assassination

[marble hemlock]

didnt you read? no rules

[vale shore]

yeah! This is the rogue discord!

[balmy condor]

great question, I don't

[hallow pelican]

rose' maybe ... or an unoaked chardonnay

never red wine... not even a lighter red like pinot noir

you may have no rules be we arent fucking savages

[marble hemlock]

idk, people are playing M+ without iron wire. you sure we aint savages?

[vale shore]

we used to have a spreadsheet!

!fishwinepairings

[hallow pelican]

savages we arent ... slightly short bus maybe

[vale shore]

almost every team in the MDI has an assassin rogue, we might become FOTM pretty soon

[marble hemlock]

might? soon?

[vale shore]

someday

[hallow pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-john-goodman-john-goodman-am-i-the-only-one-gif-5408644

[vale shore]

https://tenor.com/view/you-went-rogue-seal-team-mandy-ellis-cia-jessica-pare-gif-1129698967998615621

[hallow pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-oh-please-dear-big-lebowski-john-goodman-gif-10120859

[balmy condor]

Need assa fotm season to end

[mortal badger]

make outlaw fotm

[hallow pelican]

theyre doing it for shroud and entropic ...

[vivid mulch]

Is it from 7+ and up you wanna change SD for SB?

[balmy condor]

Any level you’d like

You won’t notice a difference

[vale shore]

what level should I drop shadowheart? +17s?

I worry I lean on it too much

[slow needle]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[vivid mulch]

@balmy condor what addon do you use for your actionbar?

[balmy condor]

Rogue is squishy, so I think it’s best practice to take any and all defensives always in every key, except blackjack cause apparently tricks is super sleeper OP

[balmy condor]

I dont

[vivid mulch]

You just use default?

[balmy condor]

Yep

[vivid mulch]

hm

[limber lion]

Why would you need anything else

[balmy condor]

Default, plater, weakauras

Gg

[limber lion]

The dragonflight UI change made it possible

It removes everything

It's literally just like Bartender or whatever

[vivid mulch]

It would just be nice if i had "global" bar instead of it going from stealth and out when i fx, pvp

[vale shore]

I wish I had a button to snap back to my death(stalker's)marked target

[limber lion]

Just bind the exact same abilities on both bars

Not sure what the issue is lol

[slate crown]

Dragonflight UI changes were great. Still a couple of criticisms of it but it's way better than before and it being baked in is huge

[limber lion]

Yeh

Compared to whatever we had previously (which was pretty much nothing), it's pretty great

[slate crown]

To be fair this part is really annoying to have to do frequently esp if leveling or changing things up

But it's what I do

Once you're done you never have to think about it again

[limber lion]

Yep

[slate crown]

I do wish I could have a couple of bars I could flag as "All specs" for like utility shit, health potion/stone/mount/profession stuff

or even like "all character" bar that is always the same

or the option for it

[gritty laurel]

i made my own shitty little addon to remove most of the padding between icons on the default bars, it's a small thing but it makes me happy

[blissful cosmos]

guys when playing master assain and subterfuge in mytic plus build do we vanish at 12 secs of kingsbane and do 2 garrotes and rupture with cooldowns poped in aoe?

[balmy condor]

Sounds good yeah

[blissful cosmos]

thank you man

[gloomy heart]

couldnt i run this and drop sudden demise

for twist

[ebon notch]

@spice spire recognise this?

[gloomy heart]

DN!

[coral ibex]

that is my m+ build

[spice spire]

What’s dn?

[viral ice]

in packs of 10 or more do i garrote/rupture 5-6 then send cds or spread to the whole pack

[crisp blade]

any guide for optimal way of using Ovi'nax's Mercurial Egg

[balmy condor]

be under 20

[late tusk]

Do it got sense that I sim my self, and it simmed me better taking all my haste out?

[ebon notch]

thank you for answering my dumb questions xoxo

[karmic crystal]

whats the command to see all the different tracks of gear again

!track

was worth a shot..

!gear

!mythicplus

!crests

[pliant remnant]

[safe void]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRq3Nn1ZvFwaXf1wQTr1RalpWbJTIhQp5xGwEyDTVWyuBWLP9_2rqqsxJSPQJLJAkIiKHy49pVfqEWu/pubhtml

[pliant remnant]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[karmic crystal]

thank you

peter pan

you legend

always heard good things about you

[pliant remnant]

[vast patio]

So my ui doesn't show it. Supercharge is just any finishing move, not like reprimand right?

[indigo meadow]

does the sim know how to put diff color gems in all the sockets to get the crit effect from blasphemite or is it just bad bc no matter what i sim it never recommends but i see alot of ppl on logs running that

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

you need to hit the "always 4" button

[indigo meadow]

ah

the more you know

[vast patio]

Right on, thanks.

[gloomy heart]

pog got the ring from siege

Whos balling like me fr

[full summit]

can i not use whetstones on daggers?

[balmy condor]

yep

you can

you can't use WEIGHTstones

on daggers

[full summit]

oh i bought the wrong ones

LOL

ty

[abstract steppe]

Weird question. How does sanguine blades actually work, e.g. my understanding was that it made your bleeds do a secondary dot on targets with those bleeds when above 50% energy

[balmy condor]

not a dot

just a duplicated tick of damage

[abstract steppe]

But I was doing a GB earlier today and the first "hit" on a mob that pulled some trash (lavabenders before 3rd boss after skipping them) was Sanguine Blades

[balmy condor]

yeah, welcome to GB

residuals pull everything in there

[abstract steppe]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Tqracdw6RzGpZYJX#fight=1&type=damage-done&pull=17&view=events&start=1443560&end=1448496 Here's the log zoom-in. The first target on a shadowbender was "Precisely - Sanguine Blades"

[balmy condor]

although sanguine is a new one on those lavabenders

[abstract steppe]

21:32.540 for exact timestamp

[balmy condor]

yeh

known bug, usually with corrupt the blood though

sanguine is a funny one

[abstract steppe]

Very odd. I didn't think there was any way for sanguine damage to get on mobs not in combat / with no bleeds on them.

[balmy condor]

yes

it's not a sanguine bug

it's a boss bug

[errant mauve]

1.4m dps on rash mythic and only a 66 parse god damnit

[balmy condor]

it just randomly hits the lavabenders

[abstract steppe]

Weird. Okay, good to know I didn't do anything to cause that, bad to know there isn't a way to reliably make sure it doesn't happen (outside of just do that pack.)

[balmy condor]

yeh

it happens with corrupt the blood all the time

I've never seen it happen with sanguine blades

but same bug

[novel star]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[waxen oyster]

Yeah that's not crazy high for rash

[lethal turtle]

On blood 2nd boss Nerup why isnt my caustic going onto adds in down phase

[balmy condor]

well what are you hitting

[coral ibex]

the center of the boss is too far from the adds to hit them with caustic

[lethal turtle]

Boss. and I see now

(:

[coral ibex]

need to swap to adds

[balmy condor]

yeah

the center of boss is I think like 45 yards? away from adds

[lethal turtle]

Figured bc the circle is like massive af. itd cleave

[coral ibex]

you can cleave the boss when you target the adds tho

[balmy condor]

caustic calculates from the center

[lethal turtle]

Good to know! thanks homies

[ebon notch]

Make caustic cleave from the player!!

[coral ibex]

no that would be a lot worse

could just make it calc from the edge of the target hitbox and not the center

[earnest remnant]

caustic already turbo broken, no reason to make it even more broken, let it have its few drawbacks

[glad osprey]

is anyone else kinda struggling to get better at rogue, idk what resources i should be looking at

i read all icyveins guides etc. but i find them not to be descriptive enough like ive improved a lot but im still only parsing 50-60

[gloomy heart]

just did 1.15mil in a 8 COT

i need to get good

[glad osprey]

i do really great in keys i find but not raid

and idk what im doing wrong

[earnest remnant]

dw bud, shit takes time its just about repetition, and a good idea is to record yourself play and review it later

[gloomy heart]

i am, kinda

[glad osprey]

i just feel like i have to be missing something crucial

[earnest remnant]

parsing is also a whole other beast to tackle

[gloomy heart]

im 619 and did only 1.1mil in a 8 COT

i feel like thats SHIT

[glad osprey]

and i wanna start mythic raiding but they dont think im good enough yet

[earnest remnant]

you are up against people off all shapes and sizes

[glad osprey]

but theres no other rogues in my guild so i dont really have anyone to ask

[earnest remnant]

you are probably comparing yourself in HC gear to people in full mythic gear

which isnt fair

to yourself

[glad osprey]

im 621, shouldnt i be parsing a bit higher than 50-60?

[earnest remnant]

all you can really do is compare logs, look at uptimes and casts

well let me put it like this

you are 621, there are people that are 637

its not a fair fight

[glad osprey]

its pretty comparable

everyone has less than 630 ilvl

so idk why i have such low dps

[earnest remnant]

your percentile

is against other rogues

[glad osprey]

yeah i know but

[earnest remnant]

and people do parse runs and shit in HC

[amber brook]

How do you even parse against ulgrax

[gloomy heart]

Thats on ulgrax?

[glad osprey]

why is my damage so bad compared to other ppl graahhh grr

Yeah

ulgrax

[earnest remnant]

bad more

[glad osprey]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aCmLkvxKz4gW8d37#fight=1&type=damage-done

someone pls help me

[earnest remnant]

join a pug where people have 0 dmg on adds

[amber brook]

no no im just asking

[glad osprey]

well to be fair

i only had 81% uptime

so thats probably it

oh wel

[amber brook]

But he apparently is askking for ulgrax

[earnest remnant]

uptime % can be skewered

[glad osprey]

Weirdly enough i also find i do way lower amounts in aoe in raid

[gloomy heart]

i guess its just like getting reps in

[glad osprey]

is that normal for assa as well???

[gloomy heart]

seeing what other rogues do that you arent

[earnest remnant]

but ulgrax you just gotta hit some adds

[gloomy heart]

^

[earnest remnant]

pretty much it yes

[glad osprey]

like what does our aoe look like other than caustic splatter bcuz ive been trying to do that and its very underwhelming compared to the insane amounts others are doing

what else should i be doing other than hitting ruptures on 2-3

[earnest remnant]

assa isnt really that great at burst aoe compared to other classes

[amber brook]

Crimson temptest is not the play in ulgrax right

[earnest remnant]

its got amazing consistent AoE tho

[runic hinge]

I don't even hit the adds on ulgrax

i just kinda try and get DN envenoms off to keep the buff up

[earnest remnant]

this like a 4 weeks old mythic kill

havent done the boss since then, since we extended some time ago to kill ansurek and i wasent playing on our reclear this week

[balmy condor]

you don't play CT on anything other than ovi'nax

and like MAYBE court

[coral ibex]

damn i thought this 12 siege was gonna go well

[glad osprey]

idk yeah i just am not good enough dps wise for my guild yet

and im not sure if i am genuinely missing something or theyre bullshitting me

LOL

[coral ibex]

[amber brook]

should have known when i saw the dmg diff

[glad osprey]

because . these people as i said are like all less than 630 ilvl

[amber brook]

On BBH adds phase, do we mut or FOK the adds?

[earnest remnant]

but parsing in and of it self is just about padding in most cases

get your dmg off before other people do it

[glad osprey]

Yeah I just know that parsing is a pretty good indication of whether you’re playing right or missing something crucial

[earnest remnant]

on single target bosses yeah

[glad osprey]

Idk if 50-60 is typical or if I should be doing better

oh well my rogue adventure is just beginning I learned a lot in a month I think I just need to do a shit ton of fine tuning

[coral ibex]

oh sick because we did a shroud skip we cant even release

gg dungeon

[glad osprey]

LOL

it’s ok I was in siege the other day and all the mobs ran into the water

[earnest remnant]

easiest thing to do is just grab your log and compare it to someone better

[glad osprey]

Amazing ai

[earnest remnant]

like comparing uptimes and casts to like a log of whispyrs with your own

thats probably gonna give you a pretty decent idea

[glad osprey]

How do I sort casts by order

[earnest remnant]

if you are on the right track

[glad osprey]

Because I can only sort them by like

[coral ibex]

also record your gameplay

[glad osprey]

How much x damage each spell does

[earnest remnant]

just go timelines -> casts

[glad osprey]

But it would be nice to have like a timeline

[coral ibex]

and watch back your pulls

you'll notice misplays

[gloomy heart]

any1 got a ctw weakaura

[slate lark]

what's a better race for rogue? nelf or dwarf?

[gloomy heart]

do you like short or tall ppl

[slate lark]

damn i like em shorties

shawties

[gloomy heart]

dwarf is your answer

[slate lark]

nah jk, which is more beneficial for high keys? 13+

[gloomy heart]

if you have a good tank who doesnt chain pull

[earnest remnant]

dwarf

[gloomy heart]

dwarf

if he does

nelf

[full summit]

if theres a pack with 5 or more targets do i have to spread around garrote and rupture or no?

[slate lark]

but meh, pugs are always chain pulling xd

[earnest remnant]

dwarf always dwarf

[gloomy heart]

i am dwarf

even with chainpullers

[earnest remnant]

yes you wanna spread ruptures

to max out scent and keep your energy saturated

[glad osprey]

I thought I read somewhere that chain pulling isn’t too bad for us

[earnest remnant]

it isnt

if done right

if done bad

its annoying

[glad osprey]

but mind you I find I do more dps when they don’t chain pull because it’s just easier

I wish there was a way to snap back to deathstalkers mark

I lose it in big pulls

And I feel like an idiot trying to find it

[oak tangle]

you gotta consider the whole

chain pulling = faster key

[slate lark]

will there be any leads to when the next discount of faction change be?

[oak tangle]

cause a palladin does not care about your restealth

[glad osprey]

Another question, I have skardyns grace and void reapers contract

Is it worth it to keep spam running siege for the spyglass

Or is void reapers contact good enough

Bcuz I have ran this dungeon like 30 times

and I wanna off myself

[slate lark]

dont worry fam

you'll get it in vault

🙂

[gloomy heart]

hate being on a dead realm, cant find a recraft 😦

[glad osprey]

I’ve said that for a month

[sonic raven]

in M+, pop Skardyn once all dots are rolling, or at start?

[glad osprey]

I never get trinkets in fault

[sonic raven]

theres no snapshotting, right?

[earnest remnant]

with Deathmark

[slate lark]

well i did grind for all my trinkets (skardyn, spyglass, sacbrood)

skardyn was the toughest one

farmed 40+ dungs for that

[glad osprey]

I lucked out with skardyn

[slate lark]

then got my spyglass/sacbrood in vault

[glad osprey]

But this spyglass is a bitch

[sonic raven]

got glass in my vault thankfully

[oak tangle]

my friends today

[glad osprey]

I would’ve screamed

[slate lark]

yall think its worth to buy 2 wow tokens so i could race change to dwarf?

[waxen oyster]

depends what content you're doing

generally no

[crisp blade]

sorry was it to answer myquestion about how ot use Ovi Egg? what does it mean by under 20?

[gloomy heart]

i only get CTW after finishing my full mark?

[limber coral]

Can yall help my understand what I can do to improve here?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KTNnzFkRbv6J4fxH#fight=37&type=casts&source=365&view=timeline

I dont know how or why I just cant seem to get this fight down.

[sharp ore]

is there a way to change which bar gets picked to change to our stealth abilities?

[slate crown]

Not in the default UI, no

[balmy condor]

do not go over 20 stacks either way

on the buff

[crisp blade]

the stacks come from stationary right?

[balmy condor]

and moving

read the trinket

[slate crown]

Do we actually use the activation at any point? Seems like the active to suspend is more for convenience if something requires us to move but we are at a point in the buff where we want to stand still

[balmy condor]

correct

doesn't do anything

[crisp blade]

oh so it's not really an on-use trinket

[balmy condor]

the use simply locks the stacks

nothing else

[crisp blade]

just let it passively go and if we keep moving almost >20 stacks or keep stationary almost >20 stacks, can press the button to stop going over 20

[balmy condor]

yes

[slate crown]

I got the trinket like 2 weeks ago and haven't bothered equipping it, maybe will try it out

[crisp blade]

it's a bit painful to use it haha. like i need to think about "should i really move now"? lol

[slate crown]

Transmitter + Egg 💀

[balmy condor]

that's the price of power yes

[crisp blade]

i dont have much choice cuz i dont have any better trinket than that at the moment

[balmy condor]

strong trinkets generally require brain

[slate crown]

It's ok I made a thingy thing

[crisp blade]

have been farming good trinkets for a while, no luck

[balmy condor]

do you not have a day job

what is wrong with you

[slate crown]

my brother in christ it's saturday

and it took me less than 10 minutes

[balmy condor]

💀

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/ratjam-jam-rat-rat-dance-gif-19853529

[balmy condor]

bro is making weakauras for cancer aids trinkets with their day off

[slate crown]

indeed

for a trinket I may never actually use

and I made like 1m tonight

just don't ask my io

[gloomy heart]

xal'atah reminds me of my gf, wishing i lasted longer...

[neat leaf]

Do i need iron wire for garrote to silence, because even if i dont take the talent the tooltip still reads that it silences but im not seeing the effect. is it a tooltip error or am i dumb?

[balmy condor]

kinda based though

doing literally anything to avoid m+

is so based

[balmy condor]

yes, world of warcraft tooltips are notoriously dogshit

sometimes wow tooltips make me think that I'd have more luck explaining color to a blind man

[errant mauve]

would 5 ilvls cause someone to have more dmg on 10 less casts of envenom or am i fucking up my envenom somehow

[wispy epoch]

💅

[wispy epoch]

If you’re casting them at less than 5 combo points yeah

But ilvls in the right spots 100%

[errant mauve]

whats the difference between casts and hits in logs/details?

cause it says i have 5 more casts not 10 actually but he has 198 hits and i only have 62 so my hits matches my casts and his doesnt by a mile

[earnest remnant]

number of casts vs number of hits?

[errant mauve]

this guy has 57 casts and 198 hits hows that work

[earnest remnant]

casts of what?

[errant mauve]

envenom

wait no disregard

i found it

[burnt zodiac]

Any1 got a good kingsbane WA?

[slate crown]

!wa LE Collection has a couple

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[gloomy heart]

subterfuge is mid.

yeah i said it

[spice spire]

Ur mid

Yeah I said it

[pliant remnant]

he's mid.

yeah i said it

[gloomy heart]

i actually don’t enjoy subterfuge idk why

[coral ibex]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/793/583/a97.gif

[gloomy heart]

LOL 😝

supercharger go brrrr

i +3d a key today for the first time boys, clap it up (not ur hands)

[runic hinge]

I've already clapped @spice spire cheeks this week

[drifting cloud]

[rotund oak]

we need the details

[gloomy heart]

No class discord beats rogue

[runic hinge]

fantasy football

[gloomy heart]

[rotund oak]

yup RH is light years ahead

[sharp lily]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gloomy heart]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/us/turalyon/mcglizzy how am i looking now

slowly juicing

@rotund oak in your opinion, who’s the best rogue atm

[oak tangle]

It’s me isn’t it

[rotund oak]

In Pve ild say Kush or Imexiled,prolly kush has the edge.In PvP Whaazz,at least 2 light years ahead of everyone else

[unique plume]

Hey sexy assassins, can someone explain what the fuss about subterfuge is about? How did they change it and why are people talking about it? XD

[gloomy heart]

Kush over Casualaddict and speed?

[rotund oak]

Casualaddict is a fellow greek friend but no,i think Kush is better

[gloomy heart]

Zero cool is a grinder too

respectable grinder

[rotund oak]

habibi is iconic sin totem

all of those are very very good gamers

[slate crown]

Subterfuge used to just give you access to stealth abilities for X seconds after stealth broke.

Now, Subterfuge extends any effects that linger after stealth breaks for 3/6 seconds per point. So, Master Assassin for example increases your crit chance by 30% for 6 seconds after breaking stealth. If you take Subterfuge, that becomes 9/12 seconds. Same applies to other similar effects

[onyx rock]

Speed all day for me (biased)

[gloomy heart]

What makes kush better than everyone else

[rotund oak]

I think he understands way better and evaluates circumstanecs better than eveyrone else,resembles a bit whaazz in predicting as well

[coral ibex]

he's in a rwf guild

[rotund oak]

casualaddict is faster though

Imexiled is a machine

the man makes little to no mistakes

actually crazy how talented he is

[onyx rock]

Best rogue i ever known is Nukkz. But i dont think hes into M+

[rotund oak]

that name is an old mage from stormscale though

[onyx rock]

Also Madve but i think he quit

[gloomy heart]

i think speed and casual diff kush, kush just has a org of giga players

[rotund oak]

ofc the man is part of a gr8 team but u cant stand between the best gamers without being one of the best

plus he plays a spec thats very challenging and requires knowledge

sub is not fukin' easy

[gloomy heart]

he is assa…

[rotund oak]

he plays assa now,he mains sub

coz fotm

[gloomy heart]

yeah i think they all play all

[runic hinge]

jpc is the goat tbh

[gloomy heart]

saw speed do a like 15-16 NW as sub

[gloomy heart]

WASHED

jk

[rotund oak]

💀

[gloomy heart]

where is jpc

[runic hinge]

harvard

[gloomy heart]

did he quit

[runic hinge]

He said he'll be back next tier

[earnest remnant]

best rogue is Tisumi

[runic hinge]

best rogue is you

[earnest remnant]

@gusty kestrel cuz he is handsome af

[rotund oak]

u can sit on the throne but no.. too bored

[earnest remnant]

i dont need to raid in a different place or anything of the sorts to be a better rogue than other people

aint how it works

world rank is so meaningless

[past bobcat]

@slate crown Did you have a transmitter wa? I love how your icons look

[rotund oak]

wow has become so competitive it has become a legit sport.Like box or something,u see ppl asking whoi's the best rogue,who's this who's that

[runic hinge]

life is meaningless

[gloomy heart]

without wow^

[rotund oak]

without a job and some friends^

[earnest remnant]

its also a hard question to really answer, cuz what makes you better than someone else?

what metric we using?

[gloomy heart]

delete this

[earnest remnant]

working is overrated

[rotund oak]

💀

[runic hinge]

you're right i should quit my job

[earnest remnant]

i could

[slate crown]

Nah I just took the TTS one everyone else uses, there's nothing really fancy to transmitter that that one doesn't do

[earnest remnant]

my fam owns the business anyway

i could live off of that if i wanted

[rotund oak]

doesnt mean anything rly

i could as well if i wanted

its a choice

[gloomy heart]

okay i’m about to ask a a dumb question

[earnest remnant]

no dumb quesitons

only dumb answers from me

[gloomy heart]

if i open on one target, do i need to tab garrote or will it garrote targets that haven’t been hit if im in range

[earnest remnant]

damn i take it back that was dumb

jkjk

we talking about IC yea?

[oak tangle]

!ic

[rotund oak]

if u arent into IC range then u need to actively switch and garrote it

[gloomy heart]

yeah

[oak tangle]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[earnest remnant]

it will prio mobs without it

[gloomy heart]

okay that’s what i figured

[earnest remnant]

even you slam garrote into the same taget

but you do waste 1 garrote that way

[oak tangle]

read that post

[earnest remnant]

as an example

[slate crown]

If you want to take that one and make it use my visuals, all of my icons follow these visual settings:

[past bobcat]

❤️

[earnest remnant]

lis with the daily sellouts

[slate crown]

40 x 32 doesn't have to be your size, just that ratio

[earnest remnant]

smh

[slate crown]

This ain't a sellout it's a recipe

[earnest remnant]

recipe for self advertisement

[oak tangle]

do you collect royalties when you link your own WA?

[earnest remnant]

yeah when you download her wa's it mines bitcoins from your pc

for legal reasons that was a joke

[oak tangle]

brain = big

[slate crown]

it's the secret to my goldmaking

all the JC talk is just a rouse

[earnest remnant]

distracting from the obvious

[gloomy heart]

i need that secret

[earnest remnant]

press esc

[coral ibex]

best gold per hour is jobbage irl

[earnest remnant]

go shop

buy token

ther eyou go

fixed

for more financial advise check out my patreon

[drifting cloud]

is that how you buy the tokens

[gloomy heart]

[oak tangle]

i wonder how much gold i've saved by being one of my guilds officers and the perk of guild repairs

[unique plume]

Thank you 😍

[gloomy heart]

tons of gold

repair yoinks mine

[slate crown]

this image makes me feel ill

[spark hornet]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[gloomy heart]

in the gutters rn

[earnest remnant]

more like nam trenches buddy

[gloomy heart]

if i fail a key it’s over

can’t even repair 💀

[slate crown]

meanwhile I slipped and pushed the wrong button and made 600 more than I meant to make

[earnest remnant]

same when i bought coffee this week

[pulsar elk]

is "without a trace" any good?

[earnest remnant]

instead of 1 box of coffee beans

i got 10

[gloomy heart]

i won’t crank as much for a while, def can’t afford pots and whetstones

[rotund oak]

thats 193k gold in europe,about 220k in NA

good amount to start ur day

ild keep them until the price shifts to 400g+ and gain more

u can also strip the AH and resell everything

[slate crown]

Honestly I’m a bit jaded on holding, I have enough bulk and these don’t move too fast even on reset day. I just post them, if the wave goes up on reset day, cool, if not, I’m making money in the meantime, it’s profit either way. I’d rather just keep the conveyor belt moving along

[rotund oak]

think thats wrong

if u want to sell fast and restock,which means more money u need to be ready to undercut

thats why u sell on the shift

coz u can undercut and still be very profitable

idk,i did at least close to a goldcap that way on eu

but its a bigger market

but its funny how everything is getting sniped here,eveyrhting is sold in couple of mins

[slate crown]

I don’t undercut lower than what’s posted. When I want to push to the front I never drop the price

I just push small quantities at once if I’m spending time sitting at the AH

Often though I’m doing other crafts

So like I’m not constantly at the ah sniping, I got shit to do

[balmy condor]

it's definitely not not good

it's for sure better than not and also worse than good

[rotund oak]

price will drop either way,if u dont undercut,others will sell and u wont.. same but when im not working i just spend like couple of hours farming/selling and then whatever i wanna do..

but thats understandable

[slate crown]

If they drop it then I’ll follow but I’m not initiating it

[humble verge]

so looking at the mdi runs, looks like they are just running standard wowhead talents now?

[rotund oak]

yeah u cant rly initiate,ur starting auction is always on top of the list,by default

[humble verge]

or with a slight twist

to yours whispyr

[rotund oak]

unless u agressively wanna undercut

and make a mess of ah

[humble verge]

always

[slate crown]

That’s what I thought you were suggesting

I just post to the front of the line, constantly

I’m just not dropping the price

[rotund oak]

ye u arent rly selling big quantities that way and the gold isnt longterm investment either 😛

yeah but maybe u have to

coz there are ppl like the friend above that aggressively do that

stuff like ores and engineer parts

those sell like crazy

[novel star]

am i having a stroke

[rotund oak]

u might be forced before it goes under ur cost to craft them 😛

[slate crown]

Yeah and if they’re too aggressive I’ll buy their posts up and reset the price

[rotund oak]

yup thats what i do,thats why sometimes i just spend silly amounts on cloth to keep the price regulated until i wanna sell everything

yday ive bought 458k worth of chittin 😛

gloom chitin

though pretty sure those are leather but ye

anyway

[balmy condor]

you could not not be not having no stroke

[novel star]

Wuh

bwuh

[pastel onyx]

[runic hinge]

this shit dont make sense

[slate crown]

You also can’t guarantee the prices will go up. Selling now and not holding gets profits through the door when I know it’s profitable. I’ve seen many markets stay stagnant or collapse that I thought would go back up on reset day. So I’m hedging bets against that by not holding out. Get my money now, if the price goes up, it’s not like I’m not going to be crafting between now and then. I can just craft at that time too. Anyways time for sleep

[humble verge]

hm

it looks like

i do basically the same sim damage on both mdi talents from swagstep

and my own tune

hmmm

[pulsar elk]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8cqQ1rSpm3tn6TLgDhc1aX intriguing lol, did not know it was a thing that was played

[balmy condor]

it's in all of the suggested wowhead m+ builds

[gusty kestrel]

meow

[runic hinge]

Yeah I heard the wowhead guy doesn’t even have 9 million io

[humble verge]

it really depends if your tank likes to chainpull or not

[earnest remnant]

best rogue world blessing us with his presence

[humble verge]

i wouldnt call him the best

but hes up there

:3

[earnest remnant]

tisu best rogue world

fight me

[humble verge]

no me

ill fight myself

[gusty kestrel]

no fighting on sunday, we should praise the lord instead

[humble verge]

been up all nigth

i aint praising no lord

[earnest remnant]

im Buddhist

fight me

[ancient tangle]

is meld usable on certain raid boss mechanics ?

[runic hinge]

No

[humble verge]

whats the

tier 2 set called from aniv event

wtf

i unlocked it

but i havent

apparently

[pulsar elk]

Oh dang did not notice that, thank you

[ancient tangle]

i meant to cancel or avoid some boss mechanics but thats what you were answering to right ? ^^

[runic hinge]

Correct. In raid it’s not doing anything for you

[ancient tangle]

ok thx 🙂

[wind totem]

Can anyone help me out and tell me what is reducing this guy's deathmark and Kingsbane cd? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VKbLvJWwn4fyxctY#fight=16&source=54&type=casts

[balmy condor]

a hacked log

[wind totem]

Alright thanks

[balmy condor]

can tell cause this is not how GCDs work

so the log is just sped up 20%

0.8gcd

[wind totem]

Makes sense

Didnt even know that was a thing so i never considered it

[pliant remnant]

thank you ravenholdt, you've helped him improve so much

[blazing pumice]

yeah np

[rare isle]

My guild stopped doing queen HC weekly cuz noone really needs anything there anymore so I tried a pug for funsies

Can confirm pugging queen was not "funsies" at all, 0/10 will not do again

[rotund oak]

why would someone hack a log

does it make performance look better by compressing gcds?

[rare isle]

More casts per second = more damage per second

[balmy condor]

yeh

if you could cast 100 envenoms in 10 minutes

versus 100 envenoms in 5 minutes

which does more damage

[rotund oak]

makes sense yup

but idk,why ppl fall so low

so stupid

[novel star]

uploading fake logs to "win" by 30k

[pliant remnant]

Well, judging by the name of the log uploader, it was the ele shaman

and considering he parsed 88 on a hacked log

Yeahhhhhh

[novel star]

based guild name

u can really name your guild anything u want and people still choose to name it corny gamer shit instead of just doing this

[deft vault]

how can u even hack a log

[novel star]

[rotund oak]

thinking the same thing here

how do u even do that

[novel star]

edit the notepad file

[wind totem]

Does anyone know when you are supposed to vanish/fd/greater invis the charge on second boss is Ara ara to not get it? Is there a specific timing or do you just do it after you get picked and before he starts moving?

[dawn heath]

Fake?

[novel star]

^

blame whispyr if its misinfo

i dont know the specifics

[dawn heath]

He is just him

[novel star]

Ah ok

my b

[dawn heath]

This is pretty much how my logs look too

Awfully suspicious

Blue blue blue 99

[novel star]

my sikran freaky as hell

[sharp viper]

have you considered not dying?

[novel star]

yeah i considered that and did that on november the 5th

or the 5th of november if you prefer that format

[sharp viper]

ravenholdt helps improve parses yet again

[novel star]

sadly i forgot on november 6th

[sharp viper]

REMEMBER REMEMBER

[novel star]

and died in my first ovinax clear

twice

past midnight kill

new day new brain

back to dying

[rotund oak]

kekw discord dying to anyone else?

[novel star]

little bit

but not really

discord is always dying a little bit

[rotund oak]

was rdy to call my provider

my conneciton is stable,no probs

normally but watching discord going down got me worried

[novel star]

well it didnt go down for me

[sharp viper]

discord likes to randomly crash and restart itself every now and then

[novel star]

but yea

[sharp viper]

nothing about this program feels stable

[novel star]

thats because nothing is

[rotund oak]

idk babe mine never crushed

was odd to see but will keep in mind

[sharp viper]

just you wait

https://tenor.com/view/grampa-simpson-gif-19674842

[bright tartan]

!lag

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[rare isle]

What I wonder is how WL not have detection for this?

[novel star]

it probably does i dont know how u actually do it

[molten seal]

do we always hold both shivs in ST for deathmark and Kingsbane? I noticed if I use shiv on cd it will mostly only be 1 up for kingsbane

[novel star]

you hold it for kb yea

[molten seal]

even outside of deathmark?

[novel star]

well

you have 2 shiv charges

on a 30s recharge

kingsbane is a 1 min cd

you can fully cover every kingsbane in and out of dm

with shivs

[molten seal]

not really

[novel star]

yes really..?

[molten seal]

not when I trried

[novel star]

30+30=60

if you press shiv on cooldown you cant cover all of kingsbane

but thats because you need both

[velvet nacelle]

shiv to cover the last 8s of kb

[novel star]

[novel star]

this is true if you have one charge

[dawn heath]

Then you have me

[molten seal]

the second kingsbane will only have 1 shit from my testing

[novel star]

okay

but

why are you pressing a shiv on cd

[velvet nacelle]

the second kingsbane gives many shits

[novel star]

who told you to press shiv on cd with 2 charges

[dawn heath]

I press Shiv when the vibes feel right

[rotund oak]

with 2 charges u dm/shiv/kb

then u cover last 6

[molten seal]

that is exactly my question

[novel star]

yeah but i told you the answer is to hold it and then you said its wrong and you held it and it didnt line up somehow

[dawn heath]

Crazy how i 99 logged with shiving on cd

[rotund oak]

are u asking us who told u to shiv on cd?

[velvet nacelle]

guy, i 9 parsed holding shiv

[rotund oak]

im confused now

[velvet nacelle]

pretty sure 9 is closer to #1 than 99

[molten seal]

I said if I ever not hold shiv it wont exactly line up

[novel star]

if you have 1 charge of kingsbane you cover the last 8s of your first kb and then slam on cd (it naturally lines up for the last 8s of future kbs)

if you have 2 charges of kb you cover the full duration of kb and then hold until next kb to do the same

it will never ever not line up

[rotund oak]

yes because the timing allign naturally alone

[novel star]

we dont have any cd reduction talents

shiv is 30 seconds kingsbane is 60

[molten seal]

that answers it

[rotund oak]

and even if they didnt we would still need to cover the entirety of KB

from start to end

[velvet nacelle]

i trust sap because he has a rogue skill in his name

[rotund oak]

also 20 years under my belt

but thx

appreciate

[velvet nacelle]

also you've never led me astray

but really, it's the skill in the name

my loyalty is fickle though, if someone put 2 skills in their name i dunno what i'd do

[dawn heath]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QpyBaAPDr2gXNHGm#fight=32&type=damage-done&source=1247 roast my shivs pls

[velvet nacelle]

well, for starters, your character name is pirate themed, you're banned from assassination or subtlety

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/roast-turkey-turkey-thanksgiving-gif-18067752

[velvet nacelle]

i don't think we need to go any deeper

[rotund oak]

no roasting here,str8 up nuking coz we do stuff raw

[velvet nacelle]

@royal lantern so glad there's roasting pans to catch the drippings, total pet peeve when people waste that good fat and let it just drip away

that's a bad ass rotisserie though, i really need to upgrade my grill

[dawn heath]

I made a weakaura that says Shiv when it comes off cd so i just send it cause i had issues in keys with forgetting to press Shiv on cd

Which became problematic cause Shiv 30 kb 60

If u miss shiving then u need to delay kb which means u may fuck over death mark

[velvet nacelle]

i don't feel like adjusting the APLs and running local sims

[dawn heath]

Never really adapted for raid

[velvet nacelle]

but i feel like not having shiv to cover the beginning of kingsbane and saving it is gonna be marginal over a few thousand sims

other factors/luck will certainly play a larger role

[rotund oak]

just get whispyr's WA that lights up shiv when its optimal to press,simple and cool

[velvet nacelle]

i could be wrong though, i haven't set foot into mythic until this week for like 2 expansions so my "try hard" brain has atrophied

[rotund oak]

its a condition he added for shiv thats all

[slow marsh]

Holy shit we are still coaching on how to shiv properly and it's on a 30s CD that's crazy

[velvet nacelle]

@slow marsh oh we argue a lot of stuff here, that's the joy of the internet

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[dawn heath]

I have no idea what im doing when im raiding

Im just sending envenoms

[velvet nacelle]

@dawn heath if your team is getting kills, then you at least aren't doing anything WRONG

[dawn heath]

Somehow i got a rank 20 log on sikran which was really surprising

[velvet nacelle]

though there's always room for improvement

[velvet nacelle]

i'm honestly kind of frustrated that it feels like i'm working way harder and hitting more buttons, especially as outlaw, and even if i was like 95+ parsing i'd be like 5th on our raid team

so i just keep not trying and watching yt while we raid

[dawn heath]

Outlaw seems like hard work for little payoff

You can press buttons 30% slower and do more damage

[fickle light]

how are people sending deathmark and kingsbane before envenom in ST opener and still doing crazy damage, am i missing something

[rotund oak]

outlaw without acro isnt rly outlaw

[velvet nacelle]

i had a 95 parse on outlaw at 121CPM in WCL (which is inflated, i know) and i got beat by an evoker who had 37cpm

[dawn heath]

Are you looking at my log lmao

I legit dont know what im doing

I just spam envenom

Big dam

[fickle light]

R1 log sent envenom after deathmark as well

[velvet nacelle]

i literally hit 3 times a smany buttons as that evoker and got smashed

[dawn heath]

Just gaming bro

[fickle light]

also on outlaw i wouldn't compare yourself to other specs, only to other outlaws

[dawn heath]

I think i had good uptime on the boss

[fickle light]

thats all that really matters

[rotund oak]

thats the problem

u tunnel vision eveyrhting

[dawn heath]

I didnt walk out of melee when i had the mechanic on me

Bambamba

[velvet nacelle]

@fickle light i think my point is effort on rogue feels higher for lower payoff atm

i dunno why i said "i think" that's actually my point

[fickle light]

i mean if you have a perfect run on outlaw in ST you top meters

[dawn heath]

Just roll 6 buff 4head

[rotund oak]

ye no downtime either

[dawn heath]

The craziest thing about my Rogue game play is that i dont track kingsbane duration anywhere

[rotund oak]

and sub gonna watch there,afking

[velvet nacelle]

yikes

[dawn heath]

I just see it on my name plate

[violet zinc]

hi, im new to assassination class, i just read it's normal to run out of energy in ST. So during that time you just have to watch your character autoattack?

[velvet nacelle]

i have WAs for everything and you outplay me so just do what you're doing

you pool

if you can't chain envenoms outside of your CDs you pool til about half energy

[dawn heath]

I just had like

[rotund oak]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[velvet nacelle]

oh damn that's a command

[dawn heath]

The perfect kill time this week

[velvet nacelle]

that's why i fall in line behind you sap

[dawn heath]

Boss died the second my third set of cds went out

Kinda perfect

I think most guild only get 2 sets of cds

[velvet nacelle]

heh, bosses always die about 5s before my cds are back

[dawn heath]

On sikran

Yeah

[violet zinc]

oh, didn't know about the deathstalker pooling mechanic, thank you for the help

[velvet nacelle]

our raid group JUST started doing mythic this week and i wasn't uspposed to be on the roster

[dawn heath]

And then you need to hold it for execute the second set of cds

[velvet nacelle]

but we had roster boss issues so i got dragged in

we got 2 kills but i honestly had no clue what i was doing

[rotund oak]

dont fall behind anyone fam,be the king in ur own kingdom,we are all equal here

[velvet nacelle]

i've barely killed the first few bosses on any difficulty

they had me and a monk on the "away" add

and i just saved cds for that

kinda sucks being reliable on mechanics sometimes

[sullen monolith]

is there a way to add a counter on a WA to count how many ruptures or/and garrots are on? In some cases, it would be nice for me to keep track of how many ruptures are still on.

[velvet nacelle]

you can do a multitarget WA, it was pretty straightforward if i remember right but i don't use that anymore

[spring stream]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[velvet nacelle]

my buddy and i rewrote the old enemygrid addon in WAs, you can't click names from it but it shows all your dots

clearly it's not perfect but it works for me

[sullen monolith]

oh nice, i just found a simple version on wago for rupture now

[rare isle]

What does it say? Never used the addon so got no idea

[tall cradle]

if you're using this for the agility buff tracking, i recommend you track the buff stacks on urself, easier to make

[velvet nacelle]

it shows a grid with all the dots you configure it to watch so you can easily see, at a glance, if you're multidotting effectively

the old add on did basically that but you could click names from it to target mobs that needed dots

it was wonderful on aff locks and shadow priests

the green name is my current target

[rare isle]

Looks nice!

[velvet nacelle]

with the way IC works it's not too necessary though

when you would single target dot things it was nice

[rare isle]

Why is old addon cancelled? Something in wows APIs these days causing it to malfunction? Or authors just cancelled it?

[velvet nacelle]

the targetting thing broke (ie. clicking on names in the grid) and i twasn't being supported anymore

glancing at the APIs i dunno that you can even do the targetting thing, weakaura or not, so we just made it a display only grid basically

[rare isle]

Is the old addon still avail somewhere? Could look into if there is a way of making it work again when I get some free time for it

[sullen monolith]

Also, one very technical question for a rogue god:
So in m+, in some bosses during boss fight small adds appear. For example, CoT last boss where the smallies come, is it worth to rupture with 3cp - tab, rupture with 3 cp - tab, rupture with 3 cp and then go back to the main target, for not only the extra agility stack for a short duration, but for the energy regen. OOOOOr, is it better to just drop out one time a 7cp rupture, which will fill your energy up if the add die, and you just pad with FoK for boss? Sorry, its a bit tricky to explain, but im sure whos midmaxing our dmg will understand and know the answer lol 😄

[velvet nacelle]

i'm sure you can find it, EnemyGrid or Enemy Grid

[rare isle]

Will look into it! An old man needs nighttime projects for when kids are sleeping and wife is painting

[velvet nacelle]

generally i put whatever rupture i get from a FoK on each target

FoK > rupture > FoK > rupture

i mainly want the constant energy regen, the burst doesn't always hit at the most ideal times

but that's more for flow than min/maxing output

tbh i dunno that there's a huge dps difference either, as long as you're spreading dots onto targets that will hold them

putting any rupture on a target that dies instantly probably isn't really worth

[sullen monolith]

well, usually we are starving in ST bosses in m+, and you throw out a 7cp rupture on a target that dies instantly will completely refill your energy

but im not sure if its worth of spending so many globals on spreading rupture

or just 1 time 🙂

[novel star]

this feels good but is not a damage gain

[velvet nacelle]

i mean no one questions keeping rupture and garrote up on like silken court or the mechanists in SV right?

[novel star]

yeah

its a gain to rupture snipe when the target lives long enough

but if it does not

its a loss

because the energy and cp couldve just been spent on an envenom instead

[velvet nacelle]

exactly my thinking about it

[novel star]

living long enough is like

7 seconds ish

so pretty long

[sullen monolith]

yeah but those target lives long, im talking about small adds, for example 1st boss of NW, CoT last boss and these tyope of

[novel star]

rashanan adds for example it feels good but its a loss to snipe

[velvet nacelle]

truth be told, i don't even really both dotting the slimes on the first boss of NW or the slimes on CoT

maybe i'm playing bad

[cobalt sphinx]

You don’t play an energy starved build in raid though

[sullen monolith]

on first boss of NW i can do 500k + dps because of the energy pooling

and the 500+k goes to boss, not the rupture dmg on the small adds ofc

[novel star]

youre correct, thats why instant death sniping in raid is even worse than it is in m+ (its still bad in m+)

with dashing scoundrel (all raid builds) the target can live for like 14? seconds and the snipe is bad

[sullen monolith]

yeah, in raid you dont do that, im not talking about raid

[novel star]

in m+ it is still bad

[velvet nacelle]

i haven't pushed higher than 8 so i haven't really bothered "optimizing" my M+ play

[novel star]

you dont snipe small insta death shitters ever

[velvet nacelle]

i'm having me a lazy expansion

[sullen monolith]

oh im talking about 13-14 now

[sullen monolith]

i cant agree on this.

[novel star]

i dont care

you disagree with math

the math says you are wrong

[sullen monolith]

prove it 😮

😄

i want to see the math! So im not pooling anymore

[novel star]

dont remember if it was linked anywhere

but i got these numbers from whispyr talkin about it in here

[velvet nacelle]

it's not really surprising, but i didn't even realize poeple were doing 13-14s already

i've taken like 6 weeks off of this expansion already betwen vacations and family stuff

[novel star]

13s and 14s are unimpressive keys already to like sweat pushers

[velvet nacelle]

and my raid group primarily being focused on atoc (which we already got) hasn't motivated me to go grind gear

[novel star]

highest timed keys are 18s/17s

[velvet nacelle]

nice

pugging 11s still easier than 10s?

[sullen monolith]

yeah i know ... i started to gear my rogue like 2 weeks ago only 😦

[novel star]

prot pal meta moment

m+ is degen shit tho i cba

im content with my vault keys and jerking off the rest of the week until its time to raid log

[velvet nacelle]

i always found that most shitty players stopped at whatever level the top reward level was (ie. portals at 20 before, vault at 15 before that)

[novel star]

i dont think im a shitty player but i have stopped at 11s

[velvet nacelle]

so that made whatever that level was the hardest to pug because of all the bads, but a +1 was cake

[novel star]

the only people i would consider pushing with are all playing poe

so im not pushing

[sullen monolith]

yeah ... you cant trust rio either. Met with so shitty players at 3050-3150 range too ... all of them are boosted.

[velvet nacelle]

yeah my M+ group quit mostly in shadowlands and df so i don't have a consistent group and pugging is too much pain

i have a few IRL friends but they struggle in like 6s

[novel star]

waiting for fellowship to come out

to get pushing dopamine

lowkey

fuck wow

[velvet nacelle]

the balancing the last two expansions has felt so heavy handed in wow

it's like i'm almost glad rogue hasn't been top tier because then we'd get the fire mage 30% nerf treatment

[novel star]

sin is top tier

[cobalt sphinx]

Rio below the highest level is just a volume game, play a meta class and get invited and do shit damage and brick keys and eventually you’ll climb rio

Because you can’t lose rating and there’s no info on your success rate

[novel star]

sin isnt aug enh fdk

[velvet nacelle]

@cobalt sphinx exactly

[novel star]

but it is really good

[velvet nacelle]

fdk isn't even fdk anymore haha

an excellent example of the nerf sledgehammer overreactions from blizz

[velvet nacelle]

sin is in a great place: good output, fun rotation and not good enough to be under blizzards magnifying glass

[novel star]

sin was also in like every mdi comp

not the same thing as pushing

but still

worth noting

[cobalt sphinx]

Sin is really fucking good

[novel star]

ya

like

op good

just not god comp good

[velvet nacelle]

you think OP? i think "strong"

obviously there's a grey area betwen those two terms

dependency on stealth and lack of unique utility keeps me from thinking it's OP

[sullen monolith]

we dont have any support skills for the group. That's why we are struggling

[velvet nacelle]

but we're in pure opinion land

op and god comp feel like the same thing to me

[novel star]

iron wire

[velvet nacelle]

splitting hairs though

oh right how did i forget iron wire, i love that shit

[sullen monolith]

iron wire is shit. You cant play it in most of the dung, becuase important mobs are not benefiting from it.

[velvet nacelle]

that's the counter argument

but wher eit's useful it's godly

[sullen monolith]

for example Dawn, big guys can1t be silenced, so they not get IW debuff at all ...

[velvet nacelle]

it's just not consistently useful

and does it feel like they were aggressive about slapping detection mobs everywhere these past few expansions?

[sullen monolith]

SV , GB , a must for IW, others ... well, kind of not

[velvet nacelle]

and i swear, detecting mobs aggro from further away if you're stealthed than if you're not

and sooooo many things lock you in combat so you can't restealth

[sullen monolith]

if you thinking about shroud, well since they removed dps pot cd from invi pot cd, so shroud is not a great addition for the group. They could just use invi pot.

[velvet nacelle]

stealth needs to be rethought as a mechanic imo

that's what i meant by lack of unique utility

shroud is there, but it's inferior

half the +2 affixes lock you in combat if the timing is bad, so many things knock you out of stealth (like going through doors in the mists maze) and mobs target you and knock you out of stealth once combat starts, even if they don't detect

[sullen monolith]

yyeaaa, very annoying!

that's why you play 12+s 😄

[velvet nacelle]

i have barely a 2k rating, i can't even get into 4s most days pugging 😛

i'm just saying that rogue has enough going against us and we aren't TOP TOP TOP, OP GOD COMP performers so the likelihood that we get hard nerfed the way fire mage and fdk have gotten is pretty low

i miss legion when we would be top DPS pure ST tunneling a boss while the rest of the raid was trying to pad on adds and couldn't keep up heh

i remember our RL tried to put me on an add swap and the entire raid team was like "you're making a rogue switch targets? do you NOT want the kill?"

[sullen monolith]

well, i have to disagree with you. Rogue is still one of the best in ST in raid. Check logs filtered only boss dmg, you will be surprised. And in M+ basiocally only Encha can beat us if it comes on pure dmg.

[velvet nacelle]

my point wasn't that we aren't great ST (we obv are) it was that we were so good at ST we'd beat other people who were cleaving/padding

[sullen monolith]

dmg to bosses, recent

[sullen monolith]

ahh i see.

Well, there are way too many adds in this raid to beat thosse ppl 😄

[velvet nacelle]

oh i didn't know you could even do that graph in wcl, cool

[sullen monolith]

padding is real in this raid ... 😄

[velvet nacelle]

if that graph existed in legion, sin would be literally 2x what 2nd place was

[glad tusk]

Right now im using a WA for caustic splatter, but its not a good one. whenever i alt tab to another mob it tells me i can re apply it, but its not needed since its still applied on another mob. Someone has a better one? i dont wanna install a full addon / wa package, just one for this

[sullen monolith]

you need to hit the CS target, so that's why you WA resets i guess

[glad tusk]

ah okay, so its not bad to keep it like this actually

[sullen monolith]

its good to have like that. So you see if your target has CS or not.

you just very rarely tabbing from your target

[glad tusk]

fair enough

[velvet nacelle]

do you guys actively play around CS? i rarely change target once i have my dots spread

[sullen monolith]

you dont tab from CS target

[glad tusk]

i dont have focus kicks

[sullen monolith]

its my top 1 dmg by far end of dung.

[glad tusk]

and sometimes it gets messy

[sullen monolith]

then you tab out, kick, but you go back to the target that has CS

[glad tusk]

ye just in big packs its sometimes hard to get back to the CS target imo

my platers are pretty messy

i usually heal, rogue is an alt

[velvet nacelle]

mouseover > focus > target kick macro

[vernal turret]

mouseover kick / bleed, so you don’t lose auto attacks while you select other targets

[velvet nacelle]

i really should mouseover bleed

[glad tusk]

hmm ye mouseover kicks is something i should use indeed

[velvet nacelle]

too many years of spreading dots the old fashioned way

[glad tusk]

/cast [@mouseover, harm] Kick; Kick
is this correct?

[vernal turret]

you can add focus condition there as well

to kick focus over mouseover

[velvet nacelle]

i'm going to add mouseover bleeds

[glad tusk]

i never use focus tbh

not yet atleast

[velvet nacelle]

i rarely use it

but sometimes i'll have it set on a priority target, it was mainly an arena thing for me

[vernal turret]

sometimes useful in big packs, if mouseover out of range you can accidentally kick target

[velvet nacelle]

for huge packs where it might be hard to mouseover a target i might focus, but generally in those size pulls i'm not assigned a kick

or my kick target is the priority target so i don't need to worry about finding it during a cast

[dim hill]

Hai guys, im currently running Ascension and Dawnthread, is it better to switch Dawnthread to Withing Armor Banding?

[velvet nacelle]

hah i'm tired, i didn't recognize any of that and thought i went to another games discord

gonna dip, thanks for reminding me to finally add MO bleed buttos @vernal turret

it's one of those things i always think about after i log out and can't be bothered to log back in to fix