ARE YOU READING
#assassination
balmy condor
jaunty lotus
Yes
balmy condor
Okay
What did I just fucking say
To answer your question
Fifteen times
Tell me please
Repeat it back
oak tangle
whispyr of re-lost mental
balmy condor
Give me one good fucking reason not to mute you
remote trellis
spring stream
what is happening here
jaunty lotus
Idk, he just mad at me
balmy condor
This dipshit can’t do math and wants to troll
I answered his question like a dozen times
timber meadow
whispyr being pretty reasonable
balmy condor
And he refuses to read
remote trellis
he literally spelt it out for you in 3 languages 
oak tangle
i am going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume he is worried about the orb not living, but the damage CT does from the targets hit is snapshot, which is why better for 2
balmy condor
Okay let me spell this out
jaunty lotus
🤔
jaunty lotus
I said that CT on 2 is 240%
balmy condor
Yeah and you’re an idiot
jaunty lotus
Of CT damage
balmy condor
Shut up
CT is 8% away from being cast in single target
It gains 20% extra damage, per target hit past 1
On 2 targets
Right
Stay with me
jaunty lotus
Okay, that is the number I wasn't aware of, thanks!
balmy condor
20% for target 1
20% for target 2
Is 40%
So you’re getting 140%
worth of damage
On a single target
Cast
Fucking
Ct
On
2
I’m going to scream
jaunty lotus
Oh, I thought it was 20% for each target beyond the first
oak tangle
that doesnt help though, even if it was, it would still be better
jaunty lotus
Yes
oak tangle
20% > 8%
balmy condor
When multiple enemies are afflicted: 2 targets
jaunty lotus
I had no idea it was 8% behind only on ST
balmy condor
Increasing by 20%, *2
subtle tundra
literally whispyr
novel star
I had no idea it was 8% behind only on ST
to be fair the specifics dont really matter
oak tangle
i mean it's not entirely unreasonable to assume 20% instead of 40%, especially with how shit some tooltips are
it's still irrelevant to the answer
balmy condor
i mean it's not entirely unreasonable to assume 20% instead of 40%, especially w...
Is this some accent difference
Australian debuff
novel star
if u know that ct is more st dps on 2 thats enough information for like any relevant application
novel star
i mean it's not entirely unreasonable to assume 20% instead of 40%, especially w...
I agreed with this based on my memory of the tooltip but after actually reading it instead of just remembering it
i understood
balmy condor
Can’t answer a question
Can’t answer a question a second time
Can’t answer it a third time
Need to bring out math
For a one word answer
Cause mfers won’t read their abilities
Won’t read the answer to their question
Won’t fucking do shit
Fuck this man
oak tangle
i love that even if it was only 20%, it's still correct to ct on 2
rotund oak
Fucking hell man
idk if it will help but im drinking some black tea,ive put some honey in it.Calmed my nerves with ppl at work trying to kill each other and destroy the warehouse
snow hamlet
jaunty lotus
I mean, reading that correctly still doesn't make any difference on the answer, it could be that using it on 4 immune targets + a boss would still be worse if CT was more than 50% behind in ST
remote trellis
here we go
balmy condor
For prio
Cause you fucking asked
for prio
And I said 2
But you can’t open your eyeballs
For lord knows what reason
oak tangle
how many targets do i have to cast CT on before i cause an aneurism
rotund oak
jsut scrolled up,bro said like 100 times 2 targets+ ct
remote trellis
can he say it one more time
rotund oak
oak tangle
not one time, 2 times
rotund oak
but its getting annoying saying it 100 times and ppl say its like 5 or 6 or whatever
oak tangle
2 or more times
rotund oak
and its simple,its like everywhere,legit trolling to refuse the input
balmy condor
I don’t mind answering questions
But like
Fucking hell man
Acting as if I’m just some fucking chatbot and wasting my time
What a fucking prick
balmy prism
whispyrGPT
rotund oak
sometimes my brain stops as well but u always take a step back and see whats happening,cant go wrong,someone says +2 100 times,insisting might be an indication he knows something as a writer
oak tangle
can we get a !ct bot command, and it's just a screenshot of you saying ct on 2 100 times
rotund oak
snow hamlet
Chat whispyrbot 2.0
jaunty lotus
Can we get a chatbot version of whispyr? I feel like there's enough input in here to train it
rare isle
Whispyr do I CT on 2?????
balmy condor
Can we get a chatbot version of whispyr? I feel like there's enough input in her...
The bot would kill itself
jaunty lotus
Hey, that just means you solved the issue of them killing us
balmy condor
Robots don’t need sentience to feel suicidal reading a class discord
jaunty lotus
Whispyr training dataset as an AI kill switch
balmy prism
you should try working with having to explain shit to people, that's a fast track to the nuthouse
sleek spear
For poisons is always deadly and amplifying poison for M+ right ?
balmy condor
Yes
oak tangle
For poisons is always deadly and amplifying poison for M+ right ?
assuming DTB, which is a safe assumption for now
sleek spear
assuming DTB, which is a safe assumption for now
Yes I am running DTB
subtle tundra
👨❤️💋👨
subtle tundra
i kiss m e n
subtle tundra
tomorrow there will be alcohol involved maybe i get to kiss one
subtle tundra
😋
novel star
oak tangle
lock in or cock in
oak tangle
🐓
oak tangle
rocky geyser
what haste should i aim for on assassination i have i hgave 33% crit and 50% mastery but 4% haste
oak tangle
ok last time i do it rofl
rain wraith
what haste should i aim for on assassination i have i hgave 33% crit and 50% mas...
Depends what content
oak tangle
what haste should i aim for on assassination i have i hgave 33% crit and 50% mas...
you shouldn't
rain wraith
For m+ u have infinite energy except some boss fights. But its suppose to be like that
For raids just equip your sikran neck and ur gucci
jaunty lotus
The energy on m+ bosses is really bad
rain wraith
Thats fine
jaunty lotus
Especially when you're feinting every 20 sec
oak tangle
you have energy when you need it
jaunty lotus
I really wish we could get the ambush proc on m+ though, it feels so nice in raids when you get back to back ambush
jaunty lotus
If u want energy u need to play outlaw
I know, I mained outlaw for the whole of DF, but right now I have 5% haste and outlaw has a haste tax
subtle tundra
thats the problem with pure st talents
rain wraith
I know, I mained outlaw for the whole of DF, but right now I have 5% haste and o...
HO is like 10% so thats reachable. Dont u have rings and necks and shit saved up for swapping specs every now and then
jaunty lotus
Nah, this is an alt I haven't got the spare stuff yet
rain wraith
Sikran neck and 1-2 rings should put u in the haste tax bracket for outlaw
rain wraith
But yeah. Ur gonna be energy starved on ST either u like it or not
sleek spear
So always cast CT on 2 target?!
fresh kelp
Worth it to craft a mythic dagger if I already have Heroic level ones?
jaunty lotus
Luckily I feel there aren't that many pure ST bosses
oak tangle
Worth it to craft a mythic dagger if I already have Heroic level ones?
worth it unless you have a myth track already
fresh kelp
Just heroic track currently
oak tangle
Luckily I feel there aren't that many pure ST bosses
all bosses are mostly ST, you just swap in spatter, the problem will be there
jaunty lotus
On m+?
oak tangle
what bosses in m+ aren't ST
jaunty lotus
I don't mind the energy on raid build it feels a lot better
A lot of them have adds you can rupture for that sweet energy kickback
oak tangle
a few yeah, but not the majority
jovial idol
But I wouldn't say that there aren't many pure ST bosses
Most are ST
Or have adds that die quickly
oak tangle
adds dying quickly is fine for the energy gen
jaunty lotus
Yeah, rupture it and you go back to full energy
oak tangle
i mean for the most part, the energy isn't even a problem, (personal opinon) but i am also used to the spec
blissful cosmos
hey guys in mytic plus build single target feel awful for me i auto proc most my teas and get coodlowns and almost have no energy sometimes should i be pulling more feels hard to do especially when playing twist the knife if you want high up time on it
oak tangle
hey guys in mytic plus build single target feel awful for me i auto proc most my...
many different options there
blissful cosmos
how do you even not proc your teas when playign twist the knif ein mytic plus build
oak tangle
full send anyway, conciously check to see you wont proc a tea, or drop back to 1 envenom stack between cd's
jaunty lotus
We don't play for two envenom uptime on ST with m+ build, do we?
blissful cosmos
some people do
jaunty lotus
You want to play for 1 stack uptime
balmy condor
doesn't matter
jovial idol
There's so many assa builds, it depends how your group pulls
novel star
how do you even not proc your teas when playign twist the knif ein mytic plus bu...
you stop caring because auto tea loses pretty much nothing
jaunty lotus
I barely have the energy for 1
jovial idol
I've seen builds without SD
oak tangle
the general rule i sit at, is i try and remain at roughly 50% energy, but as whispyr says, it really doesn't matter, whatever you have more fun doing
novel star
then pool for like 2 seconds before dm
dm doubling bleeds gives you hella energy anyway
don’t really need tea to press buttons
since ur not mashing until shiv anyway
jaunty lotus
And if you line up a tea charge with shiv you should have tea coming back
novel star
simply macro it to shiv tbh yea
novel star
^ this lol
balmy condor
how is that possible
blissful cosmos
bro i swear it exist
novel star
it really shouldn’t
blissful cosmos
in mytic plus build
jaunty lotus
He didn't CT on 2
blissful cosmos
it exist
novel star
you get 2x venomous wounds income
oak tangle
you got your dots up?
balmy condor
it doesn't matter what build man
blissful cosmos
ye si got my dots up
novel star
i have never really experienced being drained in dm
it happens in solo kbs and solo shivs sometimes
blissful cosmos
i spam evenom till my energy bar is 0 for twist the knife
novel star
but drained in dm is insane and sounds fake
jovial idol
in mytic plus build
So don't play twist the knife
oak tangle
i spam evenom till my energy bar is 0 for twist the knife
try waiting till last second of ttk stack
jovial idol
There's like 20 builds
novel star
don’t play ttk or just don’t mash yea
you can still pandemic refresh like normal
while playing ttk
it shouldn’t matter to dm though
like
blissful cosmos
there is 2 pandemics tho right for twitst the knife
novel star
dm energy isn’t even a question
blissful cosmos
to keep up with both of them is nea rimposible
novel star
there is 2 pandemics tho right for twitst the knife
no, only the lower duration stack pandemics
cause only that one is replaced
blissful cosmos
in mytic plus build
oak tangle
core spec concept - energy is what limits us, not gcd, doesn't matter when you press an ability if you hit it inside buffs
and dont cap on energy
blissful cosmos
actually i think it is imppsible
blissful cosmos
bro you can do it
jovial idol
Brother, if your argument is that because of your build you have to spam too much and run out of energy in all scenarios, even during DM, it sounds to me the build is just not for you
jovial idol
I don't know what answer this man is looking for
gloomy heart
do i give up on learning rogue or press on
novel star
venomous wounds solo carries ur ability to press any buttons at all even outside of dm
and in dm it’s DOUBLED !?
blissful cosmos
i think you guys might be thinking of raid build
novel star
i am not
jovial idol
do i give up on learning rogue or press on
Play havoc DH, experience misery, then come back with a smile
gloomy heart
Play havoc DH, experience misery, then come back with a smile
oh god
jaunty lotus
I can see if you try to GCD lock you can probably run out of energy during DM if you start low with no tea
novel star
do i give up on learning rogue or press on
Idunno, are you having fun
jaunty lotus
On st m+ spec
novel star
at the end of the day it’s a video game and we play video games to have fun
jaunty lotus
But you don't need to GCD lock to keep ttk up
blissful cosmos
but yea my question already got answered
jaunty lotus
at the end of the day it’s a video game and we play video games to have fun
I play this to get yelled at by whispyr, today was a good day
blissful cosmos
i need to accept sometimes i wont always have 2 stacks of eveom in mytic plus build and chill out
gloomy heart
Idunno, are you having fun
kinda, comparing myself to
others and feeling like i’m not doing enough damage is making it meh
novel star
then either don’t do that or do that and have a better mentality about it
learning anything in life involves failure
get back up and improve
jaunty lotus
On downtime in ST you won't have 2 stacks of envenom usually
jovial idol
kinda, comparing myself to
others and feeling like i’m not doing enough damage i...
But do you like the gameplay? If you do then you will eventually get better
limber coral
Comparison is the thief of joy, remember that.
subtle tundra
kinda, comparing myself to
others and feeling like i’m not doing enough damage i...
well
jovial idol
If you swap around whenever you feel you don't do big damage you will never get better
subtle tundra
ask for a log review
jaunty lotus
kinda, comparing myself to
others and feeling like i’m not doing enough damage i...
I was feeling like that, a bit more gear, a bit more practice, stopped inviting rets that explode the pack in 10 seconds, and now it feels a lot better
novel star
Comparison is the thief of joy, remember that.
this is true unless you’re sweating really hard to get good at something in which case you can get a lot of useful information from comparing yourself to others
you just need to care
and have the right mentality
if you don’t care or don’t have a good mindset about it then it’s fucked
jovial idol
I was feeling like that, a bit more gear, a bit more practice, stopped inviting ...
Honestly, assa starts doing good around 11-12
Something I noticed
static glacier
kinda, comparing myself to
others and feeling like i’m not doing enough damage i...
Judge ur gameplay, dmg is prone to kill timers / gear / rng
jovial idol
When things actually live a bit
gloomy heart
I see like people doing 1.7-1.8 mil in 10s and im doing 1.2–.3
jaunty lotus
Honestly, assa starts doing good around 11-12
I'm just spamming 10's for vault and can usually be top now
grim jay
if you don’t care or don’t have a good mindset about it then it’s fucked
I mean, if you are competitive, then competitiveness is your drive and joy
novel star
ye
static glacier
Honestly, assa starts doing good around 11-12
Bro were some insane spec at v low keys, just gotta play bleed build
grim jay
Honestly, assa starts doing good around 11-12
It does good lower aswell
grim jay
I see like people doing 1.7-1.8 mil in 10s and im doing 1.2–.3
Thats rather low Yeah, assuming you are close to 630 atleast, didnt read up fully
gloomy heart
I am 626
static glacier
I see like people doing 1.7-1.8 mil in 10s and im doing 1.2–.3
That’s probably a skill issue, sin can absolutely do 1.7-1.8 if not higher in a 10 provided you’ve got gear
limber coral
More of a if you keep getting in the downs of your performance you’re not gonna have fun. I like to compare logs and I get down sometimes too but I often just have good friends that help me out with my logs too.
trim monolith
does Treacherous transmitter oversim?
gloomy heart
I can link my armory
jaunty lotus
I did 1.7M on a 10 mists at 624 today, it's just practice and not having good teammates
jovial idol
I can hardly do more than 1.8m overall in 10s and lower, but I guess there's a lot of builds out there for those scenarios
grim jay
does Treacherous transmitter oversim?
No
subtle tundra
I can link my armory
armory is 0 information
trim monolith
ok so 21k upgrade is the real deal
subtle tundra
you need to log yourself
trim monolith
excellent @grim jay
grim jay
excellent <@314360286247124992>
People only play skardyn because the diff isnt worth the hassle most of the time
gloomy heart
this was 1.4 in a 10 mists
crimson nova
I did 1.7M on a 10 mists at 624 today, it's just practice and not having good te...
is it normal to feel like i cant get full damage out of rotation at 10 if the mobs die too quickly?
i'm relatively new so i'm sure i could be doing better
jaunty lotus
is it normal to feel like i cant get full damage out of rotation at 10 if the mo...
Yes, don't invite rets, they kill any fun
grim jay
I would say it does because mine keeps running or spawning on top of mechanics
Your own issue because you can control where it spawns. Its only annoying in like M+ stuff for that reason
jaunty lotus
The worse your teammates on a 10 the better you'll do
crimson nova
feels like i get my opener going and when it's ready to use cds the dm/kingsbane is onl;y up for like 5 seconds lol
jaunty lotus
Your own issue because you can control where it spawns. Its only annoying in lik...
Wait, you can control it?
static glacier
is it normal to feel like i cant get full damage out of rotation at 10 if the mo...
Accelerate ur opener
jaunty lotus
That thing flew to the lava in throngus
grim jay
Wait, you can control it?
Yes it always spawns north east of your character
static glacier
Stop rupturing / CT faster
oak tangle
feels like i get my opener going and when it's ready to use cds the dm/kingsbane...
i recommend plater mods which highlight the prio target / highest hp
jaunty lotus
I was so mad
crimson nova
Accelerate ur opener
like spread fewer bleeds?
gloomy heart
this was 1.4 in a 10 mists
does anything look low
or bad here
crimson nova
i recommend plater mods which highlight the prio target / highest hp
yeah i have this + caustic spatter coloring
static glacier
like spread fewer bleeds?
Yes, precisely. Stuff like corruptor packs at end of GB is a rup > ct angle
limber coral
feels like i get my opener going and when it's ready to use cds the dm/kingsbane...
Get your 5x scent of blood stacks, get CS and CT going. Then blast your CD’s
jaunty lotus
1.4M on mists is fine, especially if you had other people doing more
crimson nova
Yes, precisely. Stuff like corruptor packs at end of GB is a rup > ct angle
yeah so only 3 ruptures/garrote then
?*
crimson nova
Get your 5x scent of blood stacks, get CS and CT going. Then blast your CD’s
would you use cds before getting one max envenom off?
gloomy heart
We are doomed, dark flame cleft for season 2
static glacier
yeah so only 3 ruptures/garrote then
If it’s a pack with giga fake things that will die fast yes, you just want rup on ur MT for ct then you’re trying to crank prio dmg from CT > Env. In a lot of cases you do want 6x rupture but there’s exceptions
crimson nova
thanks
jovial idol
We are doomed, dark flame cleft for season 2
I mean, it was expected that we would get all the remaining dungeons
From TWW
crimson nova
yeah i think i too religiously try to get that 5 stacks of each bleed up
oak tangle
yeah i think i too religiously try to get that 5 stacks of each bleed up
5 stacks of garrote has no effect other than some energy really
gloomy heart
Anyone have a log or vod of a 10 i can see
jaunty lotus
What is the problem with dark flame cleft? Just the push the cart area?
static glacier
Like scent of blood is strong, but let’s not lose sight of the bigger picture
oak tangle
garrote isnt even scent of blood
static glacier
Ye
limber coral
would you use cds before getting one max envenom off?
Life expectancy is a thing that helps the damage so if im worried about decent CD usage imma just send em to get most out of them. 9/10 I’ll send the envenom then CD’s it just all depends on what I feel about how long the adds with last
static glacier
Talking mainly about rup tbh
crimson nova
hm ok
jaunty lotus
Rupture > rupture if you're running bone spike and you're done for scenr
crimson nova
i usually just use a 2nd garrote cause i have SS talented and it's going to get me 3 cp anyway
limber coral
Rupture is the most important because we want 5x stacks of scent of blood, it’s 20% added agility.
crimson nova
rather than a fov
oak tangle
fok can fill your cp, garrote cant
static glacier
i usually just use a 2nd garrote cause i have SS talented and it's going to get ...
Depends on context, 2x gar is standard but if the pack won’t live it can be an angle to fok / mut depending on Caustic
Biggest thing I see people messing up is just delaying CT too long
Get it rolling then deal with other shit
crimson nova
yeah that could help me a bit
gloomy heart
So i should do 1.7-1.8 without aug in a 10?
jovial idol
Man, it depends
static glacier
So i should do 1.7-1.8 without aug in a 10?
You can, should is context dependant
jaunty lotus
Depends on dungeon and teammates
jovial idol
Don't have a standard like that
crimson nova
Rupture > rupture if you're running bone spike and you're done for scenr
yeah i make sure i do this at least
static glacier
If I put you in a key with two omega geared rets who blow up every pack on sight you won’t do great overall
jovial idol
I have done 1.4m sometimes and one time I did 2.1. both timed
So there's not really a standard
jaunty lotus
If you're timing the key and stuff is dying quickly, it doesn't matter
static glacier
Just focus on playing well
Also consider sub
People really sleeping on that spec
subtle tundra
yea sleeping while playing too
limber coral
I’d focus on keeping uptime on bleeds/envenoms. you do that your damage will come with it.
static glacier
I’ve done similar overalls to sin as sub without the meh boss dam
Can do like 1.3 as sub, sin is 1.1 or less for me
jaunty lotus
yea sleeping while playing too
Is it that bad?
subtle tundra
Can do like 1.3 as sub, sin is 1.1 or less for me
you might just play assa bad
crimson nova
i've been trying sanguine blades for m+ and bosses just feel so boring now
static glacier
you might just play assa bad
Idk, I’ve not seen many people doing more than I do on bosses as sin
subtle tundra
oh you say boss dps
gloomy heart
Any good people to watch and observe, all i see is higher keys not lower
jaunty lotus
Cause we can't really say they are the ones sleeping when we spend half the fight in single target doing nothing
static glacier
Like if my main were to go vs my alt on boss dps in keys alt wins 19/20 times
jaunty lotus
In keys at least
crimson nova
Cause we can't really say they are the ones sleeping when we spend half the figh...
yeah this
static glacier
Actually crazy how cracked sv is at boss dam in keys, randomly just hit 1.4-5
Can’t dream of that as sin
subtle tundra
but comfortably shit compared to ele
oak tangle
sub just spends alot of the time doing nothing, sin at least is maintaining things
jaunty lotus
Yeah I'm around 1m as well, which is not great but it's okay
static glacier
but comfortably shit compared to ele
I thought ele boss dam was wack
You mean enh right?
subtle tundra
ele boss dam is crack
static glacier
Inb4 its spymasters xd
subtle tundra
ofc its spymasters
wdym
do you expect them not to play their bis
just cause its too strong
oh not playing skardyn cause its unfair
grim jay
oh not playing skardyn cause its unfair
I personally run the crabbuild to even the playground
jaunty lotus
Crabbuild?
grim jay
Crabbuild?
subtle tundra
bro im getting outdpsd by the fucking aug on ST
i cant man
i just looked at logs
novel star
bro im getting outdpsd by the fucking aug on ST
problem? 
just do the rotation better man
grim jay
nearly a year old now
Its actually insanely old
novel star
subtle tundra
just do the rotation better man
im gonna fucking
novel star
oh good luck
gloomy heart
So if i’m playing with a ret and need to get damage off quicker do i even garrote, so i just shove ruptures and send ?
subtle tundra
you play bleed build
grim jay
you play bleed build
Bleed DN
novel star
crimson nova
bleed build for a strong +10 group?
subtle tundra
i officially ran out of mythic crests usages...
gloomy heart
wtf is bleed build
subtle tundra
have hc ring that i need to replace with ansurek
grim jay
Fotm detected
oak tangle
sudden demise, and possible aterial precision but not atm i dont tihnk
grim jay
Call the police
subtle tundra
sudden demise, and possible aterial precision but not atm i dont tihnk
thats not the bleed build
bleed build is zoldyck
gloomy heart
Fotm detected
noooo
oak tangle
ap not taken in bleed build o,O
gloomy heart
i main rogue since mop just never pved as rogue until now
grim jay
i main rogue since mop just never pved as rogue until now
Its fine, we all change
For the better
oak tangle
i remember the OG AP days where we took it on VOTI council
crimson nova
wow bleed build has no dtb
subtle tundra
subtle tundra
wow bleed build has no dtb
yes cause you cant have everything
oak tangle
do poisons sound like bleeds?
runic hinge
me when someone doesn't know what the bleed build
gloomy heart
So if i really want to get better how do i do so, go into detail if needed i wanna have fun and own
crimson nova
haha i'm pretty new! sorry
for some reason i chose sin rogue as my first dps to learn
but it's fun
oak tangle
for some reason i chose sin rogue as my first dps to learn
i did the same thing, but i was coming from playing ESO which was very much similar gameplay of maintaining buffs
runic hinge
It is the most fun I've had playing this game
crimson nova
ESO?
oak tangle
elder scrolls online
oak tangle
So if i really want to get better how do i do so, go into detail if needed i wan...
im my personal opinion, gather a theoretical knowledge of what to do, so you can then apply it to your own logs
balmy condor
do poisons sound like bleeds?
yes, neither makes noise, so they sound identical in fact
good question
gloomy heart
im my personal opinion, gather a theoretical knowledge of what to do, so you can...
Okay help
runic hinge
I'd just like to be blown
balmy condor
it doesn't matter if the glass is half empty or half full
if it's beer, it's just halfway to the next glass
subtle tundra
whispyrrrrrrrr tomorrow is drinking dayyyyyyy
balmy condor
today is drinking day for me
cause I'm sick
so I made my stomach churning bastard drink
balmy condor
lick a rat
gloomy heart
I gotchu
I’m doing 1.1-1.3 in 10s playing subterfuge build with one lethal, i feel like i should do more so what’s the basics, i usually garrote garrote rupture fan rupture get my caustic up and send
subtle tundra
ooookkkkkkk were onto something
balmy condor
I’m doing 1.1-1.3 in 10s playing subterfuge build with one lethal, i feel like i...
sounds reasonable
distant hinge
Fatebound sims 16k higher than Deathstalker ST with my gear, should i just run that?
Jsut say your sick you dont actaully have to be sick lol
novel star
if it's beer, it's just halfway to the next glass
but do i drink beer at 2 targets or 1
balmy condor
Fatebound sims 16k higher than Deathstalker ST with my gear, should i just run t...
only in pure single target, yes
subtle tundra
Fatebound sims 16k higher than Deathstalker ST with my gear, should i just run t...
l-lying
oopa
gloomy heart
sounds reasonable
I see people doing 1.7+ what am i doing wrong
distant hinge
lol
subtle tundra
true i could lie..
balmy condor
but do i drink beer at 2 targets or 1
drinking beer is not about the target count, it's about being in ravenholdt
novel star
fair
balmy condor
I see people doing 1.7+ what am i doing wrong
pugging 10's
balmy condor
a shotglass full of alt girl spit would fix me
subtle tundra
youre literally in a long term relationship???????
balmy condor
she can spit in the shotglass too idm
balmy condor
sure
subtle tundra
😊
gloomy heart
pugging 10's
oh i forgot i also get CT up and then dmark KB and spam fok envenom and shiv at 8
subtle tundra
yes thats how the spec goes!
oak tangle
oh i forgot i also get CT up and then dmark KB and spam fok envenom and shiv at ...
innevitably, it will either boil down to, slow casts, energy capping, or mismanagement of buffs
or simply the pug tank
or the others killing mobs
gloomy heart
Maybe i’m just stressing myself out and ruining my rogue experience bc i lfg perma
jaunty lotus
If you had 2 alt girls around you right now, would you CT it?
balmy condor
I mean it sounds like you're just imposter syndrome
like you're timing the key
there's only so much damage to be done
subtle tundra
I mean it sounds like you're just imposter syndrome
balmy condor
yellow queen anuswreck
gloomy heart
Yeah maybe i do usually time them like +2 but i still need that damage
subtle tundra
yellow queen anuswreck
i got my first very rare loot!!
had a well rolled 91 when we rolled for it
wise whale
Ring?
subtle tundra
(the back)(it saved me a total of 15 crests)
wise whale
Oh
jaunty lotus
You're +2ing the key and need more damage? Go play Ret paladin then
balmy condor
Yeah maybe i do usually time them like +2 but i still need that damage
yeh I mean if you're +2ing 10's then you're just running out of mob health
subtle tundra
(i wont even play it in m+)
oak tangle
all that +2 tells me is you need to walk into 12's
subtle tundra
and then they cant cause 12s are way more difficult
gloomy heart
yeh I mean if you're +2ing 10's then you're just running out of mob health
But feel like 1.2-1.3 overall is ass
maybe bc usually a ret or enha in my key
jaunty lotus
Assassination takes a bit to set up, if shit dies too quickly you're going to do less
gloomy heart
bout to run double aug assa just to only funnel me 🙂
jaunty lotus
Sounds like you want a class with instant burst
subtle tundra
idk if i want to test something the lowest id go is a 14 otherwise shit dies too fast
crimson nova
on the note of dying too fast, on keys in the 8-10 range do you guys go and kill the add spiders on boss 1 ara kara?
i feel like i'm suiciding my damage to go shadowstep over there
oak tangle
on the note of dying too fast, on keys in the 8-10 range do you guys go and kill...
i play with a ret pala / fury war, so no
balmy condor
and then I fuck off
crimson nova
ok thanks, i tried explaining that to my group and they were not happy haha
oak tangle
even on 11
novel star
i velf racial to them for slow poison and ct
jaunty lotus
CT? But there's only 4 spiders! /s
gloomy heart
I like pve but i am NOT excited for dark flame cleft next season
subtle tundra
ok thanks, i tried explaining that to my group and they were not happy haha
well depends if theres anyone in the group killing them
crimson nova
CT? But there's only 4 spiders! /s
lol i read this interaction earlier
subtle tundra
i can kill them myself if not
crimson nova
well depends if theres anyone in the group killing them
yeah my entire group has been going over
novel star
realistically comp dependent is the answer yeah
subtle tundra
yeah my entire group has been going over
then theres no need for you
gloomy heart
Okay i will test out higher keys and lyk how i feel
gloomy heart
i velf racial to them for slow poison and ct
always wondered how much velf racial does in keys
novel star
not much
subtle tundra
30 million
novel star
that one even is useless
gloomy heart
Anyone have a log of a good key they had i wanna see how mine should
look
jaunty lotus
Do you guys run elusiveness for raids?
subtle tundra
i did unintentionally yesterday, guess what
cheat useless if you play right
jaunty lotus
What do you use it for kyveza? The bleed dot or just intermission?
balmy condor
both
jaunty lotus
You can pre cloak the dash, learned it in whispyrs stream
balmy condor
only really should do that if you're next to tanky people
like if I was assigned to be next to healers
jaunty lotus
(I main Ret, also works with pre bubble, but taught it to our rogue and he was quite happy)
subtle tundra
only really should do that if you're next to tanky people
i did that while i had a warrior stacked on top of me
was not fun
jaunty lotus
Oh cheat death doesn't work, makes sense
subtle tundra
another warrior close to my left, and a rogue to my right
earnest remnant
cheat has worked fine the few times ive ran it on kyveza
subtle tundra
not cool!
subtle tundra
cheat has worked fine the few times ive ran it on kyveza
you dont get assassinated?
earnest remnant
nope
jaunty lotus
Is regicide on you considered aoe damage for feint?
earnest remnant
nah
novel star
Is regicide on you considered aoe damage for feint?
no that’s why elusiveness is good
jaunty lotus
Got it
unreal imp
Worth it to cloak the dash and never get queensbane if 4-healing Kyveza (for reasons).
Nothing else is nearly as dangerous IMO.
novel star
it’s worth regardless
jaunty lotus
Is regicide on other people considered aoe damage?
novel star
evasion the intermission and cloak the charge
balmy condor
elusivenss stacks with the hero talent right?
yes
crimson nova
ty
jaunty lotus
I'm progging that as pally, can only bubble first and last phases
rain wraith
Im using 639 tank trinket for kyveza. Shit became alot easier after that
unreal imp
cloaking charge is so relaxing
Yep just shadowstep back to boss
rain wraith
The one from ulgrax
jaunty lotus
Does it let you survive the daggers or balls?
rain wraith
Idk. Havent been hit by them yet 🫣 but it makes u stay above 50% health when u have queensbane debuff
drifting cloud
some people played it during rwf
jaunty lotus
Between feint and evasion you shouldn't need it on intermission
drifting cloud
not really needed thesedays but doesnt matter either way
jaunty lotus
You're a rogue you never get the queensbane debuff
subtle tundra
Dps isnt an issue on that boss. Having 20 ppl survive till the end is
yea i know but most deaths are 1 shots imo
so uh
idk!
rain wraith
Feint+evasion for queensbane then feint during intermission. And cloak and just stand still for the last 6-7 seconds
And you shouldnt get hit by daggers and balls anyways
royal lantern
yea i know but most deaths are 1 shots imo
"dodge daggers"
"WIPE IT"
the Kyveza prog experience
rain wraith
And its always the fucking mages and warlocks that die
royal lantern
warlocks for us aswell lmao
rain wraith
Dont they have infinite healthstones
royal lantern
invincible class makes them think that they can ignore 1hit stuff after it 1hit killed them 20x allready
rain wraith
I forced my guildies to download a crosshair weakaura and we started surviving into 2nd intermission every time lol
jaunty lotus
That is actually a good idea lol
rain wraith
Now we are having 5-6% wipes cus 1-2 dps always dies early
jaunty lotus
How many pulls in are you?
rain wraith
Like 160
jaunty lotus
We're about 100 in
rain wraith
Feelsnice
Wiping with boss at 500m hp. And seing 2-3 dps that if they didnt die would have done 600m extra damage
worldly wave
I have noticed tha ta lot of top players use embelishment of ascension on weap and armor of choice
Does it outperform 2x dawnthread ?
balmy condor
pins
novel star
!craft
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Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime
Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
worldly wave
I am about to hit 90 gilded. Have 2 heroic daggwrs maxed. Is it a good idea to craft 636 dagger and switch from 2x dawn to ascension writhing? I do both contents but want to do better in raids
Currently have wrist belt dawnthread 609 crafted
crimson nova
if i'm trying out the bleed build with blindside, does that mean i'd prioritize ambush procs over fov for builders?
or is that just a nice thing to have for st?
novel star
I am about to hit 90 gilded. Have 2 heroic daggwrs maxed. Is it a good idea to c...
you can craft an unembellished dagger
and it’s still big gain
oak tangle
just did a clutch play on NW
blinded the last add that wasn't dead right as the cast went off
final dawn
Gamer
oak tangle
not to mention, we were all in the process of hitting
cobalt relic
35% to 0 on first M Ky'veza kill. What execute does to a mf
cobalt relic
Nah, Mark
cobalt relic
If I wanted to gamble I'd play Outlaw
runic hinge
Just hit all your flips it’s not gambling
cobalt relic
Best prog kill I've had in quite a while
crimson nova
should i be using vanish before or after deathmark? trying to understand the snapshotting with imrpoved garrote better
novel star
you vanish for master assassin
cobalt relic
Should use Vanish with second Shiv during Deathmark so that the Master Assassin buff overlaps with the end of KB/DM
novel star
crimson nova
yeah i'd have 12 s for my build
dm would duplicate active improved garrotes or newly applied right?
just a min max thing
novel star
before or after doesn’t really matter yea
dm just duplicates anything while it’s active
midnight mist
I don't click it I just mouse over, is that an issue tho lol
crimson nova
before seems better because you get more value out of the double improved garrote
other than the opener where you'd already have that improved on
cobalt relic
You definitely Vanish after DM
Regardless of Subterfuge
DM lasts 16 seconds, even with 12 seconds of MA it wouldn't overlap
You want the ending of your DM to overlap with MA
novel star
garrote damage just kinda sucks though yea
cobalt relic
Master Assassin is worth way more than a couple more seconds on DM'd Imp Gar
novel star
i mean you still wouldn’t vanish a solo kb over a dm kb
but yeah
kingsbane FUCKS
buffing kingsbane real good
umbral sierra
more of DM 2x gar 2x rup 2x poison and kb getting 20% crit
crimson nova
the icy veins write up in confusing me then haha
novel star
and you still get imp gar for most of the dm anyway
crimson nova
trying to reconcile it with the whisper content
"6.1. Snapshotting
The damage buff from Improved Garrote Icon Improved Garrote is removed when you overwrite the bleed you empowered by re-applying an unempowered bleed. Therefore, it is best to let the DoT run its full duration before refreshing it. This bonus damage gets duplicated during Deathmark Icon Deathmark. Consequently, you will want to use Vanish Icon Vanish before Deathmark Icon Deathmark except during your opener."
novel star
icy might be written from before we wanted MA again tho 
crimson nova
yeah true
novel star
prior to 11.0.5 you didn’t take it
umbral sierra
does icy even get updated
umbral sierra
doesnt whyspyr do both
latent warren
Does anyone know how big of a difference the double dawnthread embel is compared to weapon + writhing embel is for mythic plus ?
latent warren
Ok ok thanks
cobalt relic
Like maybe 0.1% damage overall or something lol
latent warren
I like to play sub in baby weekly keys cause things die way to fast now but like to push on assa and was worried about swapping my embels but I’ll just stick to weapon and writhing then
novel star
Does anyone know how big of a difference the double dawnthread embel is compared...
it’s not huge
difference between dawnthread and radiant is a lot bigger in keys than raid tho
but it’s still not like
big big
cobalt relic
It's still under 1%
novel star
you can do whatever
and vibe
or sorry
i meant a lot bigger in keys
other way around
still tho. not that bad
ornate wagon
Guys what poisons do I apply please I seem to have 6? Ty
cobalt relic
I've been running double Focusing Lens all tier because I wasn't sure what spec I'd be playing. It's an extremely tiny difference
latent warren
It's still under 1%
What’s focusing lens?
latent warren
Oh I thought the play was to run double dawnthread for keys
subtle tundra
it is
but embellishments are small %
very small
and the diff between the is even smaller
cobalt relic
Yeah, Focusing was the idea for keys at beginning of expansion. I just never swapped
Because it's so small
static glacier
Oh I thought the play was to run double dawnthread for keys
Hot take, vers thread is better, ima take like 2% dr over a bit more dps
latent warren
lol idk I’m still kinda new at assa but honestly I don’t disagree with that statement
static glacier
you play vers flask?
Nah, but I could / would if I needed to
Difference between crit / vers thread for me was within error
cobalt relic
Guys what poisons do I apply please I seem to have 6? Ty
I assume you're running Dragon Tempered Blades at the bottom middle of the Assassination tree for double poisons. So It'll be Deadly Poison, Amplifying Poison, Crippling Poison, and either Atrophic or Mind Numbing depending on which you took
Feint should protect you from 99% of one shots lol, rogues are susceptible to rot damage, especially without cloak, not really big one shot hits
ornate wagon
I assume you're running Dragon Tempered Blades at the bottom middle of the Assas...
Thanks so much mate appreciate that loads ♥️👍
royal lantern
I don't click it I just mouse over, is that an issue tho lol
the REAL way to use mousover is to hover over a teammate and press step, just for 1pixel of the boss hitbox to be in the way and blink behind the boss and then die
ornate wagon
I assume you're running Dragon Tempered Blades at the bottom middle of the Assas...
So wound poison and instant poison remove them from pop up bar yeah mate?
cobalt relic
So wound poison and instant poison remove them from pop up bar yeah mate?
If you want. For PvE you'll never use it.
ornate wagon
If you want. For PvE you'll never use it.
Thanks mate 👍👍
balmy condor
2% dr thats not active when low hp
novel star
shrug
subtle tundra
i dont think it is
dim yacht
me going to 81% hp and then living a bolt at 1% through elu feint
tell your group to stop missing kicks
novel star
probably not yea
novel star
tell your group to stop missing kicks
pug strats u wouldn’t get it
dim yacht
yeah i would, im living in gb/sv prison 😦
crimson nova
sorry if dumb question but should i be waiting for 7 cp to envenom or prioritize it once i get to 5, other than when i need to use the hero talent proc
crimson nova
that could explain why i struggle on shorter pulls
novel star
build below 5 finish above 5
crimson nova
i'm probably waiting too long
novel star
ye prolly
crimson nova
ok thanks
so strategem is just talented because sometimes we get to use those extra points then
novel star
so strategem is just talented because sometimes we get to use those extra points...
kinda yea
less overcapping happens
crimson nova
cool very helpful thanks
between that and going back to sudden demise i should be a little better for my 10s
novel star
gl soldier 🫡
vestal wren
so strategem is just talented because sometimes we get to use those extra points...
stratagem gives passive finisher damage too
it is in general one of the "op" talents
smoky helm
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crimson nova
yeah makes sense, i think i just was assuming that meant always use maxx cp envenoms and i probably am missing out on a few casts of it per pull
subtle tundra
He writes good smut
fair
subtle tundra
it is in general one of the "op" talents
i hope it gets removed
ideally 2nd gets removed, and first becomes less of a lock-in talent
vestal wren
it is a consequence of getting so many talents reworked
assassiantion just had a lot of effort put into making most talents good
so some are now op
subtle tundra
dont mind op ones when they are op in conjunction with other stuff
so we have clear builds
not a jumble of mandatory talents and then take whatever eles
vestal wren
would you like the sub approach
where many talents just rot because they are bad
both have their advantage, sub has one clear talent for each content
while assasssination can now tailor talents to a very high degree
subtle tundra
true
but i havent thought about this
i just hate 7cp gameplay
i looked at SL gameplay without DS, so 5cp gameplay
and it felt smoother
vestal wren
but supercharger is also a lot better
or crimson
its not one directional, having good talents is a blessing and a curse
umbral sierra
how good is sv hunters in keys rn?
want to double check im not trolling by taking one into a 10
shy creek
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subtle tundra
want to double check im not trolling by taking one into a 10
its a 10....
take the guy with the best score and gear
-.-
umbral sierra
well it was a 620 sv hunter vs a 622 enhance
subtle tundra
idk fotm rerollers cant play the game
they take the whole patch to play a spec mediocrely and then change the class
umbral sierra
true
coarse summit
can someone explain the desynced deathmark and kingsbane at the start of silken court? i dont really get it
cobalt relic
Yeah. Scarab charges, gets webbed, you blast
subtle tundra
so they get 30% nature dmg increase i guess
for kb pop
(you do already, but this way even more)
idk i havent played court
cobalt relic
It just looks like a mistake to me tbh
subtle tundra
its a mistake if its 1 guy
but if so many do, there must be a reason
and thats my only explanation
coarse summit
maybe getting the 30% is better if you cant send the third kingsbane on cd anyways
cobalt relic
Looks like slightly more do it when you'd expect than the early DM. My only explanation would be when the boss jumps away they want the DM on for extra damage while not in melee range? Maybe for the energy to pool for more envenoms during the amp? I have no idea
vestal wren
want to double check im not trolling by taking one into a 10
if he is good geared and has experience, 10s are not that brutal so take em
subtle tundra
Looks like slightly more do it when you'd expect than the early DM. My only expl...
none of those are reason enough
cobalt relic
I have a really hard time believing 30% nature damage is worth more than an entire second KB from DM doubling it lol.
subtle tundra
I have a really hard time believing 30% nature damage is worth more than an enti...
dm doesnt double kb
only interaction is more poison procs
which you should get anyways
coarse summit
makes the trinket timing wierd aswell
harsh violet
!wa
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harsh violet
Is there a weak aura to help with kingsbane times? like when to shiv, when to thistle?
iron carbon
In LE's collection
coarse summit
do you get to cleave on both bosses more if you deathmark early maybe?
iron carbon
I think a progress bar still exist
subtle tundra
nah im right its for the 30% nature dmg
low ruin
i'm sure it's simply so the double dots from deathmark are applied before the charge so they are alrdy ticking when the dmg amp starts for maximum uptime. and KB is applied in the dmg amp
fierce bison
Is there a weak aura to help with kingsbane times? like when to shiv, when to th...
LE's WA is really good, and has this
iron carbon
Tbh, LE's wa is insane
harsh violet
ta guys
iron carbon
I was wondering to switch to it by I'm too used of mine to change
novel star
i'm sure it's simply so the double dots from deathmark are applied before the ch...
that’s not how dm works
as soon as deathmark ends the doubled bleeds disappear
coarse summit
Ig it's just for more nature dmg during damage amp
novel star
it’s for the nature damage hero talent as varas said
stacking % effects
giga amp
makes enuf sense to me
iron carbon
as soon as deathmark ends the doubled bleeds disappear
He didn't it was not the case
arctic tusk
and its 1 less gcd for when he charges back
cobalt relic
Still looks like more people are just using them together rather than trying to desync. The difference has to be extremely minimal
arctic tusk
isnt it the same exact chinese player
novel star
He didn't it was not the case
?
arctic tusk
doing parse runs
novel star
confused by what ur saying
coarse summit
It's not one guy, it's like half the top parses
novel star
who didn’t do what, what wasn’t the case
iron carbon
You tell him that DM do not work like he said
arctic tusk
It's not one guy, it's like half the top parses
thats what im saying
one guy
selling parse runs
on others acc
novel star
You tell him that DM do not work like he said
yeah cause it doesn’t
if you send dm 15 seconds before the amp starts you’re not getting any doubled bleeds in the amp lol
iron carbon
yeah cause it doesn’t
Unless I missed something and I apologise in that case, he was speaking about the DM shiv KB sequence
low ruin
that’s not how dm works
yep fair point i didn't check the timings, just have and noticed they are doing it early enough that DM barely overlaps the dmg amps doing it this way so yes agreed im talking out my backside.
novel star
were talking about court damage amp timings
iron carbon
So why shiv after DM and before KB
iron carbon
and people sending dm 15 seconds before kb
Ooooooh, apologies
novel star
not normal cd usage stuff
hardy dagger
selling parse runs
novel star
ye all good
novel star
yep fair point i didn't check the timings, just have and noticed they are doing ...
i think the damage difference is prolly small as fuck but yea it’s just for the deathstalker talent that buffs ur nature damage after dm falls off
nothing else makes sense
if it was like 2 seconds before the charge it’d be for the extra gcd exclusively but
it isn’t
arctic tusk
its just a cooldown to send while they are stacked
subtle tundra
could also be, as that guy said, just 1 guy boosting cause its chinaman
hardy dagger
Chinese logs
novel star
if it was like 2 seconds before the charge it’d be for the extra gcd exclusively...
i might do this tho
hardy dagger
They sure love em
novel star
hardy dagger
Never gonna forget the 79 buffed spriest on sylvanas
harsh violet
What's this and how do i make it not glow?
I've just come from playing outlaw and i've no clue on the hero talents for assa
blazing pumice
means it isn't applied
novel star
deathstalkers mark not being active
you have to ambush in that case
or half your hero tree doesn’t exist
iron carbon
What's this and how do i make it not glow?
I've just come from playing outlaw an...
Read it then
novel star
yeah pretty much that
harsh violet
weird, cause i did ambush
subtle tundra
while in stealth?
harsh violet
garotte, ambush then rupture
iron carbon
Nope
harsh violet
ah so don't open garotte anymore?
iron carbon
You need to be stealthed
subtle tundra
weird
iron carbon
To apply mark
subtle tundra
how did you ambush
iron carbon
Unless u run subterfuge
balmy condor
how did you ambush
Secret blindside proc hidden in sock
harsh violet
nah i don't so i open ambush and vanish ambush then? I didn't read improved garotte properly
novel star
you don’t vanish ambush
iron carbon
No, just open ambush
novel star
but you do open ambush
harsh violet
ah okay, and then rely on the blindside ambush procs?
novel star
improved garrote is a 6 second window to use
novel star
ah okay, and then rely on the blindside ambush procs?
no, read the hero tree please
iron carbon
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