better fight
balmy prism
yeah it looks actually interesting
like 95% of our wipes were because of people missing eggs
if not 99%
super fun and enjoyable
tender kelp
Hi, quick question - is Sacbrood trinket better than Spyglass? I have 626 Skardyn to it, and sacbrood is 613 hero. Spyglass only 606 veteran
I looked on wowhead and both seemed great, so wanted to ask in here
balmy prism
generally sac is higher ST
cerulean maple
you can always sim it on raidbots
balmy prism
but go for whatever is higher ilvl atm
cerulean maple
whats w all of u actually getting bis trinkets wtf
timber meadow
why do assa rogues almost exclusively run cheat on court? isn't elusiveness really good for the dot if you're a web holder?
royal lantern
the web dmg is not really a concern
never died to that
but a shitton of web break deaths
court in general is not really a fight where you die to dot dmg, but just instant deaths scus of mechanic failrues
timber meadow
aight yeah i think its just first prog-day and things aren't clean then, def felt like web dmg was aggressive today
but that often happens first day of pulls
yeah that makes sense tbh
royal lantern
whats w all of u actually getting bis trinkets wtf
you see the 3 people a day that post their trinket luck
and not the 400 people that are on GB run #68 for the trinket
cerulean maple
thats true
timber meadow
think it took me 38 recorded runs + prob ~6 runs that didn't finish
manic quartz
rocking mythic skardyn and crystal :3
balmy prism
how does cheat work on ky'veza with the 10% execute? Not worth running?
rare isle
coral ibex
how does cheat work on ky'veza with the 10% execute? Not worth running?
cheat will just let you live eating an orb which you shouldn't ever do anyway
balmy prism
alright fair thank you dads
balmy condor
your wowhead build has it <:monkascheme:585734083590750219>
Hmm definitely shouldn’t, I’ll fix it when I get home
royal lantern
how does cheat work on ky'veza with the 10% execute? Not worth running?
it does work, but its a bit weird
like, you get "executed"->CD procs and puts you at 7% hp->the healers have a couple seconds to heal you up or another execute will happen
i would just run elussivnes on that fight cus it feels more valuable for the intermission tbh
balmy prism
yeah we did a couple of pulls and it was nice to have in intermission
analog hornet
Why are all builds in wow-head now with subterfuge (except the Raid-Build)? 😅
royal lantern
because they changed subterfuge and its actually good now
final dawn
any cheat code to get in m+ groups? Q'ing so much without getting invites
analog hornet
But is supercharger not better? The most Time we are doing Prio-Dmg. And in Thyranical? 🤔😅
vast patio
dungeons are still 90% trash on tyr week
analog hornet
Yea, so more AoE-Dmg are not important 😅
winged quail
There are supercharger builds that do well in M+ but Subterfuge gives a lot more flexibility and generally better damage overall
remember, Singular Focus funnels your AoE back into marked target for prio too
iron valve
nature, yes
vivid mulch
Is it better to just put radiant power on both daggers or a mix of depths and power
spice surge
Yea, so more AoE-Dmg are not important 😅
Well more vanishes for more ruptures in certain situation can be more prio damage
Its not as easy as without a trace = aoe and supercharger = more prio
vast patio
I'm a big fan of subt+lethality, but I'm also a nelf.
coral ibex
But is supercharger not better? The most Time we are doing Prio-Dmg. And in Thyr...
every weekly key is fortified and tyrannical, not really relevant
royal lantern
But is supercharger not better? The most Time we are doing Prio-Dmg. And in Thyr...
there is no tyrannical week anymore
and even back in the days you went aoe heavy in those weeks
cus tyrannical weeks meant you pulled bigger
humble verge
only 300 to go
yeah... the 11% we did
nowhere improved
had 1 20% rest a bunch of 40s and 30s
runic ice
So I'm fairly new to assassination, but is there a reason I pretty frequently encounter bosses/mobs that immune my shiv but then two more globals of trying it later it suddenly works?
alpine garden
Parry maybe?
runic ice
I mean it just was on the first boss of necwake
I press shiv, big yellow "Immune" text pops up
limber lion
It is immune to the non-lethal poison
Crippling Poison does not work on the boss
The Shiv itself and Improved Shiv does
runic ice
But then why is Shiv not going on cooldown when I use it there?
limber lion
What?
runic ice
Maybe I'm misunderstanding how Shiv works fundamentally
limber lion
That is not how the game works
eternal geode
2 charges? 😉
limber lion
If you use an ability, regardless if you get immuned or parried, the ability goes on cooldown
runic ice
Yeah, hence my confusion
limber lion
Maybe just playing double Shiv and getting confused or something idk
runic ice
I swear to god, I hit Shiv, the ability goes through and the GCD initiates, I see 'Immune', and have to press it again the next global or two and it finally goes through
limber lion
Yeah no, it does not work like that
You must be pressing a different abiltiy then
Have you checked your stealth bars?
west crown
Check talents for lightweight shiv. Then get back to us
limber lion
Maybe you have something else in place of Shiv there
runic ice
limber lion
It's just your stealth bars
west crown
shrug
limber lion
Most likely
runic ice
Might be that
I just made sure the shiv button is the same in stealth as non-stealth, will see if the issue happens again
limber lion
Should just have the exact same abilities on normal and stealth bars
runic ice
Normally I do but that's the only one I don't
limber lion
Yup
runic ice
Yeah that's probably what it was
limber lion
What did you have in place?
runic ice
I also have my bars hidden
So it'd explain why I wasn't seeing it
Cheap shot
Which yeah makes sense
limber lion
Yeah, definitely that
runic ice
Thought I was going crazy
limber lion
With Subterfuge, Stealth lasts for 12s
blazing warren
If your Ruptures are at ~11 seconds and you have a chance to refresh them with Indiscriminate Carnage still up for few seconds or doing more Envenoms and refreshing 1 by 1 Ruptures which one do you do?
runic ice
Also it being subterfuge makes sense because at that point in my opener, after another global or two I'm out of subterfuge so it goes back to being shiv and works
limber lion
If your Ruptures are at ~11 seconds and you have a chance to refresh them with I...
Really situational. Depends how many mobs there are, how long they're gonna live and so on
Generally it's fine to just continue pumping Envenoms, especially during cd's
worldly bridge
oii im still on kyveza mythic progress. Can i cos the dot part of the ability to trigger the ballz early and come back pumping faster ?
blazing warren
Our CDs end when Deathmark+Kingsbane finish ticking?
worldly bridge
Or it doesnt trigger it ? ive seen pallys do it
blazing warren
You can Cloak pre getting hit and it will not apply at all
But i think yes, you can also Cloak after getting hit
worldly bridge
You can Cloak pre getting hit and it will not apply at all
Does this mean no ballz at all ?
blazing warren
It does indeed mean no balls at all
worldly bridge
dont think so
late tusk
fock
I get raid wrists
But looks like i will need to craft to 636 and lose the progress
worldly bridge
you can flex wrist / belt / boots for this embellish
blazing warren
Do you apply Garrote to your main target in AoE if you can just do the normal one without Stealth?
Sort of outside of cooldowns
Or during only Kingsbane/Shiv
grim jay
Do you apply Garrote to your main target in AoE if you can just do the normal on...
Yes
I still do
Tho with subter its getting rather rare, as I often refresh garrote once towards the end of it
subtle tundra
ill touch you
coral ibex
just press feint
blazing warren
Im not gonna lie
Playing Outlaw with Elusiveness is so comfortable
Youre practicaly immortal
Making Feint be off GCD might be one of the wildest changes
merry bison
ill touch you
late tusk
What should i aim to level? 2º dagger? or wrist? or bots?
blazing warren
Dagger probably
warm vortex
What should i aim to level? 2º dagger? or wrist? or bots?
Sim
mystic hollow
IW question. It says "when used from stealth" does that include Subterfuge?
mint urchin
Yes
cerulean maple
better to drop MA or Sanguine for iron wire?
probably sang right
since subt 12second crit buff seems kinda insaneo worth
pliant remnant
full tide
I'd drop Sanguine
warm vortex
better to drop MA or Sanguine for iron wire?
Sim
Prolly SD if you have it if I were to guess
stoic temple
Hello! I have a general question about how Supercharger works.
According to how it reads, simply having supercharged combo points and using a finisher on them spends one and deals damage as if it had 2 additional combo points. And Echoing Reprimand is now an automatic thing with my next mutilate.
To clarify - I do not need to "Spend" the point with my combo tracker directly ontop of the supercharged combo point anymore, unlike how it worked in shadowlands.. right?
I can just build to 6 and spend with envenom, right?
royal lantern
yeha
supercharge is just "after shiv, next X finishers have additonal CP added"
you kinda ignore that it exists
spice surge
I would not recommend you talent into echoing reprimand ever until it gets buffed
Forced induction is significantly better
stoic temple
Perfect. Thanks! Forced Induction it is! :>
ruby bolt
Bit confused about bleed tick rate from PI so its effectively just more damage because it will tick faster and subsequently higher quantity of ticks during Deathmark? Sorry new to rogue
spice surge
Bit confused about bleed tick rate from PI so its effectively just more damage b...
Yes
spice surge
can we not use shadowstep to stay on the platform on ansurek?
You can, but you have to do it before you fly of the platform
desert crest
okay thx
gloomy hinge
66 runs for skardyns hero track
2nd week of rogue skardyns myth track. ez
gloomy hinge
What should i aim to level? 2º dagger? or wrist? or bots?
why is bro not equipping his 623 wrists
late tusk
why is bro not equipping his 623 wrists
cause of i lose embellish
thick sail
People who are smart at Weakauras: how do I make it so these defensive abilities aren't translucent and practically impossible to see for 40 year old eyes?
viral current
Is it worth reapplying rupture right before deathmarks runs out or does it not matter?
slow marsh
People who are smart at Weakauras: how do I make it so these defensive abilities...
Wouldn't it be easier to learn that if it's not on cd (number counting down) that it's available?
thick sail
In particular, when I'm PvPing, I look quickly at that section to see what's available
Neither the translucent, nearly impossible to see thing helps me see what's available
and the ability covered up by a giant ticking number doesn't help either
slow marsh
that's what i'm saying though, if you've used it then it'll be greyed out with a cd timer
if it's not grey with a cd timer then it's availble
thick sail
You want me to memorize
What isn't gray
versus
Just seeing what's available
Do you see how that's not intuitive?
Like I'm telling you that I can't see these icons when they're this translucent
I want them to be completely not translucent
slow marsh
I'm just saying that what you are asking is kind of, in and of itself, unintuitive because there's a reason it's set to the opacity that it is
thick sail
opaque, if you will
If you were actually right
They'd just disappear when they were available
Entirely disappear
Because there'd be no reason for them to clog up the screen
So I don't agree with your assessment
And ultimately, people play the game different ways
I want them to be opaque
I appreciate you trying to help, but you're not giving me the help I want
mystic hollow
People who are smart at Weakauras: how do I make it so these defensive abilities...
Change the alpha
Hold I'll show you
thick sail
Change the alpha
Thanks king
slow marsh
its not that deep
thick sail
@mystic hollow thank you, you gentle soul
It's deep, I've been playing unable to see the goddamn things for 2.5 expansions
slow marsh
And you never thought to search 'how to customize weakauras'
thick sail
I asked several times in chat, nobody answered
I also scoured the thing, how was I supposed to know "alpha" is translucency?
TF is wrong with you lmao
slow marsh
mb you right
hot ingot
Nah he's not
mystic hollow
I asked several times in chat, nobody answered
I also scoured the thing, how wa...
It's a common term in graphic design, but if you aren't in the field it's fair to not know
blissful pecan
Is it worth not taking crimson tempest on ovinax
Feels like adds wont stay that long
blissful pecan
Ok
spice surge
the spiders and worms live long enough
blissful pecan
Why are they so strong
slow marsh
I'm trying to rebind to wasd from qwe idk where to put my stuff anymore
humble verge
I'm trying to rebind to wasd from qwe idk where to put my stuff anymore
goddamn frenchie
wait no
how does azerty look
ah nvm
novel star
Feels like adds wont stay that long
you take it for boss damage
slow marsh
idk i dont have that
blissful pecan
But the little adds
humble verge
idk
novel star
doesn’t matter
slow marsh
i'm just saying when i used to play i strafe with qe and that was it but my binds were all ctrl + 1-5 and now I want to change to what normal people use
humble verge
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9brCxwNZ2DzjVJLT#fight=10&type=damage-done
we dont have a lot of equal pumpers
ill post our best wipe
novel star
tempest scales up to 5 mobs and it only needs like one add to technically be more damage than envenom
if you have 3 spiders up or something
you’re like
getting almost double an envenom
when u press ct
as
boss damage
novel star
it’s really absurdly good
you don’t care about the parasites, spatter is more than enough
humble verge
hmm
novel star
CT is for boss damage
humble verge
your adds seem to melt faster than ours
blissful pecan
So should i evenom only till little adds die and then crimson tempest?
humble verge
i get in more envenom+splatter damage
blissful pecan
How does this sound
novel star
no you should tempest early then mash envenoms
blissful pecan
Oki
humble verge
you insta-CT as soon as they are stacked
or spawn i guess
the area for CT is like
10 yards?
novel star
after grip id say
arctic tusk
Especially since u get a bunch of fok into envenoms
humble verge
where?
blissful pecan
So i wait out like 7 secs to fill it up
blissful pecan
When im doing ST
blissful pecan
3-1
blissful pecan
With 3 eggs
novel star
pooling a tiny bit to burst adds is probably good for parse farming
humble verge
cause it works for us
humble verge
esp for the guys with spymaster
novel star
🐱
humble verge
icrierritiem
blissful pecan
I guess ill change my gear a bit for assa
weary spear
Them pools are dumb asf
humble verge
instakills you at certain key levels :)
blissful pecan
I just shadowstep to jump over the pool
humble verge
had to 2 phase first boss but
blissful pecan
And i land on another pool under the boss 💀
humble verge
yeah but its hard to shadowstep when im not close enough to someone : (
yeah
thats the shitty thing
i had no option
humble verge
no
blissful pecan
Its so big
humble verge
yeah we were all full melee
but it was at the end
like 150m ish left
so many pools
was kinda sttuck because of the uh
link
couldnt be on the tanks side
so i was stuck in a place i didnt wanna be
glossy galleon
is master assassin not refreshing on vanish a known bug?
spice surge
Yep, need to wait it out before vanishing
(which you probably should be doing anyway to begin with, but yes its known)
hasty spade
could it be right that transmitter sims 8k higher than skardyn :o?
I'll take it , hate that minigame as assa in m+ xD
balmy condor
Transmitter is the stronger trinket technically because it’s condensed to 15 seconds not 20
But the haste on transmitter kinda dulls it
terse night
when is the most oppurtuned time to use vanish in rotation?
blazing totem
when you want to improved garrotte before deahtmark window
or to spread dots in AoE
or if you somehow lose your deathstalker mark
novel star
when you want to improved garrotte before deahtmark window
this is not correct anymore
blazing totem
no? my bad then
blazing totem
I see
novel star
carnage/iron wire/mark points are all good
but yea
on bosses and shit you just vanish for kingsbane damage
blazing totem
ok, makes sense
novel star
or for edge case if ur playing fatebound 
blazing totem
terse night
you vanish last 6s of kingsbane on dm+kb
whys that?
gloomy heart
Crit
terse night
cause you have 2 chrages is this the only time?
novel star
no
master assassin is just good
you vanish at that timing in raid
in dungeons technically you want to vanish at 12s on kb
so like 2 gcds after casting it lole
terse night
ok sounds good ty
novel star
bleeds kinda suck
kinsgbane kinda cranks
spending vanish on kb ends up being better
not true when chainpulling or something but yeah
gilded star
is there a channel for log review or can I feel free to post here?
novel star
just slam a link here
carmine latch
Tips to help keeping track on rupture, garrote on multiple target? its just so many debuffs on target :c
cobalt sphinx
blacklist the other debuffs
carmine latch
How do I do that though
spice surge
Either copy any of the platers from here or go into your buff settings and add the debuffs you dont want to see into the blacklist
!plater
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
carmine latch
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hollow gazelle
in aoe. is darkest night the biggest prio besides bleed spreads with spatter up
balmy condor
in aoe. is darkest night the biggest prio besides bleed spreads with spatter up
Well envenom in general is the prio
Nothing else to do after bleed spreading except pounding your spatter target
hollow gazelle
Well envenom in general is the prio
if you go up to a new pack out of stealth with darkest night. should you use the proc frist or bleed them?
weary spear
anyone have macro for tricks to auto target the tank? im using mouseover but not ideal
balmy condor
!tricks
prisma monolithBOT
Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
ionic flame
The maximum number of combo points is 7, but this means that it activates as if 9 combo points have been consumed, right?
When using "Superchager"
regal linden
I use this for raid
#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
/use [@mouseover, help, nodead]Tricks of the Trade
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
blazing totem
The maximum number of combo points is 7, but this means that it activates as if ...
yes, with capstone that would be +3 so up to 10
hollow gazelle
anyway to break roots during queen without using multiple vanishes?
onyx coyote
I'm seeing some rogues with crimson tempest as their highest aoe damage and some with caustic spatter is there a build change that causes this?
I'm finding that my aoe is still low and i'm not sure why
errant mauve
Just means they aren’t keeping splatter up and casting ct before it needs to be reapplied
gloomy heart
wish we had more melee range
feels like i have to be in a mobs asshole to do damage
hollow gazelle
does step break the roots in queen?
glad osprey
Should I use
skardyns grace and treacherous transmitter or skardyns grace and void reapers contract
and ik ya'll are gonna tell me to sim but its very situational
so i dont know if that can tell me a lot
spice surge
does step break the roots in queen?
No
primal yoke
With this build, what would you drop for Iron Wire?
hollow gazelle
bone and blade and pick up demise
regal linden
high key build.
most dropped ma
wise whale
skardyns grace and treacherous transmitter or skardyns grace and void reapers co...
Void reapers does piss dam In aoe, id only use that in raid
gloomy heart
Does any1 know if we get a catalyst charge tuesday
marble tusk
Can someone make a screenshot of the tier set head for comparison?
marble tusk
So what's so unique about this?
gloomy heart
So what's so unique about this?
I can convert it soon and it has avoidance socket on it
So tier head with avoidance socket
marble tusk
At first I thought it was one of those super rare weird BoEs from old addons that scaled because of m+
valid pulsar
anyone else have a problem where the caustic splatter icon doesnt glow in wa?
nvm its not a wa problem i guess the damage just doesnt even show up in my details
balmy condor
Where ping
valid pulsar
i didnt ping
yeah my caustic spatter isnt even registering as damage im doing wtf LMFAO
valid pulsar
yeah i had to restart game im not sure why it wasnt go it fixed
oak tangle
The maximum number of combo points is 7, but this means that it activates as if ...
with supercharger you can finish on lower cp you just have to get the equivalent of your max, i.e a super charger forced induction DN can be done with 4cp
exotic apex
Hey all, I’m thinking about coming back to rogue. What’s the easier spec looking like now days?
oak tangle
Nah like someone pinged
probs the same guy as last night, that told you to try in game, and then never came back
balmy condor
probs the same guy as last night, that told you to try in game, and then never c...
Ok but try it bro
gloomy heart
Hey all, I’m thinking about coming back to rogue. What’s the easier spec looking...
I mean every1 is playing assa
KEK
stray adder
rogue is probably the only spec where I can't say which one of the specs is easier
cunning needle
slightly warm take: assi is harder than people say and sub is easier than people think
stray adder
I think the hardest one is outlaw
cunning needle
if youre not a zoomer then yeah
stray adder
now between sub and sin, can't really tell
cunning needle
sin naturally lines up everything until you delay kingsbane because the pack is about to die
then it doesnt line up
hollow river
slightly warm take: assi is harder than people say and sub is easier than people...
I agree
Back in SL the trend was kinda started that assa was the easiest, because it was back then
I feel like it’s gotten more depth since then
cunning needle
i think it's even before SL assi was always viewed as the easiest
hollow river
Prolly
hollow river
I came back in sl so idk about before that
cunning needle
now its garrote + rupture/scent of blood + caustic
just a lot to juggle
sub is like "do i send or do i afk for a bit"
and also "lol rupture"
hollow river
Even in SL assa was harder than sub in m+ IMO
spice surge
Assa has pretty much always been very easy in raid
stray adder
a lot of new rogues struggle to play sub because of shuriken tornado
spice surge
In keys assa is typically very difficult
cunning needle
yeah fuck shuri tornado
spice surge
Current assa is definitely one of the easier m+ iterations
cunning needle
yeah definitely
spice surge
a lot of new rogues struggle to play sub because of shuriken tornado
Shouldnt really be playing it now anyway
cunning needle
especially when you can stealth up to reapply bleeds again
i know !restealth
blah blah dont need garrote damage
stray adder
Shouldnt really be playing it now anyway
yeah I didn't play sub since DF season 1
cunning needle
but IC is such comfy QoL
stray adder
can't tell how it is now
cunning needle
black powder spam was fun 🙂
stray adder
define fun
gloomy heart
getting arthritis spamming black powder sounds fun
cunning needle
(lots of other ppl didnt like it as much)
stray adder
yeah it was pretty bad lol
spice surge
Ye if you ignore all the 10 other buttons you pressed it was only BP+shuriken
But thats also 2 years ago so 
oak tangle
if black powder spam gave you arthritis, what is envenom + mutilate doing to you
stray adder
it's not that bad because it's different keybinds
cunning needle
if black powder spam gave you arthritis, what is envenom + mutilate doing to you
envenom muti is spamming 1 and 2
black powder + shuri is spamming z and 3
i really need better binds
stray adder
z and 3 is crazy work
cunning needle
yeah and then pressing f3 to rupture
stray adder
wtf
cunning needle
i need to do hand stretches before i play teh game sometimes
stray adder
mad man
spice surge
Luckily you pretty much never press BP now anyway
slate crown
The game has trained us for years to have so many keybinds
as they scale it back makes us have so much comfy room
I don't know what to do with myself for half of my binds
that got removed
cunning needle
ikr
i still dont know what to replace Q with
might try do something after prog
so i dotn fuck up muscle memory
shy creek
I keep slice and dice binded just to have something there
glad osprey
why is my parse so lowww
I THOUGHT I WAS OK since i was getting 80s and 90s in heroic but mythic is a different beast
what the fk
glad osprey
Void reapers does piss dam In aoe, id only use that in raid
good to know
is it just my ilvl? im 621
but idk what im doingg
baah
coral ibex
yes it is significantly held back by being 621
cunning needle
I THOUGHT I WAS OK since i was getting 80s and 90s in heroic but mythic is a dif...
think of it like this. there are like 5-10x the amount of parses in heroic than there are in mythic and the ppl who are also doing it on mythic are likely also going to be parsing high.
So in mythic you're really competing with everyone who also parsed 80+
still stirrup
You aren't going to outparse 635+ so I wouldn't worry about it until you have better gear
cunning needle
also yeah that
still stirrup
People doing mythic are going to be better geared on average anyway
So be prepared to get humbled on these parses most of the time
Rng, kill time, buffs etc all play into it. People also game raid comps and externals to get better parses too
arctic tusk
the only portal u dont want to do as sin in ansurek is the 2nd platform first portal right
cuz u have cd's for
shield add
umbral sierra
spice spire
solar wyvern
why is my parse so lowww
You're 621 ilvl, 2 fury warriors in comp so you can't pad on spiders with caustic. Its just doomed. I suggest comparing boss damage to make yourself feel better haha
slow yoke
Fellow rogues doing 12+ purely pugs, are you keeping ironwire or swapping it out for more damage talents... i like the damage, i hate missing the utility of aoe silence when dealing with potential... non kickers
solar wyvern
IW in everything except Mists, Maybe Siege.
Makes pug life easier
You will time a 12 without Sanguine blades for sure.
vivid elbow
why is my parse so lowww
killing it before the 6th phase 1 is critical for parsing. so 5:19 ish
slow yoke
@solar wyvern yer that was my line of logic, i just did a cot and grouping mobs without the aoe silence was actually annoying since no-one interrupted them in
so used to relying on aoe garrote
hollow gazelle
best indepth assassin guide so i may be able to pick up some tiperonies
upbeat tinsel
Wowhead guide is great
solar wyvern
<@141665120764952576> yer that was my line of logic, i just did a cot and groupi...
Yeah did a 13GB, Ironwire makes that key free and you don't really lose overall for it because you can pull bigger. 2.2m overall without Sanguine Blades. Pull the 3 packs into throngus spread dots and funnel. Good stuff
glad osprey
yea i just wasnt sure if i was doing something wrong but i guess i just need to get my ilvl up
ruby bolt
any m+ talent adjustments with shit ilvl and no tier ~600 that can make my ST damage not terrible. In aoe actually is pretty solid
glad osprey
usually a 19 parse means ur doing something bad
ruby bolt
read something about TTK?
glad osprey
in rotation but like i swear i thought i knew how to play kinda at this point
slow yoke
Yeah did a 13GB, Ironwire makes that key free and you don't really lose overall ...
@solar wyvern what build you running? i can't decide if i want to drop TTK for slightly more damage and keep MA / SB, but then you lose that nice bit of leeway
spice surge
You cannot leave combat during boss fights no
spice surge
Ye the circle is removed by vanish or meld
dawn heath
yes but i also gain
sealth
stealth
in bos combat
see
also gained this buff
waxen harbor
Hi. Can somebody thoroughly log review this 5 minute dummy run to the best of their ability? Thanks. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Twbd3YJ9kf41BjFr#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=10&start=874288&end=1177359
keen spruce
Hi. Can somebody thoroughly log review this 5 minute dummy run to the best of th...
m+ talents?
waxen harbor
This is single target
keen spruce
yeah i mean i don't see anything glaring
is this supposed to be like a ST boss rotation in m+ talents?
waxen harbor
I am doing ST with ST Talents -- I do not have mythic+ talents.
hollow talon
hello friends with mytico plus build and i am hitting two (2) targets, do i use mutilate on the enemies or Fan of Knife
coral ibex
subt is an aoe talent
keen spruce
well i mean it doesn't show talents
but there's a lotta ambushes
so i'm assuming you have subterfuge
waxen harbor
These are my talents
coral ibex
high rolled the blindside procs
waxen harbor
Ok. There's absolutely zero mistakes in that log?
gloomy heart
You opened with garrote?
I usually use ambush
garr fan rupture
Shoving ambush late is bad for your mark
Other than that seems fine
rotund oak
also why are u not using tight spender
idk this build kinda makes me feel uncomforatble
ma with imp gar no sang blades
waxen harbor
I believe it's cut out, sorry for that -- deathstalker's mark is active 0:00, unless I'm mistaken
keen spruce
I believe it's cut out, sorry for that -- deathstalker's mark is active 0:00, un...
maybe dummy combat is weird might have missed the first ambush
spice surge
Nothing wrong with sims
Are you thinking about anything in specific
It doesnt really matter much, but no you shouldnt
balmy condor
Fuck the big yellow label
We do it anyway
Yeah
The yellow bar exists to tell you to not do that
Because that ain’t how sims work my guy
Sims are accurate but in order to define accuracy, you have to make concessions
We make rogue sims accurate to human play within reason
Some other classes make sims accurate to like
alpine valve
There’s an argument there the apl could be updated if it’s more correct to shiv differently
balmy condor
TAS
warm vortex
Soon I got my 2 hour lecture 2 hour rogue channel discussion
Hope everyone is good this morning
rain wraith
Oh boy someone riled up the prophet again
alpine valve
I don’t think incorrectly shiving has anything to do with player error
rain wraith
How many targets do we use crimson tempest on again?
balmy condor
I don’t think incorrectly shiving has anything to do with player error
It’s not about incorrectly or correctly shiving, it’s about worthwhile optimizations versus optimizing for a shiny number at the end of a sim
The sim isn’t losing casts and the difference isn’t felt
Minor sequencing errors are just whatever