assassination

[dry dagger]

Just press buttons

[limber lion]

Just put the same buttons on both bars

[raven egret]

I mean if its that obvious it should also be obvious what you use in M+, check the guides

[limber lion]

Same abilities

[scarlet wyvern]

i dont wanna follow blindly guides i like to talk and discuss about builds in the community 🙂

[cinder quartz]

be out of stealth, place your buttons
enter stealth, place your buttons

[limber lion]

If Envenom is in E normally, put it on E while in stealth too

[scarlet wyvern]

wanna listen to how people play and why

thats what we're here for

[cinder quartz]

i play how the guide tells me

[coral ibex]

well you asked for instructions on when to change your talents

[dry dagger]

I play what the guides tell me to play

[raven egret]

Guide is made by the guys IN this community, we aint refering to it just for funsies XD

[coral ibex]

and there is no instructions

if you want to run SD run SD

if you dont, don't

[rotund oak]

Ill start and end with Uninstall the stupid addon at once.Hekili is bad,i dont wanna be rude im sorry 🙂

[scarlet wyvern]

guide is made by Whispyr afaik maybe there are people who play different builds

🙂

[cinder quartz]

whispyr loves when you tag him too

[brave comet]

thats strange, cause ive seen a few people here say that assassination pools energy

[coral ibex]

yea there's like 14 builds people play at all levels of keys

play what you want

[dry dagger]

I don't think we do

[cinder quartz]

i refer to pin

[coral ibex]

there's no definitive you should play x talents at y key level

[scarlet wyvern]

okay

[quasi stump]

play ffxiv at key level 19

[coral ibex]

i cast instant despair on you

[raven egret]

Point is, if you didn't have sudden demise to begin with you were playing the cleave build, so like, again, guides would answer the question XD

[quasi stump]

[humble socket]

How come the wowhead guides say to take Forced Induction but all the top logs are dropping it to take Lethality?

[cobalt sphinx]

I assume that it's so close you could go with either

[coral ibex]

probably because it sims better for them in some capacity

[balmy condor]

Lethality was slightly better for most

Then it got fixed

Now it’s slightly worse for most

[humble socket]

So these are just older logs?

[balmy condor]

Or they just don’t bother changing

Or they just don’t care

Or they just don’t know

Or it’s still slightly better

[raven egret]

point is its not the end of the world wether you use either or

[woven shore]

Well then im doing something wrong already Lol

Vanish during kb dm

But only if imp gar right

And on ovi i dont have ma so no need to vanish

Right?

Also Whisp how is your princess prog
Did you managed to kill it?

[lethal arrow]

they did kill princess

[coral ibex]

correct you hold vanish for canceling roots

[woven shore]

Wait what

[lethal arrow]

yeah

[woven shore]

Wym canceling roots

The aoe thing

[lethal arrow]

if u get the web circle

or someone roots you

[woven shore]

????

That

Cancels it

?????

[lethal arrow]

yeah

read vanish

[woven shore]

😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

Thanks alot wtf

But

Does it still cc people around me?

Or it cancels the cast on me

[lethal arrow]

it will cc the ppl near you

[woven shore]

Ah

[lethal arrow]

do not vanish in the middle of your raid

[woven shore]

Yea ok

So now i probably know how the cc broke so fast 1 or 2 times yesterday

Thanks for info

[lethal arrow]

and its unlikely ur gunna be running improved garrote/MA on that fight

[woven shore]

Yea

[lethal arrow]

so you wont need vanish for anything else

[woven shore]

I use Whisp ovi build

[hard musk]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
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Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[old halo]

Got the kill Bois! 4/8M

[cobalt sphinx]

hell yeah

didn't even have to fight for it

[old halo]

1 parse for ilvl

acid pools got me on the third run

[vast patio]

Should I be farming empowering crystal instead of spyglass >_>

[lethal arrow]

wtf

lol

[old halo]

im pretty good at getting 0 parses, guild keeps me around for debuff and i provide both cauldrons

[coral ibex]

W congrats

dead boss is a dead boss

[old halo]

ill parse on the re kill next week XD

[faint vessel]

Always said scoreboards don’t have eyes, but in WoW they do…

[cobalt sphinx]

crystal spyglass sacbrood and knife are all super close in damage, you can just use whichever you get first

[lethal arrow]

0 parse would imply you didnt touch the boss at all no?

[coral ibex]

no

a 0 is just the lowest recorded kill log

[vast patio]

I hate dawnbreaker so I'm just gonna keep grinding glass out then :p

[cobalt sphinx]

0 parse just means you did less damage than 99+% of players who killed the boss

what are the vibes with no bonerspikes

are you guys liking that build

they like it in mdi

[coral ibex]

its pretty bad for damage but is convenient

so they'd never play it in a competitive setting

[brittle viper]

This any good for a 614 assass rogue on a +9 Mists or am I doing it wrong?

[cobalt sphinx]

looks pretty good

[subtle tundra]

uh

could be better

[woven shore]

In tirna?

[raven egret]

Did you win? Then GG. Honestly you are not closer to the tank than other DPS, but like its hard to tell we don't know how your key went, how the pulls were, etc.

looks ok otherwise

[subtle tundra]

he asked if he did it wrong, he did

[cobalt sphinx]

614 is very low so you'll be blasting wtih better gear

[subtle tundra]

he should show us logs/at least details breakdown

i dont want to tell him he is playing well when he could be playing like shit

[dawn heath]

pumper

[plucky oyster]

Has anyone ninja pulled with rupture like this:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kcDAFKbZv48C2nY3#fight=last&pull=15&type=summary&view=events&hostility=1&source=32

[lethal arrow]

1.20?, too low, MDI does 1.22

[plucky oyster]

a guildie sent me this log, can share a video as well if anyone wants more info

[brittle viper]

This is the details breakdown. Can post logs too if you want a deeper view:

Pulls were normal. Nothing out of the ordinary or mega pulls or anything. Just a stock-standard mists

[subtle tundra]

you should play sudden demise in these key levels

Garrote kinda high

weirdly enough

[brittle viper]

I am playing the stock hybrid build from WH. Should I adapt for SD?

[cobalt sphinx]

that is kinda crazy lol

boss just flew away and the lavabender took corrupt the blood damage?

[subtle tundra]

the stock build includes swapping around a bunch of shit

mr whispyr had to choose something

he couldnt put 5 builds

[cobalt sphinx]

your last rupture was 13 seconds before the lavabender was affected

[brittle viper]

Ok I will have a look at the options. But you reckon SD is a good choice node for +9 and up?

[subtle tundra]

sudden demise good

[cobalt sphinx]

that is actually bugged as fuck, the lavabender took singular focus damage too, it seems like it was considered to have deathstalkers mark despite never having the debuff on him

[terse heath]

Guys, newbie rogue here. Am I allowed to ask a really dumb question? 😛

[subtle tundra]

!poisons

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[subtle tundra]

did i guess?

[brittle viper]

Wait. I already have it talented.......

[terse heath]

No 😛 atleast not really. My target (in M+) is sometimes immume to Envenom.. And I cannot grasp why.

I have poison equiped ofc

[coral ibex]

wym immune

immune how

[terse heath]

But I use hekili (to learn the rotation, dont shoot me)

[subtle tundra]

whats the context

where are you

what dungeon

[terse heath]

but I cannot cast envenom (doesnt matter how many combo points I have)

[terse heath]

its in general, not a specific dungeon

[nimble vector]

Do you have daggers equipped

[terse heath]

yep haha

[subtle tundra]

2 of them?

[terse heath]

correct

eventually it will hit btw, but its so random

[nimble vector]

Does it happen on a dummy

[stray abyss]

out of range?

[nimble vector]

Go try and make a clip or something

[terse heath]

will do

I sound crazy i know

but I am not making this shit up xD

[long hinge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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LE's Group
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Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[subtle tundra]

also, im not sure how good hekili is in aoe scenarios, but if i had to guess its really bad

[coral ibex]

its really impossible to tell you what is happening without a log or video

[subtle tundra]

should? be ok for pure ST

but for anything more than 1 target

its probably griefing

[terse heath]

I initially thought I need to apply other abilities before using envenom, but it doesnt make sense

I'll see what I can do

and hekili might be bad in AoE indeed

[subtle tundra]

ok

not might

its bad guaranteed

but how bad idk

[cerulean maple]

on silken court is it worth keeping Rupt on both bosses rather than just the main target u have

[terse heath]

I need to stop using it anyway

feels braindead

[cerulean maple]

and is FoK the builder of choice bc 2 target with deathstalker?

or still mut/ambush

[cobalt sphinx]

are you getting parried

[cerulean maple]

no

[brittle viper]

@subtle tundra Willing to have a look at this and give me some pointers? I think I am fucking up badly somewhere

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Y2KjTkgNPX3GfcJ6#fight=last

[subtle tundra]

like on first pull you got mark on random shitter mob, you should get mark on tree

also you did 3cp CT

you used cds on the random shitter mob

[cerulean maple]

pls pls anyone we're about to pull knsjgjnks

[subtle tundra]

this huge gap? did you get the stun? you should've cloaked it

[spice spire]

Yes

[cobalt sphinx]

yes you do want rupture on both

[spice spire]

It’s worth

[fervent rune]

more rupture more energy more dmg

[cerulean maple]

that makes sense

was just making sure my logic was logicing

[cobalt sphinx]

are you getting parried? or are you out of energy? even if your target is immune to envenom, you should still be able to cast it

[brittle viper]

There was a slight snag on the first pull. We pulled the jumpers only first and everyone was sitting on cds so I had to do something to get them down. We then chained into tree which I was not prepared for

[subtle tundra]

i ninja pull

if that happens to me

[brittle viper]

Probably should have

[cobalt sphinx]

i would just sit in stealth

[brittle viper]

Maybe check further on and use a normal pull xD

The first one was scuffed

2nd onwards is chillin

[inland escarp]

Are you running master assassin and don’t have envenom on your stealth bar?

[subtle tundra]

you mean subterfuge

[inland escarp]

Yea sorry 😅

But my dumbass did it at first after swapping to using subterfuge, had something else with the same hotkey on stealth bar 🥲

[subtle tundra]

this cd sequence is messed up on the 2 guys before first boss

i dont fok on 2T

i hate it

[small sequoia]

really stupid suggestion, but do you have deadly poison or amplifying poisons up?

[subtle tundra]

also this whole cd sequence you didnt have mark up

you used envenom, got darkest night and then you went with a CT

took you 20 seconds to get mark again

[green timber]

Any suggestions on %uptime for dawnthread when simming for m+ to see damage for embellishment difference?

[static geyser]

ma not giving crit or just visual bug?

[spiral escarp]

Hey guys, today something strange happened in GB... Somehow I got in combat with one of the lavabenders before 3rd boss.
Here is the log:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kcDAFKbZv48C2nY3#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=5&view=events&start=1441002&end=1490750
Could someone please help me understand what interaction caused this corrupt the blood debuff to go on a target without rupture?

[glass lagoon]

What is the mean DPS for 600 ILVL

[spiral escarp]

This is the screenshot of the moment, when I get in combat with the mob. And the unitframe also shows it:

[limber lion]

That's very weird

Never heard of that before

But looking at the log, yeah it just randomly applies CtB on it

[spiral escarp]

isn't this only from ruputred targets though?

[limber lion]

It sure is. Did you use some mouseover macro or something to reapply the Rupture?

[subtle tundra]

you triple ruptured the start of the pull for no reason @brittle viper , your vanish usages seem sus , youre missing plenty of gcds in the kb,

[limber lion]

Maybe that messed it up and it applies Rupture on your main target but CtB on the add

[feral pewter]

Guys, help a noob out, will ya?

I have no idea what to do when tank DOESNT let me restealth at all. I just had a SV run that i had 3 or 4 restealths (not counting vanishes) for the whole dungeon. The tank literally chain pulled everything into everything into bosses, whenever it was possible to do so. What am I supposed to do there? Apply garrote and rupture on a bunch of targets manually? Seems that is not the ideal thing. Ignore bleeds apply only garrote and rupture in one target and use Caustic Spatter to do damage?

[limber lion]

Or if you normally use mouseover macros and had your cursor on the lavabender

[warped crag]

is master assasin bugged?

I am not receiving my crity]

[spiral escarp]

No, you can see I stay still in the corner and just wait for boss to land :lmao

[subtle tundra]

but mostly your foundations are ok, you need reps and to obeserve your gameplay, you make a lot of small mistakes that individually dont mean much but they add a lot

[cobalt sphinx]

it doesn't even put rupture on the lavabender, it only does CtB and singular focus, so something about the boss despawning with your mark confused the game about what was marked and ruptured

[limber lion]

Yeah because your Rupture ticks on the boss and then 0.001s later the CTB does damage - as it should

But not on the boss itself

But weird one, never seen that before

Probs just that particular mob messing stuff up

[spiral escarp]

yeah, happened to me for the first time as well... not that I ever was in a run, where these were skipped...

so I should know in future to not put rupture on it just before it dies...

[cobalt sphinx]

i'm guessing drahga ran away and despawned while marked

[spiral escarp]

yeah, she was marked as I attacked from stealth

and din't manage to get the darkest night

[cobalt sphinx]

i'd guess it's a mark issue more than a rupture issue, so you could try holding dn there

[rare jackal]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[spice spire]

Hey Mike, what do you mean by holding dn

[shy creek]

Technically you rupture everything manually, yes

[spice spire]

[shy creek]

Can ignore garrote save for ur caustic target and u blast as hard as you can

Honestly speaking, double vanish isnt reccomended but its just too useful to play with pugs + iron wire

[cobalt sphinx]

[spice spire]

[feral pewter]

Humm. yeah, Ive been thinking about that. Rupturing too many targets just feel way too many GCD's spent on it, instead of AOEing.

[shy creek]

In high key levels it won't matter too much

In low key levels, it might feel bad, in which case 5 mobs for scent of blood and start goin

[subtle tundra]

but double vanish is recommended...

[feral pewter]

Yeah, on this rogue I'm only doing 8s right now.

[shy creek]

Yeah things will probably die too fast, so maybe double vanish

[shy creek]

Swear it wasnt recommended until recently

[coral ibex]

this is true

[subtle tundra]

beofre the patch it was god awful

now its good

woah

[coral ibex]

getting WAT before the patch was 4 points for literally no damage

now 2/2 subterfuge does damage via master assassin and improved garrote

[shy creek]

Yea

I just haven't kept up to date with it, was playing double vanish last patch too

[small sequoia]

what do you guys do about the action bar for subterfuge duration, do you have mut and envenom on it?

[shy creek]

The dps loss wasn't worth dying to lack of interrupts in pugs sometimes

[coral ibex]

my stealth bar is identical to my normal hotbar

it has everything on there

[subtle tundra]

and now we have people playing double vanish and not iron wire in random pugs

cause mr strimmer does it

people are fucking dumbasses

[shy creek]

Yeah that part makes no sense to me, only if you're in coordinated group can u pull that shit

[subtle tundra]

yea people dont think

they copy the streamer cause he is high rio

[cinder bone]

first 12 done!

[small sequoia]

grats!!

[lavish geyser]

does it matter if I want crit or haste? like I can get alot of crit but low ammounts of mastery, if I catralyse it, I well get the opposite stats. does it matter at all?

[next dust]

King

[feral pewter]

How does Imp Garrote interact with Subterfurge? You'll benefit from Imp Garrote for 12 seconds after leaving stealth?

[shy creek]

Yes

[small sequoia]

yeah, insane huh

[shy creek]

You reapply the improved garrote at the end of the 12s as well

If its single target

[feral pewter]

Got it

[shy creek]

honestly even in aoe too sometimes if things are alive long enough

[coral ibex]

[feral pewter]

Alright, thank you all for the info. I'll take a look into what I can change to get WAT when pugging.

[shy creek]

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMzMzMzwMAAAAAAAzixsNDAAAAAAttNzMYmxYmZWmlxYwMzYGMzMbbLjZA2MLDMglglhJwwyA

Just take this string and use whats recommended

[small sequoia]

i usually spam out the garrote before end of 12 sec

because i want it to go on as many targets as possible before indescriminate carnage goes away

[brittle viper]

Thank you for the tips. I am following my rotation helper mostly. So didnt know what I was doing was wrong. Thanks for the insight. I will have to watch some in-depth guide to understand this better or do some reading. Do you have any suggested resources for this?

[coral ibex]

it also extends carnage too so the garrotes will cleave out

[small sequoia]

yeah, so with pandemic timer, im spamming out at about 9-10 second mark

[feral pewter]

That would be pretty useful on huge pulls like SV and NW, on higher keys, wouldnt it? I know that the benefit from energy caps at 5-6 targets, and you're only getting the dps from having more bleeds out, but seems pretty great on 9+ targets.

Are there builds that only reach Subterfurge without getting WAT?

[coral ibex]

yea you just get 1/2 leth

[small sequoia]

yeah, you're right, at lower keys under 8 things die too fast. I'm at 13 keys now and its very helpful to have this for massive pulls like SV, NW

[coral ibex]

which isn't a huge damage increase

not many other places to put the point that does damage

[small sequoia]

i like WT, becuase i can stack it with Master Assassin

[balmy condor]

it's bugged

reported but not fixed idk

it's known

[shy creek]

pugging 13's is sadge

feelsl ike every run dies in the first minute

[balmy condor]

has something to do with that area of grim batol

doesn't happen anywhere else

[small sequoia]

yeah, but i don't really commit to a full schedule key push, so i take what i can get. im at 5/8 on 13s now, trying to finish out

[dawn heath]

Do you guys try to chase sikran after he dashes around or do u just like shadowstep to him after he's done his 4th dash?

[shy creek]

Yeah its a pain, gets way easier to pug after you're 3-4/8, but hard to get in to begin with before that

[small sequoia]

i usually try to dump alot of my energy before he charges out and play it a little safe and let my energy pool back. Im probably just missing a few auto attacks. I'm just thinking dead dps = no dps.

[subtle tundra]

rotation helper..

[lavish geyser]

ST

just too greedy to run, while dude is dashing

[dawn heath]

teleporting after the 4th dash seems pretty good

[lavish geyser]

wont rly matter insanely hard if you get hit, but if 2 does its kinda ggs

[small sequoia]

yeah, play it safe.

[loud nest]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[dawn heath]

my envenom damage was so much higher than the other rogues

not sure why

i had 4 more casts but it did 30million more

[small sequoia]

u just a goat

[dawn heath]

kinda doesnt make much sense

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QpyBaAPDr2gXNHGm#fight=32&type=damage-done

i guess it doesnt count a tea cast if it auto procs

there is no way i only used 3 tea's

[coral ibex]

welcome to the wild world of crit variance 👍🏻

[dawn heath]

the cast difference is crazy though

93 mutilates to 77

26 to 20 ambush

i checked

i had only 2% more crit on envenom

[coral ibex]

larger crits tho

due to amp poison, trinket procs, etc

entirely possible

you high rolled big time

[merry perch]

Is there a place for log review? Or do we just post it in here? Trying to figure out where I can improve.

[subtle tundra]

well how do you know he played perfectly, maybe he forgot to 7cp envenom a bunch of times or something

and shit like that

[balmy condor]

his kingsbane also did more than yours

welcome to world of warcraft

[swift pendant]

Would anyone be able to judge a few of my
Logs and tell me where and when. I am messing up? I want to get better and been grinding out m+ going to log a few runs right now and just curious if anyone is willing to help me out. New to assa rogue

[willow rain]

626 crystal simming less than 619 shadow knife in Dslice. am i missing something? or is knife that good? thank you!

[blazing pumice]

knife is that good

[willow rain]

tyty

[runic hinge]

I don’t think many people here do dungeon log reviews

[solid jackal]

I see a lot of rogues using empowering crystal of anub in mythic plus on archon, but it’s not simming high for me. Is there something I’m missing? I’m just surprised at the amount of people using it.

[runic hinge]

Most people just use what they have available

[blazing pumice]

compared to what

they are running it because it sims the highest

[quaint knoll]

what do we think to this? Isn't this our bis ring?

[limber lion]

Our bis ring is Poisoned Pact

The other one is whatever your character prefers at the time

Can be literally any ring in existence

Depending on your char

[quaint knoll]

it's not simming highly for atm

this one

do I just take the chest then? EVen though chest is supposed to be our off tier piece?

[mighty bronze]

Hi fellas, looking for some log review as a new assa player. wondering what might be creating the discrepancy on envenom dps on mythic rashanan. that seems to be the main issue, but anything else y'all see on what i can improve upon? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/RAc2ZMGa7bxYyDvL/XWjpVMQBL47GcwDC#fight=6,42&source=2,Ethassa&type=damage-done

[trail locust]

I have only 1 Ring

[lethal arrow]

roving is pretty good

sim the vault but ring might be the best option

[limber lion]

10 finger but only 1 ring unlucky

[quaint knoll]

Thinking I might have to take the tier chest, even though chest is off piece

[quaint knoll]

the ring just isn't simming well

[lethal arrow]

whats ur current chest

and whats the current ring situation

[trail locust]

Wait if you put ring on every finger you can equip 10 Ringa

[lethal arrow]

mmmm

[quaint knoll]

crit, haste on the chest

[lethal arrow]

might be chest then

i like the idea of rings cuz i feel like 639 rings are ass to come by

ive seen 1 all xpac

[quaint knoll]

I have the bloodbound horror ring too on myth track

[lethal arrow]

that ones kinda poo

low mas, high vers

[quaint knoll]

yeah

but apparently that sims better, makes no sense haha

[lethal arrow]

actually probably take the chest

if u get poisoned pact itll replace the current roving youre using

[quaint knoll]

Oh i have mythic track legs that I can catalyst too

[lethal arrow]

yeah fuck it take the chest

[quaint knoll]

yeah i think so too

does it matter that it's suppose to be our off piece>

[bright cipher]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1gmluh3/me_too/ @balmy condor

[spring stream]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[lethal arrow]

nah

if u dont get like specifically the chest from grim batol at 639 itll hardly matter

[quaint knoll]

awesome

[quaint knoll]

it's only because the stats are shite

but the legs I have are crit mastery ones from ulgrax, so maybe I don't catalyst them

[lethal arrow]

those are good but if u catalyze them, itll favor the mastery more

[quaint knoll]

true - Those are also good wrists I just noticed

crit mast

[onyx nymph]

so in what situations are we running SD and not, i see all of the top rogues vary i would imagine key to key

[lethal arrow]

pants were like a 1.2% upgrade for me this week

was insane

[quaint knoll]

the ulgrax ones?

[lethal arrow]

yeah

[quaint knoll]

yeah they're nice

[lethal arrow]

they were in my vault too

but getting the drop let me take something else

[quaint knoll]

thats always nice

I also dont get how the chest dropped for me because I haven't killed ovi

[lethal arrow]

i think tier is exempt

from the boss rule

[brittle viper]

Learning the class and rotations this way. Seeing how it changes based on situation helps me understand the spells better. Surely not THAT big of an issue?

[lethal arrow]

well itd be better to learn by ingraining into your own muscle memory

[brittle viper]

Yeah probably. Do you perhaps have some content recommendations to get up to speed on this?

[lethal arrow]

personally i just look at a high parsing warcraft log and see their cast sequence

then go practice it on a dummy for however long

[sage stratus]

this has probably been asked and answered lots but I couldnt find it in the search. Does deathmark duplicate existing dots or do I need to reapply them during deathmark?

[lethal arrow]

you dont have to refresh unless its pandemic window during DM

ideally you just refreshed bleeds before DM to fit in more envenoms

[sage stratus]

so it does work on existing dots gotcha. Thanks!

[lethal arrow]

yeah, aside from the vanish garrote in the middle

[sage stratus]

yes yes that makes sense

appreciate the quick reply

[lavish geyser]

what time do you need to ++ dawn?

[gritty sequoia]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[primal quest]

corrupt the blood*

[lavish geyser]

is without a trace m+ build just by far the best m+ build?

[misty kernel]

ANLAAAAAAAAAAKI

[west crown]

It’s huge QoL and good rn because of MA and 12sec stealth benefits

[lavish geyser]

ok, im just doing 11s rn so packs die pretty quick. can I just go 1 vanish and then 1 in lethality?

my wa is messed up so I cant see my charges

[winter vapor]

I'd argue some folks state that its minimal additional vanishes per boss

per dungeon*

[lavish geyser]

you would argue some folks say it? do you then agree or? 😄

[west crown]

Should take WaT for 10s and up

[lavish geyser]

damn, ok.

[raven egret]

uhm do we know if the 11.0.7 ring will go to 639 and be a guarenteed equip at all times

[lavish geyser]

to extend my subterfuge when I break regular stealth?

[humble verge]

realised ive had to go double vanish now

[west crown]

It’s chain pull protection and there are big pulls at that key level

[humble verge]

because of chainpulls

sadge

[lavish geyser]

I just use meld for that

to get subterfuge

[winter vapor]

@lavish geyser yes i dont play WoT, but equally not doing big keys so

[humble verge]

u get subt from meld?

daheck

[west crown]

Meld does not give sub

[lavish geyser]

it does

[winter vapor]

it does if you stealth after

[lavish geyser]

no sry

[humble verge]

hmmmm

lmao

[lavish geyser]

meld + stealth XD

[humble verge]

guh

[lavish geyser]

one is not on gcd,

[west crown]

And it doesn’t always work mid combat

[lavish geyser]

so you can macro em

[west crown]

But it’s not a must. Just highly suggested

Plenty of variations

[balmy prism]

I feel like an abusive stepdad, I'm home, I'm drunk, I'm ready to ruin someones key

[lavish geyser]

okok, im not fighting it tbh. Im just not that good with the uses, since I just leared assa a couple of days ago

[west crown]

Some dungeons I’m using the extra vanish charge for iron wire

[lavish geyser]

so I would save 1 for deathmark and then use on when there are more then 6 targets?

[west crown]

Where do you get 6 targets from?

Targets don’t matter for vanish

[lavish geyser]

I was thinking for applying garrotes and ruptures

its not uncappe,d is it?

[west crown]

You would vanish to reapply for uptime. Not for targets

[lavish geyser]

huh, ok

[west crown]

Should be starting pulls with garr,garr, rup,rup

[lavish geyser]

I do that

no

I do ambus

and then garr garr rup rup

[west crown]

Well yeah

That’s a given mb

[lavish geyser]

all good,

[balmy prism]

wait

is it not garr rup gar rup?

instead of garr garr rup rup?

since bonespike

[lavish geyser]

depends, I think

[cobalt sphinx]

Depends how many cps you have

[lavish geyser]

on the cps

[balmy prism]

oh yeah ofcourse

[lavish geyser]

somtimes I throw rupture first

[cobalt sphinx]

First ruptures will suck if you only get 2 cps

[balmy prism]

well I mean obviously ambush garr rup garr rup sorry but yeah of course it depends

[west crown]

Yeah rupturing after 1 gar is bad

[cobalt sphinx]

Vanish for IC/IW when you feel like the time is right

Amarth, sear mind boys in throngus room, chain pulls

[lavish geyser]

imma need glossary translation, not used to em yet

[west crown]

Unless you are ambush,garr,rup,rup,garr

[cobalt sphinx]

Indiscriminate carnage and iron wire

Aoe dots and silences

[balmy prism]

yeah that's what I was thinkin bout

[lavish geyser]

packs just dont last that long. even in like 11s they die hella fast, i feel like

[balmy prism]

do higher keys 5head

[cobalt sphinx]

Depends on group comp and the nature of the pulls

[west crown]

Sounds like bad tank pulls or you are just playing with like 3k players every dungeon

[lavish geyser]

cant for now 😄

It takes me like 2 hrs to pug my own key cuz my ilvl is low

[cobalt sphinx]

Even good groups with high damage can be helped by a vanish

[jaunty kayak]

how big of a troll am i for running this in m+? xd

[balmy prism]

yea me neither I cba pugging higher keys and my friends got tired of the season

[cobalt sphinx]

Even avanoxx if you need emergency aoe

[balmy prism]

not at all

[west crown]

Pretty bad setup on the rogue tree

[cobalt sphinx]

I don’t mind it

Casualaddict has been supercharging

Which means i am too

[west crown]

Lethality is troll now. Take the last point in the supercharger tree

[cobalt sphinx]

Yeah i take that

Forced induction maybe?

[jaunty kayak]

hmm i see

[lavish geyser]

you can go this build? is it just as good as wat?

[jaunty kayak]

assa tree i did due to this pin from whisp xd

[balmy prism]

in reality it's a choice between some more AoE or more st

[west crown]

That build is fine. Twist the knife has better ST value then SD for higher keys

[jaunty kayak]

but ig thats quite out of date

or not?

[cobalt sphinx]

Yup doesn’t look too bad, i take twist the knife and sanguine blades over sudden demise and master asssassin but i think the output will be the same

[lavish geyser]

sd?

[balmy prism]

sanguine badge

[lavish geyser]

oh ok I see

[west crown]

Sudden demise

Isn’t as good for higher keys because you lack boss damage

[lavish geyser]

I do tbh

[jaunty kayak]

personally i do dislike sang blades quite a bit

[junior yoke]

!up

[balmy prism]

sang blades is troll in keys

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[lavish geyser]

but you swap out sudden demise for sanguine blades?

[cobalt sphinx]

Yeah it doesn’t have very good reviews but it’s not a bad talent

[balmy prism]

no, sudden demise for ttk

[jaunty kayak]

sudden and sang for ttk and MA

[balmy prism]

don't bother with sanguine blades

[jaunty kayak]

thats what i did

[west crown]

Sanguine blades is good

[jaunty kayak]

alright so basically im gucci but just remove lethality?

[lavish geyser]

ok sry, rn I am very new to assa so I just dont know the talent names, does assa channel have glossary?

[iron prism]

I wanna believe @balmy prism but he’s got such an untrustworthy face

[west crown]

There is like 4 different builds that have very similar dps but different damage profiles

[balmy prism]

dont trust me I've had far too much wine tonight

[cobalt sphinx]

I am not huge on MA (master assassin) without subterfuge

[balmy prism]

buuuuuut

[lavish geyser]

I personally like doing Big dmg on packs

[balmy prism]

sanguine blades feel badge

[lavish geyser]

big dam, is just fun

[west crown]

If you are running supercharger and forced induction, sanguine will have more value than MA

[balmy prism]

assa is in a fun state, you can play basically 5 builds and time anything up to like world first key swithout being a carry

[cobalt sphinx]

Yeah without subterfuge i imagine you are losing a lot of the value of master assassin

[balmy prism]

and subterfuge also feels badge

cause need more keybinds

[jaunty kayak]

[lavish geyser]

okok I see. Should I just copy casuals build? since he runs supercharger?

[runic hinge]

For what

[lavish geyser]

thanks after reading the talent it really makes alot fo sense

[west crown]

If casuals is running IW ( I think it is now) then yes

Iron wire

[balmy prism]

need an extra keybind for muti for spat, I normally just put both ambush/mut on 1

[runic hinge]

Ambush also procs spatter

[balmy prism]

hu

h

[runic hinge]

Enjoy blizzard tooltips

[lavish geyser]

this?

is this saucey?

[balmy prism]

oh sorry said a bad word

color me deficient

oh wait of course it does lmao

[lavish geyser]

thanks, pointing out that MA was rly good to know!

[runic hinge]

No worries. It got changed late in the rework and I don’t think they included it in the tooltip

[cobalt sphinx]

Yeah but apparently whispyr said you aren’t supposed to be ambushing during subterfuge

[lavish geyser]

are we?

[balmy prism]

I mean

[lavish geyser]

whispyr probaganda?

[west crown]

In this just swap between Sudden Demise for more aoe, and Twist the knife for boss damage depending on dungeon

[runic hinge]

It is worse but I mean you’re not gonna ruin your life by doing it

[balmy prism]

you have infinite energy anyways

so makes sense

[west crown]

Like I’d probably take TTK in City of Threads

[jaunty kayak]

fk it.. made the changes, cheers lads

[lavish geyser]

gotcha, good looks brotha

[balmy prism]

isn't TTK basically always better than SD? let's say in realistic keys where you're not optimizing for world firsts

[west crown]

SD has much higher value in sub 7-8

[sullen hearth]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[jaunty kayak]

yesterday i even realised i've been rekilling myth raid and progging ovinax with 2x lethality and 1 supercharger

[balmy prism]

lethality supremacy

dont listen to the sim andys

[west crown]

Your sim Andy, got you your rotation, your gear, and the rest of your talents

[balmy prism]

excuse you I make everything up as I go

[iron prism]

https://tenor.com/view/parks-and-rec-april-ludgate-sips-tea-tea-tea-time-gif-21816989

[balmy prism]

[gilded garden]

Quick question i do not play dps i mainly tank and heal so simming dps is not in my wheel house. So for my friend he is a assa rogue and he sims currently on 1min st patchwork for 555k and when he in in dornagol on a target dummy he only does 420k. is he pressing buttons wrong or if you are 80th percentile of said sim is that fine because sims are made up or what?

[balmy condor]

depends how he set up his sim

patchwerk is not a target dummy

there's a target dummy option for that

[balmy prism]

oh daddy is awake I take back my previous statements

[gilded garden]

gotcha did not know that because we were trying to figure out what was happening!

[balmy condor]

it's 3 in the afternoon I've been lurking for about 6 hours now

I just cba responding to dumb shit

[lavish geyser]

do we go 10% ektra poison dmg? or 5% ektra crit?

[balmy condor]

when is that a choice

[gilded garden]

just re sim and it's 553k lol?

[lavish geyser]

weapon poison*

[balmy condor]

link it

[gilded garden]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/w5wyMA3phy2XPJ7zh5bBC6

[lavish geyser]

just weapon poisons I meant 🙂

[balmy condor]

1 min

[west crown]

Rust on your dagger, -2k

[balmy condor]

but yeh looks like you were already simming target dummy then

oh

[gilded garden]

and should you be close to that number within reason of margin of erros?

errors

[balmy condor]

nvm, you don't have anything execute related aeither

[balmy condor]

probably with 10% is reasonable but 1 min is way too volatile

like you crit 1 kingsbane tick and your dps gonna swing like 15k

[gilded garden]

so 2 min 2:30? and your rotation should be closeish to the "sample ability log"

[jaunty kayak]

deadly precision always (5% crit on builders) .. weapon poison damage is currently dogwater

[balmy condor]

wouldn't go under 3 tbh, and the sample is legit just a sample, I would ignore it

[gilded garden]

as for mythic plus the best way to figure out if you are doing decent dmg is to rewatch yourself to see what's happening with your rotation?

[gusty saffron]

Does anyone have a macro for Tricks that allows you to mouseover a party frame and click to activate? Apologies if this is somewhere else, but I haven't found one that works yet

[jaunty kayak]

#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
/cast [@mouseover,help,nodead][] Tricks of the Trade

this perhaps ?

[gusty saffron]

Thanks! I'll try this out

[blazing pumice]

use the weakaura

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[balmy condor]

I guess yeah

m+ is super variable

kinda hard to be like "this is wrong"

[gusty saffron]

Thank you!

[balmy condor]

especially when there's like a billion builds atm

[gilded garden]

i figured because there are countless moving variables going on throughout the key and you can't compare yourself to a 638 rogue etc etc so hard to get a number to see if you are doing well. Thank you!! ❤️

[strange python]

This. You can compare general gameplay decisions. But you can’t compare 1 to 1 unless yall are on the exact same route and timings

[jaunty kayak]

is it a smart or dumb move to delay KB in DM by roughly 1 gcd when playing with 1 shiv (m+)? so the last tick of KB benefits from lingering darkness (+30% nature dmg after DM) as it does naturally in raids/when playing with 2 shivs

[vagrant brook]

okay liar
there's way more than a billion you rat

[zealous arrow]

Is swapping to master with this build fine?

Dropping Sanguine for it I'd assume

Idk if thats a straight up loss or not tho

I just feel like if im playing double sub I should utilize the crit from master

[west crown]

You can get a decent estimate on overall dps based on ilvl

And key level

[west crown]

If you do I’d drop lethality for WaT too

[vagrant brook]

it makes sense and it's a very viable build yes

[fringe wind]

hey all...what are we looking at as far as trinkets go? Other than Grace, OME is out-simming everything else for me...anyone else seeing that?

[zealous arrow]

Double vanish huh, that sounds kinda scary O.O

[novel star]

who the hell is ome

[west crown]

It’s currently recommended

[novel star]

oh ovinax egg

[zealous arrow]

Really? Do you just double vanish as a dps cd for improved garrote

[novel star]

uh it’s okay but it’s kinda cancer

[west crown]

Chain pulls, long pulls to get ruptur and iron wire

[novel star]

well you can hold the 2nd charge for a number of things

as long as you don’t overcap them it’s fine

[hoary scroll]

Hey, when playing with 2 points in supercharger and forced induction - does anythign change in st rota? or its still the same while playing with lethality?

[zealous arrow]

Interesting, and I'd drop my 1 lethal for wot?

[west crown]

No change

[fringe wind]

yeah Wowhead show it as tier B...and "can be mostly ignored"...yet it's out-simming Sac and DSG

[novel star]

tier list doesn’t matter

[fringe wind]

not sure if Raidbots is simming the trinkets properly or what

[novel star]

but yes it sims well because the sim plays around it iirc

[fringe wind]

right...tier list is just a recommendation

[west crown]

Tier lists and bis lists are created based on specific gear and specific scenarios that you aren’t exactly matching. Trust sim

[static geyser]

is ma visually bugged or not giving the buff at all

[novel star]

neither?

[west crown]

Havent run into anything

[novel star]

works fine for me

[thorn fjord]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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LE's Group
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[novel star]

yea idk i haven’t looked at the stats on the character sheet in weeks

maybe ma doesn’t show up there

who knows

it functions properly tho

[trail locust]

KEKW

[potent lance]

ara kara better or empowering?

i mean trinkets

[blazing pumice]

they are nearly the same

empowering is tiny bit better

for m+

[potent lance]

y on my sims too

was wonder

[dense talon]

coming back after 3 weeks, how does the new build change rotation in m+? do we use vanish 6-7 secs into deathmark? Previously, I used to keep vanish for occassions when tank chains pulls or for huge pack when ruptures falls off.
during the subterfuge buff on using vanish, do i use improved garrote for cp generator orvanish is used for getting the crit buff from master assasin.
mostly, can i just stick to the old build .

[novel star]

you have subterfuge and 2 vanishes so you press one at 12sec left on kb (not 6) and then press the next charge for whatever you desire

[dense talon]

do I remove the lethality for extra vanish charge?

[novel star]

can hold it for iron wire or hold it for a sketchy chain pull or just slam for damage as long as it’s not going all the way back up to overcapped charges ur fine

[novel star]

Yes but you can also not do this and still play 1/2leth then vanish logic is the same as it’s always been, on cd

either is fine

[dense talon]

so we use vanish as soon as we enter into KB since it last only 14 secs? if subterfuge is already running while KB is up, we use vanish as soon as the buff falls.
i guess the same logic applies for raids and m+ bosses?

[novel star]

in raid you don’t play subterfuge

so you vanish at 6s

but yes in m+ you vanish 2s after kb ideally

it’s fine to use vanish elsewhere tho it’s not super joever if it desyncs

just press buttons and figure it out

[lavish geyser]

I just did 12 NW, and went ttk, was that the right thing to do?

and another question, for Nw, is it worth learning Sub for nw?

[cobalt sphinx]

i think assassination is more than good enough but sub could be fine too

are you thinking about doing the swap before stitchflesh?

[lavish geyser]

yeds

[cobalt sphinx]

maybe if you expect to struggle with stitchflesh but it feels like he's been nerfed enough and assassination is not bad damage by any means

[lavish geyser]

I mean also got sent down twice in a row, so dont have great feel abt st on last boss

[north narwhal]

hello smart rogue people i see people! i see the top dogs on raider.io is not using the recommended embilshements in the wohead guide what is the reason for this? and also i have 636 weapon crafted with ascension crafted and a wrist crafted. i have enough for another craft what to do. keep weapon, and remove embilishment or just add 3 crafted ? sorry if this is impossible to understandhttps://raider.io/characters/eu/draenor/Karashok

[vast tangle]

Is crimson tempest worth keeping up on a single target, like a boss in M+?

[cobalt sphinx]

embellishments make very very very little difference, it would only make sense to swap it up if you don't mind the damage hit in raid or if you have everything else maxed and can afford a second set of items

[frosty bridge]

the ideal mplus embelishment is dawnthread but people have ascendance cuz they are also raiding, and also embelishments suck so you can run anything

long term those poeple will also have dawnhtrea

htfnt

dawnthread

[eager peak]

at non stealth pulls, do we try to apply garrote and rupture one by one in the targets? in case we dont have vanish to spread the dots, i think im losing a lot of dps in chain pulls or when i cant go stealth

[cobalt sphinx]

rupture yes but garrote is not very important

[north narwhal]

so i use build thats better in raid? and do i add a crafted belt ? or just upgrade the good pieces

[eager peak]

do u think its worth using the 2nd vanish talent?

[cobalt sphinx]

ascendance is MUCH better in raid, dawnthread is only slightly better in keys if at all

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah i think it's nice if you're into that kind of thing but not necessary, pretty good for keys that you think it'll help you out a lot when you need more blanket silences too

it is one of the fabled "meaningful decisions" available for you to make yourself

[eager peak]

gotcha, thanks for the help

ill do some tests in keys

[cobalt sphinx]

i like it in gb where there are a lot of casters, people start dying when the ogres and beguilers start casting

[vocal cradle]

when you select multiple gems and the blasphemite gem does raid bots automatically try the different combinations to check the crit effect difference?

[burnt juniper]

sub is lightyears better on the last 2 bosses

[elfin garden]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[late kestrel]

this may be a stupid question - but when im spreading bleeds/poisons on a new group, is my first priority to spread the ruptures? or garrote?

[elfin garden]

if you scroll up just a little you'll see the same question

[cobalt sphinx]

depends on combo points, one is a generator and one is a spender

pretty sure it's garrote <5

rup >=5

[west crown]

A lot of nuance to this depending on combo points and darknest night. But get 2 garrotes and 2 rupture and deathstalkers mark up in your first 5 global

5-6

[lavish geyser]

just had to kite add on gb 3rd boss for no joke 30 sec +

it was 1% for about 25 of those 30 sec

[thorn fjord]

If tricks is useless on sin then why are rogues timing 15-16s running tricks over blackjack?

Or did I miss something

[idle inlet]

if we are using transmitter do we just sync it to dm?

[cobalt sphinx]

You kinda have to hit it early so you can solve it for dm but you do use them together every time

It’s actually pretty good for the affix this week because of the shorter cooldown

[shy stream]

curious, how much dps are you guys pulling on bosses at 12+ keys? (i havent been in a group with another rogue and have no reference)

[limber coral]

With this then should we always DM and KB after our initial garrote/ruptures to try and get as much damage as possible since we only want to spread ruptures for SoB stacks?

[west crown]

It’s suggested on wowhead…?

[limber coral]

After applying CS and CT of course btw sorry

[thorn fjord]

Why tho

[west crown]

Dont waste DM on packs that won’t last 15 seconds. If the prio target has enough health and you have enough time before boss. You should always be using KB in packs

[thorn fjord]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[west crown]

Couldn’t tell you

[limber coral]

Generally what’s a good KB window consist of or look like?

[west crown]

Pre envenom, KB, Spam Envenom, Shiv last 8 seconds

Spam more envenom

[limber coral]

Much appreciated

What’s the shiv macro again?

[west crown]

If 2 shivs for raid you would shiv the global before KB

[blazing pumice]

I'm doing 15s and my tank has zero interest in blackjack

so i roll with the ponchos

[waxen oyster]

like 1mil to 1.1mil? Sin st isnt that great

too many factors

[shy stream]

gotcha, than kyou!

[amber brook]

Just tried using tempered pot

and I really see the dps increasew

[crude hinge]

Hey guys I know im making A LOT of mistakes, can someone review my logs. I am parsing grey 😭

I’m steakshank in this log

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WvQDT1mGnAfFgZ6b#fight=5&type=damage-done

[glad osprey]

Is this kind of the opener I should be doing, or am I doing something really wrong?

I keep seeing other assassination rogues less ilvl that can really spike during the opener and I don't idk what's up

(note this probably isnt perfect since its in queen and i sometimes can lag a bit)

[tacit otter]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[hallow pelican]

does anyone have any idea how much DPS value you get from the Queens ring roughly?

heroic version

[balmy condor]

raidbots knows

[hallow pelican]

I got my first 85+ parses in heroic last night. Mostly I was grey parsing early Xpac. Just like to thank ppl in the channel for the help and advice Ive gotten. You guys would be surprised how much MORE helpful this discord is than other class discords. Again ... thanks guys

[kindred imp]

did you find this out in the end?

[grizzled ember]

Didn't

[hallow pelican]

@balmy condor the answer to the ring is 24k DPS from the procs

[balmy condor]

seems reasonable

[vagrant brook]

there's a plater script that hides the parasites unless you target them or they fixate you
it can help if you have a lot of lag

[warm steppe]

okay this was more related to vanish and using the carnage thing to spread bleeds or envenom spam but

i figured it out

[cobalt sphinx]

noice noice noice

yeah it seemed like you had it under control

[warm steppe]

yeah this spec is smoke

just gotta

ambush - garrote 1 - rupture 1 - garrote 4 - garrote 7 - rupture 4 - garrote 10 - garrote 13 - rupture 7 - fan - tempest - fan - envenom - cds

then vanish and do it again

every pull

then the sim just randomly shiv-tea-vanish-garrote 4 times in a row

havnt figured out that riddle yet

[coral ibex]

bro what

[warm steppe]

10 targets

[runic hinge]

Garrote 12 times in a row just cause you can tbh

[balmy condor]

I mean

ain't rocket science

just shiv the end of kb

vanish for ma

refresh opener garrotes

pretty straight forward innit

[violet berry]

We not running sudden demise in high keys?

[balmy condor]

you can

some don't

some do

[violet berry]

Doesn’t matter that much?

[balmy condor]

there are

a billion builds

maybe 2 billion

[spice spire]

Maybe even 3 billion

[lethal turtle]

shuffle btween SD TTK IW

[balmy condor]

could be 4

perhaps 5

[spice spire]

5 seems a bit high

[lethal turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-strange-one-benedict-cumberbatch-injured-gif-15260934

[violet berry]

Iw?

[balmy condor]

I mean what was the number I came up with the other day?

like 400?

[violet berry]

What’s iw

[balmy condor]

iron wire

[lethal turtle]

iron wire

[violet berry]

Ah

[little burrow]

im actually really enjoying internal rupture.. guess i haven't hit the key level where caustic overtakes? im a nub though in like 6's

[balmy condor]

uh

I mean it should be overtaking in like

heroic

internal bleeding sucks pretty hard

[violet berry]

Not running caustic?

[lethal turtle]

should overtake it in questing

[violet berry]

Is that a thing

[little burrow]

feels like it to me for sure

[balmy condor]

it definitely isn't a thing

[little burrow]

everything is just dying so fast maybe its who im running with

[warm steppe]

yeah but does it not spend the combo points cause garrote is just higher value since ruptures are already out from opener

[little burrow]

so internal is for sure doing more

[balmy condor]

idk probably some edge case where it should be a env

[tired gull]

any other fatebounders sometimes skip the 7th flip straight to 8 and don't get the capstone?

[spiral rain]

If I am sitting at 617 ilvl, is simming around 950,000 normal or bad?

[tired gull]

i'm 618 simming about 1.2m

[spiral rain]

yikes

I feel like my st is lacking don't know what to do

can i linkmy sim and you help me figure what needs to change? I'm kinda noob with this

[quasi stump]

im doing smth crazy rn

im gonna try healing a tier 6 delve on MW

[warm steppe]

that is great news

i was kinda going crazy trying to figure it out

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean no one's wasting their time optimizing for random aoe sims

so it'll work good enough

but if you look hard enough it'll probably mess up a gcd or two

and that's fine

[spiral rain]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/t9nY99ziJPX2kWi6kmA8Es

can anyone help me figure out what to do? for example those items only give like tiny dps increase

not sure where im messing up

[mighty bronze]

Hi fellas, looking for some log review as a new assa player. wondering what might be creating the discrepancy on envenom dps on mythic rashanan. that seems to be the main issue, but anything else y'all see on what i can improve upon? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/RAc2ZMGa7bxYyDvL/XWjpVMQBL47GcwDC#fight=6,42&source=2,Ethassa&type=damage-done

[tired gull]

your simming ST with m+ talents

[violet berry]

Idk what it is but I’m bone dry on energy on 1st boss of city

Every time

[spiral rain]

ty that raised it a bit

[echo marlin]

new assass player here for aoe dmg rotation am i looking to multi dot garrote and rupture out side of the spread from stealth?

[waxen oyster]

tab target

[gloomy heart]

after 28 runs, i got my hero skardyns

[balmy condor]

wow

that's real lucky

[gloomy heart]

not for my mental

[balmy condor]

I mean the average is easily above 40

[lunar mango]

Question for Ara kara final boss. Does cloak of shadows stop the suck in

[west crown]

Garrote main target, tab target rupture up to 5

[west crown]

Not the suck in but the damage. Just make sure to time it right so you actually cloak the damage

[quasi stump]

I DID IT
I healed them

it was a completely dogshit group

but i did it

[amber fossil]

did we get another nerf recently? I just went from a 619 dagger to 626 and the sim is very slightly higher

like, within the last week

[real onyx]

yo wtf this cant be right lol

flask says 150k

[balmy condor]

yeah

so

there's 4 places to check the tooltip of that trinket

and they're all different

and not one of them is correct

[dawn heath]

has anyone tried running up to the adds on GB valiona and applying rupture do u have time for that before it picks a target?

[real onyx]

wth lol

[balmy condor]

welcome to world of warcraft

[dawn heath]

i havent dared to do it

[errant mauve]

anyone wanna take a look at my sikran log and let me know where im missing some dps?

[spice spire]

Limilli Log Review

[spice spire]

sure

[blazing summit]

can i quetion here?

[spice spire]

yes

[blazing summit]

This time, I took the Blood-Kissed Kukri, Regicide mythic raid item, but if I do this, I have to remove Darkmoon Sigil: Ascension from the weapon I crafted. Would it be better to use 2 Dawnthread Linings or keep the crafted weapon and use Darkmoon Sigil: Would it be better to use Ascension?

I'm not a native English speaker so my grammar may be wrong.

[spice spire]

I'm not 100% sure, it is gear dependent, I would recommend simming your gear to be sure, and you can add that stuff in and see as well

[spice spire]

you did great buddy

[errant mauve]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QH8nxwKVJqGWaz62#fight=87&type=damage-done&source=791

on sikran cloak of shadows should negate the shatter right?

[lethal arrow]

it do be magic damage

[errant mauve]

and it should negate the knockback too

hmm wonder if i was bugged then cause it didnt work for me so i had to run away

[still stirrup]

OH damage doesn't really matter, I think in raid situation crafted dagger is better

It simd higher for me than double myth dagger and dawnthread

Ascension+the embellishment

You can top sim it anyway

[lethal arrow]

its not really that much downtime

[errant mauve]

yea i know but still should be working

[blazing summit]

Is the difference in item level 3 not that important? I'm curious so I ask

[still stirrup]

No, not at all for OH

[blazing summit]

mm.. what is "OH"?

[lethal arrow]

off hand

[blazing summit]

aa

[lethal arrow]

also yeah the 3 diff is not important because ascension/dawnthread are very strong

[blazing summit]

ok

[lethal arrow]

and offhand doesnt do shit for us

[still stirrup]

Difference between everything is pretty marginal in the end, I just had crafted dagger before I had 2nd myth dagger so I kept it

Either option is still strong

[dawn heath]

its crazy

whenever i get lust or pi my game starts lagging

my client cant handle haste

[lethal arrow]

at this point youd really only swap 639 kukri for 639 regicide

[blazing summit]

That seems like the correct answer

[still stirrup]

Unless you wanna drop like 30-40k to swap everyyhing

[blazing summit]

thx everyone

[dawn heath]

i am so annoyed its been lagging for days and i dont know what to do about it

and my ms is perfect

[errant mauve]

ok so in opener is it worth while to ambush garrote rupture DM shiv KB vanish envenom shiv mut mut envenom to try to get the super charger points both inside the MA window

[onyx rock]

Try deleting your cache folder

[dawn heath]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/j2ZQAREcDkK3QhsxF?invite=cr-MSxwdncsMTcyMzI0NTA1LA

this is not normal right? (around 17-22s)

or am i tripping

[dawn heath]

does that have any other consequences like is anything important gonna dissapear?

look how the boss is just teleporting around unnaturally and people as well and my movement and animations are just fucked

[still stirrup]

Looks normal?

[onyx rock]

No

[dawn heath]

u serious?

u think it looks normal?

at 17-23s

[still stirrup]

Boss teleports because of where everyone stands

[dawn heath]

look how my character moves

and athe animations

[still stirrup]

I'm on a phone so can't see that clearly for your char

[dawn heath]

ye then u wont be able to see properly

[onyx rock]

Tbh it looks normal for me too. I even zoomed in

[dawn heath]

Lol

[still stirrup]

Boss always does that, and your groups placement is pretty wild

[errant mauve]

if i have transmitter, its a nightmare to use but at what point do i use it cause the mini game can be fuckin aids

[still stirrup]

He will teleport like that

[dawn heath]

it is crazy lag

[errant mauve]

like right before DM in window?

[still stirrup]

Do it before

[gusty mirage]

you don't enjoy your character randomly jumping around like you pressed killing spree on outlaw?

[onyx rock]

I think its more impressive that you did over 1,6 million dps on this boss lol

[gusty mirage]

[errant mauve]

before DM but like how much more before DM

[gusty mirage]

the game's good

[still stirrup]

You have like 20s to do the game

[gusty mirage]

10/10

[still stirrup]

So up to you

[dawn heath]

also

[gusty mirage]

but yeah that seems like some strange ass lag more-so than any other issue

[dawn heath]

i hit FOK and it doesnt actually go off until the global is over

[gusty mirage]

probably a weird desync w/ the server or some shit

[still stirrup]

This raid is so fucking laggy maybe I've normalized it

[dawn heath]

thank you than someone noticed it

holy shit

people are saying im not lagging

like what

[errant mauve]

yea i been lagging a good bit in raid as well

[gusty mirage]

ye that's def not how your character's supposed to move

there's not fluidity

at all

it's literally hopping around

[dawn heath]

yeah

and it griefed me twice during the fight

queueing wrong gcd

cause server doesnt register my presses

or some shit

even though my ms is perfect

[gusty mirage]

used to happen on sylv all the time for me in SL

it's server side lag, not your MS

[dawn heath]

the thing is

my game crashed unexpectedly and when i started it, all my settings were reset. so u know u start wow u get the cinematic blizzard music blasting your headphones

and ever since then i've been lagging

since my settings reset

[gusty mirage]

try repairing the installation

[onyx rock]

Is this kill mythic ? Cant tell

[dawn heath]

yes

[gusty mirage]

something def went fucky after the crash

[onyx rock]

This private Log ?