assassination

[grim glen]

ah thanks

[mint urchin]

Both spyglass and sac are good

[ripe bobcat]

but spyglas is a debuff on ONE mob isnt it?

[mint urchin]

Spyglass gives you crit which increases your dam on all targets in aoe but it stacks via primary target

[ornate wagon]

Hey guys new to Assas rouge in aoe is 5 ruptures + garrote correct or just 5 ruptures? Ty guys

[smoky helm]

i prefer it over the sac tbh

[mint urchin]

I run spyglass myself over sac but its not a huge diff between the two

they are both good

[ripe bobcat]

aahhhhhhhhhhhhhh ok. so the buff is for me and counts for all. if i want a "higher" buff i go on my Spymasterdebuff target right?

spyglas sry

[mint urchin]

the spyglass marks a target, hitting that target has a chance to give crit

crit is applicable to everything you are hitting

[slim pebble]

Tens are now at the point where things aren’t living a full KB in pugs 🙃

[jolly heath]

guys is it griefing for going 2x vanish instead of race change to gnome for queen prog?

[quartz spear]

Is it "direct" hits or do bleeds proc it?

[slim pebble]

Why would you have to play gnome

[jolly heath]

cause i dont have freedom, tiger lust

[mint urchin]

I don't know everything but it says "attacking" so like FoK would proc it even if you are targeting something else

[winged widget]

is your guild paying for that race change?

[jolly heath]

no lol

[zenith tree]

Then don't do it

[spice surge]

Its not that bad, but it should be fine to play whatever race you want to play

Since theyve turbo nerfed the tomb health it should be killable by a single fury warrior on 3

[winged widget]

also ansurek just got nerfed, so it might not even be "needed" to go gnome

[spice surge]

And youre likely to have atleast some other member of your raid that cant break themselves out on # 3

[spice surge]

Wasnt before either, but you needed 2 people that do damage to tombs, so fury+sub, 2x fury or whatever

[jolly heath]

ok our comp dont have a fury and i think there is only 1-2 person who can't get out included me

[proper nest]

Anyone got a good WA to track AOE garrotes and ruptures ?

[spice surge]

Ye but aslong as theres 1 other person you have to kill tombs anyway

And killing 2 or 3 tombs is pretty much the same as killing one

[jolly heath]

actually no, i just checked again

only 2 rogues can't get out

everyone else can free themself

so our rl are asking what's my take to race change

[winged widget]

aye. thats the reason for the """. you know how it goes. people see some wacky stuff and immediately think they need to copy that exact strat.
sometimes it works, sometimes it's miserable

[scarlet basin]

what to pick ? 🙂

[winged widget]

not knowing what else you have, crystal.

[spring briar]

Crystal or neck

[scarlet basin]

thats it rest is low ilvl

[covert summit]

Hello guys! I am stuck between taking a chest piece(has mastery crit) or the Treacherous Transmitter. Already have head and neck. Have a crit mastery rings.

[winged widget]

if you're cool with the trinket mini-game, transmitter is a no brainer.

big dam

[covert summit]

Yeah, it is a 15k dps on single target

[winged widget]

if you find the minigame thing cringe af and isn't sure if you're up for that, reject transmitter

[tired gull]

when running transmitter on sin, do we save it for deathmark cds

[winged widget]

yes

[mint urchin]

I like the chest in this situation if you think you can just get transmitter from raid

crit/mast mythic chest is a lot harder to get from vault

[warped jackal]

i found what the problem it from plater . if you set plater on stacking plater will try to 24/7 adjust the health bar pos so they dont stack and the health bar become floaty and bounce around . if the mops movs or ( if move your camera Turn around etc even a little the health bar start bouncing around again )

[mild dove]

does Zoldyck count towards Sudden Demise?

[winged widget]

afaik, yes

[spice surge]

Yes

[covert summit]

Transmitter is easier to get, but I am kinda low on versa. Dont I need a few % on versa?

[winged widget]

sim it

[mint urchin]

^

[uneven plume]

Do your guys snowballs in Mists second boss not damage the clones too?

[lethal turtle]

Only dmgs fox now

[uneven plume]

is that intended or bugged?

I dont even think it damages the fox

[quaint depot]

They fixed the bug

it used to kill the fox instantly if you ran them into the balls.

now you have to do the mechanic

[uneven plume]

the fox doesnt matter, its the clones

they removed damage to clones as well?

[quaint depot]

Oh okay, Sorry maybe thats what they fixed

[winged widget]

they did. a few weeks ago, iirc

[quaint depot]

Yeah i dont think the dodgeballs hurt anything besides players now, it didnt seem to in the mists 14 i ran this morning

[uneven plume]

It killed clones last week

and it kills clones now but once in a blue moon

before it was every bait

i just know they removed bait on the affix

not the actual clone

[winged widget]

they reduced the dmg it deals to clones significantly, iirc.

[uneven plume]

Seems they reduced it to 0

[mint urchin]

^ I thought they did both the clones and the fox

I've not noticed the ball killing any clones in any of my runs recently

[winged widget]

Mists of Tirna Scithe
Dodgeball will no longer inflict damage to illusions or adds created by Xal'atath

found it

[uneven plume]

when was this

start of season right

[winged widget]

october 10th, apparently

[uneven plume]

yah the clones were killable with baits way after that hotfix

[quaint sun]

Anyone know why all top assass rogues place their crafted Everforged Stabber in their off-hand? Does it incur more procs (ascension embellishment) or something, maybe related to Shiv? Sims are showing no difference but every rogue to places it in off-hand.

[winged widget]

less ilvl

[mint urchin]

No its because they want the higher ilvl in MH

[uneven plume]

Maybe he was asking if the MH was also 636

[quaint sun]

yeah i am

[uneven plume]

unless yah, the MH is 639

[winged widget]

might just be because they are used to it

[mint urchin]

If both are 636 there is no difference, most do it to have the embellishment and then put a 639 in MH

[winged widget]

just you dont get the weird thing of getting a 639MH and forgetting to swap it

[quaint sun]

ohh i see, upgrades go to 639. CARRY ON

nothing to see here

[winged widget]

so you just condition yourself to have the crafted one on the OH already

[short night]

iis it fine to put writhiing armor on a cloak?

im never going to get close to bis or even myth gear on this toon

just trying to gear to do some heroic for fun

[winged widget]

if you dont care about the rashanan one, yes

[mint urchin]

You can put it on any piece you want

[short night]

theres a rash cloak?

[winged widget]

yes, the very rare one

[short night]

ohh okay. yeah i probably wont get that lol

[mint urchin]

If you arent going to get bis or myth gear it really doesnt matter what you do

[winged widget]

just craft the cloak then. it's perfectly fine

[night summit]

which trinket is best

[winged widget]

especially because writhing armor doesn't care about ilvl and cloak is a low stat budget item. very convenient just like wrist

[winged widget]

gotta sim it.

[mint urchin]

Probably neither

[winged widget]

yep

great on use+the best hero track passive already? easy. or champion track. not sure about your knife there.

[night summit]

thanks guys

[winged widget]

either way, the responsible answer is still "sim it"

[arctic socket]

Mandate will be better of the two

[cobalt sphinx]

warcraft direct in 15 mins

turn up

[winged widget]

maybe they announce rogue hero talent rework.

special event just for us

[ornate wagon]

Hey guys new to Assas rouge in aoe is 5 ruptures + garrote correct or just 5 ruptures? Ty guys

[vast patio]

crystal 1000%

[winged widget]

at the opening? both. later, you reapply ruptures and keep the garrote on your main target pretty much

[dense talon]

for third boss of siege, if the boss is doing 7 million damage for break waters, how do classes with limited survivability even sustain like hunter etc?

[mint urchin]

Hunter has a decent amount of survivability now

but other then that, externals

[royal lantern]

rogue is 1 of the worst classes for that

[ornate wagon]

For the whole pull pls mate should I keep 5 ruptures up at all times and garrote on main target yeah? Ty

[royal lantern]

hunter is kinda tanky since DF

[dense talon]

why do u say that? doesnt feint help us in that boss?

[royal python]

Press feint

[winged widget]

depends how long the mobs are gonna live. no need to apply a 30 seconds rupture on a mob with 10% health, know what i mean? it's something you gotta pick up as you play and get the feel for it

[royal lantern]

DUH

WELL NO SHIT

you have cloak for 1

then feint/evasion for another one

and hope you dont get targeted/get externals after that

and hope that it hit the DK in the group that has the same DR you have with feint all the time

[mint urchin]

Also a lot of them play with aug

which helps

[royal lantern]

^

[royal python]

He's talking of third boss not fourth

[dense talon]

so each break water hits a different person?

[spice surge]

No

Its random

[royal lantern]

1min WoW stream btw

[winged widget]

he's talking about the swirlie burst from the giant boss

[royal lantern]

https://www.twitch.tv/warcraft

[winged widget]

[royal lantern]

well, same rule, feint every cast

thats it

[winged widget]

that shit should be quite survivable. scary and might drop you really low, but survivable

[royal lantern]

if you push high keys, you basically press feint on CD at that point

[mint urchin]

But yea hunter has a lot of DR, esp survival

so they chillin

[dense talon]

learnt the hard way. was doing 13 SoB, got one tapped by break waters as i forgot to press feint since DM was running

[royal lantern]

yeha, you die then

like, if you go 12 and higher

its basically "press feint every time dmg happens or you die"

[dense talon]

but didnt expect to go from 100 to 0. I thought i will hit 20% or something.

[mint urchin]

High keys make me miss outlaw and running 40%+ vers lol

[spice spire]

Yeah having 7 and fighting for my life while my outlaw bud is running 33 and chilling

[royal lantern]

thats why you dont run high keys

[spice spire]

Sobering stuff

[royal lantern]

[spice spire]

Based

[winged widget]

damn would be crazy to have 20% passive DR for these kind of contents

but no way any class could have something like that

[royal lantern]

blizz doesnt care about keys above +10, and so should you

[winged widget]

[mint urchin]

Yeah and you add feint on it and you are sitting at 40%+ DR

[winged widget]

maybe if they make feint a full passive thing that is up 100% of the time Rogue will be comparable to a dk

[royal lantern]

i mean, yeha

~20% dr is what DR has

[ornate wagon]

Thanks mate on pull then is that what I should aim for then? Also in st is my cp builder mutilate and in aoe fan of knives and use mutilate to keep caustic buff up? Ty 👍

[mint urchin]

You'd have to then also make Cloak apply to the group to be dk

[royal lantern]

i love the deffenssive creep in this game

[spice spire]

Erm actually MDI was up to 11 so they care about keys up to that high

[brazen hare]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[royal python]

N mages should have permanent ice block

[spice spire]

Real

[solid hemlock]

are we using MA in our ST Raid Build now?

[winged widget]

no.
fuck mages.
mages should be deleted.
maybe if mages dont exist, other classes might get the development attention that they need.
mages stole my lunch money

[hollow stone]

orange mages are worse

[royal lantern]

if you wanna make a boomkin angry, tell them that they have a 100% uptime deffenssive

[winged widget]

i highly suggest going through the guide on wowhead for sin rogue. it's a very well written guide and will cover almost everything it not everything you need about rotation

[royal lantern]

[hollow stone]

ooo, thats a good one

[spice surge]

"Bear form is just like feint except better"

That'll rile em up

[cloud basin]

how was Rogue in MoP?

[gloomy heart]

MOP CLASSIC POG

[royal lantern]

it was MoP

aka

every class was basically the same

[cloud basin]

I didnt play lol, so i wouldnt know. I came back at the end of MoP

[royal lantern]

MoP was peak homogenized classes

[next dust]

!FUU

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[thorn fjord]

undermine raid looks cool stylistically

[north hull]

I'm about to craft the everforged stabber 636 and was wondering what embellistment to go with? Considering blessed weapon grip or darkmoon sigil ascension

[normal mist]

HOUSING?!

LETS GOOOOOOOOOO

[gloomy heart]

POG

[coral ibex]

i wonder how much it will cost to buy a home

[normal mist]

Probably free

[coral ibex]

5m for a DIY project xd

[quasi stump]

did you guys like motherlode?

[iron valve]

$90 USD

[coral ibex]

it’s alright

[spice spire]

Just like real life

Damn

[spice surge]

No, but im assuming theyll do changes to it

Because in BFA you pretty much skipped the entire second half because it was so hard and unplayable

[royal lantern]

hey i got an idea

what if we make them real objects in a instance with limited slots and you need to log in once a month to keep your slot???

[fair wharf]

!bug

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[normal mist]

oh no

[quasi stump]

ok so we are getting a goblin raid

goblin these nuts

[spice spire]

I might

[quasi stump]

please

i just need someone

[rotund oak]

what DIY stands for

[quasi stump]

to jiggle my balls

[quasi stump]

dick in you

[spice spire]

Okay but what if we got an affix that put you in a realm where you didn’t have to engage the mobs but you could like fight a boss call it woke or something idk

[spice spire]

Do it yourself

[quasi stump]

WTF WOKE?!?!?!? NO! I NEED TO JERK OFF TO SYLVANIS FEET!

[spice spire]

Sylvanas in the year of our lord 2024? Miss me w tbat

[proven jasper]

Valeera the goat anyways

Smh

[quasi stump]

what about those bat ladys from azj kahet

[rotund oak]

literally?coz i might choke the yellow one that came b4 u^^

[spice spire]

But yeah that’s what diy stands for

[rotund oak]

cool cool

thx my man

[kindred hinge]

I am about to be airdropped onto boss 3-4 and Kyveza in the raid tonight. Any tips in Mythic compared to Heroic from a rogue perspective ?

[pale cove]

how much haste assa want to have in raid?

[rotund oak]

no specific numbers

[quasi stump]

[rotund oak]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[slate crown]

If you get charge, Cloak on the last second before charge goes off to avoid the queensbane dot

For kyveza

you still need to position yourself correctly

but you can at least avoid having to stay out of melee

[pale cove]

ye but i feal 36% crit and 4% haste is not the balance here, but gonna sim myself

[blissful cosmos]

is there a way to tell how much a rogue kept 2 stacks of evenom up in logs

from twist the knife

[cobalt sphinx]

the envenom buff shows a visual of the stacks but i don't know how to get the exact numerical uptime

[rotund oak]

yup simming is the best thing u can do fam

[north hull]

Any thoughts on best embellishment?

[rotund oak]

all suck

minor gains

😅

[kindred hinge]

Cheerrs

[humble socket]

When i get Darknest night with supercharged combo points i notice spending at 5+ refreshes deathstalkers mark. Shoul i still am to cap at 7? or is 5+ fine then

[normal mist]

the less the better

so you can keep the loop going

[ornate wagon]

Guys in aoe once I’ve spread all my bleeds and marked a target with deathstaker do I need to go back to that target and stay with or I’ll lose dmg? Ty guys ♥️

[late surge]

yes

u need to hit the mob with dsm

[humble socket]

That's what i assumed, it also feels really bad to have to mutilate at 6 cp sometimes

[cobalt sphinx]

you should probably just stay on the dsm target the whole time

[late surge]

depends

if u use mouseover macros then yeah

I spread bleeds by targeting personally

but I think its minor loss

[ornate wagon]

Ty appreciate your help ♥️👍

[humble socket]

Also does anyone know a weakaura that can track all the active Ruptures and Garrote, hoping for somthing that will like show a bar for timer with an icon, and the text would have the name of the target

[raven sonnet]

Do u rly need 5 healers for kyveza???

[urban mantle]

Is the Radiant Power better than Authority of Depths for Raids and Dungeons?

[late surge]

its like

+-0 on ST

and better on aoe

but u can also sim it

[wanton needle]

Is caustic worth on mythic bloodbound?

[cobalt sphinx]

if you are swapping to adds yes

[winged widget]

if your group has enough dmg to kill the adds without you, just stay on boss.
but if you are needed to go for adds, be a team player and keep caustic, even if it isn't "significant gain" for you

[cobalt sphinx]

you can't spatter from the boss onto adds, but you can spatter from adds onto the boss

if you have enough damage in your group you can just sit boss though yeah

[late surge]

I think spatter is always better for ur logs tho

[dapper cradle]

does coins damage spatter?

asking for a friend

[cobalt sphinx]

think so yeah

cosmic

[royal lantern]

yes

[rain wraith]

is it fine to drop embelishments?

[nimble vector]

It's not great

[ornate wagon]

Guys why does the guide say to use fan of knives after triggering darkest knight please?

[ornate wagon]

Ty mate ♥️ so is it worth doing this in st aswell pls just for this bonus? Ty

[cobalt sphinx]

yes

[ornate wagon]

Ty so much appreciate your help ♥️👍

[spice spire]

Breadgetter

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah i have to say "let's get this bread" during the pull timer or we aren't killing the boss

[verbal flower]

mythic empowering crystal or hc mandate/sacbrood for st?

simmed it but not sure if im just getting baited by feeling

[cobalt sphinx]

what do the simulations say

[verbal flower]

sims say empowering crystal but not sure if it accurately does mandate execute

[limber lion]

What did you sim exactly?

[cobalt sphinx]

it'll use mandate on cooldown and the damage done will be accurate

[verbal flower]

1 target 5 minutes no pi
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sYaMHYeo2WpCn9pxB48xvH

[limber lion]

It obviously does not use the execute here

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/23vyhaW.jpeg

why the fuck

does this boss

parry

[limber lion]

When there is only one target to kill, what benefit would it get

[marble hemlock]

in the intermission

?????????????????????

[limber lion]

Also, it sims pretty much the same as anything else. 0.2% is basically within margin

[verbal flower]

ty papa cev

[limber lion]

I would personally just run Transmitter + Crystal

Glgl

[limber lion]

Love it. Also love the big tanky guys who are stood still and who you are forced to hit from the front

and they still parry your ass

[young rune]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[somber sparrow]

personally, key abilities should not be allowed to be parried in PvE, but in PvP, sure.

[latent ruin]

!talents

[normal mist]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[marble hemlock]

yep

i also love how shiv cant be parried

[subtle field]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[marble hemlock]

but kingsbane can

cuz for shiv they made it undodgable/parriable like

500 years ago

for pvp

i love hitting my bigass hit and it just clanks off the spiders big phat thicc booty

so it doesnt do damage

[iron valve]

well you see, shiv is very sneaky and thematic

[subtle field]

does anyone have a clue why this just straight up doesnt use tea for me?

[limber lion]

It definitely should. Do you have tea spec'd?

[subtle field]

yup

[runic hinge]

hit the button twice?

[limber lion]

Doesn't matter

[subtle field]

spammed the button just to test, doesnt do it idk why

[cobalt sphinx]

is it on your stealth bar

[subtle field]

its on both

[cobalt sphinx]

🙂

[runic hinge]

I mean, I couldn't get it to work either but so I took off the cast sequence stuff and just don't spam

[subtle field]

ill just use my old macro for now and just dont spam

[tall atlas]

best way to use trech trans?

[cobalt sphinx]

solve it with deathmark and kingsbane

[crisp walrus]

with deathmark

[static glacier]

the one pull I managed to drop mark for all of p3 we killed court, xd

[visual moon]

HI, can u share your details after a dungeon and after a boss solo target please

[uneven plume]

think assas gonna BiS new ring?

[cobalt sphinx]

annulet was dog for all classes that scaled with stats

we'll see if it's the same thing all over again

[lethal turtle]

It was op for tanks and like havoc dh and ww from my memory. Maybe outlaw?

Been a hot minute

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah the versatility classes

[lethal turtle]

Think this ring has some secondary scaling bits that will be interesting

[royal lantern]

its thematic seli

[tired gull]

i feel fortunate in my limited time to play that i haven't had a kingsbane parried, yet

[crisp walrus]

!macro

!macros

!ttea

fucking hell man

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[crisp walrus]

XD

[tired gull]

found it

[lethal arrow]

why does any boss parry

[full tide]

how accurate are the dslice sims? I'm sitting on 626 Crystal & Skargyn's with a myth Spyglass in my vault. Sims suggests it's marginally better, curious what people think

[spice spire]

Sims are a tool for gear and build comparison

I believe it to that end

[merry bison]

Rather sim with Patchwork 8 targets and 1 min length, dslice is kinda scuffed for sin

you can figure different ways out on how to sim correctly

a lot of different scenarios

[ashen nimbus]

in m+ on bosses out side cd do i allwasy stay over 50% energy useing (Sanguine Blades)?

[full tide]

thanks!

[balmy condor]

According to who

[balmy condor]

Under

[merry bison]

uhh that was just a recommendation, saw it in kush's stream and he explained it

like simming for patchwork is maybe more accurate according to his scenarios

[balmy condor]

Nice

I love streamer parroting

[tired gull]

🦜

[merry bison]

so dslice is still the way to go?

no

or

[balmy condor]

Good to know we spend hundreds of hours every expac optimizing dslice for people to call it scuffed

I mean sim what you want

[merry bison]

[balmy condor]

I’ve recommended and worked on dslice for the greater part of a decade at this point

If people don’t want to, they won’t

It’s not a perfect model, but simming 1 min patchwerk is why dungeonslice exists in the first place

[merry bison]

Good to know actually, why is kush cooked

[balmy condor]

So do whatever you want man

[grim jay]

Gotta whip out a certain streamers 10 targets 3 min sims

[merry bison]

it was just a 1min pull to see how you perform on single packs

[balmy condor]

Having more data points is fine, if he wants to compare raw all cooldown aoe then that’s fine

But like

[grim jay]

It was someone else

[balmy condor]

I can’t seriously expect 95%+ of the community to be able to logically reason multiple data points

Most of them don’t can’t even sim one thing properly

[merry bison]

sounds reasonable

thx whisp

[grim jay]

Everyone is pretty good at siming statweights

[merry bison]

[spice spire]

I’m going to hit filter buddy

[grim jay]

Nooo babe

Dont

[balmy condor]

Killing an npc named “myself” in game

[spice spire]

Nice

[grim jay]

We had a trial that didnt sim at all and only used some statweight sims but mostly feelycrafted what he needed

I had cramps

[deep bloom]

hello, anyone knows how to macro to show mutilate but when possible to use ambush to show that instead? hope that made sense

[balmy condor]

Put ambush on your stealth bar and mut on your normal bar

And you’re good to go

That covers all situations

[grim jay]

Did you sim the current difference between muti and ambush in subter windows?

[balmy condor]

Cba

[vast patio]

Still want mut on the stealth bar for caustic with subt, no?

[balmy condor]

No

[gloomy heart]

I do that

[grim jay]

Its probably pretty marginal anyways. Might only be interesting if we hit a cursed timeline with subter on ST

[balmy condor]

Do what

[gloomy heart]

Sitting so long in subter without caustic up aids me, i have full bleeds up sitting afk

[balmy condor]

What

[gloomy heart]

mutilate stealth bar

[balmy condor]

Why

[vast patio]

I keep trying supercharger but subt is so nice ;.;

[balmy condor]

Ambush applies caustic

??????

[gloomy heart]

Does it

[balmy condor]

Yes

[kindred hinge]

Yes

[vast patio]

I'm a bot apparently.

[gloomy heart]

okay GG

deleting my rogue

[vast patio]

It's been a ride

[cobalt sphinx]

i thought you were supposed to mutilate during subterfuge

[balmy condor]

gg

[hollow stone]

how many ppl just read the tooltip right now?

[random sparrow]

I need a little bit of help on my trinkets.

Just got Skardyn's Grace ilvl 623 and when I sim it it has worse dps than Wrathstone ilvl619.

Is sim on trinket bugged or is Wrathstone better?

[gloomy heart]

it doesnt say ambush..

[balmy condor]

Wrath stone good

[vast patio]

In my defense this is week two of my rogue actually having gear to do things.

[balmy condor]

Hit a dummy

[gloomy heart]

i just did

LOL

im so awful

holy

[kindred hinge]

Did you sim Grace max ilvl though?

[coral ibex]

you forgot to sim this

[gloomy heart]

sim deez balls

[coral ibex]

[molten flicker]

🤓

[vast patio]

Pog

[winged quail]

no queen ring what a noob

[random sparrow]

need more Crest

[kindred hinge]

You can still simulate it

[hollow stone]

shoulda cutoff the screenie with just the trinkets

[kindred hinge]

And look how it compare at max ilvl.

[jaunty warren]

Isn’t 4K damage like a fraction of a percent ?

[fast mural]

Where can i find the best sym for Sin ?

[molten flicker]

symbiosis?

[gloomy heart]

nice 619 belt

[molten flicker]

crafted belt better than 626 dropped cuz of emb 😦

[icy acorn]

how are you guys sending cds for mythic silken?

[fast mural]

on double dmg

[timber pagoda]

do we press fan of knives in ST proc from marking the target?

[random sparrow]

626 sims 1.6k higher. cheers for your help.

[winged quail]

yes

[lethal arrow]

during dmg amps from what i can see on logs

[icy acorn]

yeah but some are using dm super early and some do it when the boss charges back

[timber pagoda]

even during kb/shiv?

[fast mural]

Not worth

[lethal arrow]

top logs show ppl sending it on first crash

[winged quail]

yeah unless you need to apply caustic, use FoK procs over Ambush/Mut

[fast mural]

you have Deathmark first amp then KB for second and all with bl after intermission

[hollow stone]

the top bundle of logs are somewhat split when i looked

[icy acorn]

i know but some are sending DM once the boss charges away and some use dm when he charges in

[timber pagoda]

kk ty

[lethal arrow]

oh thats like a very micro optimization

i dont think it matters too much

[gloomy heart]

snazzy

[fast mural]

@icy acorn If you do on pull you will have to use again deathmark on the running

That you actually holding dps

[lethal arrow]

logs was just like DM on anub then skein then anub then skein

and then fight ends

and i THINK? its on dmg amps?

[gloomy hinge]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[icy acorn]

im mainly talking about this

[lethal arrow]

yeah ik

[ornate wagon]

How many targets does tempest need to be on in aoe please and how many cp should it be used at? Ty ♥️👍

[lethal arrow]

uh do whatever is comfortable in your group

[fast mural]

you talk about vanish >

?

[coral ibex]

2, 5+

[lethal arrow]

i ultimately think it doesnt matter

[proper seal]

Is there a way to sim embellishments?

[lethal arrow]

whether its before or after

[gloomy heart]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[arctic socket]

Ascension goes hard

[ornate wagon]

Was that answer for me mate? ♥️👍

[winged quail]

in top gear, if you have an embellished item already click the + button and you can make a dupe with different embellishment otherwise you can search and add manually

[clever sapphire]

You can add items in top gear, im pretty sure even with embellishments

Ah i was slow

What blacktimus prime said

[arctic socket]

You are pretty slow

;P

[clever sapphire]

Im on phone aight, not good at typing here

But you called me pretty, taking that as a compliment

[winged quail]

wait u fucker how did u know it was blacktimus prime

[arctic socket]

[clever sapphire]

2+ and like every other ability at 5+

[clever sapphire]

Im in your closet but dont tell anyone

[arctic socket]

Bro is in your walls watching

[winged quail]

ok i wont

[ornate wagon]

Thanks mate ♥️👍

[arctic socket]

24/7

[tall atlas]

would i always use trech over skardyns?

at the same ilvl

[winged quail]

Skardyn > Tretch at 2+ targets every time

also no minigame so

Skar > transmitter every time

[arctic socket]

In m+ skardyns is biiig in st it isn’t far behind

[tall atlas]

i have both now so and im about to start princess prog

so just wanna try and feel it out

the damage was good up to now but the mini game is a bit poop

[hollow stone]

Princess is the best boss this tier

[arctic socket]

Mini game wise it’s Doodoo

[royal lantern]

doing keys with guildmatess rn sorry

[spice spire]

Understandable

But doing keys

I see 1 11 on your io page and I’m calling the police

[royal lantern]

progress saved

need crests

[spice spire]

Fair enough

Get those 8 tens king

(Don’t let me gaslight you I did 15 keys last week)

[warm oyster]

Hi, do you guys make sure to gem 1 of each type for the meta effect, or just equip the highest simmers?

[spice spire]

Highest simmers

[runic hinge]

Simmers

[coral ibex]

highest summers

or simmers

your choice

[slim pebble]

I did 7. Luckily it didn’t bite me

[runic hinge]

I did a gem sim today and it said don’t change a thing cutie

[spice spire]

I didn’t say on one toon

But yesterday was a 9/11 vault day fr

[runic hinge]

I did 5 total last week

[spice spire]

Pwar had a filled vault

Took heroic random cape

[runic hinge]

We got aotc I think I’m swapping to spriest

[spice spire]

🤝

[runic hinge]

This channel too fotm and filled with brain rot

[spice spire]

Quakemother approved

[spice spire]

Buddy the second part has always been true

[slim pebble]

10s are too easy now, pugs are too inconsistent for 11s so I think it’s alt season

[runic hinge]

True but that’s our usually shit posting. Not this discussion on what 1% talents you should shift around to do the same dps as taking 3 different ones. Or which trinket you should take from vault to do .4 more in aoe or whatever

[cobalt sphinx]

fuck anyone that wants to learn more about their class

[runic hinge]

Not what I’m saying

[clever sapphire]

Funny you say that, my only deplete between 10-12 was a 12 nw (so i timed all 11s first try somehow and 4 12s first try)

But getting into groups is horrible

[spice spire]

Ye

I cba past vault for an AotC Andy

[slim pebble]

I spent 20 minutes filling my own 11GB and 10GB and they both failed

[spice spire]

I’m enjoying alt season

GB is a cursed pugger ngl

[warm oyster]

Life of solo dps :<

[slim pebble]

The tank as the key was counting down said "This is easy, so im gonna pull small packs to make sure we time"

We didn't time

He would only pull big packs somehow when we didn't have cooldowns

[clever sapphire]

Out of the 20 GBs that i did on 10-11 only 2 depleted on first pull. Guess i really got lucky

[spice spire]

Uh. Not going to say that. But I’ve seen a lot of questionable and bad faith stuff in here.

That’s the only side of fotm that I do dislike here

[spice spire]

Impressive

[slim pebble]

I +2ed an 11 Dawn the other day and the very next key was an 11 SV. We failed in the first hallway

[spice spire]

Tank needs cd tracker

[spice spire]

Oh fuck

[cobalt sphinx]

can't do that first hallway without a decurse

[clever sapphire]

Ye but dawn is close to easiest key, sv close to hardest

[spice spire]

I forgot the average ilvl 615 11 SV I did

[runic hinge]

People aren’t in here trying to learn anything they wanna know a cookie cutter best talent and trinket set up and can’t consider just simming for themselves to be good enough. Gotta come in here and parrot streamers and spam the same dungeons 50 times for sacbrood or anub crystal and wonder why it’s not even changing 1% dps

[spice spire]

96 minutes in hell

Honestly tried first hallway

Failed the check

Happens

Boss fights were hell

[clever sapphire]

96 minutes

Wat

Da

Fak

[slim pebble]

SV is the last 11 I need and I just don't know if I wanna get it

I wanna play an alt that isn't gonna fry my brain but that isn't as easy as eating crayons like ret pally

[clever sapphire]

Sv

[cobalt sphinx]

sv is one of my favorite dungeons, i think rogue is pretty good in there too

[clever sapphire]

Ah i meant survival hunter as his alt xD

[junior fiber]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[spice spire]

Bro 9 wipes to the fucking speaker boss

[spice spire]

You a caster player at all or melee only?

[clever sapphire]

Is that the last one? I did like 4 sv keys this season so i have no clue about boss names

[slim pebble]

Ill try anything that isn't a healer or ret pally

[spice spire]

Spriest is my first semi serious foray into casters ever

[cobalt sphinx]

exhaust vents is millions of aoe damage along with forced movement, pretty brutal

[spice spire]

Nah the two bosses

[slim pebble]

I played Shadowpriest back in the WOTLK Naxx days

[spice spire]

Yeah hpriest+bear

Was also not an ideal combo

[clever sapphire]

Aaaah fuck that boss and fuck all the casters/shamys that cant feckin kick the boss when he jumps away

[spice spire]

Nah kicks were fine

It was literally vents

[clever sapphire]

I always had to shadowstep kick

Thats my reason for hating it

I still dont get how the vents work

All i know is that they do a lot of dmg

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah it lights up 3 out of 4 vents so you have to move to the open one, but the ability also does 5.5m aoe damage to everyone in the party

[spice spire]

Yeah

And hpriest is super dog this season

Legitimate group effort to take it down there

But we did

[arctic socket]

Out grabbing food

[spice spire]

Good shit

Glad ur eating big dog

[arctic socket]

Buses are weird

[fleet turtle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[warm vortex]

I feel like the achivements this time for glory are kind of buggy

specifically the one for rashnan

[normal mist]

i did it last week, seemed alright

[warm vortex]

fair

is it like

you ahve to be in every single wave that casts or?

[normal mist]

you're doing it in normal mode right?

Have everyone get hit by the same wave, DPS race, GG

we only had 1 wave cast

[onyx falcon]

Could anyone tell me what im doing wrong? I feel like im doing the rotation correctly but im not parsing above ~50s (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VtdCAqP8LHyMjGgn)

[warm vortex]

Yea

Ah we were like 2 seconds off

because i couldent run through the wave

[fierce bison]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[spice spire]

Jiyu Log Review

[spice spire]

I like them.
But I can uh.
Talk to anyone

It isn’t for everyone and frankly I prefer not but I’ve had to and enjoy it

[normal mist]

but the idea is pretty simple, have both waves work as normal, but all the raid gets hit by one of them (players marked by the waves do not count for the requirement) @warm vortex

so all we did was put both waves to the left, so we had a lot of space for people to get hit by it

[tidal shard]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[crisp burrow]

lethality or forced intuiton on st

[zinc vessel]

hi, do we need some haste or do we go all the way crit mastery ? i have just 3% haste

[slate crown]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[lethal arrow]

10% haste is enough most times

we dont really care about stats that much

[normal mist]

why 10%

Just don't put numbers on it

[runic gorge]

do we do anything to play around super charger? cant seem to find things about it on the guides

[normal mist]

you shiv, you finish, thats it

It adds 1/2? combo points to your finisher, so if you're going to proc that DN, instead of going for 7, 5 might be enough

(not ingame atm can't check if it is 1 or 2 added CPs)

[runic gorge]

makes sense ty

[runic hinge]

I don’t play around it at all. Normal finisher rules always

[normal mist]

Yeah i don't either

bring back E.R

[runic gorge]

i've heard both. i guess its not a big enough difference to min max it?

[normal mist]

Eh

you CAN

[subtle tundra]

-.- fucking grimba

[spice spire]

18 grim

Fail
The 18 grim into a 17 db, two chest into a 19
Grim

[subtle tundra]

i doubt 18 grimba is finishable

[royal lantern]

maybe for you

quake can do it

[spice spire]

In November? Miss me w that

[fading sonnet]

Need help with my vault this week and my sims, struggling whether to take the trailspinner neck myth or the empowering crystal. There's a 0.1% diff when simming, but I feel like the trinket is way better? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9p1dT8iJgaigUf2fDRP7x8

*note I have the 626 trailspinner ready to go but not upgraded atm due to vault resetting

[cobalt sphinx]

Is that a 0.1 difference

Oh versus slamming gilded into the hero neck

[fading sonnet]

ye

[cobalt sphinx]

Well if you got infinite gilded crests it looks like it doesn't matter what you do

There is the opportunity cost of those 30 gilded going elsewhere

Did you sim that

[fading sonnet]

i didn't no - but im not sure if i was missing something else other than the 0.1%

[mint urchin]

Are you running ascendance and dawnthread?

[edgy token]

Hello, i can't find anything about "Funneling" either in icyveins or wowhead guide. Isnt it one of the main things on Assa anymore? And if so, can you explain it to me please

[cobalt sphinx]

Yeah you're simming 75 gilded vs 30 gilded, that's gonna mess up your gains

[normal mist]

Why patchwerk 5 targets 5 minutes?

[dapper cradle]

5 target patchwerk fight

[normal mist]

Example:

• scent of blood gives us agility, the more targets (up to 5), the more agility. We then have 20% extra agility to DPS down a boss

[edgy token]

Am i changing anything rotational wise?

[normal mist]

Nop

[edgy token]

Or do i just do my common ST rotation

[normal mist]

Besides having ruptures on other targets

This is mainly a m+ scenario

[edgy token]

So i Rupture all targets and continue with ST?

[normal mist]

Up to 5 with scent of blood

[edgy token]

because what i did was just doing the AOE rotation

[normal mist]

It depends on the scenario

[warm lantern]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[atomic dove]

hey noob question does whetstone on your offhand do anything? or is the attack power ignored since its offhand

[fading sonnet]

No idea, that what my friends say to sim. Does it matter?

[warm lantern]

how do i start a thread for log analysis?

[normal mist]

For m+ we sim dungeonslice, for st we sim 1 target patchwerk

[normal mist]

We do it, if there's someone with enough time to look at it

[iron carbon]

I think he asks how to do it

[normal mist]

And I just answered

[warm lantern]

ah so i juist write in here and it eventually gets taken into a thread?

[iron carbon]

OKay, I'm just blind

I read : "Well do it"

[normal mist]

Usually quake picks them up and open a log with your link, but idk if he's around

@spice spire

[spice spire]

On break in 30

Can just thread rq

[warm lantern]

looking for help with this https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3gQ4jYm1yJLARWxM#fight=5&type=casts&source=144&view=timeline
started playing sin recently, know my trinkets arent really that gucci, and that they could be used much better, but still feel like i should've done somewhat better

[spice spire]

And then get back to it

[normal mist]

Thanks champ

[warm lantern]

mans a beast ty

[normal mist]

I'll open it

[humble verge]

yall are running diamond + rest masterful ruby on sockets?

[iron carbon]

I just simmed it

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/eu/draenor/Korïn

So, yes, 4 diff color + Masterful Ruby

[old halo]

when does lingering darkness exactly pop? I thought when we did final full combo point envenon, but idk, i would think these would be the same then?

[cobalt sphinx]

After deathmark ends

Your 2 min cd

[old halo]

oh i got it, to many death words

[limber lion]

Darkest Night is the 7CP one yeha

[old halo]

i thought it read that after deathstalkers mark expired it would give buff, but its deathmark

looks like the logs were correct then and i suck

[edgy token]

could you explain me any further or is there anywhere i can read about it? Since i am new to assa but need to be ready for high keys soon since my group expects me to

[cobalt sphinx]

Most other classes don't do any work with dungeon slice so they use 5t patchwerk. Rogue uses dslice though it seems

[iron carbon]

Got a tc question : Is that better to use the bonus cps of supercharger/forced induction to do a finisher at 5cp+ (Spend at >1) or go to 5+ even with the super charger buff? (Spend at >4)

[woven shore]

Who pinged me

[limber lion]

You still build to 5+ as you normally would

Nothing changes

The reason we go to 5+ is because we want to maximize combo point usage with every finisher without wasting combo points

So there is no reason to use finishers at lower CP because you're missing a lot of potential combo points by doing that

[strange python]

Hey guys, any chance anyone could take a look at this log please - no drama if not https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/W1Pgtj4MyqF8axm6#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=10

Guilds first mythi rash kill, so we arent mega pumpers.

I ran through wow analyzer and feel like I have a good understanding of the rotation and boss mechanics. My parses were dogshit for both overall and ilvl, but I'm struggling to see where the improvement needs to be. From analyzer:

• ruptured outside pandemic (mainly to refresh low but not pandemic duration before he flies, thats evident by the poor cast intervals)
• envenom uptime - again, drops when I he flies and when I got web
• missed 1 pot.....this is huge and something I didn't think about / will improve. I macro to DM which is great but if boss dies between 5-6m I miss it. This is on me and will make a WA to flag when its off CD

Other than that I thought I had it all down. Main thing I'm putting it to is kill time, which I know is massive, but could that cause such a significant disparity in parse?

[iron carbon]

More DN?

[strange python]

sorry for the long post, but would be super grateful if someone could take a look....because I feel like I "get it" and want to improve if I can haha!

[normal mist]

I'm not in game but read caustic spatter talent in the assassination tree and Scent of blood

[winter vapor]

for Treacherous Transmitter - is it worth sending on CD or holding for DM?

[cobalt sphinx]

deathmark for sure

[weary spear]

Can any subterfuge players tell me how they deal with low boss damage? Play with comps that carry ST?

[spice spire]

Subterfuge should help enable longer MA situations in ST

[cobalt sphinx]

just be patient

meditation

[balmy condor]

as opposed to non subterfuge players

[cobalt sphinx]

800k single target dps in 636 gear is perfectly acceptable

[late tusk]

Ey! How tricks work now? it have changed no? it just last for 6 seconds?

[balmy condor]

tricks hasn't changed in over a decade

[weary spear]

Especially with Aug, boss fights feel painful asf

[balmy condor]

yes, assa has bad single target

be like that

[mint urchin]

What key level you doing that it feels so bad? You can still do 900k-1.3m ST on bosses and it should be more then enough for decent kill times

[past bobcat]

Pull trash into boss

Profit

I'm always highest damage on first NW and spider in ara Kara

[mint urchin]

Any fight that has adds also can really boost your dam with extra rupture targets

The only boss I think I really feel it being slow is first boss in Grim

[vapid geode]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[weary spear]

14

[mint urchin]

Oh well every boss fight feels long on a 14 lmao

[fluid light]

is there a decent "darkest night" like notifier WA

[jaunty dew]

Poggers vault

[late tusk]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/caRmjgRmk9K6CXMuZCz6kH I tried to simm crystals,and it looks like i got the "best" ones

But it ahs no sense if i need to go crit

now

And im not able to see the crystals simms giving less dps

[normal mist]

that looks fine

[late tusk]

But i got crystals that just give Mastery and seing raider.io the good rogues dont use them

[mint urchin]

There are a lot of trackers in WA packages it's also pretty easy to make one

You just make a tracker for when you have the buff

[normal mist]

Maybe they don't have it

and crystal gives all stats iirc

[late tusk]

I guess with 3k5 rio he is able to got it

[mint urchin]

It's 4k dps diff between it and sac

You can use whichever you want

[normal mist]

minmaxers this days

meanwhile we have people at 70+ runs of grimbatol

and still no trinket

[mint urchin]

I still need my hero trinket 😦

[coral ibex]

actually if you dont use the exact gear and talent loadout of <insert rogue on front page of rio> you are never going to time a 10

so get to grinding

[mint urchin]

Using this champ one feels bad

I have been lol

[coral ibex]

copy the exact loadouts

[runic hinge]

I will never time a 10 I don’t have 639 ilvl and bis talents

[calm quartz]

yo guys what talent do I get rid off in order to get iron wire for M+?

[coral ibex]

can't time a 10 if you take iron wire instead of sudden demise

[mint urchin]

True

[calm quartz]

so sudden demise?

[coral ibex]

I WAS TYPING THAT AS A BIT

AND THEN THIS GUY ACTUALLY ASKS

HOLY

[calm quartz]

lmao

[coral ibex]

brother just copy the talents off rio and go

[calm quartz]

um i dont even have sudden demise

was copying of kush lol he has no iron wire not even when during 17s

[coral ibex]

yep i guess that's correct

[mint urchin]

Because he's in voiced comms with WF players

[coral ibex]

nah iron wire stinks

[calm quartz]

true

[coral ibex]

its a dps loss

[pearl steppe]

@calm quartz https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/deathstalker/DAOFVVFBRRUVQmJBQCUBNVUVVEUZEQFKFUBFEFVVUCEA

[quasi stump]

yknow what else is a dps loss? clear the witnesses

never use it

[pearl steppe]

that's the recommended m+ thing i was looking at

maybe it can help you idk

[normal mist]

Y'all know whats a dps loss?

playing with your monitor on

[valid pulsar]

no bitches is also a dps loss icl

so my dps is very low

smh

[normal mist]

get gud

[valid pulsar]

trying

[calm quartz]

fuck that I want sanguine blades

[coral ibex]

why

[pearl steppe]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[runic hinge]

[quasi stump]

so's playing retail, play a private server

[normal mist]

i did

years ago

[winged quail]

pressing kidney or blind is dps loss unbind them now

[iron valve]

what talents should I take to optimize my DPS if I want to press mutilate and nothing else?

[balmy condor]

stay strong brother

real m+ brainrot hours in here

[mint urchin]

Isn't it always?

[coral ibex]

like you already copied a talent build from a rogue infinitely better than you

and you think you can improve it???

rogue skill is all in the talents bro

think about it

[winged quail]

no ttk no bueno

[balmy condor]

well actually wowhead said and then I watched and the talent and

[winged quail]

you need more talent skill noob

[normal mist]

Copying the talent builds from the top players is such a bait

i hate m+

[mint urchin]

Like I come here just to get sad watching people get skardyns in their weekly vault and then ask if it's the right pick

[coral ibex]

did you see the guy ping whisper to ask if he should take a myth skardyns yesterday

[half igloo]

I was just about to ask something similar XD

[coral ibex]

that was e🅱️ic

[normal mist]

no shot

WTF

[coral ibex]

he posted and then replied to himself pinging to ask

can't make it up

[winged quail]

i got it this week blessed af

[balmy condor]

a tale as old as time, people want balanced talents and options and choice in their builds and then they get mad that don't have the fucking braincells to make a choice on their own

[winged quail]

socket simmed higher tho

[half igloo]

if I only play m+ how good is ara-kara XD

[valid pulsar]

yo guys i just pulled a mythic skardyn should i take it?

[normal mist]

no

[rotund mauve]

Is respecing from outlaw to assass as pain as it looks, almost polar opposite gear

[mint urchin]

I rely on your braincells to do the job over mine

[valid pulsar]

ok

[winged quail]

i swapped in a week depends how ready you are to grind m+

[rotund mauve]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

that's your first mistake, I'm an idiot

[mint urchin]

Damn

[coral ibex]

some guy was in here on like monday complaining that there was too much choice in the talents now and they preferred it when subt was bad and WAT was bait and there was like 2 builds

[rotund mauve]

Sadly I think it's necessary, I'm trying with outlaw but every +10 now someone in group says dude why you outlaw go assass

[urban pasture]

@balmy condor I am curious as to why WoWHead and Icy are different M+ builds? which 1 is recommended because I was watching ur All you need to know about assa video and my build was way diff from the simmed 1 since i was using wowhead and it has different build but icy veins has ur simmed build

[balmy condor]

killing myself thanks

[valid pulsar]

pog

i mean not pog

are u okay?

[normal mist]

There are SO many builds

that either one of them is fine

[balmy condor]

we're legit just talking about how m+ has infinite builds cause the talents are balanced

just pick whatever man

[rotund mauve]

was it worth it? how did dps jump

[coral ibex]

just dont pick iron wire that shit is pure noob bait

[urban pasture]

out of the wowhead and icy which would be better for some1 that has only played outlaw and is wanting to switch xD

[vast patio]

I've been learning sin on the M+ builds, any nuances with the raid build? I hear you kb>shiv>something>shiv?

[winged quail]

i mean for 10s either works but I do more as Assa and get invited way quicker so I found it worth

[balmy condor]

the one that looks cooler

legit

it doesn't fucking matter man

[mint urchin]

I can never tell if these whispyr pings are actual questions or just active attempts to ruin whispyrs day

[coral ibex]

both

[balmy condor]

they all play the same

they all do the same

they all have the same shit

it doesn't matter

[urban pasture]

Also idk if I am dumb but Caustic spatter, why is it that my caustic spatter barely works?

[balmy condor]

pick talents and press your buttons

[half igloo]

how tf do I make a choice here rahh

[coral ibex]

define "barely works"

[novel star]

what does this mean

[winged quail]

Iron Wire sims lower should I never play it?

[coral ibex]

with a sim

[balmy condor]

you need to have a target with rupture/poison and then press mutilate/ambush on it to apply

[half igloo]

fuck simming

[novel star]

you poison the target and rupture the target and then you mutilate the target

[coral ibex]

ok then just pick one

[mint urchin]

You take sac and be thankful you have a god damn mythic trinket 😭

[novel star]

and it simply works

[balmy condor]

isn't that just always a sac

[valid pulsar]

ring looks spicy same with back

[balmy condor]

that seems like

not a difficult choice

[dreamy quail]

had a question about caustic spatter, does the splash damage happen based off your positioning or the target? another words do you have t obe suround by adds to get the splash damage or is it splash damage based off your main targets location?

[half igloo]

I'm trying to figure that out as well cos I see all sorts of trinkets being used

[novel star]

sim it while keeping in mind that sacbrood is very good and unfarmable

[balmy condor]

12 yards from center of target

[coral ibex]

caustic spatter splashes from the center of your target's hitbox

[urban pasture]

yep i do that and i see the debuff on them and do I have to let the timer on the debuff disappear? or do i use envemon?

[balmy condor]

while the debuff is on them, your attacks splash

that's when you're spamming

[half igloo]

maybe I take myth sac with leech just to tilt people tbh

[balmy condor]

debuff = you're cranking

no debuff = you're shitting

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-soyjak-pissluffare-soy-gif-25061889

[novel star]

[coral ibex]

ABC's

[urban pasture]

Idk maybe i just need a good explination on caustic spatter to really understand it because when I have it on there legit i never see it got off maybe once or twice

[coral ibex]

Always
Be
Cranking

[balmy condor]

that's poison bomb

[umbral sigil]

is there a quick breakdown of which boss to run spatter vs IB. I havent raided in two weeks and my short term memory/ADD designated boss fights as non-essential information

[balmy condor]

caustic doesn't have a visual

[balmy condor]

does it have adds? spatter

[dreamy quail]

reason Im looking is on broadtwister I was looking at my logs vs another rogue and his caustic damage is alot higher and the difference I saw was hits..his was almost double mine

[fast mural]

Anyone have the Shadowmeld Macro?

[dreamy quail]

we raid together and were trying to figure out wtf up up

[winged quail]

check uptime on the buff rather than hits

[urban pasture]

omg LMAO

[coral ibex]

they are hitting more targets, they have more gear

[balmy condor]

yeah, I'm fucking miserable man

[primal yoke]

can you use Magnificent Jewelers Setting twice on one ring for two sockets? or is that only if you craft a ring with a socket, and use the setting

[coral ibex]

yes

[dreamy quail]

yes

[balmy condor]

you can use it twice

[winged quail]

twice on any ring or neck

[primal yoke]

holy

I have been missing out

[mint urchin]

Is it possible to get like a discord addon that's just a health bar to represent whispyrs sanity?

[urban pasture]

so like the little green thing for spatter is on, i just keep attacking and it procs?

[mint urchin]

Or would it just start empty

[coral ibex]

exactly

fok to gen cp, envenom at 5+cp

[balmy condor]

any nature damage you deal does AoE

so

[coral ibex]

it all splashes

[balmy condor]

as long as you have the debuff

you hit that

GG

[urban pasture]

so envenom has nothing to do with helping it proc, holy i am dumb

[balmy condor]

well envenom is the damage

that is doing the aoe

caustic is making it do aoe

mutilate is applying the debuff

the vast majority of your caustic damage is kingsbane and envenom

[urban pasture]

okay

[lethal turtle]

Question. Is Nelf racial always haste or crit inside instance zones?

[balmy condor]

whatever night is

[lethal turtle]

Thank you!

[balmy condor]

np

[runic hinge]

Darkest night

[spice spire]

Dn as the kids say?

[runic hinge]

I don’t think that’s as the kids say

[half igloo]

wait time out

iron wire used to provide the silence effect

since when does garrote silence without iron wire

[balmy condor]

it doesn't

[balmy condor]

yes

welcome to world of warcraft tooltips

[half igloo]

just blizzard being funny? : )

ah yeah

rogue life

[balmy condor]

tooltips in this game are a fucking joke

[half igloo]

sorry I've been too focused on my raiding char to keep up with all the rogue bugs but now I'm back

[mint urchin]

Its a shame we cant have AI just fix them

[balmy condor]

I'm going to shit your pants

[spice spire]

Hot

[balmy condor]

this channel is a test from god

[mint urchin]

Will we be sharing said pants at the time?