assassination

[slate crown]

Are you sure you want to remove your combo point/energy info?

Presumably you are looking elsewhere for it

oh Sorry I didn't explain this, in the first image change that dropdown from Select Frame to Screen/Parent Group

[ornate wagon]

guys if you have darkest night active can you enter pack in stealth with ambush as usual to mark target or does it have to be 7 cp envenom please? ty

[slate crown]

If you have darkest night active you can enter with ambush but you shouldn't

ambush is only to get mark up

if you have darkest night already then you can just enter with garrote as long as you get the envenom off to apply your mark

[stark kraken]

with current mark bug you propably will need to envenom if you have darkest night buff i think

stacks dont go down

[ornate wagon]

ty guys but if i dont stealth into pack with ind carnage talent how do i mark all my bleeds up and get ripping just to do a 7 cp envenom please?

[stark kraken]

Just put like 4 ruptures and then just start caustic spatter

also can just vanish for it right

[ornate wagon]

yeah ok ty ❤️ does this happen much though?

[stark kraken]

depends on the tank 😄

imo its rare to happen

[ornate wagon]

so if mob dies in pack before surely you will have to open with 7 cp envom quite often no?

[stark kraken]

depends of key level, and if you mark the biggest guy in pack

but of course like in grim batol if you mark smallies before last boss you will get darkest night buff constantly

[ornate wagon]

so is it a massive dps loss to open in stealth while dark night buff is active?

[harsh violet]

Is this part of luxthos WA or is this something else in my settings? it's insane how much vision this is taking away

[stark kraken]

Not really, you can just envenom as first things in the pack, or just before your start spamming envenoms for caustic splatter after you put out all your bleeds(just make sure you dont let darkest night run out in this situation :D)

[stark kraken]

on training dummy? those are plater settings that make it like this

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[stark kraken]

there are platers profiles that are good ^

[harsh violet]

Thanks, i've got plater but never used them, i'll have a look now

[slate crown]

yeah all the icons above the training dummy are nameplate debuffs, as hikii said take one of the plater settings above to reduce them down, you can also blacklist certain buffs

I blacklist all of those

[harsh violet]

Is this while also using one of the recomended ones or haev you jumped in and done it yourself?

[slate crown]

I think one of the above recommended will have most of these already

some of these I added myself

I'm using Ceverion's Plater myself

just with some slight mods

[harsh violet]

Cheers for the help

[oak tangle]

this is not relevant to anything, but my friend just linked me this video

i thought it was great

[stark kraken]

[lavish geyser]

when it comes to getting invites for 12s, im currently 626 ilvl, is that good enough? I have 12s done and ++11s as well, but im not rly getting that many invites.

[novel star]

626 is more than enough to time a 12 but pretty ugly for group finder purposes

[lavish geyser]

had a 3k tank and healer get wiped out to the guards ( the ones who has the circle around em) like 3 times in a row in cot and they left XD. so my key is just a useless 11

[lavish geyser]

yeye I know its more enough. I got my first 12 at 622 or something

[novel star]

but yeah

626 unattractive in lfg

[lavish geyser]

I wanna know if we stick with tierset shoulders? cause I dont know if I want to upgrade it if we dont use it

[novel star]

when a lot of ppl are 630+ by now

[lavish geyser]

I see

[novel star]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[novel star]

wowhead has the tier set thing

i don’t remember what slot is “bad”

chest maybe

doesn’t really matter though

if it’s myth track just send it

[lavish geyser]

well I dont have chest mythic, I only have shoulders from when I played outlaw

but I dont wanna risk ending up not having enough crests for 635 ilvl

[novel star]

not enough crests doesn’t exist at this point rly

[lavish geyser]

was told there is a cap

[novel star]

i mean

yeah

but the cap goes up by 90 every week

[lavish geyser]

oh ok, I started late as well,

i 547/900

[novel star]

if you have any myth track items just slam crests on them tbh

[lavish geyser]

I have played 2 weeks on this char total

:C

[novel star]

only bad thing u can do with gilded is spend on hero dogshit

[lavish geyser]

so I only have 2

maxed one, though

😎

[dawn heath]

what wa's do u guys use for kingsbane tracking?

[novel star]

i dont

tracking kingsbane doesn’t do anything

[lavish geyser]

like the countdown?

[novel star]

i think LE has one but it’s like

4fun

dopamine shit

[lavish geyser]

oooh the one that tells the dmg?

[novel star]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[novel star]

nvm les isn’t even the dopamine kb

but point is idk what ur even trying to track

[spice spire]

These nuts

[novel star]

i’ll lick em clean if you say that shit to me again bro

[spice spire]

Dog what

[novel star]

u heard me.

be careful

[slate crown]

u called me no fun

[novel star]

yeah

:3

my b

[pure moth]

I always open discord at an interesting time

[novel star]

[dawn heath]

Like showing duration on kingsbane

for timing your shivs or whatever

[slate crown]

oh that's one I do have

[lavish geyser]

I have one that counts down

[novel star]

p much any pack does it but yeah LE has a standalone timer bar thing

[lavish geyser]

I use "gram" wa

but I have changed it a bit, not much

[novel star]

if ur not a wa group enjoyer

[lavish geyser]

and then I just send it at 8/7 sec.

[coral wharf]

i know its a dumb question but what lethal posions should i use as assa rogue?

[harsh violet]

deadly & amplifying

[coral wharf]

it dosnt matter if its on mh or off-hand right?

[lavish geyser]

i just choose the ones that look differnt from the ones I use on sub or outlaw

[coral wharf]

new to retail xD

[harsh violet]

it just applies to you, doesn't specify mh or oh

[coral wharf]

thanks

[warm vortex]

Just had a
really bad group

and tbh

i should have left once i saw this was the man piloting the group

(Ik i wasnt on assa just found it funny and this is the off topic channel)

[spice spire]

Idk man I’ve had a tank named lacedfent and he owned

[warm vortex]

This one died about 8 times before second NW boss, flipped the frontal ads

also

we had

5 GROUP CCS

and nobody but me used them

and we died to the groups of casters

[lethal turtle]

Love having my morning coffee and just browsing through plater tabs and found special buffs

Looks good for caustic spatter

[harsh violet]

I can't really figure it out reading on wowhead, but during extended pulls, do i spam envenom or spam crimson tempest? This is obviously after having caustic and ct debuff up

ah i just found it, envemon

[normal mist]

crimson tempest is a dot

you don't spam it

[bleak sun]

Oof S2 will be a pain for pugging m+

[oak tangle]

Why

[bleak sun]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/war-within-season-2-dungeon-rotation-theater-of-pain-and-operation-mechagon-350855

[dapper cradle]

Pulling out mechagon again is a travesty

[warm vortex]

Theatre

why

WHY

WHY

WHY

This season

looks dog water

holy

[normal mist]

This is not trade chat

[short night]

when im out of teas i just do nothing

what am i doing wrong

also how am i supposed to contro lthis? tea auto pops

[normal mist]

dont spam

[oak tangle]

i swear people dont read tooltips

[hallow pelican]

Nononono mechagon nooooo curls up in a fetal position and cries in fire mage

[warm vortex]

I apologise mister royal
or ill use your full name
Royal - Read The Pins / Wowhead

[oak tangle]

have to add to the name, read the pins / wowhead / tooltips

would catch spatter and auto tea in one task

[short night]

???

[thorn fjord]

Y'all like turtles?

[short night]

"when your energy is reduced below 30k drink a thistle tea" what could i possibly be missing?

[warm vortex]

Btw
anyone know if any drops will be good for us in the dungeons

[warm vortex]

Just

don't go below that amount of energy

[short night]

4head

[warm vortex]

No literally

[short night]

i should like add a line on my weakaura

resource bar

[warm vortex]

that's how you deal with it

Personally idk why they added it
i mean i do because it makes it simple

[short night]

no i believe you , im just new to sin and didnt know if that was actually what ur supposed to do

[thorn fjord]

Or you just play normally and ignore it completely and you can still achieve good results

[warm vortex]

Also what the hell is the point of one single mechagon

[thorn fjord]

Its really that insignificant

[warm vortex]

can't wait to run the
when you hit an enemy from behind..... ring and nothing else

[warm vortex]

Yes
but sometimes if you fuck up it proc

[thorn fjord]

Not the end of the world though

You can continue to vibe

[misty torrent]

Hey scoundrel experts.
I have a problem. I am scrub at using my kick. Or rather. I have a hard time actually targeting the ones, that needs kicking. I have a mouse over macro for it, but sometimes the packs/pulls are so dense.

What do you guys do? Any tips and tricks?

[thorn fjord]

Mouse over focus and a focus kick macro works better for me than a mouse over kick macro

[warm vortex]

No it is!
I NEED my tea when im THIRSTY

you ever just downed a cup of tea when you aren't thirsty

Seriously though i loved the when..... ....do rings from mechagon
sad we don't get to use them

[short night]

me when i add a tick at 30 energy

im a pro

[warm vortex]

Im dissapointed you didn't give us gnomer for this season

[vernal turret]

try qua zii platter profile, it highlight kicks really well

[warm vortex]

Boring blood elf

stinky

I just use a focus macro when i game

[short night]

how bis is night elf? does shadowmeld give you extra garrotes

i assume?

[warm vortex]

Just focus the thing that makes the big bad cast

Ask shadowmeld

if it's feeling up to it yea
if it wants to bug out and not work properly no

[short night]

extra improved garrotes seems crazy good

[misty torrent]

What does your macro look like? That could be nice for me.

Sometimes I just smash my kick into the fattest guy, who doesn't need interrupting

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[vernal turret]

you need it to be at 80

[thorn fjord]

not at my pc right now and dont remember exactly off the top of my head 😦

[short night]

???

why

[warm vortex]

!meld

Bro why doesn't it work in assa channel

[vernal turret]

guess how many energy you will have once you trigger mutilate from 60 energy 🙂

[warm vortex]

This was in the outlaw channel

[short night]

yes but other abilities cost less than 50

[warm vortex]

so idk how accurate it is for assa

[short night]

so the bar just tells you when you cant mutilate

[mint urchin]

If you have the bar that low you'll probably burn your tea charges

[cerulean compass]

For shadowmeld, it's good to dodge mechanics, and still bugged since a lot of times, if you shadowmeld, sometimes it will not let you back to stealth, sometimes it will, I just play it as defensif or I try to play it when my tank is chain pulling

[warm vortex]

Tbh

[brave vector]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[warm vortex]

Just play whatever the hll you want

[mint urchin]

Isn't the CD on meld like 3m?

[warm vortex]

Please don't use tricks in m+ D:

Like im a goblin, which is shit for assa
But i still play smol goblin anklestabber

[mint urchin]

From a dps perspective one extra imp garrotte every 3m that may or may not work at all is not a huge increase

Compared to like Orc

[warm vortex]

Or dwarf

[oak tangle]

meld is 2 mins, but you are right, the imp garrote does not matter, the iron wire during a chain pull though

[mint urchin]

That's only if you get the restealth but yes that can be nice

[oak tangle]

also there are so many mechanics it negates

[mint urchin]

But I'd rather take orc racial for CD windows and just play around without a trace imo

[oak tangle]

basically every boss in grim batol has something

[noble flume]

Any suggestion , i have this problem, i got a macro for deathmark skardyn and pre pot, but only works with r2 , not r3 pre pots

[oak tangle]

/use item:#####

find the item id for which pot you want

[mint urchin]

I just use /use tempered potion and not had issues

[oak tangle]

it picks the potion that is first in your inventory

if you have 2 types

causes issues

[noble flume]

y i think so

i bought 1 r2 and 1 r3

but only the r2 works

the other not

i guess ill find the number of the item

[oak tangle]

its in the url of the item on wowhead, but depending on your addons if you hold alt while hovering it may be in the tooltip

[noble flume]

that works

appreciated brop

[slate crown]

Get the IdTip addon, adds this info to every spell/buff/item in the game, super helpful

[opal pumice]

Did anyone screenshot the MDI rogue talents?

[normal mist]

why would we

[humble verge]

dang was boosting some keys earlier

and didnt realize why the other rogue was doing more damage

dawg didnt even have iron wire talented

[vast patio]

I feel like someone needs to be fired.

[runic hinge]

@ebon notch show this man your talents

[vast patio]

Mechagon workshop is the least painful one there lol

[ebon notch]

if you go to the raider.io website

[vast patio]

But final boss with affixes could be pretty cringe

[ebon notch]

you can see the talent loadouts for each map

and for each player in each map

[mystic hollow]

Theater of Pain sucks SO MUCH....

[dapper cradle]

theater of piss

[rotund oak]

yo its not that bad

[vast patio]

They are definitely picking dunge9ns nobody wants on purpose lol

[slate crown]

that's a take

[dapper cradle]

fr though picking mechagon again is insane

we've had it so many times already

[ebon notch]

theatre of piss is fucking awful

literally kill me

[rotund oak]

its workshop yup

[vast patio]

At least give us Freehold again

[rotund oak]

not junkyard

kinda cringe

[vast patio]

Put Freehold in every season

[runic hinge]

Not everyone likes freehold

[dapper cradle]

M+ seasons only have one dungeon going forward and its always freehold

based

[rotund oak]

put WCM in every season

[vast patio]

Fuckem

[rotund oak]

ild love a MoS some time..

was fun

[runic hinge]

That’s what they said to you when they put theater of pain

[serene mason]

evening, can someone share a m+ built with "Without a Trace" ?

[vast patio]

I bet s3 will have shrine

Lol

[dapper cradle]

shrine

[rotund oak]

i cant die there

its impossible

[dapper cradle]

what about king's rest

[lethal arrow]

So the workshop rings will just be stat sticks

Fun

[vast patio]

Didn't even think about that. Lame.

[rotund oak]

that feels weird already

[lethal onyx]

Ima miss door of shadows in workshop

[rotund oak]

door was goated

[lethal onyx]

could just skip all the bots

[rotund oak]

yup

yo we got motherlode now

bomber skipperinos

drillers on top of elementals

wicked stuff

im down

[lethal arrow]

Or they make both sets of rings drop from workshop

Which would be even worse

[vast patio]

I doubt they'd do that

[lethal onyx]

oh yea the rings

[gloomy heart]

[lethal onyx]

What was the name again

[vast tangle]

Why do guides say to go for 5/5 set instead of going 4/5 and getting better secondary stats on one piece of gear?

[rotund oak]

oveclocked band something

cant recall

getting

[vast patio]

'Patrick, I don't think these dungeons can get worse"

"Nonsense!"

[lethal onyx]

Overclocking bit band

Haste mastery

[rotund oak]

yup

and the other was loop something

[gloomy heart]

[warm vortex]

Theatre of pain

:(

Hate that place

[lethal onyx]

Did the torch drop in mechagon or was that in junkyard

[vast patio]

Would we just go raid spec in theater

[lethal onyx]

I think its an axe

[warm vortex]

I mean i can try and stun and pad the pvp fight in pugs

would be funny (totally)

[vast patio]

I remember pissing a lot of people off when I briefly played rogue in sl lol

Just stunlock them in that fight and lolgg

I never got to play with the bone spike legendary though. Seemed dope.

[lethal arrow]

Just let me get both rings

[shy axle]

do i understand the pooling on st fights with the m+ spec correctly that i just do env in the last second of the env buff and thats it?

[warm vortex]

Like i remember people saying
"The dungeon pool should be for this season only"
I would rather have that than the dungeon pool next season

[devout sphinx]

i was just hoping for shrine + cathedral ... but these could have been much worse

[warm vortex]

it seems so dog

I don't remember motherload that welL
isn't it just
packs and packs and packs and packs of ads

[lethal arrow]

Yeah motherload is wall to wall pulls

Tiny little dungeon

[warm vortex]

So

is it good for assa or not?
i can imagine it both ways
imagining how much chainpulling will be in it
!00% a WoT dungeon X)

[gloomy heart]

chain pulling

[rotund oak]

motherlode has a great trinket

passive for sin

azerok's heart or something

[vast patio]

I love motherlode.

[rotund oak]

yup,its fun

[vast patio]

A lot of people don't

But reaping motherlode was peak

[rotund oak]

think it was mast on equip agil on proc

[mint urchin]

A lot don't because the fun of the dungeon was 100% based on what wack path your tank took

Did you get all 90% before first? Did you pull the entire last area? No one knows what it was gonna be each run lol

[vast patio]

Was this before or after all the cringe target capping, I forget

That'd also be part of it in this season

Depending on tuning, cinderbrew will either be the most fun or the most annoying

[rotund oak]

priory will be cringe

but there is a trinket there

[lavish geyser]

just spent 45 min in queue for tank to do mdi pull, not realise he was the one who pulled an bricked the key instantly XD

[rotund oak]

on use one

[opal pumice]

Wait that works now? Thanks man

[vast patio]

Wonder if they'll nerf rogue. Tunings been weird af.

Hit arcane but allow enhance to be, well, enhance

[ebon notch]

no problem

[warm vortex]

Just straight up drops heart of Azeroth

The e tire legendary

[warm vortex]

Did they make new patches or was this an old one

[final dawn]

Rogue has 1 viable spec in m+ (i guess, not really sure) so if they fuck rogue ill be mad af and need to quit

No twink

[warm vortex]

Outlaw is good atm no? Or am I tripping

Bro they fire like 50 people a week

So most likely

[final dawn]

I only see assa

But i am not so much looking left and right, soooo

[mystic hollow]

As a tank main, I'm so hyped

Easy pulls easy grouping

[warm vortex]

Rogue tank gamer

[mystic hollow]

Yes.... I tank on my... rogue...

hides my Prot Warrior main

How do you do, fellow Rogues? I'm something of an Assassin myself...

[warm vortex]

Trueeee

[mint urchin]

I haven't been following it that close but I think the range nerf and target cap hurts them this season

There are a lot of 8+ mob pulls

[rotund oak]

where is my battle shout yo

[high epoch]

Yo since ToP is coming, do we beat pallies 1v1. Got my homie talking mad shit about just killing me in bubble and I gotta know, do I dumpster his ass? I will brick my key rather than lose to him

[mystic hollow]

Oh my bad, I got you

I mean, I wouldn't know... bc I'm a rogue

[rotund oak]

rets and strong but u should win,either sub or sin

with double vanish i dont think u can lose

if u are human those chances are even smaller for ret

coz ret kills in a hoj

[high epoch]

Yeah this is what I figured

Hoj can be cloaked right?

[rotund oak]

yes

[high epoch]

My group is all speds so this is 100% gonna be our key that gets bricked every week

[rotund oak]

vanish garrote his shield/flag or KB it,he bubbles u vanish

send DM

and melt his face

[high epoch]

We’re all just gonna be dumping coolies and defensives to kill each other

[rotund oak]

its a matter of honor

[distant helm]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[late ravine]

Almost anything is decent for 10-11

should be gucci

[cloud yew]

maybe probably.. yes..

:d

[torpid sparrow]

sry to bother you guys , anyone got the ovinax trinket wa from LE?

[dense talon]

are we using using ttk instead of sudden demise in m+? is it for keys 15+ or can be taken for 13s and 14s?

[cloud yew]

lol im just messin with ya.. listen to speed hes the best to do it

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

In the collection

[cloud yew]

twist that knife king

[valid pulsar]

The top one is your WA correct?

[royal lantern]

no, the WA is from the Good Whispyr

the guy you pinged rn is the Evil Whispyr

[valid pulsar]

Oh okay

I like the good one

Thanks

[balmy condor]

[warm vortex]

Whatever sims higher, most likely TRK

*ttk

Hi Whispyr

And try!

[balmy condor]

Hello

[warm vortex]

How’s it going

[balmy condor]

It’s aight

Still sick

[warm vortex]

Fair

I’m having some stomach pains right in the middle of staff training

[rotund oak]

just ate ragu beef with pasta

and feta cheese

in case u are wondering

[warm vortex]

Nice

Also somehow took me this long to swap from SD to SB

Had no idea how nuts SB was

[cursive ocean]

What’s my best bet on a chain pull in dungeons and vanish is on cd? Manually dotting the new pack or is there a quicker way. Noob rogue here

[warm vortex]

Just worry about getting the ruptures on 5 targets I believe for scent

[cursive ocean]

Got it thank you!

[warm vortex]

I believe so
Maybe check with Whispyr

[coral ibex]

you just manually reapply

this is why i run WAT in pugs

never know what the tank is gonna do or when they're gonna decide to chain and spit in your face

[cursive ocean]

I’m having a problem in pubs rn where all they do is chain pull

[warm vortex]

Yea WaT is good

[cursive ocean]

I’ll have to look into that.
Not even sure what it is

[warm vortex]

Without a trace

Talent under subterfuge

+1 vanish charge

[arctic socket]

Double vanish charge is pretty nice

Make sure though your sitting back if you notice your tank running to the next pack with a almost dead mob

So you can get a restealth

[coral ibex]

yea they just need to either make it a 1m cd or recharge 2 per 2m

[arctic socket]

Vanish should be a 30 second cd

[warm vortex]

Or kidney a mob that’s try to run

[royal lantern]

those takes

bruh

[warm vortex]

Vanish should be how stealth works

[royal lantern]

yes sure, vanish 30sec cd

[cursive ocean]

I didn’t even think of that, thank you

[royal lantern]

[warm vortex]

Vanish 0 sec CD

Even better

Literal perma stealth

[deep gyro]

Nah too broken

[arctic socket]

If ret paladins can get permanent wing uptime

[deep gyro]

30 secd 3 charges

[arctic socket]

We can get 30 cd vanish

[grim jay]

Based

[cerulean burrow]

which is better deathstalker or fatebound?

[coral ibex]

WAT could literally just reduce vanish cd by 60s and it would be better than current

[grim jay]

Deathstalker

Fuck coinclown

[arctic socket]

Fatebound is better

For me

Sims better

[royal lantern]

played it for court once for the memess

300k dps higher then all my other kills

cus LOL flip rng

such a dogshit tree, its incredible

[grim jay]

But I remember you DMing about how bad it feels

[warm vortex]

Indeed

[royal lantern]

"just be lucky and you do insane dmg lol xddddd"

[arctic socket]

How does it feel bad

It’s all passive

[warm vortex]

DS can be annoying too sometimes but most of the time it’s fine

[royal lantern]

yeha sure, i LOVE huge dps swings cus of RNG bettwen pulls

10/10

[arctic socket]

Just rng better noob

[cerulean burrow]

so

[rotund oak]

so

[cerulean burrow]

i guess ill choose uh

[arctic socket]

Deathstalker

You will
Choose that

[grim jay]

I wanna save all my rng for vault to still get disappointed

[cerulean burrow]

yes lol

[arctic socket]

I have nothing left to get

Playing the game is pointless

[grim jay]

Fuck me

[arctic socket]

I’m fully myth in all my slots besides mythic queen

[grim jay]

My vaults been bad af

[cerulean burrow]

is the more consistent damage from deathstalker that much lower than good rng ? with fatebound
?\

[rotund oak]

my vault is gonna be gigahuge,dunno about urs,its either a wpn or a trinket for me on reset

[arctic socket]

I have a 639 skardyns n crystal now

[warm vortex]

I need to do delves so I can get max tokens

[warm vortex]

I’ll have that but sac and grace this week

[arctic socket]

Just play deathstalker it’s better

[rotund oak]

[cerulean burrow]

okie dokie

[arctic socket]

Fatebound only becomes better when you’re extremely geared and have REALLY good rng

During damage amp

[warm vortex]

Yea

Also starting to play other classes has shown me how boring rogues are

[cerulean burrow]

can you recomend a good guide for assa? i became really good at outlaw..... and then poof assa became meta so ... here i am ...

[rotund oak]

fatebound is the epitomy of rng,deathstalker is the epitomy of determinism

[warm vortex]

Wowhead

[arctic socket]

Go to wowhead

[warm vortex]

Just look at wowhead

[arctic socket]

Or whispyrs yap videos on youtube

[rotund oak]

wowhead

[royal lantern]

i love rogue, i really do

but everytime you play something else you realise how some things could be world better but they just get ignored

[cerulean burrow]

I love outlaw but ive always wanted to give assa a solid change ....

[royal lantern]

like, when i saw arms skullsplitter, i thought its annoying shit like exsang

until i realised how skullspliter works and thought "wtf was exsang not like that?"

and there are so many things like that lol

[warm vortex]

True

[arctic socket]

I wish we played like ret

[royal lantern]

then play ret?

[arctic socket]

Armor slots

Offhands are piss

[arctic socket]

Nah

Too slow

[royal lantern]

tf you mean

[warm vortex]

Tried lock, Diablo rocks
Tried war, slayer and collosus rocks
Tried hunter, dark ranger rocks

[royal lantern]

jesus christ

[arctic socket]

Too

Slow

[cerulean burrow]

Yeah I wish our rotation was braindead too.

[arctic socket]

Exactly

[warm vortex]

Tbf

[arctic socket]

I mean it is

But

[gloomy otter]

hello whats more difficult to play in raids , assa or sub

[warm vortex]

Skull splitter ain’t fun

For aoe imo

[arctic socket]

Sub

[warm vortex]

Sub

[royal lantern]

was just an example

[limber lion]

Not that difficult

But def more than Assa

[warm vortex]

Yeye ik

I just hate that stupid spell in aoe

[gloomy otter]

oki thank you 🙂

[warm vortex]

XD

[arctic socket]

If you mess up once as sub RIP

[cerulean burrow]

I think assa is the most difficult spec out of the three personally

[severe meadow]

I play my fury warrior sometimes and it's fun to smash my keyboard

[royal lantern]

i mean, we have outlaw for that

[arctic socket]

Outlaw is the most difficult rogue spec if played perfectly in my opinion

[severe meadow]

I don't like playing outlaw tbh

[royal lantern]

you got gaslighted by outlaws, i see

[cerulean burrow]

I can parse 90 and above most of the time on outlaw but i think its just becasue im super used to it now

[arctic socket]

I have played it

[warm vortex]

Outlaw feels like it’s quite rng based but I could be wrong

[thorn fjord]

i think OL is prob the easiest to play in keys and hardest to play ST

Margin for error is so so low

[cerulean burrow]

I mean a little bit on RTB but most of the time you can keep up good buffs....

[warm vortex]

Morso thought the BtE refunds

[cerulean burrow]

that too

[rotund oak]

outlaw rotation isnt even hard now,basicly no brainpower required

if there was acro 95% of the playerbase would play outlaw

[gloomy hinge]

does supercharge shiv combopoint surpass the cap?

of 7?

[thorn fjord]

yeah

[grim jay]

That was for you

[grim jay]

Dont tell them

They will cling to the apm needed

Which my grandma would probably even get

(she is 95 and probably cant move half of her fingers)

[spice spire]

I am not your friend

I am your bestie

[quasi ingot]

lmfao... "Mentally In Illinois"...im here bro..i feel it

[grim jay]

I wish I could feel quake

[mint urchin]

I dunno I feel like RtB's can still be a lot to track amid everything else happening... but the removal of Slice and Dice from something you have to pay attention to may make it easier

[grim jay]

People use WAs that basically play rtb alone. Also all in all the other specs have way more to track

[rotund oak]

[grim jay]

Than puny rtb buffs

[mint urchin]

I know I played in S3 DF

But still like mid pull with interrupts etc... tracking your buffs and when to KiR can be a bit

I find it way easier to track rupt/garrotte/caustic

[rotund oak]

what exactly to track from rtb,u just press and continue,its not like u can fish buffs like back on bfa

[mint urchin]

Do they not now?

I thought they still did

[rotund oak]

....

[mint urchin]

Not fish but when to re-roll versus KiR I thought was specific buff dependant

[rotund oak]

its literally 2 conditions

[mint urchin]

What does Assa have thats complex tracking though? Like I guess shiv during KB?

[rotund oak]

if thats hard u shouldnt try sub

sin is very str8 forward

not rly challenging but it requires brainpower

to always keep the bleeds up and follow the routine

[mint urchin]

I am not saying current outlaw is like "omg crazy" but I do think it requires more then Assa... maybe I've just played too much Assa and its autopilot now

[pearl steppe]

hey guys

do you use the stance bar?

[rotund oak]

the only thing that requires is speed

its physically exhausting

thats all

[mint urchin]

Thats fair, I'll agree to that

[rotund oak]

as in stance macros?

[pearl steppe]

no like

when you stealth the bar changes

[rotund oak]

yeeeees what about it?

[pearl steppe]

do you use it?

cause i noticed in options you can turn it off

[mint urchin]

Thats just personal preference

[pearl steppe]

im wondering if it is better to just have dedicated buttons for everything

[rotund oak]

u can even mask it with addons and macros if u want

[pearl steppe]

instead of having all the requires stealth buttons on a stance bar

[rotund oak]

nothing special,its mostly how u like it

[mint urchin]

You can just remap most of your buttons to the stealth bar so its functionally the same but ambush and a few others

[pearl steppe]

@mint urchin that's what ive done

right now my stance bar is same as normal bar except ambush is on it

thats why i was thinking like

why dont i just drop the bar altogether

[mint urchin]

Like I think the only thing that changes for me is Ambush/Cheapshot and stuff like sap I have on a specific keybind

[pearl steppe]

I think ill try some gameplay without it and see if i like it

i have another question since you mentioned macros

is there a macro where i can like press 1 button and sequentially apply all 4 poisons

doing it manually is a bit tedious

[mint urchin]

There are WA's

Where you just press the icon

[pearl steppe]

I have whispyrs wa

[slate crown]

I just press all 4

[pearl steppe]

I been doing that but i figured like surely someone has a quick macro that does it at 1 press or something

im fairly new to this stuff

[slate crown]

I’m sure there are cast sequence macros that exist for it

[pearl steppe]

yeaaa

thats what i was asking after

it's not a huge deal

[mint urchin]

I mean you do it once an hour

I think most people just hit all 4

[pearl steppe]

kk

[slate crown]

I wouldn’t use a WA for it because that is a clickable WA tied to a castable action. A crime in my household.

[pearl steppe]

why does the last 8s matter for shiv?

trying to understand the interaction

[mint urchin]

Thats when the biggest dam happens during KB

[pearl steppe]

oh KB dmg is backloaded?

[limber lion]

Kingsbane ramps up in damage

Yes

[pearl steppe]

i see i see

[slate crown]

Study kingsbane tooltip

And think about how what it says will change the damage it deals at each time point

[pearl steppe]

I see it can ramp up to 1000%

[muted ridge]

!crest

[slate crown]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[muted ridge]

ty g

[pearl steppe]

what is the shiv interaction tho

does kingsbane count as a non-lethal poison?

[limber lion]

Shiv increases the damage Kingsbane does

Read what the first Shiv talent does

[mint urchin]

Shiv isnt non-lethal

[pearl steppe]

I thought it was only numbing and crippling that were nonlethal

[limber lion]

Read the Shiv talent

[limber lion]

the talent

again

[slate crown]

You?

[limber lion]

Improved Shiv increases the Nature damage dealt by 25%

[coral ibex]

[limber lion]

:-)

[pearl steppe]

ohh

[limber lion]

Or better yet, 30%!

[pearl steppe]

so if im not specced into improved shiv

then it doesnt matter

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/bro-just-spunned-in-front-of-the-females-cat-cat-spin-cat-spun-cat-getting-spun-gif-13054455793337746706

[limber lion]

But you are

[coral ibex]

holy moly

[limber lion]

100% of the time

[pearl steppe]

kk

[coral ibex]

bro read the talent

[muted ridge]

there making it easier

[pearl steppe]

with all due respect im obviously reading the talent and I still didn't understand so I asked here

like come on

relax

[limber lion]

You obviously weren't because you just linked a picture of the Shiv tooltip

Not the talent

But it's okay

[pearl steppe]

yeah and im new enough that i didnt know the difference lol

i thought we were talking about the ability

[limber lion]

That's why I said talent 3 times

[pearl steppe]

but there's a talent that changes the ability

[limber lion]

Specifically

[muted ridge]

Kingsbane does Nature damage
Improved Shiv increased Nature Dmg

If u use Shiv last 8 seconds, the ramping dmg of KB gets increased (for final ticks)

[limber lion]

Yes

That's how most talents work

They change how core abilities work

Like how Garrote works

How Ruptures functions

How we get energy

And so on

[pearl steppe]

yeah i understand now but thanks for the succinct explanation

[muted ridge]

you're welcome

[slate crown]

We got there in the end

[limber lion]

[muted ridge]

ye its just Ceverion being toxic smh my head

[pearl steppe]

he applied his toxic poison 4x 😦

[limber lion]

Reply to a single message where I'm toxic

I'll wait

Just helping out and getting blasted again with this shit

Unlucky

[muted ridge]

[limber lion]

see, knew you couldn't

[pearl steppe]

was just a joke

[molten flicker]

shaking my head my head

seemsgood

[pearl steppe]

also in my defense you said read "the talent" which is correct

but im on the wowhead guide

and look at the top

[slate crown]

Cev you have like hundreds of thousands of messages here

[pearl steppe]

it says "talent"

so I thought I WAS reading the talent

it's a bit confusing is all

[slate crown]

There’s no way that was a safe statement to make

[limber lion]

True, someone could start digging

Wouldn't exactly take an archeologist to find something

[limber lion]

That's fine

[muted ridge]

toxic towards himself even. smh

[pearl steppe]

also another question, is there a time limit to clear the witnesses?

[limber lion]

Yes there is

[pearl steppe]

say i apply the mark

[limber lion]

It's 15s iirc

[pearl steppe]

ok

i see i see

[limber lion]

Or maybe even 20s

[slate crown]

It feels shorter to my brain wrinkles

But IDN

WA can show the duration left

[limber lion]

Yup

[unreal kayak]

would it be worth it to use radiant power enchant on queen mythic since its not pure st idk how to sim it

[limber lion]

No

It doesn't really make a difference

[muted ridge]

going aoe on mythic queen is bait

spec caustic for the sake of it and else full st

[subtle tundra]

Go radiant power

Everywhere

Only 2 fights that's worse on are sikran and kyveza and it's by a miniscule amount

Aoe is not useless on queen

Shackles have to die, platform adds are really important to kill asap so you don't get any unnecessary grip

[unreal kayak]

was thinking caustic would deal more dmg due to agi from enchant

[subtle tundra]

Just go radiant power and don't think about it

[coral ibex]

bro i just put radiant power on both weapons like 4 weeks ago and havent thought about it since

[subtle tundra]

The other enchant shouldn't be an option

[limber lion]

As long as you have something, it's super whatever

If you wanna spend the coin on those miniscule changes, go for it

[blazing warren]

Is it possible to get 0->5-7 Combo Points with a single Fan of Knives in AoE?

[slate crown]

yes

[hasty spade]

w

[mystic hollow]

Two questions from a braaaand new Assassin.

1. Do we use Crimson Tempest in ST? I assume no, but is it worth if you're going to KB?

2. Is it worth proccing Caustic Spatter on 2 or 3 mobs at once in bigger pulls? Or should I just focus my main target once I've spread bleeds?

[pearl steppe]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

I was just reading the AOE explainer at the bottom of this page

might help you as well

[limber lion]

1. No.

2. Always use Spatter in 2+ targets

Also, it doesn't really require you to go out of your way to do that

Spatter happens passively by you just slamming one target

[coral ibex]

you can't put spatter on more than one target

you put it on your priority target

and focus it

[mystic hollow]

This is what I was asking. Ty!

[limber lion]

Right

The tooltip again does specify it's 1 target only

[mystic hollow]

I missed that somehow

Hero shit ❤️

[limber lion]

:)

[mystic hollow]

I'm a warrior main so reading is hard

I have had that rotation page open on my phone and computer for 12 hours straight

About to start making flash cards lol

[limber lion]

Isn't that's what weakauras are basically?

:P

[normal mist]

You should start playing then

[mystic hollow]

Just hit 70 :p

[winged gust]

theres a weakaura to show the rotation?

[limber lion]

No

But you can use Hekili for that if you want to

[normal mist]

Hek-

[limber lion]

Not really recommended though

[mystic hollow]

Don't say that word. You'll summon them

[winged gust]

nah i learnt it the real way aka actually playing

[normal mist]

Odds

[dawn ingot]

what % of dps do you people lose if you dont get restealth?

or is this assa rog in my group just crying like a little baby over 1 or 2%

[normal mist]

Restealth feels good

[lavish geyser]

dont think it has much to do with % but perhaps qol

Like it sucks without it

it feels bad

[normal mist]

Restealth allows AoE dotting

aoE silence

It speeds us up

[lavish geyser]

if its aoe pulls I would say it makes a differene. Cause then he has to individually spread bleeds on mobs

[slender badger]

its not that much dps loss but the loss is more quality of life and to get all your dots out faster & iron wire silences casts @dawn ingot

[lavish geyser]

which slows him down aloooot

[warm vortex]

Bleed speed

Goes up from stealth
Ez

[crimson zephyr]

that god damn fucking shit trinket jesus christ >.<

[normal mist]

Eh

Doesn't really matter

Most of the damage is CT and Spatter

Most people use vanish to spread bleeds anyway and don't have it for DM on bosses (m+)

[lethal arrow]

royal no

not this again

[normal mist]

Oh

I only use one

I don't care anymore

I just pump

Shiv - kb

[pearl steppe]

Distract is useless right?

[normal mist]

You have 2 charges or just one?

[pearl steppe]

not worth having bound?

[normal mist]

Not really

I use it a Lot of times

The worse the party he more I use it

[pearl steppe]

like in that nerub area with the dotted circles on the ground?

[mint urchin]

There are a few very rare scenarios you can use it

[normal mist]

Shiv on the last 7 seconds of KB, then on CD, then again on the last 7 of KB

[pearl steppe]

must be yeah

since like was explained to me earlier kingsbane's damage is backloaded

[slate crown]

Distract is very niche but it's very good at that niche and I have had it bound since og classic and have used it every expansion to some extent or another. If you never had it bound and never used it, you probably wouldn't notice it, but it is genuinely unique utility that can see use .

doesn't really matter

you can do 8 or 7 seconds

shiv lasts 8

total shiv coverage is 16 seconds

kingsbane is 14

you have leeway to go +/- one gcd

7 is a fine option to cover the last tick

[normal mist]

I said 7 to be sure people don't mistime it

[slate crown]

yeah, it's fine either way

[normal mist]

She's the best

[vast patio]

any reason to mut over ambush in subt?

[normal mist]

You can get 4 cps with Mut, afaik better to apply poisons as well

(you can only get 3 max CP with ambush)

[vast patio]

Right.

[ebon prism]

hey guys, im doing like 5M dps in aoe but like.... 700-800k on bosses. why is our ST so sad in M+? lol

[normal mist]

Yes

[rare isle]

Because we talent ST away to be able to do 5M aoe

[molten flicker]

no reason

[late ravine]

It depends on ur gear, but u should be doing more, if you have good gear and TTK

[rare isle]

Question here, do this weeks affix orbs make CT hit harder? Or are they just props?

[normal mist]

Crimson tempest

[ebon prism]

rly? pure ST on bosses, how much would u do with bis gear and 630 ilvl

[molten flicker]

depends how many adds are around

if it's on a single target boss, yes it makes ct hit harder

[ebon prism]

well im not asking about CT, im the one asking about just pure ST on bosses in M+

i dont think u should be able to do more than 850k on a 12

[molten flicker]

yes, but the other guy was

you're not alone in this chat

[normal mist]

I use ct

Nop, target count + big numbers

Helps snapshot on bosses aswell

[molten flicker]

ct is not to kill orbs

[grim jay]

Idk like, if thats physically exhausting then that person potentially has other issues
I personally dont even have more inputs/minute on higher apm specs, because I'm spaming way over gcd either way

[molten flicker]

but to kill boss

[safe shale]

Play melee they said.
Consecration, Blizzard, Frozen orb, Earthquake, dungeon affix spawn, and damage number... hopefully i dodge a swirly

[grim jay]

Well your plater is a mess

Aswell

[safe shale]

Ill let atrocity know xd

[grim jay]

And you can lower spell effects of others

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah single target in dungeon build is really really really bad

just gotta live with it

[safe shale]

I cant seem to lower others effects without lowering my own

[grim jay]

Its not an atrocity thing, the spacing seems wrong for your screen and you need to disable useless debuffs yourself

[blazing warren]

In AoE when you dont have stealth access during downtime, do you put Garrote on anyone, like maybe main target, or do you rather just Rupture another target/refresh it?

[safe shale]

No its literally default imported

[grim jay]

Which effects of your own tho? Fok?

[grim jay]

Ye but atrocity doesnt manage your debuffs

And the spacing is a personal thing

[safe shale]

Spacing hasnt been changed

[grim jay]

Ye but it should get changed

[safe shale]

hmm

[grim jay]

Potentially even the height on your screen at which the bars start squishing

[coral ibex]

no way that's default atrocity unless ur leveling still

bc the spec weakaura doesnt look like that

[safe shale]

No, its literally imported and fresh download like a week ago xD

[coral ibex]

i mean

[lavish geyser]

what are those icons?

[coral ibex]

garrote rupture and ct are not in the right order

[safe shale]

the weak aura is irelvant xD

[coral ibex]

and half of the weakaura is gone

[grim jay]

We are talking about the plater

[safe shale]

F the weak auras im talkin the plater xD

[coral ibex]

yea im doubting anything about it is default

[safe shale]

the whole ui is Atr my own weak auras

doubt all you like, its a fresh install xD

Like no kap

Almost as default as it can get

[grim jay]

Play with the spacing and take deadly poison and spatter on the blacklist for debuffs
Add caustic coloring to the bar

[potent lance]

whats the 4th icon from left

[grim jay]

Shiv

[coral ibex]

toxic blade icon for shiv

[potent lance]

ah kk

[safe shale]

Ill give this a go, and seee,but not really familiar with colouring for caustic stuff

[grim jay]

Well personally I would just run whispyrs plater anyways

[lavish geyser]

🧑‍🍳

[safe shale]

Whispyrs set up for every mob in every dunegon? casters etc etc

?

[grim jay]

No, cev sometimes does that. But what do you need that for?

[safe shale]

Well thats what atrocities is for m+ is has different colours for certain mobs, eg, ones you gotta funnel, ones you gotta kick ,ones you should cc, prio

[grim jay]

So basically stuff thats useless after your 3rd run of the dungeon

[safe shale]

I mean nah but im not gonna argue that xD

[warm vortex]

Gonna try this build

if it goes wrong

i blame whispyr

He suggested it X)

It does look fun tho

[molten flicker]

no no

he didn't suggest it

[warm vortex]

I literally have proof

HE DIDN'T SAY EITHER OF THESE WERE GOOD
but he showed them
and we love him for it

[molten flicker]

yes, I remember

[lavish geyser]

for m´+?

[lethal arrow]

did u replace DM with vendetta lol

i do like the icon he uses for shiv tho

[warm vortex]

I mean

[grim jay]

Its just the old icon

[warm vortex]

it has carnage

[warm vortex]

and splatter

[keen spruce]

mine is vendetta

[warm vortex]

what else wouldi use it for X)

[keen spruce]

[warm vortex]

Hey

thats me

sorta

[sharp orchid]

Yo, anyone have rupture weak aura with tracking of the scent of blood?

[lavish geyser]

first glance I thought it was raid build

[lethal arrow]

nah this is ill

LOL

[grim jay]

and edit a garrote wire behind the "friends" neck, thats another peepo ability

[keen spruce]

i made a garrote one but it's hard to make it look good

[molten flicker]

no, ct is just damage

just read the ability

[safe shale]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[keen spruce]

I was gonna recolor this one for spatter

but i'm lazy

i still need a good rupture and garrote one

and tempest

[grim jay]

Its somewhat doable

Thats just a quick edit on the phone

Wdym one for warrior

[humble verge]

woudl you use spyglass over crystal in m+ tho

i was just looking for this comment

[molten fulcrum]

when do we start to get diminishing returns on mastery? (before anyone gives the sim answer, i know, just looking for when the wall usually is)

[warm vortex]

Bro envenom is keeping up with splatter dps percent wise

oml

both at 15 xd

[keen spruce]

yeah but the garrote is too small once it's scaled down

u can't really see it

[grim jay]

Cant you just make it more colorful and slightly wider

Probably not

[lavish geyser]

is this a solid opener for st in m+? I just do. ambush, 2x garrote, rupture, then mutilate up to envenom and then I just slam cds

[humble verge]

yes

[grim jay]

Why would you mutilate up to envenom

[humble verge]

on 5 targets

[grim jay]

And why dont you just follow the wowhead opener

[lavish geyser]

should I shuriken storm 1 target up to envenom

ct on st?

wth

[humble verge]

you dont really need to

gar twice

well

you can i guess

[grim jay]

I whoopsied

[humble verge]

kek

[keen spruce]

I made this one but it just looks like a hotdog when scaled down

[grim jay]

But you will wanna fok

Once

[lavish geyser]

I know the assa playstyle very well in m+ now. just the only thing I never looked up was the opener

so I just do the one I mentioned

[grim jay]

Unless you dont get ctw

[grim jay]

If you make the red brighter and the wire longer?

[lavish geyser]

ctw?

[grim jay]

Clear the witnesses

[lavish geyser]

oooh ok XD. I havent read the hero talents, i just play

XD

makes sense that you mentioned fok

[grim jay]

Ye you kinda always consume that procc

Since you dont have vicious venoms talented

[slate crown]

!wa the rupture aura in LE pack has stacks for scent on it, but it's a pretty easy thing to track just add the buff as an extra aura trigger

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[lavish geyser]

but, do you just wanna use it once after DM? I mean wouldnt it be worste to just not get 2x combo points instead?

[slate crown]

oo this one is good

[crimson zephyr]

god that drop rate of that trinket must be bugged or something jesus can't remember farming like that since classic feels like

[lavish geyser]

well its cause you want it. duh. you get it first try if you dont care abt it

[warm vortex]

This build