assassination

[subtle tundra]

sjdasiufaindjkerngoj

[lethal arrow]

could just run 4 prot pallies and a healer

[keen spruce]

stg i'm gonna punch u in the mouth

with my mouth

[mint urchin]

Just get a 5th prot at that point

[oak tangle]

bring back old belf racial

[keen spruce]

so tru

[subtle tundra]

meow,meow,meow

[oak tangle]

belf prot pala

[keen spruce]

we were like 1m off GB 15 cuz of random deaths

[quiet oar]

I remember 5 Tank keys in DF

they were fun

[oak tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/ascending-energy-galaxy-gif-17739196

[quiet oar]

Back when Tanks were tanky

[quiet oar]

Have you tried not dying?

[keen spruce]

I uh

may have forgot to feint a dragon boss knockback

but it was basically dead already

and i got punched in the head by an overseer

cuz tricks dumb and

idk

maybe i'm just bad

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/hector-bud-spencer-bonk-punch-shut-up-gif-19792424

[keen spruce]

but i'm failing upwards

[quiet oar]

You use Tricks?

[keen spruce]

ye

[quiet oar]

Isnt Black Jack better in higher keys?

[keen spruce]

maybe

depends

[quiet oar]

or mpre general

Tricks does nothing on sin

[subtle tundra]

i often do blind for aoe DR

idk how helpful it is

but i do

[keen spruce]

normally stuff is getting chain cc'd so you don't really get full value from blackjack

and sometimes you wanna go hit stuff that hasn't been tagged during the gather

and sometimes tanks are bad

so tricks is safer

but i ran BJ for a while

would randomly get bonked

[subtle tundra]

wait thats huge

[keen spruce]

and it didn't keep tanks from dying

[subtle tundra]

15 gb is hard

[keen spruce]

yeah it's a toughy

woulda been huge stonks

[subtle tundra]

youre huge!

[keen spruce]

then our tank forgot to change talents on the 14

and got absolutely farmed

[subtle tundra]

hard tank key

yep

[keen spruce]

got 15 siege before DB and mist

so much free io floating around

[runic hinge]

You’re a casual

[keen spruce]

if i wasn't a casual

I would have more 15s done

[wispy epoch]

15?!?

[subtle tundra]

siege is easier than db and mists

[wispy epoch]

How’re people doing 15s 😭

[subtle tundra]

unless youre bad at last boss

[keen spruce]

siege low key did feel pretty easy

[subtle tundra]

it really is

[keen spruce]

it's just very fuck-up-able

[blazing pumice]

same

[keen spruce]

timer super cozy

I did it witha devoker

[subtle tundra]

until you get to last boss...

[blazing pumice]

we've bricked multiple aras to the trash after 2nd boss

[subtle tundra]

on 16 siege i died last boss twice

[blazing pumice]

multiple mists to the trash before first boss/first boss

[keen spruce]

we call banana land the valley of unhappiness

[quiet oar]

Skill Issue

[subtle tundra]

both times through feint
first time i was low hp cause tank paladin steals my hp
2nd time i got straight up 1 shot through feint from the debuff

from full hp

[royal lantern]

redirect the dot to the DK silly

[subtle tundra]

nice game

[blazing pumice]

i nearly got one shot last night with evasion/feint up

[subtle tundra]

let me reroll

[quiet oar]

Have you tried

[blazing pumice]

maybe they will nerf idk

[quiet oar]

Cloaking everytime you get it

[subtle tundra]

i cloak your balls

in my mouth

[quiet oar]

[keen spruce]

time to get stam gems

[runic hinge]

Full verse gems

[subtle tundra]

vers flask + atrophic

should be ok!

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/kool-aid-man-oh-yeah-wall-break-family-guy-gif-8149689

someone say gems?

[subtle tundra]

i was playing mind numbing

[quiet oar]

OH NO

[subtle tundra]

maybe not the play

[blazing pumice]

does atrophic even affect it

cuz you can't hit the boss

[quiet oar]

You have summoned Lisonna

[subtle tundra]

oh........

uhhhhh

[quiet oar]

Dont use the word with G

[subtle tundra]

i guess not

ecsdee

[quiet oar]

Throw knife

[blazing pumice]

i run numbing on basically every key

[subtle tundra]

same

[blazing pumice]

cuz most of the deadly shit is enviro

mists dmg is all enviro

[royal lantern]

talking about mist

[runic gorge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[royal lantern]

the visual fix for the last boss puddles also finally made them change on color blind mode

I CAN SEE THE OUTLINES

[slate crown]

🎉

[quiet oar]

But the big boss AOE still clips into the ground

Took them 4 years to fix it

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/deer-interview-it-goes-without-saying-gif-12669775144079688963

[runic hinge]

Been home for 5 minutes stu already being bad

[edgy token]

Just did a COT (which we didnt finish, stop at 2nd boss) and my dps profile looks wayyy other than top logs. Can someone maybe help me and tell me what i am doing wrong?

[keen spruce]

you spatter should be highest

by a lot

well not a lot

but it should be highest

envenom also very low

[keen spruce]

how long did your bosses take for this to occur

[brisk forge]

XD

[runic hinge]

Not long that was a 2 chested 9 mists LOL

[rotund oak]

yo..

details on smol keys are rly memie

[edgy token]

1. 2:28 2. 2:57

[keen spruce]

oh did you have ooga burstmelee stealin all of your dmg?

[runic hinge]

Enhance and frost mage

[keen spruce]

oh taht was to to tony

[rotund oak]

yup makes sense

[brisk forge]

Cant link 9s man 😩

[runic hinge]

yeah everything died pretty fast as it was lol

[edgy token]

this was the overall and this enhancer flamed me, that my bleeds are too high

[runic hinge]

yeah I'm meming

[edgy token]

therefore i wanted to know what i was doing wrong

[runic hinge]

tell him his overall is too low

[subtle tundra]

the enhancer needs to play himself

[keen spruce]

enhancer should fkin break 1m before flaming anyone

[cobalt sphinx]

gonna need a log

[runic hinge]

worry about his own ass

[keen spruce]

[subtle tundra]

most broken dps in a long time

[novel star]

probably low spatter uptime

[keen spruce]

I see you have an augmentation warrior too

[novel star]

or just not enough envenoms

but meh

[quiet oar]

Enhancers are fucking out of line

[novel star]

u gapped his ass and he’s mad ab it

[keen spruce]

melee mages man

[cursive knoll]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[keen spruce]

"HOLD YOUR SPYMASTERS FOR MY ACENDANCE"

[edgy token]

So i shouldnt worry too much?

[keen spruce]

"PULL BIG I HAVE ACENDANCE"

[faint mica]

Do any of you know if they fixed the craft ring thingy to get two rings to 636?

[keen spruce]

"PI ON MY CDS"

"WHEN IS BREATH UP?!"

[edgy token]

nope they didnt, atleast a priest told me today

[keen spruce]

they did not as far as I know

[keen spruce]

i'm sure there would be a post about it

[quiet oar]

Imagine Blizzard reworking WIndwalker taking their huge AOE

and make them last place in raids too

[subtle tundra]

uh enha doesnt have spyma

thats ele

[cobalt sphinx]

that's what you tell the aug

spymasters aug is busted

[subtle tundra]

ok thank god my ww dps isnt awful cause im bad
its cause im bad and ww is bad

[quiet oar]

They have to kill Spymasters for next season

[subtle tundra]

well

[quiet oar]

otherwise it stays bis

[subtle tundra]

spymaster really strong

until you die

and then its so dogshit

[quiet oar]

Kyveza

[subtle tundra]

so im bad and ww is bad

[hardy dagger]

It's joever time to go outlaw

[subtle tundra]

yes

it does no st

no aoe

[cobalt sphinx]

ww goes crazy with PI

you just need PI

[subtle tundra]

its mega fun with 2 billion haste

but you need 2 billion haste

[cobalt sphinx]

our windwalker is randomly doing 1.5m on single target bosses like coaglamation because of PI

[balmy condor]

Outlaw rogues will tell you the spec is in the worst spot in years

[runic hinge]

think of the flow

[grim jay]

Whats even worse is how can outlaw ever be meta in m+ with target cap

And something something no acro something something

Something something higher apm = more difficult = should by default be stronger something something

[grim jay]

The rework in itself was pretty cool ngl, sadly the numbers..

[balmy condor]

It’s like a cult

[grim jay]

Its definitely close to as stupid. Saying relatively high apm is difficult in a game where apm overall just isnt high is pretty oof. Like the secretary granny back in middle school had more apm than any spec in WoW requires

[royal lantern]

sub saying the entire expansion how weak sub is, and now its suddely "oh if they nerf assa a bit sub is #1 everywhere again :3"

[balmy condor]

To be fair sub and dust have been fighting for a while and the spec is real whack

[royal lantern]

ye sure

removing dust was imo a step in the right direction

[grim jay]

Ye but wait until the burst spec wont have a 1.5 min CD trinket

[novel star]

fake specs

[royal lantern]

"how can Outlaw, the spec that waa so deeply connected with m+ because it is a meta pick for the mode almost all the time, ever be meta cus of targeg caps????"

[limber lion]

I would vote for you

[grim jay]

Whispyr for president?

[slate crown]

fundamental problems are still there along with bugs but current state feels much more intuitive and fun, would recommend

[grim jay]

Exactly like that, if anyone of them ever would type out a full message

[slate crown]

[royal lantern]

yeha sure, it was only 1step and still needs much cooking, but it atleast started to go somewhere at all

[grim jay]

I still see the trinket issue being really annoying potentially. I still dont know why they cant just make 1 stat on use per tier where you can like adjust the cd (with lower/higher stats of course) through sockets or smth

[balmy condor]

||couldn’t be worse than what we just got||

[grim jay]

Based

And you will get hate for that

[royal lantern]

it can always go even worse

[slate crown]

[grim jay]

I might even take T over what we had in yermany

Just from a well-being of the country standpoint

[slate crown]

It's ok I'm just ||re-upping all my documents|| we good we good

[grim jay]

But idk if it could get any worse than that for america in this case

[royal lantern]

can you give me uppies

[slate crown]

I can't give anyone anything rn

sry

[royal lantern]

[subtle oyster]

It could. Imagine vance being the actual president instead of the vice nobody cares about.

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/king-woolz-king-woolz-kingwoolz-funny-gif-14572129089141306993

[grim jay]

Idk if anyone would vote for that guy

[slate crown]

Vote?

[grim jay]

Well nvm, anyone as in enough people

[slate crown]

Whats that

[subtle oyster]

You asked for a worse scenario :p not whether anyone would be that deranged to vote for him.

[slate crown]

anyways

[grim jay]

The thing that obviously got influenced if T is on the losing end

@balmy condor you need to smuggle american goods to me if it turns out as bad as it could

[oak tangle]

who's gonna buy all our wine, if USA is gonna emphasize exports

[grim jay]

Dont think they will cut down on their necessities.

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/wwe-john-cena-are-you-sure-about-that-gif-16752399

[oak tangle]

"we're gonna make our own.... again"

[grim jay]

Some things are better left to the OGs

[keen spruce]

no the aug's spymasters

[oak tangle]

my country isn't even the og's, but the USA bought our wine when china was all like, "we're banning all things australian, cause your leader criticised us for covid" and then they bought our coal from third parties at increased rates lol

[grim jay]

I'd like to laugh about that

But we stopped certain ways of production, just to buy the stuff off of countries that produce it that exact same way

[oak tangle]

china found out the hard way just how much they rely on coal stocks from the rest of the world to keep their production running

[subtle tundra]

oh thats why you have upside down name

youre australian

[oak tangle]

🙂

[subtle tundra]

im sɐɹɐΛ, cheesed to meet you

https://tenor.com/view/uhh-cheesed-to-meet-you-gif-22801166

[grim jay]

Looks like the making of a Burrito

[slate crown]

Yeh they have to make their the bottom of their names are facing the right way or they’ll fall off

[oak tangle]

gravity hits different down here

you guys get pulled towards something, but you and i? we're being pulled towards each other

[balmy condor]

Deregulated monster cans with 700 grams of sugar and 5 carcinogens hell yeah 🦅

[grim jay]

Crank the carcinogens up to 100

But I want it sugar free please

[oak tangle]

why not drinking the monster zeros tho

[balmy condor]

Not the American way brother

[subtle tundra]

they have cancer sugar still

😋

[amber brook]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwA6RDEmORQ

[subtle tundra]

whispyr wet dream

make it for assa now

[keen spruce]

i have

bricked the 15gb to 14 gb to 13gb

then rerolled it to a 13 ara

then ++'d it to a 15gb

https://tenor.com/view/pain-gif-18457460

[drifting cloud]

thats what you get you m+ main

remember you did this to yourself

[subtle tundra]

well now you have experience in 15 grimba

and can time it!

we have 18 and 17 grimbas...

sunday will be a tough fucking day

[keen spruce]

that sounds like a

try again next week angle

[drifting cloud]

isnt 17 grimba wf key

[subtle tundra]

it is

[keen spruce]

pretty sure

[subtle tundra]

we want 16

we are not physchos

[keen spruce]

i just want a 15 db and mist smh

[drifting cloud]

do you go in on 17 to practice or just lower

[keen spruce]

actually literally any key 2 keys would get me 3200

[drifting cloud]

[keen spruce]

gotta send the big bois

[subtle tundra]

im 3 off 3.4k

[keen spruce]

limit test

[subtle tundra]

aaaa

[keen spruce]

gotta pre-damage your mental

to dull the pain of bricking the 16s

[drifting cloud]

gz on 17 varas, when 18?

[subtle tundra]

we go 2x 16

[drifting cloud]

[subtle tundra]

17 is unrealistic

[subtle tundra]

when we are full bis

[drifting cloud]

do you think theyre done with m+ tuning for the season

[subtle tundra]

only thing to do is nerf enha

and nerf dungeons by 2.5% or smth

[keen spruce]

go ahead and give me another 90s

[subtle tundra]

no

remove 3 minutes from the timer and remove death penalties

xd?

[drifting cloud]

thats in 2029

[keen spruce]

I'd be fine if they left it as is if enh get's clipped

[drifting cloud]

like how long it took them to remove sanguine and shit

literal day1 affix

do you think they made the affix just becaose of how much you could die in df dungeons

but now the dungeons are hard enough without that affix so it just feels extra bad

[nimble flower]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[drifting cloud]

and then ofc put it on +7 so you fuck over semi-casual m+ people aswell

[hollow river]

remove the timer altogether

[subtle tundra]

what about a timer going down, a timer going up

[cobalt sphinx]

Remove the death penalty, bring the whole dungeon to the respawn point and spam rez on it

[balmy condor]

I'm bricked

[thin plinth]

guys at ilvl 630 im stuck at average 1.7mil overall on most dungeons... what to do to take my dps to the next lvl (2+ mil overall)

even 2 mil is low compared to some streamers i checked out but still

[subtle tundra]

play better

nothing to go on to

you wont do the dmg streamers do cause they have optimized the route for dmg

[harsh ravine]

Hi, I have one question about dps opti, do we must be above 50% energy upon reapplying any dot ? I was watching high rogue and they weren't doing it everytimes so it makes me doubt

[cobalt sphinx]

You’re fine to ignore it

It’ll be active on aoe

[hollow river]

it should work dynamically iirc, the amount of energy you have at the time of applying the bleed shouldn't matter

[rotund oak]

a king never backs down,those mfk@rs are nothing

[runic hinge]

You’re so right

[subtle tundra]

🗣️

[rotund oak]

take some Zilla dope

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qalBq10vkp8

[thin plinth]

So to maximize single target dmg we should aim to be above 50% enegry most of the time for sanguine blades to work?

[jade carbon]

@thin plinth or you can just dont run sanguine blades at all and play like you feel 🙂

[harsh ravine]

mh alright, thats what I thought so seeing yarrgirr play

[harsh ravine]

alright I got it ! ty

[subtle tundra]

idk if the logic changed,but you want to be BELOW 50% so it doesnt eat energy

xd!

[final star]

TRUE LOL!

[novel star]

game bad

v v bad

[jade carbon]

I've got a question, maybe someone already checked it for yourself, but is it worth to drop crafted ascension dagger (636) for "bis" myth weapons kukri + regicide and swap to dawnthread? My sims are kinda meh and shows that this change will result in like -0.5% dps loss (st), but maybe with a bit different stats distribution after getting another few items it'll be actually better?

[novel star]

bis doesn’t really matter and embellishments don’t really matter that much either

[rotund oak]

sim is the answer but if u want more flexibility dawnthread x2 is a better all-arounder.Generally Embelishments suck,i wouldnt rly lose my mind over it

[novel star]

you probably have something better to spend ur crests on

[drifting cloud]

youre just equipping +3 higher ilvl dagger to drop -3 lvl on a different piece assuming myth track, if you wanna swap embelishments for more general use thats fine but you wont see noticable gains in general

[snow hamlet]

Does follow blood work now?

[jade carbon]

thanks for the advice

[rotund oak]

u r welcome fam

[latent ruin]

What setup do you guys use to sim m+ ?

[royal lantern]

always did?

its just bad

[royal lantern]

dungeon slice

[latent ruin]

ty

[clever sapphire]

dungeon slice and disable all raidbuffs

because i aint running a 20 man key

[clever sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/knighthood-memes-gandalf-lo-tr-fly-fools-gif-19006925

(there is a pinned message about that and i just had to use this gif)

[snow hamlet]

ty

[jade carbon]

i've seen it lol, but im too fomo person, so wanted to doublecheck

[spice spire]

Sup

[normal mist]

Did someone type !craft already?

[ancient tangle]

pre-potting is dead now isn't it guys ? why do i see some spec still prepotting like ret or dh ?

[royal lantern]

prepotting is dead since BfA lol

and thank god for that

[ancient tangle]

yes i meant is it still dead x)

[hard garnet]

anyone know of a good mouseover kick macro which doesn't mess around with your current focus?

[glossy grove]

Guys, I have the choice between skardyns on 639, and transmitter on 639, what would you choose? Sim is 3k higher on transmitter

[hard garnet]

transmitter

[worthy wraith]

/cast [@mouseover, exists][] Kick

[hard garnet]

much higher chance each week to get a skardyns due to 3 slots

[hard garnet]

legend thanks

[worthy wraith]

First brackets will be used, then second if 1st one doesnt work

[glossy grove]

but if i have transmitter i dont need skardyns anymore right

[worthy wraith]

I use this macro for garrote,rupture,kidney shot, etc

You can add "nodead" and/or "harm"

[harsh ravine]

I'd like to only see my rupture / garrot on plater's debuff, I added poisons by ID to the black list but it doesn't seem to work. How do you do to track your raptures / garrots on multiple targets ?

[clever sapphire]

skardyns, 3k is not worth the shitshow of transmitter

you also cant mess up skardyns

[hard garnet]

good point I forgot both were on use

[worthy wraith]

Click "manual" instead of automatic, then add the debuffs you want

[hard garnet]

Yeah I would say skardyns

[glossy grove]

Alright

[dawn heath]

do u guys use at cursor distract?

[clever sapphire]

i would only say transmitter if you plan on playing subrogue

[dawn heath]

or natty

[clever sapphire]

at cursor, you wont catch me clicking

[worldly sail]

natty distract

prime it and then click when needed

[glossy grove]

Well im assa atm, but we're at the 7th boss now, so maybe i would swap to sub at queen?

[clever sapphire]

me priming it is holding ctrl

[clever sapphire]

im not qualified to answer that because i have no clue about which spec is better at the last 2 bosses

but if you plan on playing sub transmitter is better

but skardyns all the way if you are assa only

fuck the minigame

[glossy grove]

logs are saying, assa for 7th boss. 8th boss is 70% sub 30% assa

[clever sapphire]

so boths fine

[glossy grove]

y

[clever sapphire]

play what you prefer

[glossy grove]

Well then its going to be skardyns

tyvm

but

i also have spyglass with avoidance ❤️

XD

[normal mist]

The mini game gets annoying after some casts

[glossy grove]

true

[quiet oar]

Literally unplayable

[normal mist]

Fuck transmitter

[quiet oar]

God i wish i was the transmitter

[clever sapphire]

skardyns is your bis bis, the 2nd trinket can be any other stat trinket pretty much

[normal mist]

Expected and not disappointed

[clever sapphire]

be it arakara/siege/dawn trinket

[glossy grove]

alright

tyty

[hard garnet]

does anyone know the buff for mutilated flesh on plater bc I can't seem to remove mine

[lyric grail]

in raid do we go double ironclaw whetstone or bubbling wax?

[clever sapphire]

bubbling wax only on mainhand if you are running it, it doesnt stack

[lyric grail]

nice ty is it like a only raid thing or useful in m+ too?

[clever sapphire]

i run it in keys too because im a cheapskate, i think its kinda around the same in power level

[midnight mist]

it kinda is tho, it doing damage on a 100% uptime fight doesnt change the fact the spec has never been as fucked by downtime fights. Like outlaw got a worse damage profile from s3 onward (still very fun tho) while sub/sin have gotten way better damage profiles since df and it has been improving more and more with every tier/expac

[clever sapphire]

so you wont notice a big difference in dmg if you run different weapon thingies

[balmy condor]

Dog it’s 3am there’s no way you’re Ctrl+Fing outlaw

[lyric grail]

ty my friend

[brave stump]

Lets go zac Tell him

[clever sapphire]

i mean technically its not even midday at some places (aka for me)

[lyric grail]

anyone knows how to fix my role assign i tried now multiple times to change it to assa but sub always comes back somehow

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-cat-yap-yapper-yapping-gif-5642199211123099306

[balmy condor]

Like yeah no shit outlaw doesn’t have burst

That’s your spec

GG

[clever sapphire]

do you mean that you are always blue or that even if you take sub role away you get the sub role back

[lyric grail]

yes

[midnight mist]

its actually 11:45 am, and i was reading chat and saw tira answer your message

[midnight mist]

and its not about burst

[clever sapphire]

well thats a bit weird because i sure as hell dont know what you said yes to 🤣

[midnight mist]

and everytimne i explain it to one of you guys

[clever sapphire]

if its about the blue part, thats because sub is probably above assa in the role settings

[midnight mist]

you seem to just insta forget

[lyric grail]

to the sub role getting back

[clever sapphire]

and the higher role gets shown

[midnight mist]

or ignore it

on purpose

[clever sapphire]

ah thats weird, never heard of that happening before

[midnight mist]

look at s1 outlaw on razageth, spec worked fine

current outlaw on razageth is omega cringe

even if you tune it higher than s1 outalw was

(s1 df)

[rotund oak]

sub

[midnight mist]

You guys like to clown on outlaw players complaining about outlaw performance

But outlaw has never been played in raid for like 3 expac now

And it only got worse so

[royal lantern]

outlaw on average had the best rogue raid performance outside of SL where it was Sub dominance lol

[midnight mist]

When

I'm sorry

What

[royal lantern]

like, just cus it often was kinda mid for the last 1-2 Fights of a tier doesnt mean its unplayable bad

[deft vault]

Its been pretty sub heavy for the past 2 expac

[midnight mist]

Well I guess it's fine that it's bad on every relevant boss I guess

[deft vault]

Dragonflight was sub all the way thru if i remember right

[midnight mist]

Outlaw is good on first boss that dies in 4 pulls

[lyric grail]

does anyone know where the sub - trickster comes from? i didnt pick it?

[midnight mist]

Outlaw is good on heroic weeks actually

Can't complain

[balmy condor]

The pins in sub

[harsh ravine]

ty

[lyric grail]

ty it worked

[rotund oak]

Sub generally performs better in coordinated groups etc.Its a specc that maximizes output knowing when to send cds n stuff but not rly.Sin and Pirate was there,it was just sub being so powerful and the raid fights generally fit most sub criteria

outlaw is mongospaming,no uptime means it suffers

acro loss just added more to the pirate drama

[umbral sierra]

ninjas>pirates

[midnight mist]

acro just made outlaw fun, its a very frustrating spec to be missing gcds on (be it from dodging or simply mobs micro moving from tank), and acro made that a non issue

[rotund oak]

pirate is a pvp thing now,least thats how it seems

[midnight mist]

i still dont understand why some non outlaw players seemed to be happy about the loss of acro

jst a straight up removal of fun for the game but eh

[umbral sierra]

what did acro even do

[rotund oak]

melee range

[ancient tangle]

was a bit overpowered for dodging mechanics no ?

[umbral sierra]

melee range?

[rotund oak]

yes added yards to melee atks

[umbral sierra]

oh

see u just said melee range not what it did to it

[rotund oak]

made outlaw so much more powerful coz it could maintain higher uptime

[umbral sierra]

ah

[midnight mist]

it didnt make outlaw so much more powerful lol

outlaw is just annoying to play now compared to before

[umbral sierra]

i mean

oh i cant hit boss bc i have debuff and gotta move out a bit. oh i can still hit him 10 yrds away

[midnight mist]

it was +3 yard

[umbral sierra]

seems like it makes it powerful

[rotund oak]

it wasnt 10,more like 3

[umbral sierra]

melee range is 8 no?

[midnight mist]

ye thats why outlaw was so op when it had acro

kekw

[oak tangle]

but we all had it

[rotund oak]

it just made outlaw continue pumping

and dodge mechanics

it was rly the core node of the spec coz it enabled it to function

less uptime less dmg less cdr

less outlaw

[next dust]

Imagine outlaw with Acro and the recent bug kekw

[midnight mist]

I think you overestimate how much damage you lose from missing like 10 GCD in a fight

It's just frustrating especially on outlaw

It wasn't op

It was fun

And the main thing about acro isn't even about dodging stuffs

[rotund oak]

ye prolly would sht on everything else by a mile

[umbral sierra]

10 gcd is 10 seconds of a 2 min fight where u do 0 damage

[midnight mist]

It's about staying in melee

[oak tangle]

i wonder why they removed acro from us though, i enjoyed it on sin

[umbral sierra]

thats a 17% damage loss

[midnight mist]

When you can't know where melee is

Aka m+

[oak tangle]

especially considering they gave paladins extra melee range

[midnight mist]

You are targeting a random nameplate

You have no idea where that nameplate is

Tank moves 1 millimeter

suddently you cant hit for no reason

[umbral sierra]

u cant see the big ogre dude ur targeting in the middle of the pack?

[midnight mist]

ah a delusional player

mb

[next dust]

I think people that haven’t played outlaw that much can’t understand how important was for acro to stay

[midnight mist]

you prolly never miss a single gcd

cause you are a god gamer

or smth

[umbral sierra]

yeah but while this is pve discord it caused inconsistencies with which melee is melee and which is ranged and inconsistencies in pvp

[midnight mist]

it still is inconsistent tho

[umbral sierra]

im not saying u dont miss a gcd, im just saying how tf do u not know which mob u are hitting

lack of game sense

[midnight mist]

why can certain range cast while moving

[cerulean maple]

acro removal is so dumb it just feels awkward now for a spec that is expected to have near perfect uptime to funciton

[midnight mist]

why does some range have half their abilities insta cast

[umbral sierra]

requires ability cds to do so

[midnight mist]

why does some melees have range attakcs

or longer attacks

or aoe that dont require melee

look at sub

you can shuriken/bp

without being in melee

at like 10 yard from a pack

[subtle tundra]

if you do, youre bad

[midnight mist]

plenty of specs like that

how is that consistent

[umbral sierra]

some abilities yes and thats fine

[midnight mist]

you are acting like every spec is the same

[cerulean maple]

queen ansurek moment having to run out the big swirl

[midnight mist]

and function the same

[subtle tundra]

youre just bad

[cerulean maple]

????

[subtle tundra]

you need to actually learn to play

[cerulean maple]

bro who shat in your cereal this morning

[umbral sierra]

but when the MELEE HUR DUR WARRIOR is slaming A "MELEE RANGE" ABILITY not a "8 yrd range ability" no it says "Melee" from across the map

u get issues

[novel star]

[subtle tundra]

the frenchie

zachie

[umbral sierra]

like with the old hit boxes and tauren hitting shit through walls and pillars

[cerulean maple]

take it out on ur pillow not random people on the internet

[midnight mist]

what

[umbral sierra]

i mean ur bitching about outlaw mechs in the assa channel

[midnight mist]

i have no idea what you are saying now

[next dust]

Did you just call yourself random ?

[cerulean maple]

bc i am

[rotund oak]

it didnt need perfect uptime but it does love uptime.Its practically almost impossible to have 100% for whatever reason but ye,its a specc that feeds from itself.Sub does that as well,just not as much as outlaw.Outlaw escapes common sense with high uptime,its a spec that never stops pumping

[next dust]

Okay

[subtle tundra]

i only take it out on the pillow in the night

[midnight mist]

i answered to assa players clowning on outlaw

[marble hemlock]

We'll all return to dust one day (shadow dust), why y'all hating so much?

[umbral sierra]

a true lad

[cerulean maple]

anyway i came here to ask if simming bubbling wax is possible somehow

[subtle tundra]

ill always clown on outlaw, bud

you fucking ruined my bfa expansion

[midnight mist]

i dont mind people clowning on outlaw

[subtle tundra]

you will pay for that forever

[marble hemlock]

I'll stop clowning on outlaw, when outlaw stops clowning on itself

[midnight mist]

as much as i dislike people spreading missinfo on outlaw

[subtle tundra]

buddy i started spreading misinformation on assa

its fun

[marble hemlock]

i remember your SL arc

[icy acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-me-purposefully-spreading-misinformation-on-the-internet-teddy-bear-typing-misinformation-on-the-internet-gif-27679617

[midnight mist]

well you do you

[umbral sierra]

point is, if extending "melee range" is a thing then it causes inconsistencies with what "melee range" is. some abilities can go past melee range yes but it makes sense. if im throwing fan of knives why is my Throwing distance the length of my arm.

[marble hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-phillips-instiagtor-gif-22728638

[subtle tundra]

i had... like... 400 outlaw keys in sl s1

it was NOT good

[marble hemlock]

even i played outlaw in SL

[midnight mist]

buddy why is my sword the same range as your 1 inch dagger

[marble hemlock]

cuz you have little t-rex arms

[rotund oak]

coz u are a fotmroller and a despeakable catfather

[umbral sierra]

bc it isnt darksouls

[midnight mist]

dont start talking to me about things making sense

[cerulean maple]

any1?

[midnight mist]

nothing make sense in this game

[subtle tundra]

how is sub ST in m+

[marble hemlock]

wait zac

genuine question

[midnight mist]

this is a stupid argument

[umbral sierra]

u litererally brought up "things need to make sense" before i did

[subtle tundra]

idk if anything new was added, but you couldnt before

[icy acorn]

ever since the removal of the acro range it feels like my char only has his upper arms with hands attached to those

[next dust]

We are here to fight bro

[cerulean maple]

i dont see it on raidbots now but thought maybe i just missed it

[cerulean maple]

i can tell lmfao

[midnight mist]

not in that way but i guess you cant read gg

[marble hemlock]

are you STILL harping on about acro strikes change? she gone man. let her go. shes found someone else, and so can you. delete her number and start living life again, instead of living in the past.

[rotund oak]

its 0.2% below double whetstone,

negligible

[icy acorn]

she was the love of my life man

i cant

[cerulean maple]

ah fair, i was mostly wondering bc (my cat stepped on my keyboard) algari oil sims the same as whtstone for me

[midnight mist]

aint me that brought it up

[marble hemlock]

your name is z-acro. i dont believe you.

[midnight mist]

also it made the game significantly less fun

so i will keep yapping about it

forever

i play games for fun

[marble hemlock]

forever... guy?

[marble hemlock]

sounds like youre not having a lot of fun in wow lately. are you at least playing some other games that give you joy?

[rotund oak]

if ur sim says so,should go by the numbers or whatever u love fam 🙂

[icy acorn]

we got a real joker over here

[midnight mist]

when devs make changes taht are objectively unfun

i dont like

[midnight mist]

no i play wow only

and i enjoy it a lot

[marble hemlock]

that sounds miserable

[midnight mist]

i proolly play more wow than 99% of the people in this server

[cerulean maple]

Was mostly wondering if it's worth to farm for the wax instead of just using algari oils since... auction house is considerably faster

[marble hemlock]

is that a cry for help?

[midnight mist]

me complaining about some parts of the game doesnt mean i dont enjoy it

[subtle tundra]

actually man
im enjoying myself in m+ so much...

its not good

[midnight mist]

no i just like the game

[umbral sierra]

i said changing the definition of melee range to be a case by case doesnt make sense in the game simply due to how many abilities and other functions of mechanics work. u then started arguing about "why can casters cast and move and melee have some ranged attacks:

[marble hemlock]

aight

good for you man

[cerulean maple]

i wish i liked m+ as much as some of u guys tbh i'm so raidpilled this season

[midnight mist]

whatever you are just yapping

kidna cba

also give everyone acro for all i care

makes the game more fun for everyone

[umbral sierra]

alot more bitching about the game than playing it if u ask me

[marble hemlock]

ye i mean, i do the same, but i think when it comes to stuff like damage profiles or stuff like melee range, the fix we had or want, often isnt one that is applicable to the game as a whole, it'd just be a bandaid.

i.e. to me, melee range being normalized across classes is a fine goal (and so was target capping specs, imo), but they just rarely follow through on it by then ensuring that i.e. melee hitboxes on bosses arent complete ass sometimes

[umbral sierra]

cant wait to garrote the boss while sitting next to the markshunter at 50 yrd range

[midnight mist]

alright

[pale spear]

isnt outlaw also still extremely bugged? i ended up rerolling assasination this season due to the amount of bugs on outlaw

[rotund oak]

i personally got a druid that flies around and gathers null stones which i craft into whetstones in massive numbers.Dont rly care so much rn.Takes me less than 30min to farm 50 whetstones,my druid is stacked with perfect rolled tool stats

[midnight mist]

hitboxes are complete garbage in m+ tho, and it just forces you to be perma target swapping to maintain uptime which isnt fun, also idk what you mean with target cap, nothing is target capped outside of outlaw

i woudlnt care if everyne was

[pale spear]

And Outlaw is probably my favorite spec ever in the game, it just feels bad right now in most content imo

[umbral sierra]

this tbh. melee classes should have some ranged attacks not everything as melee distance but when melee range means 5 yrd distance then that should mean 5 yrds. ret pallys hammer slam is ranged sure but its tooltip doesnt say melee range

[dawn heath]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/j5aWyECFcaLv-sygy?invite=cr-MSxZaDgsMTcyMzI0NTA1LA

tank went for a ride

[marble hemlock]

thats just flatout wrong though, many classes are target capped or have lowered damage beyond X targets at some point. besides, target capping was never the problem for many classes, who still did super well despite having low target caps. lack of powerful cooldowns more ofthen than not is the issue, at least in m+.

[dawn heath]

mid pujll

[subtle tundra]

skill issue

or smth

[umbral sierra]

who is gonna tell him that bm hunter stomp damage is capped to 8 targets and alot of other abilities are as well

[midnight mist]

Lowered damage above a certain point isn't target capped

I wish bf was like that xd

Show me one spec that is actually target capped rn

As far as I know it's outlaw and maybe one hutner spec

[umbral sierra]

that is the literal definition of what target capped is in this game

[midnight mist]

No

I'm talking about actual hard cap

[pale spear]

is outlaw not literally hard capped at 5, and 8 with talents?

[midnight mist]

Also why are you still talking to me dude

[umbral sierra]

garotte hits 1 target talent makes it hard cap at 3

boom

[midnight mist]

You haven't made a singular relevant point

Since we started talking

[next dust]

That’s not very nice to say

[marble hemlock]

how about we calm down? if you dont like reading what someone else writes while being civil, step away from the PC.

[umbral sierra]

just bc ur too dense to understand english doesnt mean my points havnt been relevant

[slim pebble]

I think the most important thing to take away from this talk is to delete outlaw

[midnight mist]

Only spec target capped ( the relevant one, hard cap) is outlaw

Idk what you don't get

And why you are just yapping random abilities example

Eviscerate is indeed hard capped at one target

Gg

[umbral sierra]

bc those abilties are hard capped to only hitting 1 target or only 3

[midnight mist]

I don't have anything else to say

[pale spear]

but assasination has a really easy way to spread garrotes and also crimson tempest? xd

and caustic spatter

those arent hard capped

[marble hemlock]

i think bladeflurry as a whole just completely limits design space for outlaw. imo if BF were uncapped, it'd just end up like psychic link.

[midnight mist]

yeye for sure

[pale spear]

real

[umbral sierra]

still only hits 3 a cast and not all 30 mobs in melee range

[next dust]

Just make bf toggle

[pale spear]

but, thats one ability?

not the entire spec lmao

[midnight mist]

the usual outlaw would be op if bf was not hard capped

[next dust]

No gcd and uncap it and time numbers

[pale spear]

outlaw cant hit more then 8 at max at any time

[next dust]

Tune

[marble hemlock]

and then itd get nerfed to the point its likely less than optimal anyway

[midnight mist]

fine when its spatter tho

you can soft cap bf today and it doesnt change a single thign tho

sin would still be better

[marble hemlock]

spatter isnt really the problem for assa atm

in terms of why it does so much dam

the problem with smth like psychic link or BF is that its way too much of their aoe damage

so it either ends up too weak or too strong

[midnight mist]

why

[marble hemlock]

cause finding a good middle point is kind of impossible

[midnight mist]

no its not

its litteraly a single spell you have to tune

also with soft cap

[royal lantern]

spatter is more limited cus its only 1 dmg type that can quickly change into being not that strong

BF is literally ALL dmg you do

that is a big difference in how quickly something can go out of controll

[midnight mist]

there is already a way

[umbral sierra]

i mean while caustic isnt target limited

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/Qwlr1d7.jpeg

[midnight mist]

to have it be less powerfull

[marble hemlock]

idk, looks hard to balance to me

and shadow, in any of those patches, was either OP or still trash in m+

dps-wise

[midnight mist]

and i dont get how thats worse than touching up multiple spells every tier to balance a spec

[marble hemlock]

so evidence seems to suggest that even if you just have to tune a single button

it still makes it very difficult to guarantee viability from a dps throughput metric

[midnight mist]

and why is that suddently an issue when we got abovet 8 target btw

just need an answer

cause rn we have bf already

[umbral sierra]

its damage is caped to 5x 40% of poison damage dealt.say thats 5x100 for 500 damage. if it hits 5 targets its gonna be 100 each for 500 total if it hits 10 targets only does 50 on each target for 500 total

[midnight mist]

numbers dont make you smarter

[umbral sierra]

just bc ur only hitting 8 mobs with bf doesnt mean ur doing any less damage

[rare magnet]

Any damage past the 8 for outlaw is still better no damage at all past 8

[marble hemlock]

i mean, you can keep asking more questions, but how is psychic link not a perfect example of the solution you want not being feasible as a tuning option. is outlaw somehow special? clearly even if you only have to tune 1 skill for aoe damage output, it still doesnt work in making a spec consistently good

[midnight mist]

oh ok

[umbral sierra]

its just not an even split

[midnight mist]

mb then

[next dust]

?

[umbral sierra]

if damage is capped at 8 but hits more than just the 8 ur still only doing 8x ur attack value

[marble hemlock]

besides, weve seen hard-capped classes in the past be the #1 and #2 m+ specs anyway

so the entire target cap discussion is so incredibly stupid

[cerulean maple]

oh hly shit no wonder eeryone has so much more gold than I do lmfao

[marble hemlock]

every time it comes up

[midnight mist]

yeye for sure

[next dust]

Yes but if you hit more than 8 you are relevant on bigger packs

[midnight mist]

aint you tatht hard capped

so its stupid

you should try playing m+ as outlaw

andfeeling useless in every important pack

xd

[marble hemlock]

buddy, assa was omega hardcapped in SL and i still said its stupid to discuss target caps

[next dust]

Was key word

[midnight mist]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxvBlEV8EWduW5-6Sc7-NeTG7IXeopeilA?si=pnBjmRWwJIGvPwov i have like infinite clips like those

[pale spear]

wasnt every spec hardcapped in SL?

[marble hemlock]

no

[pale spear]

almost every spec

then

[marble hemlock]

most specs had different caps

[midnight mist]

90% of specs where hard capped in sl

[marble hemlock]

weirdly enough, the strongest specs were the ones with the lowest hard cap. shocker.

[midnight mist]

sl isnt now

[royal lantern]

hey, the assa experience in m+ for almost 3 full expansions where outlaw was most of the time a top3 spec for the mode?

[umbral sierra]

why though. ur damage is the exact same on a 8 target pack hardcaped at 8 as it would be if it did reduced beyond 8 targets bc hitting 8 people for 100 damage is the same as hitting 16 for 50 800=800

[royal lantern]

[midnight mist]

at least you can play raid

i cant play eihter

[marble hemlock]

and yet the 4 and 5t capped classes were dominating s1, despite there being classes with 8 or 20t caps. weird init?

[midnight mist]

ye you can also be overtuned

dont act like target cap is irrelevant

[marble hemlock]

or, you know, theres more to aoe damage than target caps. maybe.

[midnight mist]

entering nw as outlaw is litteral int

[cerulean maple]

hey u almost kept up w the tank

[umbral sierra]

this to show u get out dps by a tank?

[pale spear]

sure might be different target caps but they were still capped xd?

[midnight mist]

ye maybe im washed up tho

[marble hemlock]

and?

[next dust]

It’s physically impossible to do more dmg there as outlaw

[marble hemlock]

clearly targetcaps dont matter as much if low-target cap classes could STILL dominate

wonder why

hmmm

[midnight mist]

because you can also overtune a spec

ye

true

[marble hemlock]

oh yeah, they had really good burst cooldown damage

[pale spear]

so wont the difference be very small compared to now with specs having no target cap?

[midnight mist]

im glad i have neither

[pale spear]

and like zacro is saying, specs can still be overtuned

[midnight mist]

betst of both world

!

[umbral sierra]

vanish between the eye spam tf

[midnight mist]

?

you are still going at it

[umbral sierra]

u said u dont have a burst

[marble hemlock]

idk, windwalker fucking sucked in raid, i wouldnt call that overtuned. it just had really good CDs and procs for the m+ environment, so it did crazy damage.

[midnight mist]

its crazy

[midnight mist]

ye no wae

you are just clueless

i cba

[marble hemlock]

despite being 4t capped

in SL S1

[pale spear]

vanish bte spam is nowhere near a burst window compared to assas deathmark kingsbane window lmao

[marble hemlock]

outlaw right now would be more than fine if it had a proper burst CD

[next dust]

I can’t with that guy ahahahahha

[umbral sierra]

oh yeah, they had really good burst cooldown damage
im glad i have neither -zacro
bro ur between the eyes vanish window is ur burst

[pale spear]

it really funny

[next dust]

He is so funny

[marble hemlock]

but it has a dogshit damage profile instead

which makes it crap in both raid and m+

[midnight mist]

we have both tho

we both dont have cds, which fine thats outalw

[umbral sierra]

yeah but their window isnt a 2 min cd

[midnight mist]

its fun

[marble hemlock]

has virtually nothing to do with acrobatic strikes or target caps, though

[umbral sierra]

or at least a hard set 2 min cd

[midnight mist]

but we also are the only spec in the game that is target capped

[pale spear]

if they arent in vanish bte spam, outlaw dmg get so fucking low tho

[rotund oak]

i basicly am at 26.7mil but im farming since launch.Wont stop till im warbank capped(99.9mil)

[midnight mist]

tell me how my spec is fine rn in dungeons like nw

[pale spear]

its not really a burst, more than its a normal dmg window

[midnight mist]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxvBlEV8EWduW5-6Sc7-NeTG7IXeopeilA?si=pnBjmRWwJIGvPwov

[cerulean maple]

GOLD????

[midnight mist]

please give an honest answer seli

[rotund oak]

yup

[umbral sierra]

yeah, if i didnt use my burst cds i wouldnt do damage either

[midnight mist]

honest answer i beg

[subtle tundra]

Problem is, pulls rn require big dmg cds otherwise you just wipe

[marble hemlock]

the problem with outlaw is that its players keep self-fellating over their high apm and highly reactive gameplay which is very fun, while also grinding black temple for transmog until they get a blindfold, which in turn doesnt let them see that those very things are a hindrance to becoming a spec that can be viable in either m+ or raid ever again.

[cerulean maple]

I have slowly but surely gone down from 35k to 15k as i spend more consumables on raiding than i make back

[subtle tundra]

You can't do half the pulls in nw without huge burst

Literally can't finish

[midnight mist]

you could if at least you were soft capped so werent doing tank damage

[umbral sierra]

its a window of increased damage, just bc the burst of it is ass doesnt mean its not by definition a burst window

[marble hemlock]

welcome to M+ since BfA

[midnight mist]

maybe

[pale spear]

still higher than what outlaw puts out

[next dust]

Start boosting I made one million in 7 hours

[marble hemlock]

assa had no aoe burst damage whatsoever for years, and thus it was useless in m+ for years. thats just m+

[umbral sierra]

thats just spec tuning, make outlaw hit harder and it would be fine

[pale spear]

and nonetheless its a shit "burst" cd then

[marble hemlock]

last time sustained DPS classes were good in m+ was like 1 season in bfa, and legion

[subtle tundra]

Well in sl you had 2 other dps specs to use cds, now you have Aug

So you cant

[midnight mist]

a burst window of 6 sec duration every 20 s

you are clueless

[marble hemlock]

aug overrated unless you play #1 keys

[umbral sierra]

outlaw being target capped doesnt make a difference in single target which assa is still ahead on

[marble hemlock]

and if you play #1 keys, you only play #1 specs

go figure

[cerulean maple]

boosting? like selling m+ runs or smth?

[rotund oak]

are we rly arguing about outlaw

[next dust]

Yeah for communities

[rotund oak]

no one cares

[midnight mist]

you havent answered me seli

[marble hemlock]

even prebuff when outlaw was ahead of assa, youd still not play outlaw in prog. so whats your point?

[midnight mist]

which is strange

[cerulean maple]

i would love if u could dm me a bit more about this bc i used to do similar stuff in gw2 but they made it bannable

[midnight mist]

feels like you are purposely evading the real question

[subtle tundra]

I play with ele instead of enha it's doomed

[marble hemlock]

its not.

[feral wasp]

is rmt bannable if blizzard dont sell wow tokens on my country

[next dust]

Nothing like that

[marble hemlock]

yes

[midnight mist]

thanks at least we agree on one thing

[marble hemlock]

sure. the altenative is that i just missed the question.

but if you wanna be the victim, i can let you believe that too

whatever floats your boat

outlaw right now is fucking ass

no argument there

[midnight mist]

except its not

[marble hemlock]

yes it is

[feral wasp]

bugged outlaw was good, no counter argument to that

[midnight mist]

i prolly out damage 99% of assa out there if we do a dungeons where we arent pulling like in nw

[subtle tundra]

wasnt good

[feral wasp]

bugged outlaw was on par with enha lmao

[subtle tundra]

was overpowered

[midnight mist]

and we enter nw i cnat even play the game

i dont think thats suddently cause of haing no cooldowns lol

[pale spear]

real, bring back the bug as a feature, outlaw just has perma 5 combo points spec fixed

xD

[marble hemlock]

its too centered on CDR and high APM gameplay, which makes it difficult to give it highly impactful buttons and cooldowns.

and no, "just buff/uncap bladeflurry" is not a solution. its a bandaid. and if theres one thing that outlaw really doesnt need more off, its bandaid fixes to deeper underlying problems that sit at the core of the specs design

[subtle tundra]

well blame blizz for making that dungeon require 20 billion mobs to kill

[pale spear]

it would feel 1000x better if it was uncapped tho

[midnight mist]

i would really like to try that "bandaid"

at least once

:)

[marble hemlock]

viability doesnt care about your feelings

[pale spear]

also bringing acro back

[marble hemlock]

ye, then you might be really good in NW; and youd suck ass everywhere else

[midnight mist]

its onyl a bandaid until blizz implement it

[subtle tundra]

ele is target capped

[marble hemlock]

is that a solution?

[subtle tundra]

it fucks my ass

if you did ele dps, you wouldnt complain

[pale spear]

was blade flurry not uncapped in BfA and outlaw was like insanely good in m+ due to that? even tho most specs were uncapped?

im asking cause i honestly dont remember

[marble hemlock]

"i do better than assa in 99% of situations but i really want that last 1%", when giving you that last 1% would make you either stupidly broken in the other 99%, or would require simultaneous tuning to make you less good in those 99% so youd be able to shine in the 1%

[umbral sierra]

would be fine if acro increased ability range to 8 yrd but auto attacks that are melee range still 5 yrd

[subtle tundra]

it was just doing way more dmg than everyone else

[pale spear]

hell nah

[umbral sierra]

or set all attacks to 8yrd and not say

[feral wasp]

another question, what energy serves in assa rogue considering pooling is poo poo

[umbral sierra]

"melee range is 8 yrd for this spec but 5 for this one and 7 for this other one over here"

[subtle tundra]

pooling is our identity

part of it

id be so mad if energy wasnt a resource

[pale spear]

makes sense i guess, more st dmg equals more aoe dmg naturally of course

[midnight mist]

no, it litteraly wouldnt need a nerf, i think thats like what people dont understand

[marble hemlock]

outlaw players just played the game on easy mode for 3 consecutive expansions and cant handle the reality that having perma increased melee range and the free-est aoe damage imaginable isnt healthy for the game.

[umbral sierra]

changing the definition of melee on a case by case scenario is not healthy for game vocab and understanding

[umbral sierra]

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[pale spear]

outlaw easy mode is insane to say tho ngl xd

[marble hemlock]

aaaand there we go to the self-fellating of "outlaw is so fucking hard omg" again

[pale spear]

might have had good dmg, but its not easy

[marble hemlock]

you guys just want it all. want the spec to be hard so you can keep stroking the ego, while also wanting all the bandaid fixes to all the problems in the world

[feral wasp]

isnt pooling unncessary with double envenom talent ?

[midnight mist]

earthquake and tempest doesnt say target capped os idk

[marble hemlock]

guess what. having regular melee range makes the game hard.

especially in m+

[subtle tundra]

thats just a new thing cause of rework without thinking of consequences

[midnight mist]

thats litteraly what sub and sin got btw

you are so funny

[marble hemlock]

and NW being a dogshit dungeon isnt a failure on any individual spec, its a failure on dungeon redesign

[umbral sierra]

yeah, most classes and specs change damage rotation based on if its st 2 5 8+ etc meanwhile outlaw just does st rotation the entire time while pressing bf once a minute

[pale spear]

i mean if the bandaids fixes the problem ye lmao, i wouldnt complain

[midnight mist]

sin had slow ramping in m+, no aoe, cds that were st only, they gave sin auto ramping, infinte aoe, and cds that cleaves

[marble hemlock]

how do bandaids deal with flesh wounds again?

[midnight mist]

sub had no burst and no cleave

[marble hemlock]

oh yeah, they dont

[midnight mist]

they gave sub infinite burst

and cleave

[feral wasp]

sin is the bfa outlaw, change my mind

[midnight mist]

xddddd

[marble hemlock]

the entire reason outlaw plays this trash in dungeons is because of bandaid fixes in the past, and you want more of them

lul

[midnight mist]

sub and sin can have it all

but outalw cant even be a normal spec

xddd

[pale spear]

would say that bringing acro back is a pretty huge bandaid tho

[midnight mist]

why do we keep caling uncapped a bandaid fix

xdd

[marble hemlock]

ye its not like outlaw was THE Dominating rogue spec for rogue for like 3 expansions straight, and now that its not top dog for once, its a major issue.

[midnight mist]

bro litteraly just decided it was a bandaid fix because reaosns

[marble hemlock]

nvm the fact that assa sucked monkeydick since legion in m+ and is finally viable again (and overtuned)

[pale spear]

are we only talking m+ here btw?

[iron carbon]

Yes

[umbral sierra]

have it all as in 5 yrd melee range? like everyother melee spec

[midnight mist]

so fixing assa issues is fine

but not outlaw

[marble hemlock]

you cant hve it both ways man. either acro is not a big deal, then why do people still cry about it 700 years since its extinction.

or it is a big deal, which is why you want it back, which would clearly mean its very impactful.

it cant be not impactful while also being such an important thing to you

[pale spear]

ok but sure, but who cares about the past, when rn outlaw feels like ass

[subtle tundra]

but outlaw was fine for plenty of time, suddenly needs fixing

[pale spear]

who said it isnt a big deal?

[iron carbon]

Outlaw was never good in raid as far ai remember

[midnight mist]

Stop pinging me, everytime you ping me you say another nonsense

[marble hemlock]

every outlaw player ever

[marble hemlock]

who said that?

[umbral sierra]

also while assa is great in aoe it feels piss poor on st in keys

siting there auto attacking watching ur energy bar

[subtle tundra]

my st is aight

[pale spear]

outlaw has it both ways

[midnight mist]

I haven't been able to play outlaw in raid for like 3 expact, and now since outlaw is stuck in the past while sin and sub keep evolving, it's happening again in m+

[rotund idol]

Honestly target cap is the bandaid and we are just asking for that bandaid to be reverted

[marble hemlock]

ofc id like blizz to make outlaw a proper spec again, but imo thatd require much more than just doing another set of bandaid fixes.

the spec needs some attention at its core, from BF and CD uptime, to actually having more meaningful talent choices again, both in the spec and class tree.

[subtle tundra]

(thank god ele shaman fucking carries my asshole)

[rotund idol]

Like they couldnt properly tune outlaw so they just decided to slap a cap on it

[subtle tundra]

??

[umbral sierra]

make ur own raids or keys or play with friends. u can play what u want

[marble hemlock]

bandaid fixes do not fix problems other than shortterm, and more often than not cause more problems in the future. so yeah, id like them to not do that again

[subtle tundra]

the cap was added when every class got capped

[midnight mist]

Stop pinging me

You are still doing it

Haha

Funny guy

[umbral sierra]

its a reply

@midnight mist this is a ping

[subtle tundra]

he never heard of doing relevant content

[midnight mist]

Stop relying to me dude

[subtle tundra]

dummy

[midnight mist]

You are literally

Yapping nonsense

Everytime you type

[pale spear]

im pretty sure most outlaw players dreaded that change tho

[midnight mist]

It's embarrassing dude

[pale spear]

iirc

[midnight mist]

Litteraly embarrassing

[feral wasp]

outlaw rework when?

[subtle tundra]

zac youd be a nice human if you werent french

...

such unlucky