#assassination

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crimson nova
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is there a reason when you sim that it puts certain gems on certain slots?

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they would appear to do the same thing anywhere

latent ruin
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Can you see in details how many mobs you silenced with garrote?

gloomy hinge
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How do i transfer deathstalkers mark?

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like on first boss of mists

normal mist
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Either vanish ambush or have Darkest night ready

neon lava
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Hey got a question about kingsbane, when i send it, do i care about the combo points of my envoms or do i just wanna send so many as possible in the KB duration?

vast patio
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most high-cp envenoms you can do without wasting cp

neon lava
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Ill always wanna do ATLEAST 4+ right?

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ah shit i thought it was 4+

vast patio
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mark won't trigger off 4

neon lava
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wait thats true

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THanks alot!

fast folio
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Are there any M+ dungeons where Shrouding is expected?

gray raven
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High end peeps are running double vanish and no iron wire (per murlok). Is that a very high keys thing?

stray adder
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not even

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you just sap

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nvm

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brainfart moment

fast folio
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still appreciated

stray adder
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I've seen casualaddict shroud at the beginning of ara-kara but that is very dangerous

lyric grail
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@royal lantern ty buddy for the tips literally needed 30 min trying 🙂

mint urchin
split sandal
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yo I have evergorged stabber with ascension embellishment (good?) now I am thinking of crafting wrist (rune branded armbands) and not sure which embelishment I should have? Thanks in advance

tired gull
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writhing banding

split sandal
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that combo works well for raid and m+? I though it was like raid embelishments

mint urchin
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Both combos work well in everything

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Embellishments are like 1% and not worth too much thought

split sandal
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writhing banding it is then thanks

solid palm
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Been running this build but my ST is trash, i'm assuming dropping Sanguine Blades will improve it but not sure where to put the point, Iron Wire or Sudden Demise are the options i guess?

runic hinge
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Our single target is just very mid in keys

mint urchin
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Why would dropping sanguine improve your ST?

runic hinge
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One talent point isn’t gonna save you

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You can check for yourself. If you do a Patchwerk sim for each talent choice you’re thinking of you can see the difference for yourself

uneven plume
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The best ST build is the one that talents into twist and echo with two cps

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And it’s still mid

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In keys*

gloomy hinge
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Is there a weakaura for clear the witness?

gloomy hinge
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!tea

prisma monolithBOT
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Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
slate crown
slate crown
prisma monolithBOT
viscid parcel
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is it even worth tracking Slice and Dice anymore

spice spire
thorn slate
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does rogues have the lowest amount of HP or am i missing something?

gloomy hinge
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is my sim accurate?

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Im hearing that i should be doing alot more and that this is very low

late kestrel
woeful meteor
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why are simming 3 min no raid buffs sus

spice spire
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That’s m+ build bud

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@ both above

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But

thorn slate
late kestrel
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hp itself is ofc lower than like a pally but shouldnt affect ur survivability

spice spire
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Also that’s m+ provided you have all tea stacks and all CDs the second you pull the boss

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Which is often not the case

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Also 0 mechanics to take you off the boss and 0 downtime

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Like third boss of siege provided your tank doesn’t get silly

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Sure

mint urchin
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Even 3rd can force downtime

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Depending on waves and boss placement

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I don't think there is a single boss that doesn't cause some separation? Maybe mists first?

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Oh maybe SV 1st

spice spire
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Yeah

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But even then

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Our st in m+ is low

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Like that’s what it is

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We’re mega burst class because we just don’t have energy that we do in raid because of dashing and ttk

mint urchin
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I mean you can still do 1.2-1.4m with lust and decent comp. Assa ST will never prevent you from timing

spice spire
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Ye

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But

mint urchin
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But if it drags on or fight time ends before your next DM/KB yea it will feel bad

spice spire
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You’re not gonna just mega slam a boss

mint urchin
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You will in the first 30sec! Then slowly watch yourself fall lol

spice spire
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BecYse if you’re doing 1.2-1.4 your teammates should be doing similar + unless it’s like

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Mega scuffed

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But yeah you burst

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Then do tank damage for a bit. Mini burst.
Then tank.
Then burst again

mint urchin
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I mean it also depends on what you are comparing it too

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I don't think we are far behind say rets, surv, or war

latent ruin
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!guide

winged gust
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hey yall is like 1.1m-1.3m dps in M4 good

gloomy heart
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If i recorded my gameplay could someone watch and tell me what i do wrong? im 627 doing low dps

limber lion
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I'm 617 and I sometimes do 1.3m and sometimes 2.5m

winged gust
limber lion
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It's not bis if it's not max ilvl

winged gust
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oops welp thats not happening in awhile i think

lethal arrow
grim plover
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do we use envenom at 5 cp unless we have darkest knight?

gloomy heart
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What keys should i use SD in

limber lion
limber lion
winged gust
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wait what level keys can i even do at 615 actually, ngl i havent even tried going above M5

grim plover
winged gust
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oh dayum

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ty

stark scroll
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How much of a damage increase is depths over radiant power in raid. Worth swapping in mythic prog?

limber lion
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No

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Very very minimal

stark scroll
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Kk

molten flicker
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!tricks

prisma monolithBOT
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Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
gloomy heart
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
ember mural
harsh stream
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hey, unfortunately I can't find an exact answer to my question...

Does two [Blessed Weapon Grip] stack? Or how does the enchant behave?

Because Raidbots tells me that the exchange of my [Dawnthread Lining] to another [Blessed Weapon Grip] would be about 12k DPS plus... Can this be true or is this a bug in the sim?

spice surge
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Theres probably something else thats differing besides only those embellishments, like ilvl on any of the pieces

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Feel free to link the sim

spice spire
gloomy heart
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Should i bind tempeered pot to anything

novel star
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dm

molten flicker
smoky helm
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guys is there any bug with the assa weapon's durability? they seems to break at trice the speec compared to other pieces

quasi stump
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hi rogues

half igloo
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!sheet

prisma monolithBOT
limber lion
gloomy heart
blazing pumice
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no, you're going to waste pots on nothing

limber lion
cobalt sphinx
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Wait why not

gloomy heart
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Is there a way to make my CT lightup when its abt to fall?

coral ibex
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yes add a glow under display and then add a condition to turn on the glow when the CT aura is < 3s or something

runic hinge
# cobalt sphinx Wait why not

My guess is because you might not wanna send potion on cd with some random pack but it could be better to hold for a dm on a boss or line up with lust

spice spire
gloomy heart
coral ibex
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look at how the shiv aura works

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it glows at a certain duration left on kingsbane

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which is exactly what you want the CT aura to do

gloomy heart
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is there not a package that predoes this

cobalt sphinx
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Yeah you have it for garrote and ruptute

radiant hawk
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Hello, does it make sense to craft a second dagger or rather hope for an M+ drop? I don't have the option to play in the Mythic Raid

cobalt sphinx
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No offhand dagger doesn’t give you much damage at all

radiant hawk
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So would you rather craft wrists or shoes at max?

coral ibex
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you should sim which is a better upgrade for you

radiant hawk
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you mean which of the two items gives me a bigger upgrade right?

coral ibex
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yes

radiant hawk
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ok ty guys

cobalt sphinx
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Yeah wrist and boots are fine, ring is a good option too

coral ibex
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i went wrist/belt personally bc they were my lowest

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plus a dagger

cobalt sphinx
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Ring is best if you are woke to the all of the totally intended game mechanics

spice surge
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Not sure what you mean, i just accidently put in the wrong missive

radiant hawk
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I have a dagger at 636 and wrists and belt at 619. I could now upgrade an item to 636

quasi stump
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Sludge1Sludge2 honestly once I get my portals I might just like

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nope out of this season

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aotc too

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the dungeons are just so bad

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the only two I enjoy are mists and dawnbreaker

pine cave
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!WA

prisma monolithBOT
pine cave
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!plater

prisma monolithBOT
humble verge
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lmao

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2nd key i boost and i get this lol

soft shale
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aaay

humble verge
gloomy heart
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we love ot see it

reef axle
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radiant power for enchant for m plus isnt it?

cobalt sphinx
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affirmative

icy acorn
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still using this thing lmao

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only hc/mythic transmitter and mythic skardyns sim better than it lmao

desert raptor
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
supple gate
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Sorry, noobish question. I've read the guides. They say what poisons to use. But how do I know which is applying to what?

It seems as though I can apply 3. And I can apply all lethal poisons?

Just confusing. Just jumped in from Classic.

tired gull
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You can apply 2 lethal, 2 non lethal

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(when spec'd into dragon tempered blades)

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!poison

prisma monolithBOT
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You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

  • Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
    Non-Lethals:
  • Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

woven shore
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This discord is dead

gloomy heart
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No you

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Does this look good

gloomy hinge
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is double ascension still the play

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or one lining?

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and one ascension?

ebon pivot
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Hi, new to rogue, doing ok I think, but I have a couple of questions. My kingsbane dmg is quite low, are there any tips for that? If I only have 1 stack of shiv should I use it with 8-9s left on KB or at the start. Also sometimes when it comes back up the second time in a fight i'm energy starved.

That is my second question, is it normal to be that energy starved in a prolonged fight? Sometimes when the fight drags on I'm just auto attacking for ages.

mortal badger
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!design

prisma monolithBOT
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Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

  • No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
  • 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
  • You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target
cobalt sphinx
hollow gazelle
proven jasper
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More envenoms

cobalt sphinx
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ST in dungeon build is always gonna be poo

hollow gazelle
cobalt sphinx
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If you have twist the knife, you want 2 stacks of envenom so you are gonna be using it a lot more

celest helm
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anyone know a simple WA that shows me the % of energy bar left so i can try and watch thistle tea timing

hollow gazelle
novel star
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ascension bad in m+

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but both don’t really matter

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embellishments suck

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!craft

prisma monolithBOT
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Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

cobalt sphinx
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I think whispyr’s afenar edit might show ttk stacks

novel star
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it does i use it

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LE collection also has a standalone one

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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
uneven crag
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When applying multiple stacks of garrote/rupture during indiscriminate carnage in a big pull, should you swap targets to "spread" the dots, or will spamming it on the same target auto disperse it to enemies that do not already have the bleed applied?

runic hinge
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!carnage

prisma monolithBOT
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Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

  • The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
  • You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

north narwhal
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i have question

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is spyglass used for raid and other trinket used for m+ like sacbrood and anub?

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scrolling through the top dogs

gloomy hinge
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out of the top rogues in m+?

slate crown
# hollow gazelle is there a way to alter a weak arua to show when 2 stacks are applied?

The standalone one in LE collection shows you the duration of each stack independently (because they have their own timers).

To answer your specific question you can modify a weak aura to show when 2 stacks are applied just by using a stacks text (%s) that you create on the display page. To show the independent timers, though, you one of the custom auras above

cobalt sphinx
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@north narwhal here are the trinket sims for my character in 636 gear

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"breadgetter" is using a 639 sacbrood

novel star
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but also who cares

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stop looking at top players for builds

north narwhal
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wow they are really close big diff from ww ty guys!

novel star
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just sim them

north narwhal
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i dont have so wonder what to farm

slate crown
novel star
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some random guys build isn’t more trustworthy than a sim because they have 3k io

north narwhal
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good to get opinions though 🙂

blissful pecan
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whats the best trinkets for the raid rn? sims show scardin < transmitter tho

novel star
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nothing has changed there

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both are fine

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transmitter better but minigame annoying/hard

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run one of the 2 + a passive

blissful pecan
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gotcha thanks

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another question, is it ok to play assa with high vers? ive got 40% mastery, 20%vers, 16%crit and 10% haste. will this make my dmg miserable

royal lantern
cobalt sphinx
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naw vers isn't bad at all

gloomy hinge
royal lantern
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like, 1 of the worst things you can do

gloomy hinge
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but if the majority of the top players are running the same or similar stuff

novel star
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sure but you should use a combination of things

royal lantern
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you have no idea why anything is taken and what the situation/thought process is, and the fact that its a entirely different enviorment

drifting cloud
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they arent, they swap multiple points based on dungeon, comp and key level

royal lantern
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then your shity +10weekly keys

drifting cloud
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and if you dont know that youre just baiting yourself

royal lantern
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^

novel star
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when you look exclusively at top players builds it makes you come in here and ask silly things like if you should do ascension + lining ever

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and the answer is no

slate crown
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oh no

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it's happening again

novel star
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if you’re doing m+ you do double lining

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there is no argument for anything else other than top players literally just getting bored and switching things for fun

royal lantern
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like, just cause casual doesnt play IW in Mist +48 in a fullcomp with voicechat that tries the dungeon 80x allready with that comp doesnt mean that you should drop IW in a +10 Necrotic Wake

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just as an example

novel star
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why don’t we talk about cool things like uh

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uhhhhh

gloomy heart
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ARMADILLOS

slate crown
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they're cool duders

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did you see that same one again?

gloomy heart
slate crown
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you're telling me

gloomy heart
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i will walk again soon tonight

slate crown
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there's more than one of those creatures?

gloomy heart
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LOL yeah

slate crown
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holy shit

gloomy heart
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first time i saw one run infront of me

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i bolted

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didnt know what it was at first

royal lantern
gloomy heart
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scared tf outta me

royal lantern
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took a walk in the woods a couple years ago and a Boar came out of nowhere

novel star
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this is an armadillo

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i believe.

royal lantern
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legit scared as fuck and ran away as quick as possibld

gloomy heart
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catmadillo

gloomy heart
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me running straight into a frontal^

blissful pecan
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in single target opener, is there a reason why we use fan of knives once?

blazing pumice
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clear the witness

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proc

novel star
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^

hallow pelican
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stupid question and Im sorry in advance for asking, but is there a weakaura for the shitty transmitter?

coral ibex
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JUMP 3 TIMES

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COLLECT OR STAND IN CIRCLE

humble verge
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@lethal arrow he literally asked me like an hour ago if i actually got the enchants and upgrades 😭 💀 😭

coral ibex
humble verge
eager peak
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best way to sim rogues for AOE its 1 min 5 targets?

humble verge
blazing pumice
blissful pecan
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ahh ic thanks

late tusk
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!tricks

prisma monolithBOT
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Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
eager peak
blazing pumice
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dslice

eager peak
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okk thanks!

tall atlas
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is outlaw ST popping off?

weary spear
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can anyone help? still struggling with ST in higher keys with subterfuge. any tips?

novel star
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good damage when u have infinite uptime

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not very good when you don’t

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nothing new

weary spear
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lmao. play w/ ST pumpers ig

novel star
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ye idk m+ st is still just fried

tall atlas
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anyones caustic spatter not working on the dummies in dorn?

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nvm

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.>

brave vector
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!tea

prisma monolithBOT
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Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
quaint sun
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in a heroic ansurek rn, is deathstalker's mark not applying off of initial ambush a common bug?

mossy sundial
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!meld

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!shadowmeld

granite pagoda
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is it me or are we always low on energy on boss fights in m+? ;-;

balmy condor
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Yes that is how the spec works

north narwhal
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i feel like this discord is so un organized. like make a channel for the cool iformation messages by the owners. and a questions and help channel and a discussion

coral ibex
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faq channels with informational posts, discussion/help channels...

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what did he mean by this

hallow pelican
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trolling

blazing pumice
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this is a question and discussion channel

slate crown
tired gull
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Peck the Chins

plucky dock
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we still sim dslice right?

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instead of many targets, patchwerk short time

slate crown
quasi stump
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I think keys shouldnt deplete at 12s and lower

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If they have to deplete at all

strange maple
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thats a good idea

vast patio
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I'm not used to ogcd feint at all but I love it.

quasi stump
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I mean like

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I get the idea of

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“Oh you’re not ready for this key level yet”

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But what good has it done players?

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I havent heard testimony from players who are encouraged to run keys after a deplete

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It just sucks the energy out of you

rotund oak
keen spruce
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Anyone know what causes the mistveil bite from the stalkers in the mist maze

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to sometimes hit your for like 6.4m

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on application

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and other times just apply the bleed and not do up front damage?

fleet pagoda
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it's a leap/charge thing right? does it activate if you're in melee range on the onset? all I could think of

orchid ravine
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hey guys, need some advice .. i made a 636 dagger cause i had a really bad wep and needed something to hold me over... i now have a lil over 90 crests and debating on crafting a piece of gear for the crit embellishment or should i upgrade my gear?

rotund orchid
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So has anyone else used the orbs that show up to get out a high Crimson Tempest onto the boss or a smaller group? Debating if it is worth it in a boss pull. I have only been playing rogue for about 2 weeks.

rotund oak
hallow pelican
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Ok for the record ... trying to do the transmitter minigame on queen is bullshit

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i swear the fuckin "stand for 3 seconds" spawned in acid every fuckin time

pearl steppe
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whats the symbol on the top middle above my combo points

novel star
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master assassin

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talent

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20% crit chance

pearl steppe
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thanks!

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weird how i didnt notice it before

novel star
pearl steppe
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usually i see deathstalker's mark there

novel star
crimson nova
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lucky day for stabbymoose, won Umbriss Band and Emergency Keychain in back to back runs

errant mauve
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I hate that I have champion queen ring and it sims higher than every other ring I can get unless I get lucky in vault or once a week on heroic queen

rotund oak
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u should feel lucky u got a queen ring

errant mauve
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Nah I don’t I feel unwanted after the heroic queen ring went to a hunter that is bottom of dps charts on all fights and I’m always at the top.

rotund oak
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thats another story

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im talking specifically about owning the ring

errant mauve
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Yeaaa I know

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It only sims a little over 1k higher than the Umbris ring I have

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So myth ring probably still a side grade

rotund oak
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whatever the numbers say fam

errant mauve
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And I still can’t get skardyns and it’s driving me fucking nuts

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I haven’t even seen it drop

rotund oak
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same here,been doing GBs since launch,no skadryns at all

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seen it drop twice but thats for teasing

errant mauve
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I feel your pain brother I feel your pain

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Still not sure what I’m screwing up rotation wise. I’m like 400k below 90+ parses

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That’s a lot of dmg that can’t be from gear

hallow pelican
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Side question… anyone know a good way to deal with back spasms? I went a little hard at the gym last week and now it feels like those muscles won’t heal

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And yes it’s the muscles not the spine I’m in my late forties I know the difference

ebon prism
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does 2 points subterfuge add dps? or is it mostly for like.... iron wire / silence stuff

slate crown
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So yes, it adds dps if you have MA

rotund oak
ebon prism
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and with 2 points, i vanish at 12 seconds before KB ends right?

slate crown
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Yes

novel star
ebon prism
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ok last question. im cheap and i do the kobold wax. is the weightstone much better, noticeable dps increase?

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in M+

blazing pumice
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considering they are both worth less than 1% dps, no

ebon prism
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sweet, now i can be cheap with no guilt

jovial idol
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If you are already doing good then he needs more help

jovial idol
novel star
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i mean yea if u already had normal ring then the track upgrade is kinda cosmetic for overall raid dps

errant mauve
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Nah mine mine mine

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Mastery boost

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In tea tooltip

jovial idol
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Do tea while shiv is up and u're low on energy

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That will mostly happen on ST, in AoE you can send i believe

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Since you will never run out of energy

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Guys, one question for mythic raiding: on short fights, (sub 5 min) do you pot on pull (lust) or execute

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That's exactly my doubt

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Execute is big for assa, so just wondering what people do

errant mauve
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Does our execute add 10% dmg to envenom or just bleeds and poison ticks?

jovial idol
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I believe the poison part includes envenom, kingsbane, etc

errant mauve
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Hmm

violet talon
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Pretty sure Envenom is just Nature damage and not classified as poison

errant mauve
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Not sure how that works I just know I take the talent cause it’s strong

pearl steppe
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btw how meticulous are you guys with using envenom when below 7 combo points

#

is it fine to use it at like 5/6?

slate crown
#

(Except for Darkest Night)

fresh kelp
#

"poisons" = nature

ebon prism
jovial idol
pearl steppe
#

also sometimes when i rupture i suddenly get like 6 combo points out of nowhere

#

anyone know where thats from

#

it's not always

#

sometimes it tricks me into thinking my rupture didnt go off

oak tangle
#

Aerated bone spike in aoe

slate crown
#

holy shit our bone spikes are aerated

jovial idol
slate crown
ebon prism
pearl steppe
#

ok so after 90s the first person ijump with rupture

#

will give me 4 points from bone spike?

#

1 + 3 spikes?

weary spear
#

is there a macro that if ambush is available i use that instead of mutilate? like for subterfuge windows

slate crown
#

!wax

prisma monolithBOT
ebon prism
#

u have to do the quest first. takes 10 min max

pearl steppe
jovial idol
pearl steppe
#

if it's available it will stay on top of mutilate on the smae button

slate crown
weary spear
#

not in subterfuge windows thats for blindside

jovial idol
#

So ideally you wax one weapon and whetstone the other

weary spear
#

thank you!

oak tangle
ebon prism
slate crown
pearl steppe
#

for this does that mean only a 7pt envenom gets the effect

slate crown
#

Yes

pearl steppe
#

or is 5+ considered max

slate crown
#

If you have that buff up

pearl steppe
#

ah ok

slate crown
#

you push to 7 combo points

#

that's the exception to the 5+ rule

pearl steppe
#

makes sense yeah just checking

oak tangle
#

Which also means you can finish at 5cp and it counts as 7

#

Blindside changes mutilate into ambush

#

It’s not even hidden bars, the proc makes mhtilate be ambush

slate crown
oak tangle
#

Only when you have the proc, keep in mind, it does not make mutilate from stealth ambush

oak tangle
#

There’s a vent in the inn is what I recall

slate crown
#

Dude look at this fucking goofy goober jumping

thick sail
slate crown
#

I know I love him

subtle tundra
#

hes a fat fuck

stiff vine
#

what take prio 7cb envenom to refresh marks from darkest knight or refresh rupture if its about to fall off and got caught out not refreshing sooner

novel star
#

feels weird and bad but it’s true

runic hinge
novel star
#

i’m so excited to see how the car thing next patch works out

#

hope it’s not shit

subtle tundra
#

what fucking car

#

i have a drivers license

novel star
#

in 11.1 we get a car

#

a modifiable car

subtle tundra
#

youre fucking with me

novel star
#

no

subtle tundra
#

can i get a dacia

stiff vine
novel star
#

they announced it in the anniversary direct thing

subtle tundra
#

im romanian 🇷🇴

novel star
#

you get like a goblin car and u can drift and shit

subtle tundra
#

needs to be a dacia

novel star
#

oh wait

#

dn

#

i’m stupid

#

uhh no

stiff vine
#

I mean if I have DN. Between packs p

novel star
#

you get up bleeds

#

then mut for spatter

#

then dn

stiff vine
#

yeah that feels natural, thank you

thin dock
#

!macro

#

!tea

prisma monolithBOT
#

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
wild hound
#

Does anyone know if heroic transmitter is better than "heroic" passive trinkets? Got a mythic skardyns but saw Casual running double on use to have an on use for KB's too. Sims lower but thought maybe the sim does something wrong?

blazing pumice
#

i'm guessing his is myth, not hero

#

it's probably lack of options, not out of choice

#

he is probably waiting for a myth crystal/ara from vault

lavish whale
#

@blazing pumice i hate your discord pic, i just socked my monitor

#

you owe me new one

blazing pumice
#

it's an iq test

#

you failed

lavish whale
#

lmao that shit look real asf

novel star
#

couldn’t even tell what it was

#

cus my discord is black

#

instead of grey

short sedge
#

Guys I really struggle with single target dmg in m+

balmy condor
#

We all do man

#

The spec doesn’t have good single target in m+

#

Get over it

summer mist
#

should i craft weapon or upgrade gear

short sedge
#

Just checking if maybe I was doing something wrong

#

But yeah I'm giga energy starved and I can't maintain envenom

balmy condor
balmy condor
summer mist
#

i wasted crest for outlaw axe now i regret it

#

need to refarm

cold vector
#

What rogue wa do you guys use ?

jovial idol
balmy condor
#

In theory I guess execute if you know it’s lining up

indigo comet
#

hey guys
we apply bubbling wax to offhand or mainhand?

balmy condor
#

If you’re gonna use it, mainhand

#

It doesn’t stack and scales with ilvl

blazing pumice
#

that's a bit cringe, won't bubbling be bis eventually

royal lantern
#

didnt knew that one lol

patent elk
#

This big dude in NW, does evasion work on Chill scythe?

novel star
#

no

#

nothing you can do about it afaik

patent elk
#

rip

novel star
#

velf blink angle BASED

warm vortex
#

Hello all

novel star
#

isn’t there a big yellow warning above the sim rotation that says not to use it as a guide

#

but anyways

#

CB_shrug idunno mayb

#

probably just doesn’t matter that much

warm vortex
#

Another day to discover how people in pug keys are smart compared to people who I have to deal with at work

novel star
#

in the case of sending shiv last 8 or first 8 i don’t think it really changes anything that matters no

#

like the value of each stat and shit like that

#

it no matta

warm vortex
novel star
#

Ye

#

Like i don’t know why the sim doesn’t do it but i don’t think it matters to your gearing that it doesn’t

#

since

#

well

#

u shouldn’t be gearing for m+ st anyway

#

but

#

if you are i don’t think it’ll change anything ever

#

in a top gear sim

warm vortex
novel star
#

no

warm vortex
#

But like

novel star
#

by top gear i mean the sim option top gear

warm vortex
#

For ST and AoE I just swap my neck

novel star
#

my point is

#

i would guess it just doesn’t really matter for like what u actually use sims for

#

can you even change gear in m+

normal mist
#

Hi vendeten

novel star
#

crazy technology

warm vortex
#

srsly though customers here suck

wooden otter
#

guys, can assa use any cd during preparation in m+? some ppl say you can have SnD up

rotund oak
#

u dont need snd precasted

winged quail
#

you can pre pot that's about it

rotund oak
#

its embodied when u press envenom to activate and extend by itself now

#

might as well remove it from ur bars

#

pots dont rly worth it,unless u are into highkey pushing

winged quail
#

ofc

rotund oak
#

and get into NW 1st pulls

#

stuff like that pretty much

novel star
#

i get combo points for snd if theres a critter to kill because why not

#

but it literally doesnt matter yeah

#

i do it for happiness

#

and adhd

#

filler

#

the 2 seconds of uptime doesnt matter

stiff vine
#

anyone have squish issues? do i need to get more vers? im getting 1 shot in 12's at 622 ilvl

rotund oak
#

u are 622 its only natural

#

u shouldnt rly be doing 12s

royal lantern
#

"vers to stay alive" is bigtime cope 99% of the time

left loom
#

you are most prob below 6M that hurts

rotund oak
#

if not less

stiff vine
rotund oak
#

my mage gets oneshotted through wall and barrier is 12s

#

and its like 630

royal lantern
# stiff vine 5.6m

with 5.6m, im sure that the Siege endboss on a +12 just 1hit kills you trought feint

rotund oak
stiff vine
#

my DK dies to nothing 💔

jagged niche
#

there is not a single undodge able mechanic that oneshots on 12

rotund oak
#

im not the best mage thats for sure

royal lantern
#

ofc it doesnt die lol

#

if you play rogue and skill elusivness and then feint, you have 20% dr while feint is active

#

DK has 20%dr all the time

rotund oak
#

ams is balanced

north narwhal
royal lantern
#

that talent is so stupid

rotund oak
#

those two are cringe AF

#

idk any class that can do that

#

well mage can but dk is melee

cunning geyser
#

Is Dslice good to sim assa in dungeons?

candid anvil
blissful pecan
#

is it normal that i get 800k dps vs single target bosses on m+?

novel star
#

probably not

#

but depends on a lot of t hings

blissful pecan
#

feels so weak compared to AoE dmg

novel star
#

whats ur ilvl whats the comp (do you have lust etc)

#

but yes

blissful pecan
#

635

novel star
#

our st in m+ does just kinda suck

blissful pecan
#

but i have high vers

novel star
#

the vers doesnt matter

#

but

blissful pecan
#

this is my setting

#

57%mastery 18%crit 19%vers

blazing pumice
#

idk 850k dps is kind of low

#

for 635 ilvl

#

oh

#

you have outlaw gear lol

blissful pecan
#

and this is my talent page

novel star
blissful pecan
#

i mean, i feel really good doing AoEs but ST feels just so wrong

novel star
#

but yes

blissful pecan
#

i must be doing something wrong

novel star
#

sin m+ st is actually just very mid

blissful pecan
#

hmm ok

blazing pumice
#

idk this is my stat distribution at 632

blissful pecan
#

wait

#

after i changed to sin it got worse

#

i have 40%mastery 16%crit now haha

novel star
#

stats really just dont matter that much

blazing pumice
#

ye not for st

blazing pumice
novel star
#

the 2 big buffs we got that made our st damage go from dogshit to good

#

one of them p much exclusively affected raid

arctic socket
#

Stats rly don’t be mattering it’s how you play, you’re probably doing your rotation wrong on ST and that’s causing your boss damage to be on the lower side… if you feel like you have plenty of aoe damage drop sudden demise and spec into twist the knife

rare isle
#

TTK also not too bad for AoE/Cleave with caustic

blazing pumice
#

since they got rid of tyrannical st isn't as important

#

wouldn't worry too much about it

blissful pecan
#

isnt ST rotation just all about keeping rupture/garrote up and spamming evenom?

#

besides kingsbane rotation

rare isle
#

Very true, rather do 8m in aoe than nerf that to get +80k ST

arctic socket
#

Wdym they got rid of tyrannical?

novel star
#

you dont spam envenom

#

you maintain envenom

#

press it for the buff

blissful pecan
#

wdym maintain evenom

#

evenom has buff?

novel star
#

the envenom buff

#

yes

blissful pecan
#

xD

#

didnt even know

novel star
blissful pecan
#

i thought this was the assa version of evis

blazing pumice
novel star
blazing pumice
#

so it's basically neutral

novel star
#

most of the value of envenom is in its instant damage

#

but its still bad to waste buff uptime

blissful pecan
#

wait so whats the rotation for ST on mythic build

novel star
#

!guide

blazing pumice
#

shiv at the end of kb

#

keep up envenom

novel star
#

yea

blissful pecan
#

mutilate - mutilate - evenom but do i just keep this rotation slow?

novel star
#

i mean youre most of the way there in that its just

#

bleeds top prio then envenom when you have nothing else to do

#

but you dont mash envenom

#

you should be tracking the buff probably

blissful pecan
#

oki gotcha

#

probs should update my weakaura

novel star
#

it pandemics the same way bleeds do

harsh ravine
#

that looks good together, sad it doesn't sim well D:

blazing pumice
#

spells don't affect trinkets

#

(some minor exceptions)

harsh ravine
blazing pumice
#

that trinket is ass

wanton hamlet
#

hello guys ! I'm searching for a WA for Garottes target tracker , for the number of garottes on a pack of trash

blazing pumice
#

no point

noble tapir
#

Does anyone know if I can still get this appearance?

royal lantern
#

yes

noble tapir
#

but I gotta complete a current 15 key?

desert crest
#

just git gut

#

lol

noble tapir
#

I am simply asking, I don't know

desert crest
#

no worries just faking around i am curious aswell

spring sand
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
desert crest
normal mist
#

i believe its ... a +15

ornate wagon
#

what target do i need to make sure im castic spatter in packs please?

normal mist
#

saw people complaining on reddit

normal mist
#

or just "choose 1"

#

look them in the eyes and say "i hate you more" and fuck him up

ornate wagon
normal mist
#

the only problem about switching caustic spatter target, is if you ambush target 1 (now has deathstalker's mark) and then decide to attack target 2

#

so be sure you're focusing the DSM target

jovial idol
#

Spatter the one with deathmark

desert crest
#

Is is actually a problem to not be targeting ur DSM tho u only lose dmg from Hunt them down and it allows u to spread funnel on two targets or am i missing something but yeah if there is only 1 high HP mob then spatter on DSM

jovial idol
#

Usually a prio target

jovial idol
#

So you are losing damage

desert crest
#

ohh yeah true

#

thx

cerulean compass
#

Hi guys I have a very dumb question, do you guys play around momentum ? Like is it a huge benefit overall ?

#

Cause I have this overall (+12 NW) 1M6 but feels like I'm missing dps

subtle tundra
#

wdym

novel star
#

like momentum of despair? no you just ignore it its a passive

subtle tundra
#

its just... a thing...

#

thats there

#

fok did 2.3% of my dmg in a dungeon

static glacier
#

you just use FoK on 2+ targets

cerulean compass
#

Hmmm

static glacier
#

not really much else to say

novel star
#

how da hell do i get in a better guild without any xp in previous tiers poroAgony

static glacier
#

that and with clear the witnesesses

cerulean compass
#

I'm 629 ilvl and do 1M6 isn't like bad ? 🤔

static glacier
novel star
#

just feels a bit shit

static glacier
novel star
#

i guess itll be better when its goblin time

#

but for the next few months

#

im just

#

suffering

cerulean compass
static glacier
#

ok that is low for nw

#

would expect ct to be higher

cerulean compass
#

Hmm

subtle tundra
#

even on nw

static glacier
#

remember ct snapshots

subtle tundra
#

if tank is pulling like a bitch

novel star
#

comp and tank skill / route

#

decide all of ur dps

#

m+ overall is pretty fake

#

its a fun number for dopamine but

static glacier
#

Im assuming the tank pulls normally

novel star
#

unless its like INSANELY low

#

theres a lot of small things that can make it vary a lot

static glacier
#

I would say nw is a 2m+ kinda key

subtle tundra
#

fucking shaman stealing my dps

#

i use cds

#

they use cds

novel star
#

your tank can have the standard route

subtle tundra
#

my cds go into the void

novel star
#

and execute that route

#

like a shitter

#

and be slow between packs

#

and gg your dps

static glacier
novel star
#

overall is fake news

static glacier
#

it indicates more than anything how someone's playing aoe pack damage

cerulean compass
#

Because like, on the last boss for example I'm at 719k dps

static glacier
#

fun fact

novel star
#

last boss as assa is legit impossible

#

but

#

yea idk

static glacier
#

fatebound sin is absolutely cracked on last boss nw

#

if you go down

novel star
#

deathstalker makes it so disgustingly aids

static glacier
#

shame that fatebound isn't really playable

novel star
#

its fine in

#

vault keys

static glacier
#

but once you get that buff

novel star
#

thats ab it

cerulean compass
#

Oh wait, how much times do you guys vanish in the key ?

spice surge
#

Deathstalker is just so awful

#

That anything else seems cracked in comparison

static glacier
#

RUP > GAR > MUT > ENV > MUT > ENV > MUT > ENV > MUT > ENV > MUT > ENV > MUT > ENV > MUT > ENV > MUT > ENV > MUT > ENV > RUP > GAR

spice surge
#

Sub is 10000x times better on that boss

static glacier
#

consistently AT MINIMUM 1.1 as sv

soft surge
#

fatebound so chill compared to deathstalker

static glacier
#

meanwhile if i hit 1.1 as sin im happy

static glacier
#

p1 dmg is largely identical

soft surge
#

it sims higher for me on st too

spice surge
#

I did almost 1.4 as sub Cheesin

soft surge
#

yea would be

static glacier
cerulean compass
static glacier
#

the god pull rng-wise

spice surge
#

I meant last boss nw specifically

static glacier
#

ohhh

#

i barely do nw

#

no idea

spice surge
#

But ye assa boss dps is stinky

soft surge
#

its an old painting

spice surge
#

Sub is playing pretty much the raid spec in keys

static glacier
#

i'd imagine sub was better at nw last boss pre-removal of dust

spice surge
#

So boss damage is absolutely insane

static glacier
#

fr?

#

no shot 2x vanish'd cds wouldn't crank after coming up

spice surge
#

The buff is only 40s

cerulean compass
# soft surge its an old painting

Yep I'm an AI PhD and I worked at an AI that could transform a painting into a 3D scene that could provide a fun interaction using it for multiple task

spice surge
#

So you wouldnt be able to get 2x cds anyway

static glacier
#

yeah im saying

#

you would double vanish the 1 set of cds you do get

#

after coming up

spice surge
#

You have it up for everytime you're coming up anyway now

#

And burst is higher now

static glacier
#

is death perception that good?

#

i feel like i burst less than I did with dust

cerulean compass
#

How much do you guys vanish in a dungeon ? like 10 times ?

spice surge
#

The only thing in the current season that sub got worse at after dust removal is silken

#

Because 12s burst windows is a bit too tight to fit your second sectech into now, you need like 13-14s

soft surge
#

mostly on bosses but sometimes on trash if things interupts are getting wild

#

like a gb pull or smt

spice surge
#

Sub in general is really good in keys, just very slightly worse than assa. If assa takes like a 3% or 5% nerf sub is probably better

soft surge
#

whats harder to play perf

static glacier
#

erm

#

probably sin

soft surge
#

if ur good at sub u mighjt do better than sin if its only a small diff

#

sin being fotm and all

static glacier
#

sub isn't actually difficult imo

soft surge
#

lotsa boostie boys

royal lantern
#

cus like

#

rogue "hero" tree are still are 3 hot garbage

cerulean compass
#

!guide

royal lantern
#

but that got once again (ofc like always) pushed aside cus "lol i do high dmg"

#

🙂

#

wow players are legit so predictable

spice surge
#

I specifically meant from NW last boss

royal lantern
#

i meant in general kekdog

#

but ye, assa + nw last boss =stinky

#

and deathbound = even more stinky there

soft surge
#

i hope something in 11.1 puts deathstalker 2nd to flip

royal lantern
#

fuck off

oak eagle
#

ive never played fatebound

#

i just do everything the same

#

right

cerulean compass
#

Hmm quick question guys, it says that, vanish is used to prepare our burst windows ( for improved garrot ) but did there's a problem if like everytime I don't need vanish ? Like I feels like my burst windows basically cames from my opener ? 🤔

royal lantern
#

and have huge dps differences bettwen pulls because "LOL RNG XDDDDDDD"

oak eagle
#

wait, isnt the heroi talent Envenom tho?

#

with cold blood

#

where it only works with cold blood

#

or was i just mis reading it when i read it while leveling

royal lantern
#

cb and kb have the same cd

acoustic roost
#

Yes it’s only envenom, but you don’t want to CB the stater envenom

oak eagle
#

since when was cb a 1 min cd?

#

HOW MUCH DID I MISS

royal lantern
#

and kb = shiv = you use envenom more often

vestal wren
#

they fuse hero talents

royal lantern
oak eagle
#

ahhh

#

I see

vestal wren
#

"your ambush has a 50% chance to apply deathstalkers mark"

warm vortex
#

For raider io do i need the addon to have my main score showed or do i need the app

#

ik very assa related question

vestal wren
#

(i am joking)

night cipher
vestal wren
#

oh, thats evil

oak eagle
royal lantern
vestal wren
royal lantern
#

like 300 or smth

warm vortex
#

Cheers will try this

#

was confused as it wasnt showing on my like

cerulean compass
warm vortex
#

2.2K alt

oak eagle
#

but dw, sub can apply it 7 times over itself

#

and its evis do 1400% increased damage because of darkest night

vestal wren
vestal wren
prime tide
#

Anyone managed to remove everything from LE's EXCEPT the Indiscriminate carnage bar? I try to just keep that one but cant get it to work

warm vortex
#

But yea

vestal wren
#

i am happy to leave this very well designed hero talent option to the lovely assassination spec

warm vortex
#

just want the rio addon to show main score

#

makes it easier for alots

#

Still isnt showing

#

also havce the newest version of the addon and marked my main as main on rio

oak eagle
#

or are they playing trickster

soft surge
#

go to the website and resycn for tomorrow daily update

vestal wren
royal lantern
#

is sub still pressing black powder on ST for trickster

vestal wren
#

no

royal lantern
#

oh god

oak eagle
#

wait a minute

#

was that a thing

vestal wren
#

maybe

royal lantern
#

maybe its not shit anymore

vestal wren
#

its fun

oak eagle
#

bruh wtf

royal lantern
oak eagle
#

fuu

#

tell me everything

vestal wren
#

it was lke 0.3% dps

royal lantern
#

when you had coup ready but didnt want to waste it, you used black powder

vestal wren
#

to delay your coup proc

warm vortex
oak eagle
#

ahhh

vestal wren
#

for flag/dance

soft surge
#

the amount of transmitters and sub gear iv passed on i just cant

vestal wren
#

so ye

#

you did previousely use bp if you min/maxed

#

now you don't

slate crown
oak eagle
#

how tf does coup even work

oak eagle
#

I was testing it on some training dummies

#

and couldnt get it right

royal lantern
#

i try it again when they actually give a fuck about sub in general

oak eagle
#

but it felt like i was doing it correctly

slate crown
#

see once you get to 4 stacks, you press eviscerate and it finds the nearest fire it can slam you into Surebud

warm vortex
#

Any idea why iyt takes a few days

vestal wren
#

also charge you to the target if you are too far away

#

which can be fun on bosses like queen

#

when you suddenly stand in a web

#

because of it

oak eagle
#

imagine during the shield

#

you do that

#

and charges you into the circle

#

i watched Exile do alot of prog on it

#

and I dont think I saw that happen

#

but I think he was playing Deathstalker

slate crown
#

Oh queen?

#

Exile was playing trickster

oak eagle
#

was he

slate crown
#

I think Kush started playing as deathstalker but then swapped

#

iirc

oak eagle
#

ahhh

blazing totem
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
desert raptor
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yo im new to rogue, when does this happens ? is it rng or when you apply a new mark

oak eagle
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everytime you apply a new mark

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that includes after you use Darkest Night

prime tide
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Can someone help me explain how i can remove CB bar and energy bar, but keep top bar? I know basicly nothing about WA's 😛

spice surge
untold crow
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Is anyone else getting the issue where on pull, a melee hits before ambush and results in deathstalker's mark not proccing? Was happening a bunch during raid last night and wanted to see if any of yall had any workarounds or if it's just a me problem lol

spice surge
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Like how fatebound is clearly more suited towards outlaw, trickster is clearly more suited towards sub and deathstalker fits way better for assa than sub

royal lantern
desert raptor
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so everytime it expires i apply max combo point greeen spell whateveer name it is and i throw blades

royal lantern
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fucking coinflips

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got a 99 on heroic court cus i played FB for the memes

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and just did 300k more dmg then i did on my 2nd best kill

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cus rng was good

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fuck that tree