assassination

[royal lantern]

you dont really pool

can maybe do it for 3-4 seconds when KB is comming up if you want

but its not a thing you really do

[zinc vortex]

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[fresh kelp]

its literally a 4global opener after boss is pulled

idk why people make it such a big deal

[vast patio]

Aethervision makes it super aids.

[mint urchin]

If anything it's easier now imo since you go SS and don't even have to care about burden

[past bobcat]

do people swap off sin to sub for last 2 bosses in NW or no?

[mint urchin]

Not that I've seen

Sin is fine for stitch because you can save kb/dm for spear + lust after hook

Honestly you probably lose way more time just in travel time of running back to the bosses after swapping to kill any value

[pseudo osprey]

Quick question

How shit is this ?

[jaunty thicket]

I ned a giga chad to bully me and tell me what im doing wrong in dungos that im doing zero dam with Spatter

[keen spruce]

Are you changing targets a lot for no reason?

[late tusk]

Hello, in order to go raid, its better to go with the "raid easy mode talents" or single/cleave gbuilds depending on the boss?

[jaunty thicket]

I try my best to not do that

XD

[keen spruce]

And are you maintaining spatter with mutilate in aoe?

[jaunty thicket]

spatter uptime is good yea

[keen spruce]

[jaunty thicket]

confuses me no end

every other rogue is sending 500k spatter

im chilling with 350k

kinda cringe

[primal yoke]

Do shiv or Kingsbane effect spatter damage at all? I'm assuming no, but wanted to double check

[mint urchin]

I mean spatter is pretty straight forward. Maintain spatter spam evenom for dam and profit. Do you have a tracker for spatter? You are likely dropping it if not target swapping

They do in that they buff the dam that spatter goes off of

[primal yoke]

Oh yeah duh

[brittle quail]

kingsbane yes shiv no but if you shiv a different target from the spatter one it does augment the spatter dmg on that target

[kindred oriole]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[mint urchin]

Shiv would yes as it buffs the poison damage on the target meaning you cleave higher dam

[brittle quail]

no

[mint urchin]

It buffs envenom thus higher spatter

[brittle quail]

no

doesnt work like that

it does buff envenom dmg

but after spatter is applied

so it doesnt count for cleave

in low key it can be a lose in dps to shiv your kingsbane target

if that target will die before kb ends

so you spread less kb

and end up losing dps

shiv is purely an increase in st

you still want to do it in aoe but be careful about your main target dying too early might prefer shiv another random target if that happens

[mint urchin]

You are saying it takes the dam from envenom then applies spatter then modified the shiv dam on the target?

That seems... awkward

[brittle quail]

yes

[lavish geyser]

how do you guys make gold?

[warm ravine]

Do you have to tab target a bunch in this spec v

[lavish geyser]

I cant rly run another one of my keys, cuz I have 40 gold

[brittle quail]

i only mouseover

[warm ravine]

Would a plater be helpful to know which has what? I mean there’s so many idk lol

[brittle quail]

yes ofc

i only track garrote / rupture spatter tho

on plater

[mint urchin]

I tab cause otherwise I find myself out of range for rupture spreading and hitting dead gcds

[brittle quail]

does happen to me but i lose way less time than tabbing to the right target

[lavish geyser]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[mint urchin]

I use a focus macro for my primary target to just instant swap back

It's worked okay

[brittle quail]

ha yeah i use focus to kick

[lavish geyser]

@balmy condor is it possible to take the element of that pandemic feature you have, and add it to my own plater? instead of having to completely copy yours?

[mint urchin]

I macroed it into ambush for Mark application

It's not a great solution I admit

[brittle quail]

i mean there is no great solution

just the one your efficient with

[mint urchin]

Well the issue is it doesn't refocus on DN application lol

So it's really just on opener

[late tusk]

I am trolling with that stats? Trying to focus on Crit, but im like 60% mastery

[runic hinge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[lavish geyser]

think you gain mastery easy

im not sure though

[late tusk]

I know but I mean, its a little bit too much no?

[brittle quail]

sim angle but i'm pretty sure you lack some haste

[late tusk]

I just play M+s

But ye, how i can do that¿

[runic hinge]

What does your dungeon slice sim say

[late tusk]

Find the stats i need

i mean

[runic hinge]

use the gear in your bags and sim top gear

[brittle quail]

raidbot

top gear

[runic hinge]

simple as that

[brittle quail]

dslice

[late tusk]

But I mean, i dont have items on bags

[brittle quail]

and sim different gear with different stat from your bags

[late tusk]

i should look for it

[brittle quail]

you can import any item from name if you need too

but how do you not have a single item from bags at that ilvl?

[late tusk]

I just sell them

last time i cleaned bags

[brittle quail]

well i keep everything never know when balance hit some stat might change

[mint urchin]

What is this "clean bag" thing you speak of?

[brittle lynx]

is it possible to sim which gear upgrades (current gear) would give me the highest dps increase?

Like I need raidbots to pick a single piece

[coral ibex]

that is explicitly the purpose of top gear

[late tusk]

selling all that is not bis xD

I needed gold

so just sell everything but equipped

[runic hinge]

bis is fake news

[rotund oak]

plz tell me that 1% isnt from cursed haste ring enchant

[gloomy heart]

Can i sim items i dont have?

[rotund oak]

yeah

[gloomy heart]

How do i do that

[rotund oak]

droptimizer/top gear

or quick sim

[thorn fjord]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[rotund oak]

gear compare sorry

[gloomy heart]

Im tryna tc if i wanna play chest tier and helmet non tier

[late tusk]

mmm i got the 315 enchants

i am trolling?

[gloomy heart]

No that mog goes hard fosure

i fw it

[rotund oak]

on a vacuum we ditch chest iirc

[gloomy heart]

vacuum?

[young light]

I have a question. In ST for M+, obviously our priority is keeping env up, especially with TTK. Does this include not sending full CBP envs or just sending w/e you can?

[normal mist]

ditch

[normal mist]

5+

7 if DN up

[young light]

Ok, cool. Thanks

[rotund oak]

the ''hypothetical'' highend minmax

[gloomy heart]

I see

[rotund oak]

sub crafts head sin crafts chest

but might not be the case

should ask whispyr

if anyone knows its him

[hallow pelican]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[normal mist]

@rotund oak i'm almost done with this patch

i'll not even bother with 10s this season

[desert cove]

I love this tier’s rogue set

[rotund oak]

cant blame u its joever season,SV oneshots tanks randomly,sht is broken still

[desert cove]

Especially the mythic variant

[desert cove]

That and the “classic” dungeons they picked for the season are kinda mid

[normal mist]

i'll be honest, it's not that i'm not skilled enough to complete a 10, it's more that i rather waste that time which i'd be breaking keys left and right to farm other stuff // not play wow at all

I'm 626 for christ sake

[vast patio]

The one shots aren't random, they get a debuff that basically makes them take a shitload extra dam, so unless they have cds rolling if they try to take it they explode on a big pull.

[rotund oak]

my rat rogue is the same,did like 4-5 10s but i cba tbh,unless i que my keys and push them no reason to pug,unfortunately rogue isnt a mage 😦

my mage got insta invited,even at the start of the season

its what it is

[normal mist]

And i honestly feel quite "done" ilvl wise

[rotund oak]

there isnt much to accomplish,its how u feel comfortable with urself

ill touch 630-632 and hit my breaks

[normal mist]

i CAN go higher with 8/9s, by crafting / recrafting gear to 636

but if you think i'll waste my time Q'ing just to recraft my wrists to 636 or my boots? xD

[north fulcrum]

soooo i read that chain pulling mobs is only a 3% dmg decrease

[lavish geyser]

finally!

[normal mist]

depends on the chain pulling

[north fulcrum]

do you have to play differently?

[normal mist]

a good chainpulling? amazing

a lets drag this mob at 5% hp to the next pack and the rogue can't reset pull? shit

[north fulcrum]

i see

a goood chain pulll is what %?

[normal mist]

the idea behind a chainpull

is dragging a pack with like 2-3 (or more) mobs at like 20-30% hp to the next pack, so you can have stacks of scent of blood rolling already

[north fulcrum]

i see i see

soo lets say they do a good chain pull

do i want to applly garrote on all mobs?

[solar wyvern]

Tanks are scared of that because what if those 20-30% mobs stop taking damage

[normal mist]

rupture is prio

[solar wyvern]

What if my dps just

[normal mist]

garrote on main target

[solar wyvern]

Stop doing damage

[gloomy heart]

Simming it rn on tournament realm

[solar wyvern]

5% is safer :^)

[rotund oak]

watching them streams btw

checked out mandatory,now its holy moly

[north fulcrum]

and if its a bad chain pull i go into vanish?

[rotund oak]

double cheese peperoni on the pizza^^

[gloomy heart]

yeah hopeful is tier helm but the other rogue wasnt

[rotund oak]

dunno the rules on tourny realm

if its transfered loot or vendor

[north fulcrum]

thanks for the info chef

[gleaming lark]

whats a good tinker for bracers ?

[gloomy heart]

wym by transfered like catalysed?

or moved gear from retail

[real frost]

can someone explain to me how i die to the fiery ricochet here

i cloaked that spell many times before

[rotund oak]

essentially copy ur character form retail ye

[meager lion]

Does anyone what poisins an assassination rogue should use?

[gloomy heart]

You get every item in game

From vendor

[rotund oak]

cool

[gloomy heart]

so essentially, everyone is 639

[rotund oak]

idk maybe its personal preference then or some sim that made two rogues play with diff tier slots

(what u said earlier)

[tired gull]

the easiest way to play is to go full ST build, whether you want to play deathstalker or fatebound is up to you, fatebound has 0 thought, so probably easiest, use pure ST for sikran and kyveza, and then swap to caustic spatter for all others (and i guess pure ST for rashanan cause spatter won't hit the adds unless they're right under the boss

[rotund oak]

big hypothetical

[gloomy heart]

Yeah well isnt hopeful a mage main, maybe he just copied someone on there

[rotund oak]

yup bigmageboi

[lavish geyser]

do we run tierslot on shoulders?

[gloomy heart]

yea

i think i may get a big mast helm and play chest tier

[lavish geyser]

this is what im rockin rn

[cobalt sphinx]

i use shoulders because you can get them on the auction house

+1 vault

[lavish geyser]

on myth?

[late tusk]

Will give Fatebound a chance, im used to deathstalker on mythics i think i get the rotation

[lavish geyser]

I took it for myth track when I played outlaw

[gloomy heart]

yeah i have 88g i cannot afford mythtrack shoulders LOL

[lavish geyser]

DAMN

youre rich

[gloomy heart]

balling

[lavish geyser]

got 40

[gloomy heart]

even more balling

[lavish geyser]

just got invited to 11, mists. gonnna run it natty 😉

still gonna ++ cuz its mists

[devout remnant]

!meld

[solar wyvern]

I bricked a 14 mists because i ripped aggro through tricks during my cds on a gigapull

Dk tank moment

[lavish geyser]

dude, same thing happened to me XD, was Gb, and did the same XD

[rotund oak]

how do u agro over tricks

is that even possible

[solar wyvern]

Bro i have no idea

[lavish geyser]

if tank is healing adds ofc

[solar wyvern]

It runs out and then i see the nameplate go orange

And i press evasion

[lethal turtle]

Tricks prob ran out

[thorn fjord]

I've always been under the impression that tricks on sin is basically useless

[solar wyvern]

And its still orange

And im like

Taunt????

[rotund oak]

even if he stands still for the tricks duration he literally generates the rogue agro

[solar wyvern]

I swear tricks is bugged man

Sometimes i just rip aggro

[rotund oak]

[lavish geyser]

well happened to me as well.

might have been a bug then idk

[rotund oak]

i take agro during my cds as well happened twice on gb and sige

but idk

not over tricks

[solar wyvern]

I wonder if it has to do with vanish

[coral ibex]

what icon is this?

[solar wyvern]

Some weird aggro redirection

[lavish geyser]

im so used to playing tricks for outlaw, is it necessary? for 13 sv I took the blind talent

for the big annoying pulls

[rotund oak]

maybe ye,like it resets the transfer when tricks is active

[solar wyvern]

Sigil of misery Dh fear

[rotund oak]

!bug

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[coral ibex]

hell yea just got fucking griefed by our tank in grim batol

[solar wyvern]

Ah the classic blunder

[coral ibex]

not fixated on me

[solar wyvern]

I may have bricked some 10s week 1 doing that

[coral ibex]

gg key

[solar wyvern]

Yep thats how it works with ccs

Only stuns dont redirect afaik

[coral ibex]

i know fears do this

idk how this dh didn't

[lavish geyser]

how th did you die before boss ecounter, XD

[solar wyvern]

Blind does

[coral ibex]

ill give you 1 guess

this was not pull 1 of this boss

[solar wyvern]

Incap roar, freezing trap, blinding light, snowball

[lavish geyser]

oh

yikes

[fresh kelp]

cloak 🙂

[solar wyvern]

Seems like non-hard cc fucks their aggro and fixates

Oh true

[lavish geyser]

been through some of those, my sympathies brotha

[solar wyvern]

Immunes too XD

[rotund oak]

@vestal wren sir,is there any weird interaction with tricks,like if we vanish during tricks we reset the agro or something?

[lavish geyser]

just doing some chil runs.... or was going to

how is mists 11 not popular? its a fast dungeon

[rotund oak]

its even affix friendly

idk

[fresh kelp]

anyone doing io keys is at 12+ and anyone doing gear will just do 10

[solar wyvern]

12s or the only key people queue for

[lavish geyser]

oh forgot abt affix as well

what even is this weeks affix?

[rotund oak]

emissary

[solar wyvern]

Cdr mob

[lavish geyser]

oh yeah that is right, that is a pretty nice one right?

[keen spruce]

any melders

[solar wyvern]

Its annoying

Desyncs my skardyns from deathmark

[lavish geyser]

cause of the cdr?

[keen spruce]

yeah the vers is nice but you end up holding for trinket anyways

[vestal wren]

vanish drops aggro, but not sure what exactly you mean

[solar wyvern]

Yeah

[keen spruce]

so you don't actually get any CDR

[lavish geyser]

but you wanna use em at the same time

[keen spruce]

realistically

[vestal wren]

iirc you can still get trickster tricks

[solar wyvern]

Sometimes we rip aggro during cds through tricks as sin

[vestal wren]

on other specs by applying it and switching hero talents/spec

[rotund oak]

like u start attking and tricks triggers and starts transfering threat to the tank,u vanish during that stage

what does it happen

[lavish geyser]

sad that tricker is only usefull for the 1hr ttot

XD

just a deathsentence in m+ at least for outlaw

[vestal wren]

its also useful for snapping or other similar strategies

[lavish geyser]

wth is snapping?

[hallow pelican]

im gonna mindlessly grind out the rest of the Nerubian Chitin farm for Siesberg today ... anyoe have any solo farm recommendations that doesnt involve follower dungeons?

[rotund oak]

[lavish geyser]

wut?

[coral ibex]

its an advanced pulling technique that basically teleports adds to you

[rotund oak]

its when u ''snap'' packs to a certain location by using specific threat/redirection strategies.Entire packs teleport etc

atal dazar is a textbook example

of snapping

[lavish geyser]

kinda like in NW?

where you get the throwing add onto the last boss?

that trick they use in mdi

[past bobcat]

Is this troll for ass?

[orchid pewter]

Exactly

[rotund oak]

thats an example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kn15Rs99ng

[hallow pelican]

nope

[gloomy heart]

thi seems bis for raid

[lavish geyser]

isnt this combo bis for m+?

[hallow pelican]

maybe but im not a fan of spyglass. ovinax and void reaper are a little better IMO

[keen spruce]

most of the time

yeah

contract doesn't sim that well for me

[coral ibex]

i agree

[hallow pelican]

nerubian chitin ... good solo farms. anyone?

[keen spruce]

compared to crystal or spyglass

[strange python]

For the mount? Follower dungeon city of echos.

[lavish geyser]

yeah kinda slaps, I just need em on myth track :C

[hallow pelican]

is there one that doesnt involve follower dungeons? i cant fucking stand grinding those out. the NPC hunter pulls the entire fucking instance constantly

[lavish geyser]

I kinda like this row in general,

[gloomy heart]

yeah i was js for raid

that was bis

[coral ibex]

any worm enjoyers

[lavish geyser]

on my DH yes, not on this

my ring also has speed🥳

[normal mist]

Isn't this missing emb?

[gloomy heart]

Yeah ofc can do dagger bracer

[late tusk]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/grL42myzM19xUo3yZQ17pM Im simming with some Haste and it looks like it dont improve me despite my 1% haste

Im doing something bad?

[normal mist]

Why patchwerk 5target

[hallow pelican]

3.6 mil seems high ...

[late tusk]

Cause I do mythic plus

[hallow pelican]

why not dungeon slice then?

[normal mist]

Shouldn't it be dungeonslice then?

[hallow pelican]

jinx

[late tusk]

Mages said me it was n pathwerk better

[normal mist]

We aren't mages

[late tusk]

when o played mage at least

Ah thast legit

im even more troll than thought then

will check it

[thorn fjord]

gtfo

[strange python]

I mean probably but that’s generally the fastest way.

[normal mist]

No u

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah i think rogue is one of the only classes that does dungeon slice

dungeon slice is total trash garbage for half the specs

[runic hinge]

Gotta be maintained

probably a pain

[late tusk]

AH thats better i guesshttps://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6X7KGQzmwMhvH9nHqvaGJF

[limber coral]

anyone have a list of debuffs that are good to just keep on the blacklist for plater

for assa

[lavish geyser]

dude youre right

mid mists rn

jsut got this little number, skardyns and that neck back to back

[pastel gazelle]

10 stonevault

628 with no grace

is this average or lower?

[cobalt sphinx]

seems fine

[lavish geyser]

what haste level should we be at?

roughly

[final star]

whatever haste your gear gets you to

there is no number

[lethal turtle]

w/e simc tells you

[warm steppe]

Yeah I copied whatever the sim had then changed a bit from there

[gloomy heart]

Ty ❤️

[inner current]

!talents

[north fulcrum]

im a wa noob and new to rogue. How can i make caustic splatter glow when it hits 3 seconds left?

[coral ibex]

add a glow in display and then make a condition based on your caustic spatter trigger to enable the glow when <= 3

[lavish geyser]

heard that stat sims arent rly that accurate

[limber lion]

????

[lavish geyser]

ye

[limber lion]

From where

Or who

[lavish geyser]

Dh disc

[limber lion]

There's nothing more accurate than sims

LUL

Yeah maybe for DH

[lavish geyser]

told to just sim the individual peices

isntead

[north fulcrum]

oh i see thanks brother

[limber lion]

That's wild

Rogue sims are perfectly fine

There literally is no better choice

It is the best thing we have

By far

[coral ibex]

isn't the whole post about stats that they dont matter

[lavish geyser]

okok cool

[coral ibex]

why would you sim stat weights

[lavish geyser]

🙂

[limber lion]

Yes

[coral ibex]

isntead of simming gear

[limber lion]

Stats literally do not matter

You should not look at stats

[coral ibex]

this guy is confused and thinks you just told him to sim his stats

[limber lion]

Just use whatever Top Gear tells you to use

[lavish geyser]

so like having a trinket that gives 5k mastery is irellevant?

[limber lion]

What?

[lavish geyser]

stats dont matter

[limber lion]

No a good trinket is still a good trinket

If it sims better than the other options, then it's the better choice

Doesn't matter what the stat is

We've had trinkets in the past that gave us versatility

[coral ibex]

particular stats dont matter, ie you shouldnt chase a haste vs mastery item

[limber lion]

That were the best choice

And haste trinkets as well

[coral ibex]

you should get the items that sim best

[limber lion]

And crit trinkets

The stat on it does not matter

You want an on-use stat trinket for Deathmark/KB windows

And Skardyn's is the best

[lavish geyser]

just out of curiousity could I have 0 mastery and only vers crit, and be doing as much dmg as somone of same skill level with the right stats?

[limber lion]

Not exactly, but very close yes

Obviously someone who gears perfectly will do more damage than someone who trolls and slaps on whatever gear/enchants/gems

[lavish geyser]

btw just played the first 11 of the day, and dude the affix making skardyns and mark not match suuucks

[limber lion]

But that's literally the point of Top Gear

[lethal turtle]

who runs stat sims. run top gear

[limber lion]

You don't have to think about stats or anything

You choose the items you have in Top Gear

[lavish geyser]

played hella long just not using it cause I thought my macro did it

[limber lion]

Be it trinkets or whatever

[fresh kelp]

they said not to use stat weights

[limber lion]

And use whatever the robot says

[limber lion]

There you go then

[fresh kelp]

which is true

[limber lion]

You don't use Stat Weights for any spec

Not a single one in the game

Because it does not matter

[fresh kelp]

yes

[limber lion]

And it's much more complicated than that

Idk why people are still so fixated on stats

[limber lion]

Yeh it is what it is

[lavish geyser]

its kinda funny seeing multiple ppl in the different discords kinda fun to see, dunno why

[merry bison]

MDI is so lame

Who are those people playing

[lavish geyser]

dude my uptime was horrible cause I forgot that It was offset

[merry bison]

They‘re actually not good

[lavish geyser]

I made the condition to remove skardyns visibility from my wa, since mark and trinket line up. So I just played hella long without it

[past bobcat]

but if i regem and enchant everything i will gain 3000 dps!

lmao

[simple stirrup]

guys do you know when does shadowmeld -> restealth work and when it doesnt?
Conditions like no dots applied or stealth detect mob or smth like that

[lavish geyser]

should I play with 4 man team who has never timed a 12 for my 12 sv? they have ++11 and +11 on all

[limber lion]

Why not

[limber lion]

Just gotta move a bit away from the mobs

Obviously does not work on mobs/encounters that have global combat

Like bosses

[lavish geyser]

i just didnt know if the teamfactor made it irellevant that they havent timed a 12

[limber lion]

12 or 11, it's all the same right

[lavish geyser]

no

oh

well ig in some ways

[limber lion]

Well if they've timed literally every single +11

I don't see any reason not to do a +12 with them

[lavish geyser]

no +11

[limber lion]

Yeah that's what I meant

Can't time +12's if you never do 12's

[solar wyvern]

they gotta time a 12 somehow

[lavish geyser]

yeah

[solar wyvern]

and if they do good

you can party up

and suddenly you got a team goin

[lavish geyser]

but you need to be a hypocrite in pugging that is nr 1 rule

be angry for not getting invited,

[solar wyvern]

Nah

[oak badger]

how good is this trinket?

[lavish geyser]

be hella picky when choosing

[solar wyvern]

Just refix your key

[limber lion]

Very good

[solar wyvern]

and go again

I love taking chances on pugs

[limber lion]

Cannot get it on Myth track however so it loses to other Myth track trinkets at super high ilvl

[solid hemlock]

how big are the pulls on Dslice sims?

[limber lion]

It varies

4-6 mob pulls and 1-3 mob pulls

Alternates between large and small packs

[solid hemlock]

aight ty

[rotund oak]

very good

[static glacier]

it's pretty much bis contender for its ilvl

higher ilvl trinks can win but at same ilvl you'll struggle forr a passive trink to beat this

[valid pulsar]

Where does this trinket drop at the end of tier 8 delves?

[limber lion]

Yo wtf

Am I muted or what

Answered the guy a year ago

[lavish geyser]

i took the wrong chance XD, tank wasnt very good :C

but hey, thats pugging

[elfin garden]

!wa

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[jaunty lotus]

wait, since when do we run forced induction over lethality on raid builds?

[royal lantern]

1 week?

[jaunty lotus]

I missed that i think

[wide sleet]

We all been there. My key this week been rolleecoaster. Started 14-15-14-13-12-14-13-12.
Is has not been a fun week so far

[deep breach]

guys. need some advice... i have myth track sacbrood and hero empowering crystal. i am on about run 70 of gb for skardyns and im beginning to lose my mind. is it even worth it?

[solar wyvern]

yes, transmitter is also good

[merry bison]

Fuck transmitter, go gb

pray and play

[deep breach]

😭

[merry bison]

If people tell you transmitter is worth it

Its not

[deep breach]

i cant seem to even add it on sims

[merry bison]

I listened to them

Biggest scam

[winged quail]

transmitter is trash as soon as there's more than one target

[deep breach]

just comes up with the old item and no this seasons

[merry bison]

Im 66th runs deep on gb

Never lose hope

[pliant remnant]

Hey I'm 65 runs deep

[merry bison]

soon

[pliant remnant]

I just fill vault and then stop grinding it though

Mental's gone

[deep breach]

anyone know how to find it so i can sim? its just not showing up

[pliant remnant]

Vault

[merry bison]

Imagine having skardyns and not parsing 99🗿

[runic hinge]

hey i did 4

[merry bison]

noobs

[west crown]

Imagine, not farming skardyns at all, and getting it a few weeks into season from vault

You wouldn’t understand

[merry bison]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-thiago-mad-angry-fist-emoji-gif-17761307

[runic hinge]

just loot it!

[proper nest]

anyone got a nice garrote tracker for AOE ?

[west crown]

!wa

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[golden loom]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[frosty bridge]

someone hook me up with a fatebound M+ build

[golden loom]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character

[quasi stump]

the mdi inspires me to pull the entire hallway from the second boss of GB

[balmy prism]

tgp is so much more fun to watch imo

that ingra from cursed tho

jesus

[late tusk]

Hello

Got a doubt cause i were playing supercharg and now i see we should play subterfuge no?

now double vanish is worth it? It was not suppose to make us lose dmg?

[dawn heath]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/j3iqxD3HRVb-dQS2e?invite=cr-MSxFbmMsMTcyMzI0NTA1LA seems fair?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1299068807859404832/1304924625377038336/image.png?ex=67312943&is=672fd7c3&hm=4892c88518a59c4235cb8c62223126fd8613dae5abaa7c01959ef18afb14ad4f& 592 equipped

these are my banger weapons

[balmy prism]

you can play either

[keen spruce]

we were doing
a 13 db homework key
and we land in p2 of last boss
kick the cast
and the key ends
boss "died" at 63.9% hp

[runic hinge]

They changed it with the recent patch and buffed master assassin. So it can be a dps gain

[spring socket]

heya. whats the new changes to the hybrid build on wowhead

[runic hinge]

Happens. Cool bug

I mean jk you’re exploiter. Banned

[past bobcat]

Anyone know what that better blizzard bar addon is?

instead of plater

[blazing pumice]

what

[errant mauve]

When looking at upgrades and side grades how much dps increase is negligible and how much dps is considered a large jump

[blazing pumice]

idk that is a how long is a piece of string question

[novel star]

ye idk subjective

[errant mauve]

Hmm yea

16k big increase at 629 ilvl, I’d say yes but in the grand scheme 16k really isn’t a ton

[spring socket]

how come all the builds dropping lethality ?

[blazing pumice]

cuz it got nerfed

[novel star]

Ok nvm ur buggin 16k is huge

[blazing pumice]

"bug fixed"

[errant mauve]

Lol

[barren yarrow]

So am I reading this correctly “
Evasion also reduces damage taken by 20%, and Feint also reduces non-area-of-effect damage taken by 20%.” So we basically with elusiveness we have 3 charges of 20% damage reduction?

[novel star]

it used to double dip on kingsbane, it no longer does

[dense cloud]

getting insanely unlucky with dagger vault drop, should i craft a 636 weap for offhand or is it a waste

[errant mauve]

Which one is lethality again? Crit increase and crit dmg increase on point builders right?

[barren yarrow]

What’s the new build look like then?

[novel star]

wowhead

[errant mauve]

How did it double dip though? KB is a point builder

[blazing pumice]

yes

[barren yarrow]

Nice!

[novel star]

don’t ask me idk it just did

it got double value

[merry bison]

instead of lethality they just go without a trace?

[blazing pumice]

that is "the build" yes

it's not the only build

and that's not necessarily what high end key runners are using

[merry bison]

forced induction aint the cheat

supercharger kinda meh

for pugging I think its a nice thing to have a second vanish

especially when tank doesnt respect restealth

also more cc controll and silence is neat

[autumn gyro]

!shiv

[late tusk]

Hello, noobie question here, how can i simm the gems i do?

[autumn gyro]

should you shiv whenever its up and KB is down?

[left rose]

any tips for zekvir (??) have problems with the Spittle

[solar wyvern]

shiv is 30s cd, kb is 1min

unless you're running 2shivs, just shiv on cd

[upbeat osprey]

If you search "off hand" in this channel there's been some recent discussion. I don't know enough to answer your question but take a look there

[solar wyvern]

just try to have it up for last 8 sec of kb

[merry bison]

u just scroll down on raidbots and chose the gems u want to sim

[woeful wigeon]

was in not in the pins ?

[vast patio]

trying casual's build and it's pretty nice.

[solar wyvern]

What is mr. strimmers build

Is it just 1 talent moved or something wildin

[vast patio]

CMQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeMjZmZGmx2MAAAAAAMLw2MAAAAAA02yMzgZGjZmZZ2GzMYmZmZwMzsZZMDw2MLjNGzY2aMLLDT2GGWA

[crimson shale]

Hello! I am simming and WOwheads mythic build is simming at 1.5 mil for me but its ST build is only simming at 1 mil on patchwerk 5 minutes. Does caustic splatter damage the target its on as well as the aoe

[normal mist]

OH is a waste

Your goal is to get the biggest MH, either Myth or crafted

[vast patio]

I'd probably miss subterfuge less if I was a nelf

[solar wyvern]

Oh so just scent of blood build

yeah its nice

[crimson shale]

Does anyone have any idea why the sims would be so different

[late tusk]

But here i chosed them and i dont see how are they simmed, it means i got the best oens? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jwhuxZ1jnSTPCpUo2xaJVK

[woeful meteor]

link sim

[crimson shale]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iDVfQiBhQijSoPLF2fW2Tx

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hY44ue5SfCiGqDiCvduWoQ

first one is the mythic build second one is pure ST

both done on patchwerk

ohw ait

its dungeon slice

[woeful meteor]

they are both dungeon slice sims

[crimson shale]

I am just an idiot

thank you for coming to my ted talk on how to be a dum dum

Does anyone have good WA recommendations

[upbeat osprey]

!wa

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[crimson shale]

do you use them all or are they things for us to choose from

[limber lion]

choose

like ceverion plater and whispyr wa

or whisp plater and le wa

[merry bison]

they all got simmed

the ones you have rn are the best regarding sim

[wind totem]

I know mdi is not live but why are the rogues using Empowring crystal for a passive trinket instead of spyglass or ara trinket? I got a myth track one and wonder if it's better than my myth track spyglass. Sims says no but idk.

[vast patio]

they're all close and spyglass has an edge in st i think.

sim on aoe i guess, but I'd probably pick a different slot if you can

[wraith girder]

What are the realistic and desired uptimes of our main debuffs on targets in M+?

[hushed blade]

Boys. What’s the best overall performing embellishment at the moment for rogue assa ? And what weapon enchant is a go to ?

[rare mulch]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[wispy epoch]

!wa

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[onyx falcon]

Dobby is finally free o.o 56 GBs

[deep breach]

gz

now it'll be in your vault every week

[hushed blade]

Up

[west crown]

Embellishments are all shit, but dawnthread for m+, ascension for raid. Depths for raid, radiant for m+

[cedar hare]

Well its only hc track. So lets pray its in his vault

[west crown]

Crystal is good but sim for best options. Everyone’s gear is different

[cedar hare]

Embalishments are like 1-1.5% dmg only

[solar wyvern]

did a lil number on this 13

[limber lion]

gz

[solar wyvern]

rogue go brr

[potent lance]

Vspeed spam #bonespikeisfake on his stream

What he mean?

[full summit]

!wa

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[strong hawk]

Hey guys, noob question how difficult will it be to kill Zekvir ?? with 613 ilvl and zone drop trinkets?

[novel star]

impossible because it requires you to do delves without closing the game from boredom

[severe meadow]

What level Brann do you have

[novel star]

other than that fine probably

[strong hawk]

bran is 44

[severe meadow]

I killed ?? around 620 with a 40 Brann

So prob not that bad

[strong hawk]

Last time I tried was at 605 and got 2 hit without cheatdeath lol

[rancid violet]

another noob question 🙂
how important is brann for bountiful delves level 8 - ilvl <600

because he is level 15 or so 😄

[severe meadow]

You prob got crit, he hits around 3-4m if he auto crits

[strong hawk]

I'll give it a go and see what happens, thanks guys!

[gloomy heart]

worth to drop sanguine for twist in m+?

[potent lance]

No drop wire for it ithink

Cant remember talent name let me check 1 sec

[gloomy heart]

Iron wire

[forest nacelle]

but that util.

[potent lance]

Yeap

Drop that who cares about 4 sec silence be selfish

XD

[severe meadow]

Any Night Elf Rogue gamers

[gloomy heart]

When do i trade Lethality (1) for a second vanish charge

[potent lance]

Im nightelf

[potent lance]

Do not do that 2nd vanish is waste you dont need that at all

[normal mist]

wild claim

[potent lance]

XD

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-sure-about-that-meme-benjammins-are-you-sure-about-that-are-you-sure-about-that-gif-you-sure-about-that-gif-8781824119639160166

[potent lance]

Yeappp

i mean lethality have more impacts than a 2nd vanish

[forest nacelle]

also a wild claim.

[potent lance]

You are not gonna use it more than 3 times in a key

[normal mist]

Brother

don't yap

[potent lance]

Hahaha

Im just sharing my opinion so

If you have some too tell us

[normal mist]

your opinion =/= a fact

[bleak spoke]

i hate it here

[normal mist]

same

[forest nacelle]

same

[potent lance]

Hmmm

[late kestrel]

i have spyglass and void reapers - if i sim to see which one is better for me does it take into account the abilities?

or is it just based on the stats they have

[normal mist]

abilities ofc

[late kestrel]

like raidbots takes it into account

?

[potent lance]

Anyways light me up how can 2nd vanish be good more than lethality?

[bleak spoke]

yes, it simulates it properly

[late kestrel]

perfect tysm

[kind gorge]

how do we sim for m + dung and slice ?

[normal mist]

yes

[late kestrel]

there we goo

spyglass and contract it is

[novel star]

idk both are fine

[gloomy heart]

+200 huge

[novel star]

lethality got nerfed but you can still play it

[late kestrel]

that is the joke

[potent lance]

ah kk so on sims they have how much diffrence?

[novel star]

less than margin of error iirc

literally just play whatever

[potent lance]

Oh okk

[slate crown]

It's way less bad than it used to be

it used to be terrible because the talents in front of it did nothing for us, so it was basically a 4 talent point talent

[blissful cosmos]

in aoe when playign master assaination in mytic plus build do we vanish when kingsbane has 6 secs left then reapply bleeds?

[slate crown]

Now the talents in front of it are fine, good even

so, it's way less of an investment to get it

[random ravine]

Double vanish can be convenient too, especially if you PUG. It allows you to setup everything if chain pulling. If there's weird aggro shit you can still use 1 charge vanish to silence and put DR and it allows things to stabilize more easily. Sometimes convenience is also good in keys :).
With subterfuge and master assasin, it allows you to use 1 charge offensively / defensively if required and one for burst window too

[novel star]

12 seconds because you play subterfuge with ma

[blissful cosmos]

oh shit

[lusty kraken]

I finally made the spec click in my head and it feels so nice to play

[gloomy heart]

yeah i hate tanks that chainpull

HATE

[novel star]

i love tanks who chain pull properly

[random ravine]

It's not that much of a less if you setup your ruptures quickly

But

[novel star]

which is none of them

[random ravine]

if you play Ironwire you benefit less

[earnest remnant]

come the chainpuller

[random ravine]

of it for a new pack

[gloomy heart]

just let me restealth good sir

ty

[earnest remnant]

become*

[merry bison]

You don’t play with Iron Wire ?!?!?!??!?!!!?!

[novel star]

i’ve thought about it

[blissful cosmos]

do we reapply bleeds?

[potent lance]

I got it thank you but i was on a stream of a top rogue players he said double vanish isnt good at all and not impact full more than lethality

[blissful cosmos]

or just keep pumping?

[novel star]

ruptures yes

[potent lance]

True i like this idea too

[slate crown]

[novel star]

5 ruptures is more or less a requirement

[slate crown]

You can always ask that streamer

[novel star]

because of 20% agility buff

[slate crown]

instead of asking here

because they're the one that said it

[lusty kraken]

Do you guys use vanish in keys for improved garrote or do you use it strictly for utility?

When not playing MA

[merry bison]

Utility ain‘t increasing parses so there is your answer

[novel star]

i use vanish for multiple things

it’s situational

[potent lance]

🤣😂

[novel star]

you shouldn’t limit yourself to always using it for one thing

especially when playing wat

[slate crown]

I don't use vanish in m+

(I don't play M+)

[lusty kraken]

Sometimes I find myself holding vanish thinking I will need it but never using it

[merry bison]

I use it to fuck off peacefully to heartstone back to dornogal when the tank dies in a bad pull

[novel star]

even without wat you can sometimes hold a bit but pressing it on cd or close to on cd is usually best in that case

[random ravine]

But since DPS is what matters for some people, there's a lot of variations and builds out there, at the end of the day, if you apply and execute the fundamentals, you'll still do good damage so it's a matter of preference.

There's more to improve in what you're doing before thinking about this point or this one

and ease of play is oftenly better

Like some people tend to drop bone spikes to take all the juice, but bone spikes is super convenient and strong and allows you to setup quickly so it can be considered a gain

[normal mist]

People be asking for the op 360 no scope 3.5k io builds and then die to frontals / lack of dungeon knowledge

thats why talking about builds is funny

[runic hinge]

Crazy streamers say double vanish is bad now for 1% lethality dps when the start of the season it was omg wtf bbq the utility

Or dropping iron wire

[slate crown]

Streaming was a mistake.

[royal lantern]

99% of dungeon runs are not decided by dps

and people greed for 0,00001% increases

[normal mist]

"Mister streamer X said we should drop iron wire because damage, i did it and now there are so many casts going off that we die over and over again, my dps should kill those adds before they start casting right??"

[royal lantern]

instead of looking at the actual problems

[balmy condor]

I'm not here to ask what a streamer thinks, I'm here to parrot a streamer with no explanation and then have everyone else try to justify the position like a demented game of telephone. Thank you for your suggestion though I will not be listening

[novel star]

it’s literally just ppl taking the wowhead build or whatever and getting bored after 20 keys of it so they overthink changes and force some dumb shit

that’s why it’s opposite day perma

m+ players are just bored

nothing else to do

[slate crown]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1304492929171197984/comments_of_the_deranged.gif

[balmy condor]

what running 300 keys does to a mfer

reinvent wheel

[novel star]

ye

[runic hinge]

I’m swapping stuff around to figure out what I find comfy but as long as the key gets timed it’s whatever

[royal lantern]

TWW launch: "WTF you play double vanish becuase IRON WIRE IS THE ONLY REASON YOU PLAY ASSA!!!!!! losing 5% dps is WORTH IT you DONT KNOW REAL KEYS"

double vanish is good now: "you dont play iron wire because DAMAGE IS THE ONLY IMPORTANT THING, getting those 0,2% more overall dmg is THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IN HIGH KEYS"

its an actual joke

m+ andys will always say the opposite of whats reasonable

every single time

[runic hinge]

My brain is riotting

[gloomy heart]

this all started bc i asked lethal over dbl van LOL

[runic hinge]

Just reading this channel these days

[novel star]

it started months ago

[royal lantern]

ye sorry, we see that question 200000000x a day

[novel star]

with inbreds typing about double vanish

[random ravine]

I'm a lurker here, and it's everyday the same song 😄

[balmy condor]

yeah, all the regulars are legit cooked at this point because you sparked the same question for the trillionth time and we're all coping

it's legit brainrot to us at this point

[novel star]

you just reignited the embers

[balmy condor]

can't take it anymore

[runic hinge]

[balmy condor]

brain explode

[gloomy heart]

my bad guys LOL

[novel star]

hey whispyr how do you feel about ovinaxs mercurial egg

[random ravine]

I just wait for the next 20 lines paragraph about builds from @balmy condor before I got to bed

[runic hinge]

Assa played every key in mdi and im gonna cry about it

[royal lantern]

nah, our fault for reacting like assholes

[balmy condor]

it's.... I mean it's good, but you gotta spend a little bit of effort thinking about it

[novel star]

nice

[gloomy heart]

I like seeing multiple points, i will change the talents based on who im playing with

[balmy condor]

it's so good that you probably don't need to GIGA optimize

but like

if there's nothing else to do

[novel star]

i wont be playing it still

[balmy condor]

you can think about your egg and prep for a move

[novel star]

but nice

[balmy condor]

or something

it's not the most awful thing but on kyveza with transmitter/egg my brain was exploding

[novel star]

what if im busy thinking about your egg bro…

[royal lantern]

the thing about assa is

there are unironically 100 different combinations of the same few talents that all have no big difference bettwen eachother

in m+

[balmy condor]

more than 100

I did the math a couple days ago and we landed at like 480 or 540

somewhere in that range

depends how you count it

[slate crown]

[runic hinge]

Yeah and that’s exciting for me but people come in and want cookie cutter omega dps

[gloomy heart]

so i should play what works for me?

[novel star]

Yeah sorry my bad

[runic hinge]

Yes always

It’s all good. Assa blasts

Just don’t drop iron wire

[balmy condor]

legit roll like a d6 for class tree and then a d20 for spec tree and let the dice pick

[gloomy heart]

May have to take subter dbl vanish until higher keys bc most tanks in these 8-10s are just chain pulling

[royal lantern]

yeha ok

but whats the best??

[novel star]

someone should make ultimate bravery for m+ builds

[balmy condor]

you can basically blindly select talents and as long as they have kingsbane, carnage, caustic spatter, and crimson tempest

[gloomy heart]

i hate chain pulls if i dont get a re

[balmy condor]

you're basically good to go

like

that's good enough

everything else is just whatever the dice decide

[limber lion]

this is what i mean... the guy says 480 different combos, but doesn't say which one is the best one...

[novel star]

if the tank chain pulls properly it’s good and beats restealths

[gloomy heart]

yeah what a NOOB!

[runic hinge]

He’s gatekeeping!

[gloomy heart]

i would go nelf for this reason but i like dwarf 🙂

[normal mist]

i bet the best build is locked behind a paywall

[novel star]

99.9% of pug tanks don’t know how to chain pull tho so they do it too safely

[balmy condor]

you can legit play a build that takes kingsbane/dtb/carnage, and then puts points into zold, poison bomb, and scent of blood

[novel star]

and then it’s not good

[gloomy heart]

dwarf gang anyone

[balmy condor]

and it's fine

fuck capstones

[limber lion]

I love Zoldyck

so thank you, I will be doing that

[balmy condor]

you can do like 2 zold, 2 poison bomb, 1 scent

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/carunc-killua-caruncones-caruncolas-feijones-gif-26459449

[limber lion]

I wish I could take DTB without touching Poison Bomb

[gloomy heart]

I wish blindside was baseline

i love blindside

[balmy condor]

I wish m+ was deleted

[normal mist]

SAME

[balmy condor]

just the entire system

[normal mist]

also same

[balmy condor]

removed from the game

[limber lion]

You and me buddy

[novel star]

i wish they made poison bomb an active instead of a passive

remove crimson tempest

spender poison bomb

[balmy condor]

cooked

[novel star]

i’ve been saying this for years

[gloomy heart]

i love poison bomb too !

[limber lion]

Rather pull a gamba lever once every 2-3 hours and get a random item from a pool of hundreds

[lavish island]

I wish poison bomb also was ground targeted with a 2.5 second cast time and minigame to choose which poisons you brew for that specific cast

[gloomy heart]

everytime i get a poison bomb makes me feel like im doing 10mil dps

[slate crown]

any of you have any quick tips for mythic first 1-3 or so bosses in raid for cd timings and such? I haven't done mythic yet on anything

[limber lion]

still infected with the legion brain I see

[slate crown]

while you're all here

[gloomy heart]

KEK

just animation of it is nice

[novel star]

Idk i was a little idiot back then

[limber lion]

I think you slam everything on cd basically

[novel star]

i barely used this discord

[fresh schooner]

with twist the knife u gotta pool big ye?

[limber lion]

No pooling

Just slamming

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/call-from-based-department-gif-25645857

[limber lion]

TTK allows for you to ignore pooling actually

[slate crown]

ayeaye 🫡

[limber lion]

Cause you don't overlap Envenom anymore

[gloomy heart]

buff envenom guys

[novel star]

and suddenly in war within my message count went from 200 to 10k or whatever

[gloomy heart]

need to hit 10mils

non crit

[limber lion]

Nerf Envenom, buff Garry

[novel star]

sucked in

[gloomy heart]

bleed spec but its always bottom dam

we love envenom tho!

[limber lion]

22k, not too bad

[novel star]

holy

yea not terrible

[limber lion]

that's like 1/5th of me

[slate crown]

you've caught the yap

[limber lion]

And I'm like 1/5 of Whispyr

[gloomy heart]

[limber lion]

Well, 1/3

But you get the point

Funny memes

[novel star]

i wanna go back to being a lil casual that doesn’t care at all

[fresh schooner]

whats the point of TTK if ur not trying to hit envenoms in 2 stacks?

[gloomy heart]

which version of assa was the best for you guys

[novel star]

and talks about poison bomb

i care now and it sucks

[limber lion]

9.2

[novel star]

i’m still shit but i care

[royal lantern]

hmmmm, good question

[limber lion]

Outside of AoE

9.1 for Mythic+

[gloomy heart]

was 9.2 slands?

[limber lion]

Yes

[gloomy heart]

which season

[next wing]

anyone has

[limber lion]

Sepulcher

[next wing]

shindig discord?

server?

[novel star]

probably current

[limber lion]

The what now

[royal lantern]

i liked early BfA assa

[novel star]

or like

before ttk current

[gloomy heart]

i was a sub rogue pvp rat in sepulcher....

pvp is aids rn so im pveing my ass off

[novel star]

wow pvp has been aids since 2004 man

not fun

[gloomy heart]

try playing frost mage into a bm hunter meta

LOL

alt f4 angle

[novel star]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1303506492082753558/SLORPGLORPIN.gif

[gloomy heart]

this version of assa feels like df s4 pvp assa

garrote everything GG

[spice surge]

garrote everything and then it still does no damage

Its all just spatter

[novel star]

i enjoy the gameplay of spatter tho

but not the numbers

[gloomy heart]

yeah didnt play splatter in pvp

assa was so good in pvp last season it was disgusting

[novel star]

it’d be nice if you were forced to maintain spatter because it’s good and not because it’s unholy evil 25% damage good

[royal lantern]

i mean its just

bleeds do no dmg rn

except crimson tempest

cus CT is kinda overtuned

[kind gorge]

how high is the offhand weapon at the prio list ?

[royal lantern]

its all spatter and envenom lol

[royal lantern]

lowest

[novel star]

extremely low

[limber lion]

Wrists are better than offhand kek

[gloomy heart]

yeah seeing garrote be so low some keys

painful

[novel star]

it’s all keys dawg

garrote tickles

piss button

[royal lantern]

like, reminder that garrote does so little dmg

you dont even borther using it for multi dotting

[gloomy heart]

loving pve assa over mage pve

mage pvp made me come pve

[rain mortar]

can probably drop IW in big sieges yeah?

[balmy condor]

according to high end players you can probably drop IW in everything

or nothing

or any individual dungeon

or any combination of individual dungeons

go wild

there's no rules for anything anymore

[marble hemlock]

Fuck yeah no rules, I'll finish at 2+

[vale shore]

I have switched from Fatebound to Deathstalker!

[thorn fjord]

ITS OUTBACK STEAKHOUSE

NO RULES JUST RIGHT

https://tenor.com/view/kangaroo-australia-gif-5569301945329905539

[marble hemlock]

gonna drink red wine to fish

[vale shore]

are you going to pair red wine with a fish dish though?

[limber lion]

:O

[thorn fjord]

Live your best life

[marble hemlock]

if theres no rules? fuck yeah (not really, its awful)

[vale shore]

well you could use a white meat fish, like halibut

!fishwinepairings

... oh

we got rid of that one?

[fresh schooner]

hey, why do you recomend supercharger in m+ portition of your assa guide, instead of subterfuge since most big bois play subterfuge atm, just asking 😛

[marble hemlock]

nah, think youd only wanna drink red wine to somewhat oily and flavorful fish, else the wine drowns out the flavor of the fish

[vale shore]

just a big 'ol bowl of anchovies?

[marble hemlock]

ye

salmon or tuna work as well

[hallow pelican]

as a Chef i can unequivocally say you dont pair red wine with fish.... ever