#assassination

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final star
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I won't be playing sub anyway

spice surge
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L

ripe bobcat
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No KB. Less dmg

final star
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Trust me bro

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It's gonna pop off

ripe bobcat
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😄 Na. I dont trust u 😄

final star
oak tangle
quaint depot
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itlll be crazy in low keys im sure

oak tangle
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someone let me know when servers are up

woeful meteor
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venom nova still exists

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thats most of my coup deaths xdd

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run out, coup procs, charge cancel the knockup

final star
slim pebble
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Tired: my son is sick today
Wired: I can contribute to 10 am vault picture spam

midnight mist
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i died on mist first boss frontal last time cause of coup

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and looked like a fool

woeful meteor
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but blizz saved me now I guess

subtle tundra
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Isn't asshole better

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Idk

midnight mist
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sub for first boss mist

subtle tundra
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Yes

midnight mist
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and last part nw

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what yes

spice surge
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Sub playable in city and dawn too

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But i figured you''d play outlaw in city since its fine there too

midnight mist
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i cant play outlaw anymore

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we got an aug

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cause we couldnt find third dps

spice surge
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Unlucky

sharp viper
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oof

midnight mist
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Outlaw is wild in city

sharp viper
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keys don't feel fun with an augvoker tbh

midnight mist
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I think it's the better spec by far

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In stonevault as well it pop off like crazy no cap

midnight mist
slim pebble
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I’m more tanky obviously but not fun

clever sapphire
stray adder
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I like aug keys but I don't like the boss part

ripe bobcat
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Dont like Augs 😄

midnight mist
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my only issue with aug

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is that the only spec in the game that cant play with aug

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is outlaw

slim pebble
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Sounds like the solution is to delete Aug and outlaw

stray adder
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sounds like a outlaw issue more than a aug issue KEKW

midnight mist
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real

solar wyvern
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Make a new spec

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Auglaw

ripe bobcat
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i prefere 3 real dps 😄

slim pebble
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Make outlaw a support spec

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I don’t actually mean that

ripe bobcat
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Imagine: Outlaw rogue could give an debuff which increase the dmg on the targets...

sharp viper
ripe bobcat
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like "break the Iron" or smt

solar wyvern
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Crimson vial > Toss Crimson Vial.
Feint > Faintly helping
Evasion > Evasive Maneuvers (aoe for group)
Cloak of Shadows > Blanky of Shadows

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Auglaw

ripe bobcat
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😄

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Auglaw is a nice call

stray adder
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sounds awful bro

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lmao

solar wyvern
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Between the eyes > Between your dps meter

clever sapphire
ripe bobcat
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it is like a Taylor Swift song... first time is awfull... but if u hear it the 30th time u like it 😄

wispy epoch
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it makes sense b/c swashbuckler in DND 5E is a very tanky/support based role

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like you give your allies hp

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and advantage

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you're literally captain scarbosa

solar wyvern
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Swashbuckler in 5e has such potential

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Too bad it has to exist with Psyknife

wispy epoch
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every rogue i know plays fuckin soulknife

ripe bobcat
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not me 😄

wispy epoch
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im a valor bard though, far above the memes of rogue

solar wyvern
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I dm a thief rogue

wispy epoch
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i dont trust thief rogues

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they ruin my party after they get a little

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wise

solar wyvern
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He always asks, can i use fast hands on insert random object to blind them??

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Like bro its a bonus action use object

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Not bonus action cast color spray

midnight mist
versed gulch
midnight mist
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It makes difference between specs more apparent

wispy epoch
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i just cant imagine DMs sitting there and watching a soulknife perma stun npcs

midnight mist
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When a spec is op

little saffron
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hello there, I'm ilvl 599, this is sv. what u guys think I should focus more ?

midnight mist
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Well it's even more op

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Cause you can Aug it

little saffron
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the key level is 10

wispy epoch
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how is a 599 being invited to a 10

midnight mist
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When a spec burst high, well it will burst even higher cause of Aug

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And when a spec scale well with secondaries

stray adder
solar wyvern
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My rat 570 dh got 4 timed 10s this week kekw

wispy epoch
midnight mist
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Again it will synergize better with Aug cause of that

wispy epoch
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wait

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why are you using

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instant poison

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wait

little saffron
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got it

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it's below Clear the Witnesses

solar wyvern
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Check your talents, use amplifying poison

wispy epoch
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insane

solar wyvern
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Instant poison is big bad

wispy epoch
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pvp talent

midnight mist
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So idk, Aug symergyse too well with good specs, and too poorly with bad specs

wispy epoch
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err pvp poison

midnight mist
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So the gap is bigger than it really is or should be

slim pebble
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That mut number seems really low, but also I don’t really look at mutilate in my breakdown

coral ibex
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isn’t aug specifically taken for survivability in keys

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and not damage

wispy epoch
midnight mist
stray adder
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I mean a 20 years old game that was never built around support specs now has a support spec that is completely unbalanced, who would've thought

wispy epoch
midnight mist
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it does as much damage as any spec

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aug out damage more than half the specs in the game

wispy epoch
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details made a new addition that shows a very faded teal line

midnight mist
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and again

wispy epoch
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so you can see

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how much dmg aug contributes

midnight mist
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especially when you pair it with meta specs

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it does good damage

wispy epoch
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bad augs will be at tank or below

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really good augs will be between dpsers

stray adder
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honestly details is shit for augs, just look at logs

coral ibex
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it does very mid damage

midnight mist
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No Aug will do tank DPS lol

wispy epoch
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details made it so you can see the faded line

midnight mist
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It doesn't do mid damage tho

coral ibex
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otherwise it would be taken for time trial content

midnight mist
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It does too much damage for what the spec does

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It does as much damage as half the specs in the game

coral ibex
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i didn’t see any in the mdi

midnight mist
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Especially in a good comp

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Ye cause it doesn't do as much damage as the top tier specs

wispy epoch
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mdi content is 11 keys and below

midnight mist
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But all I'm saying is, an Aug in a meta comp will probably out damage feral, wls, warriors, etc etc

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Idk if you get me

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Like as a third DPS, it does the damage you expect from your third dps

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Which is an issue cause it also bring way too much shit

random ice
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Aug issnt very good number wise, MDI are too low keys for aug, its strengh comes in mobcontrol etc

midnight mist
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On top of that

wispy epoch
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mob control, long combat time so healer never runs oom, tank high active mitigation uptime

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and dmg for dps obv

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i kinda wanna play aug

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i hear 3k io is free

midnight mist
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aug is mid as damage

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yet it does the same damage as other dps

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doesnt look that mid to me

wispy epoch
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shows a 17 key

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HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

midnight mist
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?

wispy epoch
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?

normal mist
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?

midnight mist
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you want me to show weeklies or what

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i tought this was a serious conversation

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mb

wispy epoch
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show us some mdi keys

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some me a 9

midnight mist
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??

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you seem to not understand

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which is weird

cloud reef
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Aug buffs other classes if your aug is doing bad damage it might be because the other player isnt pressing buttons properly

midnight mist
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im not saying aug tops damage

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im saying it does as much damage as half the specs in this game

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or more

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also wtf is mdi

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we aint talking about mdis

lethal turtle
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Hard to not do that dmg, when 90% of those augs are buffing enh shams

midnight mist
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Which is my whole point

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Aug is bad for the game

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Cause it's op with op specs

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And bad with bad specs

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So you can't play Aug when you aren't playing the specs that work well with Aug which are most often just the broken specs of the moment

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Anyway

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No one likes Aug

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Time to delete

clever sapphire
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i mean league already made the mistake with yuumi before aug came out. Everyone hated yuumi, it was obvious that its broken when the players are op (in league fed), and complete garbage when the others are shit

pure moth
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AGREED; delete aug

dark merlin
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Correct

native trellis
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Good luck on Vaults today homies

slim pebble
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I only did 7 keys so I’m preparing for sadness

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Did get two myth raid slots though

lethal turtle
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Id have much less issue with Augs if they added more support specs. Having a 1/1 spec is terrible for the game especially for 5 man content

quaint depot
spice spire
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7 10+

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But I did some crest farming

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So my last slot

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Is 619 SmileDog

slim pebble
lethal turtle
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Grace 100% in that slot now

quaint depot
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i did a bajillion 12-13 keys

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so hopefully i got something good

slim pebble
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I almost finished my 11s this week

dark merlin
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Whens servys upp

slim pebble
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I +2 a 11 Dawn and then failed an 11 SV in the first hallway

slow echo
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Skardyn's please!

pure moth
quaint depot
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Dawn is pretty close to the easiest key and SV is the hardest, so not super shocking

spice spire
slim pebble
spice spire
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It’s a lock tho

pure moth
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HEY NOW other people said it too!

spice spire
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Foss is my #1 hater

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(He doesn’t send enough Luna and Fred pictures)

cinder bone
slim pebble
wispy epoch
hollow sphinx
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would yall take the bracers over the shoulders?

spice spire
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I would not

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But that’s where my embellishment is

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So

strange python
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i take skardyns right? i dont have to think right?

spice spire
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Correct

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No think

coral ibex
hollow sphinx
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i was just thinking you can make any shoulders into a set piece

spice spire
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Take best trinket

strange python
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awesome haha thank you

wispy epoch
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🤤

coral ibex
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another passive trinket HOLY

slim pebble
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Here’s a fred for good luck

wispy epoch
spice spire
coral ibex
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probably taking the myth tier legs

lethal turtle
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Are your trinkets goated already

coral ibex
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i have a 639 empowering crystal

slim pebble
coral ibex
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and 626 skardyn

lethal turtle
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Ah yeah I'd do same then

slim pebble
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I dont feel like I can pass on this

lethal turtle
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Feel like you can

novel star
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socket Sludge

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dh got queen ring PagMan but rogue gets a socket pepeW

arctic socket
coral ibex
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why couldn’t you be in the myth slot man

pure moth
spice spire
clever sapphire
slim pebble
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hmmm

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sim says take helm?

spice spire
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You gotta be in m+ build eh

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Either way

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Probably

coral ibex
spice spire
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😡

tardy terrace
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LMFAO

slim pebble
tardy terrace
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HAHA

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whats the chance dude

umbral sierra
woven shore
pure moth
arctic socket
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Just farm a empowering crystal

quasi stump
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oh wait servers up

spice spire
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Ye

cloud reef
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!SIMS

prisma monolithBOT
slim pebble
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okay... do I REALLY wanna pass on a myth track spyglass?

lethal turtle
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No

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But that is just me 🙂

slim pebble
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Feels like the better long term play is to take spyglass

woven shore
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im lucky with my pieces bro

lethal turtle
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I had the same choice last week with socketed helm and took emp crystal. And then I got the helm from 2nd boss mythic raid

rotund oak
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in a friendly way

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😅

pure moth
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please record video

coral ibex
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watch me do it

sick grove
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How important is haste in comparison to mastery/crit/vers ? I keep seeing different opinions

lethal turtle
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Catalyzing tier slots is so easy to come by now. Trinket is rare

quartz relic
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3 Wrist XDDDDDD GL

pure moth
prisma monolithBOT
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There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
  • Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
trail scarab
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for your 2nd kingsbane in "opener" do you completely stop using muti/trying to sustain envenom buff when pooling?

clever sapphire
pure moth
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if it works, it works

quaint depot
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I got mythic vers/crit boots, could be worse

split veldt
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do these subterfuge builds in keys play any differently?

short night
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on aoe opener do you tempest with 4cp if you get bad rng and just continue as usual?

woven shore
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is there an easy way to get Bravery Points ?

trail scarab
sleek spear
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mandatory flex since everyone does it anyway

quaint depot
cloud yew
valid pulsar
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my second vault on rogue and i got skardyn only hero tho

hexed root
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how good is egg?

tired gull
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sim it

hexed root
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doesnt sound fun to play around but im probably overthinking it

hexed root
tired gull
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to know how good i tis

lethal turtle
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Its pretty good in m+ but annoying to play around

hexed root
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nah

noble pine
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hey guys i've seen ppl take forced induction instead of 2x leathality is there is specific setup for it that makes it good or is it just ppl experimenting ? cause when i simmed it on st it was -9500

hard garnet
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
fair cypress
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is going from 626 weapon to 639 weapon better than 626 helm or legs to 639 better?

hard garnet
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!omni

granite dove
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hey guys i have noob question, sorry if im blind. as sin rogue when i have talent for multiple poisons what order do i apply them in?

umbral sierra
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I forgot how much a gap mythic and hero track was. i remember df it was like 6-7 ilvl diff from max hero and max myth track but 13 ilvl diff gd

umbral sierra
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rip any m+ player who wants full bis mythic gear without spaming mythic raid

quaint depot
clever sapphire
clever sapphire
quaint depot
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but yeah. theres a ton of talent choices that are totally fine and viable

clever sapphire
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!poison

cloud yew
prisma monolithBOT
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You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

  • Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
    Non-Lethals:
  • Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

misty holly
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Has anyone tried the Harvester's Edict trinket?

uneven plume
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Massive Ansurek Nerfs = season ending soon?

pure bridge
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Anyone else have sims going 100k lower than last week. I luckily I only had one clear upgrade, but something seems off.

granite dove
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okay thanks i wasnt sure about whether it had impact or not. thanks again

tropic cedar
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big neck

lethal turtle
woven shore
quaint depot
tropic cedar
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and i dont need to use crests on it because i already got mythic neck in previous week's vault pepeScheme

solar orbit
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This would be the dream if I didn't swap to subtlety...

slim pebble
quaint depot
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yeah you jusit still take it and swap back lul

frosty bridge
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How does the apl use the Ovinax trinket?

solar orbit
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I... like playing sub...

kindred hinge
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Deplete a good run of GB 15 because your Enh decide to charge his add on valiona while fixated. Priceless fun

hexed root
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wtf is going on with sub's trinket prio anyway, bloodmallet looks weird af

frosty bridge
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Considering 626 ovinax trinket sims higher in dslice than a 639 dawnbreaker trinket

quaint depot
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socket it is then i guess?

quaint depot
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Id still tke the skardyns even if i might not use it, its too good to take a socket over lol

solar orbit
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Void reaper might not be bad, but I'm really tempted to take a myth skardyns

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The moment I stop playing assa, I get 3 skardyns

quaint depot
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Yeah, i think you just take it just in case you decide tyou want to play assa again

hexed root
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always myth skardyns if thats the option

slim pebble
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@rotund oak You may rest king

late surge
hexed root
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i kind of want to take contract just in case I swap to outlaw

hexed root
woven shore
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crazy

hexed root
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?

woven shore
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im jealous

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we are at ovinax prolly kill it today or thursday

quaint depot
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Sometimes i wish i had access to raid loot, but at the end of the day i just dont enjoy raiding so i just do high keys lol

woven shore
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we at like 80 pulls or something

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and me is the opposite

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i hate this seasons m+

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i love raiding

fair cypress
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Would it be best to take myth track weapon to 639 this week or take a craft 619 to 636 and upgrade weapon next week?

woven shore
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sim yourself

hexed root
quaint depot
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Yeah i just naturally do like 30 10 to 14 keys every week on each character so its not like agrind to me it just happens

desert vault
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Still don't have mythic dagger, but it must drop eventually, crazy chest is best sim option, 8k for trinket 15k for chest

woven shore
hexed root
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30 keys is like 15 hours, how many hours a week you playin wow? I'm definitely breaking 15 lmao

quaint depot
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25 minutes here and there is more managable for me than 2-3 hours at once

late surge
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u got premade?

woven shore
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30 keys?

quaint depot
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No i pug them all

late surge
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bro

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thgats like

woven shore
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i dont have the mental power to find 30 groups

late surge
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atleast 15 min of lfg per key

quaint depot
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but pugs at 3k + io are normally pretty smooth

late surge
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and how many characters do u play

quaint depot
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just 2 , not a ton lol

late surge
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cuz that sounds like a lot of keys

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60 keys a WEEK

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HUH

quaint depot
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well, Im probably embellishing the number, but i get more than 8 done by a good margin on each

balmy prism
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I hardly can get myself to do one

cinder bone
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3 keys a night is ~21 for the week

desert vault
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I want trinket, but I dunno we are on the worm, plus eventually just a catalyst chest will appear, I guess wait to see if I can get a weapon to drop in raid

late surge
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bro

quaint depot
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Yeah i for sure do more than 3 keys on plenty of days

late surge
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bis trinket for sure

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I think

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even if it sims worse for now

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its better in the long run

desert vault
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was my thought, just weird to see it so far behind in sims

quaint depot
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do 2 or 3 in the morning 3 or 4 at night, etc

late surge
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I mean ur chest is 619 rn

normal mist
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That's some free time

quaint depot
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True for sure

desert vault
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yeah i just have heroic chest

quaint depot
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Turning my 639 boots that are crit vers into mastery vers with catalyst is a 5500 dps gain

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prob gonna do that

wispy epoch
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gonna end it all

haughty lantern
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literally same

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my vault was dogshit

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i took a FOURTH SOCKET

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i am now socketing my outlaw gear

quaint depot
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dang thats crazy i havent taken a socket yet this season on either of my toons

late surge
haughty lantern
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@normal mist pass the thistle tea

quartz spear
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There's a new ring available this week yea?

wispy epoch
tropic cedar
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guildies vault PepeLaugh

desert vault
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Ah, yeah that's true I guess trinket makes sense cause chest has room, current heroic sac is maxed

haughty lantern
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i know this ain't the pirate channel but I have been chasing the fist weapon from princess for over 2 months now

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my sin set is actually pretty goated for not doing any mythic content

main wharf
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vent to us, brother

haughty lantern
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i did get oddly very lucky last week tho

quaint depot
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Was hoping for a mythic weapon in the vault this week but no dice, do i just craft a 2nd 636 dagger?

novel star
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that slot isn’t very good

quartz spear
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Hero queen ring over Myth gear? monkaW

vale shore
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barf...

umbral sierra
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so is 48 nerubar finery hard cap? cant i farm them on alts in lfr and giga buff my main

quaint depot
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Hmmm, im not sure waht to do with all these crests i cant use lol

haughty lantern
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so for context i've been chasing a replacement crit/vers ring for my outlaw spec for roughly a month now. have been stuck with a crit/vers vet track one from necrotic wake

first delve of the week, I get a crit/vers ring, champ track with leech. Finally pogging, hit the statistical jackpot.

Of the 2 8s I did last week (really was not trying to push), someone else got a hero track of the crit/vers ring from wake, was a fury warrior, and they gave it to me

so I jumped up 2 gear tracks on my ring in the span of like 48 hours

gloomy heart
novel star
haughty lantern
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hiiiiiiiiii @novel star

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❤️

quartz spear
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I swear I read something about that

haughty lantern
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we do, but here's the thing: why not both

quartz spear
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That's my only hesitation

haughty lantern
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new ring AND queen ring

novel star
quartz spear
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Yea I mean fair

haughty lantern
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my guild finally got aotc last wednesday. We're uber casual. Luckily we're also uber inclusive so we're going back into the raid to get a few more kills of stuff and to help other people get their aotc too

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i started the season as assassin but now i'm maining outlaw (haven't given up on sin tho, i still keep my gear around)

I am finally next in line for the fist weapon. Our havoc dh and ww monk fought for the first one, dh won. 2 weeks ago another fist weapon finally dropped and our monk got it. now it's finally my turn

gloomy heart
haughty lantern
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and tbf my adhd brain chases the niche stuff. I've always wanted the fist weapon trinket combo since the start

normal mist
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I have it and it's meh

normal mist
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I expected more

haughty lantern
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for context royal i ONLY want it b/c it does a thing

I was the same way for the bow for my hunter from razsageth, the fist weapon for my evoker, and the axe for my warrior

normal mist
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Yeah I totally understand that

haughty lantern
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tbf at the time for BM it was absolutely stonks but the point stands

normal mist
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That's why my 1st vault I picked the trinket over Ara Kara egg

quaint depot
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Guess i could craft 636 shoulders, dont really see the point in saving the crests for a future mythic vault item when i already have 150 gilded crests i cant use

pure moth
quaint depot
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also i guess how the upgrade system works anyways its generally not great to save them except for when you are expecting to jump from like 619 to a mythic items since it saves you 15 crests forever

next dust
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!guide

wise whale
silk sundial
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Shoulders over dagger ya? Already have a 636 mh, shoulders sim better as well

lethal arrow
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decisions

wise whale
lethal arrow
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BiS belt or ringworm

ancient tangle
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the envenom direct nature dmg are splashed by Spatter too isn't it ?

normal mist
ancient tangle
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ok by 40% too ?

novel star
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ya

ancient tangle
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ok thx 🙂

bitter saddle
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
novel star
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and kingsbane and deathstalker effects and fatebound coins

ancient tangle
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yes ok all nature dmg so ^^

wise whale
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Except shiv

ancient tangle
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ah yes ok, it only aoe when talented to aoe 5 targets ?

wise whale
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Yes, besides arterial

novel star
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Ye

ancient tangle
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ye ok ty 🙂

novel star
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shiv debuff on spatter target doesn’t buff spatter damage on the rest of the pack

#

it’s a little silly

wise whale
#

For real

cloud basin
#

Is the command pool or pooling

thorn slate
#

When do you cast slice n dice in the opener for single target?

novel star
#

never

#

envenom applies it

wise whale
#

SnD PTSD

thorn slate
#

ooooooh was this a recent change?

novel star
#

yeah

wise whale
#

sorta

shy marten
#

Is there a reason to have snd bound

novel star
#

11.0.5 made cut to the chase grant snd duration(including at 0/unapplied) instead of only extending

crimson vector
#

For firey ricochet you can only true immune the mechanic if the boss is casting on you first right?

novel star
wise whale
#

You can still click it tho for the sound effect

#

Makes a cool sound

shy marten
#

At this point i havent pressed it since the change

wise whale
#

Audibly sims higher

cloud basin
#

!pool

wise whale
#

Frosst I remember you from Acherus

shy marten
#

I mean it’s actually using a pretty good bind in `

wise whale
#

Back in shadowlands

ancient tangle
novel star
#

ye

shy marten
novel star
#

would break da game

stray adder
#

Oh mighty Great Vault, keeper of treasures unknown,
Bless me not with bracers, nor a pair of shoes alone.
Guide the RNG gods to hear my humble embrace,
And grant me that mythic-track Skardyn’s Grace!

Let no useless trinket be my weekly fate,
Nor relics of power that I already hate.
Fill my slots with loot that’s rare and divine,
Something shiny and epic, ideally one of a kind!

So as I open thee, oh Vault so Great,
May fortune bless my gear and seal my fate.
I vow to run Mythics and raid true and well,
Just please, this week, don’t give me vendor sell.

wise whale
shy marten
#

I play a lot less now got a lot more irl stuff going on

wise whale
#

I feel you

#

You'd probably enjoy this iteration of breath btw

shy marten
#

I do still play fdk

#

It’s good

wise whale
#

Pog

shy marten
#

Best it’s ever been but oblit is still too much of a focus i think

hexed root
#

is there a WA for broodtwister egg?

wise whale
#

Oblit = beans

shy marten
#

Still don’t really like the cleaving but the horsemen can remedy it pretty well if you play that build

slate crown
wise whale
#

Deathbringer goes crazy tho

shy marten
#

It’s nice to be in the meta for once but I don’t feel like I’m rewarded for playing well, I just do what I’ve always done and my number is just bigger than before

#

Like now I feel like I’m blasting and I actually am vs before I felt like I was blasting but I was just always under other people

stray adder
#

sheeesh

shy marten
#

Oh well tuning is always like that as long as the gameplay is fun and the numbers aren’t complete trash it’ll be fine

wise whale
#

It's just you don't need long breaths anymore, and your 45s feel actually impactful

polar thorn
#

ok i need help deciding vault, and what better place then here

shy marten
#

I’m also always comparing with my mage friend and so it always feels like I’m behind but that’s just what happens when you compare to mage

shy marten
wise whale
#

Oof ring and crystal

shy marten
#

Not that I can realistically help but your gear gives insight to what’s good

polar thorn
lethal arrow
solar orbit
#

Do we play TTK on M+?

stray adder
#

sure

polar thorn
#

I play m+ idc whats best for raid

wise whale
#

Crystal

gloomy heart
#

raid makes my tingly and warm inside

polar thorn
#

chest is largest dps increase, but myth chest easy to farm

wise whale
#

1000%

polar thorn
shy marten
wise whale
#

Ring is nothing in aoe

polar thorn
stray adder
#

Brandon where is your skardyn

eager gazelle
#

gotta be crystal, and get to the grim batol mines

polar thorn
stray adder
polar thorn
#

im cursed

stray adder
#

next GB for sure

gloomy heart
#

yeah crystal 1000%

lusty surge
gloomy heart
#

you can get the ring eventually from drop

wise whale
#

Myth chest is much more likely to appear again

royal lantern
wise whale
#

Ansurek ring does fuck all in aoe

polar thorn
#

i asssumed it would be nuts

wise whale
#

Brandon doesn't believe me chat

royal lantern
#

and the m+ lootpool is also larger, chances that you see the ring again in vault are way higher

wise whale
#

Vouchers plz

shy marten
#

Usually I follow this for vaults

polar thorn
shy marten
#

bis trinkets > weapon > correct statted rings and neck > tier slots > good catalysed stat slots > ilvl > tokens > everything else

#

It’s served me pretty well I rarely regret my vault choices

polar thorn
#

cant believe im gonna pass the ring

#

2people say trink

#

ig i go trink

royal lantern
#

bro

shy marten
#

You can sim aoe with the ring?

royal lantern
#

the ring is "a ring with a 1% dmg effect"

wise whale
#

You can run a dungeon slice sim too

royal lantern
#

the trinket is "1 of the best passive trinkets avaible rn on the highest level"

wise whale
#

Im telling you the ring ain't it

polar thorn
#

I trust your guys opinions more than my own

shy marten
#

Just run like a 40s 5-8T sim without dm

polar thorn
#

new to rogue

shy marten
#

For trinkets

#

What trinkets do you have access to

#

And are you actively pushing keys

#

Or will you do so in the future

#

Those are important questions

polar thorn
#

keys are my main goal

#

raid is just loot for me to use in keys

shy marten
#

Cos for me I won’t push for another few weeks so getting the best gear right now doesn’t matter to me

#

Now what trinkets do you have access to

#

Unfortunately I don’t play assa enough to know exactly what’s good and what’s not from the m+ pool

#

Also idk what drops off the first 4 bosses

solar orbit
#

I know assa likes all stats, but deathstalker sees less use from crit compared to the other stats, right?

shy marten
#

But look at all the available trinkets from there and see how much a 639 Crystal is vs a 626 of any farmable m+ trinkets

#

Realistically if Crystal is that good you’d pick it, if it’s not that bis then maybe a 626 of it will work just as well

#

Also see if there’s a similar ring you can get from m+

cobalt sphinx
#

crystal is good

#

i'd take it if you don't have a myth trinket

shy marten
#

Is it one of the best trinkets?

polar thorn
#

I went trinket

#

ty all

north hull
#

This week is killing me

cobalt sphinx
#

it is one of the best trinkets yeah

north hull
shy marten
#

Token is probably highest upgrade but it’s also a sign you need to do more 10s every week

north hull
#

Oh I want more, but I get spammed with declines unfortunately

shy marten
#

With how rare myth track gear is, not raiding mythic from your vault means doing +10s is the only way to get the best gear

#

It’s super unfortunate to get to Tuesday and not have any myth track pieces for the week

shy marten
#

There should be plenty of those running around doing 10s

harsh anchor
#

I lost interest in doing more than 1 10 a week. No upgrades? Nice, I’ll still get 2.5% dps increase in raid

shy marten
#

I mean for some people (like me) the game is all about m+ so not really a problem

eager gazelle
#

I am seeing significantly less people posting their skardyn's than usual

#

may need to demand a recount here

#

blizzard is screwing us

little saffron
#

Any decent plater specially made for Sin?

ripe bobcat
#

!plater

prisma monolithBOT
small sequoia
#

Hey guys, I got the bis trinket in the vault. I already have Arakara and Skardyn's 639 version. Sims are saying Spyglass is 0.5% DPS increase.
I am wondering if i should take Spyglass over the Tier Myth track Chest piece. Since There are several ways i can get the chest (via vault with Catalyst token, or have the tier chest again in the vault) but only one way to get the Spyglass.

Any thoughts?

cobalt sphinx
#

dragon hooooly

steel ridge
#

what an abomination

stray adder
#

dragon rogue is wild

eager gazelle
#

sacbrood on st, spyglass on aoe/m+

royal lantern
#

if you guys cant help, just shut up lol

eager gazelle
#

bob's your uncle

small sequoia
#

that makes sense, I'll try for tier chest token next week then. Hopefully it offers it in some form.

languid thistle
#

Hello guys in m+ how much garote targets are worth to dot in the carange window?

royal lantern
#

if yes, just wait until the clear is done

#

and then pick

tacit charm
royal lantern
#

maybe you get a chest in the meantime

small sequoia
#

I'm only 4/8M no chance for tier chest

umbral sierra
vast patio
#

Real quick

#

what's the shadow meld macro I should be using?

eager gazelle
royal lantern
royal lantern
small sequoia
royal lantern
#

yes

small sequoia
#

oh yeah

royal lantern
#

that is a bold take tbh

#

like

#

the 3 trinkets are almost 100% equal

cobalt sphinx
#

he said he simmed it already

balmy prism
#

lmao swinging wild out here

small sequoia
#

yea i simmed

eager gazelle
#

don't use bloodmallet

royal lantern
#

sacbrood/spyglass/crystal are so extremely close to eachother, they dont really make a real difference in the end

royal lantern
#

like, get 1 of them and be happy, crystal tends to be very slightly better in m+. sacbrood tendss to be very slightly better in raid, but it makes no difference you can actually see in the end

little saffron
#

If you have a better use from ur Vault

#

ur trinkets are fine in this situation

eager gazelle
#

bloodmallet is a generic rogue with generic gear, you should always sim your own character since your stats are different. Bloodmallet is ok for general ideas of what is good and nothing else

small sequoia
#

Chest would be a good upgrade, my last myth track tier piece

little saffron
#

so If I had that vault I would pick chest

royal lantern
#

ye same

little saffron
#

I don't know about others

ivory flower
#

Spyglass uptime is like 20% in m+, cristal is 40-45 % : don't play spyglass

royal lantern
#

thats also a bold take

#

:3

small sequoia
#

😮

languid thistle
#

where can i find good builds for every dung "for high keys"

small sequoia
#

ok friends, thank you so much 🙂

languid thistle
eager gazelle
royal lantern
wise whale
#

Wait wat

royal lantern
#

wtf is going on tonight here

wise whale
#

Don't copy them

#

They're to be spectated not imitated

royal lantern
#

copying stuff without context is a horrible idea most of the time

wise whale
#

inb4 the zerocool cooks come in

royal lantern
#

and im not kidding there

#

500+ different possible "M+ buildss"

wise whale
#

A million builds

royal lantern
#

so what do you put into a general guide there?

#

whisp put a general good build in

little saffron
#

500+ builds? xD

#

how tho

cobalt sphinx
#

he wants to see a variety of builds

#

casualaddict has a few in his discord

royal lantern
# little saffron how tho

all the different possible combinations of "do you play SB/MA/IW/SD/TTK/SSB in spec tree, and do you play Supercharger or Without a Trace in class tree"

#

adds up alot

#

and they all do roughly the same thing in the end

wise whale
#

I actually love the build diversity we have

eager gazelle
#

I was watching casualaddict on the last boss off NW, he got sent down, he ran to the wall and got snapped back up top, anyone know what that was?

#

some shadowstep tech?

royal lantern
#

sounds like a bug abuse

wise whale
#

Maybe weyrnstone if there was an aug

royal lantern
#

^ that aswell i gues

eager gazelle
#

yes there was an aug, probably that

royal lantern
#

daily reminder to delete aug prayge

cobalt sphinx
#

there are a couple bugs you can pull off, i think you can take a gateway and either rescue or get rescued too

fleet crest
#

I know races don't REALLY matter unless you're trying to min/max with NE/Dwarf, but for Horde, do we think Belf would be a good option?

cobalt sphinx
#

i don't think belf is very good for damage but it's better than the bad ones

gusty mirage
#

Honestly just delete the game at this point

#

Burn it all down and start over

royal lantern
fleet crest
#

I'm mag'har currently.

shy marten
#

what's wrong with aug

gusty mirage
#

It exists

wise whale
#

Everything

spice surge
#

Maghar is good from a pure numerical point

#

And its getting buffed by 30%

#

In .7

fleet crest
#

I just fucking hate Orc shoulder tbh

spice surge
royal lantern
#

"we will make sure that aug will not be problematic"->proceedss to be problematic since its release in every single form of content

#

:3

#

oopsie

gusty mirage
wise whale
#

No

#

Still aug

haughty lantern
nova aspen
#

aug's profile is just perfection for pushing keys

shy marten
#

i honestly dont see that aug is a problem in m+

nova aspen
#

would need a drastic change

#

or deleted

fleet crest
#

my shoulders look so dumb

royal lantern
#

then turn shoulders off

shy marten
#

there are plenty of high keys done without an aug

wise whale
#

But ur name is bis so who cares

fleet crest
#

😄 I heard you were stuck in the dryer?

wise whale
#

How upset were u when stepbrother was taken

#

On a scale of 1 to upset

fleet crest
#

lol pretty.. I tried Stepmom, Stepbro, Stepsis

wise whale
#

Ik you did

fleet crest
#

hahaha

royal lantern
# gusty mirage What if the problem isn’t aug, but the content itself?

i mean yeha, the problem is that m+ is a garbage shit mode that was never supposed to be a "pillar of the game" and got akwardly pushed into one, and because of player babyrage because they failed a key after wiping 6x on a boss they basically removed the timers so keys are all about "survive 1hits lol" now and timer doesnt fucking matter

and aug makes you survive 1hits 2 key levels higher

#

:3

#

imagine keys where timers matter

#

and you would need to do dmg

nova aspen
#

thats where 3x enhance shaman comps come in

#

xd

gloomy heart
royal lantern
#

like, timers are such a joke unless you push on they very high levels

#

if you dont wipe, you time it

#

simple as that

wise whale
#

xd yourself triple enhance sounds cancer

fleet crest
haughty lantern
#

pinkies up

zug zug chaps

shy marten
wise whale
#

Nighstreak you're from moonguard aren't you

wise whale
shy marten
#

where???

haughty lantern
wise whale
#

The shout from first boss in GB can be a 1 shot. Last boss circles from siege. The charge from 2nd boss ara-kara

nova aspen
#

every web bolt cast above a +14

wise whale
#

Dawnbreaker orbs

#

E v e r y w h e r e

shy marten
#

how exactly does an aug save you from the putrid waters from siege

wise whale
#

Who says they did

indigo elk
#

God damn should i t ake myth sikran neck over the myth umbriss? dont have any myth ring or neck atm

shy marten
#

but the claim is that there are a lot of 1 shots than you cant live without an aug

#

hence aug is op

nova aspen
#

they make the tank 20% tankier

coral ibex
#

it’s not for the dps it’s for your tank

wise whale
#

So alot of their group defensives got nerfed, it's moreso their tank defensives

nova aspen
#

most tank busters are a one shot

coral ibex
#

so the tank lives

royal lantern
#

you literally take aug for suvivalbility lol

#

not for dmg

wise whale
#

Close as clutch mates got gutted

royal lantern
#

aug is a group dmg down

wise whale
#

Blistering scales didnt

#

It's for the tank

shy marten
kindred hinge
#

Key level past a certain point just one shot harder. The difference is the damage on tank and aug help with that.

royal lantern
#

^

shy marten
#

that's like an extra 17% damage that the aug is allowing you to live

kindred hinge
#

But dPS wise it won't help you survive more

royal lantern
#

yes, blistering scales + more mainstat on tank allows them to survive more

shy marten
#

which clearly just isn't true, they only have zephyr once every 2 minutes and rescue every so often

nova aspen
#

0% chance tanks survive +15 gb without aug

royal lantern
#

without that you would stop keys on a lower level

wise whale
#

It's not that frosst

royal lantern
#

cus tanks would die

wise whale
#

So do devs. It's not rescue

#

Ebon might for healers

#

Is big

kindred hinge
royal lantern
#

ye that aswell

wise whale
#

It's not just a dps thing

shy marten
#

so this run is just fake then

#

orobably actually

#

it's a double outlaw key

wise whale
#

Kekw

shy marten
#

ok hold up

wise whale
#

You can find outliers

shy marten
wise whale
#

But they're the exception

#

Not the rule

#

You're better off looking at participation

kindred hinge
#

TBF GB is definitely one key where I would want to play with aug

shy marten
#

there's a few non-aug keys on a 15 GB

nova aspen
#

the fact remains, tanks are far tankier with an aug, and in high keys, damage is never a concern, its living

shy marten
kindred hinge
#

NW or Arakara? Nope

wise whale
#

No

shy marten
#

i wouldn't argue they aren't easier to execute with

#

but to say it's not possible is a lie

wise whale
#

I'm saying they're much easier with an aug

shy marten
#

though it is true that every 16 GB does have an aug

nova aspen
#

they're also all prot paladins

gloomy heart
#

POGGERS

wise whale
#

For example Yoda's group dropped sin for fdk enh aug

wise whale
shy marten
#

but i mean i still dont see how aug is "op" unless you're doing wf keys

#

and if we're going to take meta by what wf keys run, then like you're just playing a delusional fantasy game in your head because there's barely anyone doing those key levels

#

so it should not be a concern that at the very very optimised level, there's a set comp

wise whale
#

Frosst theye op I promise

#

It's just been this way

#

Since release

shy marten
#

saying aug is op is like saying prot pala is op

#

which they are

#

but it's playable without one

wise whale
#

Aug has been that way since the dawn of history tho

shy marten
#

and for the keys that most people do it's so far from needed

cobalt sphinx
#

i don't think anyone is disagreeing with that point

shy marten
wise whale
#

Protpal showed up a couple weeks ago

#

No

uneven summit
#

!macro

cobalt sphinx
#

i don't think anyone can disagree with you so you aren't really saying anything

uneven summit
#

😦

#

!tricks

prisma monolithBOT
#

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
wise whale
#

Fire mage had their season

#

Aug has been the constant

shy marten
#

aug has been strong at the highest level but it's nowhere near as good as at the wf key level in "normal keys"

wise whale
#

I agree

shy marten
#

so aug has not really been that strong

wise whale
#

Strong is kind of an understatement tho

nova aspen
#

aug breaks all world first records

#

sooo

shy marten
nova aspen
#

what is it if not strong

cobalt sphinx
#

i think people only really care about hard keys

uneven plume
#

Has any1 ran mists yet? Did they fix the second boss snowball bug?

wise whale
#

It's op in 14s too

#

15s

shy marten
#

if you say aug is disgustingly broken for wf keys then yes

#

sure, this is true

kindred hinge
#

Still there is a difference between WF and top team meta and pug meta. Aug shine in coordinated teams... Pug are by definition not.

Having a spec that amplify your own fail and getting shafted when you fuck up is a big gamble compared to three dps where the slack can be taken if necessary (if tank survival not in equation)

shy marten
#

but i wouldn't care what is op at the world first level because it doesn't concern most of the players anyway

cobalt sphinx
#

brother you aren't really saying anything at all

shy marten
#

aug is so dog in pugs

#

i dont have a problem with a spec that does very well in a coordinated setting

cobalt sphinx
#

you're saying it doesn't matter what's op in easy content when your comp doesn't matter

wise whale
#

It was pretty oppressive in raid too

shy marten
#

not this tier

spice spire
shy marten
#

also i doubt the vast majority of people screaming that augs are op in raid actually have good enough augs and other players that aug was actually op

wise whale
#

Guess I should've italicized was

kindred hinge
#

Why are we yapping at aug btw when enh is the issue there btw? Shit turbobroken

wise whale
#

Enh can have it's time

spice spire
#

Nah enhance is chill let them have it

#

Enhance were relegated to totem bitch for patches

wise whale
#

Aug is goldshire npc

spice spire
#

They get a patch being OP as a treat

wise whale
#

Must be banished

shy marten
#

i mean this season is also a season where aug is in the game, ofc they fuck up the tuning when a new type of role is introduced

#

they also ofc make it op so people want to play it

wise whale
#

Not for 3 straight tiers

shy marten
#

it was their dragon expansion

#

to be fair

wise whale
#

I'll be here in 11.1 pinging you for tier 4

#

Et cetera

shy marten
#

i would not say augs are that oppressive in this season though

nova aspen
#

correct me if im wrong but i feel like enh has never been good until this season?

shy marten
#

they weren't big in the raid and they are only really needed in the highest of keys

#

and being needed in the highest of keys doesn't really make them OP for the regular player

#

and if you're crying that augs are OP for so long for wf keys then sure, but who cares

nova aspen
#

it has a huge impact on the community man

shy marten
#

unless you're doing WF keys you're crying about a thing that doesn't affect you

nova aspen
#

people cherry pick meta comps even if it doesnt matter

past marten
#

99.999% of the playerbase probably don't care about this "issue"

nova aspen
#

for +13s

shy marten
#

if you're doing WF keys then go cry to the other 50 players that also can do that key level

lethal turtle
wise whale
#

Do you actually main aug frosst

#

Be honest

nova aspen
#

ive been booted from 2 groups because of meta chasers

#

when that wasnt the issue

shy marten
nova aspen
#

it still impacts everyone

#

is my point

shy marten
lethal turtle
#

Sin isnt a meta spec now?

past marten
#

Sin is giga meta

shy marten
kindred hinge
#

Third melee. Not too bad tbh. Enough of route needing shroud to get good invite

shy marten
#

that sounds like a community issue not a blizzard issue

nova aspen
#

sin does fine, enh just does the funnel dps profile better

shy marten
#

though sure, they control the game so they could fix it

#

but they have a lot of other things to do too and at this stage aug isn't so bad

cobalt sphinx
deft vault
wise whale
#

Combatlog hooks etc

#

It's not just keys

lapis helm
#

we let our imp garrotes fully expire or just refresh like normal?

nova aspen
lethal turtle
#

Idk if its just me but I would rather drop a FDK before I dropped Enh or Sin in a key

kindred hinge
wise whale
lapis helm
#

k, thanks

hardy crypt
#

ive had a certain bug, idk why

deft vault
hardy crypt
#

i have skardyns macro'd to deathmark

#

and normally it worked perfectly but

royal lantern
kindred hinge
hardy crypt
#

recently skardyns keeps being on cooldown when dm comes back

spice spire
shy marten
royal lantern
cobalt sphinx
lethal turtle
spice spire
shy marten
hardy crypt
spice spire
#

NA has new affix for the week

shy marten
#

why do your keys have affixes on them sadge

kindred hinge
#

Or just give br to everyone since everyone has access to cables anyway

vast patio
#

Do you spam the meld macro or only press it once?

shy marten
#

pepehands

#

remove those affixes for 10s so true

cobalt sphinx
hardy crypt
#

yeah idk

#

10s feel worse than 12s

#

lmao

#

because of the affix

shy marten
#

things actually live long enough to do damage in 12s and 13s lol

coral ibex
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oops everyone already answered

hardy crypt
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yeah the feeling of opening on a pack and every mob has like 50m hp

vast patio
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!plater

prisma monolithBOT
hardy crypt
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makes me want to game end myself

shy marten
hardy crypt
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yup lmao

shy marten
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im like bro i've just pressed all the gcds i need

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and everything is already gone

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BRO I PLAY WITH THIS BOOMY

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HE KEEPS STARFALLING

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MY FUNNNEEELLLLLLLL

nova aspen
hardy crypt
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i hate retri and fury

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for that reason

shy marten
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ret is such a pad spec lmao

wise whale
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Fucks up our funnel

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Oh well

hardy crypt
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yeah