assassination

[wispy epoch]

I’d actually prefer this

Skilled gameplay

[royal lantern]

like, CB is not a ability that should be buffed, CB should honestly just not exist in the first place, shity as fuck 2004 filler ability that somehow got put into the modern tree cus they had no idea what else to be put in lol

[grim jay]

Outlaw player likes skilled gameplay

[pearl steppe]

hey when i switch to stealth i get my stealth ability bar which is fine

but when i unstealth

the bar is not switching back

like it used to

[shy creek]

Do you have subterfuge

[pearl steppe]

anyone know what i messed up?

[royal lantern]

read subterfuge

[pearl steppe]

is that in talents

[shy creek]

Yes

[wispy epoch]

Ecksdee

[pearl steppe]

ooh I see

[pearl steppe]

hm

[royal lantern]

everytime somebody says that, its for the dumbrst things ever

like, every single time

[pearl steppe]

that's kinda annoying

[shy creek]

I suggest you make your stealth bar and normal bar the same

[pearl steppe]

yeah can you teach me how to do that

sry im a returning player

[shy creek]

Just place the abilities in the same order that you would in the other bar

[sullen monolith]

hey guys! I found on a streamer a rupture tracker:
It shows how many mobs are in combat and how many has rupture! I absolutely love it! Do you know where can i find it?

[royal lantern]

go into stealth and put the same abilitys in the same Spot?

[wispy epoch]

Ask the streamer

[pearl steppe]

oh I thought you meant put them on a new bar

I see what you're saying now

[shy creek]

Mhm

[sullen monolith]

hes busy in the key atm 😄

[wispy epoch]

Ask him after

[shy creek]

If you do find out, let me know LOL thanks

[grim jay]

Just donate and ask in the message

He will answer

[umbral sierra]

better than macro and forget u even have the button

[pearl steppe]

also i have the cut to the chase passive so a friend of mine said i can unbind slice and dice

just confirming here that's true

[abstract flower]

who is dis streamer

[pearl steppe]

and another question i had is when do people use kidney shot

[abstract flower]

when you need to kick something madge but your kick is on cd

[oak tangle]

when we need to stun something

[pearl steppe]

ah ok

[grim plover]

Let me know Then u find out

[pearl steppe]

any egregious things im missing here

[shy creek]

Yes you may unbind it

[shy creek]

Generally if there are no kicks available or if you don't want to AOE cc thme with blind

Or on things like the fox on mists, or the alarm shrill on Arakara

[oak tangle]

assuming your stealth bar has ambush, no

[knotty canopy]

Is Double vanish the play now in m+? And if playing, is it better to send a vanish with every kb (in aoe) or use to reapply dots in high keys where mobs live longer?

[oak tangle]

you can't do this

[normal mist]

Vanish CDs aren't independent

[shy creek]

Double vanish works, and the former doesn't work, but the latter idea is generally what I do if I know I wil not need vanish or im holding 2 charges

[jaunty lotus]

Question: you had some downtime and your KB came off of cooldown, but DM is still on cooldown. At what point do you decide to skip the kingsbane and wait for DM?

30 sec left on DM? 15?

[oak tangle]

i dont

[jaunty lotus]

So do you kingsbane with DM 10 sec on cooldown?

[oak tangle]

i mean i guess at that point, but you gotta ask how you got yourself there

[jaunty lotus]

Usually either downtime after a boss due to RP or a wipe

[knotty canopy]

So is it even worth to use vanish(with subter and ma) with deathmark in aoe? For dmg boost or always keep to reapply?

[normal mist]

Situational really

[shy creek]

Its hard to make the call, it depends on where its happening and why

[normal mist]

I don't play double vanish myself

[shy creek]

If its like 15 seconds probably just line it up

[oak tangle]

wat is basically purely utility

[jaunty lotus]

Is there a number where if you start the next pack at, you just decide to wait? Assuming it's a decent pack for it

[normal mist]

But usually people tend to use one charge to IC + MA and the other for utility

[shy creek]

I don't know if theres a hard line because technically speaking it shouldn't happen to begin with

[fallen arch]

U can perma silence packs almost

And chainpulling is less if an issue

[jaunty lotus]

It shouldn't, but it does

[shy creek]

Usually I check what cds are in the pack, ohw far boss is, what the next pull looks like

[oak tangle]

there is no known number because they shouldn't be getting desynced, if they do you need to make a judgement on where you can sync them up

[shy creek]

It really just has too many factors to give you a hard line on what makes sense

Yeah

[fallen arch]

Sometimes you just have to think for yourself

[jaunty lotus]

I understand that I need to resync

[fallen arch]

It’s hard

But you can do it

[knotty canopy]

ok, im nelf so i use meld to avoid mechanics. But i guess 1 charge for dmg amp and 1 to reapply sounds good then

[oak tangle]

you're asking for a number in an infinitely variable space, where it goes against literally the foundations of how sims work

[jaunty lotus]

And that is my question basically, when is it better to wait for DM or delay DM to resync?

[shy creek]

You have to make the call during the key, we simpyl don't have an answer for it

If you need it, send it

If you can hold it without losing a lot of dps, don't

For instance, if you have to desync it because of an earlier pull in mists 1st boss for the damage amp, send it

If you're just pack to pack, just resync it

[jaunty lotus]

So just wing it, there isn't a number where folks would feel comfortable saying "yeah, after this much just wait generally"?

[shy creek]

Yeah

[oak tangle]

time is not the problem, upcoming content is

if they are desynced and you are coming up to a 3 pack with no big target, that will be an easy decision, if you come up to a massive pull that will be dead in 20s, then you would send kb

[jaunty lotus]

I pug so upcoming content is always randomly selected by the mind of a maniac chain puller

[shy creek]

Yeah, its annoying but its what you gotta do to adapt

[jaunty lotus]

I'm farming grim batol and each tank seems to have their own idea of what order and what packs to double pull

[novel parcel]

Yo if you find that weakaura gimme also please LOL

[shy creek]

LOL honestly just have fun with it, see what works, see what doesn't

Ngl I've learned that you can sorta guess what the tank route is depending on realm

Which is really funny

[jaunty lotus]

And then they try triple pulling, wipe and leave

[oak tangle]

there's an even more cooked option;

you have dm and kb, but do you use dm??

on one hand, it's a big aoe pack, on the other the target isn't that much of a healthy target. if you send dm you kb lasts 7s, if you dont send dm, it does it's full duration.

do you dm or no

[shy creek]

i die

[blazing summit]

Are there any tips for Assassin Rogues to deal good damage in Mists of Tirna Scithe?

[jaunty lotus]

I sometimes don't DM if a boss is coming up right after

[oak tangle]

or option c, pray to your team mates to not hit the prio target

[shy creek]

Have DM and KB up for the first damage amp so don't use it opener

You can kidney a lot of stuff in there

Its not a very hard dungeon, the only thing that sucks about it is that poison bomb sorta looksl ike the boss mechanic

[oak tangle]

my favourite, is when the first boss takes 1 min to phase cause no one uses cd's, so you're like damn i coulda used kb, and then you realise that woulda made it phase in 30s so you dont have kb for amp

[blazing summit]

I went to 15+ yesterday and the deal was really bad.

[shy creek]

Like how bad

[blazing summit]

In particular, the first boss damage was too low.

[shy creek]

What was it at

Do you have the log for it

[jaunty lotus]

Just bring a ret

[blazing summit]

How do I send log

https://ko.warcraftlogs.com/character/kr/아즈샤라/통수장인?zone=39#boss=62290

is it?

[frank radish]

Is twist the knife better than sudden demise in m+?

[shy creek]

Dungeon dependent

[shy creek]

This is just the base data, if its not combatlogged and uploaded, we can't see it sadly

[turbid gust]

best decisiion i did was tell the tank im playing assa so please give me restealth sometimes. he listened.

[oak tangle]

LIES

[blazing summit]

ok

[shy creek]

To elaborate a little bit, in low keys you want sudden demise more often to begin with cuz things die faster

buti n higher keys, its a bit more dependent on how big the packs are, so in a key like necrotic twist the knife wont get as much value cuz theres not much ST as like CoT

[umbral sierra]

after u tipped him 20k gold

[turbid gust]

nono. he wasnt from hyjal so it was free

[frank radish]

Fair! Ty

[floral reef]

can u still do the 1 hour tricks respec thingy

[primal quest]

whats the tricks thingy?

[floral reef]

that u select the 1hr tricks in sub tree, use it, respec and have it as assa

but i swear i read somewhere that it got fixed

maybe im dreaming about patch notes

cos i cant find it now

[turbid gust]

just try it? 🙂

[storm cloak]

Is Kings bane as important now a days as it was last expac?

[abstract flower]

none of those work to drink the tempered potion what do i do wrong?

[vivid lodge]

Can u cloak the pull mechanic from queen hc in phase „1.5“?

[balmy condor]

what rank tempered potion are you using

[balmy condor]

no

[abstract flower]

2 ^^ i9 just changed the number in the one macro will try it out now 😄

but why does the first one not work?

also could you post the shiv macro again ?

its not in your guide

[balmy condor]

cause macros are shit

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[balmy condor]

world of warcraft is inherently a shit game

with spaghetti

that's kinda the nature of any live-service game

mmo or not

there is always going to be infinite janky shit

and that's just how it be

[still stirrup]

Spaghetti is everywhere

Cheese strings for banks

[floral reef]

im at work

[leaden veldt]

Hey, can someone help me analyze this log?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wAZxnGhbcMYmPB4L#fight=23&type=damage-done&source=399&translate=true
From what I understand from the specc most stuff is being done correct, yet the log is still indicating there is a lot of room for improvement.

[floral reef]

figured maybe someone knew

[cobalt sphinx]

you were stunned for 20 seconds

that's a pretty big dps loss

[still stirrup]

Your kill time is quite long too

[fallen arch]

Ye kill it in a minute faster and your log is up by thousands of ranks

It is ded just before your 2 minute comes off cd which is bad

[still stirrup]

Rash is not great either if you get any of the mechanics

[fallen arch]

Your teammates need to get gudder

[oak tangle]

@abstract flower i posted this for someone earlier today, if you wanna use the item id you have to pick the right one of the 3

[abstract flower]

yah im just confused that the name one doestn work

i made the item id one work now

[cobalt sphinx]

fan the adds more and don't get stunned

also you miss a kingsbane from not using it on cd, i think the timing works so that you should be able to use it on cooldown

[leaden veldt]

Alright, thanks all for the help!

[still stirrup]

And yea, dont get webbed lol

[subtle tundra]

i really like these talents for m+ ngl
222223
deeper really strong for aoe

might try 2232223

[agile geode]

as a true italian i shave myself with spagetti

[blazing totem]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[marsh falcon]

is crippling poison ineffective in m+?

[surreal veldt]

Hey. Just asking a quick question out there : Planning to do both raiding and M+. When it comes to weapons enchantments, depths seems to be the go to for raid, Radiant for M+. I'm planning to play both M+ and raids, what would be the go to ? 'Cause switching enchants between each raids and dungeons will be a pain.

Alright, thanks

[molten flicker]

dont go depths

[surreal veldt]

ah

[balmy condor]

yeh don't go depths

if you're gonna do both take power

[royal lantern]

why should it be? it works

[molten flicker]

radiant power bis in slot

[surreal veldt]

Okok !

[balmy condor]

depths sucks in aoe but is only marginally better in single target

power is just more well rounded

[surreal veldt]

Alright, thanks y'all 🙂

[still stirrup]

Ignore me

[royal lantern]

depths makes my weekly Vault sim better

so depths it is

those 0,12% are important

[marsh falcon]

idk that's why I am asking, every top rogue in m+ I watch doesn't have crippling applied, I guess they don't want mobs slowed before stacking?

[molten flicker]

good guess

[marsh falcon]

[surreal veldt]

Another question. Does someone have a WA for Clear the witness ? I sometimes forgot to use it when it comes to ST, using mutilate instead of FoK.

Kinda new to sin, getting used to it

[marsh falcon]

whispyr wa has a tracker for it built in

[surreal veldt]

Alright, thanks !

[molten flicker]

!WA:2!1z1ZpTXXx8ySQsKZfcnncstrU0gutpqah(vstAkRXKqfX2ATbsLAL3z3DS3jz9mtMzwWo9urQsC2N6LEXNBVyP(pa)fSYQ)f4tFp89e)f03m7AtOQShG38(97nV5ZZz2zM2Z4pJ)Pl3N4XO1yrcpCg3JrTy7UDp0Q2LFn5fL3u0PsZMsSkZaK)BIKkS)Ri0PeDNWL6fWevzeQYTyPY1lzp0JXc9zhtRDmHJDoB8Xs(TWbw6y5CIsqA1clKLxuKsE6NkKCCy4U(2R(4clVEpuKarrTXY76U6ABSYgBomsIBOykC7YaBNHTWuSG4vlGDCf6iP5FftJLTXYC8BPT5sk60Z4gbY7ToNOjJOeLZinfYvYeUVI5JDgjJCXhHPQArnBs6mSrXTQvVrT9lwSuTA99XUa76D5yXllTx1D2FplfCWwNYfeGRmj4aTptRjhre14pluKI1ZWvRuglD4D5HOUyHTrd(CJlI8vfSwcSuM)RQPn4b9Mu92f2yZcpEOaJcRnXxdNeqt8pjn2YCMQtAUG3xxTN4djQIWOl8O1MuPvfyOsTRvT0E71)cLJxuaPsfAyxOZrtVSYnWNiFte1trocxar7YVfYqxprUUh(hx7CyMalOOWdGBAiA)(iEAbLmS9137At1drjTn5Y62sfsOoiEElkJIpbJKyDlo(PNPjRPeyAlvW1hoo5BO75cjggO8LUCWVyLvtKp2QnIq3j(BVE88Xpn(5XFx8ZIFQBtcLidoWWdoRfRfTvSfCFkrkTxXbIJsY173h6l24waP8j3jE(HWrxyMPLGfr9pDo(8kChvdZFAYeqj0G3qrAJtpLP3e5lCFop)vPDBMFdDGDgzekXHnnVLS2A)6v4FSHPEKr3J8oK4RcS2coEEIRiDW(gM)c)lVQieIBH862OziJjcoZOG(DmPz34B0xWuqWRdmTkxPCj(C)hEjHWw7m)45fqJqlN)GRkG(DHhFeVgQa4kjagLZ23OLhlKj((SV85))Fu)v(Lp))9B6VFnBVuVqv9l1rFrkpg1LptshjabVfEDkCZLy(dJzo9hWSOjkzYKj7qd3Jzc)dfi(jhMsK0coIijUHyNuB)auS4Bmm50y3pCs2zEXxz)67TB5sxWTg594pl1Mj55NFvDhO88i6jSSnh6cPew0GzSjB8890dzgENLkYBs1mkLZ4eFq6zmGQYVvT3fHe487efgM)WaIcpwSesUSUbysRavrRqgY)0BBWj4yLlsPcXbgarn6KiGpJM2lejLqlXxdM4Li3WZXoeul8UlS(YwAhFh72rHksoJggrbUkuiaMSORKqBfIVzCN7CthBJ1lg)Z22vEX(LI7KZs7zGX1J78ehhh(NaPC7gUmAKK43a)UicNJ9T2yLcRp6YPdyu9PJ7S4Qt7uFANKeMYuj4EVLcyvjG5xCoyiHcqlupSbXiNP8pchq8cX7tcgzs8gm4QfPyI7UWZE2Ol7Wz)OHNXNtB1)zwgiEpGxb4StXNguAR01KWIsuNa3eKuxsBotOStFdaFdi0KbdyuyXbaPhUKggw6WNL0IYe4kCTmPHBjHGjKo91yDed7CdbybyIlvRC)7ytOb9fg8ldi6nler8hi2GdWXBxDTTckejc53lqP4YN8WhQ36VeH9WjR9F4kBEEYi9ocyzI2hU1kAxQuzBuipaLfq8VqCvy4JQc43E8UEnIY2ejcMu9DCL42W0L9JwALLwZ69mw7QzxEPhf)fo9vmVua3zZ8N)1ceF(NumeJe5vb48hsuualalZxWCppEViSDXwdzoOPo2WIbKcL1(ynoyXZFlgZ3spOOS19whxOL1K0kNGq1rchCXVJb1zkHETf0(wp(BYfVDolyhHYSCtVrExW0zpO6pDY4QYP3e854BmJ0DTLwzJLwBMJ(7x)p)

[balmy condor]

hello mods?

this guy is uploading a virus

[marsh falcon]

i clicked this now my guild bank is empty...

[chilly canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/hacker-hackerman-kung-fury-gif-7953536

[surreal veldt]

Will go with the whispyr one, but thanks anyway 🙂

[balmy condor]

[molten flicker]

it's the same one

[balmy condor]

TAKE THAT COMIC MAN

[molten flicker]

I am using his pack 😦

[surreal veldt]

Ah xD

[royal lantern]

sounds kinda troll cus that just 2% less dmg lol

[marsh falcon]

wut

[west crown]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[silver wyvern]

Why APL's opener for DeathStalker and wowhead guide so different than each other ? Which one should we follow ?

[molten flicker]

when I sim trinkets for dungeon slice I get that the ovinax egg trinket at 626 beats my kara kara sacbrood at 639, anyone able to share opinions on which I should go for? @balmy condor 🙂

[silver wyvern]

I ask that question a lot and what i find is you have to micromanage ovinax to be that good. If you are not constantly keep an eye on it it loses value

[umbral sierra]

petition to let rogues apply poison while eating food buff

[novel ether]

On the damaging side, Without a Trace is a huge DPS loss of multiple percent and is never recommended. You can, however, still take it if you deem it absolutely necessary for Iron Wire timings throughout the dungeon or to immune/cheese various mechanics.
What does this mean and why is it the recommended talent for m+ then? (wowhead guide)

[subtle tundra]

wheres this from

cause its old information

[molten flicker]

ask whisperman

[novel ether]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/mythic-plus-dungeon-tips right past the first table

(with the dungeon specific builds)

[subtle tundra]

@balmy condor are you sure this is correct?

babe

[iron carbon]

This sentence isn't updated yet cause we had Subterfuge buffed last patch so it becomes less bad to take WaT for utility

Cause subterfuge is a good talent now

[royal lantern]

lethal dose

crippling is a poison effect

[novel ether]

is it just less bad or is it absolutely what everyone picks nowadays

[silver wyvern]

And also build are not update probably because they don't have SB in them.

[molten flicker]

I think it's great

I use without a trace to great effect in m+

[royal lantern]

its good now

[silver wyvern]

İf i know the tank i will go for supercharge and lethalitly. If tank is a pug i go safer route and get SF and extra vanish due to they love chain pulls

[novel ether]

i hate them for it 😔

[balmy condor]

can you do me a favor and open the page using a different browser

like edge or whatever

[balmy condor]

builds are updated

[silver wyvern]

i use opera what do you need whispyr ?

[subtle tundra]

subterfuge + WaT is really good

[novel ether]

oh you think its caching?

its caching

[silver wyvern]

Is there any spesific reason for not taking SB than ?

[balmy condor]

its worse

[balmy condor]

words changed and good?

[novel ether]

all good now, good hustle gang

[balmy condor]

amen

[subtle tundra]

youre a smartie pants

[silver wyvern]

wierd. I will try them tonight but last i checked i was pretty sure m+ builds has SB 😄

[balmy condor]

what m+ builds

[royal lantern]

there are 500 different "m+ builds"

that all do almost the same thing

[silver wyvern]

Whispyr i also wonder why APL and wowhead opener are so different than each other for Deathstalker

[wise whale]

Dont try to mimic the APL

[silver wyvern]

wowhead guides

[balmy condor]

none of the hybrid builds have it, cleave and bleed still do but aren't recommended

the recommended builds don't have sanguine

[balmy condor]

I don't know where to begin on this

[sharp viper]

https://tenor.com/view/young-bucks-gif-7266789149756718550

[balmy condor]

so I'm just gonna say uh

are you a robot?

if you're not a robot

stop looking at APL

[sharp viper]

oh shit, he is onto you

run

[wise whale]

I wanna see elon musk play wow

[sharp viper]

https://tenor.com/view/bb8-star-wars-gif-25799053

[silver wyvern]

gotcha. I was just wondering the reason no worries 😄

[balmy condor]

sims aren't perfect, they're not designed to be, nor are they supposed to be

[marsh falcon]

u think elon could time a 10 key?

[sharp viper]

but you are 😘

[wise whale]

Anyone can time a 10 key

[balmy condor]

elon does 150 pit runs in diablo I would assume he's able to time a 10

or at least hire people

[royal lantern]

he would hate on trans people and then pays somebody to do it

[balmy condor]

to farm him 636 gear

and then go do a 10

[wise whale]

Elon is simulationcraft

[royal lantern]

?

[balmy condor]

Elon is a dumbfuck

but like

is what it is

[marsh falcon]

idk what a 150 pit run is

[wise whale]

What class would he be

[royal lantern]

im a dumbfuck

Elon is a piece of human garbage

[balmy condor]

big number end game content slammer jammer

[wise whale]

I feel frost mage

Mechagnome mage

[balmy condor]

he's playing a plate class for sure

[wise whale]

Ehhhhhhhhhh

[rare isle]

Taruen diabolist demonology warlock

[royal lantern]

Human Male Warrior/Paladin

what else lol

[balmy condor]

like he's the unholy player that presses his cooldowns and then spends 2 minutes beating his meat to the size of his details bar

[sharp viper]

that is pretty gay

[wise whale]

No to paladin he doesnt seem like the support type

[proud jolt]

After seeing his abomination of an elden ring character. He'd play a weaponless warrior or some shit

[warm vortex]

Good morning everyone

Hope we are all well

[balmy condor]

bed time actually

work

[warm vortex]

Lmao

[balmy condor]

9 more days

I will survive

[warm vortex]

What time is it for you acc

You will

[balmy condor]

2am

[royal lantern]

until?

[warm vortex]

Bro why are you awake

[sharp viper]

can you set details to only update once every 3 minutes so he stays on top?

[warm vortex]

It’s 10AM for me

Also hi ty

[balmy condor]

I quit job at bowling alley

20th is my last day

[rare isle]

You csn

[cobalt haven]

Jewel City bowl rip

[wise whale]

Whispyr do you even like bowling

[balmy condor]

the problem with this is that you would need to update it quicker than that in order to get the big coom opener

wdym do I even like bowling

I bowl 3-4 times a week

[warm vortex]

Also do you guys like paying ST fatebound? I prefer DS as it feels much more consistent

[wise whale]

Jesus

[warm vortex]

Bowling is hella fun

[royal lantern]

oh ok?

new job opportunity or.....?

[marsh falcon]

bowling is pog

[wise whale]

He typed that out so fast

[balmy condor]

I've been bowling 19 years

I'm fucking 25

tf you mean do I like bowling

[wise whale]

Wait wot

[warm vortex]

I remember seeing a video of using bowling balls for different sports

[warm vortex]

Blud you’ve been bowling longer than I’ve been alive

[wise whale]

Sry bro you dont got a wikipedia page yet didnt know

Yet****

[balmy condor]

idk I yap about bowling a lot

[warm vortex]

You just yap

[balmy condor]

true actually

[warm vortex]

Apparently

[wise whale]

Im here for the whispyr wiki arc

[sharp viper]

somehow set the details update rate to 3 minutes after 30s into combat

[warm vortex]

Because I’ve not rlly seen that

[rare isle]

Do you even bowl, bro?

[balmy condor]

https://www.wowhead.com/diablo-4/news/diablo-4-midseason-campfire-chat-on-tuesday-november-12-at-11-a-m-pst-349658?utm_source=discord-webhook

that's your hint

[warm vortex]

I remember people saying when Assa isn’t meta you yap
But every time I see you whysp you look like your ready to just die

With everyone asking the same shit

[rotund oak]

dont tell me u are younger than 19?!

[sharp viper]

whispyr full time diablo 4 streamer confirmed

[warm vortex]

I’m 19 in nearly a month

[rare isle]

I killed Queen with a pug last night, AMA

[warm vortex]

What is your favourite flavour of ice cream

[sharp viper]

https://tenor.com/view/so-old-gif-27277116

[rotund oak]

[rotund oak]

😅

[wise whale]

Saving private whispyr

[warm vortex]

As I’ve said before some people have wow chars older than me

[sharp viper]

he is younger than the game we are playing

[rare isle]

Plain vanilla with crushed oreos ontop

[warm vortex]

X)

[royal lantern]

you took over Diablo4 stuff aswell and do fulltime wowhead now?

[warm vortex]

Nice haven’t had ice cream in ages since I changed my diet
Chocolate chip mint was the shit

[proud jolt]

Great someone just walked over my grave with that sentence

[rare isle]

My warrior and warlock is turning 20 next year

[rotund oak]

:wishes for the best in ur new steps

[deep breach]

its finally over

[warm vortex]

Yippee

Is it mythic or from dungeon

[rare isle]

Its not a bad one!

[warm vortex]

It is yea

[deep breach]

dungeon

[warm vortex]

Atm I literally eat like 3 meals

So ice cream is rare for me

Btw how is everyone on mythic prog
I killed sikran with guild last night and felt happy but people are still far ahead

I’m just happy my first w boss parses were ok

[rare isle]

Broodtwister at 4%, so getting there

[silver wyvern]

i swear this bad boy never drops. 30 ish run and still haven't seen one for myself. ( meanwhile ench shaman gets is with leech -.- )

[royal lantern]

1 of the best ways to kill your joy ib mythic raiding is looking at guilds on higher ranks and meassure yourself there without any context

[molten flicker]

just get it in vault 🙂

[deep breach]

it was near 60 runs for me

[fickle light]

has anyone done mythic silken?

[warm vortex]

Dude I do that by looking at logs

Mine atm

[deep breach]

i didnt even get it. i brough my shaman friend and made her roll enhance. she got in first key we did

[royal lantern]

like, reminder that the far majority of guilds in the wr100-250range just raid 4x a week 3hours everytine, which ofc means they are "faster"

[molten flicker]

yes, several people actually

[warm vortex]

If it’s purple it’s fine but I see people w much higher

[warm vortex]

True we do one mythic day atm

[fickle light]

have you, i just have a question thats all

[warm vortex]

So we get 3 hours of mythic a week

[silver wyvern]

i did the same thing resto and ele shammy's both goes for ench loot spec still nothing 😄

[warm vortex]

Tbh it makes me happy cause I know I can improve but when I feel like I did super well and my parses say shit I feel bad

[rotund oak]

dont wanna indimidate you or anything but im double ur age and then some

[subtle tundra]

if youve just now killed mythic sikran youre like... very behind on mythic things

pugs have been killing it since week 2-3

[royal lantern]

you killed the boss ONCE and got a 61, thats great lol

[rare isle]

Exactly, top 100 guilds had more time in mythic day two of mythic release than you have right now. Don't sweat it, you're doing good!

[umbral sierra]

ight what is the worst key this season and why

[subtle tundra]

none i like all

! ! !

[royal lantern]

siege cus siege ptsd

[subtle tundra]

theres some really difficult ones, but thats a different story

[rare isle]

Siege, cuz last boss is incredibly unentertaining design wise

[subtle tundra]

going to a mists is very different thing than going to a grimba/stonevault

[fickle light]

well anyone thats done mythic silken as melee/assa did your guild have you fully leave melee range for dispells

mine did and it was fucking awful

[warm vortex]

lol

[balmy condor]

I love talking to people about assa and I love the spec and the class and theorycrafting and guide writing and educating and all that whatever words you wanna use. Big fan, 10/10, I've done hundreds of log reviews and shit for free all that nonsense whatever

what I do NOT like is having to argue about well established factual, proven information that is readily available for everyone to find and research and see on their own just because they're 250 io higher than me and think they're the next lebron james cause they timed a 13 last week. That shit gets on my nerves.

I also don't like when people act like me and zerocool or me and casual or me and insert streamer are like mortal enemies or something when we either barely talk, or when we talk I'm helping them optimize and talking with them about their gameplay.

I ESPECIALLY don't like when they use that last point as some sort of gotcha to argue about the established factual proven information. "wowhead guide says X but I watched casual and he did Y". Yeah he's also playing legit a different game than anyone who is opening a wowhead guide, I'm not some secret casualaddict hater trying to sabotage people with shitty talent build, do you think so little of me? or like "well whispyr recommends builds but he's not an M+ player, he doesn't get it". But then they're glued to their screen watching casual simulate various situations using the sim logic that I wrote and asking me about implementations in the sims, which he then makes his choices with. That's the shit that will drive me through the roof

I love yapping, gestures vaguely at this post should be proof enough of that, but man people just want to fucking argue and swim upstream like a salmon who didn't get enough hugs growing up and that's the main crowd whenever the fotm carnival rolls into town, so yeah, I get pissy

[warm vortex]

Ah thought it was kinda meh to do that haha

[iron carbon]

You better than me on Horror, damn

[subtle tundra]

get downnn

[warm vortex]

Horror is my fight in the raid, I feel like it’s the one I’m best at

Maybe my parses are higher cause we do a thing where

2 people go far add and I’m one of them?

[royal lantern]

@subtle tundra oh and court kinda sucks

[subtle tundra]

i dont fucking KNOW

mAN

HAVENT PULLED IT ONCE

[royal lantern]

mages and blink

WHY

[subtle tundra]

i blink every couple of seconds

😒

[iron carbon]

I suck at it tbh. Maybe it depends also if you go down first or second

[subtle tundra]

yea i dont know what to discuss with you, this is shit i dont even consider on alt raid with demon characters

so uh im sorry

[balmy condor]

anyway, with that rant over. I wouldn't call it full time, but with the bowling alley being a mismanaged nightmare and the little bit of money from youtube/twitch, the money from wowhead/method assa guides, and now d4 stuff, I'll be fine. I still live at home and don't pay rent so my bills aren't that high (monster pls sponsor me I beg), but I should be good enough on my feet to take content creation as my only job

[subtle tundra]

get good logs and guild hop to better ones

[sharp viper]

that is one big problem about parses, not every strategy is the same, sometimes you are assigned a duty which causes you to lose uptime or just do less overall damage

[twin bay]

@balmy condor real ones appreciate you

[balmy condor]

and I appreciate real ones

❤️

[balmy condor]

ty king

[warm vortex]

Yea I get that
I have this one dude in my guild who is a pusher in keys. He is nice to chat to but he is very “serious” (p much always top dps with what he plays but always ALWAYS points out every mistake someone makes and gets angry a lot)

Whenever I’m on my rogue he goes “oh you shouldn’t be running sudden death” or “don’t run iron wire in pugs. Sanguin and MA does more”
Mainly because he sees casual play that stuff

Like he isn’t all negative. If I’m blasting, he will say I am. But he is just very serious

[warm vortex]

I go down first

[subtle tundra]

whats his score? just curious

[balmy condor]

those are the least fun people to play with

[subtle tundra]

everyone in my guild would take my opinion over looking at the streamers

on assa

[solar wyvern]

Same

[balmy condor]

and I'm not ashamed to say that I was that guy

[iron carbon]

Same

[balmy condor]

many years ago

[solar wyvern]

And I'm not even jesus assassin gamer

[iron carbon]

So lucky

Blasting adds under lust 😛

[royal lantern]

you where guy?

[solar wyvern]

Fieri?

[warm vortex]

Yea
I might be wrong but that’s always why “is this dps good” a difficult question for keys
What dungeon is it, what level is it, what is your group comp, what is your level, what is your talents

All of these are questions that effect it

[rare isle]

Im gonna quote kush on this here.. "Talents is just a social construct"

[balmy condor]

in like legion, I was the mfer going "hey why are you playing that, logs say you should play XYZ instead" on a class that I legit have never played in my life

I grew out of that though

[sullen fjord]

does TTK talent from assa talent tree makes our nature damage to be increased by 60% instead of 30% if 2 envenoms are applied?

[twin bay]

in my guild everyone that enjoys m+ gets shamed every given opportunity

xdd

[balmy condor]

cause I may be cringe, but those people are assholes, and that's worse

[sharp viper]

both dungeon and raids

[warm vortex]

3K main and 2.9 on an aug he is levelling.

[twin bay]

xdd

[subtle tundra]

idk on monk and pala i literally open a log, copy the build, dont ask any questions and play without a care

[balmy condor]

are you mixing up envenom and shiv?

shiv doesn't stack

[subtle tundra]

wait so he is a fucking pisser

LOL

[warm vortex]

Yea
Whenever I play I tense up and try and focus too much whi ch makes me play sloppy

[twin bay]

hahaha

[royal lantern]

envenom doesnt increase nature dmg, it increase poison application chance

and yes it does increase the poison application chance again

[raven sonnet]

Hey, do u guys put rupture on the big adds on brood mythic?

[sullen fjord]

oh, sorry i meant poison application chance

[balmy condor]

yes

[sullen fjord]

thanks 🙂

[royal lantern]

i didnt

[balmy condor]

that doubles

as does rapid injection

dashing scoundrel

[warm vortex]

Tbf he doesn’t have a pre-made
Just him and a heal that queues that

[balmy condor]

and uhhhhhhh

I think that's it

[warm vortex]

Also on parse I feel like given my ilevel I should be higher

I’m at 631 w rlly nice stats

[balmy condor]

poison app, rapid, dashing

[keen spruce]

miss me with all of that

idc how good someone is

[iron carbon]

I don't but I dunno if it's the good call

[keen spruce]

I have no time for vibe assassins

in my leisure games

[subtle tundra]

ok? and how do you guess i started out
i barely pug and mostly when i do i get asked if they can add me on bnet
if youre good, you dont get to pug for long
youre searched

[sharp viper]

you need all your time to https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1231592737221120152

[balmy condor]

bigger number better person

[warm vortex]

Yea

[raven sonnet]

Oki, do u run tempest?? Got told by raid leader to go full st feels kinda bad :/

[subtle tundra]

even when i was pushing as assa when it wasnt meta i would get added

[warm vortex]

Like I’m 2.7K rn
I wanna push higher but I’ve done like 8 12s this week
Finished about 3 and timed one

Yeye

I think I’m p decent at least

[keen spruce]

i added varas to my block list

[subtle tundra]

at that key level you can carry so hard and so much

[keen spruce]

cuz he booli me

[subtle tundra]

but you have to be good

[warm vortex]

Highest I’ve done overall is like 2.1MIL dps overall but I remember seeing someone get 2.7

[royal lantern]

check wowhead builds for the boss

you run crimson tempest and spatter, cus both do aoe dmg and also increase your ST dmg on that fight

[subtle tundra]

das alright. if i ever pug on alts, you dont want me in the group

[keen spruce]

NW and SV are big overall keys

[warm vortex]

Fair

[balmy condor]

whats your io? 3k? oh well I'm 3100
whats your salary? 90k? oh well I'm making 6 fig
whats your car? A mazda? Ha well I drive a mercedes
what's your prog? 6/8? Oh well we're on ansurek
what's your guild rank? 250? oh well I'm top 100
what's your sim? 1.3m? I'm at 1.4m

[warm vortex]

I think the dps I did that on was a
Acc I forgot but it wasn’t either

[twin bay]

3k players that are serious tend to have such a large ego as if they played wf keys themselves and never admit failure or are pleasent to be around

[warm vortex]

Fair

[sharp viper]

okay mister show off

[warm vortex]

I feel like I’m better when I’m laid back

[keen spruce]

but honestly overall dps is actually one of the less important things until you get up to like 15s?

[sharp viper]

didn't know wowhead paid 6 figures

[balmy condor]

my transmogs will never be as good as yours

[balmy condor]

[tacit otter]

How long do you do bowling? 18 Years? oh well im at 19 years

[subtle tundra]

2 groups with people from my guild got into mdi grand finals, whats your guild doing in mdi? pisser

[balmy condor]

OKAY BUDDY

[sharp viper]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-stop-it-blushing-shucks-say-more-gif-874064050021273187

[warm vortex]

It’s kinda how I feel when I see people like getting 99 logs here
I just think I should be like that jsnsjdjdks

Not factoring in everything

[rare isle]

My dad is stronger than your dad

[warm vortex]

Tbh I’d log my keys but I don’t wanna use the app

Cba

[balmy condor]

alternate universe heelvsbabyface where he isn't a dipshit

[subtle tundra]

im so fucking sad man we had 2x16 grimba and didnt manage to time it yesterday...........

[sharp viper]

I think I am glad that I have no clue who that is

[warm vortex]

And tbf
I remember trying a 10 instead of a 12 and loving it compared to the 12s but I felt bad as I’m not pushing rating

[subtle tundra]

hard ass key

[royal lantern]

allright, thats the "you should stop" moment

like, legit

[warm vortex]

Like I wanna try weird builds at some point (just to see the feels) but I also wanna try and push rating but every time I do it just get demoralised

Yea true but then I see the people higher and get a bit down

But then I do raid and see my dps and I’m like :0

[subtle tundra]

think your mental is pulling you down

[warm vortex]

Yea, could be
But the reason I’m getting demoralized is like
Waiting 20 min to get into a 12 then we wipe pre boss to something I can’t control

Or overtiming a key by 5 seconds or so

[subtle tundra]

ok but thats gonna happen regardless

all the time

[rare isle]

Good life lesson, you can't control most things. And there will always be people performing better than you

[twin bay]

yes

casualaddict depleted 12s aswell when they where hard for him

[warm vortex]

Yeye but yknow it just makes me not wanna do it

[twin bay]

thats completly normal

[balmy condor]

maybe I'm a wow boomer

tldr is he was a wow news youtuber person in like wod/legion and then trump ran for president and he jumped on the VIDEO GAMES ARE WOKE train like asmongold and just dived off a fucking cliff and started spouting a bunch of bigoted nonsense and had a brief period where he was basically a rage react streamer and he would just watch a 30 second clip and then turn it into a 15 minute alt-right political rant and now he's just in the slums of hate-posting youtube where none of the game he ever plays are good and all of them are way too liberal and woke and the world has gone to shit and the new generation is going to destroy the world

[subtle tundra]

weak mental

[royal lantern]

remember that all that shit doesnt matter

most of the wannabe pro m+ guys fail 20000keys and then jerk themself off cus they timed one and number goes up and they are 2,9k now

and all of that while being angry at the game 24/7

[warm vortex]

But then you see people like the dude I mentioned earlier get 2.9K in a week on an alt in pugs

[warm vortex]

:(

[warm vortex]

Yea fair

[subtle tundra]

when i was your age id queue as assa in lfg when meta was 2-3x outlaw

per group

[warm vortex]

Sooooo
3 weeks ago?

Jkjk

[subtle tundra]

filthy exploiters should've been perma'd btw

[warm vortex]

Had some ppl saying they shouldn’t have been banned
I feel like they should have. The bug was smth you went out of your way to do

[royal lantern]

but yeha, the best thing you can do

is stop giving a fuck about score or worldranks or whatever

push until you like the content you are doing, and then be happy there

[warm vortex]

Also, I kinda wanna level my alts rn, because if I get them all max. I can make a nice bit of money from them without much effort once they are 80 (x1 superb fang per day)

[warm vortex]

Yuh true

Like I’m trying arms for the first time and enjoying it even if it’s doing lower content

[balmy condor]

blizzard not punishing exploiters so then people exploit harder the next time which makes it harder to punish the exploit so then more people exploit and it turns into a game of who can exploit the earliest the hardest and abuse bleeding edge 1-day bugs without any repercussions?

nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, that couldn't be

[rare isle]

Didn't they make a stand against exploiters this season?

And ban like half the RWF players?

For a fee days

[balmy condor]

For 3 days lmao

And it wasn’t even 3 days that meant anything

[royal lantern]

im a bit pissed how many guilds went past us cus of the outlaw bug tbh

[warm vortex]

Also does anyone do this? Genuinely seems like it could be pretty good

[balmy condor]

It was 3 days during heroic splits

[rare isle]

Yes but still, it felt like a "It's 3 days warning now. But do it next tier and you miss the tier"

[balmy condor]

Outlaw abusers got AT MOST 2 weeks, and the vast majority got nothing

[warm vortex]

Yea the QA this expansion has been dreadful

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s fucking cope

[warm vortex]

It shouldn’t be even been a thing

[balmy condor]

Blizzard hasn’t punished exploits basically at all over the last decade

[subtle tundra]

remember when echo won a tgp by exploiting(PF plagueborers snap)

[balmy condor]

I’d like to hope that the 3 days and the outlaw bans were warning shots

But blizzard has many many many many years ahead where they need to actually tighten the screws more and more

[warm vortex]

But yea as I was saying earlier I wanna try some weird builds. Like I remember playing one that led into supercharger and that felt fun

[balmy condor]

Because the erosion in the community that they’ve allowed

Is actually horrid

[subtle tundra]

in m+?

[balmy condor]

“Abuse early abuse often” isn’t a saying because blizzard is strict

[warm vortex]

Actually whisp, what’s the most enjoyable build for you at the moment

[balmy condor]

[warm vortex]

Yea

[umbral sierra]

hey whispyr

[subtle tundra]

you mean giving up subterfuge, a talent that actually gives something gameplay wise, for a talent thats passive?

[balmy condor]

Enjoyable or just genuinely whacky

[subtle tundra]

and thats fun?

[warm vortex]

One for both

[umbral sierra]

ik what u said about the shiv tea macro thing earlier but i saw a guy saying never shiv in aoe bc it doesnt make caustic do more dam

[subtle tundra]

idk subterfuge is so fucking nice

[warm vortex]

Felt fun :D

Yeye but it’s a change

[umbral sierra]

just wanted ur thoughts

[warm vortex]

And it’s nice to switch it up sometimes

[balmy condor]

Aight I’m in bed but I got you

[warm vortex]

Oh yea I’m so sorry I forgot it was like 2am

Timezones

[subtle tundra]

nah

he is in bed with me

[final star]

[subtle tundra]

we cozy

[warm vortex]

:D

Just two rogues chillin

[balmy condor]

That’s correct, but “never” is a bit of hyperbole. It’s not worth after like 4 targets or something, but it’s still worth it for prio damage for example. It’s also worth it always if you’re playing arterial precision (like in raid aoe)

[warm vortex]

Some thistle tea and relaxation

[subtle tundra]

i finally got myself an actual blanket and now i dont fucking die of cold during the night

(i was too lazy to get it)

[warm vortex]

Did you sleep without a blanket????

[dawn heath]

its so fucking funny how kush played night elf and now everyone is a night elf rogue people jumped off the dwarf train

[subtle tundra]

it was very thin

[dawn heath]

speed yarrgi swapped off dwarf

[warm vortex]

People are boring and play elfs

The horde isn’t a mix of bloodthirsty races. It’s a group of blood elf’s with some orcs here and there

[rare isle]

My rogue has been human since i made it in wrath, and will continue to be human.

[normal mist]

Good choice

[umbral sierra]

i see, how long u gonna be up for ik u said ur in bed but i just logged a sv if u wanted to look through it. i assume we upload logs in here yeah?

[warm vortex]

Oh hi royal

[normal mist]

Hi Vendeten, hope you're having a nice day

[umbral sierra]

so in aoe should i just manual pop a tea for more aoe dam? i also find the prio targets die too quickly for me to do a full mark and kb

[balmy condor]

I'll thread it and maybe I'll look tomorrow when its slow at work or make quake look at it or something

[balmy condor]

you can yeah

it's more of an arterial thing

[royal lantern]

you know how to THIS DAY the first heroic LK kill is still kinda controversial with the choice to take the kill credit away because of an exploit

and you STILL read "yeha but the bombs where part of the dps rotation!!!"

yeha cool, they where, but its not part of the dps rotation to throw bombs into nothing at all and conviniently have multiple people do that

[balmy condor]

and less of a general aoe thing

but it's still fine to do without arterial

arterial just makes it like REALLY good

[umbral sierra]

gotcha. im also only in +8s bc my ilvl is low so it may be a mob hp thing im unsure

[balmy condor]

without arterial it's just like fine or whatever

[warm vortex]

I am, going home earlier than usual in uni
Imma try and level my like 15 alts to max and try a gold thing

[normal mist]

Pog which gold thing

[warm vortex]

Btw Whispyr what do you think of CS as Assa’s aoe method

Idk

I just think that like

[rare isle]

Do you guys just macro trinkets/tea/pots etc into DM or how do you use them?

[warm vortex]

If I can get one superb fang a day

On all my chars

I’d make bank

[vestal cliff]

hello people, can someone explain me why people say that the nelf racial is very good for rogues?

[royal lantern]

stat trinket with DM

tea with shiv

thats it tbh

[royal lantern]

cus they are stupid

and think its vanish

[vestal cliff]

XD

[umbral sierra]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZvQhL1pwCar86z3W#fight=last&type=damage-done
1 log it logged two keys but i wanna look at the stone vault

[warm vortex]

Play whatever race you want

[vestal cliff]

can you go stealth if you shadowmeld before? if in combat?

[warm vortex]

It’s an rpg

[subtle tundra]

I can flame you

[umbral sierra]

both

[warm vortex]

Why don’t you just use stealth in that case

[umbral sierra]

YEAH BUT IRON WIRE IS IN THAT BUILD I USED

[vestal cliff]

cant use stealth in combat

[rare isle]

You can't on bosses iirc

But trashmobs it should work most of the time

[royal lantern]

only in non-boss fights and its wonky as hell

and even if it works, its not really a gain anyway

[umbral sierra]

#showtooltip Shadowmeld
/cast Shadowmeld
/cast !Stealth

u can smeld and stealth in combat as a psudo vanish but you have to use the macro 2x and if ur not quick enough u may not drop combat to get the stealth

[royal lantern]

like, shitelf is not better or worse then everything else

and reminder that race doesnt matter anyway

[umbral sierra]

this will NOT work on bosses only on trash

[umbral sierra]

debatable for some modes of wow

[vestal cliff]

yeah but i wondered because some people say nelf is too good and i didnt understand

[umbral sierra]

but generally yeah play what looks good cough elves cough

[royal lantern]

i can gurantee you that 99,999999999999% of people asking about races dont play on a level where they matter the slightest

[umbral sierra]

nelf just lets u get a restealth in some trash packs and or use it between trash

[umbral sierra]

in pve no they are not, i agree with u

[royal lantern]

disregard everything you read about wow classes outside of class discords

[umbral sierra]

besides nelf wouldnt buff ur dps in a raid anyways

[rare isle]

For raiding go human or robognome i guess, if you care about the 0.1% (number found in ass) racials give you

[warm vortex]

Guys I just lost my earbuds adapter thing (let’s me connect my earbuds to my phone as they removed the headphone jack)

:(

[mellow goblet]

How much dmg are you supposed to do in mono with the actual talent for m+ ? i really feel like i cant upscale my mono dmg on +10 runs and i feel really under my allies atm, running average of 700-850k on boss with 0 adds

[subtle tundra]

@umbral sierra can you tell me why your first kingsbane was 2 min and 30 seconds into the key
whats your thought process

[umbral sierra]

until 11.0.7 drops and u gotta reroll zandalar and or maghar

[subtle tundra]

and so is dm

you missed 2 casts of kb and 1 of dm

for, no reason

[umbral sierra]

uh prio target of first pull was melting from war so i thought it would be wasted

[subtle tundra]

doesnt matter

[warm vortex]

What dungeon was this

SV?

[umbral sierra]

ye

[rare isle]

Then you still stay human because racials is just memes anyway

[warm vortex]

Even then can’t you just use it on a golem after first big pull

[royal lantern]

you know, its funny cus thats not true aswell

if you care about race in raiding rn, its Gnome cus of Queen roots

and the fact how little people know that in the first place shows how pointless racial discussions are

[subtle tundra]

he can

schtabby, rule nr1 of m+ pugs/while learning is to use CDs on CD

[umbral sierra]

can we go back to vanilla where if u were priest but not specifically a dwarf priest you wernt allowed to raid

[vestal cliff]

human was so nice for rep but now its meh

[warm vortex]

Again play what you want

Also whysper my guy sleep please

[rare isle]

Please no

[royal lantern]

90% of "racial discussions" are people talking shit they saw somewhere 5years ago and repeat it

[warm vortex]

It helps recover mental

[umbral sierra]

im memeing

[vestal cliff]

im playing nerubian rogue when it comes out

[rare isle]

Yes very true

[warm vortex]

Omg classic was so much better!!!!! It actually mattered!!/!/!!

[umbral sierra]

its weird bc the assa cds dont feel like "cds" like other classes do. it doesnt make me feel all that more powerful so i think thats why im just holding them for bosses bc im like back of head thinking "this would be a waste if i dont get full 16 seconds of dm and 14 of kb and hit 50 stacks

[royal lantern]

hot trick inc:

get the pickpocket glyph, and pickpocket 1 of the warlords in Askhahet

and enter the raid

with people using prisms

[warm vortex]

???????

[umbral sierra]

ethereals playable when

[royal lantern]

20x big boy bettle party

[vestal cliff]

sounds fun

[warm vortex]

If your Assa CDs don’t feel strong you are using them wrong

[umbral sierra]

i press true shot and my rotation feels different abilities slam, i hit berserking i hit meta i hit tyrant on lock etc

[royal lantern]

its simple

almost every single CD in the game is a self buff

deathmark is a debuff lol

[umbral sierra]

this is prob the issue im having tbh

[warm vortex]

Yea but still

[umbral sierra]

also my aug is saying for somereason her addons for cds dont show when i even use kb or dm for her to prio buff me kek

[warm vortex]

I mean I guess it doesn’t change your rotation or abilities

[subtle tundra]

why tf you playing with aug in +8s 😭

[rare isle]

Because she is tracking buffs, not CDs

[umbral sierra]

i feel their power in pvp (ik its memed on stfu) but i just dont feel that same burst in the cds for pve

[balmy condor]

disclaimer that I'm not saying either of these builds are good, I'm just saying whats enjoyable and then giving a whacky one.

The first picture is what I think is the most fun, big fan of subterfuge, big fan of lightweight shiv, big fan of ttk+dashing, love the synergy. Bone spike feels great. It's just a lot of feel good talents

The second picture is actually pretty playable lowkey but the entire idea is do opener, press CT, press shiv, BIG KABOOM SHIV DAMAGE, BIG KABOOM ENVENOM SPATTER

And I'll throw a personal favorite of mine in for free cause it's similar, but the ovi'nax raid build in my opinion is just insanely good in terms of ability to min max with desyncing shivs from kingsbane for AoE with arterial/supercharge/tempest/tiny toxic, managing your bleed spreading manually without carnage to help, lining up your cooldowns still for ttk/kingsbane/deathmark windows, not needing vanish for any damage effects. It's just a great harmony and one of my favorite playstyles the spec has ever offered, rich in skill expression and synergy knowledge but also not too slow for all the people bitching about APM, while retaining the core of assa's gameplay with multi-dotting, planning cooldowns effectively for your burst, heavy leveraging shiv. It's just a beautiful version of the spec that I thoroughly enjoy thinking about (I'd honestly want to move amp poison to sanguine blades on this but it sucks and sanguine blades is cancerous with its current tuning, please buff sanguine back to it's intended glory blizzard it's such a cool talent)

and with that, bed time

[subtle tundra]

GET DOWN

[umbral sierra]

whats wrong with that? augs are good no?

[royal lantern]

yeha, problem from her side then, 1 of my DPS pals that plays brewmaster tank in dungeons tracks cds, including deathmark lol

[subtle tundra]

augs are only played in the highest of keys cause they minmax the shit out of it, still do less dmg than another dps would, but it makes the group tankier

[rare isle]

Because his/her friend plays aug i guess and they like playing together? You have the weirdest things to get upset about

[royal lantern]

HE LEAKED THE BIS BUILDS

[umbral sierra]

ah its not her addon its the base game "sense power" ability they have that is supposed to glow when they use cds on people

so i think base game is tracking buffs not cds then lol

[umbral sierra]

idk thats what she wanted to play lol

[rare isle]

Yes that only tracks buffs

[subtle tundra]

fair

[rare isle]

Sadly

[keen spruce]

@subtle tundra I have begun dabbling with loud rogue and it doesn't feel too bad

[subtle tundra]

some people play aug cause hurr durr aug

[umbral sierra]

dev is dog shit rn anyways

[royal lantern]

ah ok, makes sense then

[subtle tundra]

aug meta

[tawny rapids]

@balmy condor hey mate, could you please give me some help here. I have some bad trickets and want to know what order would you pop them in (both onuse) Silken endless arsnel and transmitter. could i use transmitter on pull so it doesnt effect my CDs as its very distracting sometimes

[subtle tundra]

bro wtf is a loud rogue

does it fart

[keen spruce]

no IW

no silence

loud

[subtle tundra]

i spit on you

[warm vortex]

Loud rogue

That’s so fucking funny

[royal lantern]

shut up shmeeps

fuck

that hurts

[umbral sierra]

loud rogue is outlaw poping 6 between the eyes bc they get procs back to back

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-duckling-kicked-gif-6037932652524631691

[keen spruce]

[warm vortex]

I miss my headphones already

[rare isle]

Dev is honestly not so bad as people say it is. It performs fine

[winged widget]

transmitter is supposed to be used with your Deathmark.
I guess the other one you just send it when available as long as it doesn't interfere with transmitter+DM timing?

[umbral sierra]

addon to make that sound like the classic gun rifle shot thing and its somehow still quieter than veras on a good day

[balmy condor]

You should always transmitter with CDs, would be troll not to

[forest moth]

questionnn : is it more dps to have caustic up on as many targets as possible or just on prio target and splash off that one?

[vestal cliff]

how often should i use shiv in m+? just for KB ?

[balmy condor]

Its limit 1 man

[forest moth]

til

[warm vortex]

“Bad trinkets”
Says transmitter

[tawny rapids]

thanks mate, do you pop it on pull so you do the dance while gettingbleeds up

then u have buff while you pop CSD_

[subtle tundra]

i might.. actually.. try no ic build

in some keys

maybe fun

[winged widget]

well.
it's "bad" to play with, not because of its dmg gain. 😛

[balmy condor]

You want to ideally complete the minigame on or shortly after your shiv cast

[warm vortex]

True

Also whisper wanted to go to sleep the. Immediately getting pinged is a mood

[umbral sierra]

give me 2 passive trinkets and call it a day

[tawny rapids]

Really apprecaite your support, would you go in this order,

DM With transmitter, kingsbane and then shiv or shiv then kingsbane

[umbral sierra]

since whispyr is still here they can look through that log xD
JK go to bed

[vestal cliff]

spyglass + skardyns is so much fun

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-cat-cute-kitty-sleepy-kitten-sleepy-kitty-sleepytime-gif-15922126068799997734

[keen spruce]

I tried to do 15 seige with a feral druid and and enh shaman

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor

go

[keen spruce]

it went about how you'd expect

[royal lantern]

bed

[warm vortex]

No IC must feel weird

[vestal cliff]

im starting kyveza progress today, any tipps?

[warm vortex]

Kill

[vestal cliff]

true

[rare isle]

I want no IC(D) on my trinkets

[vestal cliff]

does feint work on blazelines?

[winged widget]

if you pre-cloak the dash, you dont get the "drop orbs" mechanic.
if you cloak after getting hit by the dash, it doesn't remove the debuff, so you will still drop the orbs.
that's it.
that's the secret tech.

[royal lantern]

skill elusivness, cloak the charges, during intermission feint every line you get and use evasiom when the intermission is at 10sec remaining

[balmy condor]

As long as you’re completing the minigame quickly after the press it’s whatever

[vestal cliff]

why the evasion at 10sec remaining?

[royal lantern]

cus evasion is 10seconds

[winged widget]

preferrably save cloak for the 2nd set of charges on each phase, since those are the ones when your KB is back up. Gives you better uptime this way

[royal lantern]

less passive dmg

[vestal cliff]

ah so just for the less magic dmg ayy

okay thanks guys !! <3

im so hyped

[royal lantern]

the first 20-30pulls will be over quick

spoiler

[vestal cliff]

XDDD

[winged widget]

I wanted to have more fun on kyveza, but my guild is already tilted by it. Ovinax did some emotional damage on people.
Can't wait to see the despair on Court 😄

[vestal cliff]

boss looks fun tho

[umbral sierra]

how exacly does aug make the party more "beefy" ik the armor buff on tank bc scales but what else

[winged widget]

it is.
the sound effects during intermission is stressful as fuck

but i love it

[royal lantern]

mainstat buffs=tank deffensives are stronger and healers heal more

[rare isle]

Almost all bosses this tier is fun! What sticks out to me as as shit is broodtwister. I dislike it even more than SLG in Nathria.

[winged widget]

still pissed they made such a cool rogue-themed etheral boss in raid and couldn't think of a hero talent inspired by that, but came up with coin flipping instead

[vestal cliff]

soooo true

next season

imagine void-dashing around

[winged widget]

I guess DS's little "pop stacks when enemy hits 20% health" is the execute from kyveza?

[umbral sierra]

coin is a thing of quite a few rogue like characters behind

[winged widget]

very thematic to share it with Sub and its shadow clones

[umbral sierra]

beliveing in fate or flipping a coin to decide what to d o

[rare isle]

How does coin flipping even practically work in a fight? Do you like sheat your weapon to flip a coin? Do you flip it with your nose? I have no idea

[umbral sierra]

u see this in deadman wonderland with "crow"

[winged widget]

sure.
but coin flipping to proc cosmic (???) dmg out of nowhere isn't it though

[white venture]

Void dash reminds me of Lost arks assassins class ultimate

[umbral sierra]

fair

[subtle tundra]

yea such a memorable thing, only time i noticed it was when i was looking at my breakdown and went "huh, whats this?"

[balmy condor]

Lore wise it’s technically a single coin that flips itself

[winged widget]

you clearly fart out the coins out of your butt

[balmy condor]

Like the coin itself is “the hand of fate”

[proud badge]

how is shadow binding ritual knife simming so high, my ilvl 😦 😦

[balmy condor]

And you are simply the medium through which the coin delivers its judgement kinda

[balmy condor]

Good trinket

[vestal cliff]

i just want cool void visuals , imagine shadow step with a void portal where you can go back or something ufffffff

[subtle tundra]

woah

you called me mid

thanks

[final star]

this mf naming builds like we pvp

wank cleave

[winged widget]

Fucking boss has a special weapon that applies a "void-shadow" poison called QUEENSBANE.
it's a fist weapon.
So Rogue with KINGSBANE ability can't use it.
this boss triggers me so much

[umbral sierra]

play disc or spriest voidweaver

cosmic ball of death

[vestal cliff]

but i want stabby stab stab

[balmy condor]

Pissmage or whatever that comp was called with rogue+ something

[subtle tundra]

i hope .1 patch has some hero talent changes

[rare isle]

Feels more like a paladin thing

[subtle tundra]

(full rework)

[winged widget]

we even got the Ethereal Set this tier. everything was RIGHT THERE.

[vestal cliff]

YUP

i completed my mythic set this week its so freakin cool

[final star]

jungle bukkake or something

[balmy condor]

Well it’s not really paladin judgement, it’s more like “you’re already dead, the coin just tells me how”

[winged widget]

I'm waiting the catalyst charges to finish the rest of the sets.

[balmy condor]

I had an extensive discussion about the lore implication of such a coin during beta with…. An individual….

[winged widget]

1 charge/week when?

[balmy condor]

We went hard

[vestal cliff]

is fatebound a big difference to deathstalker in dmg?

i just played deathstalker i think i try fatebound next hc reclear

[winged widget]

in ST? lots of RNG, but can perform higher.
Any kind of cleave/aoe? DS all the way

[dawn heath]

why is kush doing like

[royal lantern]

was it me?

[dawn heath]

1mil more dps than any other rogue i watch

its crazy

how much damage the man does

[winged widget]

in what content?

[royal lantern]

cus that Sounds like something i would do

[keen spruce]

ur just jealous cuz u didn't think of it

[final star]

[rare isle]

He good

[sharp viper]

can someone recommend an addon to change the blizzard boss frames? they are pretty useless atm but I would like to use them to track dots and stuff

[umbral sierra]

big debuffs

[balmy condor]

No, someone more important

[umbral sierra]

er wait that might not be good for pvp

[umbral sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-swag-savage-burn-owned-gif-5251169

[sharp viper]

that doesn't work on boss frames though, I have it for pvp, I want boss frames for pve

[rare isle]

I'm spending the whole week doing regression tests, anyone want to swap? I'm up for anything

[umbral sierra]

it does it on m+ mob frames for me

[royal lantern]

quake?

(that doesnt narrow it down Whisp, everyone is more important)

[sharp viper]

still not useful cause I want to change the boss frames themselves

[balmy condor]

No like someone important who cares about how the coin feels

You can rub your two braincells together

It’s not hard

Very obvious

But I ain’t gonna say it

[royal lantern]

yeha yeha i got it after your first reply

but

its still a fucking coinflip tree ok

[balmy condor]

Idk it’s pretty cool

[hexed pier]

Hey guys! Does meld+stealth work the same as a normal stealth if used mid-pull on a trash pack?

Meaning, do you get subterfuge/carnage/MA?

[balmy condor]

Bit too random but like that’s kinda the point

[blazing pumice]

yes but it's shit and doesn't work half the time

[warm vortex]

Whisp why are you still up

Also I’ll try your builds later

I would log but idk if I cba downloading the app

[oak tangle]

we upped some greens into blues

prog

[novel star]

progchamp

i also hope to acquire better colours

on tuesday

[balmy condor]

Sadly

Well not sadly

I’m cooking

[vestal cliff]

i got my first orange on mythic this week, its such a good feeling to improve

[novel star]

yea

i need to make my ovinax orange

and then im vibing

[vestal cliff]

you got this king

[novel star]

or at least purple im probably not oranging i dont fucking understand that boss

[vestal cliff]

thats me currently

[arctic socket]

I just want a good ulgrax parse

[novel star]

do not look ovinax bro

[arctic socket]

[novel star]

dont smile

challenge

impossible difficulty

[vestal cliff]

i disconnected on 4 ulgrax kills

[warm vortex]

How hard is it even to log

[novel star]

its not

[warm vortex]

I just download wow logs and type like

Combat log

[novel star]

logging is a vanilla in game feature

the wcl app and shit is just to upload logs to the site

instead of being a useless .txt file

[warm vortex]

Ah ok
So you can’t view em without it

The ones you make that is

[novel star]

i mean

its a normal text document

its just a bunch of bullshit

wcl makes it readable

[oak tangle]

i have ERT addon, which auto toggles on logging when i join an instance, and the companion app set to live log, so it just records everything i do

[winged widget]

i just need those pesky rashanan adds to live for an extra half second.

[warm vortex]

Fairs

[novel star]

show boss damage NOW

[balmy condor]

That’s how the governments finds you

[warm vortex]

So I should just get rhe app and maybe post logs here if I wanna see what I’m doing wrong

[oak tangle]

i woulda thought them having my address woulda been enough

[winged widget]

[novel star]

gg im bad

where is ur add dam on horror wtf

[winged widget]

adds just melt

[novel star]

fair nuf

[winged widget]

people saving CDs for them

[novel star]

[solid venture]

parsing is such a joke this tier

[subtle tundra]

alwats us

always is

[proper seal]

Is siphoning stiletto sim bait?

[oak tangle]

still? when was it

[subtle tundra]

just bait

[arctic socket]

[royal lantern]

its just really bad

[rare isle]

Still only 99 guilds with 8/8

[umbral sierra]

na eu world?

[rare isle]

World

[vast patio]

If I don't have mythic trinkets yet, should I be hunting a heroic ritual knife?

[final star]

I'm so surprised the raid hasn't been nerfed again

Make silken tomb dispellable

[royal lantern]

i think this week we will see princess/court/queen nerfs

[final star]

Princess doesn't need nerfs

Maybe they reduce the # of regicide that spawn

or remove the everyone gets it at end of intermission

but I don't think it needs to see any nerfs

[rare isle]

We get another 2.5% buff thing, I guess that can be qualified as a nerf? 😂

[winged widget]

[royal lantern]

shit like queen roots dont care about that

[winged widget]

pretty sure this dmg/heal amp just means they wont do health % nerfs.

[royal lantern]

and having a borderline Gnome requirment is cringe af

[winged widget]

but will still do mechanical ones

[final star]

Make them dispellable

[wooden otter]

hey guys, new to rogue. How do you manage Shiv in m+? i have to use it before KB or in last 8 seconds? i don't have double shiv talent.

[final star]

Last 8s

[molten flicker]

just do what raid leader commands and chill

[royal lantern]

@final star unironically

making the knifes on pricess 0,5sec slower would probs make the Fight more managable for many guilds

[balmy condor]

Tempest is full st

Like you play tempest on broodtwister because it’s a st increase

It also helps with adds

Giga button

[wooden otter]

ty

[sharp viper]

it's called FUNNEL and it's CLASSY

[balmy condor]

Not even funnel tbh it’s just ct hitting multiple targets the multiplier goes silly

[wooden otter]

and last question does Subterfuge works with Master Assassin? the crit bonus works for first 6 secs or 12 seconds?

[balmy condor]

It’s like 8-10% away from being equal to an envenom in single target, and on 5 targets you’re telling me it does DOUBLE that?

Insane

[balmy condor]

Yes it does

[wooden otter]

so 12 seconds. ty for help

[flint jetty]

ORegonn9345$

[balmy condor]

Let him cook