assassination

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
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Devlin's Group
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[keen spruce]

probably but sim it

[long pecan]

On Court i assume we're suppose to spread the dots and not just zug zug caustic?

[balmy condor]

if they're close together yeah

having energy is good

[vast patio]

LET'S GOOOOOO

[potent lance]

guys

how can i get feindly with mousover macros

xDD

any advices?

[lethal turtle]

what is the word 'feindly'

[vast patio]

just gotta use them till you're used to it

:p

[lethal turtle]

sit in m+ or at the pvp area with the clumped dummies

[brave stump]

Yo

do i

send big envenom with shiv supercharged on 7 cp or do i send on 5?

[lavish geyser]

what is the best comp for assa?

in m+

[balmy condor]

same rules as normal

[pure moth]

Enjoy having it proc during cds lol

[runic hinge]

just cloak it

[brave stump]

[swift whale]

1/1/3

[balmy condor]

true actually

[gloomy heart]

How do ppl have 99 parse on rogue, holy man

[runic hinge]

get funneled

[coral ibex]

wouldnt it be something like

[lavish geyser]

ok so any comp is bis

BISSS

[balmy condor]

by definition 1% of people will have a 99 parse

[coral ibex]

warrior
shaman
evoker
(something)
assa

oh dh

duh

chaos brand op

[gloomy heart]

Do people just funnel one person for them to get a 99 parse?

Seems cooked

[wind lance]

domd

[balmy condor]

no

[lavish geyser]

bro

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/congrats-nice-happy-for-you-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-1927193140186872022

[lavish geyser]

wth

XD

[balmy condor]

parsing is just kill times, gear, rng, and good play

[gloomy heart]

Welcome to the club

[wind lance]

I had it already but 1/9

[lavish geyser]

sometimes parsing is just getting the right rng as well

[wind lance]

is funny

[lavish geyser]

like not having to do mechanics

[balmy condor]

always*

[brave stump]

Kingsbane gets parried

[coral ibex]

parsing is gear, kill time, good crit rng, good mechanic rng, good rotation

[gloomy heart]

happened to me today on queen

Yeah im only 623 i dont expect to giga parse yet

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna be super real

[lavish geyser]

idk I was 622 parsing above 90s on my dh, think it just depends on skill. and ofc gear

[brave stump]

im low ilvl so im happy about my 99 ilvl logs

[balmy condor]

unless you started the patch like

2 weeks ago

if you're 623 now you're never going to parse

[gloomy heart]

I did

[balmy condor]

okay

[gloomy heart]

I literally started like 3 weeks ago LOL

[balmy condor]

then there's hope

[gloomy heart]

first good vault too 😮

[balmy condor]

there's a ton of people out there that are like "idk I just aotc raid why can't I parse, 625 btw" and it's like 2 weeks before the next tier comes out

[wicked quartz]

i got myth track sac in vault but it's not simming higher than ritual knife and it's my only myth item this vault feelsbadman

[balmy condor]

and you have to sit them down and be like well bud you play with not great players

and you're 15 ilvl down

so yeah, not happening

[pliant remnant]

[gloomy heart]

Yeah i dont expect to parse well until im well over 630

But i still try to perfect my rotation etc

Learning fights well enough i can live and do good dam

[runic hinge]

you didn't have to call me out like this

[vale shore]

ara kara never simmed well for me either, I have a heroic Void Contract and a Heroic Imperfect Ascendency serum and even at mythic ilvl the sacbrood is not an upgrade

[balmy condor]

I mean that's the bare minimum generally yes :P

[swift whale]

is there a meld->stealth macro? would that even work?

[royal lantern]

then why do so many struggle with it

[brave stump]

meld -> stealth is super unreliable

[swift whale]

dont tell me that after i initiate a faction change to nelf

[lavish geyser]

almost every time I do it, it works

[wicked quartz]

yeah it's crazy i have a hero track chest that is a sidegrade that is pulling more and we got aotc last week idk how much more raiding i'm going to be doing to care enough about ST

[swift whale]

[balmy condor]

cause wow is inherently a game for casuals

[brave stump]

/stopattack
/cast Shadowmeld
/cast !Stealth

[vale shore]

meld-stealth-vanish-hearth macro gets you out of a bind!

[brave stump]

that's mine

im happy when it works 3/10 times

[swift whale]

what does "!" do in macros?

[balmy condor]

"not"

[royal lantern]

next question

cus you apperantly do D4 stuff in wowhead aswell now

D4 Rogue sims when?

[balmy condor]

never

[brave stump]

HOLY

what

[balmy condor]

I'm a barbarian writer

[brave stump]

no

you not

stop

[royal lantern]

HE IS HIDING THE SIMS IN ANOTHER GAME ASWELL

[brave stump]

whispyr is the reason we dont have a deathtrap rogue anymore

[vale shore]

could you imagine rogues having to throw traps around in WoW like shaman totems?!

[balmy condor]

suffer, I don't play that shit class

[bitter lance]

I was messing with some settings and now my combo points are showing over my target

how do I remove them

[vale shore]

cast a finisher

[brave stump]

ok mr 4 fancy weapon slots

[balmy condor]

undo the setting you messed with

[vast patio]

does that work? lol

[spice spire]

Yeah because you go berserk for this ass bud

[eternal hawk]

?

[balmy condor]

technically yes

[spice spire]

Don’t sass me Blud

[royal lantern]

brother you play wow rogue

[prime plinth]

Does supercharger act like the old similar talent? If I have 2 super charged, and a total of only 3 combo points, those 2 super chargged will count as +2 extra points(4 total)?

[balmy condor]

d4 rogue is a hunter

[spice surge]

It does not work at all like the old echoing reprimand no

[balmy condor]

I do not play hunter

[spice surge]

Its your next finisher (s) get additional CPs

[prime plinth]

So if I'm at max combo points?

[strange python]

It doesn't, but strangely his interpretation is correct, no?

[spice surge]

Then it does more than 7

7+2 = 9 for example

[prime plinth]

Ah, and it adjusts so I do extra damage yea? It's not wasted if I hhave a full 7 combo points and 2 supercharged?

[outer marsh]

mythic gloves or mythic sacbrood from vault?

I've got hero gloves + hero skardyn's + hero crystal of anub right now...

sim says gloves but i feel like trinket might be better? but murlok io says top 50 rogues are mostly using skardyns + crystal....

[prime plinth]

Or do I even go for more combo points if I have 2 charged

[spice surge]

You do not really consider it or play around it

It just happens

[strange python]

If you want to think about it, add 2 to current CP and that's what your envenom will hit for

If you don't (which you shouldn't) just play like normal, finish when you have 5+CP visible.....i.e
5 generated and nothing to do with supercharger, then send

[spice spire]

Certain builds felt rogue

They’re all bad

But hey

[hollow gazelle]

affix is so shit for restealth

holds you in combat for 10 secs after it

[lavish geyser]

can I go Iw and then when the 5 secs are up I can vanish and garrote again to get IW up for total of 10 sec?

[humble verge]

finally

all my keys are 12, and i got some 13s done too

[north brook]

Hey all apologies if this is a silly question. I'm having issues with energy regen on single target & feel like I'm just standing around not able to cast anything for like 3-4 seconds at a time sometimes, this wasn't an issue for me before echoing reprimand was changed bc I obviously wouldn't have to be generating so many combo points for my finishers hence I'd have more energy pooled, but since the change I don't really know what to do for energy on single target lol, any advice?

[coral ibex]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[north brook]

ah

[coral ibex]

are you spending more cp than you need to on finishers

ie are you forcing 7cp every time

[north brook]

I thought that might be the case but also thought I might have been doing something completely wrong haha

[humble verge]

5cp finisher is always fine

idk about 4cp but

[coral ibex]

always 5+

[brave stump]

4cp is cursed

[humble verge]

yea

[coral ibex]

7cp for DN

[humble verge]

knew it

[north brook]

I usually spend at 6, is that bad?

[humble verge]

no

but if you have 5 already

going for 7 is not worth the energy

[brave stump]

except

dn

[north brook]

ah okay nice one ty

[humble verge]

ofcourse

[brave stump]

is up

[north brook]

DN is the mark thing ye?

[humble verge]

yes

[north brook]

awesome tyvm everyone

[brave stump]

sitting on 6 cp with garrote in pandemic and dn up

[hollow gazelle]

is there a way to improve our st because its pretty nasty in mythic lol

[brave stump]

its so satisfying to garrote that

[brave stump]

you see another target than mainboss

rupture

otherwise

ggs

[hollow gazelle]

aoe is pretty broken and then boss dps is trash lol. play the cleave build and you lose to much aoe lol

[old halo]

DN falling off in mythic with no vanish is terrible

[old halo]

remind raid leader of our 3% DR poisin

[errant mauve]

GB 3rd boss pisses me off with DN

[outer marsh]

mythic gloves or mythic sacbrood from vault? i notice most of the top rogues dont use sacbrood

sim says gloves slightly better

[brave stump]

i mean just prepare dn

[errant mauve]

What you mean prepare DN

Talkin bout consuming it before reapplying

[brave stump]

don't finish on dn when he is about to call his homie

[hollow gazelle]

i need a wa for dn anyone have one my aura doesnt track. could make one i suppose but you know lol

[coral ibex]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[coral ibex]

any of these

[burnt zodiac]

Do we sim our m+ just in patchwerk?

[vast loom]

dungeon slice

[tired apex]

I always do patchwerk multiple targets, dungeon slice has been NOT recommended by many guides Ive seen

[burnt zodiac]

this what wer lookin for

Im wondering if bottled is worth taking just for stats and passive

this what i got rn lmao

[coral ibex]

which ones

dungeon slice works fine for rogue

other classes/specs idk

[burnt zodiac]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/v1GTUsYAE9NhENjzTktjZc

looks like flayedwing

[tired apex]

Ah yeah maybe I’m remembering the warlock guides they all recommend to avoid dungeon slice maybe it’s different for rogues

[ebon notch]

@balmy condor does sudden demise amp sanguine blades duplicated damage?

[burnt zodiac]

someone wanna check and just make sure

would b nice

[balmy condor]

no

sanguine blades is a residual

[ebon notch]

is that intended

[balmy condor]

it doesn't get buffed by anything

[little saffron]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

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[ebon notch]

kk

does it apply to deathmark?

[burnt zodiac]

does flayedwing interfere with whetstones/poisons?

[balmy condor]

well yeah

deathmark is a skill

a bleed

so it's affected

[ebon notch]

no sorry i meant the duped bleeds

from deathmark

[balmy condor]

those are bleeds

so they are affected

[ebon notch]

cool

thank you

[balmy condor]

no

[burnt zodiac]

sick, thanks

[novel star]

assassination channel do you like my cat

she’s dreaming about exsanguinate

[smoky oyster]

is assa the best spec for dungeon spam levelling rn? seen an assa doing mad dmg

[wispy epoch]

Meow

[versed mica]

Beep boop

[maiden plaza]

am i supposed to be out of tea within 1 minute of a single target fight

[azure flare]

tbh id just go with wowhead

low keys generally speaking the bleed build will yield better results

[azure flare]

for leveling probably outlaw? idk u can go any of the 3 specs doesnt matter

[gilded cloud]

Gotta pool your energy and save your tea for your next single target cd window, if you’re out of tea charges just auto attack til 200 energy then spam envenoms and repeat. That’s what I do

[maiden plaza]

yea im not manually using it it's the dumb auto proc

[sweet sonnet]

When looking at overall bis gear, I see the 5 tiers item (helm, shoulder, chest, gloves, legs) to the bis. But once you get your 4p, the 5th piece is a bit irrelevant. Dropitemizer shows that crafting a head slot is better.
Should I read the BiS for the tiers just a : Get your 4p on whichever slots then wtv

[gilded cloud]

There’s a macro in here to prevent it to be used afaik

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[gilded cloud]

Or sorry that’s to use it with shiv

Yeah you just gotta be careful with it

[hallow pelican]

have they implemented the trade skill respec yet?

[spice surge]

no

[hallow pelican]

boo

[keen juniper]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[quasi stump]

im so bad at sin man

what do I do if i misalign kingsbane and deathmark

suffer?

[hallow pelican]

get better

[swift wing]

Ask yourself how

And then never do it again

Gg

[novel star]

yea

make fun of yourself

cry

and then make it line up

[wicked gate]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[quasi stump]

i think im depressed rn

IM sdlkcdzxnlo'jknsdmA opicvfhasdjpgj]

STUPID FUCKING UI

[pliant remnant]

[hallow pelican]

take a deep breath

[balmy condor]

or many many shallow breaths

until you pass out

and then you can wake up refreshed

[past panther]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[quasi stump]

WHY THE FUCK DOES MY QUEST LOG DISAPPEAR WHEN I BEAT A BOSS OR DIE
ITS SO FUCKING IRRITATING

god

i hate world of warcraft

[gray horizon]

hi cuties what should i macro CB to for fatebound

[quasi stump]

im done

i ragequit

im too stupid and braindead and bad to actually play sin rogue

why did I ever think I could play without hekili? im too dumb

[coral ibex]

you main BLM you can play assa

keep your head up

[quasi stump]

i dont wanna play anymore

the party failed to get any of the fucking orbs

boss got super buffed

i just rage quit

we werent going to time it anywy

way

someone was gonna leave

im done

[gray horizon]

ok cool

[runic hinge]

take a nap and see if that helps

[vagrant brook]

kingsbane

[quasi stump]

i just

im so lost on sins cds

[gray horizon]

thought so ty ty

[quasi stump]

do i just hold kingsbane to match with deathmark

ugh

i hate this game man

[livid jacinth]

Bruh chill

[solid hemlock]

its literally DM KB - KB - DM KB - KB

[quasi stump]

but then you get fucking traveling in between packs

and you drift your cds

[gray horizon]

yeah..... you just deal with it

or use it on mobs that live

[quasi stump]

fucking how

[runic hinge]

don't hold kb unless it's like 10 seconds

[quasi stump]

whatever man

idk

im just so fucking angry

[livid jacinth]

It shows

[gray horizon]

lmao

[quasi stump]

shut up

[vagrant brook]

just send it on cd on prio mobs and then align dm kb in bosses

[little saffron]

!snap

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of snapshotting

Bleeds update their tick rate dynamically, which means that if you get a haste proc (which increases our tick rate) from somewhere during the encounter (ie. Power Infusion), the bleeds would automatically tick faster, but the second your haste goes back to normal, the tick rate goes back down as well.

Snapshotting refers to getting that haste proc, reapplying bleeds at the faster tick rate, but instead of the bleeds going back to a slower tick rate when your haste drops, they would continue ticking at a faster rate until they expire or are reapplied.

[quasi stump]

i just

like

[little saffron]

!mut

[quasi stump]

you go through the key and you see you at the bottom of the 3 dps over and over and over each pull adn you keep fucking up and drop causter spatter or garrote for a few seconds and it wears me down and fucking

ugh

i cant do it man

[runic hinge]

relax bud

[vast loom]

for mythic silken would you guys run a mandate over sacbrood?

[runic hinge]

it's just a video game

[brittle quiver]

sup?

[runic hinge]

this dude needs some helpo

[solid hemlock]

you have a scripted aoe opener that spreads bleeds automatically for you and you have a scripted ST burst window with the most piss easy maintanance that is EV uptime

[brittle quiver]

oh shit, yeah, cant be me

[quasi stump]

i just keep messing up the script

even though i have it open on another window

[runic hinge]

go practice on some dummys

[solid hemlock]

just keep playing

[livid jacinth]

So practice more till it sticks, like everything else

[solid hemlock]

if you have to think about it you havent played it enough

if you need to dodge an ability to the left you dont think about pressing A

you just do it

[quasi stump]

whatever man

[vast loom]

[solid hemlock]

[quasi stump]

im gonna do it again and probably lose my temper again

[heady sky]

you can always practice?

[livid jacinth]

You could just play ret and press divine storm

[quasi stump]

i do play ret

[livid jacinth]

There ya go

[quasi stump]

but my main is arms warrior

and i love iron wire

[solid hemlock]

nvm that explains a lot

u good

[quasi stump]

fuck you

[livid jacinth]

This guy

[gray horizon]

this is awesome

[quasi stump]

stop making fun of me

[soft surge]

It’s raid logging season who cares

Mythic + is finished and dead

[solid hemlock]

anlaki

[livid jacinth]

Stop saying fuck you to people

[quasi stump]

im sorry

im just in a really bad mood rn

[hollow river]

most people tilt at some point

take a break, come back fresh and practice when you feel like it

[solid hemlock]

or you could have an emotional breakdown and use a spec discussion discord to vent

[quasi stump]

im sorry ok

im sorry

[solid hemlock]

dw about it

[coral ibex]

you dont have to kick someone who is already down either

[quasi stump]

nah i deserve it

this aint the place for my whining

[marble hemlock]

idk, pretty enjoyable to make fun of outlaw targetcap

[solid hemlock]

i was actually trying to help by simplifying sin gameplay to the core and even the comments beyond the spec itself is not me trying to kick him down

[gray horizon]

now you got it

[burnt zodiac]

keep garrote and rup on both bosses silken court? or just focus 1 and pump with caustic

[quasi stump]

i think its this one they were referring to

[burnt zodiac]

and also worth holding deathmark for first charge silken?

[gray horizon]

yeah

kb too

[gloomy heart]

i have 3 sparks but idk what to craft ;/

[burnt zodiac]

ight what ab 1st question

[gray horizon]

it'll be on CD if you send it on pull

[burnt zodiac]

yeah kb with deathmark

[gray horizon]

ummm i'm progging but i haven't been multi dotting

mainly cuz the fight is too hectic

[burnt zodiac]

this is just heroic btw

not mythic

[hallow pelican]

2 daggers, bracers, belt, and / or boots

[gray horizon]

oh then yeah

send it

[burnt zodiac]

multidot AND KB/DM on charge?

then are CDs just on cd after first charge?

[gray horizon]

yeah since they'll be together on heroic

[burnt zodiac]

dont wanna b holding too much

[gray horizon]

so you can just gar/gar on pull

[burnt zodiac]

dont worry bout multi bleeding, just gonna let caustic do the work i think

[gray horizon]

if running improved

[lyric crater]

i take twist the knife is buug?

[solid hemlock]

im aware, its still me trying to help - sometimes its what needs to be said even if the words dont sound pretty

[hoary apex]

why do we play without a trace/subterfuge in M+ now? Also MA over Sanguine blades?

[solid hemlock]

w/e

[sand trellis]

if im running fatebound, and cold blood, should I hold cold blood for every kingsbane or just rip or with an envenom on CD?

[runic hinge]

macor to kb

[sand trellis]

lit, otherwise only change for fatebound is vanishing at a different time than with deathstalker?

[balmy condor]

subterfuge got one of the single biggest buffs to any talent we've seen

in the way that it's immeasurably and infinite% better than previous

[hoary apex]

but other than more empowered garrotes and ruptures from carnage are we supposed to use it any other way?

[shadow badger]

is it normal to just be turbo energy starved outside of deathmark

[cloud yew]

12 second master assassin

[shadow badger]

feels like i cant keep 2 stacks up envenom up well

[hoary apex]

oh fuck

MA

insane

[lyric crater]

we running subter now? in single or im miss reading again

[balmy condor]

he's talking about m+

[cloud yew]

negative

[quasi stump]

???

how

[runic hinge]

before it did nothing

[quasi stump]

wasnt it just fixed to actually work on stuff like garrote

[runic hinge]

now it does something

[quasi stump]

wow

amazing LMAO

[runic hinge]

before imp garrote was already 6 second duration as was IC

[shadow badger]

it extends your stealth effects by 6 seconds

[lyric crater]

ah ok i miss that part lol yea i use it in m + only or delevs

[shadow badger]

like imp garrote, IC, MA

[runic hinge]

before it didn't it was just the same 6 seconds our stealth effects already were

[hoary apex]

wth that how come most top rogues still dont play without a trace for 1 point in lethality?

[runic hinge]

and MA was only 3 seconds

[shadow badger]

the second charge of vanish does almost nothing

[runic hinge]

tiny big of damage over some niche utility

[hoary apex]

because it's outside of cds?

[strange python]

can you clear webs on ulgrax with cloak

[gray horizon]

yuh

cloak+sprint=room for everyone

[strange python]

on mythic too

[gray horizon]

they're the same webs so yeah

[hardy prairie]

does spatter not show up on details for mythic Rasha?

[arctic socket]

123, who trynna slide me a 639 ring

[brisk vapor]

damn tough choices, feel like an anubikkaj shill now

[balmy condor]

because the m+ community is cooked

[hoary apex]

so you say without a trace is for sure better but they say no?

also rotation still says to vanish before DM, but wouldn't you want MA still going at the end of KB/DM?

[spice surge]

A lot of them were playing without a trace before .5 when it was a massive dps loss

But now thats its not a dps loss theyve giving it up 💀

[glass lagoon]

Which addon shows up time of your spells? Is it platers?

[solid hemlock]

yes

[glass lagoon]

have to find that when game resets...

[fresh kelp]

I think this is at least somewhat due to protpal lessening the need for silences

which changed at the same time as subterfuge

[solid hemlock]

may i ask how without a trace is not a dps loss anymore? i get that it gives you more flexibility in a m+ environment where you dont lose anything on vanish usage bc the second charge is refreshing - but besides that isnt it technically just one more MA window?

recently changed to sin so im not up to date on the issue

[spice surge]

Subterfuge is now a talent

So Without a trace is competing against 1 point of lethality

Instead of without a trace competing with 3 points in echoing reprimand since subterfuge did literally nothing

[solid hemlock]

garrote is giga trash basically?

besides 1% flat crit that would be the best argument for 1 point leth

10% crit dmg on garrotes

[fresh kelp]

it affects kingsbane

since it generates combo points

[solid hemlock]

oh true its a builder

[fresh kelp]

before the 11.0.5 change all subterfuge did was let you press ambush (which is worse than mut) for 6s, now it extends IC/imp garrote/MA

[coral ibex]

2nd kukri acquired

[quasi stump]

honestly

i think im gonna switch to ele shammy. Rogue might not be for me, and half the reason I Was playing it was that I could hang out with you guys

you guys are fun

maybe the real assassination rogue is the friends we made along the way

[coral ibex]

you'll be happier playing a spec that you mesh with intuitively

[quasi stump]

yeah

for me that's arms and ele and ret

sin is cool

im just not too into dot maint

[coral ibex]

thats fair

[hoary apex]

most top M+ players also play sanguine blades over sudden demise

[solid hemlock]

yeah i get that, im playing the build and this change was insane - just read the comments on without a trace and im trying to wrap my head around how niche situations where you build up second vanish charge are on par with 1 leth. i can think of situations where without a trace would be insane at the start of the dungeon if you get giga value from MA second pull or even ironwire - but after that its just gonna be lined up with cds again idk

[quasi stump]

maybe second vanish could help newer players if they end up fucking up all their dots

[runic hinge]

yeah i just use it cause my mark gets fucked randomly all the time

[solid hemlock]

to my understanding the value needs to be in vanish usage delays, where you can build up more than the 1 extra charge throughout the dungeon - but if you can send it on cd, thats just one extra vanish per dungeon

maybe im stupid idk

[drifting cloud]

[coral ibex]

i aint importing that

[real onyx]

anyone got any sick dagger transmogs? I've been a wl for years and app have non

i have sick small sword nes like the sabers from shadowlands but they cant be used

[spice surge]

For example you could have an extra vanish to apply more ruptures on first or second boss of siege

[drifting cloud]

im turbo biased towards terros daggers

[coral ibex]

the kingslayers

legion artifact

[real onyx]

oh ive got them

[runic hinge]

I like cata leggos

[real onyx]

i think the kingslayers arent bad but dont love em

[real onyx]

terros?

[coral ibex]

hidden appearances go hard

[real onyx]

wow i dommt think i have that specific set

just got all the apps i got for my wl

got so many sick ones but the rogue ones are meh from it

ig

[quasi stump]

[vagrant brook]

mythic regicide with sinwrath illusion goes hard imo

[burnt zodiac]

I currently have a champ ringworm from brood, just got hero version, got people in group complaining... are there 2 M+ rings that are better?

bc just so they chill out ill just farm a ring out of keys if needed

[real onyx]

sinwrath illusion, whats that?

[burnt zodiac]

Venthyr covenant illusion fromm SL

[real onyx]

wait waaaa

how do i get that

sounds sick

[soft surge]

https://i.imgur.com/4AmyPmL.png which do i spend my last gildeds on

[real onyx]

you apply it to current transmogs?

[burnt zodiac]

go do all the SL content

yea

[real onyx]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/transmogrification/weapons/illusions

[burnt zodiac]

its a reward from the venthyr covenant

[real onyx]

tihs stuff @burnt zodiac ?

[burnt zodiac]

ye

[real onyx]

oh ok sick ty ty

[burnt zodiac]

np

[real onyx]

had no idea abt these

anyone know when EU realm resets so we can get out vaults

[burnt zodiac]

But yeah, ringworm on champ vs ringworm on hero, should i keep or let a guildie get it and farm a diff ring from keys

if theres something better in keys, ill just farm one and give to guildie, but if there isnt, im keeping

[solid hemlock]

theres a ton of examples i can think of where having 2 charges of vanish would be insane, but this requires not pressing vanish for 4 minutes straight. theres also scenarios where you probably have like 30sec or 1min of vanish cd and have to do the flying the dragon event int GB where you end up with 2 charges aswell - maybe i have to play with it for a couple of dungeons to see the value in it

[spice surge]

You could also just not use it during deathmark

If youre using deathmark on pull you already have imp garrotes up

Im not saying its absolutely always better than lethality

But lethality by itself is not a massive dps increase

So even if it was worth nothing and you only ever used it for extra silences once during the key, its not a big loss

[solid hemlock]

nah you know, i just like talking about it to get a better understanding of it, especially since i just recently rerolled to sin

[spice surge]

Whereas before it was like 7x as big of a loss

[solid hemlock]

I've been using vanish on a boss pull to cover second part of KB

MA that is

[solid hemlock]

yeah i see, aight ty man

[shadow badger]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[vagrant brook]

[unique flame]

agreed lol

been using this since halloween

[glass lagoon]

can I ask where to make that? too many settings and im lost

[runic hinge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[runic hinge]

try one of the two platers at the bottom

[coral ibex]

thats a hold for next vault angle i fear

[glass lagoon]

thanks

[soft surge]

dam thats a wild idea @coral ibex legit never done that

perhaps i will

[hollow mantle]

Raidbots sims with Culminating Blasphemite are working and considering the condition?

[soft surge]

u have a special role, im wondering if you know the odds of doing a bounti delve + getting a map + having the map delve drop a hero track ritual knife

are the odds farmable

[coral ibex]

50/50

[soft surge]

lol

i have a hero track knife on my lame aug alt its so annoying

altho kinda bis for them

[outer marsh]

For M+:

mythic gloves or** mythic sacbrood** from vault? i notice most of the top rogues dont use sacbrood

[runic hinge]

Probably cause it's a small chance to even have it

[outer marsh]

well most of them use mythic skardyn's and mythic crystal, which have similar drop chance

[coral ibex]

the demonic double brew

[indigo elk]

Is it a no brainer to grab mythic sikran neck from vault? Other slots are useless besides a mythic ring

[coral ibex]

almost definitely

-saves crests
-bis

[stiff badger]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[soft surge]

gloves drop from a puggable 3rd boss on mythic

go sac

[dreamy canyon]

For mythic broodtwister, do any of you guys bother bleeding the spiders/worms or just focus on spatter dmg?

[umbral sierra]

this is what im rocking instead of blind, airborne and black jack for kyveza, using tricks shadowheart and shadowrunner instead, thoughts

[balmy condor]

realisitically the adds die too fast to make it worth

[balmy condor]

you took two useless points out for two useless points, poggers

swap to elusiveness cheat death is pointless

you die under 10% anyway

[umbral sierra]

i didnt think of that i just went with the baseline build on wowhead. ik shadowrunner is useless but 2% leech for kb dm window not bad yeah?

[balmy condor]

that's really the only important swap

[stray adder]

yeah can't really play without elusiveness at a certain key level

youll get shit on

[ebon notch]

HELP WHAT DO I TAKE

[soft surge]

crystal

ez

[woeful meteor]

socket

[ebon notch]

i see you

[runic hinge]

crystal

[spice spire]

Crystal you dumb bitch

[ebon notch]

is it that good

[little saffron]

what I should go for M+ ?

I already have Skardyn ( it's hero tho )

[safe shale]

How is it possible to get ovi nax mythic trinket in my vault, when i havent killed mythic ovi this week?

[safe shale]

Obviously still skar

[little saffron]

if you fill the vault you get random loot from the whole raid I guess

[safe shale]

Thats not how it works

[little saffron]

you sure? Ovi'nax not good ?

for my 2nd trinket

[safe shale]

Its meant to be only from bosses youve killed

No

Take myth track skar

in every planet

[proud pelican]

Have you ever killed ovinax mythic?

[safe shale]

9 days ago

[soft surge]

you pick the mythic skardyns

[proud pelican]

Then yeah it can drop

[soft surge]

eu vaults are dum

[safe shale]

Really? i thought it was only the bosses you killed that week

When did that change

[umbral sierra]

yeah ngl i forgot that was even a talent

im so used to just having cheat death. is there any other heroic fight i shouldnt run cheat on?

[little saffron]

@balmy condor any idea? xD

[proud pelican]

I thought you were eligible for loot from any boss you’ve killed on that difficulty but I’m not 100% sure so I’ll yield this one to the experts

[safe shale]

Seems that way yeah

[coral ibex]

crazy to ping for a vault with myth skardyn

when you have a 610

[balmy condor]

yeah what

[safe shale]

Dude, are you literally insane

[balmy condor]

that's an insta take skardyns lmao

[safe shale]

Pick the fkin trinket you egg

[soft surge]

is it an eu thing

[safe shale]

Like whats wrong with you xD

[balmy condor]

got it, taking egg trinket

[little saffron]

lel

[safe shale]

Like 4 people have told him xD

[safe shale]

Stoppppp xD

[little saffron]

I am kinda between the skar trinket and the egg

KEKW

[soft surge]

https://i.imgur.com/Q4cU8B9.png

[proud pelican]

I also had a myth skaradyns in my vault this week and literally didn’t even look at any other piece

[coral ibex]

dude i cranked sikran tn and i got the dash twice

[soft surge]

this is what it can be

[coral ibex]

wtf

[balmy condor]

you're an idiot

respectfully

[little saffron]

ty

[safe shale]

Then uninstall the game

[little saffron]

haha

[safe shale]

Literally delete your account

[balmy condor]

if you have any thought other than "myth skardyns holy fuck"

you need to delete your rogue

[safe shale]

Do you want 100 dollars or a steaming pile of shit?

"idk im torn"

[drifting cloud]

do you still do 1 key a week whispyr for the highroll

[balmy condor]

nah

[umbral sierra]

on ovinax are we just using m+ build?

[safe shale]

jesus no what

[little saffron]

okie okie I got the skar trinket

[safe shale]

Okay i come back to this disc every now and then and i die alot inside

[drifting cloud]

the egg isnt that bad!

[ebon notch]

!!!!!!!

[drifting cloud]

its just on the wrong track

[safe shale]

Yes, yes it is

The egg vs skar

is shit

[coral ibex]

the egg is significantly worse than skardyn

[ebon notch]

skardyns when transmitter exists

[little saffron]

I mean what's the odd of seeing skar mythic on ur vault tho

[safe shale]

This is NOT up for debate xD

[little saffron]

w/e I was dumb to ask it at first place KEKW

[safe shale]

yes

[proud pelican]

The egg trinket is for big min max pog gamers. Skaradyns is just for lazy people who want to macro it to deathmark and forget about it, you choose what type of gamer you want to be

[safe shale]

thats okay though

[umbral sierra]

nvm i just coppied wowhead build for it, forced induction over lethality is interesting

[safe shale]

You are wrong on many levels

Skar is just significantly better

even if you min max an egg

[proud pelican]

Ik bro obviously im memeing smh my head

[safe shale]

okok

[runic hinge]

Sub rogue detected

[little saffron]

so I will combo the skar with DB trinket

let's go

[safe shale]

Hard to tell in this place though

[little saffron]

the db trinket should be 40-50% uptime right?

[safe shale]

M+ yes

[ebon notch]

i dont play sub

[soft surge]

is raidbots heavily taxed in the eu

[safe shale]

sacbrood skar is usually still better for ST

sim wise for me at least

my vaults a pile of guff

L

G u f f

hot poo

[little saffron]

that egg

[soft surge]

you already have the wings?

[little saffron]

gimme

gimme

[safe shale]

Zero you need to delete your rogue

idk who told you egg

was good for you

But its really not

[lethal arrow]

this shit shuldv died last week

[little saffron]

why I should delete my rogue xD

[safe shale]

Because you want the egg

[proud pelican]

I have a myth empowering crystal and a myth skaradyns glad I’m a washed up dad gamer who does like 2 +10s per week max

[little saffron]

When I was doing 7-8M on first pull NW 11 with 600 gear

KEKW

[safe shale]

Who asked

[little saffron]

I just started rogue in 1 day

[safe shale]

And youre alreadyu off onto the wrong track gj

[little saffron]

I have a dogshit trinket also 580 hand

[pliant remnant]

[little saffron]

ofc I would consider the best way to catch-up at this moment

[safe shale]

and you almost chose a dogshit egg

Thats not catch up

Thats fall behind

[little saffron]

well gettin in discord and asking before taking it

is not almost picking a dogshit egg xD

[safe shale]

Dude. you should have opened the vault

saw skar

and looked no where elese

[soft surge]

i wished u picked the egg, you deserve it

[safe shale]

at all

Yeah

[drifting cloud]

can you stop talking shit already

[safe shale]

agreed

Go egg

XD

[drifting cloud]

you were boring 30 msgs ago

[safe shale]

womp

[drifting cloud]

sim the egg in your vault instead and you might be surprised

[little saffron]

eta gege

[river rune]

mythic skaradyn or mythic head set piece with gem slot? i think skaradyn no?

[safe shale]

No dont sim the egg

Take skar

XD

[drifting cloud]

im talking to you

dummy

[safe shale]

Who

[soft surge]

🇪🇺

[proud pelican]

Whom

[safe shale]

Whom was he talking to

[proud pelican]

Idk whom

[safe shale]

Hmm

[runic hinge]

sus blue name

[ebon notch]

no matter what role i take

it ends up being sus

cant do anything about it

[runic hinge]

That's fair

[drifting cloud]

go yellow you wont

[ebon notch]

ive been yellow before

[oak tangle]

im a red main

but i paly sub sometimes

but also

[runic hinge]

I won't play transmitter for .4% dps

[oak tangle]

calling treacherous an option with skardyn's is very sub brain

[ebon notch]

noob

[runic hinge]

true

I played it in 3 keys last week cause of the desync with the affix and then i just gave up and went double passive

[safe shale]

yeah transmitter .4% dps "MIN MAX" but if you gotta stand in an aoe to get it, - 12% dps, so il ltake skar everytime

[crude anvil]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[ebon notch]

then dont stand in an aoe

[safe shale]

Yeah so, lose dps

:D~

[ebon notch]

if i can play transmitter as DH on queen mythic you can play it in a +6 key

on god

[safe shale]

Lol cringe

6 key

XD

[ebon notch]

are you up to +7s now

[safe shale]

P sure most folk arent getting myth track transmitters

Me?

You flaming me? XDDD

Why

[ebon notch]

just memeing

[safe shale]

It was weird

[balmy condor]

can't we just agree that you're both weird

[safe shale]

No doubt about that

[oak tangle]

good luck finding your freakin transmitter option on like half the raid bosses

[balmy condor]

it's not that bad

[drifting cloud]

yump x3

[ebon notch]

im coming to TTS in ur stream

[novel star]

XD

[oak tangle]

ovinax got a fat fuckin ass

[novel star]

still amazed by the breakdown on this boss

[balmy condor]

2.8 is kinda insane no

[novel star]

96 parse

[balmy condor]

padlord

[ebon notch]

aug buffed?

[safe shale]

tbf i noticed recently my skar wasnt going on cd with deatmark and im like "ugh f this bug every key" then i realise its affix, literal cancer affix, give me trinekt cd or no cd

[novel star]

believe so

[ebon notch]

[novel star]

umad?

[drifting cloud]

people do less, you do more

[ebon notch]

another unethical suspect caught red handed

[drifting cloud]

its the law of equivalent exchange

[novel star]

actually its 2.75 on wcl its still fine

[safe shale]

Feeel most rogues are top ovi damage atm, boss damage at least, from what ive found

[short quarry]

is crafting a dagger as first craft worth if not mythic raiding and only m+ing? Does dagger level really do much vs other ilvl increases?

[zealous tundra]

sup guys! can someone advise why taking insignia trinket here is loss of DMG https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uGcvy48tgbjvAGQfPQ8iiV

[balmy condor]

your raids add damage must be absolutely cooked

[safe shale]

Most*

[balmy condor]

dungeonslice

[zealous tundra]

do an ST sim then?

[balmy condor]

mainhand matters a lot, offhand not

[safe shale]

Was about to say, my raid kill adds after i caustic once or twice, no way can i parse that shit

[balmy condor]

haste is much better in single target yes

you wouldn't want a billion haste in m+

where you're gonna be in aoe

for like 80% of the key

[short quarry]

thanks whyspyr

[drifting cloud]

when did that happen

[balmy condor]

7? weeks ago

maybe 8

[drifting cloud]

oh

[balmy condor]

it's been a while

[drifting cloud]

guess I never looked

[novel star]

uhh

its not ideal but its not the worst ever

[woven shore]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

[balmy condor]

show parasite

[woven shore]

YEEEEEEEEEEs

[safe shale]

What is yess?

[novel star]

ok its pretty bad i shouldnt be 4th on parasites

[woven shore]

Mythic Ovinax kill BOYS!

[balmy condor]

dog why are your keybinds bigger than your moms fat ass

[woven shore]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

because im blind as FUCK

[safe shale]

Kick your warrior

[oak tangle]

finsterer katalysator!

[balmy condor]

delete your weakauras at that point

[woven shore]

😦

[balmy condor]

[drifting cloud]

dont stand to bullies

[novel star]

listen bro

at least the boss is dying

with an hour left for kyveza

[balmy condor]

nah it's chill

I am also guild add killer on prog

[ebon notch]

"they have to die" enjoyers

[balmy condor]

and then after prog people wake up

[drifting cloud]

520s fight length

wtf

[balmy condor]

and I never parse again

[novel star]

my boomie 99d that pull

[oak tangle]

😓

[ebon notch]

what the fuck is this

[safe shale]

My guilds warrior bladestorms parasites into next tier so i dont get to do damage

[ebon notch]

did ur ui reset

[safe shale]

Good boss dps though

[oak tangle]

uhhh i wish i could say yes

[drifting cloud]

just call him british you can never lose an argument

[ebon notch]

arent you like serbian

[drifting cloud]

nope

[ebon notch]

close enough

[safe shale]

doesnt like bullying, but racial jokes are cool

[oak tangle]

that my whole ui

[safe shale]

Kap

[runic hinge]

british isn't a race

[safe shale]

That is big

Everything is big. very big there

[ebon notch]

im racing somewhere on god

[drifting cloud]

how many vaults did you open daps

[balmy condor]

dude his keys are bigger than his fram

[runic hinge]

I'm racing to the grave

[ebon notch]

only 3

dk rogue dh

[slate crown]

same

[oak tangle]

i wanna get an ai bot, that uses abilities when i say something

but like instead of having to say the spell name

i'm just like "OH SHIT" and it defensives

"fuck fuck fuck fuck" and it does movement ability

[dawn heath]

how have i gotten a upgrade every week

on m rogue

is crazy

form my vault

since week 1

[dawn heath]

i still need 3 sockets

[woven shore]

[drifting cloud]

next week youll get socketed item already

like a belt

or helm

[dawn heath]

iv've been disgustingly lucky

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/ogBIcIX.jpeg

german item names

never cease to amaze and scare me

[drifting cloud]

is that why you dont stream anymore seli, so your game can be in german?

[marble hemlock]

i swapped from the german to the english client in TBC

when they started renaming capital cities

couldnt stand Eisenschmiede

[drifting cloud]

is that ironforge

[marble hemlock]

yep

germans and their need to localize names

they even renamed the game of thrones characters. John Snow turned into John Schnee. Somehow they kept the first name english, weird they didnt call him Johann or smth

[oak tangle]

it amazes me how different countries call other countries different things

[drifting cloud]

John Schnee goes hard

[marble hemlock]

it in fact does not

neither do some of the other, more egregious renames

[woven shore]

Wes
how are other assa rogues dealing so much dmg on ovinax

[oak tangle]

like, do germans call themselves german, and they just live in deutchland orrrr

[woven shore]

is it because their grp dealt less aoe dmg ?

[marble hemlock]

crimson tempest good

and yes

the less aoe other people do, the more you do

[blazing pumice]

^

[woven shore]

okay

[blazing pumice]

i got a r2 on anduin because our locks did no damage

even though our kill time was bad

[woven shore]

is 8.13 kill time for ovinax good

[drifting cloud]

definetly not

[shadow badger]

how tf do people have 1.6 mil damage on kyveza i just killed it and im only simming 1.37 mil

[quasi stump]

Question

[shadow badger]

like theres no way bruh

[blazing pumice]

sim is average dps, not upper bound

[woven shore]

whats good kill time ?

[drifting cloud]

7min or closer to 9

[quasi stump]

What dungeons do you guys wanna see next season?

[blazing pumice]

within any individual kill you will have a range of potential dps possibilities

[drifting cloud]

depends if you lust pull or not aswell

[quasi stump]

the oculus

[balmy condor]

good rng good kill time

[shadow badger]

none. Mythic + delves.

[novel star]

plaguefall

[shadow badger]

[novel star]

or sanguine depths

[quasi stump]

We already got a green dungeon this season

We dont need another

[novel star]

sang then

[shadow badger]

lol what kind of reason is that

[lethal arrow]

all the worst possible ones

[shadow badger]

make 8 green dungeons if they are all good bruh

[spice spire]

@slim pebble luna was right

[quasi stump]

Rookery
Cinderbrew
Darkflame cleft
Priory of the sacred flame
Siege of Boralus
Atal’dazar
Grimrail depot
Assault on violet hold

Also hi quake

[umbral sierra]

no more slands m+ give us mythic shattered halls

[spice spire]

hello smattering of crows

[drifting cloud]

we just doing siege b2b damn

[quasi stump]

Siege is the new mega dungeon

One is the horde side one is the alliance side

Thats it

[umbral sierra]

or mythic + halls of lightning

[ebon notch]

About what

[lethal arrow]

oh yeah now we're cooking

[quasi stump]

M+ botanica

[balmy condor]

make the m+ pool the worst dungeons and then make all the trinkets bad

so m+ players can suffer

[lethal arrow]

love the violet hold pick

[ebon notch]

Jokes on you you gotta farm them too

[lethal arrow]

and cap m+ gear at hero track

from vault

[ebon notch]

I love crests I love flight stones

[quasi stump]

Im surprised more people arent defending atal dazar

[spice spire]

my vault was shit

[drifting cloud]

seat, cathedral, violet hold, arcway legion themed

[quasi stump]

Ig people actually pugged it and know how awful it was

[spice spire]

mythic cloak

and no, not the cloak

just a random cloak

[ebon notch]

I got rashanan cloak, empowering crystal and DK probably takes socket

[lethal arrow]

wailing caverns M+

[spice spire]

so far I got mythic cloak, hero gale on rat spriest one hitter, and checking warr rn

rash cloak is sauce tho gz

crystal also good but I knew that one

[ebon notch]

Lmk if you want priest coaching

[drifting cloud]

this guy is doing vaults on multiple chars? youve changed

[hot pasture]

can u have 2 kukris ? or u can repeat items?

[ebon notch]

He’s locked in

[lethal arrow]

yea

[quasi stump]

Scourge of lorderon from wc3 but its an M+ dungeon. You gotta play an RTS for your vault

[ebon notch]

You’re a lost ark addict

[spice spire]

already contented viklund, appreciate it king

[lethal arrow]

most ppl use 1 kukri/regicide, 1 crafted tho

[ebon notch]

Hahaha

[lethal arrow]

dragon soul m+

unskippable rp

[ebon notch]

He showed up in Scanas friends stream and Scana shit himself

[hot pasture]

i have 1 mith kukri and in the vault 1 myth kukri too but i dont know if i can equip both

[drifting cloud]

did you meet up with scana or

[ebon notch]

No

He’s miles away

[shadow badger]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[drifting cloud]

how many miles

[runic hinge]

10 miles is far to a brit

[drifting cloud]

10 was my max aswell

[coral ibex]

[pliant remnant]

Second Myth track Spyglass, and a Myth purple egg

still rockin' a 606 Skardyn's

shambles

[quasi stump]

The mega dungeon is us shrank down and in xalatath’s feet and we’re battling across the creases to get something

[ebon notch]

Take egg

Fuck it

[coral ibex]

[ebon notch]

Maybe it hatches into something useful

[quasi stump]

Its a fire idea right

One side is the right foot, other side is the left foot

[coral ibex]