theres no reason to fight them
#assassination
quaint depot
warm vortex
Parked my aly outside of the vault
vast patio
how has it not been buffed by now
cobalt sphinx
praying for ocarina for you
quaint depot
arent they making the legendary ring type deal soon?
warm vortex
I got Grace last weak
mast/crit avoidance back before that
soooo
i seem pretrty lucky
inland escarp
It will haunt you ven!
warm vortex
yea but i don't have a myth ring
quaint depot
oh fair
warm vortex
only non/crafted myth slots are
1 trink, boots, neck and 2 rings
tulip kelp
same
quaint depot
the ol mistcaller ocarina lol
you tellin me you dont want that thing
it looks dope
guinness book of world records for most mistcaller ocarina 639s
quaint depot
lmao
warm vortex
it prolly will look like this tomorrow
hallow pelican
is the treacherous transmitter mini-game really worth the payoff?
quaint depot
yeah its insane im pretty sure
warm vortex
but don't run it with grace iirc
hallow pelican
how many of you actually run the transmitter?
quaint depot
they should have made a spymasters for agi users
hallow pelican
like are you saying its great and none of u actually use it? or do u use it?
balmy condor
I use it
stray adder
great trinket
quaint depot
Not everyone has it, its one of the best trinkets in the game for a ton of specs and classes
stray adder
it keeps you humble
inland escarp
coral ibex
our fury quit let’s go!!!! probably not raiding tn again!
warm vortex
Lol
quaint depot
Idk if it would be worth using with grace, probably not, if you did i guess youd use transmitter during your DM/KB/ etc, and on the off cycle with only KB youd use the skardyns
no idea how that sims tho
warm vortex
Also no feet in assa discord
Weird
balmy condor
no idea how that sims tho
poorly
warm vortex
Idk if it would be worth using with grace, probably not, if you did i guess youd...
Isn’t two usable stat tricks a no
Yea
The big man himself spitting facts
quaint depot
Yeah for assa its probably bad
warm vortex
Btw
cobalt sphinx
yeah i don't think odd kingsbanes do enough damage to warrant another on-use
quaint depot
facts
warm vortex
How was your vault whysp
cobalt sphinx
ret and fdk use double on-use though
balmy condor
nothing
quaint depot
I know Frost DK can like 2 on use trinkets because they can pop one every pillar of frost
warped shard
guys on raid ST.. do you shiv twice during KB?
balmy condor
yes
warped shard
before and last 7 sec?
warm vortex
All because (aledigly) someone got hit by a train
I got home 2 hours late
So I eas at uni from 9-19
quaint depot
Sounds like you got off better than the poor fella who got hit by a train at least
balmy condor
before and last 7 sec?
as long as it covers the kb
warm vortex
before and last 7 sec?
DM -> Shiv -> KB
When first shiv runs out shiv again I’m p sure
If you use a WA pack it would most likely tell you
When to shiv
But yea, one before KB and one halfway through Kn
quaint depot
you just want shiv up for the entire duration of KB
warm vortex
Sounds like you got off better than the poor fella who got hit by a train at lea...
I mean staff were saying unknown reasons on the train speaker, asked one and he said most likely someoje got hit
Considering emergency vehicles were on a station down the line
warm vortex
Do you fill your vault up?
warm vortex
Like genuinly, do you just get this unlucky?
warm vortex
it sucks ass
?
warm vortex
Give me some luck
cobalt sphinx
yeah i think sin st in raid is pretty solid
warm vortex
I say that not doing a single delve
cobalt sphinx
just wait until fatebound catches on
balmy condor
not a lot left
merry bison
Like I'm not sure how those guys pulled off 1,5mil when I sim 1mil with like 630
past marten
coral ibex
that’s extremely low
balmy condor
What items you looking for then
queen ring, myth chest, myth neck
warm vortex
queen ring, myth chest, myth neck
Fair
Mines 2 myth rings
Myth trink
Myth neck
Myth boots
Rest is crafted or mythic already
warm vortex
Oh yea, well you’re yuck!
honest pelican
tried to do too much, thought i had 2 623 vaults at least on rogue but somehow i didnt haha. well that sucks, tokens it is
cobalt sphinx
ion hazzikostas got ya ass
amber fossil
Did we get nerfed again? I keep the sim value in the name of my gearset and the last 2 weeks I have upgraded some gear and the value is lower than the prior sim
west crown
Queen ring a 10k upgrade same ilvl. wtf easiest vault
amber fossil
2 weeks in a row this has happened
rotund oak
cobalt sphinx
sounds like you are trippin blood
honest pelican
2 weeks in a row this has happened
your losing ilvl probably, each week if you don't play minimum 60 hours your character gets a hidden ilvl nerf
(jk if not obvious)
graceful heart
your losing ilvl probably, each week if you don't play minimum 60 hours your cha...
yea, I think I read that somewhere, it's called the Kotick Tax
honest pelican
ide try and sim it a few more times maybe, sim is always plus/minus a few no?
rotund oak
yes as all models there is a statistical wrong
valid pulsar
Like 200-400 damage no?
rotund oak
it says the variation in the sim
west crown
Did we get nerfed again? I keep the sim value in the name of my gearset and the ...
Could help a lot more if you link sim
warm vortex
Tbh I haven’t simmed seal in a bit but I remember it being much worse for me aoe for some reason
short night
im sustaining 1.6m on dummies in 560 gear. is this spec broken?
graceful heart
im sustaining 1.6m on dummies in 560 gear. is this spec broken?
yes and no, but it's fun as fuck
cobalt sphinx
you might just be the goat
west crown
Sounds normal for aoe. People in mdi hitting 20
rotund oak
yes and no, but it's fun as fuck
?
warm vortex
If I get a crit/mast ring, seal, mythic whisp boots or silkran neck
Imma
Idk do something
west crown
I pray for your seal. I got it this week so I know you will too
amber fossil
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1XpLTbC6oPDJ12vMCZsgKo The value in the name of my gearset (prior sim) was 6.010m. Notice the "current gear" value of this sim is lower at 5.972m
rotund oak
why do u patchwreck 5 targets 1 min
graceful heart
?
in context of like it's op but there's stupid external factors like your tank/etc that can make it no
rotund oak
whats the deal
rotund oak
in context of like it's op but there's stupid external factors like your tank/et...
sin isnt OP its strong but nowhere near OP
west crown
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1XpLTbC6oPDJ12vMCZsgKo The value in the n...
Margin of error explains it
graceful heart
I'd say priority funnel can be OP as fuck depending the mob, but personal viewpoint and for context I've not taken my rogue in anything beyond a 7, because I'm a slave to grim batol
but I see the value in 11s/etc
rotund oak
Or whatever it’s called
dropped for me,traded to the warrior 
the man wanted to buy me dinner or something
hushed dirge
Tier piece or the very rare back
amber fossil
5.972m vs 6.101m doesnt seem like a small margin of error to me
balmy condor
link the old sim
stray bloom
Good evening guys, does anyone have a standalone Crimson Tempest WA? Thanks
rotund oak
Tier piece or the very rare back
u can catalyze any myth track piece,the back.. not rly 😉
unless its rhetorical u know the answer 😛
cobalt sphinx
grab that telephone and play sub
balmy condor
Good evening guys, does anyone have a standalone Crimson Tempest WA? Thanks
you can use the weakaura template function
warm vortex
Tier piece or the very rare back
Did you know you unlocked some titles
amber fossil
link the old sim
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f66dE8BvKREYdPvFwadCLv this is the last one I could find
stray bloom
you can use the weakaura template function
Oh, that's actually really cool, didnt know that. Thanks!
amber fossil
I would expect the "current gear" sim value of latest sim to be the 6.031m from the old sim
but it's 5.972m
warm vortex
Holy shit I’m sleepy
rotund oak
Holy shit I’m sleepy
coffee
im waiting the verdict on this 5target patchwreck sim
1min
balmy condor
I would expect the "current gear" sim value of latest sim to be the 6.031m from ...
different weapon enchants
equipped here is depths/radiant
amber fossil
good eye Whisp
warm vortex
Whispyr
Can you do me a favour
While I’m sleeping. Get like a tally counter. Each time someone asks a question they can search up or look at wowhead. Tally it
Aka
Stupid question = tally
I wanna see how high it gets
cobalt sphinx
you are also wearing different gloves in the two different sims
rotund oak
It’s 9pm
for me it does compeltely nothing anymore.. hot coffee makes me wanna sleep any time of the day but i drink alot of it at work..
cobalt sphinx
and necks
warm vortex
you are also wearing different gloves in the two different sims
That sounds so funny out of context
Your daggers do more damage depending on your gloves
warm vortex
https://tenor.com/view/number-rising-numbers-counting-numbers-smiley-gif-1759916...
Most likely this
Also holy that pink name is pretty
warm vortex
for me it does compeltely nothing anymore.. hot coffee makes me wanna sleep any ...
That second part explains the first
rotund oak
Also holy that pink name is pretty
Vae is one of the best Scientists in the field of Transmog,absolute banger ideas
rotund oak
That second part explains the first
yup
uncut dragon
Hey, I'm a scrub with no crafted/embelished pieces, is it ok to craft a ring/boots since they're my only leftover champion-track gear, or does it make much of a dif? I know the embelishments are kinda underpowered but raid leader wants embelishments
warm vortex
Yea I would have thought so too tbf
warm vortex
Hey, I'm a scrub with no crafted/embelished pieces, is it ok to craft a ring/boo...
Sim
shut garnet
Yea I would have thought so too tbf
u good?
shut garnet
cobalt sphinx
Hey, I'm a scrub with no crafted/embelished pieces, is it ok to craft a ring/boo...
yeah should be fine, ring embellishments kinda suck ass but it's not gonna hurt you in the long run
crafted rings are pretty solid and you can always remove and change embellishments if you got the gold
restive falcon
warm vortex
quaint dock
Anyone know what this countdown is from? I saw it in a video and haven't found something like it when I went looking?
cobalt sphinx
i think it's a timeline WA like this one https://wago.io/CucqUEyfY
there are a couple out there
coral ibex
isn’t that bw timeline
cobalt sphinx
it might be built into bw/dbm so you might not need a weakaura, not sure
gusty plover
Idk whats the best item between boots, belt and weapon for the long term
I already have a mythic weapon and a crafted one, boots and belt are h
cobalt sphinx
how many people in your raid have the boots
royal lantern
coral ibex
the sim will know
cobalt sphinx
i wouldn't take boots if you're winning them tonight
gusty plover
spiral anchor
The name is Robert
gusty plover
i wouldn't take boots if you're winning them tonight
Ye I was thinking about that
Belt is really good since its bis stats
warm vortex
Guys
Here’s a 4 step guide on how to get a good vault:
cobalt sphinx
just scoop a socketed 629 belt on the AH
gusty plover
and its a matter of time of getting a mythic weapon since im the only one who can use them
warm vortex
- I
- Ii
- II
- I_
cobalt sphinx
second one
spiral anchor
1) I
2) Ii
3) II
4) I_
whas that
gusty plover
just scoop a socketed 629 belt on the AH
are those upgradeable?
restive falcon
and its a matter of time of getting a mythic weapon since im the only one who ca...
if youre still reclearing blood, i wouldnt take a wep, my guild did 7 blood kills and saw 7 daggers, so eventually you'll get one imo
cobalt sphinx
it is a stat stick with next to no value yes
cobalt sphinx
are those upgradeable?
yeah it's myth track
gusty plover
yeah it's myth track
the only problem is that I dont have gold for that shit lmao
cobalt sphinx
pick some flowers bozo
warm vortex
the only problem is that I dont have gold for that shit lmao
Buy the wow token
Or mug someone
Same result just different method
spiral anchor
Idk
I remembered it but I’m at a **loss** for words
im at a robert for wordS
wispy marsh
This is why we do it boys 
spice spire
This is why we do it boys <:PirateHeart:536846568037416970>
First line is what whispyr tells me
But not in wow
wispy marsh
But not in wow
Actually laughed out loud
cobalt sphinx
the only problem is that I dont have gold for that shit lmao
all 3 items seem relatively even in value, rash drops a belt, bbh dagger, sikran boots so the upgrades in those slots are relatively available
warm vortex
First line is what whispyr tells me
Everyone tells you that mister ill
spice spire
Everyone tells you that mister ill
I ain’t tryna slam everyone, what kind of man do you take me for 
restive falcon
This is why we do it boys <:PirateHeart:536846568037416970>
that happened to me a few days ago then i got spammed for 1hour 
gloomy heart
Rogue cant do anything to the affix this week right?
warm vortex
Rogue cant do anything to the affix this week right?
What one is it
hardy dawn
Guys any good WA to track Master assassin?
sharp viper
Guys is my gear good
no but you have Nice Shorts
night cipher
missing enchants wth man
warm vortex
Also I love your pfp so much
The amount of stupid gifs with that cat is insane
warm vortex
no but you have Nice Shorts
Cheers
gloomy heart
What one is it
orb
restive falcon
mastery low :/
warm vortex
missing enchants wth man
Ah yea mb
quaint dock
i think it's a timeline WA like this one https://wago.io/CucqUEyfY
Appreciate your help, that was exactly what I was looking for
warm vortex
The stun one?
If so aoe blind hits it if used on a non orb
torn mist
Dropped at my 55th run
gloomy heart
warm vortex
no but you have Nice Shorts
Still have that mog Acc
cobalt sphinx
fan the orbs for combo points
warm vortex
warm vortex
Just different shoes
keen spruce
ive given away 6 skardyn's this tier
gm niannas say it back
cobalt sphinx
stat values lookin a lil sus there
keen spruce
i'm doin crests
spice spire
do you need me to carry you again!
He’s a casual
keen spruce
come carry me
warm vortex
But anyway
As I was saying with the cat gifs
spice spire
He always needs to be carried
cobalt sphinx
arcane torrent works on the balls too
spice spire
gloomy heart
blind a regular mob near the orbs and it'll hit them
all?
spice spire
All within range yeah
normal mist
hell yeah
uneven plume
any1 got any scoop on the leggo ring next patch?
eager peak
what do u guys think would be a good trinket to get? sims higher with the Shadow Binding Knife but idk if in a long term sacbrood gonna be a better option
warm vortex
Gnight all! Hope your morning/afternoon/evening goes well
warm vortex
what do u guys think would be a good trinket to get? sims higher with the Shadow...
Dagger imo
vast patio
I'm running this in 8s to crest up since my rogue is still relatively new. I want MA but am not sure how I'd fit it in. Bone spike is real nice for how quick some packs die.
restive falcon
sac v good in keys/raid, crystal beats sac in m+ and u can farm both knife/sac
eager peak
ooh okk
uneven plume
I'm running this in 8s to crest up since my rogue is still relatively new. I wan...
can remove sudden demise or iron wire
restive falcon
everyone and their mother wants sac, knife just gotta get good delve rng
eager peak
thanks guys, im focusing on keys rn, probably ill get the knife
vast patio
can remove sudden demise or iron wire
For 8s?
restive falcon
Dawnthread
vast patio
I thought about it but some of the pugs are insanely bad at kicking >.>
runic hinge
I'm running this in 8s to crest up since my rogue is still relatively new. I wan...
drop sanguine
uneven plume
idk i feel like in +8s nothing really kills you except boss swirlies
uneven plume
plus some dungeons like mists, SoB and CoT there are minimal kicks
where you kinda dont need IW
vast patio
True.
cobalt sphinx
what do u guys think would be a good trinket to get? sims higher with the Shadow...
knife is very good
uneven plume
but SV and GB, IW is a must
vast patio
Is knife the best passive if you can get it hero track?
cobalt sphinx
at its ilvl it kinda is yeah
runic hinge
until you get myth track
cobalt sphinx
but idk if 626 knife beats 639 others
uneven plume
626 knife is on par with every other mythic trinket except grace
you cant get knife on mythic i think
valid pulsar
but idk if 626 knife beats 639 others
626 knife beat 626 skardyn?
vast patio
fingers crossed on my last delver's bounty dropping it then lol
gusty plover
all 3 items seem relatively even in value, rash drops a belt, bbh dagger, sikran...
tough choice tbh, seems like we are re clearing for the last time and focusing on progress for next weeks, Im next in line for boots if they drop and I can just buy the belt when I get the gold but prob not worth it, I think the best play is just save the vault for after the raid
vast patio
626 knife beat 626 skardyn?
passives
vast patio
I do know my champ knife whoops my spyglass I grinded for >.>
uneven plume
grace goes into one trinket slot perma
second trinket slot goes to crystal, sac or knife
cobalt sphinx
626 knife beat 626 skardyn?
no it's the best 2nd trinket, you need an on-use trinket always
uneven plume
depending on dung/route
valid pulsar
i think grace is BiS 626 or 639
Yeah was saying before I got both skardyn and knife hero track I took the skardyn tho
valid pulsar
no it's the best 2nd trinket, you need an on-use trinket always
Right
gloomy heart
You mean this?
uneven plume
yah that paired with 626 knife is insane
uneven plume
even 619 knife is pretty good
valid pulsar
But everyone uses spyglass and skardyn no?
spice spire
WORKING ON IT RN
gloomy heart
using hero crystal
uneven plume
i think spyglass is good for boss prio ST
since you cant really swap targets
with spyglass
balmy condor
what
valid pulsar
But like in which situation would you take knife over spyglass or crystal
balmy condor
of course you can
uneven plume
knife is a flat out mastery buff
valid pulsar
True
uneven plume
and you dont click anything
valid pulsar
Yeah
graceful heart
no reduces
balmy condor
I mean as a passive stat sure
graceful heart
oh yea, static secondary
uneven plume
yah, anyways
balmy condor
but I could say the same about spyglass
graceful heart
the reduction isn't massive though so 
balmy condor
yooooooooo it gives agi
uneven plume
the mastery buff is giga for that knife
balmy condor
novel star
knife at 626 is on par with the other passives at 639
why are we downplaying knife rn
it’s stupidly good
vast patio
I want a heroic one : (
eager peak
what do u guys think would be a good trinket to get? sims higher with the Shadow...
so basically i got really luck right here
novel star
But like in which situation would you take knife over spyglass or crystal
i only read this message for context 
subtle tundra
tomorrow guarantee gud vault
novel star
I'm just confused why tf we hate spyglass now
i don’t i use it 😭
639 skardyns 639 spyglass pov
novel star
tomorrow guarantee gud vault
myth queen ring
subtle tundra
gonna be goated
spring kernel
Hey guys I have been pushing keys with a rogue friend of mine and it looks like his damage is a bit off compared to other rogues while his uptime looks fine. Do you guys happen to know what he could improve on or what he is doing wrong? (This is a log off a run) https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nvfAHWPYm9Mhga3V#fight=7&type=damage-done
cobalt sphinx
spyglass doesn't read like it's mechanically suited well for aoe
valid pulsar
i only read this message for context <:BASED:937726484985032724>
Was just still stuck in how I was told to take hero knife over hero skardyn
vast patio
envenom over caustic seems weird
balmy condor
it snot
spring kernel
Yeah we were just wondering what caused that
balmy condor
logs combine effects
vast patio
logs combine effects
oh yeah.
novel star
Was just still stuck in how I was told to take hero knife over hero skardyn
from vault i presume? hero skardyns is farmable and hero knife is not
spring kernel
This is some other rogues log
novel star
and hero knife is insanely good
spring kernel
And hes pumping
novel star
that’s all rly
subtle tundra
Hey guys I have been pushing keys with a rogue friend of mine and it looks like ...
his damage breakdown is illegal
straight to jail
spring kernel
What can he do better to fix that?
subtle tundra
play better
balmy condor
less ruptures more envenoms pretty much the only thing I'm seeing on a glance
spring kernel
Should at least be a bit closer
subtle tundra
he is playing very badly
valid pulsar
from vault i presume? hero skardyns is farmable and hero knife is not
Right, yes but it simmed higher(skardyn) so i didn’t see in which scenario I would take the knife. When I can also just farm a crystal or spyglass you know?
novel star
What can he do better to fix that?
stop pressing ruptures and press envenoms instead
subtle tundra
caustic should be topping
balmy condor
varas shut up
subtle tundra
rupture shouldnt be that high
runic hinge
I'm just confused why tf we hate spyglass now
it's ugly
novel star
who has read an m+ log ever
runic hinge
tomorrow guarantee gud vault
queen kill in there?
balmy condor
how logs work
novel star
Ye true
balmy condor
and we keep getting baited
spring kernel
who has read an m+ log ever
I mean if we didnt we wouldnt know what he is doing wrong?
balmy condor
because "but details caustic 
"
novel star
but stop talking to me like that or i’ll eat you out lil bro
spring kernel
It is helping us now to improve
cloud basin
can someone make it to where the Ovinax egg isnt BiS for me lol? I dislike it on principle but i cant replace it
cobalt sphinx
he is double depths gaming
balmy condor
but stop talking to me like that or i’ll eat you out lil bro
yo aight bet lil bro
spring kernel
So what could my advice to him be?
balmy condor
less rupture more envenom
novel star
yo aight bet lil bro
subtle tundra
WELL HIS RUPTURES DOING A BIT TOO MUCH
spring kernel
WELL HIS RUPTURES DOING A BIT TOO MUCH
OKE THANKS
subtle tundra
SORRY WHISPYR
balmy condor
and tell him to not use depths
subtle tundra
depleted a bunch today
balmy condor
cause he's doing m+
runic hinge
wish someone would rupture me irl
balmy condor
and that's cringe
subtle tundra
timed only 2 keys...
spring kernel
and tell him to not use depths
Yeah hes changing it
spring kernel
and that's cringe
Thank you very much for your advice!
And everybody else that shit talked him
novel star
So what could my advice to him be?
only apply rupture to 5 targets for scent of blood and then focus on ct and mashing envenoms 
spring kernel
wispy epoch
What’s more of a dps loss, using depths in m+ or radiant in raid?
balmy condor
depths in m+
novel star
What’s more of a dps loss, using depths in m+ or radiant in raid?
depths m+
balmy condor
and it is not close
wispy epoch
Fuck
subtle tundra
guys do you like being killed by your own tank?
novel star
i answered faster cause whispyr is still shaking from the anilingus.
balmy condor
my knees are bucklin
wispy epoch
What lingus?!
balmy condor
What lingus?!
anilingus is the lickage of buttholes
wispy epoch
anilingus is the lickage of buttholes
😡
I play on Moon Guard and you don’t think I know that???
graceful heart
I keep telling my girl to dig in, but she never does :/
humble verge
uh
in stonevault first corridor pull
do you guys do standard amb, gar, rup rup gar?
or do you do more for more output
graceful heart
in stonevault first corridor pull
sure that can be a euphamism for eating ass, why not
balmy condor
I play on Moon Guard and you don’t think I know that???
how am I supposed to know that you're a degenerate you got the wrong color for the homo convos in here you're supposed to be mad about acro or something
humble verge
sure that can be a euphamism for eating ass, why not
gachi
wispy epoch
how am I supposed to know that you're a degenerate you got the wrong color for t...
Fix my tags
humble verge
but now answer my question
balmy condor
fix em yourself bozo
wispy epoch
I’ve been a new member for 5 years
cobalt sphinx
@spring kernel i don't have a very good way of tracking it, but i think his management of his hero talent is really sloppy -- it looks like he doesn't have good uptime on deathstalkers mark, and he lets it drop for a very long period of time, going almost 3 minutes without a deathstalkers mark
wispy epoch
Which means he’s not doing full combo point envenoms to place it back on @spring kernel
balmy condor
could also be cause he's too busy tabbing ruptures to everything for some reason
might just fix itself
calm grail
depths in m+
So always radiant in m+ and raid if you mostly do m+?
balmy condor
well if you mostly do m+ why would you ever depths
wispy epoch
Depths was good at the start okay
balmy condor
HEROIC?????????
wispy epoch
HE RAIDS HEROIC
balmy condor
brother
depths is legit pure single target
it does nothing else
why would you use depths
wispy epoch
Heroic parses…
wispy marsh
Heroic parses…
Stop making fun of me. I don't have a mythic guild 😭
calm grail
Heroic parses…
Don't be a neckbeard lmao
wispy epoch
Stop making fun of me. I don't have a mythic guild 😭
Just do what other people do here
Join a 4+/8 mythic guild and act like you’re good
cobalt haven
One radiant one depths ez
balmy condor
yeah I saw a bunch of folks at the top of raider.io dropping iron wire after spending the last 3 months arguing that it's required and you take a 7% dps loss in order to proc it more
so
idk
wispy marsh
Join a 4+/8 mythic guild and act like you’re good
This is the way
calm grail
yeah I saw a bunch of folks at the top of raider.io dropping iron wire after spe...
Oh no I trust you, I was just explaining why I ever dropped radiant
I didn't know if the folks there knew something I didn't
clever sapphire
Join a 4+/8 mythic guild and act like you’re good
I quit a CE guild and act like im good, does that count? 
balmy condor
One radiant one depths ez
why would you do this
cobalt haven
then youre half bad in each
real solar
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calm grail
yeah I saw a bunch of folks at the top of raider.io dropping iron wire after spe...
Is this why I see a ton of subterfuge without MA now?
balmy condor
yeah I mean good logic if they were equally good/bad
but they're not
so
bad logic
you're giving up like 0.1-0.2% in single target going power
and then giving up like a solid 0.5-0.6% in aoe going depths
so going 1 and 1
is still dumb
wispy epoch
MA > IW build is the best one
weary spear
Lethality and supercharger + TTK and SD/IW depending on key imo
cobalt sphinx
go bonerspikeless
wispy epoch
Without a trace optional
subtle tundra
mandatory
wispy epoch
Untrue
coral ibex
WAT vs 1/2 leth... easy choice
balmy condor
Is this why I see a ton of subterfuge without MA now?
I mean at the start of the season you had a wave of subterfuge/without a trace for the iron wire, then they buffed subterfuge an absolute ungodly amount, so instead of without a trace being -7%, it's within 0.5%. So one would think that it's crazy good and we play it, since people played it before and now it's even better, and MA is even better and really strong. But nah, now you got m+ players dropping without a trace, dropping iron wire (just as good as ever), dropping subterfuge (one of the largest single talent buffs we've ever seen), dropping master assassin (super large buff). Casualaddict was playing supercharger (roughly equal to ER) the other day, people are playing like 1/2 and 2/2 lethality (nerfed btw). Nothing makes sense anymore in the m+ community people are legit just throwing random shit at the wall and seeing what sticks, finding out everything sticks cause the damage is similar regardless of where you put those 2-5 points. But when I said that in august I'm a shitter that doesn't do m+ and doesn't understand the game I guess
m+ community is just monkeys on typewriters
cloud basin
hows my stats lol?
coral ibex
balmy condor
yeh need to get that isosceles more scalene bro
wispy epoch
How the fuck does he have that much crit
cloud basin
subtle tundra
https://tenor.com/view/im-not-a-dude-im-a-girl-dont-call-me-that-dude-bro-gif-14...
dont care bro
you could be a cat
meow
balmy condor
no thats me
subtle tundra
meow
wispy epoch
Meow
balmy condor
meow
calm grail
I mean at the start of the season you had a wave of subterfuge/without a trace f...
So this is fine 😛
balmy condor
yes
wispy epoch
Meow
coral ibex
subterfuge without MA is cooked but sure
wispy epoch
So this is fine 😛
He doesn’t have without a trace!!!
balmy condor
there's 400 builds
that are fine
you could ask a blind man to tap your screen with his cane
and you'd stumble into a build that works
stray adder
abysmal talent tree
balmy condor
who fucking cares
wispy epoch
Give me a build that’ll beat my enhancement shaman co-booster on 10s…
cobalt sphinx
Could drop bonerspikes for MA and TTK because they are cool and new
subtle tundra
Give me a build that’ll beat my enhancement shaman co-booster on 10s…
another enhancer
cobalt haven
numbing or atrophioc in m+
stray adder
might as well drop IW
subtle tundra
that plays better
hollow phoenix
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wispy epoch
numbing or atrophioc in m+
Above 10 atrophic, below mind numbing
subtle tundra
numbing or atrophioc in m+
doesnt matter unless you push high keys
and at that point its dungeon specific
azure flare
yo guys is there a way to track how often ive silenced in a dung on details?
coral ibex
probably by tracking garrote - silence debuff aura applications
wispy epoch
I’m sure there’s a custom string or option for it
swift dagger
!up
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balmy condor
sometimes I wonder how much the perception of m+ would change if like the iron wire damage reduction would show up on healing meters 
azure flare
yea i just found it on 'my spells'
but just show amount of hits and uptime of it
but its at least something I can go off on
arctic socket
upgrading items that give agi, is prio over jewerly yeah?
wispy epoch
57*5
azure flare
upgrading items that give agi, is prio over jewerly yeah?
generally yes
wispy epoch
There’s your silence
stray adder
sometimes I wonder how much the perception of m+ would change if like the iron w...
does anyone actually have a healing done meter as sin rogue
azure flare
das a lot of silences
coral ibex
nah, it isn't 57*5
arctic socket
prob gonna make my gloves 639. then prob spend the rest into belt?
balmy condor
does anyone actually have a healing done meter as sin rogue <:KEKW:7989128722890...
no but m+ players would coom themselves
coral ibex
you hit 57 mobs with that debuff
balmy condor
anything for a big bar
wispy epoch
prob gonna make my gloves 639. then prob spend the rest into belt?
I lost that cloak last week 😔
arctic socket
I lost that cloak last week 😔
just like got mine outta vault
it rolled speed
too
Be mad
wispy epoch
I got 6 coins
arctic socket
not picking up that crystal
arctic socket
is a war crime
coral ibex
arctic socket
i'm not mad, im glad for your drop friend
i really should
but like
i dont wanna go do my dungoens for crests ngl
but then i would be like 634
and i think that's decently high?
coral ibex
i'm only 631 
wispy epoch
That crystal is a dps loss
arctic socket
That crystal is a dps loss
that's crazy
crystal for me is simming WAY higher then mandate / sac
arctic socket
Yeah would think mandate would be higher ya know
but nah
crystal sims higher
both 626
Idk i got a hate love with spyglass
inland escarp
its trash on aoe
wispy epoch
Pretty sure fan of knives procs it
arctic socket
spyglass isn;t trash on aoe
cloud basin
Yeah run Mercurial egg instead
balmy condor
it stacks legit instantly
balmy condor
why
wispy epoch
Why is there this huge misconception about spyglass not proccing fully if it goes to some other target not your main
arctic socket
Well for one i refuses to drop
and spylgass doesn't sim as high as crystal does
for me
😦
balmy condor
Why is there this huge misconception about spyglass not proccing fully if it goe...
there's a big swing from m+ dentbrains to bitch about uptime on stuff for some reason
people be linking wild shit "oh look at the uptime of sac, I don't get more than 1 stack, sometimes a bit more"
like yeah
that's how the trinket works
???
"oh but my spyglass uptime is only 30%"
yeah
that's.... yes
the trinket isn't up 100% of the time
it's tuned to be up
at that level
cloud basin
id use spyglass over what i have, simply cuz i dislike one of my trinkets just cuz lol
balmy condor
and give more stats accordingly
wispy epoch
I wish I had skardyns so I could throw out transmitter but guh
balmy condor
but for some reason the new meta is to link some random fuckass uptime graph and go "UPTIME BAAAAAAAD?????????"
without actually understanding
legit anything
about the trinket
arctic socket
I wish I had skardyns so I could throw out transmitter but guh
myth track transmitter is
BIIIIIIIG
wispy epoch
I just hate having to hold it 30 seconds
Or close to
I usually hold it till the 5 seconds of dm coming up
Edge the puzzle
arctic socket
Yeah
wispy epoch
Then go
cloud basin
Honestly i think the only thing that adds like any dps, and its like maybe 2k, is transmitter
arctic socket
gotta prepop it
green nebula
W or L from my vault?
balmy condor
L
green nebula
F
arctic socket
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/j3VP4GuBkgWBUDUAmhBrrB oh wow, spyglass now sims higher
since i got the cloak?
Weird
balmy condor
wispy epoch
W or L from my vault?
Isn’t it bis for subtlety or something?
wispy epoch
Naw nvm
green nebula
I got a hero track mad queen's mandate as well it wasnt simming that good tho
arctic socket
yeah idk what that means tbh ik they all kinda the same thing dps wise
BUT
spyglass would make number go higher so
= better
right?
limber lion
No
limber lion
It means that if you run the sim again
It might show that spyglass is suddenly worse
Because it's within margin
languid thistle
u guys have talentloadouts for every dung?
arctic socket
Wait
limber lion
u guys have talentloadouts for every dung?
No
arctic socket
thats my old cloak
wispy epoch
I just wanna play spyglass and sacbrood
arctic socket
.-. wtg
wispy epoch
And not give a fuck anymore
wispy epoch
Spyglass is auto wym
balmy condor
yeah idk what that means tbh ik they all kinda the same thing dps wise
it means it's within margin of error
limber lion
So if you want to optimally play Spyglass, you would only target one guy and mouseover everything
Tab once and oops all stacks gone
cobalt sphinx
Uh oh
wispy epoch
So if you want to optimally play Spyglass, you would only target one guy and mou...
Today I learned…
🤷♂️
vast nymph
Opinion on my vault. Currently running 636 bracers with armor banding and 636 dagger with ascension. Main hand is 639 blood kissed. In my vault only viable options are myth NW dagger or heroic queen ring. Am I right in correct move would be take the dagger for two 639 wraps and craft another slot to 636 with double dawnthread.
wispy epoch
Everyone is gonna tell you to sim
marble hemlock
psure the pick is the ring
wispy epoch
I’d take heroic ring personally
marble hemlock
unless you have it
vast nymph
I don’t have the heroic ring, wasn’t sure if it was still a good grab at 626
marble hemlock
heroic queen ring will beat any 639 ring that aint queen
limber lion
So that's a big loss
vast nymph
Got it, I’ll take the ring.
marble hemlock
and its a very rare drop so odds of it showing up in vault again are pretty slim
with vault id generally recommend an approach of "whats the best mid/longterm upgrade"
grave fern
Hi all im new to the game well new ish, ive been trying out all classes and so far Rogue has me, im in assassination , any macros you all use? to make things easier ? and addons? for UI
marble hemlock
very rare neck or ring? pick it, unless the other option is myth track m+ trinket
hushed needle
This may be an absolutely brainddead question, but does indiscriminate carnage 'splash' your rupture and garrote to the same targets in AOE if using the empowered ability on your primary target multiple times or will it jump to targets that dont already have the bleeds each time?
vast nymph
Yeah makes sense, save a few crests too
coral ibex
This may be an absolutely brainddead question, but does indiscriminate carnage '...
!carnage
prisma monolithBOT
Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required
- The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
- You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets
Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.
It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.
hushed needle
or is it random
coral ibex
read this
wispy epoch
Tab once and oops all stacks gone
There’s no way this is right, I feel like I would’ve noticed
marble hemlock
This may be an absolutely brainddead question, but does indiscriminate carnage '...
it prioritizes targets that dont have the debuff yet
but your main target will always get it again cuz, well, you target that mob
balmy condor
Tab once and oops all stacks gone
I have never seen this happen
hushed needle
it prioritizes targets that dont have the debuff yet
Fuck yeah, thats actually huge, Ive been tab targetting around like a madman during my opener on every aoe pull. that will help make things wayyyy smoother
marble hemlock
like it says in the longass message
if you dont swap targets
you get 1 less
but that usually makes no difference
or like
a tiny difference
so for most people, just keeping one main target is good enough
hushed needle
yeah, ill take the much smoother rotation over the extra bleed any day tbh
marble hemlock
and then once youre more familiar with the spec, you can gain a little bit more by swapping to a target that doesnt yet have rupture/garrote when you open in aoe
marble hemlock
but imo for assa, should always go for fluidity and learning the ins and outs, before doing some more advanced stuff
balmy condor
what
limber lion
Idk man
balmy condor
I've never heard of that
wispy epoch
I’ll test it when I get outta bed
marble hemlock
casting rupture twice on the same target still gives you 5 ruptures, which is maxed scent of blood value, and thats the #1 goal when opening in AoE
proven basin
https://www.wowhead.com/item=219301/overclocked-gear-a-rang-launcher is this terrible? just got in vault
wispy epoch
Just fuckin annoying
marble hemlock
you dont lose stacks cuz it doesnt work like eye of command
wispy epoch
More like
blissful cosmos
how do i maintin twist the knife without procing my tea?
marble hemlock
but autoing the marked target can help you stack up faster (but it aint worth playing around that)
limber lion
Idk maybe I'm misremembering
cobalt sphinx
https://www.wowhead.com/item=219301/overclocked-gear-a-rang-launcher is this ter...
Ass
hushed needle
but imo for assa, should always go for fluidity and learning the ins and outs, b...
yeah ive recently swapped (last 10 or so days) from ww monk to assa rogue and have been enjoying it, monk is 631 and rogue is 623. averaging around 1.3m overall in 10's thus far, hoping to puuummmpppp when I get some more gear.
limber lion
But 30% uptime sounds sus
marble hemlock
if you swap away from the marked target from the trinket, you still hit it with fok/ct etc. so you still gain procs
wispy epoch
It’s 1 proc per minute on average
marble hemlock
ye
wispy epoch
So 30% is pretty good
wispy epoch
Poison also procs it
marble hemlock
can be more or less, since iirc the buff refreshs duration when it goes up in stacks
wispy epoch
Not just auto attacks
balmy condor
30% is good yeah
limber lion
Alright nevermind me then
marble hemlock
but every dot tick, caustic proc etc. can proc it
you may have it confused with eye of command from legion maybe
that one was rip when you swapped
limber lion
Just remember people avoiding it in bfa
balmy condor
it's 1ppm
limber lion
But guess it's fine
marble hemlock
coral+spyglass was big crit stonks
wispy epoch
Oh yeah
balmy condor
yeah spyglass was insanely bis in bfa
royal lantern
coral
marble hemlock
royal lantern
wispy epoch
Bonus rolled it too bc I wouldn’t have won that shit in lootmaster
marble hemlock
think the biggest L trinket in bfa were midas talisman and cannonball runner
i had a full bank tab filled with midas talismans cuz i kept every single one id get
blissful cosmos
is it imposible to have double twist the blades 100 percent uptime
marble hemlock
is it imposible to have double twist the blades 100 percent uptime
no, cause you start the pull with 0 envenom
limber lion
Idk I never played it. 8.3 was Plumage + Vita, 8.2 was Font + Coral, 8.1.5 Loaded Dice + Lurker, 8.1 Loaded Dice + whatever, 8.0 Darkmoon Deck + Galecaller's
blissful cosmos
in my opener it takes a while tog et to 2
marble hemlock
more realistically, youre probably gonna hit like ~150-170% envenom uptime
marble hemlock
ye you didnt play it in raid
but for m+ it was huge bis
galecaller kinda cringe in m+, and you didnt play exsang anyway
marble hemlock
ye, and encounter mechanics etc. can dip that against your favor too
limber lion
Actually yeah, I played Spyglass in mythic+
coral ibex
and it only has 2 stacks during cooldowns
coral ibex
it maintains 1 stack between kb/dm windows
wispy epoch
God remember the fucking undead troll fight where you’d just play 3 subtlety rogues
limber lion
It's only been 6 years
wispy epoch
And annihilate it
limber lion
And already demented
marble hemlock
was about to say
limber lion
gg
limber lion
Yeah pretty nuts
spice spire
fucking legion was almost a full decade
Old
royal lantern
and then it turned out bis for outlaw somehow
wasnt that the general rule of outlaw trinkets in bfa?
"yeha, this is absolute garbage and nobody wants it EXCEPT outlaw, its BiS for them"
coral ibex
legion is further back from now, than wotlk was from legion
marble hemlock
wasnt that the general rule of outlaw trinkets in bfa?
"yeha, this is absolute ...
thats cause outlaw continues to be a dogshit vers cantrip spec
coral ibex
mint urchin
I mean it doesn't help that outlaw has an awful mastery
marble hemlock
idk
its not that bad anymore honestly
theres classes with worse
and none of them stack vers
problem is that outlaw gets like 50% crit for free
and haste doesnt do shit for rogue except assa
so
theres not much left
royal lantern
thats cause outlaw continues to be a dogshit vers cantrip spec
hey hey, you actially need X% haste now and THEN turn into a dogshit vers cantrip spec again
mint urchin
Its just a boring mastery imo
mint urchin
But I have to admit stacking vers feels nice for high keys
marble hemlock
our mastery is just vers but different flavor
so is subs
or firemage
or shadowpriest
its all just "x part of your kit deals y% more damage"
sick
coral ibex
outlaw would need to care a lot more about getting more weapon hits for their mastery to be good right?
isnt that what main gauche is
just a chance for another weapon swing
mint urchin
Yeah it's an chance to proc offhand
marble hemlock
its literally just "you deal x% more damage for each of these dots on the target" (you want all 3 on each target)
main gauche is normalized
so doesnt matter what your weapon speed is
that you wear
mint urchin
Yeah but it comes to esp early season resource management of DP uptime which is why I said some gameplay
marble hemlock
btu yes, in like omega high haste environments, mastery makes a decent chunk of outlaws damage
mint urchin
Granted end of an xpac it's so high it doesn't matter
marble hemlock
(i also thought shadow mastery was still just % shadow damage)
(but that spec changes more of then than i change underwear)
royal lantern
holy has the most "interesting" priest mastery, cus it works with trinkets
mint urchin
Shadow changes like literally every patch lol
royal lantern
thats it lmao
blissful cosmos
bro i feel so nub not knowing twist the knife changed the way i do evenom
mint urchin
Yeah but with range and no DMG fall off
slim pebble
@spice spire have you checked vault
mint urchin
I mean look how sad outlaw was the start of this season with the range reduction
royal lantern
bro i feel so nub not knowing twist the knife changed the way i do evenom
i mean, it barely does
like, you can just slam envenom now without thinking about anything and ttk makes that better
blissful cosmos
witht he new raid build is there any way i change my gamplay bsides nopw i need to make sure i have 2 stacks of evenom
slim pebble
I have vault in 5 hours
I asked Luna to give me a reading on your vault and I’m sorry to say this was her reaction
blissful cosmos
if i just slam it tho i proc tea when i dont want too
royal lantern
reminder that all of the "big things to look out for" like maxmimizing envenom uptime/tea usage/shiv usage
are minor minmaxing
blissful cosmos
i think 2 stacks of evenom is a bit more tho
to always have that up makes a differents i think
spice spire
I asked Luna to give me a reading on your vault and I’m sorry to say this was he...
I’m cooked
royal lantern
if i just slam it tho i proc tea when i dont want too
tea auto usage and 100% perfect manual tea usage are ~1% btw
spice spire
I asked Luna to give me a reading on your vault and I’m sorry to say this was he...
But also @keen spruce
mint urchin
tea auto usage and 100% perfect manual tea usage are ~1% btw
Yes but the mental self high five for doing it is priceless
royal lantern
i mean, during DM you have endless energy anyway
and tea overlaps with kingsbane by default
so "no tea during cds" and "no energy during cds" is no thing
runic hinge
if you macro tea to shiv you'll have a tea for every kb
quiet junco
I've been playing with sanguine blades over sudden demise... it sims higher and feels like I'm cranking but I haven't played sudden demise much. Any opinions?
marble hemlock
i think almond and pistaccio ice cream are the best icecreams, and no other flavor even comes close
royal lantern
i think almond and pistaccio ice cream are the best icecreams, and no other flav...
good taste
runic hinge
Pistachio ice cream is top tier for sure
jovial idol
i think almond and pistaccio ice cream are the best icecreams, and no other flav...
You like the taste of nuts in your mouth
Almond and pistaccio
balmy condor
can confirm seli loves the taste of nuts in his mouth
pale socket
marble hemlock
can confirm seli loves the taste of nuts in his mouth
ye
brazil nuts are great
@bleak sky
jovial idol
I feel there's a tranny joke there somewhere
marble hemlock
lets not use that term, shall we?
hot jay
anyone know where I can find the raidbots advanced command to adjust ovinax egg stacks in my sim?
It's not easy to find relevant google results for this
if it defaults to 20/10 I don't see that as very realistic for me as a player
so I want to adjust it
balmy condor
thewarwithin.ovinaxs_mercurial_egg_initial_primary_stacks
thewarwithin.ovinaxs_mercurial_egg_desired_primary_stacks
they both default to 20
vocal cypress
any1 know how i can sim for which gems i should run im confused af 😂
especially with helm gem
hot jay
thanks, can I adjust them by adding a number at the end? like _30
marble hemlock
they both default to 20
imo initial should default to 30, cuz no one in their right mind keeps moving during every pull timer to go down to 20
balmy condor
any1 know how i can sim for which gems i should run im confused af 😂
the crit blashphemite, one of each color, then crit/mast
balmy condor
thanks, can I adjust them by adding a number at the end? like _30
they're variables, so =30
hot jay
gotcha
bleak sky
<@235673244777185280>
they're very salty rn (it's hot)
vocal cypress
the crit blashphemite, one of each color, then crit/mast
1 of each solid colour or have them split crit?
vocal cypress
ty
marble hemlock
they're very salty rn (it's hot)
youre hot
keen spruce
But also <@119274470241206273>
trail flax
Would a 639 sacbrood be better than a 626 crystak paired with batol on use? I dont have the batol trinket yet to too gear aim it
Sim it
cobalt sphinx
i think gear compare works, you can manually input the items
it's probably a lil better on st, maybe even on multitarget
it does sound like a question for simulationcraft though
ripe orbit
!wa