assassination

[rotund oak]

boom

done

[brave comet]

question about mechanics, when i get the 5 balls in city of threads. i am supposed to run out or position myself around enemies so my allies can take a safe spot from me?

[coral ibex]

you should plant and your team should move around you

dont plant where you'll get hit by the other person with the mechanic though

[cobalt sphinx]

no need to kick anything when you can just spam garrote

[cobalt sphinx]

this is the worst mechanic of the season

[coral ibex]

sorry i didn't talent iron wire because i need 5% more overall to time this key

[kindred hinge]

You find a spot where you wont hit your tank with the least movement peossible and lyou let them deal with it

Or you go full terrorism no inbetween

[warm vortex]

I always want the thing where if people kick at the same time it gets refunded to the one that didn’t go off
If that’s too much refund it by half

Not working in pvp

[brisk forge]

Just step out

[runic basin]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[wise river]

Is there any good bigwigs profile i can copy ？ for m+

[potent lance]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/blackrock/Râsched

bro 639ilvl

wtf

[normal mist]

He finished the game

[potent lance]

xDDD

[balmy condor]

dude he didn't enchant his ring

what

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah wrists aren't enchanted either

[quasi ingot]

what are we to do besides just vanishing in and out if the tank just keeps chain pulling?

[balmy condor]

trolling fr

[cobalt sphinx]

he's just wearing a meme ilvl set i guess

[balmy condor]

spread bleeds like normal

[quasi ingot]

just so energy starved it feel like im just sitting around on my thumb waiting while i tab target bleed lol

[balmy condor]

I mean, you shouldn't

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

if your tank is chaining

that means you have the bleeds from the previous pack

those are giving energy

then you have the bleeds you're tabbing onto the new pack

those are giving energy

[subtle tundra]

whispyr

im chain kissing you

[balmy condor]

ty king

[rotund oak]

btw since its appreciation sunday ty for everything u do for the class,even with all the loud pirates playing in the sin backyard,spec looks healthy and ppl are interested,love to see it

[balmy condor]

[runic basin]

does anyone have this wa?

[drifting cloud]

https://wago.io/1YlnxjUz5

[runic basin]

ty

[final dawn]

did anyone die from EDNA's beams, like instantly, so far?

[west crown]

With feint?

[final dawn]

healer got 7 mil in 1 sec by the beams and I had this in the past sometimes as well but thought it would be my fail

[west crown]

Stand in front of a rock, reduces damage taken

Or behind rather

[grim jay]

wait its appreciation sunday?
@balmy condor I like your cute cheeks and your voluminous hair

[cobalt sphinx]

i don't think spikes reduce the beam damage

i haven never seen anyone get one-shotted by a beam though

do you have a log

[final dawn]

not a log unfortunately but a screen

[cobalt sphinx]

are you sure he didn't just eat a spike lol

[cobalt sphinx]

looks like he ate two beams

bad vibes

[final dawn]

and as i said, i had this 2 or 3 times in the past as well while i was just standing outside spikes & group, just taking my own beam

but if he ate two beams, would not some1 else have died as well?

[cobalt sphinx]

you can eat your own then step behind someone else and eat theirs

because they are not simultaneous

or you can eat your own, then someone can move in line with you and kill you

[final dawn]

so just for my understanding, I can stand still why eating my beam?

and do not need to move out of it?

[cobalt sphinx]

you can't move out of a beam

[final dawn]

well its animation is for like 1.5 sec or sth

that what i mean

it is just 1 time dmg?

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah it just hits once, if you tried moving out of the beam maybe you're the one who killed his ass lol

[final dawn]

nah i was not, was close to tank but definitely helpful info from you, appreciate it

[west crown]

It doesn’t. Rando told me that early season. Didn’t play around it but guess it was wrong

[tough hull]

Hello guys, I saw on video, that on action bar when blindside is active multilate is changing into ambush, how xd

[west crown]

Just default

That’s how blizzard has it set up

[tough hull]

Ok, so I waste 1 keybind, nvm

Thx

[candid anvil]

Is it indended that while having darkest night and applying mark with ambush it applies the mark but you cant proc it, still have to do 7cp envenom and still have 3 stacks? It irritates me when moving to next pull that I cant proc mark twice with rupture and CT before using 7cp envenom

Might do cancelaura darkest night macro on ambush to solve it probably

[balmy condor]

it's a bug

[candid anvil]

How do you guys open on pack having darkest night, envenom first then dots?

[balmy condor]

but what the fuck is this lmao

you don't have to start with ambush if you have darkest night

you can

just for the singular focus uptime

[cobalt sphinx]

you still get a lot of the benefits of the mark even if it is not being consumed by finishers

[balmy condor]

but you're not really losing anything

the point of consuming the mark is to get darkest night

so making a cancelaura for darkest night

is actually fucking insane

[candid anvil]

Ah okay so there's not many benefits to consuming stacks, thought I'm wasting it by casting ruptures and CT without consuming them

Thanks, guess I will just ignore it

[balmy condor]

the benefit is darkest night

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah cancelaura would make sense if the mark didn't work at all

or might make sense

[balmy condor]

or still doesn't make even a little bit of sense

[candid anvil]

Yeah if DN is what makes mark strong then it doesnt

[balmy condor]

the mark is basically darkest night, singular focus

and some bullshit whatever damage

but at the start of pulls you don't have any AoE out anyway

so singular focus is kinda whatever

that's why ambush at the start of a pull when you have darkest night is like

kinda fine

but also kinda whatever

[cobalt sphinx]

clear the witness is pretty nice

[balmy condor]

I mean

[novel star]

i have no energy to multidot because my tank chainpulled (i have the reaction time of a literal sloth and i was still spamming envenoms when everything died and the ruptures fell off)

[balmy condor]

its nice in the way that it does extra damage

but clear the witnesses isn't really a priority

[candid anvil]

So pretty much ambush only first pack in dung cuz after that you always apply mark with envenom (given you dont drop DN by downtime)

[novel star]

yes

[balmy condor]

yeh

[novel star]

with the exception of

bosses that bug out the mark

or like

GB flying section etc

[balmy condor]

or if you have like some insanely prio mob maybe

like the end of grim batol

you could ambush those guys

to get a bit of extra singular focus dam

[novel star]

50k focus damage

[balmy condor]

yeh idk

insane minmax

[novel star]

that is some fucking value bro

[candid anvil]

Ait thanks for explanation, cant imagine how many gcds I already wasted on ambush ew

[balmy condor]

3 extra seconds of singular focus for 1 extra second of not casting bleeds

we're cooking

gcd perfect optimizations or death

that's my motto

[novel star]

i wish deathstalker had the fatebound seal fate thing

it feels so insanely good getting a double crit mut

for 5cp

in opener

🤤

[grim jay]

I'ma seal your fate if you wish for any fatebound related thing tainting deathstalker again

[novel star]

that talent would legit make more sense on ds tho

since you need to cancerforce 7cp all the time

[balmy condor]

I replaced the speakers in your headphones with bombs and if I see you cast one gcd out of order as determined by a simulation of 100,000 iterations randomly determining a winner in margin of error, the bomb goes off

good luck

[grim jay]

does it atleast blow the head clean off

[balmy condor]

it's a thermonuclear bomb that will glass your entire street

[grim jay]

count me in

[novel star]

there should be another major nuclear accident in a residential area

at some point

because we have awesome cameras now

and there would be so much history documented

thoughts?

[balmy condor]

hmmmmm

an evacuated residential area

like nuketown

could be cool

[grim jay]

you say that, yet we had a homicide ~2 weeks ago like 3 houses away, everyone has cameras and none recorded anything

[balmy condor]

need my 8k youtube video of ASMR nuclear testing video

[novel star]

yeah its evacuated but its also filled with people i dont like

[balmy condor]

those old ass grainy 240p videos

from like

the middle of the ocean

[novel star]

but its still evacuated

[balmy condor]

lets AI upscale those

[novel star]

ai would draw an extra finger on the mushroom cloud

and then evolve to change the pose of the mushroom cloud to hide the hands behind the body

[balmy condor]

nah, it would turn the mushroom cloud into a penis probably

[novel star]

uooghhhh....

[balmy condor]

[novel star]

lost smoke monster weenor

or somethin

https://tenor.com/view/warden-warden-deadlock-deadlock-rabbit-rabbit-chewing-gif-11244860252969582965

[nova kelp]

that feel when you kill mythic ky'vesa, and it's the one pull in all prog that you DIDN'T check your poison timers prior to the pull

I still almost hit a 90%... but I wana cry

[subtle tundra]

never me

[grim jay]

same

karl lagerfeld once said: if you start a pull without checking poisons, you lost control over your life

or something like that

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/emotions-spiritedaway-noface-wave-gif-4347416

[uneven summit]

!lag

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[faint path]

When they gonna fix supercharger!!

[rotund oak]

?

wdym mean fix

[faint path]

Shiv is not getting 2x charge

[oak tangle]

wot

[rotund oak]

!bug

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[faint path]

Try in game

[oak tangle]

can you explain what the bug is

cause what you said isnt a bug, it's just not how it works

[rotund oak]

i cant find anything listed

[oak tangle]

supercharger isn't anything to do with shiv charges

[rotund oak]

yup

[oak tangle]

shiv gives supercharger sure, but nothing to do with shiv stacks

[rotund oak]

maybe he says the last node

kinda confused now

ngl

[oak tangle]

my assumption is he thinks supercharger == lightweight shiv

[rotund oak]

thats

[oak tangle]

not gonna put more thought into it until they clarify

[dry dagger]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[dry dagger]

What's the WA package for all the dungeons?

[balmy condor]

I tried it, now what

[severe meadow]

Does anyone know if that funky Binding of Binding ring automatically sims as linked to someone elses?

[dusty zenith]

Has there been any talent build changes or are we still using MA ttk for raid

[cobalt sphinx]

Does binding of binding sim above earthen craftsmanship

I don’t think it gives you anything

[severe meadow]

I think the ring is kinda dogshit for us, I'm just trying to sim it for a friend but the way it's worded it seems not really possible to sim

[cobalt sphinx]

defaults to 0 but you can change it to 1

[severe meadow]

The goat

[blazing warren]

What weapon enchant would you run in M+?

I thought maybe Authority of the Depths to help with ST? Or is Authority of Radiant Power making up for it in AoE overall?

[normal mist]

radiant

all day

every day

[winter vapor]

So playing the hybrid build in M+, i had someone (politely) recommend that Ironwire and MA kinda work against each other? You want to spam mutilate with MA and conversely spam Dots with Ironwire?

This isn't my experience/playstyle but im a little out of the loop this season so I figured I'd check here.

Also, are folks witching out Sudden Demies with TTK on Hybrid build for Tyrannical weeks or just specific dungeons?

[normal mist]

There are a bunch of possible builds

its a pick your poison thing

MA and iron wire working against eachother is kinda weird

[winter vapor]

that was kinda my thoughts tbh

[normal mist]

you vanish for 2 reasons: boss or trash.
In my opinion, as a ironwire enjoyer, if you:

• Vanish in trash, its to spread bleeds/silences faster, which means you'll have MA already doing some work on those extra crits on the bleeds, which you'll then start your spatter (where you mainly FoK, not Mutilate);
• Vanish for bosses, its to literally gain MA in the last X seconds of KB, thats it

[winter vapor]

That also echoes my reasoning too, appreciate the reply. Thanks 🙂

[normal mist]

Unfortunately there are 532781329567382915 possible builds and the talents are so damn balanced people are going insane with the amount of possible choices. We do not have a "THIS IS THE BEST BUILD!!"

[winter vapor]

Yeah its kinda nice, but equally I do miss being smooth brain and take this one spec for this thing. swings and roundabouts

[normal mist]

Yeah, i've done some sims, found my best simming build and never looked back

And i always do fine

[dusty zenith]

Just use what fuu uses on his spreadsheet and call it a day

[late tusk]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[quasi wigeon]

if we run the m+ sudden demise build , is it a good idea to delay shiv a bit for kingsbane ? since it runs 1 charge only

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah most dungeon builds shiv later into kingsbane

[novel star]

yes but it doesnt matter in aoe

shiv is a pure single target increase

so like yeah, to answer the question shiv for the last 8s of kb is optimal

on bosses/prio mobs

but if ur in a low enough key youll often gain damage by not shivving so the target lives longer for more caustic ticks

[quasi wigeon]

big brain

[summer mist]

WHY AM I SIMMING 100K LESS

[fallen arch]

That is a super dumb take if you ask me, iw and ma working against eachother

[summer mist]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iqG8z7txD6ZqEB4wFvTvr9

[cobalt sphinx]

what's wrong luckypants

[summer mist]

Why does upgraded weapon sim less

[cobalt sphinx]

stonebound artistry

LUCKYPANTS

THAT'S AN INT DAGGER

[summer mist]

ill just uninstall

[tough canyon]

goodbye

[split sandal]

which m+ build do you reccommend? I find difference on wowhead and archon

[latent prism]

Can someone help me with a very simple macro please?

Want to stealth, but have a ctrl mod that will cancel aura stealth

[teal lark]

anyone can explain if subterfuge is better than supercharger for keys?

[rare isle]

If you have problem getting dots up on all targets at the start of big pulls in keys I guess it can be better? Other than that I don't really see much use for it for keys.

[tough canyon]

i guess cause the bleeds

[tough canyon]

more MA duration?

[rare isle]

Sure also that, but that part doesn't outperform supercharger alone I'm quite sure. Supercharger does quite alot of aoe-damage through caustic spatter

[blazing warren]

Whats MA?

[tough canyon]

main reason are bleeds thats for sure

master assassin

[blazing warren]

Does Subterfuge increase that window?

I thought it just kinda overlaps it?

Or is Master Assassin and similar adding up?

[normal mist]

after the buff it got

yes

[tough canyon]

you get 9 sec ma with it

[copper sun]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[copper sun]

Just got home after a 2 week holiday, what do i do differently in M+ now?

[warm vortex]

+2ed a 12 so now im at 2.8 :)

[copper sun]

Do I still vanish for improved garrote with the subterfuge build?

And ig I'm vanishing on every KB?

[winter vapor]

yes but your MA/Subt window is now longer

[copper sun]

what impact does that have gameplay-wise?

[winter vapor]

that you can continue to spread cgarrotes via Carnage for longer, so its easier to get your dots up. You will also potenatially take MA which means your crit is improved for the duration of bleed spread (you will also continue to silence any target with garrote that it spreads too)

honestly, I'd just que a slightly lower key and play

queue*

[kindred hinge]

Vanish on death mark

And depending on how many point you have in sub you vanish the last 6 sec or 12 sec of KB

[mystic hollow]

Is there a way to make a macro do one spell while stealthed and a different while not stealthed without being on your first action bar?

I guess, is stealth a stance?

[long flare]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[solid venture]

we dont vanish until the first MA / subt window is gone right? or do you get a new window after vanish?

[floral frigate]

Hello, can someone help me with a WA for garrote and rupture tracker showing the number of targets in the pull affected?

[warm vortex]

Coulden't you jsut make a Scent wa

like that just shows how many ruptures you have

cause normally id say your garrote and rupture amount is the same for the first few bits of a pull

[vivid prism]

https://wago.io/zHfygb2el

[mystic hollow]

Just pinging this again, in case it got missed

[ebon notch]

@limber lion would you know?

[iron prism]

I feel like this was already answered but when is the best times to use the vanishes with x2 build

[kindred hinge]

You don't play the x2

But if you want to use it it is the same rules, and you use the extra charge for utility

[kindred hinge]

Stance macro probably

They have some in subs for you to look at it

[mystic hollow]

It seems to be stances, but basically I'm struggling bc of Subterfuge. I had cheap shot and Kingsbane on the same keybind, but I can't use KB during my Sub window bc it's still technically Cheap Shot on my bar

[iron prism]

So we don’t run x2 build it’s just sim bait? Always smashes other specs

[novel star]

its perfectly fine to play tho

its not bait or whatever the fuck

its just fine

theres like a billion m+ builds that are all fine

but yeah

[mystic hollow]

in subs?

[novel star]

nothing changes at all, you vanish for ic and iw and shit then just avoid overcapping

or MA for kb damage but its scary to do outside of bosses in pugs cause of jumpscare chainpulls

[winged gust]

hey yall how does darkest night proc? idk why i dont understand the desciption

[sturdy niche]

Max combo point envenom

[winged gust]

oh i mean like how does it like "be ready" to happen

[floral frigate]

Thank you @vivid prism

[pearl mauve]

DS mark ends. Using all 3 stacks or target died.

[winged gust]

ohh ty

[royal lantern]

everytime you use a finisher, you lose 1 of the 3marks and it does some small dmg+the next mutilate/ambush does more dmg

when all 3 marks are consumed, you get Darkest Night, do a Max CP Envenom and apply the marks again

[timber meadow]

does elusiveness work on the dot from the web on m court? im one of the people having to hold it initially

[winged gust]

just making sure, vanish is how yall apply marks again right

[warm vortex]

DN

[woven folio]

outside of cds when running TTK, is it worth just envenoming exactly before it expires to save tea proc or not worth?

[pearl mauve]

Btw, when you gets to a new pull in M+, you can stealth so apply DSm through ambush but you also have DN still up.
There’s this weird interaction where you can’t spent the DS mark stacks unless you use DN.
How do you deal with that ?
Don’t ambush if you have DN, if so do you open with Env as first finisher or Rupture first ?

[royal lantern]

in aoe, apply the mark is not top priority

first get crimson tempest+rupture out, then get the mark with DN up again

[pearl mauve]

Need a timer on my DN wa cuz i’m always afraid to lose it so I go for env asap.

[cerulean maple]

Speaking of TTK, when playing ttk (aoe or singletarget) do we pool and then just full send it to always maintain 2 stacks, then pool again?

It feels really awkward for some reason, having to envenom basically 2x as much as normal requires so much builder energy

unless you have dashing scoundrel but i cant find a way to fit it into aoe build when using ttk

[royal lantern]

well, maintaining envenom with TTK basically just translates into "spamm envenom"

[cerulean maple]

in big aoe when saturated thats whatever but on smaller pulls it feels so freaky

[royal lantern]

like, you stop caring about the timer and more or less just go "get 5cp->envenom" all the time

[cerulean maple]

yeah ok just making sure im not crazy

[royal lantern]

assa ST in dungeons is not great in general

[cerulean maple]

i usually play this instead and it also sims higher for me than ttk in mythics / dungeon slice

not sure whats currently like The Best Thing

seems like we have a lto of relatively viable builds

[royal lantern]

more then 500

and thats not a exegerated/made up number, its literally more then 500 that all perform more or less the same

its why "whats the best m+ build?" is kinda a weird question

[cerulean compass]

Think this build is better for higher key ? Like 15's ?
Actually I think you can play wathever you feels better and smooth with 👍

[warm vortex]

If you are just doing it for tokens
could you just do a bunch of delves on tier 1

[limber lion]

Yes

[limber lion]

Yes, you can use stances. I personally use a stance:0 macro for Ambush/Mutilate. Note that there's different stances for stealth, vanish and dance.

[kindred hinge]

That's the pure dps but you loose IW which is not recommended in pugs for a lot of keys

Not playing IW in Grim Batol for example is inting

Or SV

Oor NW etc

You will see people without it in very high keys but they usually play in coordinated teams and can compensate it

[gleaming inlet]

Do any1 have a nice WA/Plater profile. Cant seem to find one which shows only the important bleeds, i want to se rupture, garrote and crimson tempest. The only ones i find ony show garrote and rupture

[coarse summit]

can just add it to the list of buffs tracked in plater

[spice surge]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[gleaming inlet]

Currently using Whispyr's, but cant find where i can add crimson Tempest

[kindred hinge]

In Spell lsit

remove it from the blacklist

In Buff tracking

[rotund oak]

yes,there are actually many stance macros

[solar wyvern]

Tbh IW in necrotic wake is kinda w.e

[rotund oak]

for further insight @vestal wren is an expert

[solar wyvern]

Theres 1-2 casters per pack and you shroud past the volley necromancers

And everyone is running prot pal

[vestal wren]

what exactly do you want to do with stances?

[kindred hinge]

Na nerzhruda is played most of the time, just this pack make IW insane. Same for amaranth

[rotund oak]

not me@mystic hollow

[vestal wren]

think bonusbar:1 or bonusbar:0 is now all you need

[solar wyvern]

I'd say it makes the pack easier, but not insane

[rotund oak]

yup,he needs to know specific if he can macro a non stealth spell into a stealth spell via stance macro

or the opposite

both apply

[jagged violet]

how do u play skarmorok in SV? Im kind of new and i feel so bad on that boss

[solar wyvern]

When sanguine blades makes up an extra 5-6% of damage in keys it isn't negligible to give up IW for some of, what i consider, the easier packs in the season

[novel star]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[gleaming inlet]

Thank you, now i got it 😄

[kindred hinge]

Dot crystals and go back boss

[solar wyvern]

Depends on group and key level, if you have good target swap in your group i just rupture the ones in melee and kill boss

[spice surge]

Or keep dots up on boss and darkest night all the crystals

[jagged violet]

its like a 12 with an aug and enh

[coarse summit]

arent you just orbing this pack anyways?

[mystic hollow]

And, does this differentiate between stealth and subterfuge?

[solar wyvern]

This as well, if your group sucks at target swap then this is a good strat

[kindred hinge]

Keys are not timed on dps check. There is no dps chack outside of WF and even then actually they don't struggle. Getting an extra 1-2% overall is meaningless when you can ensure execution which is what make you time or not

[mystic hollow]

Trying to see if Subterfuge is a different stance than Stealth

[spice surge]

Then you kb every shield and boom

[vestal wren]

sadly is not

[solar wyvern]

Stitchflesh and last boss are indeed dps checks. Even amarth to a degree

[kindred hinge]

You talk to your tank who usually has orb, IW for 5 sec, orb next, toll third etc

[mystic hollow]

Damn, ok ty

[kindred hinge]

Agree to disagree on that. Assa ST is shit and Stichflesh will nlargerly be dependent on what you have around you. Amaranth is a non issue if you have DK + rogue + Pal tank

Or Enh + rogue

[spice surge]

If you really wanted to opt the last two bosses you'd swap to sub anyway

[kindred hinge]

^

[solar wyvern]

I mean yeah you swap but idk man i think you're overvaluing IW in the current meta

Like you have orbs, aug, and prot pal

Casts aren't going off, so speed up the packs

[kindred hinge]

Nope, in coordinate dteam it is an easy drop because you can deal with the packs other ways. In pug you are severly underestimating it. It smoothen execution by a massive margin when you are non verbal which is again what time a key or not

And with IW you an orb differently anyway in necropolis to go ,uch faster there

Than what you would have gotten with one point elsewehre in your talent

[solar wyvern]

I wasn't talking about pugs tbh. Anything pug related is easy slam dunk for IW lol

[kindred hinge]

So you did not read my messaage and went on a solo tangeant?

[solar wyvern]

Yknow

I definitely did not read the word pug in the first sentence

Kekw

Haha lets go I'm trolling you

[kindred hinge]

🙂

[solar wyvern]

Okayokay agree to agree

[winged gust]

what are the ways to reapply DS mark?

[rotund oak]

u should get out for a movie or something

[rotund oak]

vanish into ambush or finish on max hp

while darkest night is acitve

[solar wyvern]

Movies are boring

My adhd needs to mash bte

[coarse summit]

go watch arcane together or something

[rotund oak]

outlaws projecting on outlaws

[plucky lance]

So i just joined the sub cause i rolled a rogue for m+ and i fell into what seems is quite an interesting discussion

[solar wyvern]

Yep IW is actually hextech

[plucky lance]

I didnt think ST dps is bad

😁

[solar wyvern]

And we're fighting over it

[coarse summit]

sanguine blades is shimmer

[solar wyvern]

Sin ST definitely leaves some to be desire in m+, but actual ST builds in raid crank

[rotund oak]

Sin ST is average,Subtetly destroys bosses in m+

[plucky lance]

But usually sin gets brought for trash aoe so i guess other dps have to make up for it on bosses

[rotund oak]

sin comes for both

[solar wyvern]

If your tank is good at the game and your other dps aren't losers

You can drag trash onto boss for scent of blood and infinite energy

[plucky lance]

I havent checked sub rotation out yet so dont know if id like playing that spec

[rotund oak]

there are much worse specs st than sin

[solar wyvern]

And then your boss dam isn't bad

[winged gust]

finish what again?

[rotund oak]

finish on max combo CP**

aka combo points

while darkest night is active

[plucky lance]

I played rogue back in SL and had fun, not feeling my ele.shammy anymore since all tanks move mobs out of my EQ so just trying to have some fun with a meele dps and rogue seems fun to me

😅

[coarse summit]

play the melee shaman spec

its not bad 😄

[plucky lance]

I dont like how they changed it all into casting tempest cl and lb

But yeah it does good dmg.. i just crafted weapon and shield tho so not sure i wanna regear it again haha

Did it once already when they buffed stormbringer

[winged gust]

ty

[rotund oak]

u r welcome fam and sry for the typo

[winged gust]

nah nah dw about it

[warm vortex]

Holy shiy

Just timed my first 14

:D

[coarse summit]

gz!

[warm vortex]

Had around 2 min left

[plucky lance]

Gz

[warm vortex]

Full PuG too

Funny yhing is SoB i did like
5 times on a 12 and coulden't time it once

14, did it first try X)

Hell thats the first 14 i tried

Now getting into 12s and such is gonna be super easy

[fluid hatch]

Hey guys! I'm learning rogue and curious if there are any resources with described tips & tricks for current M+ dung?
For example, soaking sphere at pre-last boss in CoT with our CoSh.

[warm vortex]

Jesus my parse was low tho kek

Was on par with everyone elses DPS to

[plucky lance]

😦

[warm vortex]

Tbf
we didn't have an aug or pi
and i assume most higher key runs use an aug X)

I might be a bit too feint trigger happy though

like 70 uses XD

[limber lion]

No

[mystic hollow]

Saddest of days 😦

[limber lion]

What exactly are you looking to do with it?

[kindred hinge]

No too surprising, the only reason to deplete SB is not pressing defensive/los and dot on last boss. People in 14 press more button than in 12

If you had a lock it's one of the easiest one out there

[quasi wigeon]

how bad would ot be to drop sudden demise for ttk for more st on lower keys?

[kindred hinge]

Aug are not needed in 14 too

[quasi wigeon]

like 10-11s

[winged gust]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[kindred hinge]

If yo uare in low key, SD will give you some dps back when you have dps that explode the trash before you can dps. If you have those a small upgrade of ST is not going to be that useful

But every build variation is playable and not that impactful to the end prooduct

[warm vortex]

We dpd,

*didn't

was unholy, assasin, boomkin, prot pally, resto

[winged gust]

yo whats ur ilevel btw?

[empty fog]

For last boss of siege, any tips for surviving the debuffs? If I get it too many times in a row i feel like I run out of cds

[iron valve]

To clarify, [stance:0] = out of stealth, [stance:1] = full stealth, [stance:2] = subterfuge or vanish or shadowdance. it's shared, unfortunately
there is also a macro conditional [stealth] that is equivalent to [stance:1] for rogues
you can also combine those for like [stance:1/2] = stealth, dance, subterfuge

[feral wasp]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[warm vortex]

632

[rare isle]

This is not up to date, 8s give gilded

[kindred hinge]

Run elusiveness. Not much else to do.

[empty fog]

Thanks I'll try that

[umbral sierra]

actually fuck mists

so tired of the 2nd boss

[bleak spoke]

70 uses is crazy work

that's 20 minutes of feint pressed on cooldown

[lavish geyser]

is it worth pl'ing assa?

[bleak spoke]

I'd say usually you should be getting dispelled

should have cloak for one of the cannon shots (you lose pretty much the least out of most specs that can cannon), and then you'll have at least another cloak in the fight

[rich parrot]

someone can explain ?

[bleak spoke]

usually the very last cloak of the fight is better than it seems, healers like to dodge weird on the third platform and line of sight themselves rnadomly

[bleak spoke]

what's this from

[rich parrot]

lorgs

[bleak spoke]

is it from key or something, on cdr affix week?

yes but what content is it from

[rich parrot]

its on mm sikran

[bleak spoke]

oh

wtf

[cosmic moss]

is there a macro to apply poisons with 1 button ? instead of selecting 1 by 1

[rich parrot]

idk how this guy put cds in 1m40

kings bane in 50 sec

[iron valve]

better gaming chair

[empty fog]

Good tip. I've been dwarfing the first one if it picks me because of the stats in cds, but maybe I'll just cloak 1st

[bleak spoke]

if you have dwarf, you only need 1 of cloak or dwarf to fire the cannon basically

and the other one you can press pretty aggressively

just don't accidentally yeet someone (general safety guidelines on that fight have always been what they are kek)

[empty fog]

Yeah I'm really trying to work on being pre spread but pugs have been hectic with it lol

[bleak spoke]

yeah, and usually the biggest terrorist are the tanks

[empty fog]

LOL I was in fact terrorized by the tank today. I pre spread next to the water, he ran on me, so I adjusted to the other side, tank gets debuff, runs back on me and gets dispelled

[bleak spoke]

i swear the number of times where a tank's literally just strafed into my circle and gotten bouncehoused and it's like "man i guess it' stime for evasion again"

is like

every day that ends in y

[rich parrot]

is that cheat or what

[bleak spoke]

can you pull the actual log

from wcl

it might be buggy on lorgs

[rich parrot]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VKbLvJWwn4fyxctY#fight=16&source=54&type=auras

nah its the same on logs

i check

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VKbLvJWwn4fyxctY#fight=16&source=54&type=casts&view=timeline

[spice spire]

Log is 1.25

[bleak spoke]

there's no like pally cdr external anymore right

[spice spire]

Their global is 0.8

[bleak spoke]

like that is not in the game anymore right

[spice spire]

Not 1s

[bleak spoke]

oh wtf

[spice spire]

So the log itself is kinda shifted

[spice spire]

It is but it’s not that bad

Yeah it’s a messed up log

[bleak spoke]

heh, this is like when i was losing my mind cuz some log was showing ambush and muti casts happening on the same global on a r1 log a few weeks back

[spice spire]

6 casts of kb in a 4 minute fight 🙂

[bleak spoke]

and i was like MAN HE'S LICHERALLY CHEATING

but was just broken log

[spice spire]

Ye

There’s a few this tier

[wispy epoch]

when your spyglass 1min ppm procs on the add that's at 11% hp

https://tenor.com/view/ok-all-nice-gif-22927671

[torn mist]

Hello i try to sim Writhing Armor Banding on my wrist (my dagger have ascendance) and it sim more than crit embellish https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/j97Fwz2qBqn7xSUb98ZxF7 but guides says to take ascendance and crit or double crit

should i follow sim or guide ?

[wispy epoch]

will you have 100% uptime on your crit embellish

🙂

[warm vortex]

Well

my old statement isnt true anymore

[bleak spoke]

like 90% tbh

[warm vortex]

2 14s done X)

[wispy epoch]

can i have your healer

[warm vortex]

this one was with 2 guildies tho

[bleak spoke]

i usually go 80 conservatively

[warm vortex]

1.9M dps on dawn feels p good

[bleak spoke]

it's really high normally

[torn mist]

ah mb i retry with that

[glass obsidian]

hi can someone help me with a plater setting that i want to set up?

[bleak spoke]

most recent personal log i pulled was from a weekly so it's kinda whatever but i had 92% uptime

plater default is actually completely fine

probably one of the most usable out of the box addons

[glass obsidian]

all i need is for the target that has the caustic spatter to change colour

[bleak spoke]

hmm, i usually track my mark with plates and spatter with a weakaura

[warm vortex]

DB 14 :D

[bleak spoke]

not bad

[scarlet meadow]

how do you guys deal with the webs on last boss in CoT? failed a 13 recently because i couldnt break myself out in time, and pala was freedoming priest

[royal lantern]

forgot to mention the aug part

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blep-gif-27395371

[warm vortex]

:(

[slate crown]

😛

[bleak spoke]

errr, if you really really have to you can pool your TDN envenom

and you can hold your not-KB shiv for it

and delay your KB cast

[royal lantern]

im joking

[bleak spoke]

just a bit

[glass obsidian]

@bleak spoke could you link that weak aura about caustic spatter?

[bleak spoke]

err it's from whispyr's pack

i can isolate it and upload just the spatter for you if you want

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[bleak spoke]

the very top one

[scarlet meadow]

thank you! will try that next time

[glass obsidian]

ill find it thanks

[bleak spoke]

you can also get a lot of value by hitting CT if people aren't ranged dps players in the middle of nowhere

[warm vortex]

I mean

my parse was ass

anyhow

[bleak spoke]

like CT does more dmg per target you tag with it up to 5, in a worst case scenario you can hard swap and envenom your own (usually when i say pool tdn i mean like spatter off the boss)

[scarlet meadow]

really? waste of a global and combo points if people are self clearing some way

[bleak spoke]

no

[scarlet meadow]

ahh yeah ofc

[bleak spoke]

no matter what it's better boss dmg to do that

cuz the extra targets on CT is effectively some of our best funnel regardless

[scarlet meadow]

gotcha, forgot about that

[astral plover]

!thistle

[scarlet meadow]

but if its between that or dying..

[astral plover]

!Tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/G7YZfsN.png bottom text

yeah basically if you're going to die

it's envenom your own guy

[bleak spoke]

if you think you can get out by spattering off boss that's the best scenario

and also the one where you would try to snipe a CT

on the spawns

[wispy epoch]

dps rejected

[warm vortex]

huh?

You mean aug

dps invalid X)

if so makes sense kek

Tbf logs say i did shit anyway

[bleak spoke]

but if it's a bit sketchy, the CT will help rather than hinder you is my point @scarlet meadow

cuz if it gets weird, then that means the ct will tick for a while and you'll get value

cuz sometimes the boss gets dragged a lil out of range and it gets weird

[warm vortex]

I think i missed some tempests

[scarlet meadow]

for sure, and i guess the buffed CT is hitting your own web too right

[warm vortex]

Cause crimson should be higer tbh

[bleak spoke]

32% is crazy

press it more

[wispy epoch]

i made an alt...

[warm vortex]

Yea

Idk why i messed it up so much

[bleak spoke]

exactly, and you're also helping the homies out

[wispy epoch]

f keys are on mouse

[bleak spoke]

if theirs look weird too

[warm vortex]

Tbf

and this is the biggest cope ever

timed the 14

so what does it matter

[bleak spoke]

i think in a truly worse case scenario you can probably hold vanish for the root break

[warm vortex]

(ik thats a very incorrect statement but eh w/evs)

[scarlet meadow]

i was gonna say, is there vanish shenanigans we can do

[bleak spoke]

if it gets to that point that's like a man it's shocking that you haven't left the key yet

but also if you play without a trace for some reason it's "good" tehre

i don't think sudden demise is really too great in most scenarios but that sort of scenario is one where it's not bad

as well

[scarlet meadow]

yeah ive been playing TTK and iron wire

[bleak spoke]

iron wire is pretty decent in the maze and on 3rd boss trash yeh

marketplace?

rp zone?

it's a maze

[scarlet meadow]

just think it helps more than extra dam in pugs

[bleak spoke]

for sure

so far i swear the only key where i really think i don't feel weird at some ponit dropping iron wire is literally mists

but actually the pack in front of the 1st boss room is weird too, it's just i spent an expac playing subtlety in there so not having a silence for those casters doesn't feel that weird

[scarlet meadow]

yeah i rerolled from WW this tier so, its never a shock when i dont have it lol

[bleak spoke]

yeh, idk, iron wire just makes packs feel so much more stable, could be placebo but 15% debuff DR on most mobs is kind of nutsa

[scarlet basin]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[wispy epoch]

technically shaman gets cheat death

[bleak spoke]

and no matter what no dmg talent really competes with having another mob in range to cleave

[wispy epoch]

bc i can press reincarn

[scarlet meadow]

i think its also you give people a chance to get their dam out and then they have brain power to kick

[bleak spoke]

yeh this is really underrated imo

[royal lantern]

15% dr on pack start is kinda big for tanks tbh

[bleak spoke]

yeah, it's almost universally the best time to have it

[royal lantern]

like, start of a pack is by far the most dangerous moments for them

[kindred hinge]

Only on silenced mob but yeah it's nice

[bleak spoke]

nah, it's on any mob that isn't an elite it works

any mob that is ccable

[royal lantern]

not only on silenced enemys, enenmys that can get the silenced debuff

aka everything that can be cc'ed

[bleak spoke]

which is incidentally why it's kinda mid in mists, the tank killers in mists in the maze are elites etc

[kindred hinge]

Yeah they are silenced.

[bleak spoke]

the venom nova bois are elites

etc etc

[kindred hinge]

Not my issue they don't cast

[royal lantern]

they just dont cast in the first place, but they are silenced

[bleak spoke]

[kindred hinge]

Still gag them

[bleak spoke]

it's like when we are silenced

except sometimes blizzard doesn't agree

[royal lantern]

pls choke me

[bleak spoke]

film it

[kindred hinge]

Kinky night is always on with a rogue in group

[spice spire]

Ur a taken man tryan

[gilded mirage]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[slow marsh]

So he can't ask to be choked

[wispy epoch]

i honestly have been slacking in keys b/c ill be trying to get 20 scents of blood

and instead of starting my caustic spatter

which i feel like fucks my dps in the long run

for a prolonged pull

[subtle tundra]

huh

[slow marsh]

Roughly how long is it gonna take to get 80 from 70

[woven shore]

5h?

[wispy epoch]

yeah

[echo surge]

Hi all. Quick question. Is the Queen's rare ring worth it at 626 as opposed to two 636 rings? I have the crafted ring (Crit/Mastery) and Umbriss Band at 636.

Thinking of replacing the Umbriss Band but overall the HC ring is 0.8 of my DPS in +10 DB for example

[subtle tundra]

what

i dont understand...

[iron valve]

sim it, but the 636 is probably better

[wispy epoch]

whered i lose you

[spice spire]

Took me 5h29m from fresh

Brand new 70-80

[subtle tundra]

how does getting a fuckload of agility fuck you

[wispy epoch]

scent of blood is an agi increase for when you have bleeds on a bunch of targets, and caustic spatter is your best aoe dmging ability

[subtle tundra]

yea buddy i can read a guide

[slow marsh]

Cool I guess I'll get it by next weekend then

[echo surge]

Thank you. I will sim it

[wispy epoch]

okay so if you dont start caustic spatter soon enough

lower hp mobs will die

[subtle tundra]

ah so you cant pad useless dmg

[wispy epoch]

without you doing that much spatter dmg to them

[subtle tundra]

aight

[warm vortex]

Tbh

[wispy epoch]

exactly

[warm vortex]

im super proud with what i done today m+ wise though

[iron valve]

if mobs are dying before you get out 5 ruptures on the opener, then yes ofc

[warm vortex]

2 14s :D

havent timed a 13 before today and now ive gotten 2 14s timed and a 15 mists ill try sometime soon

[slow marsh]

That's the whole reason to play the game though I thought

[wispy epoch]

well it's worse b/c you dont get to pad useless dmg

and you lose your scent stacks with them

so id rather just have slightly higher overall dps

[slow marsh]

Is the right answer here still just play sub if you want to pad or what

[wispy epoch]

outlaw

at 639 ilvl full bis outlaw will take over...

[slow marsh]

Ahhh ok cool

[subtle tundra]

woah

dont tell zac that

[spice spire]

@midnight mist

[wispy epoch]

we'll fall off in about 4 weeks

and you all will be in #outlaw pissing zacro off

soon

[slow marsh]

Classic assa rogue

[spice spire]

Outlaw scales dw

[proven jasper]

hard capped

[midnight mist]

xdd

[slow marsh]

Why is there no Hunter

Did they quit simcraft

[spice spire]

This looks like dungeon slice

Unless frost has just gone GIGA

And I’m oblivious

[midnight mist]

you need to suscribe to that hunter guy onlyfan

if you want sims

[slow marsh]

Makes sense

[midnight mist]

ye

[spice spire]

When are the outlaw sims locked Zac

[midnight mist]

we are working on it

we are trying to take control

one sim at a time

[nocturne comet]

new to rogue and assass, im struggling with feeling energy starved in ST is this normal?

[rotund oak]

yes it is

(and no amount of haste can fix that)

its how the spec is

[nocturne comet]

feels shitty from a gameplay POV, in aoe its really fun

[wispy epoch]

@midnight mist SIM BY SIM

dont even need feint

vers main stat

[slow marsh]

Man I missed it here

[rotund oak]

in aoe u get more bleeds running so u get more energy back and keep spaming more

[wispy epoch]

and i can larp as hakari with fatebound outlaw gambler

[nocturne comet]

ya i get that bit, i just thought maybe i was doing something wrong despite having all my bleeds/poisons as possible in ST but i guess ill just have to get used to it

do you pool energy before CDs?

[wispy epoch]

[bleak spoke]

you overcap in deathmark

[wispy epoch]

debateable

[bleak spoke]

for your non deathmark KB you can

[wispy epoch]

how hard can you hit mutilate...

[bleak spoke]

... you can hit it once a second at most

[rotund oak]

when u press deathmark all ur bleeds are duplicated in the target for its full eextend,ur energy is overflowing,its very hard to starve but ideally there are some things u have to take care of BEFORE u send them cds.Nothing special though,some minor set up

[nocturne comet]

ok thanks man

[bleak spoke]

when you have a TDN and you muti 3times and crit none of them 💀

[rotund oak]

u r welcome fam

[bleak spoke]

and you have to go again 💀

[wispy epoch]

what if i dont have garrote or rupture up

and press deathmark

[warm vortex]

Also havent asked yet

[rotund oak]

then deathmark doesnt duplicate anything

[bleak spoke]

if you drop garrote or rupture in single that is wild behavior

[slow marsh]

Then you uninstall

[warm vortex]

but how is everyone doing :D

[rotund oak]

we gucci fam

hbu

[kindred hinge]

Who here is the go to to ask for a log review? Feel like my DPS has been lagging in higher keys compared to what it used to be and would like to have an external pair of eye looking at obvious mistakes.

[bleak spoke]

wait i realize i've never actually known, does dm snapshot empowered garrotes or overwrites both

[wispy epoch]

Every morning, I break my legs, and every afternoon, I break my arms. At night, I lay awake in agony until my heart attacks put me to sleep.

[warm vortex]

Super Super happy w the key prog

[proven jasper]

Its dynamic

[bleak spoke]

i can look at them, i'm washed but technically i know what i'm talking about 💀

[warm vortex]

Have you tried turning it on and off again

[gloomy hinge]

Im struggling big time on my Single target damage during bosses specifically, Im pretty geared at 631, Mythic skardyn, 30% crit 58% mastery. I sometimes sit down at as low as 650-700k at the end of a bossfight
Im not sure what to do differently, but i find myself starved for energy very quickly if i dont go into the fight with 2-3 thistle tea's and even then eventually i get energy starved and dont get to press buttons for several seconds at a time
Mythic+ context
Also when i get starved i "TRY" to pool for shiv windows

[kindred hinge]

need theory not application so it's fine 😄 How do I open a log thread?

[wispy epoch]

you werent alive when that episode came out

that's insane to me

[warm vortex]

I literally had no idea what you were on about

i thought you were just saying smth edgy :D

[bleak spoke]

just link it in here and we can ping someone

[gloomy heart]

gotta finish my crest farm today ughh

[wispy epoch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePVQrmKxayM

[kindred hinge]

@bleak spoke here you go https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/taXGnrkF8qT46HNv#fight=16&type=summary&source=484&view=timeline

Only have one recent log in M+ unforunately

[warm vortex]

Oh yea that guy

[slow marsh]

@spice spire what should I use boost on

[bleak spoke]

ct uptime is hella low

is the first super noticeable thing

[teal lark]

guys do you use Subterfuge? I see all guides recommending standard supercharger path but top rogues in high keys go subterfuge and even skip iron wire for talents like twist the knife, are the guides not up to date or is it only applicable for high keys?

[oak tangle]

@slate crown can you make threads?

[gloomy hinge]

IRON WIRE is key dependant

[teal lark]

it would make sense, where do i need it?

[slate crown]

Myast Log Review

[gloomy hinge]

Necrotic for mages, Ara-kara, Stonevault is a good one too

[teal lark]

okay, and what about TTK vs sudden demise and supercharger vs subterfuge?

[gloomy hinge]

sudden demise is kinda meh imo, The 10% bleed dmg is nice though but i never run it

[wispy epoch]

naw, it's comp dependent

as in

do you trust your team

lmao

[gloomy hinge]

Id run 1 subterfuge, atleast and maybe 1 supercharger, but iprefer running double vanish most of the time

[gloomy hinge]

never

[gloomy hinge]

Forcing mages to group i nnecrotic

Second boss land of the death phase

mostly that stuff ilikeit for

[wispy epoch]

99 roll on sureki zealot insignia

https://tenor.com/view/dragonfishking-dragonfish-dragonfishy-gif-9357121318807339520

[gloomy heart]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gun-wizard-wizard-cat-cat-gun-gun-cat-wizard-gif-821142718141522645

[white holly]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[pearl mauve]

In very high target count situations, do you limit yourself to 2/3 garrote rupture spread (so 6/9) or use full IC to spread as long as there's targets undotted ?

[languid tide]

Why is AE Blind so trash vs the orbs?
Had all orbs spawn in the air stacked , blind only hit 1... and even when they are not in the air it feels like most of the time i only get a few orbs

[oak tangle]

gotta blind off a regular mob

blinding an orb doesnt do aoe blind

[languid tide]

ah that explains a lot thanks 😱 still kinda sucks when they spawn far away from mobs then >(

[oak tangle]

yeah not much we can do

[twilit wind]

last assumption is that if the blind "kills" the target, that ends the effect chain, same reason you can't aoe blind the flame channelers in that waves event for ringing deeps

[oak tangle]

i liked the "orbs dont have eyes" one

[spare flame]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[wispy epoch]

unpopular opinion BUUUUUT

[mystic hollow]

Big deal. I roll 99s on good shit all the time. And then someone rolls a 100

[wispy epoch]

if the team is reliant on rogue for orbs

time for a diff team

ecksdee.................

[slate crown]

I'd say that's probably not an unpopular opinion

[twilit wind]

its the right opinion but if you have a button to save a wipe

use it when needed and know how

[wispy epoch]

cancel me all you want but i said what i said

[slate crown]

you did in fact say what you said.

this is true

[wispy epoch]

im playing enh sham and capacitor is up for eevery one, earthgrab for every other

can spawn earthgrab another time

[lavish geyser]

did I mess something up? first dungeon of the day, and my dmg didnt feel good. iisnt envenom dmg supposed to be much higher?

[wispy epoch]

can sundering a fuckton of em

it's insane

[wispy epoch]

cancel me but i said it

[slate crown]

yes you did say it

https://tenor.com/view/cat-dancing-meme-dancing-cat-white-cat-meme-gif-24092585

oh that was the wrong gif

w/e it works

[wispy epoch]

oh yeah dont forget thunderstorm

25 sec cooldown

10 yard around target knockup

usable while cc'd too ;^)

[spice spire]

Survival hunter

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-4504947027691887877

[wispy epoch]

why do people play surv hunter

[mystic hollow]

Bc they're masochists

[wispy epoch]

just strikes me as hipster spec

[mystic hollow]

Also, harpoon is fun

[wispy epoch]

just be enh and feral lunge

or warrior and charge

[royal lantern]

cool gameplay

its fun

[mystic hollow]

Yeah, but those don't phase you into the boat in Dawnbreaker

[gilded mirage]

throwing bombs is fun

[mystic hollow]

So they're not as fun

[wispy epoch]

back in my day, killing spree was considered fun

kromag killing myself

[royal lantern]

1 of our best players is a survival main

[mystic hollow]

All I know about Surv Hunter is that, when I was helping a friend learn the spec, this was the funniest fucking conditional I've seen on a wowhead page

I think it's another term for No Nut November

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/luigi-mario-nut-super-nut-gif-13073710

[wispy epoch]

i played with the best surv hunter back when it was hard and only had like 44 players in mythic logging kills

(mythic nyalotha)

no wait

emerald nightmare

[royal lantern]

tbf

legion survival and current survival have almost no overlaps in gameplay

[wispy epoch]

whats that mean

explain less smart

[gloomy hinge]

Is there anyone capable of telling me how single target works on this spec or no?

[limber lion]

Guides will

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[oak tangle]

the guides do what are you confused about

[wispy epoch]

garrote, rupture, mutilate and envenom the fuck out of them

[gloomy hinge]

They actually dont, Im following it exactly but im ending up 200k below sims for 3 minutes

[wispy epoch]

ambush first if youre using darkest night

[gloomy hinge]

100%

[wispy epoch]

sims have all buffs and heroism

[gloomy hinge]

No, you can remove buffs

[wispy epoch]

hm

[oak tangle]

sim's are perfection

[wispy epoch]

maybe youre just bad

[gloomy hinge]

Ìm also comparing my inputs and damage of zerocool who has His inputs showing (Having extremely similar stats with the exception of 1k agility)

and im replicating that

Yet my damage fall off is EXTREME

[wispy epoch]

1k agi

is really big

[gloomy hinge]

but its not 200k dps in 3 minutes big

[wispy epoch]

that's like 27k?

[oak tangle]

link some logs, otherwise all we can tell you is that a) you wont beat or meet your sim, and b) practice

[gloomy hinge]

I will log this GB run

As there is alot of ST boss

[wispy epoch]

https://wowanalyzer.com/ do it yourself and ignore the fan of knives thing

:[

grain of salt

[gloomy hinge]

why ignore the fan of knives proc?

[wispy epoch]

no

on the wowanalyzer

ignore it

it doesnt have that built in

and says "ur bad for using it on 1-2 target"

[gloomy hinge]

ah

[gloomy heart]

NW will be the end of me

Shouldve been 2.2mil but they didnt understand 3rd boss

Sigh.

[raw swan]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[wispy epoch]

"ty for the carry"

[gloomy heart]

i had a insane run but they made us wipe

[tired gull]

Literally me every time walking dungeon I get with a level 10 monk 😁

[wispy epoch]

frost dk with 1mil overall is a mystery

[limber lion]

0 targets

hmm

[wispy epoch]

it's my fidgetspinner

since they took my track traps button

[woven folio]

outside of cds when running TTK, is it worth just envenoming exactly before it expires to save tea proc or not worth?

[coral ibex]

you can avoid auto tea by not mutilating under 80 energy

and envenom under 60

you should be envenoming in pandemic anyway

[woven folio]

pandemic?

[coral ibex]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[wispy epoch]

i honestly dont give a shit about thistle tea outside of my openers in ST and in aoe it hardly ever procs b/c you're so energy maxxed, so you just slap that shit for the mastery buff when you're KBing

but what do i know

[slow marsh]

I already have one. Remember?

I say that like you should or something mb

[cerulean maple]

oh that's a very good point 💀 i didnt even realize

i should probably swap sanguine for iw i guess?

or MA

[limber lion]

yeah

[modern harbor]

Is Fatebound now stronger in single target or not?

[fleet pagoda]

probably need to sim that on your own character

[modern harbor]

hmmm okay thx

seems legit 😄

[bleak spoke]

fidget spin with Detection

you make a cool glowy spark

and it doesn't destealth you

[keen spruce]

I see u have an augmentation hunter

[gloomy heart]

Yeah they were piss low

[wispy epoch]

depends, how much crit you got

[midnight mist]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[lavish salmon]

Skardybs and sacbrood or skardyns and spyglass on kyveza M?

[wraith marsh]

Hey I'm having a really hard time managing energy in Raids -- Should I always be casting on Assassination rogue or do I want to start timing GCD's for envenom proc?

[tired gull]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[wraith marsh]

Thank you!

[tired gull]

Of course

[tired gull]

Best bet would be to sim it

[royal lantern]

going into p3 with 20 people alive is what matters

not the 0,1% difference bettwen trinkets 😄

[lavish salmon]

true 😔

[blazing grove]

So just to clarify the !design message, in ST is the idea to always only send envenom to refresh it?

[coral ibex]

sims as 0.4% higher than deathstalker but is much more RNG so i dont swap on kyveza

sims 0.4% higher for me specifically

[wraith marsh]

!talents

[royal lantern]

wowhead

[wraith marsh]

Ah -- was hoping there would be a sticky for talents.

Is the wowhead guide updated for raid now? Or should I just go peeping people's logs?

[royal lantern]

yes its updated

was always

[hollow gazelle]

is darkest night the highest prio in aoe and st?

[royal lantern]

in st yes, in aoe no

[rotund oak]

in aoe mark loses value but u should always aim to apply

[royal lantern]

^

[rotund oak]

i wanna push to 3k r.io but im thinking what will it cost

hours in que

[kindred hinge]

Was stuck ages at 3k due to that, then decided to play with a heal and well that went fast after that

[bleak spoke]

i just refuse to use the group finder

if i'm not playin iwth the boys i'm not playing

[kindred hinge]

One invite per 5h was not the best way to get point definitely

[rotund oak]

yup i cba,ild rather wait 20min for a shuffle que

[bleak spoke]

(tbh i might start queueing up soon though like this version of sin's actually been so fun to play)

maybe as more people get out of ansurek jail in the coming weeks i won't have to 💀

[rotund oak]

its ok but ild rather play my orc and stomp some nerds in arena

[bleak spoke]

i'm too bad at pvp, the only season i got anywhere was late bfa when you could pop out on people with mythic raid gear + corruptions andt hey just could not stop you

[rotund oak]

i dont wanna break it to you but u will be impressed how many brainlets are playing in 2.2-2.4 range

[kindred hinge]

Q become too long at bottleneck keys, currently 15+ under that it's not too bad to be fair

[rotund oak]

literally barely know to walk

[glad osprey]

What do ya’ll do if you lag and didn’t apply a deathmark from stealth and vanish is on cd?

[bleak spoke]

actually cry