assassination

[dawn heath]

no

[onyx rock]

Couse it would be world Rank 1

[dawn heath]

ye i had some aug buffs

it was 1.490*

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QpyBaAPDr2gXNHGm#fight=32&type=damage-done

probably would break 1.5 if i didnt lag

it made me press the wrong gcd a couple of times

[onyx rock]

Details says 1.66

[tired gull]

Yep, that looks way better

[dawn heath]

ever heard of aug buffs?

details =//= logs

[onyx rock]

Did not saw last message

Kk

[dawn heath]

ah ok

pretty good kill time for me

just got 3 sets of cds

[gusty mirage]

ngl you woulda cleared 1.5 pretty easily if it wasn't for that fuckery

you blasted

gamer

[dawn heath]

yeah im not sure whats going on tbh

i am not good at rogue thats the thing

last week i blue parsed this boss

[gusty mirage]

tf you mean

I pulled your logs

you can't hide your talent from me

[dawn heath]

ye

[gusty mirage]

you're a gamer

[dawn heath]

theall good logs are from today

[gusty mirage]

median at 77.3 is solid brother

don't shit on yourself

you're a good rogue

and I won't accept you shitting on yourself

[dawn heath]

i mean i just have a high standard for myself cause i am wy better at my main class

and

i feel garbage

on rogue

[gusty mirage]

that's just a class feature at this point

[dawn heath]

i actually dont know what happend

i pumped super hard in the raid today

something was up

improved ever y boss by like 200k dps

[gusty mirage]

ye sometimes you just game out

and some nights you'll get cucked by rng

[dawn heath]

tbh

[gusty mirage]

it is what it is

[dawn heath]

the other rogue

would ahve beat me on the next boss

if i didnt have pi

he gamed really hard

[gusty mirage]

[dawn heath]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GhVQWBjwygtHfdF1#fight=22&type=damage-done

[errant mauve]

you guys get PI and augbuffs?

[dawn heath]

i mean its just a pug

[onyx rock]

I wish

[dawn heath]

i just

queued up

and i got buffed

didnt ask for it

they just mouseover

see who has high rio or something

and give pi to that person

or checks someone logs

im not sure

[gusty mirage]

assa rogues are a good target for aug

[dawn heath]

it felt good to be externaled though

good for details atleast kek

second boss was a big gap

[strange python]

Whelp have a new envenom record crit. 624 ilvl no Aug.

[dawn heath]

9 milly big damjudge

[strange python]

On Sikran

[errant mauve]

how the fuck you drop a 9milly envenom god damn

[strange python]

Fuck if I know

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YvHRtmpNj2Z48JCx#fight=15

[dawn heath]

my max one was 6.6mil

[onyx rock]

Dosnt the double combo points in your UI annoys you Aljan ?

[dawn heath]

i don't care but i would have prefered if u could move regular combo points to the center

but its not possible

with blizzards ui

for some reason

[strange python]

Probably had transmitter and wep enchant going

[dawn heath]

afaik

[onyx rock]

You can remove them

[dawn heath]

how

[onyx rock]

I think its "better blizz frames"

It gives you alot of options for the Base frames

[dawn heath]

i would have just liked to move he combo points instead of having the CP wa

[onyx rock]

Yeah

Check the addon out

[dawn heath]

cause my CP WA is uhm

it doesnt show the blue combo points

from super charger

[coral ibex]

why not

[errant mauve]

hmm raid bots is saying skardyns graces isnt a valid season item level and wont let me sim it

nvm ignore

[coral ibex]

just make a trigger like this

[onyx rock]

@dawn heath i found it

BlizzHUDTweaks

This will do what you want

[dawn heath]

move CP?

let me try

[onyx rock]

Yes

Repositioning / Scaling of class resources and totem bar (For example combo points, arcane charges etc.)

[gloomy heart]

whats a good amount of crit

[coral ibex]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[gloomy heart]

Like % based, like 30%

?

[coral ibex]

read the post

[gloomy heart]

Yeah ik that i have around 50% mast

[coral ibex]

me too

[gloomy heart]

45% mast 21% crit

[coral ibex]

yea thats fine

if they were different it would also be fine

because your secondary stat values dont matter

[still stirrup]

Ok I see it now

[coral ibex]

reread the post if this doesn't make sense to you

[gloomy heart]

i also have a shit neck, i could have more

i need the one from mists

[dawn heath]

cant find it in the settings

[balmy condor]

Just sim man

None of this shit matters

Just get myth track everything

And you’ll be fine

[runic hinge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[balmy condor]

Real

[dawn heath]

getting good at the class is all that matters

[onyx rock]

Should be under player frame. (I didnt used this addon for 2 years)

[balmy condor]

I saw casual running ascendance is it better than Dawnthread????????!!?!?!!?!!!???!!!!!!?????! HELP MUST KNOW FOR MY +9

[runic hinge]

I might run that delve build you have on wowhead for my 9 cause it seems interesting

[balmy condor]

My favorite are the ones that are like “I’m doing +14’s but idk how they’re doing 16’s”

Like

What

[onyx rock]

Dont forget the big question about what race to pick

[dawn heath]

well people get caught up in the every other miniscule detail except improving their gameplay

which is the biggest factor

[slate crown]

If you want something very specific to mvoe CP https://wago.io/1o9w_iuw0 I made this thing which is a tad janky

but you can use it

[hardy crypt]

let me cope dude

its the secondary stats

it is, I promise

[onyx rock]

Oh thats cool

[dawn heath]

thanks i think i just figured out how to move them with the addon i will see if i get this to work

[hardy crypt]

once I get myth skardyns it's over

[balmy condor]

Yeah when I’m in 7 target and 2 of them are gonna die and it’s a chain pull into a pack of 4 and I have 3 ruptures in pandemic and 2 garrotes out and garrote has a 4 second cooldown and my kingsbane is up but my deathmark isn’t do I envenom or crimson tempest

[slate crown]

np the addon is probably more reliable that WA is just a silly little thing with a bit of lua, not super polished

may have edge cases, dunno I don't use it I just made it for someone that asked once

[onyx rock]

Musclebrah: "ITS OVER DUDE"

[runic hinge]

Rupture a dying one for energy for your cds that will flood you with energy duh

[errant mauve]

no no no you die and then run back and all CDs should be about up and you can engage from stealth again

duh

[dawn heath]

looks like it was sucessful

ty

[hardy crypt]

i love rupturing the silly little adds to get my energy back 😌😌

[slate crown]

[onyx rock]

Very nice !

[dawn heath]

the natty cp is here

[hardy crypt]

like on grim batol last boss

[slate crown]

I'm not responsible

if it breaks

[hardy crypt]

I love when the little guys arrive and I get to rupture one of those silly little guys

to get my energy back

they're like emotional support in a way

they hurt the tank but I'm not a tank

[dawn heath]

Oh i didnt realize this it has a different animation than the weakaura im used to when u get the combo points

might take some time to get used to

i will just hide them instead and use the weakaura

my brain couldnt handle the flashing combo points

is there like a one button apply all poisions macro? i could really free up some keybinds

[oak tangle]

does anyone know how to change which combo point is the one highlighted by elvui when you combo point supercharge

[dawn heath]

chat gpt my goat

worked perfectly KEKW

[solar wyvern]

Hey i saw Zerowhspyraddict running Int daggers?? This is my favorite rouge streamer and you guys arent saying to do this??

Why??

[balmy condor]

More intelligence for doing mechanics

[dull wagon]

ttk vs sd

[finite eagle]

Sim says to get an evenom before deathmark? any reason why?

[static glacier]

mainly for kingsbane env uptime but 2x poison apps during dm + having env up benefits from that + helps stack more amp poison for envs also help

[bitter badger]

kingsbane will do more dmg

[ebon bramble]

can anyone craft and use the engineering bracers?

[runic hinge]

Engi bracers are useable without engi yes

You can crafting order them

[ebon bramble]

can you still add a socket to it even though it has a "tinker socket" on it?

[mint urchin]

Hey is it normal for KB window's to have such a variance in M+? Like I am probably just messing up but it also seems strange to see a damage variance of like 50%.

[oak tangle]

@slate crown is there any way to track supercharger? i give up adjusting elvui, so wanna make a weakaura bar for combo points

but it doesn't show in auras

[coral ibex]

put this in your combo point weakaura

the overlay charged combo points

[oak tangle]

hmmm i imagine that will have the same problem i have with elvui

unless i can choose which cp is overlayed

[coral ibex]

this is what it looks like after a shiv for me

[oak tangle]

yeah

i wanna move the green ones into cp's 3 and more

[slate crown]

I don't think there's a released like direct trigger for it

But

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/API_GetUnitChargedPowerPoints

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/UNIT_POWER_POINT_CHARGE

^ this event fires when your charged points change (Gain or spend supercharger)

and you use the Api above to get your charged points

[oak tangle]

ahh yep yep. can use that a the trigger to apply a condition should work

[slate crown]

so you could just make your own custom aura

and place them wherever

yeh

It's what i'm using for my combo point aura

and for the envenom bar I need to reference it

[vast patio]

Are you shivving the last 8 seconds or right away

[mint urchin]

As much as possible at the 8sec mark

Excluding m+ stops/disconnects etc... I still see a huge variance sometimes

[slate crown]

Well yes

It's a chunk of damage that hits hard and can crit or not crit

[earnest remnant]

hacker mam

[slate crown]

and spatter on that crit

[earnest remnant]

imma have to report you

[warm ravine]

whats the m+ build on wowhead? is it the hybrid?

[mint urchin]

I'm talking just the KB dmg, I have a tracker for KB itself not overall

[slate crown]

If that's hacking then ooooh my shit I'm in trouble for the other weakauras I made that I don't publish

[earnest remnant]

[mint urchin]

Some kbs are like 6m and some windows are doing like 11m

[drifting cloud]

sounds like a patreon ad, mods!

[slate crown]

No no these aren't on a patreon, they're for me

they're my babies

I'm not giving these out to anyone

[drifting cloud]

super secret AH money making weakauras

[thorn crater]

any hint on what they do? lol

[slate crown]

It's nothing combat related

[drifting cloud]

when you start to give out a bruto on a daily basis we will know

[slate crown]

don't worry about it

[marble hemlock]

its "uwu nam nam done" Weakauras isnt it?

[earnest remnant]

yeah to get the locations of the people using tho

[slate crown]

...NO?? NO IT ISN'T THAT WHY WOULD YOU GUESS THAT HAH

[earnest remnant]

noble endavour

[slate crown]

[marble hemlock]

the all caps... caught.

[balmy condor]

UWU waid tweam…. We made a fuckie wuckie and wiped…. Maywbe let’s try agaiwn, but this tiwme, we dont die! :3 stay paw-sitive

[marble hemlock]

read that in whispyrs super uwu voice (TM)

[balmy condor]

Working on it

Training an AI voice model

[thorn crater]

btw whispyr hasnt had his mental broken in over a month now. what's up with that

[marble hemlock]

psure its still broken

hes just learned how to cope

[drifting cloud]

he just started court, give him time

[balmy condor]

Nanobots build it back up like a decrepit corpse being resurrected over and over by an aspiring necromancer

[weary spear]

does caustic pad on heroic rash?

[drifting cloud]

in theory sure, in reality not so much

[weary spear]

ib it is

[drifting cloud]

adds need to get dropped under boss and since its hc they die in a few globals

[novel star]

you after 3 more weeks of court

[oak tangle]

this one is just returning nil no matter

[slate crown]

When your blizzard Ui shows blue points?

[oak tangle]

the event runs but it outputs nil

when i shiv

  
  local isCharged = GetUnitChargedPowerPoints("player")
  
  print(ischarged)
  
  if ischarged then
    
    return true
  end
end```

[slate crown]

Can you just do a print on the function output while you have blue points to confirm?

Oh

Yeah

You have a case typo

[novel star]

[oak tangle]

ok fixed

ty

never was a proofreader

[slate crown]

Remember it returns an array with indices for the points, honestly now with supercharger the indices don’t matter

Just the size of the array will tell you how many are charged

[oak tangle]

yeah i've got it how i need, the case error was the problem

[slate crown]

Nice

[rotund oak]

are you rly doing that

[balmy condor]

no

[novel star]

all of my friends are playing poe

i want to play world of warcraft with them

what do i do.

Die ?

[spice spire]

yes

[dawn heath]

i've been struggling with movement and mouseover spreading bleeds in m+. how do u guys deal with this normally

do u use tab? mouseover? do u just send the main target?

[wet dagger]

I just send main target like 90% of the time

[dawn heath]

talking mostly about ID windows

that is a option but its sadly just not optimal

in all scenarios

its what i've been doing too but i want to take my damage to the next level

[wet dagger]

Are you doing 17s

[dawn heath]

progressing 16s rn

and i find it clunky sometimes to strafe and also hit my mouseover keybinds for mobs that are beeing pulled into the pack my rupture beeing R and garrote 1 i can find it challenging to strafe and get the correct nameplates figuring out what mobs does and doesnt have bleeds on them

especially in larger pulls when its 10+ targets

[novel star]

well

tab targeting sucks because it can just tab to a mob with bleeds on it

and clicking doesn’t change anything from mouseover

having to make sure ur in range of the mob is just part of it

have to adapt or simply not bother since it ain’t much damage anyway

[dawn heath]

yeah i find myself beeing unaware that i am out of range alot of the time maybe secquencing spells wrong htinking they went off etc

[novel star]

Ye

nothing you can do about it

afaik

other than just better awareness

which is cringe

[dawn heath]

something i was thinking about was to keybind my rupture and garrote to my scroll wheel as a secondary bind on them to free up the strafe buttons that could make it slightly easier

to move around

[novel star]

[dawn heath]

while bleeding

[novel star]

i mean

it doesn’t sound like ur having issues with inputting anything tho

ur just not mentally processing that you need to input movement in the first place

maybe it’d make it marginally easier

to think about

but i doubt it

idunno

[dawn heath]

you'd be suprised how nice it is to move around freely when your fingers arent locked down around your movement keys

it really requires mechanical finesse

to pull it off properly

and i am very bad with my mouse

[novel star]

i don’t disagree that it would be an easier input

i disagree that input difficulty is the reason you’re not in range of mobs

tho

[dawn heath]

yeah thats a seperate issue kind of

I was thinking maybe there is some sort of weakaura or addon

[novel star]

i have no idea yea

[dawn heath]

that shows when u hit a global and your of range it would just like show the icon in the center of the screen

show it as red

it gets really gimmicky with range when you are using mouseover

[novel star]

at this point i cba doing it for damage

mouseover iron wire bis

[dawn heath]

yes

so i encountered a problem

right now i have it bound to shift scroll up and down

i think i need to have it on only scroll up and down and not a shift modifier

and have my camera on the shift modifier instead

[novel star]

[north fulcrum]

do we want to apply garrote and maxed combo points on both tentacles for Siege?

[dawn heath]

only if u have sprint and step available or 2 steps and you're not in any immediate danger so u dont run off with low hp out of range of the healer

u want to be able to get back to the first tentacle quick by either sprint stepping or stepping twice back and forth

also may be problematic if there is alot of mele and u step to the tentacle so ud have to be aware of the timers of the debuff

[north fulcrum]

i see thank you

[novel star]

velf racial value

(i always just single target them xdd)

[blazing pumice]

you're really only doing it for the energy, the dmg is pretty piss

[oak tangle]

i just targetted the other tentacle cause we had 3 melee

[dawn heath]

thats fine but doesnt really work in a high key

if u play 4 melee in a high key there are spots to make all of u fit its abit awkard though

[oak tangle]

was an 11

[dawn heath]

there is link a plank u can stnad on on first and last platform

on the right side on first platform

so u can have basicly one behind the tentacle

[potent lintel]

Is there a correlation between Trinket rankings and Sim results? IMperfect Ascendary Serum does 11K more dps on sim better than any of the S tier trinkets

[oak tangle]

huh

what sim

what ilvl

what duration

[drifting cloud]

consdering the serum is just a worse version of like 3 other trinket im guessing its an ilvl issue

[potent lintel]

Ilvl 606

using raidbots

all my other trinkets are champion gear at 606

[oak tangle]

pathwerk 5 mins? dungeonslice

etc

[potent lintel]

Patchwerk 1 boss 5 minutes weekly

[oak tangle]

link the sim

[runic hinge]

Get better trinkets

Secondly

Sim latest unless you’re scared

Tbh I’d play two passive trinkets over serum

[potent lintel]

Sorry better than the A trinkets not S

[runic hinge]

Miss me with a cast time

[cunning arch]

was big sads today, got all Hyped about Sacbrood, Got it and it simmed worse then Skardyns and Empowering crystal SIGH

[drifting cloud]

are you simming double on use maybe

[runic hinge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1232770176571805697/puzzlebox.gif

[coral ibex]

crystal is really good

[potent lintel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3JP85idw2HHEAc59QQfggN

[coral ibex]

there's a lesson about not following tier lists

[cunning arch]

so is Skardyns, That Trinket makes sooo much difference!

[coral ibex]

oh yea skardyns is megabis

[oak tangle]

you dont have skardyns on this

or transmitter

[potent lintel]

A tier not S tier

[oak tangle]

?

you said better than S

[potent lintel]

And then I made a mistake down the post

[drifting cloud]

youre simming like 3 different trinkets and one of them is arsenal which is literally only god for vendor gold

[oak tangle]

A tier also takes into consideration, play stle

and how obnoxious they are

also all A tier is on equip, because you need skardyns / transmitter

[runic hinge]

Having an on use to use with our cds as a burst class is good

[oak tangle]

it boils down to, skardyn's + an on equip from A tier

[coral ibex]

the invention of tier lists and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

[runic hinge]

Yeah I’d put it in tier f of inventions

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/northernlion-scream-persona-gif-1954147571111799445

[drifting cloud]

[oak tangle]

tier lists are fine, they just need to come with the requirement of knowing how to understand them before you can see them

[runic hinge]

Yeah it’s like “these are good items to have” not “ you must have these items or else you’re shit”

Bis lists and all that too

[oak tangle]

like i used the bis list, purely for which dungeons to run early season

i never got the CoT boots, cause it aint worth grinding for them though

[raven summit]

anyone know wtf happened here?

[coral ibex]

you got a gift

[cobalt sphinx]

hackers you didn't kick his cast

[coral ibex]

[cobalt sphinx]

you're supposed to die

[raven summit]

we kicked at 0.4

we kicked him so damn hard he just leaves

[oak tangle]

did you log it

[raven summit]

yes

[balmy condor]

Warlock kick does that

Known bug

[coral ibex]

[raven summit]

ah

very cool

[oak tangle]

🚨 🚨 EXPLOIT🚨 🚨 EXPLOT🚨 🚨

weewaweewaw

👮‍♂️ 🛑

✋

[blazing pumice]

idk it happened with us without a warlock

we thought it might have been mind-numbing interaction

[raven summit]

it was tongues'd

maybe it has to do with making the cast longer than expected?

[balmy prism]

LMAO they fixed a bug where he'd despawn on kick and brick the dungeon

and I guess the fix was just to let the dungeon finish

[blazing pumice]

nah this happendd a week ago for us

[balmy prism]

yeah the fix happend like two weeks ago

[radiant yoke]

!bug

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[radiant yoke]

!buglist

That link is old

My multiple garrote seems to not be silencing

[west crown]

Garrote doesn’t silence everything

For example, bugs at the end of Mists that have the prio kick

[radiant yoke]

I know some things are not silence able but I feel like I was pretty reliably silencing 5 targets with 2 garrotes until this patch

Like every pull

[west crown]

You check if you untalented IW?

Or maybe untalent it and talent it again

[radiant yoke]

I would often ambush rupture x2 and then garrote twice and usually stop any first casts at like 4 seconds into each pull

I'm driving, iw is to rupture/garrote the extra targets?

If so, yea

I have it

[weary spear]

Iron wire is the silence talent

[west crown]

No iron wire does the silence. Indiscriminate carnage spreads multiple from stealth

[radiant yoke]

Oh maybe I switched without noticing. OK thx

[ionic flame]

I'm playing an Assassination Rogue, and when dealing single-target damage, I often find myself energy-starved, leaving me with idle time and making the gameplay feel boring. If I switch to a different talent setup, will this energy starvation issue still occur?

[blazing pumice]

m+

or raid

[distant hinge]

prob need more crit?

[ionic flame]

In both cases, I'm always energy-starved on single-target (boss) fights in M+ and consistently energy-starved in raids as well.

[blazing pumice]

you're doing something wrong if you are starved in raid

m+ you aren't running dashing scoundrel/blindside so it is normal st

[umbral sierra]

I have a friend wanting to try rogue, I know assa more than outlaw but I wanted your opinions on which spec would be easier to learn for pve

[ionic flame]

Are you saying that I shouldn’t be using skills on every global cooldown during raids?

[blazing pumice]

sub is pretty braindead

outlaw is very fast

[distant hinge]

nah you fuck up a dance you are screwed for a bit

[blazing pumice]

i think there's a lot less nuance to sub than sin/outlaw

sin is just mega slow

[earnest remnant]

[blazing pumice]

but if he's doing m+ then sin isn't slow on packs

idk

[umbral sierra]

I’ll prob have em do sin

Bc outlaw is high apm while watching coin flip procs and buffs to determine what u should do next

[ionic flame]

How should I play Assassination Rogue in raids to avoid running out of energy?

[umbral sierra]

Depends on what ur doing, I don’t end up having a button for every gcd in raids but it’s not bad if u have the recommended queen ansurek talents in st

M+ ur gonna be auto attacking often

[earnest remnant]

cant really avoid running out of energy, its sorta how the spec functions

its a resource and you play around it

[ionic flame]

Do Subtlety or Outlaw run out of energy too? How are they?

[umbral sierra]

In m+ it’s basically keeping up dots and using envenom mut mut mut and waiting to 2nd envenom until the first envenom buff is about to fall

[ionic flame]

Do you have any tips for managing resources as Assassination?

[umbral sierra]

Outlaw doesn’t have energy issues really

[earnest remnant]

outlaw if played right, i dont think so
Sub outside of cds yes

[shadow badger]

is fatebound aoe far behind?

[umbral sierra]

But their thing is high apm

[west crown]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[west crown]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[umbral sierra]

When I play outlaw it’s really a question of which comes first, my keys breaking from the amount I’m pressing them or carpel tunnel

[earnest remnant]

ive taken the smarter route

i just dont play outlaw

[shadow badger]

why is the top M+ sin rogue taking sanguine blades over MA?

[wide sleet]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[ionic flame]

thx bros!
It was really helpful, and I'll keep it in mind.

[wide sleet]

time to test this spreadsheet m+ build

[west crown]

Because top rogues usually play in a set group with comms and organized kicks and that set up is technically a dps increase at the cost of a lot of utility

[shadow badger]

i see

[west crown]

Unless you are doing top rogue keys, don’t play like top rogues

[shadow badger]

no harm in trying it

could just be better

[umbral sierra]

just take sanguine blades and master assa. #dropironwire

[shadow badger]

true mega

[nimble vector]

Do not drop iron wire

[bright tartan]

Prot pala in the group moment

[shadow badger]

but i wanna 😠

[shadow badger]

what utility are you dropping with MA?

thats a damage node.

[west crown]

Time to use IW after initial pull

[umbral sierra]

he gets it, who tf needs iron wire when the pally sends 5 shields in every direction that hop through more enemies than a college student on spring break

[nimble vector]

I think he’s referring to people in high key groups dropping iron wire for damage

[shadow badger]

no?

you still have subterfuge

[west crown]

Not running ma with subt is troll

When you drop ma you go forced induction

[blazing pumice]

they are only 1/2

sub

[shadow badger]

apparently not the best rogue in the world rn is

[west crown]

That’s literally his build

That he suggested in here earlier

[shadow badger]

this is his current build

[west crown]

Not what he recommended

[bright tartan]

I press buttons and do damage

[shadow badger]

yup thats why i said hes only dropping MA for sang nothing else is different lol

[west crown]

Orrrrrrr be ignorant if you want that route

[shadow badger]

Kushh drops iron wire

[royal lantern]

welcome to "assa is fotm and THEY appear"

[shadow badger]

i think its more ignorant to just dismiss something becuase its being played by a high level player

[drifting cloud]

not in every dungeon

[shadow badger]

ive been playing sin since DF s1 bruh im not no FOTM player

[shadow badger]

yeah ik lol im just meming

[royal lantern]

"X streamer you braindead follow literally said that you should not do that here in this chat"

"BUT THEY DO X???????"

[royal lantern]

nah, more in general

not you

[shadow badger]

i get the sentiment

[royal lantern]

cus we get that 30x an hour lol

[shadow badger]

lol ive seen this channel everytime sin has gotten a single change for the past year

[umbral sierra]

pikaboo activly telling people copy top players murlok io they are #1 for a reason and arnt a bunch of neckbeards in a discord

LOL

[royal lantern]

who the fuck cares about PvP you brainlet

joined in 2024 user moment

jesus christ

@shadow badger thats what i mean

[shadow badger]

[oak tangle]

are you going into your 11 ara kara's and duo'ing a miniboss?

[nimble vector]

Because he plays in a highly coordinated group that is not going to let 5 kicks go through in every pack

[shadow badger]

yeah obviously he also unironically plays with a prot pali so he does not need it lol

[nimble vector]

But if you are pugging I would never drop iron wire

[shadow badger]

yeah its very good for brainlet pugs

[umbral sierra]

the meme was x streamer saying discord bad

ig some people dont have humor

[shadow badger]

discord hates streamers and streamers hate the discord

whats new

[royal lantern]

MATE

do you know how hard it is to see the difference

like

sorry man

but that shit i said in a serious way here all the time

[shadow badger]

ive seen alot of people ask questions in here about pvp but people answer with pve answers and then they argue for 40 minutes before someone says "keys, Raid, PVP" and then they figure out they are both stupid.

[umbral sierra]

true

though knowing ur pve kit is important for pvp

[shadow badger]

whenever i want to learn my entire kit for any class i will pvp

so im forced to use all of it

[umbral sierra]

so its valid to ask about certain talent interactions in the pve channel bc they will know more about the min max of dps

[royal lantern]

i mean, you use your entire kit everywhere

except maybe cheapshot lol

[umbral sierra]

gouge as well lol

[royal lantern]

yeha but thats cus we got a replacement talent that fits more in PvE

[shadow badger]

what i mean is typically when you are learning a class you learn the rotation and apply that to pve but the rest of your kit is more importent for pvp so ill do both to learn both sides faster

[royal lantern]

thats like saying "in PvP you dont use your howl kit cus you dont use the AoE blind"

yeha sure, cus you dont skill it lol

[umbral sierra]

ik but theres alot of util difference in pvp than pve

pve u can just stack aoe stuns all uwant but in pvp ur gonna piss off ur rogue when u use a 2 second aoe stun and dr his 6 second kidney to only 1.5 seconds

[shadow badger]

theres a different skill set that pvp helps you master

[umbral sierra]

kicks

[shadow badger]

like cc training and tracking cds and abilities of your teammates and enemies.

[umbral sierra]

the amount of times i see people who are pve andys not kick is insane

[umbral sierra]

u do this in pve as well

[shadow badger]

yeah the kick different is funny lol

[royal lantern]

i mean

thats a bad thing in PvE aswell

dh/warriors that start packs with their aoe stuns

are legit stupid

[shadow badger]

of course but its the most importent thing in pvp compared to pve

[west crown]

Yeah stupid rogues starting their pulls with aoe silence before anything is even cast

[shadow badger]

just dont take iron wire

problem solved

[umbral sierra]

a blanket silence is always good vs caster npcs

if they cant cast they have to stack o nthe tank

vs some caster npcs that wil cast frost bolt u kick it then they dont move they stand there and charge up a fireball. shit pisses me off

[west crown]

Unironically this is like the best use of IW

[umbral sierra]

just take a prot pal

[west crown]

Meta this meta that. Give me an aug and call it a day

[umbral sierra]

until they pick up orbs on the blue boss in stonevault. then i wanna ring their lizard neck

[shadow badger]

What i really hate from any of the class discords are the people that live and die by the recommended builds, and never test ANYTHING else anywhere. Of course sims are king but talents or playstyle could change for any situation so a recommended build wont always be the best. but people cant fathom that and get mad when you suggest a difference or want to talk one lol.

im the only rogue in my guild so i come here to just talk rogue

annoying when people shut it down hard

[umbral sierra]

in arenas i usually change 2-3 talents based on what is on the other side of the gates

[shadow badger]

its almost always the fotm players

[west crown]

There’s like 2 builds I would recommend for m+ right now. Forced induction with sanguine, and master assassin with without a trace. Take TTK or SD depending on your comp’s damage profile

[shadow badger]

yeah its an importent skill in game to know your talents for the situations in PVE and PVP but people are so close minded

[umbral sierra]

if i look at the tmog sets for a season and then just play the classes to get the ones i want is that just fotm or major fomo

[shadow badger]

thats fomo bro

i do that too

fotm is when you play a class becuase its the best and thats it

[umbral sierra]

bring back s3 dh tank

[shadow badger]

no please

free me from that cancer

[west crown]

Well I chose to play this class when it was bad and now it’s good. Reverse fotm

[shadow badger]

lol

ive done that twice now

[umbral sierra]

i made so much gold being paid to tank keys bc everyone only wanted dh tanks xD

[shadow badger]

i played ret for 6 years then it became good in df and i swapped to rogue and it became good

[shadow badger]

i got title in s3 and s4 tanking for my group and was forced to play that shit

i hate dh

[umbral sierra]

u do this and then u talk about that spec and just get hit with "oh shut up ur a fotm class ur opinion doersnt matter"

[oak tangle]

i mean i have left this discord a few times, but im a rogue main since 2018, I would say that people arent close minded, it's just fotm dont care to know the intricacies of all the specs, and tbh dont need to

[umbral sierra]

oof sorry u were forced, i just like dh tanks. its my favorite spec to tank on tbh

[shadow badger]

i want brewmaster to be a good m+ class again

favorite tank by far

[west crown]

Tell the devs

I’ll back you

[umbral sierra]

just like how dh is a hard leech tank and i can just crank damage with the dps and call it a day. i remember in amirdrassil constantly ripping aggro off the other tank bc he couldnt keep up with my threat gen

plz dont. i hate monk tanks

[shadow badger]

rogue discord is not a heavy offender of this. the classes that are classic fotm ones are like this though

[shadow badger]

bet im going to blizz hq tomorrow to tell them

[umbral sierra]

they feel so squishy and i still cant find their utility

[oak tangle]

oh i didnt leave for those reasons, i left cause i wasnt palying the game

[shadow badger]

when you learn a brew kit they feel like the tank you have the most control over their hp bars and i love that

[umbral sierra]

im in 100+ discords mostly for the emotes

[west crown]

But what memz said was the reason for my slight hostility earlier. Never see you in here, therefore fotm, therefore you get fotm answers

[rotund oak]

thats disturbing

[shadow badger]

D:

im not sap, tyran, or whispyr but i hover and answer questions for people when i can 🙂

[umbral sierra]

okay but i can do this

[shadow badger]

thats disturbing

[west crown]

I’m new to wow so it’s just this season I haven’t seen you. Don’t feel bad

[shadow badger]

now you have

also welcome to wow

[umbral sierra]

im mostly in the pvp channel personaly

2400+ on assa rogue and am in here askign how tf do i do the m+ rotation xD

[shadow badger]

i only pvp until 1800 for the sets so i almost never need to get pvp questions answered lol

does the pvp build still play with like base combo points?

[umbral sierra]

prob my most repeated thing in that channel is
Cheap>gar>bush>rup>cheap>gar>envenom>death mark>shiv>kb

[west crown]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/226359213427916800 BEGONE

[umbral sierra]

was 7 at the start of season but now just 6

[shadow badger]

[shadow badger]

ewww

big combo point enjoyer

give me 10 combo points

[umbral sierra]

mostly bc they made supercharger good

[shadow badger]

that makes sense

[umbral sierra]

shiv kb making ur next 2 venoms hit for basically 8 cp and to top it with deathstalkers mark big envenom

[shadow badger]

ill have to start the pvp grind soon

i like supercharger so ill have fun playing it

[umbral sierra]

u dont take the last node though well u can but have to drop tea

[next wing]

hi question

inbetween packs if u have darkest night proc do u still reapply ur mark or apply it with ur proc?

[hollow river]

and dude plays the most troll shit half the time he asks chat to give him advice

[next wing]

but its more dps to gar instead right? Or what

[manic quartz]

with DN up i start with garrote, but sometimes i do ambush by habit

[shadow badger]

not specifically sure what is more damage but my feelycraft is that you open with the ambush still becuase subterfuge gives you plenty of time to get your ruptures and garrotes off and you get the darkest night damage twice then.

[umbral sierra]

sometimes i bush if my darkest night will fall before i can use the proc

[umbral sierra]

ik i was memeing with his reference

[hollow river]

yeah the duality is just hilarious

[next wing]

Yeah i mean you can ofc just wondering if its worth to garr if u miss out on the bonus dmg from having ur mark up or not

[noble fractal]

Hey guys this might be a stupid question.

Anyone think racial makes a big diff on rogue?

[royal lantern]

we are used to stupid questions, just go for it

no they dont

[noble fractal]

Orc = night elf ?

[manic quartz]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/rogue/assassination/races/castingpatchwerk they are literally so close to each other, doesnt matter

[noble fractal]

ooof nice!

[shadow badger]

probably situational. you want mark up kinda fast though becuase DS does good aoe funnel.

[royal lantern]

and the people that play for racials dont pick based on the "dmg difference" anyway

[manic quartz]

i'm female troll for the feet

[royal lantern]

cus thats a joke

[shadow badger]

wouldnt go more than 3 gcds into a pack without applying it

[umbral sierra]

ik right

[shadow badger]

im a dragon becuase i can stay a human like i was before but i get to fly and use their cool dragon form flying racial

[noble fractal]

aslong as the tank stops in between pull orc might be ok right?

[late surge]

orc is fine

any race is fine

[manic quartz]

huh?

[shadow badger]

?

orc good just slam racial on cd

[late surge]

macro racial with DM

ur good

[manic quartz]

why would what tank does affect orc?

[late surge]

hes talking about restealths im p sure

[noble fractal]

ye

[late surge]

considering nelf can meld

but then again meld is gimmicky

[shadow badger]

meld is so poop damage wise i think your over valueing it

[royal lantern]

thats not a thing

[manic quartz]

whats the command again for whispyrs rant about imp garrote 😄

[royal lantern]

like again

race doesnt matter

[royal lantern]

!restealth

wait

did they remove it

[late surge]

unless ur pushing literal r1 keys

[shadow badger]

its finnicky to get stealth off after meld

[late surge]

it doesnt matter

[royal lantern]

and then its dwarf lmao

[late surge]

nah

[shadow badger]

TRUE

[late surge]

dwarf good

nelf also good

[shadow badger]

depends if you can cheese mechanics with meld

[manic quartz]

Female troll = bis

[shadow badger]

really

[late surge]

but for us casuals

it doesnt matter

so stay orc

[next wing]

bis is nelf bc they have the best feet

my char wears no boots

[shadow badger]

what

[late surge]

Im a naked dwarf man

is that valid

[next wing]

that might come close

[shadow badger]

is with yall and feet bruh

[manic quartz]

more sneaky right?

[next wing]

close second

[shadow badger]

just be a earthern and eat rocks

we all know everyone here does it irl

[late surge]

isnt orc already the best for pure dps

[shadow badger]

yes

[late surge]

HELL YEAH

[umbral sierra]

wtb efvoker in human form

[late surge]

scalies

[shadow badger]

id love if they could stay human form but it would not make sense for their speels lol

fire breath and disintegrate would not work at all

[umbral sierra]

he right about nelf feet 2% movespeed+5% when stealthed and that 5% is affected with subterfuge

[shadow badger]

i would not have went dracthyr if i was forced to be a dragon ever

[umbral sierra]

idc i already can use 3/4 their kit without goign dragon when im healing

[umbral sierra]

unfort if u wanna play that class

[shadow badger]

yeah i used to play it quite a bit and i hate their models

happy i can be a rogue and just never change into one

but it does not matter what i want ill have to change into a gnome when i hit queen prog

[drifting burrow]

hey so i'm trying to cook up a custom rupture weakaura and i'm undecided on how to handle pandemic
i've searched this discord and found that most people don't actually do dynamic pandemic indicators based on # of CP for their rupture weakauras because it's far too much work to implement, and instead assume either 5 or 7 CP pandemic timings, usually 5

is it worth using the 5 CP pandemic threshold even for 7 CP ruptures? you lose out on like 3 seconds of duration

[shadow badger]

no becuase you lose out on 3 seconds of duration and waste gcds

but why do you need a pandemic WA

[umbral sierra]

just spam vanish lol

[drifting burrow]

i'm just used to having them from playing other classes

i implement pandemic indicators into all my dots

[shadow badger]

sin dots are way less obtrusive than other dot classes i dont think they are really needed

[umbral sierra]

i just use luxthos pack and call it a day

[shadow badger]

go off tho king

i use luxthos WA and whispyrs platers

[drifting burrow]

ive checked like 5 rogue wa packs

[shadow badger]

rupture lights up when its 7 seconds from falling off and im chillin

[drifting burrow]

and they all had the pandemic indicator at 5 cp

lmfao

the 7 CP timing is 10.5 seconds

[hollow river]

Not sure it’s even possible to do it any other way

[drifting burrow]

I found a BFA weakaura that supposedly did

[shadow badger]

i mean the damage diff between loseing 3 seconds is probably like less than a 0.01% change so

[drifting burrow]

but it gave me 2995 errors in 3 minutes of use

[shadow badger]

it probably does not matter and do it whatever way is easier fo you to make lol

[drifting burrow]

lmfao

yea the damage loss is probably super irrelevant

[shadow badger]

id rather learn how to use it with no WA than to figure out how to make one but if you can make one and it works for you then gl lmao

[drifting burrow]

i just like making wa

[shadow badger]

you probably got some crazy custom ui

[drifting burrow]

its not that impressive

just some basic timers

[shadow badger]

i just got 3 floating blizzard bars, luxthos slapped in the middle of my screen, im good to go prog mythic ansurek.

[drifting burrow]

hell yeah

i dont think its very necessary to have a ton of weakauras

to play well

it just happens to be one my favorite parts of the game, so i go hard on it

[shadow badger]

no i dont either obviously but if you got the skill to make them and like the look of them then do it

wish i knew how to do that stuff i would have better looking ui's

[drifting burrow]

nothing like hitting max level and spending 10 hours tweaking sliders and conditionals

[shadow badger]

yeah im already doing that at work i dont wanna come home and do it more lol

[drifting burrow]

lmao fair enough

i just install various packs and take ideas from them, and recustomize

enough iteration and i get something im pretty happy with

[shadow badger]

that cool but i think it would be cooler if you use all at once

[drifting burrow]

a dungeon popped earlier today and i had to

it was wild

[shadow badger]

can look at mechanics anywhere on your screen and still track your rotation

[sudden sigil]

is MA > Sanguine blades for keys?

[shadow badger]

depends on your key, your group, what you like.

[sudden sigil]

around 11-12's and just pougs

[shadow badger]

sang is technically a little more damage but MA is more forgiving

play what you want then, ive been swapping between them and see only slight differences.

[sudden sigil]

gonnna tryu MA then

havent playted that yet

only went SB

[umbral sierra]

i like sang for fort weeks and ma for tyran

[sudden sigil]

but that argument falls thrrough at +10 i guess

[shadow badger]

yeah so play whatever you wanna

[umbral sierra]

i would do ma in +10

[sudden sigil]

ill give MA a try now

see how it feels and then maybe back to SB

[shadow badger]

i usually play MA when i wanna play double vanish for the leniency and play sang when i drop double vanish for lethality

[umbral sierra]

but thats bc i find ma to be better on bosses than the sb build

[shadow badger]

and when i play with a prot pali i drop iron wire and take both 🙂

[sudden sigil]

HAHA

true

[hoary ginkgo]

Double vanish is good for sanity in pug key

[halcyon grove]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[sudden sigil]

what do you give up for double vanish?

[spring stream]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[ionic flame]

Do you have any tips for managing energy?
When cooldowns like Kingsbane and Deathmark aren’t available, do you only use Mutilate and Envenom just enough to maintain Envenom uptime?

[mortal badger]

lethality

[royal lantern]

yes

outside of cds you just maintain envenom

you will run dry, espacially in dungeon build

that is kinda the point

[ionic flame]

At how many seconds left on the Envenom buff should I use it again to maintain uptime without any loss?

[royal lantern]

~1sec

[spring stream]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[ionic flame]

Even when using Deathmark and Kingsbane, should I still use abilities just enough to maintain Envenom uptime to save energy?

Does anyone know?

[umbral sierra]

during kb im slaming as many mut+envenoms as i can to ramp kb stacks

[frigid niche]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fading sonnet]

I have crafted a 636 everforged stabber for my mainhand but my offhand is a 619 regicide, should I craft a 2nd 636 offhand wep? if so what should I craft?

[royal lantern]

offhand is the abolute lowest priority slot

craft only if you have 90 crest free and no mythic piece to upgrade with them

and then craft non-tier slots where its the highest ilvl upgrade

[daring glen]

how does this happen btw

[sudden sigil]

im scared now, they are playing dobule rogues in gingi stream we all know how blizz<ard gonna react to that

[subtle tundra]

thats a 15 key

they are pushing the key up

not a serious comp

and thats not even fucking gingi

he just put crims' stream

[sudden sigil]

aaaah lol

[warm vortex]

3 rogue comp is the best

Fuck that 5 rogues

[grim jay]

now I am

I was forced into a restaurant yesterday

wouldve declined more vigorously if I knew you were calling for me

[rotund oak]

10 rogues,5 replacements outside for the failiers

[warm vortex]

True

[royal lantern]

circle trought evasion ->vanish

[warm vortex]

Having to cycle people to evasion tank

Yea lol

[rotund oak]

[grim jay]

I love the evasion tanking brez moments

[simple stirrup]

In a m+ environment

Where do you pick sudden demise/MA/Twist the knife? What decisions do you take when?

[grim jay]

I just always play MA ttk

[novel star]

MA always (assuming subt)

so

thats not really related

SD/TTK is aoe dam vs prio/boss dam

[wispy epoch]

I don’t fuck with MA. Still 1.9mil or above overall on non augment evoker keys.

[novel star]

one day people will stop looking at details overall damage in m+ and thinking it matters at all

today is not that day

[grim jay]

how else should ppl take pp length measurements

[novel star]

well

comparing cock size to the other dps in the same key

is pretty based

[rotund oak]

i do take pride kicking a 631 ele sham on my rat rogue though by the end of a mists

boosts my ego

[novel star]

but deciding the strength of builds and shit based on it is disgusting

[lavish geyser]

for SV do we wanna go ttk?

[grim jay]

why are you always so vulgar and go for cock immediately

[novel star]

love cock

simple

[wispy epoch]

Insane that people will be like “measuring your overall performance dps is a negative trait” to a dps

[grim jay]

sounds like my ex in her post breakup-phase

[simple stirrup]

Oh so you dont play iron wire?

Isnt that giga goated to have? (Currently playing 13s keys)

[wispy epoch]

Yes, and sometimes you play it instead of MA

[novel star]

Yes, it is.

[rotund oak]

she wants to remain alone for a while and think,u dont understand

[novel star]

because m+ dps is unbelievably complex

and you are not in control of most of it

stop fucking looking at m+ overalls to judge builds

sim builds

please

[grim jay]

ig, she did let things run through her head from what I've been told

[novel star]

m+ sims suck but real m+ performance in one single key sucks even worse

[simple stirrup]

So you would Play SBS, TTK, IronWire/MA and Never sudden Denise?

[wispy epoch]

Your io score better be above 2.8k with those kinda comments

[royal lantern]

dmg overall doesnt matter unless the enh shaman did 1,3m overall and i did 1,8m, then its important

[novel star]

you provide literally no context other than i did a dungeon and the number was 1.9mil

[royal lantern]

[novel star]

what does that mean?

what dungeon, what route, what comp, what affix

[rotund oak]

welcome to the club fam 🫂

[novel star]

how good was the tank? how much downtime was there?

[wispy epoch]

I love sudden demise too much to drop it

[royal lantern]

dungeon overall is well known to be a kinda wonky meassurment lol

cus like

high overall<------->high effective dps

[novel star]

you can literally double your dps with the same level of execution by just all of these things completely outside of your control being more optimized

[royal lantern]

you can get high overall by throwing out all cds on pull with no important targets to "pad" on small enemys, and then have low dmg on the dangerous targets

ofc its not "overall high = you only pad dmg lol"

but its like raid parses, it doesnt really say much in the end beyond "Number was big with no context given"

[rotund oak]

i feel like we are talking for DS retri pallies

ethical spec

jk

[wispy epoch]

All this copium… and for what. If you’re clearing high keys, idk what you wanna call high, there’s an assumption you’re doing all this stuff too

[nimble vector]

I think there’s a distinction to be made between playing the spec correctly and playing the dungeon correctly in m+

[simple stirrup]

On what key Level?

[royal lantern]

high keys become about survival mostly btw

lol

Aug is not a hard requirment because of dmg, having a Aug is less group dmg

its all about actually surviving stuff

[wispy epoch]

12 and beyond, idk

[rare isle]

Basically comes down to this, do you perform well enough to clear the dungeons you want to clear in the time you want to clear them. If yes = good. If no = make changes

[royal lantern]

^

[simple stirrup]

Yeah because I mean its not like the world spins around These 4 talents

But I would like to stop being confused what to pick and Commit to that lol

High Rogue Players Seem to randomly Play Sudden Demise, TDK, MA and SBS

[wispy epoch]

Not too random

The negotiable stuff is green/bluish

Everything else shouldn’t be negotiable unless you’re trolling your keystone group

Or doing baby keys

[simple stirrup]

What metrics does wowhead use There? i always looked up murlok io

[wispy epoch]

Top ranking rogues. What’s murlok use?

[simple stirrup]

The top 50 Rio Rogues

[wispy epoch]

[royal lantern]

i swear, we get a new "randomword.io" website every week that people follow with no context

[candid anvil]

Does MA snapshot on garrotes or why do people like it so much? I remember it being kinda meh in dragonflight

[wispy epoch]

Mine is archon

[wispy epoch]

No just uses all of subterfuge

So they do 12 sec subter

[simple stirrup]

i use that since shadowlands, but ye I get it xd

[wispy epoch]

18 seconds of MA

[novel star]

?

[novel star]

its 12 seconds of ma

6+3+3

[daring glen]

can someone explain how this works

i died to magic damage through cloak

[royal lantern]

ye its just funny that every couple days somebody says "But X website says...." and im confused which website it is now and why there are so many of them

[grim jay]

well you took damage

and the damage was greater than your remaining hp

[gusty mirage]

Sometimes they like making cloak not work for certain mechanics

[frosty bridge]

Should have super cloaked

[gusty mirage]

It’s very cute

[daring glen]

ye but cloak

is magic immunity

and i died to magic damage

[wispy epoch]

Did you use cloak right while it flew at you?

[frosty bridge]

Ye, it's just cringe and doesn't work always

Like first boss necrotic wake

[daring glen]

yes

[grim jay]

ye but its sometimes only really immunity in the first second of it

[royal lantern]

:3

[grim jay]

oh nvm

how about you tell us what exactly killed you

[frosty bridge]

You gotta cloak right before the damage sometimes sadly

[daring glen]

do i need to use it before the casts goes of or something

[wispy epoch]

If you use it while it’s airborne it’ll still do damage

Just like spell reflect

[gusty mirage]

:3

[wispy epoch]

Gotta use it before cast goes out

[grim jay]

@spice spire look at

[grim jay]

@spice spire those fuckers

[gusty mirage]

Snitches get stitches big dog

[daring glen]

unlucky i didnt know it works that way

[novel star]

Please DO NOT announce to the server when You are going to :3 in ⁠:3 .This has been a reoccurring issue, and I'm not sure why some people have such under developed social skills that they think that a server full of mostly male strangers would need to know that. No one is going to be impressed and give you a high five (especially considering what emotes you've been using). I don't want to add this to the rules, since it would be embarrassing for new users to see that we have a problem with this, but it is going to be enforced as a rule from now on.

[gusty mirage]

:3

[grim jay]

I'd love to get sitches from you guys

[gusty mirage]

[wispy epoch]

=\

[grim jay]

I was about to say something bad

I'm sorry

[umbral sierra]

fuck did i miss

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/haii-hai-cat-cat-face-colon-three-gif-7065253899130675783

[novel star]

x3

[grand cedar]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[umbral sierra]

@novel star is this what u wanted?

[spice spire]

Please DO NOT announce to the server when You are going to :3 in ⁠:3 .This has been a reoccurring issue, and I'm not sure why some people have such under developed social skills that they think that a server full of mostly male strangers would need to know that. No one is going to be impressed and give you a high five (especially considering what emotes you've been using). I don't want to add this to the rules, since it would be embarrassing for new users to see that we have a problem with this, but it is going to be enforced as a rule from now on.

[next wing]

I’m about to :3 in :3

[lavish geyser]

could I send in a a log for some advice? I am still new to assa, and sometimes I do great and sometimes I dont. Had some stupid deaths in this run. Would love some advice if possible 🙂 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/X9cNWpA3HPJv1aqd#fight=5&type=summary&view=timeline

[subtle tundra]

guess what
it doesnt matter they are all close enough to be unnoticeable

[umbral sierra]

my girl likes a warning why shouldnt i extend the curtosy to the server?

[simple stirrup]

Thats what I was thinking, too

But I thought About: should I Play sudden Demise in SV so I have more damage on skarmorak shards? Or stuff like that

[candid anvil]

Is there any reason to have mutilate on stealth action bar or ambush does everything we need?

[umbral sierra]

just put ambush where ur mut it

[grim jay]

thats a really wild thought ngl

[wispy epoch]

Use a flask, enchant your shit

[lavish geyser]

I dont have any gold

[wispy epoch]

Go work irl and buy a token

[lavish geyser]

XD

[umbral sierra]

do like 5 world quests dawg

[lavish geyser]

ok, what about like rotaion wise n stuff 🙂

[umbral sierra]

give naked lap dances in goldshire

[wispy epoch]

Hard to tell. Shit looks fine, maybe some bad garrote snapshots from improved

Deaths don’t look all that preventable or too sudden

[lavish geyser]

what about the st rotatation? I have never looked it up, just thought that would be kinda the logical way of doing it

[candid anvil]

Ait thanks, one last question, what is the argument for playing serrated bone spike? Did they buff it's damage since dragonflight or just that and talent above adding +4% dot damage and speeding up ramp time by one global is good now?

[wispy epoch]

What do you think ST rotation is?

[lavish geyser]

i would just think it would be keeping up bleeds, then getting envenom and sending cds, wait for kb 8 sec and pop shiv. idk not much more.

[wispy epoch]

Mutilate can generate more CP and you’re only putting ambush on main target to trigger your hero talent darkest night

That’s why

[lavish geyser]

I just dont see myself doing that much st damage so im asuming im messing something up

[wispy epoch]

Your m+ build should usually be like 800-1mil dps on ST

[royal lantern]

^