assassination

[warm vortex]

i think i still prefer subter

[late surge]

I prefer subt

[coral ibex]

my old guild is still trying to fix dbm/bw say bubble issues for ovi

[warm vortex]

Both would be fun but like
youd have to remove tea and vigor or something to get both
which is a fuck no

[coral ibex]

[late surge]

especially in pugs

[woven shore]

My guild and me almost oneshot ovinax ( could call it like this bc we had 3:40hours to do her)

[late surge]

where tanks random chain

[woven shore]

Almost one session ovinax

[late surge]

6 sec into the pull

[woven shore]

Thats pretty good

[wispy epoch]

Dunning Kruger effect btw

[woven shore]

Problem is my guild is avrg 630 ilv

We even went to p3 28%

On ovinax

Then wiped to worms

[wispy epoch]

That’s scary

You’re almost at max ilvl…

[spice spire]

I mean

9 ilvl off

[coral ibex]

no, you’re closer to hero tier than max

[spice spire]

But see the point

Yeah

[nimble vector]

you're also getting 2.5% damage and healing every 2 weeks

[halcyon grail]

For real, try being a female carpenter foreman irl. lol

[woven shore]

☠️

[halcyon grail]

#strikesKugisakipose

[quartz spear]

I didn't know add dmg on Rash counts for parses now 😐

[spice spire]

I agree but counterpoint: did you ever get an avatar

[nimble vector]

yes that is now my avatar 🙂

[spice spire]

[wispy epoch]

I’ll be honest with yall

I don’t think my guild is gonna get CE the way things are going

[oak tangle]

mine neither

[wispy epoch]

But I’m with them till the end of the tier at least

[static glacier]

you're forgetting they will nuke the end bosses with nerfs

[halcyon grail]

After CE is unattainable.

[wispy epoch]

You think we’ll see end boss?!

[woven shore]

Yea

[static glacier]

I wouldn't give up yet, we're not even halfway through the tier

[halcyon grail]

That's usually been the trend.

[oak tangle]

what do you mean unobtainable

[wispy epoch]

I have a hunter at 618 ilvl in my mythic team rn!!!

[oak tangle]

in season 2

[halcyon grail]

You mean I have to deal with another 3 months of this shit?!

[static glacier]

yeah most likely

[halcyon grail]

Fuck I'm going back to FFXIV

[vapid terrace]

618 to 630 is fast

[static glacier]

xdddd

[spice spire]

Yeah isn’t 11.1 in February?

[wispy epoch]

I have 5 people who log in just to raid

[wispy epoch]

Loot funnels

[oak tangle]

there is so much of the next 3 months that you can do other things tough

[wispy epoch]

I have people not maxed out on crests

With 619 crafted gear

[coral ibex]

lmao

[quasi stump]

[static glacier]

im 99% sure the reason ur team is still on brood isn't bc of a lack of ilvl. the 618 hunter isn't helping but he's not griefing in a meaningful way with low ilvl. issue will be eggs / kicks / hitting the right targets

[lethal arrow]

what boss u on

[wispy epoch]

It’s bc I don’t have death knights or demon hunter tanks 😭

[warm vortex]

Ok got into a 12 SoB

pleas

[static glacier]

OOF

[warm vortex]

please please people

be smart

please please plesae

[fresh kelp]

[warm vortex]

aug ret and assa

[oak tangle]

they already not smart queuing for siege

[wispy epoch]

And now yall see why I don’t give my parses here

[warm vortex]

not much boss dps

[static glacier]

smarter option is not entering the m+ hamster wheel above 10 xd

[worldly sail]

im in this 12 siege right now about to tricks on this other rogue called vendeten

[wispy epoch]

If I get reverse looked up and yall show my guild these chatlogs

[warm vortex]

At least i can drop IW for SB

[wispy epoch]

I’d be cooked

[static glacier]

maybe just be honest about ur concerns with gm / officer u trust

[spice spire]

Tell that fraud

[static glacier]

like you like the guild / vibe but you also want CE

[spice spire]

Mo is right

[normal mist]

Why are FF14 players talking about wow ahahah

[wispy epoch]

I have one guy I vent to but they already know

[spice spire]

If they can’t understand your frustration, and try to fix it.
It may be time for a new one eh

[static glacier]

just stop caring is the best advice

[quasi stump]

i posted it there

too lazy to post it again

[normal mist]

Oh

Lol

[quasi stump]

so I just forwarded it

[static glacier]

I start just purposefully not looking at what others are doing / blasting music and just focusing on global to global creating the perfect pull

[quasi stump]

im pretty sure you cant get a hexidecimal address level of haste

[wispy epoch]

I don’t care too much but it’s fun to laugh about it here

[quasi stump]

im leveling Survival hunter RN, it's a fucking blast

[static glacier]

that's how I got through tindral with my old guild of friends

[wispy epoch]

I’m glad I missed Dragonfl if it

Dragonflight

[coral ibex]

so this guy is behind me in prog and talks shit about my prog constantly?

wild

[warm vortex]

Yea

[static glacier]

I miss the guild yknow, it was a ton worse than where I am now but I miss raiding with everyone being friends I know well

[wispy epoch]

Yea

[warm vortex]

I don't think he is very intelligent X)

Either that

or he is REALLY good at baiting

like really really good

[quasi stump]

man the Season 3 set of frost mage was so fun...

i miss glacial spike being so beefy

[static glacier]

incredibly based by hakari

i can talk shit about gordon ramsay's food despite being a random home cook

[oak tangle]

if you wanna make these kinda arguments, then you better not follow whispyr's guides

[wispy epoch]

Just know I play better at my lowest point than they do at their highest

[spice spire]

Real

[warm vortex]

Can you give us your logs then

[spice spire]

Dude doesn’t even use cast iron for his steak

Smdh

[wispy epoch]

Sure 1 sec

[oak tangle]

/cast iron```

[warm vortex]

Cheers

doing key rq
so ill check them when im back

if they are less than bucks then we can confirm feint isnt a dps loss X)

[ebon prism]

on ST opener, when do u vanish for improved garrote? is it when the initial one falls off?
also, if i only have single shiv charge, i always save for last 6 secs of KB right?

[lethal arrow]

after second shiv

[spice spire]

Are we still having the feint discussion

[lethal arrow]

and yes save it for last 6

[oak tangle]

if you are vanishing to reapply, you can pandemic, so as long as you will get the end ticks of kb

[royal lantern]

the better part is

being on nexus princess rn and thinking dmg matterss

when dmg only matterss for like, 50guilds in the world lmao

[coral ibex]

gotta top these wipe logs

[royal lantern]

ffs i should get a new keyboard

that double S is annoying

[ebon prism]

ok thanks

[static glacier]

big true, this week's kill of nexus princess I forgot to use pots (macro'd ran out) boss kill was litterally just mechs check

though an earlier wipe with like 2-3 dead coulda been a kill if we'd had big dps

[tropic cedar]

for now

i know what im doing when i get off work

[oak tangle]

no i got got

😦

[lethal arrow]

didnt get our nexus princess kill last night cuz our hunters isp decided to do maintenance

[royal lantern]

we had a wipe that could have been a kill on our first prog day

[oak tangle]

im still rank 1 na though

[static glacier]

im in no reclear prison

[snow hamlet]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[royal lantern]

literally because people died cus they didnt use deffensives

[tropic cedar]

im na as well

[lethal arrow]

ur guilds extending?

[static glacier]

we hopefully kill court next raid

[tropic cedar]

checkmate

[static glacier]

ye, gear is giga fake

[lethal arrow]

pain

[oak tangle]

if you get externals it doesnt count

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-cat-yap-yapper-yapping-gif-5642199211123099306

[ebon prism]

does anyone ever switch from primary target to apply garrote/ruptures on opener, or always let indiscriminate carnage do the work?

[royal lantern]

we will extend after this week aswell

[static glacier]

another way to look at it is we get to farm faster, 1 day reclear faster too

[tropic cedar]

gear is turbo fake this tier with the scaling damage/healing buff.

[coral ibex]

mouseovers

[tropic cedar]

(except for spymaster)

that is not fake

[static glacier]

even without it's not like this tier has dps checks if ur 626

[spice spire]

Us

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/big-hug-gif-26546176639434304

[ebon prism]

is this a big dps increase? or can i just keep targeting primary and casting garrote/rupture?

[static glacier]

maybe princess kinda

[tropic cedar]

maybe so, but p1 ansurek is a very real hps check

[coral ibex]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[static glacier]

but idk rest seems more mechanics

[spice spire]

Fuck I’m only 625

[static glacier]

ain't hps checks just a healing cds puzzle

[royal lantern]

reminder that we get 2,5% more dmg/healing every 2 weeks

so by the time mo/me are probs at queen, its ~10% allready lol

[coral ibex]

yea next week 7.5% wowee

[tropic cedar]

that was my original point tryan lmao

[oak tangle]

this assumes equal player skill

[royal lantern]

and christmas season is happening aswell soon

which means raid breaks

and when you come back its just 5% more dmg/healing

[royal lantern]

sometimes its actuall healing awarness

but most of the time ye, shuffeling cds around does most of the work

[ebon prism]

oh ok so even at 8+ targets, the dps increase from using mouseover to apply garrote/rupture is very minimal

[oak tangle]

mouseover vs tab targetting is no different

[tropic cedar]

if you are dotting up 8+ targets every pull you are losing a lot of caustic damage

which is more valuable

[ebon prism]

no i mean just on opener with indiscriminate carnage

[tropic cedar]

oh, then yes

[lethal arrow]

my guild prob starts silken next week so by ansurek we should have like 10% as well

[wispy epoch]

Hey really quick guys I have a question. If join a guild that’s 5/8M, does it count for me too when I reclear farm with them?

[tropic cedar]

it is very minimal

[ebon prism]

when u kill 5 of them, yes

[lethal arrow]

oh and the 11.0.7 ring

[tropic cedar]

you will lose 1 garrote and 1 rupture by not using mouseover/swapping targets

[lethal arrow]

that things insane

[royal lantern]

tbh, we will fall behind a good chunk cus healers on vacation next week

and no real replacement

so kinda rip

but w/e, who cares

[lethal arrow]

same with my guild, our mage is only available tuesdays thursdays, the other mage who was his slot had a work schedule change so now we only have the 1 mage

[ebon prism]

sometimes kb is not up for the next global after deathmark. is it okay to still send deathmark? or how long would i hold deathmark so that i can kb?

[lethal arrow]

u wait

[coral ibex]

you want them aligned

[lethal arrow]

to line it up cuz u death the full KB duration

[coral ibex]

unless playing for a very specific timing

[nimble vector]

are you talking about raid or m+, i'm not sure why it would be desynced in raid

[lethal arrow]

it will happen in raid

[ebon prism]

in M+

[lethal arrow]

and M+

[coral ibex]

you can be in a transition with no targets when kb comes up

[ebon prism]

ive been sending KB on cd and holding deathmark for KB

[coral ibex]

and then you send it with like 55s on DM

[muted wing]

hey guys, im new here 🙂 i play assa and i get good AOE dps with the M+ spec from Wowhead. But i suck with it at single target ( bosses) is there anything you would change ? would appreciate any help. Gonna watch a video nevertheless 🙂

[nimble vector]

the spec sucks on ST with aoe build that's probably why

[oak tangle]

realistically, there is no need to hold if it's within 2 gcd's

[ebon prism]

yeah because deathmark lasts 2 seconds longer

[lethal arrow]

if its like 5 secs off hold

[coral ibex]

yea press DM when kb has 1s left

[muted wing]

haha i imagined but what do i do then on bosses in m+ ?

[coral ibex]

and then kb comes off cd during the DM global

[lethal arrow]

if not u can do it if kb has 2-3 secs on cd

[royal lantern]

be carried be giga op classes

[coral ibex]

play for envenom uptime

[muted wing]

my main is a frost DK 😄

[nimble vector]

just play for envenom uptime and maintain dots

[cunning basin]

i usually do fine on bosses in m+ but im running ttk so maybe thats why

[ebon prism]

frost dk not even giga op compared to enh sham now

[gritty sequoia]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[wispy epoch]

🤢

[muted wing]

thanks ima reroll to enh 😄

[ebon prism]

np

enjoy

[cunning basin]

better than running sanguine blades, fuck that talent

[red bloom]

smart choice

[cunning basin]

good choice enh shaman broken still

[wispy epoch]

The talent 80% of rogues are running in 14+ keys? 🥺

[cunning basin]

yup, because i dont like the way it plays 😄

[mental kestrel]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[cunning basin]

I'm not doing 14s so I don't believe that what people running 14s are doing matters to me!

[wispy epoch]

Your poor mutilate key…

Twist the knife… 😔

[coral ibex]

so based and real

[wispy epoch]

Cringe

[ebon prism]

how do you change your playstyle with sanguine blades? u try to always stay above 50% energy?

[coral ibex]

can you get off my dick dude

[cunning basin]

what i run for m+ bc ttk is fun and ma is fun

[coral ibex]

holy shit

[balmy condor]

Even if you did 14s the people running 14s don’t matter with how many fucking builds there are

[ornate harbor]

Anyone know what WA kusshh (Echo) is using?

feel it looks nicer then the ones i find

[inland escarp]

His own

[cunning basin]

thank you

thats what i always try to tell people, that there's like 5 builds or more you can play in m+, all of them are fine and have their own strengths and weaknesses

[balmy condor]

Drop bone spike take sanguine and sudden

[wispy epoch]

But 80% of the builds have it 😔

[balmy condor]

But I don’t give a shit

[ebon prism]

im trying no iron-wire build in pug 12's. is that a mistake?

[trail flax]

While Kingsbane is active, if there are 8 seconds remaining and i have 6–7 combo points, should use Shiv? Or should use Envenom first to consume the combo points and then use Shiv?

[balmy condor]

Shiv

[nimble vector]

yes

[ornate harbor]

any place to find it?

[cunning basin]

no SBS is so cringe tho 🤢

[balmy condor]

Guess you die then

Fuck it drop CT

[cunning basin]

fuck ct me and all my homies hate ct

(real)(true)

[wispy epoch]

Doesn’t even give me energy

[lethal arrow]

just thug it out and take ST targets with only caustic

[wispy epoch]

Nah, I’d splatter

[cunning basin]

people did play that cursed shit in M+ at some point in s3 for high keys

[balmy condor]

Honestly can get away with it

[trail flax]

In a Raid ST, when is the optimal timing to use Vanish whiel Kingsbnae? Is it when Kingsbane has 6 seconds remaining? or Kingsbane reach 50stacks?

[cunning basin]

no IC no sudden literally only caustic

idc if its good that is so unbelievably cursed lmao

[toxic whale]

what do we think of dropping sanguine blades for ttk/sd/ma?

[ebon prism]

with sanguine blades, do i try my best to always stay above 50% energy? or with all the energy gains in aoe, is it only a thing to consciously do in ST?

[balmy condor]

Go for it

[lethal arrow]

vanish after second shiv during kingsbane

[balmy condor]

Below 50%

[cunning basin]

in st stay under 50%, in aoe energy isn't real so who cares

[ebon prism]

why below 50% if sanguine blades works above 50%?

[red bloom]

His discord, gotta sub to his twitch

[toxic whale]

what's the advantage/disadvantage?

[balmy condor]

Exactly because of that

[coral ibex]

because sanguine is a waste of energy in ST

[cunning basin]

^

[coral ibex]

you don’t want to spend energy on bleeds in ST

[wispy epoch]

Dps increase actually

[coral ibex]

you want it for envenoms

[ebon prism]

ohhhhhh u only want that effect in aoe, but not really in ST?

[cunning basin]

envenom uptime > bleed damage in st

[coral ibex]

yea that’s why i dropped it for ttk personally

[cunning basin]

you'll have it the only time it matters(during deathmark)

[balmy condor]

More single target, more aoe, more single target

[trail flax]

Vanish and then use Garrote, right? but i see some Top logs, somebody use Vanish -> Ambush-> Garrote. why they use ambush?

[balmy condor]

Mark probably

[cunning basin]

mark or just for efficient cp generation

[trail flax]

got it. Thanks

[balmy condor]

I mean

[ebon prism]

if target marked already, u skip ambush on vanish re-opener?

[lethal arrow]

vanish into garrote yeh, sometimes mark or some shit

[balmy condor]

Ambush is anything but efficient

[lethal arrow]

who knows, ppl will press anything

[cunning basin]

honestly this

[balmy condor]

So probably not that

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor stupid question inc

using ambush instead of mutilate during Subterfuge, yes or no

[lethal arrow]

but if i ambush itll put a second mark on the boss

[cunning basin]

but its a strong stealth ability surely its the best thing to press always

[balmy condor]

No

[ebon prism]

so ambush for mark is the only reason to do it?

[subtle tundra]

Well give up 1 point for ic as well and it's gucci

[balmy condor]

Yes

[lethal arrow]

you would only ambush mid pull if ur mark falls off

[royal lantern]

fuck me, i need a seperate keybind for ambush and mutilate then again

[lethal arrow]

could happen on like ulgrax

[young light]

Does that mean if comes down to having energy to bleed or envenom. Yoh should envenom?

[subtle tundra]

Idk sbs is really good for add bosses esp when you play Aug so you have to do dam on them

[spring stream]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

Have fun Mr +0.15%

[cunning basin]

LMAO

[royal lantern]

wait, its 0,15%

fuck that shit then lmao

[lethal arrow]

yuh

[royal lantern]

ambush during subterfuge it is

[balmy condor]

What did you think it was

[thorn fjord]

4%

[balmy condor]

Secret 4% dps hack

[thorn fjord]

LOL

[royal lantern]

idk, 1% cus its the burst window or shit like that

[nimble vector]

no, keep bleeds up or you will have no energy, but the damage you gain from the bleeds from sanguine is not worth what you would get using that energy on envenoms instead

[cunning basin]

its not 4% secret dps hack? fk

now ill never parse

[thorn fjord]

GET OUT OF MY BRAIN

[shy pecan]

Over 9000

[trail flax]

One more stupid question. Doesn't Ambush do more damage than Mutilate, provide more combo points, and use the same amount of energy? Why is Ambush considered inefficient?

[ebon prism]

i feel like in ST M+, im just at 1% energy always at the 40% hp left mark

[royal lantern]

mut is more potential cp

[balmy condor]

Mate, missing an entire shiv is less than 1%

[ebon prism]

oops didnt mean to reply

[woven shore]

How are other assa rogues dealing 2,7 and 3,3Million dps on Ovinax
What am i doing wrong o.O

[young light]

I didn’t mean completely drop bleeds. But I more meant if you’re about to drop envenom or bleed and only had energy to refresh one. Dk you refresh bleed or envenom first?

[cunning basin]

[balmy condor]

Not enough aoe

[fresh kelp]

they are the same potential with improved ambush no?

[nimble vector]

the more your group fucks up parasites the more damage you do

[royal lantern]

i love overthinking stuff allright, but thats why im asking

and thats why i also say "fuck it lmao" when i realise that the number is a joke and not worth any effort or thought at all

[wispy epoch]

Yeah doing good dmg on Ovinax is actually a sign of doing bad

[royal lantern]

have less people that kill shit instantly

[cunning basin]

envenom more important during cds, outside of cds kinda doesn't matter that much afaik but math people probably know

[wispy epoch]

Less fury warriors

[lethal arrow]

padding on adds

[spice surge]

It doesnt proc poisons twice, mut can give more CP and the damage difference is negligible

[wispy epoch]

I HATE FURY WARRIORS AHHH

[nimble vector]

refresh bleed

[young light]

If it’s negligible then that’s fine

[cunning basin]

me and the other sin rogue both purple parsed on ovi this week bc our frost dk went unholy

[subtle tundra]

I grey parsed cause I died

[lethal arrow]

ovinax logs are fake

[subtle tundra]

And I played fatebound

[nimble vector]

all logs are fake just play to kill the boss

[cunning basin]

in my other guild i cant even run CT

[royal lantern]

sounds familiar

[lethal arrow]

u can omega parse if someone just keeps getting infested and dropping parasites for fun

[cunning basin]

because the adds just fucking die instantly

[spice surge]

Boss log enjoyer

[cunning basin]

so i ran full ST with caustic and yolo'd it

[balmy condor]

CT is boss log though

[spice surge]

Ye

[lethal arrow]

(ovinax is not counted in allstar for a reason)

[cunning basin]

is it not? thats good

[lethal arrow]

my raids aoe is insane so i get like 3 FOKs off

[nimble vector]

I played around with this a lot and I think CT is better regardless on that boss, even if the adds are getting destroyed (although it is close)

[lethal arrow]

if you look at the top parse, bro gets off like 8 FOKs

[cunning basin]

when i say the adds die instantly

i mean like

[proud badge]

So wait 0.15% okay, but dont you lose darkest night with ambush?

[cunning basin]

they live for 2 seconds

even spiders live about 4

[balmy condor]

What

[rotund monolith]

can someone give me insights on how we actually have to play the ovinax trinket? Is it better to keep it at 30 stack agi or 30 stack mastery or 10/20 into either?

[proud badge]

With darkest night up, don't you lose it with ambush?

[balmy condor]

No?

[cunning basin]

fury warr, double fdk, havoc dh, demo lock, the adds just get cooked, it ain't even worth tryna CT KEK

[balmy condor]

How would that work

[nimble vector]

10/20 either is best

[rotund monolith]

doesnt matter which?

[proud badge]

Huh okay I always thought so because the mark goes up on target, well fuck that then I'm pressing ambush

[tight swift]

Can anyone help me out, Im new to assination and am running into the issue of eventually in long fights or if a dungeons gone on long enough, im starved on energy and my dps takes a baseball bat to the knees. Is there any trick or way to work out so this doesnt happen as often. ( used to save thistle teas but now its automatic so dont know how to get around that)

[nimble vector]

there's probably an optimal one to keep higher but I don't know

[nimble vector]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[balmy condor]

There is not, as long as stacks are <20

[wispy epoch]

Completely normal for ST

Only option would be to rupture additional adds or pull trash into boss

[lethal arrow]

hope my vault has ovinax ring in it

[cunning basin]

sin one of the last remaining specs in the game where resources kinda matter

[lethal arrow]

[cunning basin]

until they buff venomous wounds back up to 10 energy

[royal lantern]

got it last clear and my ilvl jumped from 632 to 635 lmao

[royal lantern]

even thats something you can argure over

like reminder that energy minmaxing is a minor thing lol

[warm vortex]

At LEAST i finished it

i guess

[nimble vector]

I'm pretty sure if you just mash buttons every global and ignore energy entirely you won't even lose that much dps

[royal lantern]

like, people made a big deal out of the "pool to 80% for envenom chains with tierset" during DF S3

that was a minor gain and not something that actually had big impact lol

[cunning basin]

well yeah but like the feeling energy starved thing just aint something you really feel with other specs

energy is almost a real resource for us sometimes

[royal lantern]

auto usage tea by smashing 24/7 and perfect minmaxed tea is a sub 1% difference

[thorn fjord]

I never did that shit 😛

[cunning basin]

i think math man said .2% KEK

gotta love that

[proud badge]

I love sin but I also like pressing buttons so I would argue if they took some damage away and gave us energy it would probably feel better idk

[royal lantern]

like

using abilitys does dmg

thats it

[lethal arrow]

its more to replace my poopoo 639 haste vers ring

[royal lantern]

still had a HC ring

only 2 hc slot left, shoulders and belt (which is crafted item and will do last)

[cunning basin]

i like the way it feels most times idk. it was a little more fun pre ttk when we were down to like 46 or whatever apm

that was nice

but we back in amirdrassil apm territory

[woven shore]

Is this okay?

[lethal arrow]

im just missin a belt

[warm vortex]

Am i the only one that thinks 2nd boss of SoB is horribly made

[woven shore]

We are almost oneshotting adds

[quasi stump]

Id be so sad

[warm vortex]

You didn't see what i posted earlier

[woven shore]

First egg set blows in like 5 seconds

[warm vortex]

if you think thats bad

[wispy epoch]

I have a fuckin champion queen ring, and bc it’s 8/8 upgradable it’s become clear to me that the only upgrade is gonna be a heroic queen ring for it 😔

[quasi stump]

Yeah most of the SoB bosses are pretty bad

[nimble vector]

swap weapon enchant if you care btw, depths is bad in aoe situations

[woven shore]

Oh lol i forget

Nah then fuck parses

[lethal arrow]

i just wouldnt wory about it lul

[woven shore]

I dealt most st dmg

We have more than enough aoe

[lethal arrow]

ovi parse is quite literally worthless

[woven shore]

Alr

[cunning basin]

yeah

like

[woven shore]

I dealt 501 mil st in 6m thats fine w me

[lethal arrow]

i doubt anyone smart would look at ur logs and be like, hmm this guy got a green on the massive AOE pad fight

[cunning basin]

on ovi if the boss is dying your damage quite literally does not matter

[lethal arrow]

hes bad

[cunning basin]

and fwiw if you're playing sin rogue

the only thing you should care about in that fight is your st

[lethal arrow]

also keep in mind, the strat now that we have the dmg is to skip the last egg breaks

[quasi stump]

M+ bosses that last more that 2 mins are miserable

[woven shore]

Sooo...
You think i did fine?..

[warm vortex]

We had a ret, an assa and boomie X)

bosses would take ages

[lethal arrow]

so if ur guild does that strat the boss dies with 0 adds up for the last 30 seconds

[lethal arrow]

yeah ur fine lol

if the boss dies thats all that matters on that fight

[cunning basin]

yup

[fresh kelp]

you know what spec has great st especially in cot?

[warm vortex]

What

[pearl flower]

Huh

[warm vortex]

If you say boomie

im fuming

cause he did 1mil overall

[cunning basin]

nah boomie st blows dick even in st spec

[fresh kelp]

Outlaw

[proud badge]

Frost/Arcane doing pretty great on ST honestly

[pearl flower]

Enhancement is also pretty good

[proud badge]

Except they died before so they lost their spymasters lol

[cunning basin]

the specs i usually see on top for bosses in m+ usually sin rogue, dev evoker, arcane mage all do pretty well

enh sham obviously

frost dk is fine st and still giga aoe

[subtle tundra]

They clearly also try to keep that way. That's why the keep changing the values of energy gains

[static glacier]

idk why that doesn't seem real

[warm vortex]

Imma just do another 9

[wispy epoch]

I wanna go back to outlaw so bad

[warm vortex]

10 i mean

[wispy epoch]

I just can’t justify

[static glacier]

sin is not a top performer on a st boss

[warm vortex]

go back then?

[wispy epoch]

80APM

[warm vortex]

Isn't that

like

[fresh kelp]

Sin’s st is keys is very sad

[warm vortex]

the whole class point

to go fast

[static glacier]

max i've done on 1st boss GB as sin is 1.2, sv today with 3 less ilvls did 1.46

[cunning basin]

how? I usually do like 1.1m or so on bosses in m+

[subtle tundra]

Yea you're not seeing assa top st, cap

[wispy epoch]

No

[subtle tundra]

What level keys

[static glacier]

you have no idea how broken shit like sv / enh can be

[tropic cedar]

because the m+ build is not focused around ST damage

[wispy epoch]

Demon hunters are all about speed

[proud badge]

I mean he has a point, rogue is the only class with reduced GCD

[static glacier]

i can talk on sv bc it's my only other char

[subtle tundra]

Cause my boss fights take 4min in many cases

[cunning basin]

welll... yeah, no shit lol

[static glacier]

sin is average for pure st bosses id say

in keys

[cunning basin]

i mean, 12s, and a 13

[static glacier]

before the buffs it was weak

[wispy epoch]

Yes but we’re not filling every gcd, at least on single target

[warm vortex]

Im with varas on this

assa never tops dps

For st

in m+

[static glacier]

its ok, not giga weak

[fresh kelp]

I would say assa st is bad

[static glacier]

but deffo not a top contender

[warm vortex]

Unless the other 2 dps are other aoe focused specs

[fresh kelp]

Personally

[warm vortex]

or they are playing badly

[cunning basin]

who the fuck are yall playing with then am i just playing with shitters? I literally never am not top dps in st in keys lmao

[proud badge]

But that's his point no? We should use every GCD imo

[static glacier]

it was before the buffs

now it's just average imo

[subtle tundra]

You just play with pissers most likely

[cunning basin]

the only spec I've gotten smashed by is enh

[quasi stump]

Honestly call me a crackhead but 4 warband slots isnt enough

[subtle tundra]

I'd also top st in pugs

[tropic cedar]

probably the latter

[wispy epoch]

Sounds like you should play fury warrior

[cunning basin]

i mean even with my guildies and shit idk they must also be shitters LMAO

[tropic cedar]

must be

[static glacier]

also it's not even a competition vs casters with spymasters

that shit is so fucked up

[cunning basin]

well yeah lol

[subtle tundra]

Idk I'm gonna compare to the best players of the meta specs

[cunning basin]

any spymasters pull/boss the caster will just win

[static glacier]

think i've had the pull of my life on 3rd boss siege with 1.3

caster on 1.6

like wut

[subtle tundra]

Not gonna compare to some random 3k Rio shitter

[static glacier]

bruh

[cunning basin]

we did a triple pull on the last area of mists and my boomy just sat at 10m the whole time

[wispy epoch]

Spymaster is literally just Razor Coral

[cunning basin]

and im like ok yeah sure

[woven shore]

Lol

[pearl flower]

I am like 610 enhance And I just topping the ST bosses by a mile

[static glacier]

aoe we crank

[wispy epoch]

Yall remember razor coral?

[static glacier]

aoe we actually don't lose

just pure st is middling

[wispy epoch]

Any razor coral enjoyers in here

[subtle tundra]

Play with a good ele

Lol

[fresh kelp]

enh, surv, dk, both other rogue specs will all gap assa st

[woven shore]

What is razor coral

[cunning basin]

trinket from bfa

[static glacier]

tbf i didnt actually get to play with ele for that 1 week they were omegabroken

[tropic cedar]

ele may have better total AoE, but our prio+AoE is unmatched in keys

[woven shore]

I for sure played it

If it is bfa

[subtle tundra]

I mean right now as well

[static glacier]

did get to play with good enh though, that was the 3rd time I lost overall this expac

[wispy epoch]

It’s razor coral but easier

[cunning basin]

the prio is crazy, when we were running nw 12 with a frost dk + me on sin the first pull the necromancer literally died right as my deathmark ended lmao

shit is nuts

[static glacier]

now I think on it, I haven't played with ele since the rework which is wierd considerring day 1 and all of first week my set group had ele

[tropic cedar]

its nothing like coral what?

spymaster gives main stat

[woven shore]

Yea i remember

[wispy epoch]

You build stacks and press again to use them

How is it NOTHING like

[tropic cedar]

for crit

[wispy epoch]

You’re insane

[tropic cedar]

the power delta is just not the same at all

[wispy epoch]

I wasn’t talking about the power delta

[tropic cedar]

you said it was the same, but easier

[wispy epoch]

I was talking about the usage of it

[tropic cedar]

[wispy epoch]

To use

[lethal arrow]

spymasters at home

[wispy epoch]

Good example of two people saying and reading the same shit, extrapolating two different conclusions

[cunning basin]

i was a big fan of the inkpod trinket

that one was really funny

[pliant remnant]

It's NOTHING like Razor Coral

It's NOT even a trinket in the video game World of Warcraft

[tropic cedar]

right

[pliant remnant]

[tropic cedar]

i just misread wrong

[wispy epoch]

Yeah

[tropic cedar]

[wispy epoch]

Do another Pepe

[tropic cedar]

[wispy epoch]

To hide your seething

Ty

[cunning basin]

[wispy epoch]

I miss when we had real trinkets

Like Draught of Souls

[static glacier]

honestly

current trinket situation is optimal imo

love me a trink that is just macro'd to cds and forgotten

[wispy epoch]

Transmitter

[warm vortex]

Tbh i want more things that are like

weapon effects that arent just embelishment

[vast patio]

Draught +convergence on fury was legendary.

[static glacier]

im a transmitter hater, turned down myth transmitter for hero skardyn's

[subtle tundra]

Convergence of fate... Give me back game breaking trinkets

[tropic cedar]

transmitter is literally just beacon

but harder

[vast patio]

Hot take

[wispy epoch]

Convergence just gave us a shorter cooldown

😡

[static glacier]

had hero transmitter at the same time as 606 skardyns and used skardyns still

[vast patio]

Transmitter is not even a little inconvenient

[wispy epoch]

Draught made me risk death

[static glacier]

it killed me twice on first night of brood prog ages ago

unequipped and now i only use for sub

[wispy epoch]

Yall not gaming if you aren’t timing Draught to not get pushed back by Guldan’s winds in p2

[vast patio]

I've legit never had an issue with it on my mage or rogue

It's a fixed spawn

[subtle tundra]

So did branch

[wispy epoch]

In a wall

To your right

Usually on keys

[static glacier]

it's like 80% completely fine, 15% ur gonna be a bit slow getting it but still fine and 5% it spawns in the wall / in a puddle of shit / inside mob hitbox that you can't see / will kill you if you get it

[wispy epoch]

I hate the jump 3 times one the most

[static glacier]

i remember murdering myself and one other guy for branch on volc too

[wispy epoch]

Literally miss gcds bc of it

[static glacier]

my take is the extra dps is just not worth causing a single wipe ever

we don't fucking matter

ur 1 out of 14 dps

[wispy epoch]

I disagree

[static glacier]

1-2% on a 1/14 is so fake man

[wispy epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/vash-the-stampede-vash-trigun-trigun-stampede-anime-gif-13454447220643711789

[static glacier]

unless ur like bleeding edge prenerf

but im not

[wispy epoch]

I’m a bleeding edge top US 2000 raider

The 2000 is guilds

Not players

[static glacier]

honestly

i think its the people killing shit top 50 that really have gear woes

even then they go full sweat splits

so they'll have ok gear regardless

it's rare that ur whole dps team plays like humans and you can't make a dps check. reminds me of sludgefist

[spice surge]

Ye youre mostly using gear to make up for a guy being dead for like 30s or whatever until your CR is ready

[static glacier]

^

outside of exceptions like trink cd not lining up for a classes' timers like sub and transmitter i think you can always just go the simpler option at a minimal loss and free up mental bandwidth to focus on the fight

since i know if i try and use transmitter on court ill murder someone every 50-70 pulls

[spice surge]

Which is fair as assa, but like as sub you cant realistically replace transmitter

The difference is too big

[cunning basin]

yup

[quiet oar]

@grim jay Are you here

[normal mist]

i am

[quiet oar]

You are a cutie

[normal mist]

thanks

[dry dagger]

Anyone good with Weakauras? I wanna track Scent of Blood stacks and have it glow when I'm at 20 stacks, but I can only get it to glow all the time, or never. Not sure if I need another trigger or something perhaps?

[quiet oar]

But you are not Davyn

[normal mist]

No one is davyn

[quiet oar]

Well Davyn is Davyn

[novel veldt]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[oak tangle]

uhhh 20 stacks? bro, cap is like 5 no?

[dry dagger]

You get 4 stacks per target

[nova aspen]

4%*

[cobalt sphinx]

20 stacks like 20%

[dry dagger]

And 4 stacks of the buff

[oak tangle]

in the trigger, just put it as count >= 5

[dry dagger]

Has to be 20 dude, unless you're tracking enemies with the debuff

The issue is that I don't get it to show when it's less than 20 stacks but only glow when at 20

It's either or

[nimble vector]

you can make something like this that is just overlaid onto your rupture tracker

[oak tangle]

do the trigger, and in conditions, set the glow to activate based on stacks

[dry dagger]

Tried that too, didn't work

[oak tangle]

try it with 5

[nimble vector]

wait why do you want it to glow when you have 20 stacks

[frigid pilot]

are people getting insane input lag on ovinax?

post 11.0.5?

it feels like im 600 ping

[dry dagger]

Just to easily let me know that I'm at max stacks

[nimble vector]

that would mess with my brain, something glowing when I don't have to press something

[cunning basin]

yes

[lethal arrow]

prob ui related

it got better this week for me actually

[frigid pilot]

i disabled plater and dmg numbers

still trash

[lethal arrow]

did you try making details/elvui take longer to update?

assuming ur using elvui

[dry dagger]

Setting it to 5 did nothing

But I guess I can live without the glow

[oak tangle]

i'd be more help if i was at pc, but im in bed, sorry

[dry dagger]

Npnp

Appreciate it anyways

[oak tangle]

you could technically track the number of ruptures you have out

[slate crown]

Just to make sure I understand

you want an icon

[lethal arrow]

tracking # of ruptures is easier

[oak tangle]

that's how i do it for me

[frigid pilot]

i dont use elvui

i use base

[slate crown]

to be glowing when you're at stack count of 20

yes?

[dry dagger]

Yes

[frigid pilot]

only bigwigs, liquidpack, plater

[lethal arrow]

try setting ur details to update every 3 seconds

or whatevr the max is

[frigid pilot]

i did

[lethal arrow]

in that case i have no idea

[frigid pilot]

many people were lagging last night

it was wild

[lethal arrow]

my guild also did our ovinax reclear last night, we 1 tapped it so low sample size

but we didnt run into any lag issues

[deep breach]

Grim batol is defeating me guys. I've done like 30 runs in the last couple days hunting this trink 🥲

[slate crown]

Don't know what others suggested but this should be simple just using stack count on the trigger in a condition enable visibility on the glow

[raven egret]

Oh snap, Dratnos dropped the FUNNEL word with Singular Focus in the same sentence on steam yoooo

[slate crown]

Standard arrangement I do in a ton of auras

without issue

[marble hemlock]

we do not use the F word here

but yes, i immediately said on voice "why blizzard, why"

[soft shale]

i also instantly reacted

as if i was called by a superior power

[dry dagger]

It's what I've tried to do, but I must be doing something wrong

[oak tangle]

it could be that you are tracking the wrong buff

are you using ID or name

[dry dagger]

ID

I'm tracking the right buff

Getting the count up and everything

Just that I can't get it to glow only at 20 stacks

It's either always or never for some reason

[oak tangle]

what is your condition setup, show ss

[whole sand]

can't you just add a condition in relation to stacks

[slate crown]

Show your condition page.

[dry dagger]

If the fucking dummies let me leave combat I will

This is my trigger

[cobalt sphinx]

if hopeful wins MDI it's because of us

i don't even know what he was asking

i hope he's not spamming ct

[oak tangle]

try putting just that id in the exact spell id field, and just check if there is a "count" option in conditions instead of "stacks"

[uneven plume]

"Yes"

[cobalt sphinx]

he just asked "do you aoe or do you aoe"

[dry dagger]

These are the options I have

Trying Total Stacks now to see if it does anything

Oh wait

Now it doesn't glow when at 20

We're getting somewhere

[cobalt sphinx]

wait one group is wiping to 1st boss as the other group kills the 2nd boss

[dry dagger]

I just need to invert what I have now lol

[whole sand]

mandatory skips to first boss with a big pull

other team attempeted to do that and died

[slate crown]

idn this works for me

[oak tangle]

do you have the glow disabled in display

[dry dagger]

Nah figured it out

[oak tangle]

weird suggestion i know

[dry dagger]

I needed a second condition

[slate crown]

Shouldn't matter, the condition will override this setting

[flint star]

Does Feint and Evasion DR stack?

[slate crown]

Really should not need both of these

[dry dagger]

Super weird that I needed to be that explicit

[whole sand]

if you have the glow turned on in display it may be like inverting the option

[oak tangle]

that reads to me that it's glow on in display

[dry dagger]

Yeah ik, but it works now and didn't before

[whole sand]

i usually keep them off on display and use the condition to turn it on

[dry dagger]

Well when I didn't have glow on, it wasn't glowing at all

I'll test tho

[flint star]

Also, does haste affect KB tick rate?

[oak tangle]

no

[flint star]

What's KB tick rate then?

[dry dagger]

Ok it was the glow on in display that fucked me

[oak tangle]

2s

[dry dagger]

Thanks for the help guys!

[flint star]

Should I always Envenom before using KB?

[oak tangle]

ideally

[flint star]

First tick happens right after using it?

[oak tangle]

hit on use, 2s later tick etc

[fleet pagoda]

it does damage on application

[flint star]

Ok, tyvm

[oak tangle]

it's why there is a chunk of leeway with vanish / shiv, inside kb windows, because you just have to make sure those buffs are present for the relevant ticks

[flint star]

Yeah, I know it. If playing with 12 sec MA I try to use Vanish around 12 seconds left on KB.

[oak tangle]

after 12s

[warm vortex]

6 12s in a row without one being completed in time

[oak tangle]

if you go before you will miss the last tick

[flint star]

Oh, I see.

[oak tangle]

this les bros-canteurs?

[oak tangle]

yeah it means any time between 10-12 seconds left will not matter

[warm vortex]

Hmm?

[oak tangle]

MDI was doing 10 siege just now

[flint star]

Do you use CT on bosses when there are some short living adds? It snapshots bonus damage, right?

[oak tangle]

im gonna go ahead and assume no snapshot

[raven egret]

theres no bonus damage to snapshot

[warm vortex]

Idk it wasnt a 10 so idk X)

[flint star]

But if I use it on 2 targets and one target dies

[dawn heath]

wtf?

just happedn

i pumped?

lol

[flint star]

The other target still takes 20% bonus damage?

[coral ibex]

yes

it snapshots

[oak tangle]

really? like the only snapshot left in the game

[raven egret]

oh the CT itself

[flint star]

So it's good to use on like second boss in mists

[coral ibex]

any time you can hit at least 2t yes

[raven egret]

yeah no I thought it was a reference back to good ol' shadow dance from back then

[coral ibex]

even if they’re small shitters

[flint star]

There was giga snapshot Rupture for sub in DF

[dawn heath]

how the fuck did i do 1.8mil

on second oss

xD

wtf happend

[flint star]

WA was required though

[raven egret]

You played the class...?

[dawn heath]

i play the class every week

normally do 400k less

[flint star]

*with tier set bonus

Probably was an oversight on blizz end

[raven egret]

I believe all our MDI representation are not using IW are they, and they gonna get us nerfed at this rate XD

[high walrus]

I've never been able to touch the custom settings until just now, whenever I checked it before clicking the dropdown would just do absolutely nothing

[coral ibex]

oh didn’t you know only low io shitters take IW these days

[high walrus]

the clear the witness aura itself was just set to never load

[coral ibex]

you can gain 1.3% dps by swapping talents

[high walrus]

and I have no idea how or why

but I can see it now

[raven egret]

Whaaaa, a fulll 1.3%!!!!!

[coral ibex]

yea dude utility that helps you live is a dps loss

[raven egret]

100%, everyone knows Cloak and Evasion are DPS CDs

[dry dagger]

Like on Bloodbound

You can greed with Cloak while people are running away

[cobalt sphinx]

grats on aug

[glad osprey]

how do you guys deal with chain pulls?

[flint star]

So, anyone knows? Or am I just an idiot for using it together?

[glad osprey]

i know that theoretically our dps shouldnt go down very much when chain pulling but i find mine does substantially

[coral ibex]

vanish

[raven egret]

Find new primary target, bleed up, Spatter up, put some more Ruptures out for buff and keep CT up

[coral ibex]

or cope and manually apply bleeds

only options

[fleet pagoda]

usually envenom before kb, if you're killing trash mobs who won't live the duration then just press it before envenom's rolling

but it's going to be rare you don't have envenom up anyways

[raven egret]

Most times overdelaying Spatter and CT application is the main DPS drop

[coral ibex]

well the third option is crash out on your tank and quit the key

[glad osprey]

how many bleeds should i put

[coral ibex]

i don’t recommend that lol

[glad osprey]

like on how many adds

[dawn heath]

ye

[raven egret]

max 5, but like if the adds wont live long enough dont bother

[coral ibex]

max scent stacks always unless stuff is literally a few globals from death

[dawn heath]

wtf

i got a 99

i dont even know how to paly this class

[raven egret]

spread where you can, max scent stacks is important but again if target dies in 2s forget about it and just spatter it harder

[glad osprey]

probably your item level i wish i was 633 wtf

[glad osprey]

okay ty :)

spatter is op

[cobalt sphinx]

kill time is perfect too for a third deathmark in execute

[glad osprey]

i love it tho

[flint star]

I replyed to the wrong question, sorry.

I meant Feint and Evasion DR stack

[raven egret]

Just remember that you have to adapt to every pull, and decide on the spot what is worth bleeding or not. Big HP mobs you want to learn which live long enough to benefit from spreading bleeds if you are chaining

[fleet pagoda]

they will both contribute to DR when used together, yes

[glad osprey]

and also what bleeds should i apply? should i do both rupture and garrote or just one or the other

[flint star]

So it's just -40%

[fleet pagoda]

not exactly. it's more like damage(.8)(.8) assuming youre talking elusiveness/not aoe

[split cipher]

Rupture gives agi and does not have a cd, primary focus

[raven egret]

Yeah Rupture, Garotte has a CD so launch it out if again a target will live through the majority of it, but Rupture gives the sweet scent stacks

[glad osprey]

sweet ty :)

One last question, is it worth to use crimson tempest on a single target in m+?

[raven egret]

No, if pure ST an Envenom will benefit you more

and will hit harder

[glad osprey]

kk ty :D

[restive quartz]

What is the best embellishments for a crafted waistband?

[inland escarp]

Is the uh… feature still working where if you recraft dagger you can upgrade the other for free 👀

[glad osprey]

"feature"

[raven egret]

!crafting

!craft

damn it I forgot the command

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[restive quartz]

thx

[raven egret]

oh wait no it just lagged

[restive quartz]

XD

[dawn heath]

wtf

am i getting good on this class?

99 again

[raven egret]

Thanks for the play by play of every boss XD

grats thought

[dawn heath]

man im suprised

look at last weeks

[fleet pagoda]

learning

[trail flax]

I only started rogue sunday so just trying to understand it more just started to get into 12-14, only 622 but my dps could get better and that was a major thing i noticed i seemed to do wrong

[lethal arrow]

Wish my team did adds under boss

[dawn heath]

we didnt tho

[raven egret]

Wish my team was bad at killing adds

[lethal arrow]

Wish my team was also bad at killing adds

[dawn heath]

the only time i hit the adds was when i had it myself

and placed it in melee

which happend 3 times

[raven egret]

I wasn't talking in relation to whatever you did

just general wish

[lethal arrow]

Or you know

Make the adds out of the counted parse

Like they're supposed to be

[raven egret]

doesnt matter much, its just annoying how far Rash's center box is, limits the range of Spatter on the platform itself

still a fun fight

progging Ovi, we got it down to 26%, should go down next week

[hardy dagger]

Just gotta get last 2min before it dies

[raven egret]

EZ

We even get that finery buff update next week too, super EZ!

[fleet pagoda]

what is that put it at? 7.5?

[still sky]

Yup

[raven egret]

wasn't it something like 2.25% per 2w, that'll be the third

[cunning basin]

6.75

[fleet pagoda]

🫡

[raven egret]

just that the buff tooltip rounds up so keep that in mind

[still sky]

Oh is it only 2.25?

[raven egret]

yeah it is

so next week it should show 7% (actual 6.75%)

[lethal arrow]

mfw 10% of bros dmg went straight to the adds

[lethal arrow]

look into doing the skip strat on the last set of eggs

if ur dmg is high enough u can ignore a good amount of eggs

[hollow talon]

did you guys stay ass or swap to sub for mythic silken court

[lethal arrow]

ill let u know next week when my guilds on that fight

[raven egret]

theres no reason known why we'd have to swap at all

you do if you feel like it I suppose, they both are perfectly fine

[lethal arrow]

2 rupture targets

[hollow talon]

id rather stay ass so but just wanted to know which was more optimal

[lethal arrow]

the most optimal is your favorite spec

[raven egret]

^

truth in all things

[hollow talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/124169701881282560/1110305168328765440/6an3o7.gif?ex=672f1f04&is=672dcd84&hm=1a54396186d70d3b9f926ea29b3914d6b3c4b74dab5a3a97b5ad53e1c45082c5&

[lethal arrow]

dont force yourself to play a spec you hate for 200 pulls

[hollow talon]

shadowlands outlaw is my favourite spec

[lethal arrow]

take me back

ignoring all the other dogshit that SL came with

[raven egret]

Legion Sub rogue ktnx

[hollow talon]

https://tenor.com/view/pretender-pepesad-gif-22794297

bring me back to the good days

[lethal arrow]

thought i still think i prefer deathmark to vendetta

[rotund oak]

deathmark is more sophisticated than VT

[limber lion]

9.2 4p Vendetta 🔛 🔝

[rotund oak]

[raven egret]

I do be loving Deathmark. Though KB should be centered up the tree as well imo, we just dont work without both

[glass lagoon]

Guys, can you explain me, with a talent on 2 charges of invisibility I only have garrote available to press

[coral ibex]

not sure what you are asking

[rotund oak]

i think i got an aneurysm from reading that

(sry im joking)

[raven egret]

Context? do you mean your action bar only has garotte?

[cobalt sphinx]

is your stealth bar set up like that

[raven egret]

not sure what the 2 charges of vanish would have to do with that however

Ok I still dont understand the question

[coral ibex]

yea thats your stealth bar

has nothing to do with 2 charges tho

[raven egret]

What is the actual problem?

[cobalt sphinx]

you are considered to still be in stealth for 6 seconds after leaving stealth so you'll still have your stealth bar

you have to set up your stealth bar with your in-combat moves

[scarlet wyvern]

do we switch back from TTK/MA to SD?

[glass lagoon]

I exported another talent build; after applying garrote with it doesn't change to my main bar with all skills and all I can do is to press garrote

[brave comet]

how do i know when im supposed to start "pooling" energy?

[glass lagoon]

okay thanks

[raven egret]

From what? For what?

[brave comet]

at what point am i supposed to stop hitting keys?

[limber lion]

Stealth bar and normal bar have to basically be the same

[hazy prairie]

noob question - can you craft two of the same everforged stabbers and use both?

[scarlet wyvern]

Twist The Knife/Master Assassin into Sudden Demise

Talents

[raven egret]

Again, For what? M+? either way you can look up the builds in the guides

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[coral ibex]

pick whatever talents you want, they're all good, there is no meta

[rotund oak]

hitting what ?

[scarlet wyvern]

yes M+

[coral ibex]

"but casualaddict says"

there is no meta

[scarlet wyvern]

obv u never use aoe build for ST boss

[scarlet wyvern]

whos that

[brave comet]

there's points in which hekilli recommends to stop hitting keys for a few seconds to recharge energy, why is that?

at what point is enough energy charged

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/wizard-cat-cat-ai-cat-beer-mage-cat-gif-12868949205036685497

[brave comet]

like half?

[rotund oak]

Let me stretch my fingers a bit before i completely nuke u out of existence,gimme 30sec

[glass lagoon]

how to do that?

[coral ibex]

stop studying hekili like its smart

[dry dagger]

Afaik we don't pool energy

[coral ibex]

instead learn the rotation