assassination

[balmy condor]

ofc

[mint urchin]

Then im fine with this

[balmy condor]

each one of us gets a leg

[mint urchin]

Nice

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

Mentally I'm in quake's bed

[coral ibex]

dude sick callback

that guy was hilarious

[spice spire]

Before me?

In November?

Brother

On so many fronts

What

[half igloo]

what now

[balmy condor]

I heard one half of it has been empty lately

[balmy condor]

there's a clown that shows up every now and then

[spice spire]

Nah just for a year ya feel me

[balmy condor]

his last insanity

was AI coding an addon

[half igloo]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[balmy condor]

to AI remove flavor text

from tooltips

and just make the tooltips

[half igloo]

he's had too much thistle tea tbh

[balmy condor]

say only the words

that are important

[mint urchin]

He didnt like the flavor text in tooltips

because it was too much reading

[half igloo]

yeah no comment

[slate crown]

thanks i hate it

[half igloo]

nvm got invited

[balmy condor]

yeah so now you know why I'm on the brink of a mental break every 15 minutes

[slate crown]

it's because you complained

it's ok

[marsh idol]

whats the dps increase of tier this season>

[mint urchin]

Dude complaining literally does make a queue happen

[runic hinge]

Can I get an addon to make my tooltips all uwu-ified?

[half igloo]

tbh every class discord is such a horrible place to be except for this one in my experience

[spice spire]

Cease

[balmy condor]

like 3-4%

[half igloo]

legit only class discord I come to

[runic hinge]

[marsh idol]

3-4 for 4pc?

[balmy condor]

for 2 and 4

[mint urchin]

I came for rogue and stay for Whispyr's sanity decline

[marsh idol]

ahh

[balmy condor]

so like 6ish together

[marsh idol]

gotcha

ty

[spice spire]

Buddy that’s been on an elevator down for years

[balmy condor]

quitting the bowling alley

will surely fix me

[mint urchin]

Also his yap videos

[balmy condor]

my thumbnail guy is gonna have to do overtime next week

[mint urchin]

He can share one leg of the pants

[balmy condor]

feels like we're running out of legs

[mint urchin]

We just buy xxl

[pallid bough]

Too much shit

Not enough leg

[half igloo]

can a homie get a leg

[runic hinge]

What if you borrow queen ansureks pants

She got that dump truck

[balmy condor]

sadly not, capitalism has ruined the leg market, the oligarchy formed a monopoly on leg commodities and now your only option is to go to the second hand store after they bought up all the second leg stores

[wintry otter]

is there somewhere where i can post my logs and get some help with assa in keys :p

[mint urchin]

Here, but know that we are all certified experts and never give wrong information

[balmy condor]

big pants are taking away the means of production from the pant shitters, and without the means of production, they no longer have the spending power required to keep the economy afloat. As the slow downward spiral of inequality between the pant producers and pant shitters widens, required pant-goods and shit-services get more expensive as businesses try to stay open as clientelle decreases, causing small mom and pop pant-shit stores to close and further monopolizing the markets towards the already rich

I will radicalize this discord one pant-shitting analogy at a time

[mint urchin]

I approve

[spice spire]

I’m going to eat ur ass shit or not bud

[half igloo]

I have an unhinged assa/sub cook can someone stop me if I overcook?

[spice spire]

Just stop urself big dog

[half igloo]

basically - dragonflight weapon rune for offhand

[spice spire]

[half igloo]

: )

[spice spire]

Stopping you here

[half igloo]

the mastery one

[spice spire]

They no longer work

[balmy condor]

do you have antibacterials ready for shigella, vibrio, ecoli, and salmonella

[spice spire]

[half igloo]

ah g_g

[spice spire]

Why would I

I’m ready to embrace the shots

No cdiff for the cocktail tho? Smdh

[balmy condor]

no cdiff

only cdew

[pure moth]

I must have walked in at a bad time...

[wintry otter]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3WrAQF7HLvjc9bnX#fight=2&type=damage-done could someone help me out and tell me how to l2p

[balmy condor]

which is a subsidiary of mountain dew, which is owned by pepsico, and that's how large corporations are praying on shoppers by consolidating all the brands together under one roof and feigning competition in the market space while secretly owning multiple different "competing" brands. By doing this they can also inflate the prices of products in a rotation, forcing customers to purchase cheaper items which will go up to match the fake competition while also building stronger brand loyalty to multiple different sub-companies, or pay the higher price of their preferred good and we've come full circle back to capitalism lets go

[runic hinge]

Lmfao making quake do m+ logs is hilarious

[winged quail]

Have you considered manually re-writing the tooltips instead of using AI? Totally serious question

[balmy condor]

sure as fuck ain't gonna be me

[royal lantern]

whisp

did you take your meds

[balmy condor]

I did not

mental hospital cannot stop me, the government cannot stop

I will simply continue to be silly

until the end of my days

[royal lantern]

they have yummy colors and your doctor said theymare good for you

[hushed needle]

Yo, does deathmark still function the same if you refresh your bleeds within the 16sec window i.e. if you have rupture and garrote on the target, you deathmark, which duplicates them, you continue envenoming and then before the timer runs out you re-garrote and rupture, does it still duplicate them for a second time?

[balmy condor]

yes

but all duplicates drop off the moment deathmark ends

[hushed needle]

ahhh okay that was the next question I had

okay that makes sense ty

[spice spire]

Ur up bud

[limber lion]

So no reason to forcefully reapply

Just follow normal pandemic rules

[balmy condor]

unlike the very real reason to forcefully reapply pressure to governments around the world as they fail to support the proletariat masses amongst rising income inequality and inflation

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-thumbs-up-ok-gif-5762947

[balmy condor]

My next A-Z video will be on macroeconomics

[runic hinge]

My highest key is a ten they don’t want my help

I am a casual aotc Andy

[spice spire]

Analysis is pisslow breakdown bud

[viscid parcel]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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LE's Group
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[viscid parcel]

is it basically just personal preference here for which WA layout to use

[runic hinge]

The only thing I’m about to breakdown is myself

[viscid parcel]

or is there like a good "default" one to pick

[half igloo]

is this tooltip bugged too? O_O

[viscid parcel]

i know Luxthos is like The Guy, but it's probably worth having one that comes specifically from someone who mains the class, no?

[runic hinge]

I use whisp’s now but I used luxthos for a while

[spice spire]

Yes

[viscid parcel]

unless that's not really relevant and nothing is really "missing" from the others

[spice spire]

Same bestie

[half igloo]

so with the 2nd talent point the maximum goes up?

[mint urchin]

No, if you pick the wrong one you are cast out and banned

[runic hinge]

I would say luxthos is pretty alright but I like using whispyrs cause it feels better using someone who mains assa’s

[half igloo]

I mean

just play baseline ui?

O_O

blizz-like chads rise up

[mint urchin]

I break the mold and use hijacks because I can't be asked to conform to suggestions

[slate crown]

just make your own

from scratch

[mint urchin]

That said I can't conceive if someone doesn't personalize theirs

[coral ibex]

real ones use vendetta to track deathmark

[delicate imp]

Am i the only one hoping that that ring from the isles isnt good for us? I hate rings with no 2nd stats on them

[half igloo]

I have some news

[delicate imp]

spill

[runic hinge]

There’s no way blizz makes a daily island and makes the ring not good enough to use

[normal mist]

After some tweeks will be bis for everyone

[half igloo]

it's gonna be mega-turbo-ultra-giga bis for everyone

[normal mist]

Ah! Remember DF?

[half igloo]

and rogue is also historically good at using "special" items

[normal mist]

At first we didn't use them

Then they got buffs

[runic hinge]

Yes and then they buffed the crap outta it three times

[delicate imp]

Like i remember the one from DF and it was Giga turbo then they nerfed the crap out of it

[half igloo]

yes we will be forced to use them

like

[runic hinge]

They nerfed it for the next patch

[half igloo]

if they release them and they're weak give it like 3 days and they will quadruple numbers

[novel star]

No, the scent tooltip is fine afaik idk why quake said yes unless i’m missing something

[slate crown]

buck the trend

just ignore the ring

[normal mist]

Pog

[slate crown]

when everyone else is running around with it

[novel star]

[slate crown]

simply don't

[half igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

quake be like

so I rly don't know when and why did my roles reset

I need to fix all this

[slate crown]

I spend I buy I churn I feel nothing anymore the line must go up but my feelings stay the same

[novel star]

to my knowledge it’s 20% cap either way just takes 5 rups instead of 10

“just”

[cerulean nest]

cloaking frontals on M silken works right? and wont drop an orb?

[half igloo]

just do this

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/derplander-laugh-ffxiv-hyur-gif-12116375

[half igloo]

[balmy condor]

So true bestie

[glad kraken]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[arctic tusk]

anything cheeky for rogue i should know for ansurek prog?

[novel star]

step wrest

step a mage or dh or something when they cheese the p3 portal by going over wall

uhh

cloak/vanish roots p1

that’s it i think

[spice surge]

mage, warrior, dh, warlock, monks

Lots of people can do the skip/cheese

[past bobcat]

Is caustic spatter lagging people on brood

[coral ibex]

the game is lagging people on brood

[minor dagger]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[final remnant]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[arctic tusk]

for the wrest pulls i still gotta be a decent bit away right

or do you just step to a ranged before the pull

[novel star]

on mythic u cant always step boss cus of wrest leaving the shit on the ground

so u gotta do it on a ranged eventually yea

afaik

plat wrests you just do it on the beamu add

[arctic tusk]

ill just macro shadowstep to one of my mages prob

for p1

[upper wraith]

am I suffering sitting at 7% haste

[scarlet wyvern]

kinda funny how Sikran Neck 639 is simming higher than any other Crit/mastery neck of mine 😄

its so much haste like huh

[scenic nacelle]

Brood is lagging brood

[real pike]

been studying casualaddict's silken court kill and he doesn't seem to put bleeds on the boss he's not focused on - is this because it's not actually a dps increase or just cause focused on mechanics?

[coral ibex]

i'd bet its focus on mechs since bleeds are energy is damage

[real pike]

he does so much damage christ

even letting garotte drop and shit

still smashed it

maybe one day I'll be half the rogue he is 🥲

[slim pebble]

Everything is fine

[idle meteor]

Anyone else get scammed by caustic doing 0 dam on M rash cos I guess the adds are too far away from boss lol

[slate crown]

Sending you my thoughts. 🫡

[tawny geyser]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[coral ibex]

[violet zinc]

hello, can i submit a log to ask how to improve my assa rogue gameplay?

[slate crown]

copy

no reapply

[coral ibex]

you apply the deathmark debuff to your target and all bleeds/poisons are just passively copied

i also had the same thonk early on

[hardy wind]

why in the fuck can kingsbane be parried man. fix the game blizzard

[slim pebble]

Ovinax just parried me and im gonna KMS (in game)

[thorny abyss]

Could someone please help me and check my logs. I really don't know what I'm doing wrong... dm please

[hardy wind]

happened to me on my opener and it took every ounce of self restraint to not walk off

[plush horizon]

when do we start to hit the dr for mastery?

or crit

[hardy wind]

21000 of that stat

is when DR starts

[tired gull]

guys.. guys.. after many sleepless nights, my guild finally got AotC, i'm a real raider now

[tall jay]

you and me both 😄 178 pulls 😄

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/qeliameow-cat-paw-cats-paw-dance-gif-3807241812430059413

[errant mauve]

Now do it on mythic… I haven’t done it yet but it seems easy enough ya know.. do dmg ignore mechanics and ya win

[coral ibex]

this conveniently matches my music rn

[frozen glacier]

@tired gull proud of you

[coral ibex]

very cute

[split grail]

Hmm...has anyone else had cloak not work on shattering sweep from Sikran? I've always used it on the first sweep and tonight it jsut sent me flying

[coral ibex]

true immune

[cobalt sphinx]

i think it has an inner circle that knocks back

can you immune that too

[pliant terrace]

im never gonna get an orange broodtwister parse I fucking hate fury warriors

[balmy condor]

Needs to be first second

The super immunity

[gloomy heart]

how did u parse on ulgrax, just pumped adds?

[pliant terrace]

tried to get as much add pad as I could with spatter and giga pumped boss

[gloomy heart]

ilvl?

[pliant terrace]

uh

like 632 I think

[cobalt sphinx]

i got 97 on ulgrax and i was 9th-10th on add damage beneath the tanks

[pliant terrace]

don't remember

[dawn heath]

https://www.twitch.tv/tundrah_tv/clip/RacySteamyWalletCoolStoryBob-p_EqMniw_KIDPb0f

[tired gull]

I pugged brood, my numbers are awful there

[solar wyvern]

You can parse ulgrax by running full single target + caustic or beg your fdk and fury warriors to take a break

[errant mauve]

I gave up trying to parse on that fat bug fucker

I may not parse well but my dmg done on boss is always highest in raid

[soft surge]

why is fatebound the easy mode build on wowhead

[vocal cypress]

ANSWER THE CALL OF SIREN ISLE

For quicker PTR testing, we progress through the content faster on the PTR. Please note: When this content goes live, players will unlock different ring powers weekly over six weeks, leading to the ability to fly once all is completed.

does this mean its gonna take 6 weeks to get a 639 ring

and do we have any details on how good this rings gonna be yet?

[slate crown]

we don't know, 0 info

[vocal cypress]

??

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/11-0-7-update-ptr-development-notes-1998869#25558582

[slate crown]

ok so

when I say "0 info"

I mean "0 information towards answering your specific questions"

[balmy condor]

@slate crown ??

[coral ibex]

not helpful lis

👎🏻

[novel star]

[hollow river]

??

[slate crown]

don't u sass me

[novel star]

Wipege

[balmy condor]

Wdym no info lisonna just make some shit up

[slate crown]

oh shit you're right

[balmy condor]

Uber giga super duper bis ring mega poggers

[hollow river]

It’s going to take 6 weeks of 8 hours a day grinding to complete your ring

[balmy condor]

Or super doomer giga loser stinker shitter ring

[hollow river]

336 hours to be exact

[slate crown]

The first ring effect everyone gets is from a random pool of effects that are all +30k primary stat or secondary stats

[balmy condor]

Bro you KNOW I can’t count that high

[silent drift]

i noticed a few rogues running forced induction over lethality in some of the top pulls, is it a preference thing? or a trick to it?

[slate crown]

that's what we knowa

and it's super good but also shit

it's terrible and nobody will want to wear it

but everyone will anyways

[balmy condor]

It’s like 0.2% better in single target for most idk it’s a pretty standard build

[vocal cypress]

cheers

keen for +30k primary

thats huge

[balmy condor]

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/garrosh-hellscream-gif-22929956

[balmy condor]

Bro did not read anything

[vocal cypress]

sarcasm; the use of irony to mock or convey contempt.

[hollow river]

Are you all ready to drift your goblin buggies

When do we get our drift cars? 11.1?

[vocal cypress]

nothing against u lis u actually tried to help until u smelt blood in the water 😂

[balmy condor]

I’m ngl, lowkey not excited for 11.1

[hollow river]

I’m not excited for goblin city

[oak tangle]

so the new dungeon is just a single dungeon? no split dungeon?

[hollow river]

Think so ya

[balmy condor]

Seems that way

[slate crown]

I don't often employ irony to mock or convey contempt, but if I get sassed and in a bad mood the hell do you want from me

[balmy condor]

They spent a lot of time yapping about all the shiny new content

[oak tangle]

imagine the bring back mechagon

as the last 2

[balmy condor]

But not a lot about fixing hero talents

Which are like

Kind of a huge failure imo

[slate crown]

Yeah just eh

[hollow river]

Singular focus is still bugged

And it makes me angy af

[sinful marsh]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[slate crown]

Also really not hyped for player housing because it is very possible they just cannon ball into the worst version of the feature and the entire world dies because everyone just lives in their house like you're in a moba lobby

I don't want player housing

I want guild housing

[oak tangle]

in my personal discord i just said "town's are gonna die"

[novel star]

this is based

[slate crown]

Let me buy my guild a mansion

[oak tangle]

it would be kinda cool if you could have a portal room in your house

[balmy condor]

Like idk, lately it feels like blizzard puts a lot of shiny things on their box and then doesn’t deliver. Like for the war within it was YOOOO GUYS LOOK AT HERO TALENTS (they suck) AND DELVES ARE A NEW ENDGAME PVE PILLAR AND ITS YOUR VAULT SLOTS THIS IS EVERGREEN CONTENT (smashed to the dirt in 2 weeks and left to rot)

And 11.1 kinda smells like that

Look shiny car and new dungeon and goblin dn

Isn’t that cool guys

Get excited

So good

[hollow river]

Delves really seem meh over all

[balmy condor]

And then it’ll be like cool for 3 days and then ignored

[oak tangle]

there needs to be a myth track variant of delves, otherwise it isnt possible for it to be cared about

[hollow river]

Does the casual community enjoy them at all

[balmy condor]

No cause it’s way too hard for them

[slate crown]

dynamic ground mounts are kind of a downgrade from dragonriding

like

I don't know how it's exciting when we can already FLY

[oak tangle]

you can probably still regular mount, just slower

[vocal cypress]

dont forget to get ur dew ground mount 😂

[hollow river]

I kinda like that they’re improving ground mounts to make them not AS shit

[vocal cypress]

isnt there enough magic in wow just make all mounts able to fly some how

[hollow river]

As long as I can drift my new motorcycle

[slate crown]

I will agree though

Riding raptor mount in gw2

[oak tangle]

inb4 mariocart styled boss in new raid

[slate crown]

feels fun

[vocal cypress]

rainbow road final boss

[balmy condor]

Yeah

The boss drives away and you have to beat him 1 lap 200cc rainbow road

[vocal cypress]

all 20 in mythic gotta come first to progress through intermission but theirs only 1 first place

[mint urchin]

You guys arent excited for a wow token fueled player housing system??

[tacit nest]

Is there any soft caps on crit/mastery?

[oak tangle]

forgive the cringe,

you fighting gallywix and he just pulls up to xalatath for some reason "get in babe"

[balmy condor]

But it’s also rng whether or not your raid gets enough blue shells

[slim pebble]

Tonight I won 400k gold in death rolls and had two KBs parried on Ovinax

Very conflicted

[balmy condor]

You’re chasing the boss, nothing but bananas

Fucking wipe it

[slate crown]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[balmy condor]

Go again

[spice surge]

Mine only gets a bunch of green shells

[slim pebble]

I contemplated running off when my KB got parried

[vocal cypress]

i feel like thats the wrong mentality 😂 bosskill>dps

[slate crown]

there's going to be an elaborate crafting mechanic for creating housing accessories like bookshelves and shit, and the market will just evaporate because nobody will buy shit or care

[mint urchin]

You know they are going to sell unique store only housing items

[coral ibex]

thats short sighted

[vocal cypress]

inb4 11.2 woodworking gets released 😂

[oak tangle]

i tihnk far more people will care, but those are the kinds of people that will craft themselves

[mint urchin]

have this bookshelf for $20!

[balmy condor]

But yeah idk, the more I play Maplestory the more I realize that wow leans REALLY hard into the seasonal/themepark fomo and they show no signs of slowing down or backing up on that rollercoaster

And idk

Not great

[vocal cypress]

100000%\

[slate crown]

Don't get me wrong I love new markets opening up

[vocal cypress]

they have since probably pandaria 😂

when they brought out challenge modes and started down this whole mythic + route

[oak tangle]

low key

[slate crown]

I hate that the entire wow economy can be converted into a $ amount but that ship sailed ages ago thanks I hate it

[oak tangle]

classic mop interests me

cause that's like the dawn of what i know of as retail

[balmy condor]

M+ could be cool but they fucked that too by making it CC simulator

[vocal cypress]

😂

[balmy condor]

Like why do we still have a timer in m+

[vocal cypress]

add more frontals less interrupts

[balmy condor]

99% of m+ runs are “well we wiped, hearth out”

[mint urchin]

The only thing that really needs to change in M+ imo is just the crest reduction on failure

Thats just salt in a wound

[vocal cypress]

i mean crests arnt exactly even a big part of the game

[balmy condor]

I mean fuck that man, why can’t m+ be aoe slug fest like bfa

M+ was fun when we pulled 6 packs together

And giga blasted

[vocal cypress]

u hit cap each week and ur done

takes like maybe 4 hrs

[mint urchin]

Because hitting more then 5-8 mobs is ignoring game design apparently

[balmy condor]

Now we watch them do it in mdi and go “well, that’s never happening for mortal humans”

And then we move on

Cause it’s just so unrealistic

[hollow river]

"you guys aren't playing the way WE intended you to play"

[oak tangle]

if you are caring about crests, then chances are you are reaching into content harder than you're capable of

[soft surge]

mythic+ in tww is now for nerds sadly

[mint urchin]

I mean the triple hunter super kite half of Motherload strat was already not a mortal method

[vocal cypress]

treating +15s like its a heroic has me hard tho

[balmy condor]

In legion I farmed hundreds of maw of souls and we did the whole dungeon in 3 pulls and I had fun every time ngl

Pulling everything into first boss

Is dopamine

[vocal cypress]

whilst pulling 15+m dps

big dopamine

[oak tangle]

if the difference between 5 and 12 crests is make or break, you need to either go do 8's and if you are wiping in 8's, question whether you're ready for that content

[balmy condor]

I don’t get dopamine doing 3 kick rotations on a double pull, watching the healer get double bolted in a row on an unstoppable cast, and hearthing out

Who fucking has fun that way

[mint urchin]

Dude that shit adds up especially when leveling alts and trying to gear

Its just pointless punishment

[errant mauve]

I get zero dopamine from WoW… I only play it for a few friends they haven’t been disappointed by blizzard yet

[soft surge]

this

[oak tangle]

idk, im 2 chesting 8's with a 595 aug

[lethal arrow]

it really is 1 to 1

lol

[soft surge]

it was freestyle action

big dam some cc some kicks and no die gg

[mint urchin]

Buddy im runnin 12's and hating life, its not an issue of timing it but the fact that it exists lol

[lethal arrow]

its all fomo

[oak tangle]

running 12's and caring about crests seems to be very antithetical

[soft surge]

now i gotta treat a 12 like a mythic raid boss

[mint urchin]

You are missing the point

[novel parcel]

Hi hello I want some help on why my hero talent mark just doesnt apply sometimes on pull?? Its hella fucking me since I'm just starting queen prog and need to save vanish both for MA and first root break. Tf is causing my mark to just not be applied on pull despite me opening with ambush

[oak tangle]

am i? your sticking point is 7 crests, when you are geared beyond the reward

[errant mauve]

I may be a classic Andy or whatever it is but the old style game was better but if they updated mechanics like SoD and then add sections of old school dungeons and made them M+ mode or something that would really get my dopamine going

[mint urchin]

My point is its an example of the myriad of ways M+ has unneccessary punishment that it doesnt need to have

[balmy condor]

I get dopamine at the start of patches for like 2-3 weeks and then I just can’t be asked doing my 25th run of mists after doing my 25th run of mists last year after doing my 25th run of mists in shadowlands, slamming my skull into mythic raid boss that I know will get nerfed in 2 weeks because blizzard needs to hit a quota of CE guilds before the next season of fomo comes around

Idk I’m a doomer but Jesus fuck man what are we doing

[oak tangle]

idk, i think it needs the punishments, as a person in a casual guild, who see's so many players feel entitled to keys, the shift in difficulty this tier, of everyone originally expecting 10's

[mint urchin]

But why?

[worthy surge]

hello all to sim for top pieces mythic plus do i just sim crafts dungeon slive or patchwerk with x5 or x8 for 1 min ?

[mint urchin]

Who cares if the casual base gets mythic vault at 8 or 10?

they will feel entitled either way

[errant mauve]

Honestly I have no idea

[oak tangle]

i like there to be achievements in games and rewards for those that play well. i disagree that someone who bricks keys all day gets the same reward as me

[frigid pilot]

u mean 33 grim batols and no skardyns grace only to get it from a 1 key vault 3 months in?

[oak tangle]

there is no incentive to improve if you never have to

[errant mauve]

I still don’t have skardyns, i don’t even enjoy the dungeon

[balmy condor]

The fact that we accept this as normal gameplay is insane

[mint urchin]

I dunno, I dislike gearing in general. Give me tournie realm where I can just have bis and just play the game

[soft surge]

i did close to 70 gbs for a grace then a couple weeks later a myth track drops in vault

[balmy condor]

We’re basically playing Diablo/poe for gear in wow but then we’re also sitting dick in hand waiting for crest cap

Like

[oak tangle]

lets be real though, you forgot about those 70 gbs, and pogged off at seeing it in vault

[errant mauve]

We pay for an incomplete game over and over they aren’t going to change anything

[balmy condor]

The content gets stale in a month but then we’re forced to treadmill crests cap every week

It’s actually crazy

[errant mauve]

Then when they game sucks drop a fuckin black auction mount for influx of money

[lethal arrow]

i swear they gotta add starforce into wow

[lunar kayak]

seeing twist the knife instead of bleed out capstone for m+ on murlok, yay or nay?

[lethal arrow]

itll spice it up

[frigid pilot]

i think its even worse when its a rare fucking dagger that no1 else can trade, then an agi trinket where nobody (until enhance got buffed) could trade either cus they also want the caster trinket from grim batol

[lethal arrow]

make me 22 star my gear

[frigid pilot]

on top of that its a D tier key to pug because clowns cant do simple mechanics on a 10

[amber brook]

why stop at 22 when you can 23

[lethal arrow]

3% might as well be 100%

ur right

[frigid pilot]

they should always have bullions for cringe m+ gear

[amber brook]

fuck it

[mint urchin]

the incentive to improve should just come from "I want to be better" not "I need higher ilvl"

[amber brook]

lets go 25

[soft surge]

https://i.imgur.com/tLfzP3i.png out of maybe 100 runs now https://i.imgur.com/X55vD2e.png

[errant mauve]

SoD is the future of the game if they take all they learned from it and implement it into a classic plus

[frigid pilot]

i had to do 50+ court of stars for the trinket

[lethal arrow]

3% 3 times in a row? ez

[frigid pilot]

44 everblooms

everytime bis trinket from m+ its cringe

[soft surge]

seen 5 graces in like 100 runs

[amber brook]

blizz will add safe protection scroll as a cash item

I see the money it brings

[oak tangle]

I think that i have a vastly differing opinion on this, because i don't do mythic prog or CE most tiers, This tier im filling in a couple spots for a friends team, and we're progging rashanan, but like my game is AOTC and then m+. which means i like that m+ is not a cake walk, and im also not getting the gear at an accelerated rate from mythic raid so... yeah

[mint urchin]

But its infinitely scaling, you will also get to a part where its not a cake walk is my thing

[oak tangle]

rewards cap at 10

[mint urchin]

So do you play it because its fun or for loot?

[lethal arrow]

bring back reforging but make it like potentials

[errant mauve]

They timegate shit because the content they put out is trash and will only last a month if they don’t timegate shit

[oak tangle]

both

[lethal arrow]

where its completely random

[oak tangle]

m+ is how i gear

[frigid pilot]

Yeah

they much prefer m+ being bios

cus more subs

[soft surge]

if u take some dopamine ergh supplements" it can make things easier

[oak tangle]

i would like to see this implemented, set a key rank, idk 15's or something, and if you time it, the end of dungeon loot is myth track, time gate it if you will, 1 piece a week or something, but it is terrible that im expected to mythic raid or hope 1 of 3 slots each week is decent

[lethal arrow]

life would be easier if gearing wasnt random at the top end

[mint urchin]

I miss boullions

[worthy surge]

!sim

[lethal arrow]

dinars and boullions should just always be a system

really makes no sense for ppl to have to pray for bis

[slim pebble]

I wouldn’t actually do it I just thought about

[oak tangle]

i died on mythic sikran, i was happy when we wiped at 5%

[devout fractal]

dumb q: sudden demise works with crimson tempest right?

[coral ibex]

does anyone have insight as to why the northern sky external request macro/weakaura might not work?

[gloomy heart]

TOOK MY PFP

[coral ibex]

mak gora for it

[gloomy heart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1069423231695589456/1291486900477231134/vidu-high-performance--4-2024-09-20T02_03_44Z-ezgif.com-resize.gif

[spice surge]

Yes

[novel parcel]

Hi hello I want some help on why my hero talent mark just doesnt apply sometimes on pull?? Its hella fucking me since I'm just starting queen prog and need to save vanish both for MA and first root break. Tf is causing my mark to just not be applied on pull despite me opening with ambush

[lethal arrow]

you gettin parried?

[novel parcel]

Does my first hit getting parried make mark not apply???

Cus if so

[lethal arrow]

yeh

[novel parcel]

Thats so fucking cool

Oh AMAZING

[lethal arrow]

just be on the side of the boss

[novel parcel]

I try

[lethal arrow]

or catch it on the run in

[novel parcel]

But sometimes my tanks hate me

Which is cool

[lethal arrow]

it happens

itll parry your kingsbane too

[novel parcel]

Oh yeah I know that

[lethal arrow]

and if u misalign ur dsm itll just eat the mark during p2

[novel parcel]

I had some fun times with that on broodtwister and h queen

[lethal arrow]

a lot of fun in that fight

[slate crown]

get a sub rogue

[novel parcel]

We have a outlaw and sin LOL

Sub rogues dont exist in this guild

[slate crown]

make the otl go sub lol

[polar timber]

not having caustic work off you has sucked this tier

[novel parcel]

I am so lazy and dont wanna learn it

[lethal arrow]

did it used to work off you?

[oak tangle]

i hate tanks so much

it's like they have no concept of what shroud does

and inevitably a healer gets angry when i get meleed on pull when a ranged is first hit

[errant mauve]

Tricks the ranged dps or the healer when they really piss you off

It’s kinda fun

[oak tangle]

it's useless, when a tank doesn't walk forwards, and get into melee range on pull it will just hit the closest person

[spice spire]

Bro I get it now

I feel the lust

Never stop pulling

[oak tangle]

it's why we have cheat death, to deal with tanks not pressing w

[worthy surge]

had this for ages man

[desert vault]

Is there just something like the first 40-50% of Brood Caustic Splatter doesn't do a lot of damage? All my pulls my logs just have CS pretty low, most of the time Envenom is higher damage

[spare flame]

Are any of you using a different opener on mythic kyveza? Im losing kingsbane windows on half the pulls as the timing works out that i have to run out with lines right then

[coral ibex]

cloak the lines, never get orb debuff

[runic hinge]

Just don’t get the lines

[coral ibex]

[spare flame]

🫠

Is that legit and does it work out that i can cloak every one?

[hollow talon]

every 2 min u can

[novel star]

you can hold kb for like 2 seconds

to confirm no charge

oh wait opener

its like a non issue in opener

2nd charges its kinda awk

[languid yoke]

Readin up on wowhead guide for Weapon Buff. can you use Mana oil as well, or is it only Whetstone avaible?

[vivid stream]

Why are the simcraft numbers low for assa, at only like 1.46dps

[pulsar elk]

Ovi'nax's Mercurial Egg, what is the best way to use that for? Pure agility, click on use if i have to move?

[mint urchin]

So we can gaslight blizzard into buffing our ST

[runic hinge]

Mana oil is cheaper but whetstone is just better

And wax is free and on par with mana oil

[runic hinge]

You wanna be around 20 stacks or something. There’s a weakaura

[languid yoke]

alright. ty ty i'll mana oil for a while. in that case.

[mint urchin]

Not sure about your server but whetstones have gotten pretty cheap lately

[runic hinge]

I think they’re a commodity so it would be all servers

Unless you mean na/eu

But anyways yeah they’re pretty cheap now

[mint urchin]

the rank 2 which is only 40ap less is like 120-130g

[languid yoke]

r3 is 220g ish. rank 1 / 2 is 150-165g. per one at my server.

[mint urchin]

if you are on a budget

[slate crown]

nullstones 📉 📉

so whetstones are now affordable

[mint urchin]

thank god nullstones dropped

[runic hinge]

Yeah I bought like 100 the other day

[mint urchin]

made me go broke

[runic hinge]

Whetstones

I was just using wax for a while

[slate crown]

yeah I've sold like 2k of them over the last 2 days

[coral ibex]

same

but then i sold 2 tokens during the bruto spike

[languid yoke]

just dinged 80. how much more crit do i need, / mast.

[coral ibex]

so now im good for the tier

you dont

[languid yoke]

or do i need haste?

[coral ibex]

need any particular stat

[past panther]

you need ilvl

[slate crown]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[languid yoke]

that too.

[coral ibex]

you need ilvl

[runic hinge]

Just get ilvl til you hit like 636

[past panther]

And only ilvl for a very long time lol

[runic hinge]

Then care about your stats

And just sim what you got

[pulsar elk]

Which one is it

[still snow]

Hi all, have a question, should i use kingsbane on cd?

[coral ibex]

you got about 50 overall ilvl to get before substats might matter to you

[still snow]

Or in special moments?

[coral ibex]

and even then they still prob dont matter

[runic hinge]

@slate crown do you have an egg weak aura

Omnivax

[coral ibex]

you should almost always use your cds on cd

unless your target is gonna die very soon (within 15s)

[past panther]

im 623 and the robot still tells me ilvl > mastery > everything else lol

[slate crown]

https://wago.io/3h6u99R3h

[runic hinge]

There you go

[coral ibex]

getting more uses of your cooldowns is good, provided they arent wasted

[coral ibex]

im 632 and the sim says ilvl over everything still

[lunar kayak]

highest lv rogues taking twist the knife over bleed out capstone in m+, is that a “they know what they’re doing” kinda thing or should that be what i do also

[coral ibex]

it improves single target (a weakness in m+ for us) at the cost of some bleed damage in aoe (which we are already extremely strong in)

[lunar kayak]

gotcha

thank ya

[runic hinge]

It is not gonna shift your overall some huge amount mind you

[coral ibex]

yea its extremely minor and mostly a feel/per-group thing

[lunar kayak]

yeah that’s fair, might be nice to feel slightly better in ST

[coral ibex]

if you feel like you want more st in your m+ then take ttk

if you want more giga aoe bc you have an enh in your group, take sd

[still snow]

Trying to figure out )

[coral ibex]

or ignore this advice and pick the talents you like

because they're all within margin and balanced very well

[mint urchin]

aka drop iron wire

[coral ibex]

i'm gonna find you

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-i-fucking-get-you-neko-atsume-me-when-me-when-i-get-you-mrtheyes-gif-4157721420697656658

[slate crown]

You use Deathmark and Kingsbane together, then kingsbnae on its own, then deathmark and kingsbane together again. Repeat. Sometimes offset in aoe with different packs but that's the general cadence. Or, per @coral ibex , use your cds on cd (because they line up that way)

[flat void]

Do you put Authority of the Depths on both daggers, or Radiant Power on one and Depths on one?

[coral ibex]

yea sometimes kingsbane comes up and a pack is about to die and its gonna be like 15s before i can press it on the next pack and then it desyncs from deathmark

but thats ok

you just wait to resync them

[coral ibex]

depths if you only do raid and 2x power if you ever do m+ as well

[flat void]

Mmmmh... I'm mostly raiding. But i'll need to start doing a little m+ to get guilded crests

[slate crown]

I just do power

because it's more flexible

and I cba to minmax the enchant, it's fine either way

[flat void]

am i making a mistake by having one of each, or should you always stack two?

[slate crown]

no, one of each is also fine

[flat void]

aight i'll just do that

[slate crown]

you can sim to see the difference

[amber brook]

3/3 i think

[flat void]

thanks

[amber brook]

2/3

[still snow]

Thank you)

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-i-get-you-gif-1834222127792525549

[upper wraith]

Fatebound is chill for raid.

[grim glen]

I havea question about restealthing in dungeons.
People say it is "not that bad". But without vanish, it takes you more than 2x the globals to setup + if you are energy starved, cuz you tried to finish off the last mob of the old pack. To me that means I am taking at least double the time do my setup.
Can someone please be explain how that is not pretty noticable in your overall, if you need 10-12s instead of 5-6s to do your setup in a 10 where some packs live 20-30s

[runic hinge]

It’s better for the whole group to chain pull and if the tank is dragging one low health mob into the next pack that’s not real chain pulling

[subtle tundra]

if packs live 20-30s, you are not doing relevant content

so who cares!

a restealth or two less

[runic hinge]

Mr catfish is right

[amber brook]

Has anyone recieved the warcraft direct mounts?

[lethal arrow]

the restealth thing really doesnt matter

[grim glen]

in the scenario i described it does not matter?

[grim glen]

so in fact it does matter?

[runic hinge]

Matters to who?

[grim glen]

not talkinb about who cares, talking about if it matters

[lethal arrow]

most of ur dmg is spatter/CT

[subtle tundra]

if you get 0 restealths in the whole dungeon

yes

it matter

but thats not the case

you sometimes chain once or twice a dungeon

your overall wont plummet

[lethal arrow]

its gunna feel like shit but it ultimately has very little impact if youre not restealthing literally every pack

[grim glen]

I am not saying my overall tanks because of 1 missed restealth

[lethal arrow]

if it doesnt live long enough for you to put a couple ruptures out

then the content is too easy for it to matter

[runic hinge]

You’re not not timing your key cause you miss a couple restealths in a 10

[grim glen]

You guys are talking around my point

I never said any of the things you say

[lethal arrow]

its not noticeable inyour overall

because rupture and garrote are not most of your damage in your overall

[runic hinge]

Time spent not in combat is worse for your overall than a couple missed restealths

[vagrant brook]

yes but 5 ruptures gives you 20% more agility

and 5 ruptures is at least 10s

without being stealthed

[lethal arrow]

well u dont need to do 5 ruptures every pack

if ur not getting stealth lol

[hollow river]

i haven't, but i hear some people have yes

[lethal arrow]

if the pack is dying too fast for u to put up a couple ruptures, its not gunna matter anyways

[subtle tundra]

its gonna be significant to your details overall, comparably
but for timer you actually should look at dps over the key timer, which is visible in logs

[gusty plover]

how do i sim embelishments in raidbots

[subtle tundra]

which i doubt is much worse

if even

[lethal arrow]

and at the end of the day, if u time the dungeon

[vagrant brook]

this is the correct answer

[hollow river]

i lied, just relogged and got them

[lethal arrow]

ultimately who cares!

[amber brook]

oo

time to see if its here then

[vagrant brook]

people care about overall dps

its a fucking game

it gives them dopamine

[gusty plover]

got regicide and im wondering if its better to craft belt first for dawnthreat embelishment or equip regice + kukri

since Im out of crest

[vagrant brook]

its not all about timing a key because timing a key with 1s left is a different feeling than 2 chesting it

[grim glen]

I am not an idiot. I know that one pull is not make or break my overall. But saying a missed restealth doesnt matter is just weird. It 100% matters if the pack is shortlived, like most weekly 10s are. My fury warrior almost solos the pack.
Just saying "you still will time it" "you wont really notice it in your overall" is besides the point. I can just afk a pull and my overall goes from 1.9 to 1.8. Or "youll still time i" is even better, I can also just afk the entire dungeon, the other 4 will still time it, so it doesnt matter.

I was talking about I miss a restealth, and my dmg is gonna tank on the next pull, given you play with decent players doing your weekly 10.

[subtle tundra]

once you do challenging content where the timer is your enemy, chain pulling is really important

idk

if you care so much about overall

go enhancement

[lethal arrow]

ok run double vanish

???

[subtle tundra]

fotm reroll

[lethal arrow]

like what?

[subtle tundra]

i cant for the love of god care about my overalls in weekly 10

[grim glen]

I never mentioned overall

it is not about that

[vagrant brook]

if restealth doesnt matter than why do we take subterfuge

[lethal arrow]

im gunna explode

[vagrant brook]

if i cant restealth why do I take iron wire then

[grim glen]

well my bad, it explained this part bad i guess

[lethal arrow]

if u are stressing over it

just run the build with WAT

and press vanish

[subtle tundra]

yes it feels bad, ofc it feels bad
yes its a dps loss for us, ofc it is

we literally talent into stealth related things

[slate crown]

I have some bad news for you.

[subtle tundra]

if we dont get stealth ofc we lose dps

idk what answer youre looking for

those are obvious

[vagrant brook]

im just on the side of Nite

and not just saying "it doesnt matter" cope answers

[subtle tundra]

for me, it doesnt matter

so im giving my perspective

[lethal arrow]

oops wrong talent

[vagrant brook]

its also a feeling thing, not just overall dps

it feels bad

[slate crown]

You're not wrong for feeling the things you feel.

[lethal arrow]

it does feel bad

but ur just gunna have to play around it

the most u can do is take different talents and make it feel SLIGHTLY less bad

[hollow gazelle]

run double vanish/meld and you never have to worry much about that

[vagrant brook]

there is also different kinds of chain pulling that tanks do

[topaz egret]

Make subterfuge a 30 sec cd that grants stealth effects for 6/12 seconds, that’s all he’s asking for

[subtle tundra]

so, shadow dance?

which uh

got removed

[topaz egret]

Yes do but like more poisony

[slate crown]

You can still run shadow dance

[lethal arrow]

name it something edgy like blood dance

call it a day

[topaz egret]

Poison poof

[subtle tundra]

ASS

[lethal arrow]

bloody poison breakdance

[grim glen]

The issue with the argument "one restealth doesnt matter cuz it wont affect overall" is that you are answering can 300V kill you with it doesnt matter if you get hit by lightning.

[subtle tundra]

then i dont understand what you want to hear..........

[lethal arrow]

huh

[mint urchin]

Its never been a statement about it not being bad its that chain pulling is better for the overall performance of the dungeon/group.

So its a "suck it up" as opposed to "is it good or bad"

Its obviously objectively bad for your personal perf

[lethal arrow]

chainpulling good for timing

and +ing

[mint urchin]

But its better for the key and the group

[subtle tundra]

restealths back in bfa were huge cause stealth garrote was doing 30-40% of dmg in a pack, nothing else was doing dmg

[lethal arrow]

your personal comfort sadly does not matter

[grim glen]

not chainpulling a mob on 5% though

[mint urchin]

Thats jsut bad play

not chainpulling

[feral wasp]

I dont remember when is the last time my tank chain pulled and i couldnt restealth with vanish or meld, just go nelf

[subtle tundra]

now you can manually do some ruptures and caustic + CT still do dmg

[royal lantern]

thats a take

[lethal arrow]

youre asking will 300v kill you, and we're telling you it doesnt matter because everyone in here gets hit by 300v and dies and we're accepting it

but youre looking for a way to live the 300v and we're saying well you can make it hurt less by putting on rubber gloves or a rubber hat but its still ultimately gunna kill you but those solutions arent fool proof and at the end of the day the least youre gunna be taking is about 250 v and thats still not really good enough

[slate crown]

Can we torture this analogy a bit more?

[mint urchin]

Yes

[lethal arrow]

yeah

[mint urchin]

Im sure we can

[calm shell]

Hello guys i’m just starting to get back on my rogue after some years. I’m trying to find a good pandemic WA set i used back in the days. Any ideas where can i get it? Pic for example.

[lethal arrow]

there i added on to it

[vagrant brook]

if your pack is like 50% hp and the tank pulls 3 more adds, and repeats this throught the dungeon, its really not a big deal
but if your tank waits for the last mob to be 5% hp and then pulls a full pack afterwards, that's the fucking issue

[slate crown]

!wa Icons seem all over the place but you do you.

Best I can offer is to peruse the below options and see if you like any. They all will show pandemic ranges.

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
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LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[grim glen]

Have you been with random tanks? That is exactly what they do, cuz at the end of the pack they remember "oh wait kira chainpulls, and I need to do it too"

[royal lantern]

i mean the entire discussion is stupid

like, mfs act as if they have 0stealth in the entire dungeons all the time when thats just not the case at all, the amount of packs you cant stealth in every dungeon can be counted on 1hand

and for those moments you either use vanish or just suck it up and play

so stop being a little Diva that cries all the time lol

[royal lantern]

they dont

stop lying

[grim glen]

ok tryan

[royal lantern]

it happens once in a while and you blow it out of propotion

[subtle tundra]

we chain pull in high keys plenty

[royal lantern]

its not "all the time omg"

[lethal arrow]

you might want one that lights up when its in range so u can reduce some coggy overload

[subtle tundra]

cause its for timer

[feral wasp]

Whats your rio?

[subtle tundra]

12

[hollow river]

72

[lethal arrow]

12 rio

[grim glen]

Am I gonna fucking have to look up my mots log from yesterday where the tank did that 3x within 15 minutes?

[lethal arrow]

damn hes good

[royal lantern]

65

[lethal arrow]

did u consider asking him to stop nicely?

[grim glen]

Yes

[slate crown]

someone has less rio than me?

[lethal arrow]

and perhaps request a restealth?

[feral wasp]

Nite whats your rio

[royal lantern]

3 times in 15min is half a dungeon and you complain ablut that???????

what the fuck

[grim glen]

on my rogue im just doing 10s, my main is 3.1k

[vagrant brook]

it happens pretty often with random tanks, but usually they are people that do not main tank and are playing on an alt, even in 12s

[subtle tundra]

ill never get a rogue in my key when i tank

its chaincity

😼

[lethal arrow]

i prefer chain pulls

really warms the hands

[subtle tundra]

my teammates ask for restealths when i tank(there is no rogue in the group)

[slate crown]

touched my eyeball after cutting serranos now my eye's all tingly

[grim glen]

sorry

i guess i offended you

[mint urchin]

So basically its like reading this disc atm?

[slate crown]

what do you use to tank

[lethal arrow]

better ur eye than anything else

[subtle tundra]

my shield

[slate crown]

you know rogues used to have shields

in the alpha for this game

[subtle tundra]

id use one

[lethal arrow]

rogues used to have rights

[vagrant brook]

i wish rogues still had a bow/gun/thrown slot

just to fuck with hunters

and still their shit

[subtle tundra]

wait 3.5k is easy af

[lethal arrow]

the 18 being NW is kinda funny

[subtle tundra]

17 sv and 18 nw hard

but everything else free

[grim glen]

just getting ganked by 5 people, it's pretty difficult to argue when 5 people counter your points at the same time

[subtle tundra]

yea cause ive been an assa main for many years, idc about restealths

[mint urchin]

Its not really an argument, its just the acceptance that it happens and esp with pug tanks theres nothing you can do about it

[grim glen]

I accept it happens

[mint urchin]

Its def not great, but, that pug tank that doesnt even read chat certainly isnt going to listen

[grim glen]

Saying it doesnt matter on the pack were it happens, I just dont see how that can be true

[subtle tundra]

its a mental block

get over it!

[lethal arrow]

you can watch a high level key and how they play

[slate crown]

It's ok to feel frustrated, you're not the first to feel frustrated about it.

If you stub your toe on your way out the door to drive to work, it certainly makes your drive less comfortable. It sucks.

Yet you pick up your keys and carry on anyways.

[mint urchin]

You didnt want to do the volts metaphor?

I thought we had one runnin

[lethal arrow]

lemme go grab it

[royal lantern]

ah yes, the "idk what to say against that, so im just acting as if they are angry, that will show em" move, a classic move by people that dont even care in the first Place and just wanna complain

[lethal arrow]

youre asking will 300v kill you, and we're telling you it doesnt matter because everyone in here gets hit by 300v and dies and we're accepting it
but youre looking for a way to live the 300v and we're saying well you can make it hurt less by putting on rubber gloves or a rubber hat but its still ultimately gunna kill you but those solutions arent fool proof and at the end of the day the least youre gunna be taking is about 250v

[slate crown]

I'm sorry I didn't appreciate the effort you put in, I got distracted by the WA question. Thank you for your time, I appreciate it

[lethal arrow]

👍

[royal lantern]

Quake can take 300v

[lethal arrow]

i want to take 300v

[grim glen]

Nope, you are just unpleasant to talk to

[slate crown]

@spice spire

[subtle tundra]

i can take 300mm

[slate crown]

confirm

or deny

[mint urchin]

I mean, its still better then being outlaw and watching all your buffs slowly expire

[grim glen]

Chill guys, I had typed sth with measurement noise that made more sense

but that sounded a bit weird, so I changed it

it got worse though xD

[mint urchin]

You should tell them you also don't run with iron wire, that'll get em going

[lethal arrow]

could be outlaw and be sad that they took 5 yards from you

[quiet oar]

I can only offer you 30mm

[lethal arrow]

so you have to stand in the closest possible range

[mint urchin]

But they fixed BtE bug! Winning

[lethal arrow]

W!

still hate how current outlaw plays

[vagrant brook]

it's ok most people in this channel are unpleasant to talk to unless you have 4k rio or play in the RWF

[mint urchin]

I love it but I don't have the brain capacity to play it for long periods cause I am monkey

[slate crown]

I feel I have a nice time in here with most people. You should ask my rio

[grim glen]

Nah, its not about the that

[cobalt sphinx]

i wouldn't worry too much about it

[subtle tundra]

thanks, my efforts are recognized.

[cobalt sphinx]

every class discord has people like that

[subtle tundra]

13?

[grim glen]

shit 1 more than me

[vagrant brook]

I just feel like most people here don't try to help rogue players that are not key pushers, stating that the content they do doesn't matter

[blazing pumice]

@subtle tundra can i ask what your strat is for 1st boss of mists

[slate crown]

yah something like that

[blazing pumice]

do you hold dm for the burn?

[subtle tundra]

what key level

[blazing pumice]

15

[subtle tundra]

what comp

[blazing pumice]

pwar/rest pally/ret/usually enhance or fdk

it feels like the in between phases are going on forever

[oak tangle]

at the risk of adding to the people piling on you, i think you are grossly overestimating how much impact restealth actually has

[subtle tundra]

people need to learn to dps

uh

[blazing pumice]

how many burn phases do you have in a high key

2 or 3

[subtle tundra]

kb on pull on TREE(keep in mind, if you dont get kb back, you need to wait)

[subtle tundra]

2

[cobalt sphinx]

actually half of them are actively proud that they do not push keys and will never push keys

[blazing pumice]

i was thinking last night you could dm on pull

[subtle tundra]

if you get more than 2, its key over

[subtle tundra]

nah

[blazing pumice]

and then use dm on the second burn

[subtle tundra]

i can tell you what we did on 17

yesterday

[grim glen]

From my PoV, if it happens once, it doesnt noticeably affect my overall. But if the tank chains 1 mob at 5% into a pulll that lives for 25s, I'll certainly notice that in this one pull, especially if I have dumped all my energy in the last mob to kill it off, no?

[blazing pumice]

we timed a 15 siege last night but keep repeatedly bricking mists lul

[subtle tundra]

kb pull, push at 1min+, kb+dm intermission
kb tree between phases,
kb+dm 2nd intermission(really hard for healing)

[oak tangle]

put a rupture on the mob as a last global and go back to full energy, restealth is primarily a utility and gcd saver, but not that important

[subtle tundra]

but depends on boss hp

if boss is low after first intermission, you dont need dm and can push fast

[blazing pumice]

and what are you doing about losing dm to the tree before phasing

[grim glen]

Am I mistaken that i should get 5-6 bleeds out, before doing the fok+mulitilate+envenom spam?

[blazing pumice]

do you just do 5cp finishers?

[subtle tundra]

yes

[blazing pumice]

or 6cp

[subtle tundra]

i dont proc the mark

if i know i cant get it back

[oak tangle]

5 ruptures, as i said restealth is nice to have, but it really isn't that huge

[subtle tundra]

but you should have vanish anyways

if you fuck up

you vanish anyways

MA crit really big

[blazing pumice]

last q. am i trolling running woat + ttk

is there something better for mists

[subtle tundra]

woat?

[blazing pumice]

without a trace

wat

sorry

[subtle tundra]

ah

[oak tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/wat-gif-5001440307614895833

[subtle tundra]

i do play WaT

idk how worth it is

actually

it is

nvm

im smart

[lethal arrow]

its good in high keys

[subtle tundra]

i dont do ttk though, no iron wire and get sanguine

[blazing pumice]

that is what i ran on siege

[subtle tundra]

im talking specifically about mists

[blazing pumice]

but i thought ttk would be better than sanguine

for treeboy

[subtle tundra]

siege is easiest dungeon until last boss

then its a raid boss

[lethal arrow]

probably still good

[grim glen]

I dont get it then. it literally takes 4 globals to have 5-6 ruputes with stealth. It takes 10 to get to 5 ruptures without stealth. Sounds like a very delayed start of me actually donig dmg to the pack, or?

[lethal arrow]

mists still has that stupid thing where the maze unstealths you

[blazing pumice]

honestly haven't had that issue anymore

[subtle tundra]

doesnt if you play subterfuge

[blazing pumice]

i just stay back

[subtle tundra]

so you can safely go to the pack

[blazing pumice]

it's not like you are using sstep for anything else

[subtle tundra]

but you know

i fucking hate

that mistcaller is bugged again and doesnt do dmg to adds

its such a hard boss

[lethal arrow]

the real question is why it only affects us

and not ferals

[blazing pumice]

we've had it like

sometimes work

[subtle tundra]

it was 5.5min boss in 17 for us -.-

[blazing pumice]

it seems to be random

[subtle tundra]

boring ass fight

weve never had it work

in any push key

we did in a weekly 10

[lethal arrow]

i think they turned that off right

cuz it was bugged so they just made it not hurt the adds?

remember reading that in a blue post somewhere

[royal lantern]

you dont wanna know how stealth is coded

or vanish

or cloak

its a mess

[lethal arrow]

love the cloak also for some reason removing fixate from the GB 3rd boss adds

[subtle tundra]

fuck that boss

fuck grimba

need to time that piss in 16

so i can ignore it

[lethal arrow]

and DSM falling off so u have to swap it to an add before he phases

or use vanish

[keen spruce]

@subtle tundra how are you using vanish with WaT?

[royal lantern]

shmeeps appears

[keen spruce]

like i'm assuming you're sending one for dmg in CDs

but what are you doin with the extra one

[subtle tundra]

just like i would without, for MA

[keen spruce]

just restealths

[oak tangle]

start applying as the pack is being grouped, if you are unloading on an add early you'll rip threat and things wont be in range for cleave, if the pack is small enough to not have grouping time, then it's also small enough to not be relevant, if it is still relevant you have vanish

[subtle tundra]

emergency iron wires, packs where we have bad dps so i need to redot, chain pulls

[keen spruce]

ic

[subtle tundra]

yea for ic too

[keen spruce]

which dungeons are you droppin IW in?

[subtle tundra]

quite a lot

[keen spruce]

feels fine in siege

DB

mist

[subtle tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/big-trouble-if-i-speak-if-i-speak-i-am-in-big-trouble-speak-big-gif-23519858

[keen spruce]

[lethal arrow]

probably dont need it in arakara either

[keen spruce]

yeah ara

[subtle tundra]

i do in arakara

[lethal arrow]

CoT? maybe

[keen spruce]

ig first area it's kinda nice

[subtle tundra]

cause left side after first boss

[lethal arrow]

i dont remember if we kick anything in CoT

[subtle tundra]

and first pull

[keen spruce]

yeah CoT not really needed

[oak tangle]

dont need it in any dungeon, if they can do it without a rogue, they can do it without iron wire

[lethal arrow]

based

[mint urchin]

Just the tall casters

in CoT

[oak tangle]

that being said, dont drop IW

[mint urchin]

and maybe last area

[subtle tundra]

i did play it in 16 CoT, by mistake, but i did

it felt good

[keen spruce]

memz I am reaching the "i need more damage or i'm gonna get bullied" keys so I'm dabbling in unethical behavior

[subtle tundra]

YOU feel good

[blazing pumice]

i'd drop it if i had a prot pally

[subtle tundra]

its a skill issue then