Bro is griefing himself and you at the same time 
#assassination
spice surge
kindred hinge
Does it matter though. Most keys are not timed due to DPS.m but due to excecussion Who pad who funnel doesn't matter in the end if everything die
shy marten
Bro is griefing himself and you at the same time <a:Classic:1115740226476855448>
but he says his overall is really big
which it is
but it's not ethical
honest oxide
Does it matter though. Most keys are not timed due to DPS.m but due to excecussi...
big keys are def timed by dps
shy marten
my dudge also sometimes play fire mage so what else could you expect from him
shy marten
Boomys are not human beings
based
wise whale
Ravenous frenzy
shy marten
that is so funny
my favourite rav frenzy moment is when yoda held it for 6 minutes in MDI
wise whale
Like bro stun yourself irl already
coral ibex
are you implying boomys were people prior to SL
kindred hinge
big keys are def timed by dps
Most people will never see them. And I tried a few 14/15, DPS was never the issue. Don't take WF as reference when it affect 60 people
coral ibex
bc they weren’t
wise whale
NO SIR
coral ibex
boomys have been subhuman since vanilla release and i will hear no objections
wise whale
Dogform irl
kindred hinge
If DPS matter it is to compensate fails generally with maybe NW exception on last two boss
shy marten
21 SANGUINE 乐观深度 CLEAN DEATHLESS SPEEDRUN 清洁无死速度运行 DIAMOND HAND YODA 钻石手尤达 6 MINUTE HOLD RAVENOUS 6分钟保持贪婪 TARVOLD MIA 老板消失
one of the best copy pastas
wise whale
Hahahahahaha
quaint depot
The difference between the worst and best DPS is 1.3m(auggy) overall to 1.7m overall (enhance) i doubt your specs DPS is ever the issue for sure
shy marten
huh
honest oxide
Most people will never see them. And I tried a few 14/15, DPS was never the issu...
im mostly talking about these dogshit enh who somehow do 1.2 mil overall in my 13s
and we dont time cuz of it lmao
shy marten
are we getting trolled by louisiana
quaint depot
Thats the average dps of the specs from level 7 to 18 keys
wise whale
Comparing dps between different keys is always sus
quaint depot
Its an average Frosst
kindred hinge
im mostly talking about these dogshit enh who somehow do 1.2 mil overall in my 1...
It's an execution /skill issue not an overall issue.
quaint depot
its not comparing a 7 to an 18
its comapring all keys in a range to eachother
combined and averaged
sleek spear
what are the two BIS trinkets for assas rogue?
quaint depot
It still shows an accurate depiction of the damage? Enhance is in first, or is that wrong?
shy marten
show me you dont know statistics without telling me
kindred hinge
Skardin and w/e you have in bag that sim highest
quaint depot
Im saying that utility is a large portion of why meta classes are meta
kindred hinge
Can be Knife from delve can Arakara can be dawnbreaker trinket
spice surge
Im saying that utility is a large portion of why meta classes are meta
Definitely aint
shy marten
utility is nearly never the reason they are meta
honest oxide
It's an execution /skill issue not an overall issue.
the small overall is the reason the keys are bricked, so damage is def the problem
sleek spear
Can be Knife from delve can Arakara can be dawnbreaker trinket
ok thank u, how about dead eyed spyglass?
shy marten
you can be the most god awful utility spec in the game as long as you do damage people will find a way to bring you
kindred hinge
ok thank u, how about dead eyed spyglass?
Also good just sim what you have
wise whale
ok thank u, how about dead eyed spyglass?
That works too
spice surge
Nobody played prot paladin
shy marten
look at surv in season 3/4 of SL
spice surge
Then it got buffed to do more damage than any other spec and got tankier
shy marten
the most garbage useless utility spec
spice surge
Suddenly everybody plays it
honest oxide
im not talking about trying to 100 parese in every key just saying in general if ppl dont do decent dam the keys wont time
shy marten
it just does a lot of dam
wise whale
Is this week catch orbs or cc for keys?
shy marten
a big part of doing dam is also the tank pulling big
and not dying to not doing stops
kindred hinge
the small overall is the reason the keys are bricked, so damage is def the probl...
How many deaths due to fails, how many death due to your heal not having anymore cd because the DPS is low?
I bet you the first is much more prevalent than the second.
We were doing 12 and 13 at 615-620 ilvl, the timers DPS wise is very permissive' execution much less
And anyway comp /route/ random event will impact massively your overall it is not a good representation of what happened in a key
honest oxide
doing 1.2 mil on details in a 13 is horrible, think there were 2 deaths that key and one was him
spice surge
It is a bit of both ye, more dps allows you to do safer pulls
Or bigger pulls before your tank cds run out
honest oxide
that guy was just bad i think
kindred hinge
doing 1.2 mil on details in a 13 is horrible, think there were 2 deaths that key...
Again a skill issue then than a DPS issue. The question is how low the two other were to not compensate that
quaint depot
no spec does 1.2m overall in a 13 with appropriate gear afaik
honest oxide
that enh i ran with did
patent elk
prot paladin does more than 1.2m
quaint depot
Yeah, i mean bad players or when someoen performs poorly in a key
lethal turtle
We love fotm
kindred hinge
You need to dissociate key not being timed on Dps with decent people running it and not timing because you have someone afk in key.
First version of HOA was a tigh timer for example that needed DPS optimization to time. No key here is the same with permissive' timer
quaint depot
I thought the overall point above was that typically the damage isnt the reason you fail keys, in other words, if you have an assa rogue or unholy DK, rather than a Enhance, its probably not going to be the reason that you dont time the key. Sure when you are pushing 16-18 keys or something, i can for sure see that being the case. But thats basically irrelevant to everyone, theres like 100 people pushing that content and they have nearly every class max geared and ready to play if it becomes the meta
shy marten
i agree with this point above
reef flare
in this video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1gICHJSnG4 at min 2.30 casual using vanish when he got improved garrote and everything on boss? do you know why?
honest oxide
You need to dissociate key not being timed on Dps with decent people running it ...
this isnt my first season doing keys, i know dying is more of an issue than low dps but low dps will also brick a key
shy marten
low dps rarely ever bricks a key dude
kindred hinge
Having anyone afk in key will brick a key but that not the point I am making
shy marten
in normal keys tanks can just put on active mit and they will just live
they dont need to press CDs at all
quaint depot
Ive seen more NWs get bricked by people forming a meta comp and then the Auggy not having unravel than i can count
kindred hinge
This season is not a dps check' as long as you play and the key die who did the biggest overall do not matter
shy marten
a big part of failing a DPS check in high keys is that trash needs to die before the tank dies
shy marten
but tanks dont need to rotate CDs in low keys they will just live with their basic mitigation
honest oxide
the tanks ive run with have been pretty good tbh
good sized pulls for the most part
spice spire
in this video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1gICHJSnG4 at min 2.30 casual u...
Master assassin for his kb
kindred hinge
but tanks dont need to rotate CDs in low keys they will just live with their bas...
In 10s they need though. Got one shot enough on my tank to stop being lazy
shy marten
In 10s they need though. Got one shot enough on my tank to stop being lazy
no they dont if you're 630 ilvl
quaint depot
Yeah at like 610 ilvl they probably do but yeah not at 630 lol
shy marten
if you need your CDs to live on a 10 then how are you supposed to live on a +17 or +18 lol
quaint depot
I timed all 10s like week 2 and everyone in the groups were always like 608-612 ilvl at highest
and tehres been a ton of nerfs since then
still stone
okay go on prot pally go to a 10 dawnbreaker and stand there. dont press anything other than sotr
shy marten
well yeah, when you're doing actually hard keys for your ilvl you need to have hands and your monitor plugged in
quaint depot
I mean
its a tank buyster that deals 10 million damage or more on a 10
of course lmao
shy marten
lol you're taking what i say way too literally
spice spire
Why is everyone egoing their m+ mental Illinois
lethal turtle
gonna have makeitquake send cody a photo
wispy marsh
Just need Skardyn's and I'll have the Trifecta of M+ trinkets.
spice spire
gonna have makeitquake send cody a photo
Wtf is Cody
kindred hinge
Of course my tank is 620 not 630 but first pack of boralus or SV with passive mitig? Yep tried enough that it is one shot.
quaint depot
like clearly you have to press a defensive on the ability thats literally existing to murder the tank in one hit if they dont, but generally speaking it feels liek tanks dont start randomly dying in my experience until 12s and 13s
still stone
nah i was just stating 1 specific situation lol. for the real pug experience
quaint depot
Yeah i mean i had that exact thing happen in a DB 13
prime hull
Is it better to get 2 sets of CDs off off (one without lust, one in execute + pot), versus one set of CDs (in execute + lust + pot)?
In general
quaint depot
tank took 15 mil damage to beam and died
spice spire
This is the only photo I’m sending
shy marten
pugging is so terrible
shy marten
its such a bad experience
honest oxide
in 13s if tanks misuse a defensive they might die due to not having one up when they need it
thats why they are dying
spice spire
Send the other side
Nah shmeat costs extra king
mint urchin
More CD's used is better unless there is a damage amp or something
quaint depot
but overall ive been enjoying pugging
shy marten
i've been slowly collecting people on my friends list for the past like 5 seasons
kindred hinge
Is it better to get 2 sets of CDs off off (one without lust, one in execute + po...
Play on cd is a good rule of thumb that need to be caveated by the situation
spice spire
i've been slowly collecting people on my friends list for the past like 5 season...
The infinity seasons, damn.
shy marten
that way i can play with people i know, people that if i invest time and energy into wont be wasted and lost to the pug world
quaint depot
This is my first season doing PvE in retail since legion so dont have that luxury yet, but ive got several people from pushing keys this season now that i link up with from time to time
prime hull
Play on cd is a good rule of thumb that need to be caveated by the situation
Yeah I'm asking in general but specifically for ansurak in p3 I guess.
shy marten
This is my first season doing PvE in retail since legion so dont have that luxur...
definitely try to play with people you've played with before more
royal lantern
This is the only photo I’m sending
🧀
blazing pumice
3 bis pieces 😦
shy marten
very rough to keep pugging forever
quaint depot
definitely try to play with people you've played with before more
I have a few times, and oddly enough i always push score when i dont and pug instead
lethal turtle
3 bis pieces 😦
rough choice
quaint depot
like when i was timing my first 13s, i started pugging and timed like 4 in a row
shy marten
I have a few times, and oddly enough i always push score when i dont and pug ins...
you might've found some people that suck
find some new ones
quaint depot
Still have 3 more 13s to time :/ was kinda burnt out of it for a bit last week
shy marten
a big thing to look for is attitude
shy marten
i've only got 1 13 timed cos i haven't had much time to play this game
marsh falcon
Still have 3 more 13s to time :/ was kinda burnt out of it for a bit last week
13 so hard
shy marten
i was 617 ilvl last week 
quaint depot
my main is heals, I havent tried a ton of 13s on my Rogue, im on 12s on him
marsh falcon
you really have to drop cheat death for elusiveness
honest oxide
you really have to drop cheat death for elusiveness
yea
shy marten
elusiveness is great i love it
marsh falcon
idk if I am going to pump up my vers too
shy marten
i love pressing feint on every mechanic
still stone
i timed a 14 2 weeks ago and stopped playing the game
lethal turtle
based
marsh falcon
because 12 can deal with low vers and cheat death but not 13
shy marten
i love pressing feint on CD on siege of boralus last boss
still stone
now i do 10s on 570 alts because its fun
quaint depot
you basically beat the game why not
quaint depot
i hit 3k on my Rsham and was pretty happy with that even if i dont push sccore anymrope
marsh falcon
cloaked one dot
quaint depot
first time ever doing M+ and hit 3k, ill take it
marsh falcon
and healer says rogue not using defensives
shy marten
feinting everything
do you know that you have to pre-feint
marsh falcon
no sir i feint after the damage happens
shy marten
it doesn't work like that
shy marten
you can't DR something that's mid air
marsh falcon
time warp
marsh falcon
ofc i feint pre dmg event lol
wise whale
Ur getting trolled frosst
quaint depot
Im really enjoyinmg the vanish 30 percent heal on the rogue tho
wise whale
Yea
quaint depot
feels real nice when you need it
wise whale
Lmao time warp gave it away
feral wasp
how do i survive on other classes without feint
wind pendant
You don't
quaint depot
hes talking about invisibility
still stone
veteran of the third war
wise whale
Bubble
wise whale
How much energy did that cost
wise whale
I think feint is 25
shy marten
how do i survive on other classes without feint
which spec
feral wasp
i didn't play a dk but defensives of the other classes feel like poo poo water
shy marten
they all have good ways
quaint depot
Idk what it is but rogues just take crazy damage
kindred hinge
Because people don't press feint
quaint depot
whenever i have to heal a rogue in high keys its like they take 30 percent more damage than everyone else from every ability
shy marten
yeah DK tankiness is unparalleled
wise whale
17 feints is 425 energy
wise whale
Wow
mint urchin
Assa takes big dam, you can always go Outlaw which plays full vers and ignore half the games mechanics
shy marten
17 feints is 425 energy
that's 425 energy that i spent alive
wise whale
Well obviously
shy marten
wise whale
Just crazy when you think about it
quaint depot
I dont mean me, i use my defensives and heal myself a lot and use potions , but on my main when im healing i mean, i always dread healing assa rogues lol
feral wasp
i feel like i am at the point of no return to swap specs
shy marten
yeah
proud dust
After starting to alt warrior, rogue defensives feel soooo good to press
shy marten
I dont mean me, i use my defensives and heal myself a lot and use potions , but ...
i think it's just you need to actively press your defensives
healing mages is terrible when the mage is terrible
they just die
shy marten
well i guess it's not terrible if they're just on the floor to every mechanic
mint urchin
The only class that doesnt die when terrible player is dk
because they just ignore dam
shy marten
yep
wise whale
Ret
mint urchin
even ret can flop over
shy marten
they're extremely tanky passively
shy marten
wotn is extremely broken
quaint depot
rets die because they run in and huge dam aoe stuff before tank gets aggro
shy marten
but dk even has passive auto aoe life steal
permafrost?
kindred hinge
Wotn is usually only played in raid though
mint urchin
thats because ret opener is 3 buttons
wise whale
No
shy marten
that's not lifesteal that's just a shield
wise whale
Blood draw
mint urchin
No the blood draw
shy marten
blood draw is not very good
wise whale
Heals for poopoo
wise whale
Your point is wotn
feral wasp
I always thought enhancement has a lot of keybinds, it is less then my assa rogue, is this normal?
wise whale
I miss pre-amsing everything
shy marten
kindred hinge
Ass doesn't have that high number of bind though
mint urchin
plus deathstrike
shy marten
there's a few others but these are the main 2
feral wasp
Yes it doesn't but half of my bars are empty as storm enha
wise whale
They don't even need to dstrike
quaint depot
Yeah ideally one of their other defensives handles it i suppose
wise whale
Ams is just insane
wise whale
True
mint urchin
Dont they still get free DS procs tho?
broken coyote
Just looted Mythic Ovi'nax's Mercurial Egg out of vault. Does anyone know what the ideal stacks are to freeze when im sending cooldowns? @balmy condor maybe?
wise whale
Dont they still get free DS procs tho?
No
wise whale
Not in keys
wise whale
Guess I've never had to click it lmao
shy marten
i dont even have an evoker!!
wise whale
Shhhhh it's okay
quaint depot
I imagine most DKs are pressing death strike atleast a few times in high keys
theres just so much damage going out in 13s and up
gusty marten
do you garrote/rupture until every mob of the pack is affected or start envenoming when energy regen is fine?
shy marten
Dont they still get free DS procs tho?
it's mostly at the end of packs that they get it and it's pretty chill to press death strike when things are dying
onyx gyro
can you get parried if behind the target?
quaint depot
or just on like unavoidable aoe on bosses and stuff i assume
wispy epoch
can you get parried if behind the target?
Yes
wise whale
I imagine most DKs are pressing death strike atleast a few times in high keys
After a big damage event only usually
wispy epoch
do you garrote/rupture until every mob of the pack is affected or start envenomi...
No
quaint depot
Yeah, thats what i mean of course
shy marten
I imagine most DKs are pressing death strike atleast a few times in high keys
i casted my death strike 9 times in my 13
wise whale
Since it scales off a percent of damage taken within the last x seconds
quaint depot
i casted my death strike 9 times in my 13
gamer, as a healer i appreciate that lul
shy marten
i mean if my hp drops under 40% that's unacceptable for me
cos if i go down under 40% hp on a 13 i will shrimply die on a 17
quaint depot
Yeah i mean in a 13 theres just a ton of abilities that just drop everfyones health below 40 lol
shy marten
and that sounds like a skill issue
wise whale
The best is when the other dps dies and you're the only brez and breath is going
hehehehe gg buddy
shy marten
The best is when the other dps dies and you're the only brez and breath is going
you AMS, walk into the closest ability and bres
wide dome
Anyone tell me if these are proper M+ Talents? Thanks.
quaint depot
meh i feel like everyone should have a few jumper cables on them
shy marten
meh i feel like everyone should have a few jumper cables on them
only if you're pushing i think
quaint depot
i need a weak aura that tells me if people have algari healing potions in their bags
so ican kick them if they dont
shy marten
i aint gonna be asking this 590 rat in my key to have jumper cables
quaint depot
oh yeah for sure lol
mint urchin
it's mostly at the end of packs that they get it and it's pretty chill to press ...
Yeah my only point is that its free def resources compared to most classes that have to sacrifice for it, I.E. energy or def cds
shy marten
i mean 2m per hit not too bad
quaint depot
I mean when you are pushing for your current score / the groups score
wise whale
Cables are a lil sus tho they bring you back around 30 something % iirc
shy marten
Yeah my only point is that its free def resources compared to most classes that...
it's a global
and it only procs at the end of packs
you dont get it midway through a fight
shy marten
it does negative damage
mint urchin
There are plenty of examples, like mage barrier thats a global that does no dam
shy marten
DS does 62k damage compared to frost strike that does 325k damage
mint urchin
IMO its still winning even for some dam
quaint depot
Yeah i mean of course. really being dead is way less damage than death strike
is the way i see it
umbral sierra
if i do a full clear of the raid on normal on one toon does that mean i cant get more nerub finerys for the rest of the week even if im not at cap?
shy marten
Yeah i mean of course. really being dead is way less damage than death strike
that's also true
quaint depot
13 SV has been a tough one for me on the Rsham
shy marten
effective death strikes
quaint depot
Eh normally Skarmorak, but sometimes just random tank dying to trash type stuff
wise whale
Oof
quaint depot
Theres been multiple ive done and we got past Skarm pretty fine then tank falls over a few times on trash
shy marten
tanks usually dont randomly die
lucid silo
i've decided that double vanish is pretty bis
shy marten
tanks die on track packs that do things to them
it's not obvious which ones those are but you should know as a healer
quaint depot
Oh I do
strange python
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Lz4rcZTNhMYybGdx#fight=9&type=damage-done can someone review my parse? this is bloodbound heroic, wondering what i could be doing better, as i parse 51% for my ilvl
shy marten
yeah so i think it's not random
quaint depot
I just mean its not those packs that theyve died on lol
shy marten
to me your job as a healer in pugs is just to fix mistakes
it's your ability to fix mistakes vs their ability to make mistakes
shy marten
yeah can be hard
quaint depot
Theres not a ton of ways to save a tank as Rsham outside of Stops / kicks/ Spirit link, Earth ele
quaint depot
i was lumping that stuff in with stops
shy marten
you did say stops i just dind't read it
shy marten
quaint depot
oh lol
shy marten
well that's still quite a few things
shy marten
yeah it's hard
shy marten
13s shouldn't be hard but it's hard when ur team sucks and aren't coordinated
quaint depot
One of the packs they died on was the double pull after first boss
i remember that for sure
quaint depot
its the despoiler yeah
quaint depot
DH
shy marten
that's a scary one to aggro and pull
quaint depot
the person i run with normally is a DH tank
proper seal
what's the range of caustic spatter?
quaint depot
yeah i mean he doesnt have meta up likely becausee he has to use it on the boss
wise whale
Idk I mean if with spikes and everything else it's doable but that shits gotta die asap
shy marten
they probably live with just brand and spikes
quaint depot
Yeah, could have been damage and stuff too lacking for sure, its hard to think back and remember
shy marten
but it's also important to stun all the other mobs that slam the tank hard
there's 4 speakers and 2 forgehands in that pull
also if your team isn't decursing you'll be forced to heal the team a lot more
and unlike disc you have to choose a bit more who to heal
quaint depot
Yeah, I always invite a 2nd decurse to SV
wise whale
Yeah idk id wait for meta if the groups not on their shit
shy marten
Yeah, I always invite a 2nd decurse to SV
that doesn't mean they press decurse but still
still a good idea
quaint depot
Also during the despoiler aoe, i cant really stop to target heal someone with teh curse, and half the time i cant even use a global to decurse
everyuone will just die
quaint depot
Yeah, I mean with AMS and such i imagine they shouldnt take much damage. I forget how AMS works in retail, I know it had a cap on how much it prevented in the past
quaint depot
Does it remove curses when they are speccd into it being able to remove stuff? or just magic effects?
shy marten
you dont talent that
wise whale
Some do
shy marten
you can pre-cast AMS before any magic debuff happens and you wont get. it
torpid relic
any ST imrpovement tips ?
wise whale
But extends it's cd
torpid relic
also vanish usage in dungeon
wise whale
Pre ams is the way
quaint depot
oh wow it extends the CD, yeah that sucks
quaint depot
Yeah, I mean obviously on the despoiler aoe everyone should be using a defensive generally anyways
wise whale
Amz there 100%
shy marten
i mean i dont think you should have more than 2 of the AOE
im really not a big fan of pressing AMZ
shy marten
because most of the time you'd live without it and people dont stack up for it anyway
i use it more as an external
shy marten
you can move SLT
wise whale
I mean yeah but
shy marten
also the instant first tick of SLT is very important
the 10% DR is kinda beans anyway
quaint depot
Okay the last SV 13 I did it looks like people just died to dumb ish lol, Standing in swirlies, somehow getting hit by the cube on the machinist, and the lava orb, etc lmao
shy marten
you dont press SLT for the DR most of the time
shy marten
Okay the last SV 13 I did it looks like people just died to dumb ish lol, Standi...
they dont deserve to time the key when they do that
shy marten
it does
cobalt sphinx
Do more damage and time it anyway
shy marten
be a priest and grip them!
if they can't dodge swirlies i doubt they can do more damage
wise whale
I'll be a priest and grip people into your amz frosst
cobalt sphinx
We timed gb13 pretty comfortably with a full wipe
quaint depot
I mean it happens, sometimes you stand in shit or do something dumb, ill get a good one where we all crushin sooner or later
wise whale
Shame on you for not pressing amz
shy marten
i only press amz when it's called for or when i need it for myself
cobalt sphinx
Lol
cobalt sphinx
That’s ridiculous
quaint depot
theres certain bosses where it feels required for people to be using abilities like AMZ or its just unhealable ngl lmao
shy marten
theres certain bosses where it feels required for people to be using abilities l...
can't be true on a 13 tho
wise whale
Are we talking about other classes
Ctl alt del
shy marten
AMZ lets you live keys 2 levels higher, you should be able to do them without AMZ on lower keys
cobalt sphinx
I only use my group cooldown when i need it for myself (my class is already invincible)
wise whale
Should and will are different tho
quaint depot
Yeah true, but there parts where 2 unavoidable massive aoe damage effects overlap on bosses and such
like 2nd DB boss
cobalt sphinx
AMZ lets you live keys 2 levels higher, you should be able to do them without AM...
Is this supposed to be a joke
quaint depot
Theres some point in that fight where the orb and aoe damage always overlap
shy marten
Is this supposed to be a joke
no
shy marten
Theres some point in that fight where the orb and aoe damage always overlap
yeah i think it's every 4th orb
cobalt sphinx
Some all-time waffling coming out of this guy
wise whale
I actually love waffles
nova aspen
how r u guys still talking about this 
shy marten
but like, just press a strong DR on the overlaps
spice spire
Bro idk
shy marten
it's not that bad on a 13
quaint depot
True
I just dont know why you not press something liek AMZ there if you were playing a DK
lol
shy marten
I just dont know why you not press something liek AMZ there if you were playing ...
i do on that boss lol
i mean i press it when it's called for
quaint depot
fair okay lol
shy marten
and i play with voice so people do call for it
it's not like im not pressing it for fun if that were the case i wouldn't talent it
quaint depot
Yeah mass barrier/ amz/ etc can be pretty damn huge, even in 13 keys, which i know arent like 16-18s, but they are not easy
tawny geyser
How do we play Silken, do we hold CD for Damage Amp or send all on cooldown?
And if we are going into DM + KB on Dmg Amp, are we doing it just before the charge or after charge?
shy marten
it's not 16-18s but the players are so much worse that it's similarly difficult
quaint depot
i mean 13s are like in the top 0.5 percent to 1 percent
Wow yeah, top 1 percent is 2909 rating, 13s across the board is around 3050 rating
shy marten
also i was playing fdk frost assa in my 13 dawn
so we are very unkillable specs
i did press amz on that but it wasn't even on the overlap
mint urchin
My no voice full pug 12's have been a challenge so I can see how thats top 1% lmao
quaint depot
Yeah i mean its been a strug with near full pugs for me too lmao
but its fun and feels so nice when you time them
dopamine rush
cobalt sphinx
i'd be interested to see a distribution graph
it feels like you can 4-man 11s but 12s are actually difficult
we almost +2ed a 10 with 4 people
mint urchin
Well what with the affix change 12's are essentially what would have been a 13 or 14 right?
So its just a bit of a random spike
mint urchin
You also lose the kiss part of the other affix tho
shy marten
it's more annoying tha beneficial to me
i hate it when i go into a key and that affix happens
mint urchin
For the most part, yea, but a well timed 20% vers buff is def noticed
mint urchin
Yeaaaaa
My favorite was the shield mob spawning on last boss in mists aoe phase when it had buffed hp
Just instant wipe
cerulean nest
Im sure people have been talking about it but any recommendations for root breaks in p1 ansurek now with the nerfs? starting prog this week
vast patio
Had a fun one when it spawned when the tank took off on dawnbreaker 1st boss, so it evaded but ofc still buffed the boss 🙂
woeful spoke
Guys I know after the changes we started playing subterfuge. When do we run Iron Wire/Sanguine Blades. And on which dungeons do you like the 2 Vanish over Lethality?
cobalt sphinx
Casualaddict said in his discord that he's pretty sure you can drop IW on dawnbreaker, threads, boralus, and mists
i'd say it's still good in db
hmmm maybe
but it's up to you
cobalt sphinx
idk i think he swaps it up, double vanish seems like something strat specific, i like it in gb so you have more vanishes to cover all the casters
there are like 10 packs of multiple casters in gb
fast valley
Random question, there’s no need to press fan of knives in pure ST rotation right?
cobalt sphinx
also if you forgot to bring a main character enhance, you could run double vanish to aoe adds on avanoxx lmao
shy marten
there's clear the witness procs
fast valley
I see. Thank you 🙂
vast patio
I'm forcing myself to learn without bonespike. But man, bonespike makes the opener so much smoother lol
shy marten
i thought you just press an extra fok after your first rupture
marsh falcon
after you apply dm
wispy marsh
Let's gooooooo. Very late but first legendary I've done. Pretty stoked.
cobalt sphinx
yeah but you don't get the juicy audio and visual effect of bonerspikes
that's the biggest loss
cobalt sphinx
the audio in the game is fun
cobalt sphinx
yeah if you turn your sound off you can put on some shitty 300 bpm eurobeat and it feels like you're doing more damage
marsh falcon
fr fr
rotund oak
Let's gooooooo. Very late but first legendary I've done. Pretty stoked.
never too late,congrats on ur fangs
wispy epoch
Sound effects are awful
eager gazelle
they made spine of deathwing easier right? used to be such a pain to stand there and gather bloods
ashen portal
Hey, anyone here with a minute of time? Im a 616ilvl Assasination rouge and with 626x2 Reg. daggers and simcraft shows 682k dps and im not getting much more, would like someone to check my gear/stats/talents etc. ty
shy marten
you could link the sim
quaint depot
Hey, anyone here with a minute of time? Im a 616ilvl Assasination rouge and with...
I assume this is in relevance to raid/ single target?
ashen portal
yes
shy marten
is double vanish really the play for ST
ashen portal
wrong talents,mb one sec
shy marten
or is that subterfuge
eager gazelle
for starters you are running an aoe build in a ST sim
ashen portal
yea yea mb one sec
ashen portal
yea but
shy marten
stacked sims aren't great but it does give the perspective that frost in general will sim much higher when comparing cross-class/spec
waxen oyster
no on use trinket
ashen portal
i do have the egg
potent lance
do realise that frost is like, omega strong in ST
you playing classic wow too?
ashen portal
wait egg is in there
shy marten
no?
graceful solstice
Egg isn’t really an on use
potent lance
hmmm i think iknow you from somewhere
solar lynx
how good are the wings REALLY
shy marten
probably just other wow servers im in a few of them
waxen oyster
what flavor wings
silk bane
i do have the egg
eggs not the important one its the on use thats importnat. also u have 0 raid buffs / consumables/ and youre in aoe build which does quite a bit less ST
solar lynx
hot honey rub
potent lance
ah kk
lucid silo
is wowhead down
waxen oyster
solid flavor
arctic socket
600k sim is like me auto attacking
lucid silo
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
shy marten
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sa8WuyigZnEXkm3Hrzk4ha
show your mage's sim as well
ashen portal
show your mage's sim as well
would have to relog
eager gazelle
dont make fun of the poors
cobalt sphinx
Unbuffed target dummy sims are usually pretty ugly
shy marten
would have to relog
doesn't take long
upper oak
!weakauras
shy marten
ST sims play https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/deathstalker/DANFVVFBRRUVZihBCVAMVVRQUGYUURoVBUEFVVUCEA
eager gazelle
parry is so fucked on queen
silk bane
okay look now
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hWeVAbRmUCwz8jUPL5grsL
this is your st sim at 617 with bad trinket/enchants wit raid buffs.
eager gazelle
her dumptruck ass keeps parrying me
silk bane
idk seems fine
gloomy heart
So mad rn bc of that
waxen oyster
you kind of wasted gildeds
rotund oak
they made spine of deathwing easier right? used to be such a pain to stand there...
I think after the epic thunderfury grind in original vanilla fangs were just timegated leggos.U just killed bosses and upgraded/awakened their stages.Epic questline though,have to admit.
rotund oak
plus i didnt rly like their appearance
cerulean maple
we play caustic on ansurek right for the ad intermission?
ashen portal
doesn't take long
doing it rn
waxen oyster
we play caustic on ansurek right for the ad intermission?
and silken tombs
cerulean maple
our raid has a LOT of cleave already so i wonder if its worth the extr admg on boss to run internal bleeding
ahh true good point
ashen portal
would have been better just to hold for a 636 mh
got one to 626,dropped another one, valors only.
now got lvl 3 enchant.
egg or twing fang?
ashen portal
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hWeVAbRmUCwz8jUPL5grsL
this is your st si...
that is more like it
eager gazelle
egg or twing fang?
get to the grim batol mines, get a skardyns
lucid silo
thats a good vault for once boys
shy marten
ST sims play https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/deathstalke...
@ashen portal do ur sim again with these talents
and fwiw on stacked bis sims it's 1.4 vs 1.7m in favour of frost mages, that's nearly a 20% dps difference
cerulean maple
ST sims play https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/deathstalke...
sims dont run ttk??
ashen portal
<@396192148711669761> do ur sim again with these talents
will do
shy marten
sims dont run ttk??
i just grabbed the one off simc
cerulean maple
oh.
waxen oyster
ahh true good point
sometimes you can hold an env for tomb spawn
cerulean maple
i was so surprised
shy marten
that's worse 
runic hinge
also, can anyone explain kingsbane realquick?
the more you hit your kb target with poisons the more damage it does
waxen oyster
you dont have an on use so it will be weaker
runic hinge
don't spam mutilate
waxen oyster
like transmitter
ashen portal
last 7 sec use
waxen oyster
or skardyn's
runic hinge
keep up envenom and shiv
ashen portal
Shiv
waxen oyster
in raid build you are shiv'ing twice per kb
upper mesa
how bad is sin with 0 mastery gear..
warm oyster
Hi, do you guys use manual mouseover macros for garrote/rupture? or activate the ingame mouseover? I experience it fucks me up sometimes when its alot of mobs and i by accident use spells on other targets than the one im attacking
runic hinge
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
- Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
ashen portal
keep up envenom and shiv
how to get combo points then?!
waxen oyster
you spend 5+ unless you have darkest night
ashen portal
k
waxen oyster
you have like infinite energy in the raid build
darkest night during kb windows is nice
little 9cp envs due to supercharger
with shiv
ashen portal
still stuck at 3.1-3.8 mil dmg
static glacier
just make sure ur playing right, dmg is just rng / gearcheck after that
foggy maple
why are there more and more top assassination rogues running fatebound latetly in SS ? which lobbydrives that ?
static glacier
why are there more and more top assassination rogues running fatebound latetly i...
it sims higher st for some people
ashen portal
what talents to use in M+?
waxen oyster
I mean no raidbuffs is going to impact it
ashen portal
I mean no raidbuffs is going to impact it
will try in raid 😄
runic hinge
why are there more and more top assassination rogues running fatebound latetly i...
do you mean solo shuffle?
foggy maple
yes )
ashen portal
Thanks for help
waxen oyster
the m+ build
like a standard opener kb in raid for me is like
12-13m?
with lust pot allat
runic hinge
yes )
try #pvp but also could be cause deathstalker can be a bit clunky and the opener burst from like double tails can be good
runic hinge
give me
valid pulsar
I had hero knife and skardyn in vault Sheeesh
waxen oyster
Yeah you take skardyn if it's myth
valid pulsar
I too hero skardyn over hero knife was that a doom
waxen oyster
Uhhh....
waxen oyster
You can farm hero skardyn
keen spruce
knife would require me to delve
waxen oyster
pretty easily
keen spruce
and i'm not doin that
valid pulsar
I have hero spyglass also
waxen oyster
knife would require me to delve
skardyn requires me to deal with m+ players
more than i want to
iron carbon
!up
prisma monolithBOT
waxen oyster
my dh has 2 normal warpblades
red prism
which one to take: 623 1/6 mythic crit verse ring or 616 3/6 hero crit mastery ring?
runic hinge
and i'm not doin that
waxen oyster
right?
red prism
lol, fixerd it
runic hinge
That was like week 1 or 2 vault
waxen oyster
warrior also has rash cloak
waxen oyster
That was like week 1 or 2 vault
yoked tbh
eager gazelle
I have some serious regrets about my choices from week 1 and 2 vaults
runic hinge
I didn't even realize how good it was at the time
eager gazelle
I was a misguided young soul
waxen oyster
I took a tier helm on hero
runic hinge
Just outsimmed every thing else
waxen oyster
then got myth helm 2 weeks later
week 1 vaults largely w/e
outside of the rare lucky asswipes
waxen oyster
Just outsimmed every thing else
i mean fair
spice spire
im mentally ill
🤝
slate crown
valid pulsar
Uhhh....
Back to that you recon I made the wrong choice taking hero skardyn over hero ritual? This is only my second vault on rogue
waxen oyster
i meaan technically they both are farmable depending on your mental fortitude
TECHNICALLY
eager gazelle
farming maps smiley face
waxen oyster
i dont recommend
spice spire
You have to mega high roll map > trinket
spice spire
TECHNICALLY
Technically I’m going to eat ur ass problem king? 
waxen oyster
no problem
spice spire
waxen oyster
reminds me of the social ww in my guild
spice spire
I got it first try 
stray adder
quake ran a 5-man leather stack
eager gazelle
make sure you farm skardyn
stray adder
and paid 500k for it
eager gazelle
make sure you farm skardyn on outlaw loot spec, removes one other drop from table to maximizes your chance
spice spire
quake ran a 5-man leather stack
I actually did accidentally
And did not pay for it
Was to funnel to whispyr
stray adder
bahahahaha
spice spire
I unfortunately didn’t have the trinkets to trade
stray adder
it was an ilvl upgrade for you?
spice spire
Yep
stray adder
HAHAHA
waxen oyster
whispyr mental
stray adder
sorry not sorry i guess
waxen oyster
playing egg and transmitter
spice spire
Yeah my spriest is on the hunt for a heroic gale
stray adder
honestly GB isn't so bad, I don't mind it
wispy epoch
I just wanna clear
stray adder
weekend raid schedules are the worst, I don't understand how people are willing to completely negate their weekends for raid
spice spire
Honestly this tier wednesdays weren’t even safe
wispy epoch
weekend raid schedules are the worst, I don't understand how people are willing ...
Wtf are you doing on the weekend
stray adder
Being open to plans?
wispy epoch
Being open to plans?
So nothing
stray adder
nah you're not cooking bro
wispy epoch
5-8pm doesn’t negate your weekend
stray adder
5-8pm, wtf is that 😂
wispy epoch
Don’t come in here trying to rizz a gyatt
waxen oyster
unless you go to bars it's kinda w/e
winged quail
a lot of people drink on the weekend, usually in the evenings
wispy epoch
Cause you’re an L in chat rn
weary spear
Anyone able to confirm if survival hunter is considered ranged for m+ boss mechanics like first boss of siege or dawn?
runic hinge
how do i go out to eat with my gf if i gotta raid 5-8?
waxen oyster
Anyone able to confirm if survival hunter is considered ranged for m+ boss mecha...
They're not
royal lantern
how do i go out to eat with my gf if i gotta raid 5-8?
let her go out with Stu
runic hinge
Stu only wants seeb
wispy epoch
how do i go out to eat with my gf if i gotta raid 5-8?
Weekend dinners at 9pm are pretty average
stray adder
I mean raiding from 5-8pm is a demonic schedule, everything you are saying from now how will be completely ignored
spice spire
Stu only wants seeb
God I should call her
wispy epoch
I mean raiding from 5-8pm is a demonic schedule, everything you are saying from ...
cringe
waxen oyster
and not having wrinkles.
runic hinge
I value my liver
I'm here for a good time not a long time
waxen oyster
weed>>>
wispy epoch
Raiding from 5-8pm so you’re comfy and in bed without fucking up your sleep schedule?
I doubt you even go out zoomer
I bet you just watch anime
Till 3am
stray adder
that raid group is filled with psychopaths
weary spear
Raid from 5-8pm so they can brick pug keys till midnight and still fck their sleep schedule
spice spire
Getting more based by the day xiani bless
wispy epoch
Why would you pug keys after raid when your whole mythic raid is there
To do keys with you
waxen oyster
i dont
waxen oyster
i only pug to fill vault when my free time
doesnt line up with guildies
outside raid hours
wispy epoch
I had 2 mythic raid vaults, 3 mythic keystone vaults
warm vortex
I sure don’t
We can tell
stray adder
karma for raiding 5-8
wispy epoch
We can tell
Your profile is a huge 🚩
waxen oyster
socket is only usable if i decide to craft bracers instead of my bloodbound ones
kinda stuck playing one lens since was low on crafted slots
wispy epoch
waxen oyster
you had trinket already?
wispy epoch
I have transmitter and spyglass
waxen oyster
on myth?
waxen oyster
oh ig yeha
warm vortex
Your profile is a huge 🚩
Explain why
waxen oyster
if your spyglass was only hero woulda been a goofy
robust jasper
I noticed fatebound sims slightly higher in ST but raid logs still have everyone as deathstalker
is that just because of logs from pre SC change or is deathstalker still the go to for ST and AoE?
hollow stone
Theres probably multiple factors for that but ill see if i can hit the main ones:
comfort with ds
better defensive with ds
less rng with ds
theres also tinfoil that thinks fb sims too high 
wide sleet
!sheet
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
balmy condor
theres also tinfoil that thinks fb sims too high <:tinfoil_pepe:6996512675172188...
who is saying this?
coral ibex
ooooo dad said show your work
spice spire
Me
hollow stone
I see it every now and then in this channel, cant give you names
spice spire
(I’ve never said it in my life)
hollow stone
you know how ppl are
coral ibex
“many people are saying this” moment
waxen oyster
I mean people give stupid takes all the time
hollow stone
yea
waxen oyster
like british food is edible
stray adder
I saw a british food truck on instagram serving beans on potatoes with cheese, nasty mfers lol
hollow stone
Haha
runic hinge
spice spire
coral ibex
I saw a british food truck on instagram serving beans on potatoes with cheese, n...
this is normal tho? have you never had a cheesy potato? beans and potatoes go together fine and beans + cheese happens all the time in chili
stray adder
looks like a good way to shit your guts out
coral ibex
your weakness is my strength
balmy condor
Smh my head
ngl I haven't opened that all expac I have no idea what's in there 
pure moth
I looked up "fb sim" and saw this first lol
runic hinge
Eat some fiber
pure moth
haha
stray adder
this is normal tho? have you never had a cheesy potato? beans and potatoes go to...
the cheesy potato is fine but that giant scoop of beans on that thing is brutal
blissful cosmos
in single target raid build so we vanish at the last six seconds of kingsbane even with improved garrote or do we do it sooner?
coral ibex
the cheesy potato is fine but that giant scoop of beans on that thing is brutal
they love beans over there man idk
wispy epoch
in single target raid build so we vanish at the last six seconds of kingsbane ev...
He said the thing!!!
!ma
!kingsbane
!vanish
prisma monolithBOT
Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:
- Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
- Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied
As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.
wispy epoch
Wow this is embarrassing
balmy condor
what are you doing
stray adder
balmy condor
blissful cosmos
!masterassain how to properkly
cyan karma
Stupid question… Is there a way to get around the key bind issue with subterfuge?… or do I need to change all my key binds so they don’t share (stralth/non stealth)… just spent a week thinking my envenom button was broken… but it’s subterfuge locking my stealth binds on I’m pretty sure… I play with my binds hidden so I didn’t really notice until now lol
balmy condor
in single target raid build so we vanish at the last six seconds of kingsbane ev...
last 6, but shouldn't matter much
cobalt sphinx
yeah just /cast [stealth] x, /cast [nostealth] y for every different keybind
i had to do this for feint/sap and ambush/mutilate
cyan karma
yeah just /cast [stealth] x, /cast [nostealth] y for every different keybind
That’s actually genius tyty
hollow stone
this reminds me of the “is sectec on your stealth bar” infinite meme in the sub channel
warm vortex
they love beans over there man idk
Beans on toast are lovely
BUty
you shouldent queue for it
just make it at home
stray adder
Beans on toast are lovely
sounds like a federal offense
stray adder
sounds like jail food
vast loom
it tastes like beans and toast, nothing special lol if you like baked beans and you like toast its fine
vast patio
Is poison bomb uncapped?
quaint depot
was about to kill the 3rd boss in GB 13 with like 9 minutes left, felt very timeable, DK gets knocked back into lava benders and wipes us, luckily we still kill the boss, but losing the 15s per person was enough to rip it im sure
cant he just deaths advance and never get knocked back?
cobalt sphinx
yes
fickle fossil
!up
prisma monolithBOT
cobalt sphinx
people can make mistakes
quaint depot
yeah i mean im sure he just made a mistake, just unfort he made the mistake of not using deaths advance simultaenously with the mistake of having his back to the hardest pull inthe dungeon that we skipped
warm vortex
was about to kill the 3rd boss in GB 13 with like 9 minutes left, felt very time...
Fuck the 15s on death
fuck
cobalt sphinx
we just do the lavabenders with cooldowns
not a fun pull but it's even less fun being trapped by them
quaint depot
i mean the boss was at 1 percent of whatrever (51 percent) when it happened, its very easy to not pull them lol
inland escarp
quaint depot
unless they hotfix the cheese where you back the dragon into that wall
stray adder
BIIIG