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Can you see in details how many mobs you silenced with garrote?
Either vanish ambush or have Darkest night ready
Hey got a question about kingsbane, when i send it, do i care about the combo points of my envoms or do i just wanna send so many as possible in the KB duration?
most high-cp envenoms you can do without wasting cp
5+, always
mark won't trigger off 4
Are there any M+ dungeons where Shrouding is expected?
High end peeps are running double vanish and no iron wire (per murlok). Is that a very high keys thing?
maybe mist the pack after the first pull
not even
you just sap
nvm
brainfart moment
still appreciated
I've seen casualaddict shroud at the beginning of ara-kara but that is very dangerous
@royal lantern ty buddy for the tips literally needed 30 min trying 🙂
what tips did you get
Sometimes people do shroud skip in siege or use shroud to do small skip in CoT
yo I have evergorged stabber with ascension embellishment (good?) now I am thinking of crafting wrist (rune branded armbands) and not sure which embelishment I should have? Thanks in advance
writhing banding
that combo works well for raid and m+? I though it was like raid embelishments
Both combos work well in everything
Embellishments are like 1% and not worth too much thought
writhing banding it is then thanks
Been running this build but my ST is trash, i'm assuming dropping Sanguine Blades will improve it but not sure where to put the point, Iron Wire or Sudden Demise are the options i guess?
Our single target is just very mid in keys
Why would dropping sanguine improve your ST?
One talent point isn’t gonna save you
You can check for yourself. If you do a Patchwerk sim for each talent choice you’re thinking of you can see the difference for yourself
The best ST build is the one that talents into twist and echo with two cps
And it’s still mid
In keys*
Is there a weakaura for clear the witness?
!tea
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
me when I see you across the hall
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is it even worth tracking Slice and Dice anymore
Across the hall 
No
does rogues have the lowest amount of HP or am i missing something?
is my sim accurate?
Im hearing that i should be doing alot more and that this is very low
we should have good survivability- feint, cloak, evasion
why are simming 3 min no raid buffs 
yyee but in general
hp itself is ofc lower than like a pally but shouldnt affect ur survivability
Also that’s m+ provided you have all tea stacks and all CDs the second you pull the boss
Which is often not the case
Also 0 mechanics to take you off the boss and 0 downtime
Like third boss of siege provided your tank doesn’t get silly
Sure
Even 3rd can force downtime
Depending on waves and boss placement
I don't think there is a single boss that doesn't cause some separation? Maybe mists first?
Oh maybe SV 1st
Yeah
But even then
Our st in m+ is low
Like that’s what it is
We’re mega burst class because we just don’t have energy that we do in raid because of dashing and ttk
I mean you can still do 1.2-1.4m with lust and decent comp. Assa ST will never prevent you from timing
But if it drags on or fight time ends before your next DM/KB yea it will feel bad
You’re not gonna just mega slam a boss
You will in the first 30sec! Then slowly watch yourself fall lol
BecYse if you’re doing 1.2-1.4 your teammates should be doing similar + unless it’s like
Mega scuffed
But yeah you burst
Then do tank damage for a bit. Mini burst.
Then tank.
Then burst again
I mean it also depends on what you are comparing it too
I don't think we are far behind say rets, surv, or war
!guide
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
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hey yall is like 1.1m-1.3m dps in M4 good
If i recorded my gameplay could someone watch and tell me what i do wrong? im 627 doing low dps
hard to say, really depends on your gear, route, tank pulls and so on
I'm 617 and I sometimes do 1.3m and sometimes 2.5m
im chiling at like 615 with like most of it being BIS idk if its good or not lmao
It's not bis if it's not max ilvl
oops welp thats not happening in awhile i think
hard to tell in low keys
do we use envenom at 5 cp unless we have darkest knight?
What keys should i use SD in
In any key
5+ CP yes
All of them if you want to
wait what level keys can i even do at 615 actually, ngl i havent even tried going above M5
thanks
I'm doing 10's just fine
How much of a damage increase is depths over radiant power in raid. Worth swapping in mythic prog?
Kk
!tricks
Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
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you fighting for your life first pull of mists
hey, unfortunately I can't find an exact answer to my question...
Does two [Blessed Weapon Grip] stack? Or how does the enchant behave?
Because Raidbots tells me that the exchange of my [Dawnthread Lining] to another [Blessed Weapon Grip] would be about 12k DPS plus... Can this be true or is this a bug in the sim?
Theres probably something else thats differing besides only those embellishments, like ilvl on any of the pieces
Feel free to link the sim
True
Should i bind tempeered pot to anything
dm
w
guys is there any bug with the assa weapon's durability? they seems to break at trice the speec compared to other pieces
hi rogues
No
!sheet
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Not really
Meant like macro it to DM
no, you're going to waste pots on nothing
No, you should not do that
Wait why not
Is there a way to make my CT lightup when its abt to fall?
yes add a glow under display and then add a condition to turn on the glow when the CT aura is < 3s or something
My guess is because you might not wanna send potion on cd with some random pack but it could be better to hold for a dm on a boss or line up with lust

yeah i fucked up now its perma glowing LOL
look at how the shiv aura works
it glows at a certain duration left on kingsbane
which is exactly what you want the CT aura to do
is there not a package that predoes this
Yeah you have it for garrote and ruptute
Hello, does it make sense to craft a second dagger or rather hope for an M+ drop? I don't have the option to play in the Mythic Raid
No offhand dagger doesn’t give you much damage at all
So would you rather craft wrists or shoes at max?
you should sim which is a better upgrade for you
you mean which of the two items gives me a bigger upgrade right?
yes
ok ty guys
Yeah wrist and boots are fine, ring is a good option too
Ring is best if you are woke to the all of the totally intended game mechanics
Not sure what you mean, i just accidently put in the wrong missive
I have a dagger at 636 and wrists and belt at 619. I could now upgrade an item to 636

honestly once I get my portals I might just like
nope out of this season
aotc too
the dungeons are just so bad
the only two I enjoy are mists and dawnbreaker
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aaay
well.
radiant power for enchant for m plus isnt it?
affirmative
still using this thing lmao
only hc/mythic transmitter and mythic skardyns sim better than it lmao
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Sorry, noobish question. I've read the guides. They say what poisons to use. But how do I know which is applying to what?
It seems as though I can apply 3. And I can apply all lethal poisons?
Just confusing. Just jumped in from Classic.
You can apply 2 lethal, 2 non lethal
(when spec'd into dragon tempered blades)
!poison
You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:
Lethals:
- Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
Non-Lethals: - Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB
Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used
Hi, new to rogue, doing ok I think, but I have a couple of questions. My kingsbane dmg is quite low, are there any tips for that? If I only have 1 stack of shiv should I use it with 8-9s left on KB or at the start. Also sometimes when it comes back up the second time in a fight i'm energy starved.
That is my second question, is it normal to be that energy starved in a prolonged fight? Sometimes when the fight drags on I'm just auto attacking for ages.
!design
Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.
- No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
- 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
- You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target
Yeah shiv in the second half of kingsbane
my st has been pretty not great. what should you be doing when envenom is already applied
More envenoms
ST in dungeon build is always gonna be poo
yeah its kinda sad to be one of the highest st in raid but terrible in mythic lol
If you have twist the knife, you want 2 stacks of envenom so you are gonna be using it a lot more
anyone know a simple WA that shows me the % of energy bar left so i can try and watch thistle tea timing
is there a way to alter a weak arua to show when 2 stacks are applied?
double ascension was never the play but i’m going to assume you mean ascension+banding and yes that’s fine in raid
ascension bad in m+
but both don’t really matter
embellishments suck
!craft
Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime
Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
I think whispyr’s afenar edit might show ttk stacks
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When applying multiple stacks of garrote/rupture during indiscriminate carnage in a big pull, should you swap targets to "spread" the dots, or will spamming it on the same target auto disperse it to enemies that do not already have the bleed applied?
!carnage
Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required
- The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
- You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets
Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.
It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.
i have question
is spyglass used for raid and other trinket used for m+ like sacbrood and anub?
scrolling through the top dogs
Wasnt alot of people running that like a week or two ago
out of the top rogues in m+?
They are all quite close
The standalone one in LE collection shows you the duration of each stack independently (because they have their own timers).
To answer your specific question you can modify a weak aura to show when 2 stacks are applied just by using a stacks text (%s) that you create on the display page. To show the independent timers, though, you one of the custom auras above
@north narwhal here are the trinket sims for my character in 636 gear
"breadgetter" is using a 639 sacbrood
yeah because it’s shit in m+
but also who cares
stop looking at top players for builds
wow they are really close big diff from ww ty guys!
just sim them
i dont have so wonder what to farm
The WA packs have energy bars in them, mine has a tick that shows where the tea usage threshold is that shows up when you shiv.
Or, to answer your specific question, you can make a very simple one with a trigger of Unit Info -> Power -> Player -> Energy, then make a text object (OR have the aura just be a text aura) with %1.percentpower
good to get opinions though 🙂
you rock
whats the best trinkets for the raid rn? sims show scardin < transmitter tho
nothing has changed there
both are fine
transmitter better but minigame annoying/hard
run one of the 2 + a passive
gotcha thanks
another question, is it ok to play assa with high vers? ive got 40% mastery, 20%vers, 16%crit and 10% haste. will this make my dmg miserable
what if the random guy is Quake?
naw vers isn't bad at all
why?
because its a very stupid thing to do with 0 context at all
like, 1 of the worst things you can do
but if the majority of the top players are running the same or similar stuff
sure but you should use a combination of things
you have no idea why anything is taken and what the situation/thought process is, and the fact that its a entirely different enviorment
they arent, they swap multiple points based on dungeon, comp and key level
then your shity +10weekly keys
and if you dont know that youre just baiting yourself
^
when you look exclusively at top players builds it makes you come in here and ask silly things like if you should do ascension + lining ever
and the answer is no
if you’re doing m+ you do double lining
there is no argument for anything else other than top players literally just getting bored and switching things for fun
like, just cause casual doesnt play IW in Mist +48 in a fullcomp with voicechat that tries the dungeon 80x allready with that comp doesnt mean that you should drop IW in a +10 Necrotic Wake
just as an example

why don’t we talk about cool things like uh
uhhhhh
ARMADILLOS
think theres multiple
you're telling me
i will walk again soon tonight
LOL yeah
holy shit
wild animals can be some real shit man
scared tf outta me
took a walk in the woods a couple years ago and a Boar came out of nowhere
legit scared as fuck and ran away as quick as possibld
catmadillo
me running straight into a frontal^
in single target opener, is there a reason why we use fan of knives once?
^
stupid question and Im sorry in advance for asking, but is there a weakaura for the shitty transmitter?
@lethal arrow he literally asked me like an hour ago if i actually got the enchants and upgrades 😭 💀 😭
"waiting for the mail from you with them boss"
hahahahahaha
kill him
best way to sim rogues for AOE its 1 min 5 targets?
im glad hes not in this discord
for m+?
ahh ic thanks
!tricks
Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
yes
dslice
okk thanks!
is outlaw ST popping off?
can anyone help? still struggling with ST in higher keys with subterfuge. any tips?
it’s alright
good damage when u have infinite uptime
not very good when you don’t
nothing new
play enhance
lmao. play w/ ST pumpers ig
ye idk m+ st is still just fried
!tea
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
in a heroic ansurek rn, is deathstalker's mark not applying off of initial ambush a common bug?
you got parried
is it me or are we always low on energy on boss fights in m+? ;-;
Intended design
Yes that is how the spec works
i feel like this discord is so un organized. like make a channel for the cool iformation messages by the owners. and a questions and help channel and a discussion
faq channels with informational posts, discussion/help channels...

what did he mean by this
trolling
this is a question and discussion channel
Cool information messages come in the form of channel pins. The spec channels are for discussions and questions and help for that particular spec. Hope this helps 

Peck the Chins
yes
thats a good idea
I'm not used to ogcd feint at all but I love it.
I mean like
I get the idea of
“Oh you’re not ready for this key level yet”
But what good has it done players?
I havent heard testimony from players who are encouraged to run keys after a deplete
It just sucks the energy out of you
we never simmed many targets patchwreck short time
Anyone know what causes the mistveil bite from the stalkers in the mist maze
to sometimes hit your for like 6.4m
on application
and other times just apply the bleed and not do up front damage?
it's a leap/charge thing right? does it activate if you're in melee range on the onset? all I could think of
hey guys, need some advice .. i made a 636 dagger cause i had a really bad wep and needed something to hold me over... i now have a lil over 90 crests and debating on crafting a piece of gear for the crit embellishment or should i upgrade my gear?
I am newer to rogue, but I would say get the two embelishments going.
So has anyone else used the orbs that show up to get out a high Crimson Tempest onto the boss or a smaller group? Debating if it is worth it in a boss pull. I have only been playing rogue for about 2 weeks.
embelishments arent rly impactful but if u dont have them should definitely go for them,its a gain nonetheless.And yes dawnthread x2
Ok for the record ... trying to do the transmitter minigame on queen is bullshit
i swear the fuckin "stand for 3 seconds" spawned in acid every fuckin time

usually i see deathstalker's mark there
that’ll show up if you target an enemy i think 
lucky day for stabbymoose, won Umbriss Band and Emergency Keychain in back to back runs
I hate that I have champion queen ring and it sims higher than every other ring I can get unless I get lucky in vault or once a week on heroic queen
u should feel lucky u got a queen ring
Nah I don’t I feel unwanted after the heroic queen ring went to a hunter that is bottom of dps charts on all fights and I’m always at the top.
Yeaaa I know
It only sims a little over 1k higher than the Umbris ring I have
So myth ring probably still a side grade
whatever the numbers say fam
And I still can’t get skardyns and it’s driving me fucking nuts
I haven’t even seen it drop
same here,been doing GBs since launch,no skadryns at all
seen it drop twice but thats for teasing
I feel your pain brother I feel your pain
Still not sure what I’m screwing up rotation wise. I’m like 400k below 90+ parses
That’s a lot of dmg that can’t be from gear
Side question… anyone know a good way to deal with back spasms? I went a little hard at the gym last week and now it feels like those muscles won’t heal
And yes it’s the muscles not the spine I’m in my late forties I know the difference
does 2 points subterfuge add dps? or is it mostly for like.... iron wire / silence stuff
It extends Master Assassin
So yes, it adds dps if you have MA
something that a trained specialist could answer,not a gaming discord channel
ok ty! that makes sense
and with 2 points, i vanish at 12 seconds before KB ends right?
Yes

Where in the back?
ok last question. im cheap and i do the kobold wax. is the weightstone much better, noticeable dps increase?
in M+
considering they are both worth less than 1% dps, no
sweet, now i can be cheap with no guilt
Doesn't that mean he needs the ring more?
If you are already doing good then he needs more help
You should do one of each ideally
i mean yea if u already had normal ring then the track upgrade is kinda cosmetic for overall raid dps

Do tea while shiv is up and u're low on energy
That will mostly happen on ST, in AoE you can send i believe
Since you will never run out of energy
Guys, one question for mythic raiding: on short fights, (sub 5 min) do you pot on pull (lust) or execute
That's exactly my doubt
Execute is big for assa, so just wondering what people do
Does our execute add 10% dmg to envenom or just bleeds and poison ticks?
Hmm
Pretty sure Envenom is just Nature damage and not classified as poison
Not sure how that works I just know I take the talent cause it’s strong
btw how meticulous are you guys with using envenom when below 7 combo points
is it fine to use it at like 5/6?
Yes, you finish on 5+. That's the rule, if you're at 5 or above, you finish
(Except for Darkest Night)
"poisons" = nature
weightstone on MH and wax on offhand? or u mean... they stack? can do weightstone + wax on both weapons?
You can do 2 whetstones, but not 2 waxes
ty
also sometimes when i rupture i suddenly get like 6 combo points out of nowhere
anyone know where thats from
it's not always
sometimes it tricks me into thinking my rupture didnt go off
Aerated bone spike in aoe
holy shit our bone spikes are aerated
Envenom counts as a poison
sorry for dumb question. what do you mean 2 whetstones but not 2 waxes? 2 whetstones on each dagger? cuz u can def do 2 waxes, one on each dagger
ok so after 90s the first person ijump with rupture
will give me 4 points from bone spike?
1 + 3 spikes?
is there a macro that if ambush is available i use that instead of mutilate? like for subterfuge windows
!wax
- Can be pickpocketed from kobolds in e.g. The Ringing Deeps. (needs The Final Candle questline completed.)
- Only use it on one weapon. (does not stack)
u have to do the quest first. takes 10 min max
I think you can do this with the stance bar and just put ambush in the spot where mutilate is
You can do 2 waxes but they provide no benefit past the first one
if it's available it will stay on top of mutilate on the smae button
/cast [stance] Ambush; Mutilate I think should work
not in subterfuge windows thats for blindside
So ideally you wax one weapon and whetstone the other
thank you!
When you kill a mob you get it back, the reason you get so many cp back is if you are IC applying 3 ruptures you send out all 3 bone spikes
WHAT! i only have to use 1 wax on 1 weapon and thats it? 2nd one doesnt do anything?
something like that, it has charges and if you have charges available when you rupture the CP you gain will be based on how many other spikes are out, it starts with only 2 point refund
Yes
or is 5+ considered max
If you have that buff up
ah ok
makes sense yeah just checking
7+ as you can theoretically get more with supercharger
Which also means you can finish at 5cp and it counts as 7
Blindside changes mutilate into ambush
It’s not even hidden bars, the proc makes mhtilate be ambush
Yes but I don't do this because it's fine to ignore and it only makes things more complicated. If you're tracking it and want to do it, go for it
Only when you have the proc, keep in mind, it does not make mutilate from stealth ambush
Just a time saver for buffs really, and does it technically not count as wasted cp if you generate on 6
There’s a vent in the inn is what I recall
Dude look at this fucking goofy goober jumping
He's doing his best!
I know I love him
hes a fat fuck
what take prio 7cb envenom to refresh marks from darkest knight or refresh rupture if its about to fall off and got caught out not refreshing sooner
DN is prio over rupture
feels weird and bad but it’s true

I like his rp walk
the fucking car?
what fucking car
i have a drivers license
youre fucking with me
no
can i get a dacia
is DN prio over rupture in opener subterfuge window also since I want to get ruptures out while in my stealth window
they announced it in the anniversary direct thing
im romanian 🇷🇴
you get like a goblin car and u can drift and shit
needs to be a dacia
uhhh i think you still ambush first gcd even with subterfuge so yeah
oh wait
dn
i’m stupid
uhh no
I mean if I have DN. Between packs p
yeah that feels natural, thank you
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Does anyone know if heroic transmitter is better than "heroic" passive trinkets? Got a mythic skardyns but saw Casual running double on use to have an on use for KB's too. Sims lower but thought maybe the sim does something wrong?
i'm guessing his is myth, not hero
it's probably lack of options, not out of choice
he is probably waiting for a myth crystal/ara from vault
@blazing pumice i hate your discord pic, i just socked my monitor
you owe me new one
lmao that shit look real asf
Guys I really struggle with single target dmg in m+
should i craft weapon or upgrade gear
Just checking if maybe I was doing something wrong
But yeah I'm giga energy starved and I can't maintain envenom
If you don’t have access to myth track daggers, craft a dagger for your mainhand, then/otherwise upgrade stuff
That’s by design
What rogue wa do you guys use ?
@balmy condor would like to hear your take on this
In theory I guess execute if you know it’s lining up
hey guys
we apply bubbling wax to offhand or mainhand?
that's a bit cringe, won't bubbling be bis eventually
wait, scales with ilvl?
didnt knew that one lol
This big dude in NW, does evasion work on Chill scythe?
rip
velf blink angle 
Hello all
isn’t there a big yellow warning above the sim rotation that says not to use it as a guide
but anyways
idunno mayb
probably just doesn’t matter that much
Another day to discover how people in pug keys are smart compared to people who I have to deal with at work
in the case of sending shiv last 8 or first 8 i don’t think it really changes anything that matters no
like the value of each stat and shit like that
it no matta
It’s one of those things where it’s like
Sending it last 8 seconds it’s just more damage so why not do it
Ye
Like i don’t know why the sim doesn’t do it but i don’t think it matters to your gearing that it doesn’t
since
well
u shouldn’t be gearing for m+ st anyway
but
if you are i don’t think it’ll change anything ever
in a top gear sim
Tbf I feel like running the same set for both is aight
Ofc use top gear to see what you have better
no
But like
by top gear i mean the sim option top gear
For ST and AoE I just swap my neck
my point is
i would guess it just doesn’t really matter for like what u actually use sims for
can you even change gear in m+
guys, can assa use any cd during preparation in m+? some ppl say you can have SnD up
u dont need snd precasted
you can pre pot that's about it
its embodied when u press envenom to activate and extend by itself now
might as well remove it from ur bars
pots dont rly worth it,unless u are into highkey pushing
ofc
i get combo points for snd if theres a critter to kill because why not
but it literally doesnt matter yeah
i do it for happiness
and adhd
filler
the 2 seconds of uptime doesnt matter
anyone have squish issues? do i need to get more vers? im getting 1 shot in 12's at 622 ilvl
use feint
"vers to stay alive" is bigtime cope 99% of the time
you are most prob below 6M that hurts
even through feint the man has somehting like 5.6mil hp
if not less
5.6m
with 5.6m, im sure that the Siege endboss on a +12 just 1hit kills you trought feint
no shot
yes shot
my DK dies to nothing 💔
there is not a single undodge able mechanic that oneshots on 12
im not the best mage thats for sure
DK is also broken as fuck
ofc it doesnt die lol
if you play rogue and skill elusivness and then feint, you have 20% dr while feint is active
DK has 20%dr all the time

ams is balanced
totally understand just feel like its really cluttered. there no chance in hell you can find your message from a day a go right, ik you can search but still. evryone here is nice though ❤️
will of the necropolis needs to be deleted
that talent is so stupid
and the grip talent that does those weird 40yard pulls
those two are cringe AF
idk any class that can do that
well mage can but dk is melee
Is Dslice good to sim assa in dungeons?
I used to drop worn doll and FoK twice to get SnD rolling before pull in dragonflight lol, saved one spender in opener
is it normal that i get 800k dps vs single target bosses on m+?
feels so weak compared to AoE dmg
635
our st in m+ does just kinda suck
but i have high vers
and this is my talent page
mastery stack is like the opposite of outlaw gear
i mean, i feel really good doing AoEs but ST feels just so wrong
but yes
i must be doing something wrong
not necessarily
sin m+ st is actually just very mid
hmm ok
idk this is my stat distribution at 632
stats really just dont matter that much
ye not for st
yes
the 2 big buffs we got that made our st damage go from dogshit to good
one of them p much exclusively affected raid
Stats rly don’t be mattering it’s how you play, you’re probably doing your rotation wrong on ST and that’s causing your boss damage to be on the lower side… if you feel like you have plenty of aoe damage drop sudden demise and spec into twist the knife
TTK also not too bad for AoE/Cleave with caustic
since they got rid of tyrannical st isn't as important
wouldn't worry too much about it
isnt ST rotation just all about keeping rupture/garrote up and spamming evenom?
besides kingsbane rotation
Very true, rather do 8m in aoe than nerf that to get +80k ST
Wdym they got rid of tyrannical?
no
you dont spam envenom
you maintain envenom
press it for the buff

i thought this was the assa version of evis
"tyrannical is there", but so is fort
it kinda is but it also has a buff on it
so it's basically neutral
most of the value of envenom is in its instant damage
but its still bad to waste buff uptime
wait so whats the rotation for ST on mythic build
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yea
mutilate - mutilate - evenom but do i just keep this rotation slow?
i mean youre most of the way there in that its just
bleeds top prio then envenom when you have nothing else to do
but you dont mash envenom
you should be tracking the buff probably
that looks good together, sad it doesn't sim well D:
oh ok didn't know
that trinket is ass
hello guys ! I'm searching for a WA for Garottes target tracker , for the number of garottes on a pack of trash
no point
Does anyone know if I can still get this appearance?
yes
but I gotta complete a current 15 key?
I am simply asking, I don't know
no worries just faking around i am curious aswell
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u could try and run a quick +5 and see if it works
i believe its ... a +15
what target do i need to make sure im castic spatter in packs please?
saw people complaining on reddit
the one with the biggest health pool
or just "choose 1"
look them in the eyes and say "i hate you more" and fuck him up
thanks mate ❤️
the only problem about switching caustic spatter target, is if you ambush target 1 (now has deathstalker's mark) and then decide to attack target 2
so be sure you're focusing the DSM target
Spatter the one with deathmark
Is is actually a problem to not be targeting ur DSM tho u only lose dmg from Hunt them down and it allows u to spread funnel on two targets or am i missing something but yeah if there is only 1 high HP mob then spatter on DSM
Usually a prio target
You are not triggering deathmark
So you are losing damage
Hi guys I have a very dumb question, do you guys play around momentum ? Like is it a huge benefit overall ?
Cause I have this overall (+12 NW) 1M6 but feels like I'm missing dps
wdym
like momentum of despair? no you just ignore it its a passive
you just use FoK on 2+ targets
Hmmm
not really much else to say
how da hell do i get in a better guild without any xp in previous tiers 
that and with clear the witnesesses
I'm 629 ilvl and do 1M6 isn't like bad ? 🤔
you join any guild that will take you, use them to get xp
i mean thats what im doing
just feels a bit shit
depends on key, but it's not awful yet neither is it good

i guess itll be better when its goblin time
but for the next few months
im just
suffering
Was on Necrotik wake 🤔
Hmm
that number means nothing
even on nw
remember ct snapshots
if tank is pulling like a bitch
pretty much this
comp and tank skill / route
decide all of ur dps
m+ overall is pretty fake
its a fun number for dopamine but
Im assuming the tank pulls normally
unless its like INSANELY low
theres a lot of small things that can make it vary a lot
I would say nw is a 2m+ kinda key
ok but
your tank can have the standard route
my cds go into the void
for sure, tanks can just curse ur dps
overall is fake news
it indicates more than anything how someone's playing aoe pack damage
Because like, on the last boss for example I'm at 719k dps
fun fact
p much this lol
deathstalker makes it so disgustingly aids
shame that fatebound isn't really playable
but once you get that buff
Oh wait, how much times do you guys vanish in the key ?
Nah
Deathstalker is just so awful
That anything else seems cracked in comparison
RUP > GAR > MUT > ENV > MUT > ENV > MUT > ENV > MUT > ENV > MUT > ENV > MUT > ENV > MUT > ENV > MUT > ENV > MUT > ENV > RUP > GAR
Sub is 10000x times better on that boss
tbh having a 630+ alt really puts into perspective how shit sin is at bosses
consistently AT MINIMUM 1.1 as sv
fatebound so chill compared to deathstalker
meanwhile if i hit 1.1 as sin im happy
been considering just playing queen out as fb tbh
p1 dmg is largely identical
it sims higher for me on st too
I did almost 1.4 as sub 
yea would be
my best boss dps as sv was 1.57 on 1st boss GB in a 10
I've worked on your profile picture xD
the god pull rng-wise
I meant last boss nw specifically
But ye assa boss dps is stinky
Sub is playing pretty much the raid spec in keys
i'd imagine sub was better at nw last boss pre-removal of dust
So boss damage is absolutely insane
The buff is only 40s
Yep I'm an AI PhD and I worked at an AI that could transform a painting into a 3D scene that could provide a fun interaction using it for multiple task
So you wouldnt be able to get 2x cds anyway
yeah im saying
you would double vanish the 1 set of cds you do get
after coming up
How much do you guys vanish in a dungeon ? like 10 times ?
The only thing in the current season that sub got worse at after dust removal is silken
Because 12s burst windows is a bit too tight to fit your second sectech into now, you need like 13-14s
mostly on bosses but sometimes on trash if things interupts are getting wild
like a gb pull or smt
Sub in general is really good in keys, just very slightly worse than assa. If assa takes like a 3% or 5% nerf sub is probably better
whats harder to play perf
if ur good at sub u mighjt do better than sin if its only a small diff
sin being fotm and all
sub isn't actually difficult imo
lotsa boostie boys
its kinda funny
cus like
rogue "hero" tree are still are 3 hot garbage
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but that got once again (ofc like always) pushed aside cus "lol i do high dmg"
🙂
wow players are legit so predictable
I specifically meant from NW last boss
i meant in general 
but ye, assa + nw last boss =stinky
and deathbound = even more stinky there
i hope something in 11.1 puts deathstalker 2nd to flip
Hmm quick question guys, it says that, vanish is used to prepare our burst windows ( for improved garrot ) but did there's a problem if like everytime I don't need vanish ? Like I feels like my burst windows basically cames from my opener ? 🤔
macro coldblood to kingsbane
and have huge dps differences bettwen pulls because "LOL RNG XDDDDDDD"
wait, isnt the heroi talent Envenom tho?
with cold blood
where it only works with cold blood
or was i just mis reading it when i read it while leveling
cb and kb have the same cd
Yes it’s only envenom, but you don’t want to CB the stater envenom
and kb = shiv = you use envenom more often
i have a genius idea for 12.0
they fuse hero talents
its 45sec but the cd only starts when both charges are used up, which makes it more like 55sec
"your ambush has a 50% chance to apply deathstalkers mark"
For raider io do i need the addon to have my main score showed or do i need the app
ik very assa related question
(i am joking)
and 50% to remove mark, if applied by previous procs
oh, thats evil
imagine you dont get it from stealth, and then you vanish and ambush again and dont get it AND then vanish AGAIN, and still dont get it
you mark a character on the r.io website as main and link the alts, thats it
but the alts need a minumum score to show at all
you can update your char on the website
like 300 or smth
If you have 300 concentration, you proc it at 100%
2.2K alt
hire this man
facts, best thinking right there
but dw, sub can apply it 7 times over itself
and its evis do 1400% increased damage because of darkest night
i spend 500 concentration for a guildie 2 days ago or so to create a tool
tbh current deathstalker
Anyone managed to remove everything from LE's EXCEPT the Indiscriminate carnage bar? I try to just keep that one but cant get it to work
But yea
i am happy to leave this very well designed hero talent option to the lovely assassination spec
just want the rio addon to show main score
makes it easier for alots
Still isnt showing
also havce the newest version of the addon and marked my main as main on rio
i assume sub is playing deathstalker
or are they playing trickster
takes a few days
go to the website and resycn for tomorrow daily update
we play trickster 
sick
is sub still pressing black powder on ST for trickster
no
oh god
maybe
maybe its not shit anymore
its fun
bruh wtf
kinda yeha
it was lke 0.3% dps
when you had coup ready but didnt want to waste it, you used black powder
to delay your coup proc
That fucking sucks lmao
ahhh
for flag/dance
the amount of transmitters and sub gear iv passed on i just cant
Promise it's fun now you should give it a try 
how tf does coup even work
no
i try it again when they actually give a fuck about sub in general
but it felt like i was doing it correctly
see once you get to 4 stacks, you press eviscerate and it finds the nearest fire it can slam you into 
Any idea why iyt takes a few days
if you have 4 stacks of unseen blades, your icon of evis changes and if you use it it will do more damage
also charge you to the target if you are too far away
which can be fun on bosses like queen
when you suddenly stand in a web
because of it
imagine during the shield
you do that
and charges you into the circle
i watched Exile do alot of prog on it
and I dont think I saw that happen
but I think he was playing Deathstalker
was he
ahhh
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yo im new to rogue, when does this happens ? is it rng or when you apply a new mark
Can someone help me explain how i can remove CB bar and energy bar, but keep top bar? I know basicly nothing about WA's 😛
Each spec plays its designated hero talent tree 
Is anyone else getting the issue where on pull, a melee hits before ambush and results in deathstalker's mark not proccing? Was happening a bunch during raid last night and wanted to see if any of yall had any workarounds or if it's just a me problem lol
Like how fatebound is clearly more suited towards outlaw, trickster is clearly more suited towards sub and deathstalker fits way better for assa than sub
Dont right click the boss ig
except that fatebound allready does better on some fights for assa

so everytime it expires i apply max combo point greeen spell whateveer name it is and i throw blades
fucking coinflips
got a 99 on heroic court cus i played FB for the memes
and just did 300k more dmg then i did on my 2nd best kill
cus rng was good
fuck that tree
First do this
then
then


