I keep reading Mentally Ill lol
#assassination
thorn fjord
tawny geyser
What is currently considered better on Kyveza?
Fatebound/Deathstalker or just good old Subtlety?
winged sun
the ironwire build in wowhead is -5%
it plays SD instead of doomblade
i meean
sanguine blades*
lethal arrow
What is currently considered better on Kyveza?
Fatebound/Deathstalker or just g...
in the top 100 on mythic kyveza, its all 100% deathstalker
rain wraith
Tried both specs. Damage feels the same. Fatebound does a bit more burst tho
lavish geyser
are assas not rly popular anymore? have been in queue and just trying to host my key for a combined like 4 hrs and havent gotten to play once
ebon notch
if i cleave off of damage amped targets
does caustic spatter do bonus damage as well?
lethal arrow
are assas not rly popular anymore? have been in queue and just trying to host my...
whats ur ilvl
prob not a spec issue
lavish geyser
whats ur ilvl
623, but like I cant join a +8 when I have it on ++10 and ++11 and so on
subtle tundra
bro the guy who answered you first was minalba, you gonna listen to him??
lethal arrow
623s a bit low in pugs
inland escarp
You either have low ilvl or io
lethal arrow
if you join a group and check the pending dps, pugs rn float towards mid to high 620s
lavish geyser
idk im 2600 rn this is a new char, but still. I just ran my 11 cot cause my friend joined, got a healer who said he might not be able to heal through the 3rd boss, and we just wiped on repeat. so now im on a 10, that i have ++ on and I cant get a team
sudden sigil
am i copmplettly stupid since i cant find subterfuge in my talent tree
cobalt sphinx
i would've assumed you'd get plenty of applicants for any 10
lethal arrow
at this point in the season some ppl (myself) just queue for fast 10s
theyre just trynna fill vault
quasi stump
8 cot bricked
lavish geyser
yeah, I mean I can do fast vaults, I find no challenge in these keys not even 11s, I just literally cant get ppl to play with
lethal arrow
find a guild
golden wasp
whats the best spec now for m+ then?
inland escarp
I’m not queuing cot for my 10’s for sure
quasi stump
they did it before
lethal arrow
thats the #1 solution to that
quasi stump
whats the best spec now for m+ then?
playing FFXIV instead 
lavish geyser
I mean having to leave my guild and join another one is pretty isane just to run a 10 cot
coral ibex
yup
lethal arrow
I mean having to leave my guild and join another one is pretty isane just to run...
if you dont have any attachment to your guild, why not leave it for a guild that actually does content
coral ibex
glad i geared blm after pct
lavish geyser
im at the point where I cant get higher ilvl, cause I cant join 8s so I cant get crests
lavish geyser
if you dont have any attachment to your guild, why not leave it for a guild that...
we do raid
quasi stump
glad i geared blm after pct
you arent doing the omnicaster BIS?
quasi stump
i see 
inland escarp
im at the point where I cant get higher ilvl, cause I cant join 8s so I cant get...
NA or EU?
lethal arrow
we do raid
well thats your call
lethal arrow
if youre an integral member of the raid team and you like the guild, youre just gunna have to suffer in pugs
tawny geyser
in the top 100 on mythic kyveza, its all 100% deathstalker
I see, thanks for digging it for me. I thought it would be the same situation what we had in DF S3 with Smolderon, Sub was performing the best on that boss.
quasi stump
i pug a vast majority of my keys
lethal arrow
I see, thanks for digging it for me. I thought it would be the same situation wh...
oh thats just cuz of the adds
lethal arrow
and sub had insane burst windows
inland escarp
Hmm, idk. Even with that IO I’d think you’d at least get an instant invite for 8’s
quasi stump
i only did it on heroic on like
lethal arrow
which makes sense
lethal arrow
kyveza isnt quite the same, its p much the same boss the entire time in pure ST
tawny geyser
true, I might try fatebound because its a brain dead hero talent, that way I can focus a bit more on mechanics.
lavish geyser
yeah i mean it just seems kinda impossible to play right now. I jsut wanna play man XD
I need to join like a +6 to play
inland escarp
☹️
lethal arrow
technically DS is also braindead
lethal arrow
yeah i mean it just seems kinda impossible to play right now. I jsut wanna play ...
your other solution is crank ur item level
faint vessel
being behind the ilvl and io curve as a dps is rough
lavish geyser
your other solution is crank ur item level
.... that is what I cant do
lethal arrow
his io is fine
faint vessel
im surprised you couldnt get an 8 as at 2600/623 but that is rough
lethal arrow
its prob just the 623 ilvl
faint vessel
I mean its fine, Id invite him
cobalt sphinx
would you
faint vessel
but like you said, theres a ton of 630ish 2800 players qing for 8s
lethal arrow
like if he applied to my group i wouldnt look in his direction
faint vessel
for 8 if im just farming gilded? if he signed up quickly yeah
lavish geyser
I mean I did 10s before I was 610 ilvl, so its no problem
lethal arrow
623 is just too low
cobalt sphinx
if you get 50 applicants and they're all 625+, why would you ever take a 623
inland escarp
Ilvl is low for what pugs might invite to 10’s, but he should be getting instant invites to 8’s
lethal arrow
^
tawny geyser
Yeah for 8's that should be enough.
More than enough. I play my DH Alt as Tank and I invite anyone who is 620 ilvl for 8's and 10's
faint vessel
because they applied in the first few seconds and thats enough
I agree its behind though
lethal arrow
ive seen a lot of pugs bordering 630 even
cobalt sphinx
it really do be like that sometimes
lavish geyser
and it just feels soo mind numbing even having to play 10s
fresh kelp
That is unfortunately the way it goes
lethal arrow
mythic bosses drop gilded
tawny geyser
if you get 50 applicants and they're all 625+, why would you ever take a 623
tbh its kinda dead on 8/9 keys, I post my key very often as a tank alt and I'm not really getting many applicants.
Like 10 in 5 minutes.
lavish geyser
its just braindead gaming
inland escarp
Time to farm gold and buy carries 😂
faint vessel
another solution is to join one of the M+ discords like WME or casual friday
youll find an 8 in 4 hours
lethal arrow
i heard wme is kinda shady nowadays
lavish geyser
Time to farm gold and buy carries 😂
DUDE... XD
faint vessel
not guaranteeing youre spamming keys though
tawny geyser
but when I post my +15, oh boy...
I can scroll that Dungeon Finder for days.
faint vessel
or its even a great group
ebon prism
Is casual Friday active?
fresh kelp
We post a 10 looking for a pug dps and in the 1 minute it takes to refill my drink we have 5+ 630 2800-3k players app
faint vessel
I think its a lot quieter than DF S3 and S4
ebon prism
I'm in wme and sometimes it's kinda dead
faint vessel
but I mean, 4 hours for a key
tawny geyser
I think its a lot quieter than DF S3 and S4
100% quieter
faint vessel
throwing out options here
lavish geyser
well I might have done myself dirty I swapped between 2 chars having to get 2700 and 2600 on both of em
pugging
lethal arrow
We post a 10 looking for a pug dps and in the 1 minute it takes to refill my dri...
from my experience ppl care wayyy more about the ilvl than io
faint vessel
gotta cast a net if youre experiencing that bad of a wait
lethal arrow
i get into groups over 2.8-3k players because i have like 5 ilvl on them
lavish geyser
but yeah I run mythic, not alot just 4
fresh kelp
from my experience ppl care wayyy more about the ilvl than io
Depends on what type of group ur apping to, I don’t even look at ilvl really
lavish geyser
idk man im just going insane XD
like it just feels like a waste of time to log on, even though I rly wanna play
I just cant
lethal arrow
its that like slightly over mid way point in the season
lavish geyser
got SV ++11 and cant get into an 8...
lethal arrow
where ppl are burning out/raid logging
ebon prism
i get into groups over 2.8-3k players because i have like 5 ilvl on them
What io are u? I would never choose based on ilvl lol
lethal arrow
What io are u? I would never choose based on ilvl lol
like 2660 i only run 10s
ebon prism
Yeah I would never take u over 2800-3000
soft shale
i mean it happens i dont even have 2600 but i have 634 ilvl
lethal arrow
^
soft shale
idk about taking me over 3k people tho
lethal arrow
well 3k maybe not
ebon prism
Yeah that's cope
lethal arrow
but i def get in over 2800s
soft shale
rogue can be surprisingly useful in most dungeons
assa has silence and dr
sub has good boss dmg and speedshroud
ebon prism
I've never seen a sub rogue all season
ebon prism
I play other classes
lethal arrow
i dont even see outlaws
ebon prism
Frost dk, prot warrior, frost mage
lethal arrow
much less subs
ebon prism
Ive never seen a non-sin rogue
lavish geyser
just ran my 10 cot
soft shale
or more as you go higher
ebon prism
First boss?
severe meadow
I refuse to pug keys, it's so miserable lol
tawny geyser
I refuse to pug keys, it's so miserable lol
You just needa little bit of luck 🙂
severe meadow
You just needa little bit of luck 🙂
I just run with the guild
fresh kelp
and its bricked..
gotta be more selective
lavish geyser
gotta be more selective
selective....
visual sun
Can you cloak the sikran sweep? Or have to time it?
lavish geyser
I wasted 2 hrs trying to pug my 11 and this took me about 45 min to make
and I was being hella picky
ebon prism
Can you cloak the sikran sweep? Or have to time it?
Time last global
severe meadow
and I was being hella picky
Pug mentality, high IO / ilvl doesn't mean they won't randomly leave and brick
ebon prism
I wasted 2 hrs trying to pug my 11 and this took me about 45 min to make
It happens. I watched 4x 12NW brick yesterday on first pull. Tank triples into gatekeeper and instantly falls over... And we zone out
lethal arrow
yeah ppl are stupid at every ilvl and io
ebon prism
Too many fotm prot pally rerolls falling dead on pull
severe meadow
And personally I'd say crossing over the 2800io, peoples egos get a little more bloated
lavish geyser
It happens. I watched 4x 12NW brick yesterday on first pull. Tank triples into g...
the fact that you can play 4x keys in a day is insane. Like im not joking I have been playing for faaaaaaar waaay to long ( or just stading in dornogal tbh) and I have played 1 +9 key.
lavish geyser
idk im just quitting ig
lethal arrow
think hte most i can stomach in a day is 4 keys
severe meadow
623 ilvl isn't an instant invite ilvl tbf
ebon prism
Casual still doesn't use SBS right?
dawn heath
he does
severe meadow
Casual still doesn't use SBS right?
New build does
dawn heath
ebon prism
Ohhhh nice
dawn heath
i seem to be doing alilttle b it better on boss damage
lethal turtle
Yeah ive legit seen people get 625 on fresh toon inside a weekend now
ebon prism
Yeah ive legit seen people get 625 on fresh toon inside a weekend now
Yeah, especially grinding grim batol on 8s can get u so many gilded, then craft 4x 636 items
ebon prism
did ok overall
That's just ok? U beat the enh shaman and that's all that matters
severe meadow
Average shaman player 
lavish geyser
Yeah ive legit seen people get 625 on fresh toon inside a weekend now
idk how they do it XD. like how do they run 8s? i feel like im kinda going insane man LOL.
dawn heath
That's such a good rogue name
thanks but should be outlaw
ebon prism
Oh casual doesn't run subterfuge or MA? What does varas run?
dawn heath
nope neither of them
dawn heath
idk im doing higher overall with it
ebon prism
idk how they do it XD. like how do they run 8s? i feel like im kinda going insan...
Main io. My main is 2900 so my alts get in for free
ebon prism
Dawn is soooo lenient
lethal turtle
6 of those deaths are technically free. and dawn is pretty forgiving
most people have 14-15 mins going into back to back bosses
coral ibex
the timer in dawn is so free
lethal arrow
lmao
lavish geyser
Main io. My main is 2900 so my alts get in for free
I had an easier time getting into 8s being low ilvl then now..
ebon prism
I had an easier time getting into 8s being low ilvl then now..
Prob cuz avg ilvl keeps going up
dawn heath
i mean
dawn u are not battling against the timer
u are battling against not getting murdered by mobs
lavish geyser
Prob cuz avg ilvl keeps going up
there was like a 4 days differnce
dawn heath
and bosses
ebon prism
If you're not 630+ ilvl, then it won't be easy without higher io
ebon prism
You're always chasing to stay above the average
spice surge
u are battling against not getting murdered by mobs
Thats why its a sub angle 
ebon prism
If u fall below the average, you'll have a hard time
dawn heath
ye my only death was the circle
if u dont prefeint the first tick and phial
u will die
lethal arrow
if youre average you will also have a hard time
you pretty much have to be a no brainer pick
ebon prism
Yeah
lavish geyser
ig so
dawn heath
2nd boss is challenging to heal
severe meadow
Literally just find a group of chill people to run with or join a guild who activly runs m+
lethal arrow
someone needs to see your name and be like oh this guys (insert 634, 2800+ io) just take him
lethal arrow
Literally just find a group of chill people to run with or join a guild who acti...
yeah but bro raids with his guild and apparently they just dont really do m+
which is crazy if ur a mythic guild
warm vortex
I struggle getting into 12s at like
630 and 2.75
severe meadow
That doesnt even make sense to me lol
lavish geyser
I struggle getting into 12s at like
630 and 2.75
but that makes sense though
ebon prism
Any mythic guild not requiring 4-8x 10s a week is trolling
lavish geyser
they are, and ppl are doing em, but just not in guild
severe meadow
guild issue
ebon prism
Maybe they're doing them, but same groups every week
severe meadow
Running with the guild is the most smooth, fun experience
lavish geyser
might be time to move on
how do you move on? I dont know how to find other guild
and I dont have time to get a team
severe meadow
Search guilds recruiting, apply, join
vast patio
so what's the deal with sudden demise?
lethal arrow
how do you move on? I dont know how to find other guild
you ever apply for a job?
vast patio
Sometimes it feels like it will not trigger in delves and dungeons.
ebon prism
It's actually similar, espec for mythic raiding guilds
long fossil
Yo guys. Anybody with experience on Mythic Bloodbound Horror? Can't figure out if Caustic spatter hits the adds and if it's best to swap to the big add during the fight
lavish geyser
and DH parses
severe meadow
Yo guys. Anybody with experience on Mythic Bloodbound Horror? Can't figure out i...
Swap to add during
long fossil
alright, just the big one and rupture the casters? I feel like they die too fast, but guess i could just cleave off the big one
severe meadow
I just cleave off main
quasi stump
i think today im gonna try doing a bunch of keys on Sin without hekili
severe meadow
It all usually dies pretty quick
quasi stump
gonna practice on a dummy first tho
long fossil
I just cleave off main
alright beautiful, will try that for today's reclear. thanks a lot for the response!
severe meadow
alright beautiful, will try that for today's reclear. thanks a lot for the respo...
np, dropped you a follow, gl homie
long fossil
thanks a lot my man!
lethal arrow
bruh XD
yeah literally just start lookin through every avenue you can
raider io/this discords guild channel/wowprogress/etc etc
if you dont have ppl youre attached to in your guild, its prob wise to just find one if you feel like your current guild doesnt suit your desire to play the game
silk rain
hello guys, i have one quest,
in the picture, how can '1st logue' use the kingsbane every 50 seconds ?
only that guy uses kingsbane every 50 s.
lethal arrow
convergence of fates 
trail locust
Hacking???
quasi stump
hello guys, i have one quest,
in the picture, how can '1st logue' use the kings...
CDR
umbral sigil
is there any gear in BRD worth hunting for?
quasi stump
no
severe meadow
At the top end, no
cobalt sphinx
yeah make sure to build a kindlegem for ability haste
spice spire
hello guys, i have one quest,
in the picture, how can '1st logue' use the kings...
Log is bugged if you notice the GCD for the log is 0.8 flat
Compared to the normal 1s
quasi stump
hi mr quake
hollow elk
how is the range of caustic spatter calculated does it have anything to do with where my character stands no right
spice spire
Sorry it’s less than that
spice spire
how is the range of caustic spatter calculated does it have anything to do with ...
No it’s the center of the object you’re hitting
lethal arrow
how is the range of caustic spatter calculated does it have anything to do with ...
pretty sure its based on the mob ur hittings position
loud light
hello guys, i have one quest,
in the picture, how can '1st logue' use the kings...
when you see this, I tend to check the boss ability timers. here you can see sikran is doing all his abilities on a faster timeline than usual- so this log all the timestamps are accelerated so the dps numbers are inflated
spice spire
hi mr quake
Hello smattering of crows
silk rain
Log is bugged if you notice the GCD for the log is 0.8 flat
You guys are such geniuses.
silk rain
when you see this, I tend to check the boss ability timers. here you can see sik...
You guys are such geniuses.
spice spire
loud light
(warcraft logs really should be able to detect this stuff automatically to flag the log though)
quasi stump
Hello smattering of crows
imma try a bunch of keys without hekili today
im not feeling super confident but ill do my best
runic hinge
Log is bugged if you notice the GCD for the log is 0.8 flat
ADR on assa???
severe meadow
imma try a bunch of keys without hekili today
I've never tried using Hekili, is it reliable?
quasi stump
severe meadow
xd
haughty lantern
@spice spire got AotC last night 😄
quasi stump
people say it isnt but i use it with a bit of like
general knowledge
and it works well
i dont pop all my cds on mobs about to die in 4 seconds
lethal arrow
I've never tried using Hekili, is it reliable?
do not use hekili
severe meadow
i dont pop all my cds on mobs about to die in 4 seconds
Be funnier if you did
severe meadow
do not use hekili
I didn't plan to, I feel like it would tell me to do stuff that's already hardwired in my brain to do differently
quasi stump
funnier yes but im very sensitive about wasting other peoples time and patience
severe meadow
funnier yes but im very sensitive about wasting other peoples time and patience
Need more people like you 
icy acorn
any reason why im seeing a lot of parses for mythic silken court that send dm and wait ~14 seconds to send kb?
spice spire
<@226508540746006528> got AotC last night 😄
Twinsies king (I missed their kill last week)
spice spire
do not use hekili
It’s better than it used to be by leaps and bounds
cobalt sphinx
hekili is good if you are lazy or don't think you're getting any better at the game
spice spire
I am off of hating
Does it explain intricacies or provide understanding.
No:
but it helps perform while you develop that
It’s not a permanent solution
But it’s a helper and as long as that’s the reason you use it
It’s chill to me
cobalt sphinx
hekili can lift you out of the dumpster to "mediocre" tier and keep you there, it's a lot better than being clueless and worthless
lethal arrow
personally i hate relying on crutches
spice spire
(For us)
But now you can do well withbit only having never played
But growth comes from understanding as well
spice spire
personally i hate relying on crutches
Not everyone functions the same way
And it’s important to recognize in differences in gameplay level, and differences in growth in a class/spec as well
quasi stump
whispyr's feature length film on sin rogue did help
fallen arch
What is Hekkili
lethal arrow
its a rotation helper
fallen arch
Oh yikes
keen spruce
Pretty much
zinc vortex
!tea
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Depending on the patch and spec it can sometimes be fairly accurate
But you really just don’t learn anything by using it
ebon notch
@spice spire sry to ping you again can you check my previous question pls?
spice spire
Brother just link me to the question
ebon notch
does the amp affect the spatter damage?
quasi stump
No unless you have shiv on the target
ebon notch
like a burn phase
quasi stump
so like double shiv?
spice spire
Don’t think so but valid
spice spire
so like double shiv?
Arterial precision
Let me see if I can find this niche situation (it isn’t that niche)
spice spire
shield damage amp in stonevault
I’m not 100% but it doesn’t look like it - I’d actually have to dig on my pc
ebon notch
I’m not 100% but it doesn’t look like it - I’d actually have to dig on my pc
ok thank you
spice spire
ok thank you
So I can say with 90% certainty no, but I’ll actually look tn pls remind me if you’re still awake
Valid ass question having mf
ebon notch
:3
molten seal
keen spruce
I'm pretty sure that damage amps dont spatter
coral ibex
they dont
keen spruce
spatter always comes first in the calculation
just like me fr fr
idk if that emote is allowed
nvm
molten galleon
Seeing some ppl go supercharger and Forced Induction instead of Lethality, has it any benefits?
split willow
Any tips for managing big m+ pulls? I tend to micromanage ironwire to prevent kicks but it’s at the cost of bigger damag
spice spire
I'm pretty sure that damage amps dont spatter
I know our amps don’t
But I’m not sure about external amps (from boss themself)
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
quasi stump
where's the wowhead page where it explains what all our talents do
spice spire
Talents innit
blazing plaza
guys what m+ build do u use?
coral ibex
molten cosmos
Hello there, I've seen some logs of assa rogue running with around 10k haste in raid/ST. Is there a reason of that?
quasi stump
Hello there, I've seen some logs of assa rogue running with around 10k haste in ...
speedge
coral ibex
Hello there, I've seen some logs of assa rogue running with around 10k haste in ...
that happens to be the gear they have
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
- Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
molten cosmos
Hmmmm okok I'll sim again but that's weird
spice spire
Hmmmm okok I'll sim again but that's weird
Also worth noting that if they have Sikran neck
That’s almost 6k haste alone
It’s not as big of a deal as you think
molten cosmos
true
runic hinge
spice spire
I don’t gear for stats I just listen to robot 🫡
cobalt sphinx
tier helmet and gloves are another 1600
lethal arrow
Hello there, I've seen some logs of assa rogue running with around 10k haste in ...
skiran neck/rash cloak/ovinax ring
fickle light
how are you guys using your cds on silken court, it feels like you waste a lot popping after the charge
lethal arrow
think ppl are saving for damage amp
pure bridge
In Mythic I dont use it until after the charge (45s) in. I'm busy doing web lines anyways. In heroic and lower, full send.
clever sapphire
!wa
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lethal arrow
just send it
dark thorn
Hello o/ my guild and I are progressing on Mythic Ky'veza, u guys know what's the moment for Shadow Cloak ? Seems like everything is physical dmg 😦
balmy condor
you can cloak charges or the end of intermission depending on your guild
but it definitely is not all physical
spice spire
Charges also removes the qb effect afterward on mythic still?
spice spire
Hot
warm steppe
is the best funnel still doing aoe in m+ build cause of singular focus? or do you just want to keep up 5 ruptures/tempest and envenom spam
balmy condor
yes
cobalt sphinx
celeb sighting
tawny geyser
So I bought Tempered Potion R3 and I have it macroed with Deathmark of course, but before R3 I had the R2 Potions, now that I have R3 potion it's not casting it anymore. I tried removing the R2 from my bags, but still won't work.
quasi stump
<@234748412006891520> all of the purple bars are shadow damage
1.24 BILLION DAMAGE
tawny geyser
Anyone know whats up with that?
balmy condor
what's the macro
tawny geyser
#showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Deathmark
/use Tempered Potion
/use Skardyn's Grace
balmy condor
hm
balmy condor
and you're sure it's not eating a different rank first?
subtle tundra
maybe you have cauldron potion
tawny geyser
It cant eat it because I dont have it in the bags.
subtle tundra
cauldron potion is a diff name
tawny geyser
Ok I'll try that
warm steppe
moneys tight gotta be saving that
scarlet meadow
any good place to get logs reviewed?
haughty lantern
try the druid discord, i hear they're a fan of logs
thin oriole
fatebound is better for raids?
subtle tundra
fuck the dps swing
tawny geyser
can just use the spellid, /use item:212265
This helped a lot! It works. Thank you ❤️
thin oriole
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@subtle tundra do defensive become “scripted” as you hit 12-14? Like you need those defensive at this time etc.
midnight mist
defensives become scripted when you play with a team and always do the same thing
but you still need to know how much you need to use
for every hit
basically
in pugs i mean
west crown
Yeah I’m thinking about pushing to 12s and was just curious
solid palm
Hi, for M+, is there a big difference between 2x Dawnthread and Ascension and the ascension improving embelishment?
keen spruce
no
subtle tundra
defensives become scripted when you play with a team and always do the same thin...
i dont really
cause its dynamic
you know
sometimes you get targeted, sometimes you dont
its pure vibes
i call on voice
i know feint is not enough and dont have anything else? sac/pain sup
rescue
midnight mist
well ok but
you know that on this pack you need this defensive ready
i think the only dungeon that is really challenging defensive wise is dawn tho
subtle tundra
yea
midnight mist
everything else is kinda whatever, just press
midnight mist
ye
grim tree
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subtle tundra
sac/spellward
brittle lynx
In a M+ environment, on a head piece, would you rather have 789 leech or a socket?
subtle tundra
goated
midnight mist
grippyuwu
keen spruce
In a M+ environment, on a head piece, would you rather have 789 leech or a socke...
socket
midnight mist
In a M+ environment, on a head piece, would you rather have 789 leech or a socke...
dont @ me but leech is useless 
keen spruce
leech doesn't rly do anything
spice surge
always cool when they are meta
Ye theyre always utilitygodx casting heals, sacs n freedom
thorny crown
Anyone know how to setup a WA for displaying the icon and timing on how long fient and evasion is up? Want it in the middle of the screen but absolutly suck as WAs...
patent elk
and dmg
spice surge
But then they die to tank busters 
solid palm
The talents in that !fuu spreadsheet are different that the recommended in wowhead? for M+
thin oriole
!macro
silk bane
The talents in that !fuu spreadsheet are different that the recommended in wowhe...
they might be different for assassination yes. go for wowhead for now
cosmic creek
for keys do we do double radiant power or double depths?
leaden garden
is there any viable asa rogue m+ specc with double vanish? These chain pulling tanks..
leaden garden
what do i sacrifice for it?
runic hinge
Super charger stuff
spice spire
for keys do we do double radiant power or double depths?
Radiant power
leaden garden
seems kinda hard to get to double vanish, but pls prove me wrong
iron valve
keen spruce
seems kinda hard to get to double vanish, but pls prove me wrong
drop poins in lethality
thorny crown
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Radiant power
thank you!
twilit sorrel
!tea
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Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
lusty kraken
Silly question, when you have the Darkest Night buff, do you "force" yourself to proc it? Aka when you got 6 combo points, do you mutilate to get to 7?
lusty kraken
I assume you don't use FoK for the lower energy cost right
unless you have the Clear the Witness buff
quartz spear
I asked the same question earlier today. Sounded like >= 2 targets, use FoK, otherwise Mut
lusty kraken
damn that's rough
quartz spear
Depending on energy levels and garrote uptime, might be ok to pool for pandemic window also
lusty kraken
when I break the envenom chain I usually pool until 150 energy to start it again
I hope that's correct
west crown
We don’t pool during DN
prisma crescent
Been awhile since I checked but Whispyr has double vanish as the standard M+ build now?
tawny geyser
If we're aiming to just parse high on Ulgrax, do we just go ST, without Spatter?
thorny crown
Kinda depends on the level i think, M, HC?
floral shoal
Is it possible to extand a Blackrock Debts id to kill only the end boss? Guess not since you have to use the browser to get in?
quartz spear
Kinda depends on the level i think, M, HC?
Let's say M
prisma crescent
Let's say M
Keep splatter
thorny crown
ye for M splatter is better i think, Hc i usally go without for my high logs atleast
quartz spear
Do you guys even bother with Garrote in that phase?
proper seal
Does dungeon slice sims work for rogues?
grand ridge
does caustic spatter aoe get buffed by execute range
keen spruce
yeah
keen spruce
Does dungeon slice sims work for rogues?
yeah it's what we use
for aoe
well for m+ sims
grand ridge
like broodtwister is spatter going to do 30% more to the wormies if broodtwister is under 35
fading sonnet
why is my deathmark and Skardyn's grace coming off CD at slightly different times when they're both 2 min cds?
and used at the same time with a macro
lethal arrow
are you perhaps doing it this week in m+?
pure moth
If we're aiming to just parse high on Ulgrax, do we just go ST, without Spatter?
I can't parse well on that one for the life of me. Don't like it
thorny crown
in sub 12 keys affix fux the timing
tawny geyser
I can't parse well on that one for the life of me. Don't like it
Same, stuck on 93.
lethal arrow
I can't parse well on that one for the life of me. Don't like it
thats probably because your guild isnt grouping the adds and letting you ramp bleeds to parse on them
tawny geyser
Can't seem to push it higher than that, I have no idea what's wrong.
pure moth
Same, stuck on 93.
Ahead of me lol
lethal arrow
my parse is stuck on that fight since we have like 2 fury warriors who just blast the adds instantly
tawny geyser
I haven't tried with Internal BLeeding yet, so I am wondering if it would be any better.
thin oriole
are people using deathmark for adds at Ulgrax?
tawny geyser
are people using deathmark for adds at Ulgrax?
Hardly doubt so
tardy latch
guys anyone knows what +1cp means
quartz spear
my parse is stuck on that fight since we have like 2 fury warriors who just bla...
That's kind of the problem yea
pure moth
Sure we have people on them. But u should still be able to get a people parse even if not
quartz spear
If your comp is too good at cleave you kinda get screwed out
lethal arrow
like my parse on ovinax looks like shit
tawny geyser
Yeah our adds die in 5-7 seconds.
balmy condor
guys anyone knows what +1cp means
bone spike
lethal arrow
cuz we kill the adds instantly between 2 warriors and a DK
thorny crown
are people using deathmark for adds at Ulgrax?
Casual was on reclear yesterday
thin oriole
popped deathmark on big add last time and it got killed instantly xD
tardy latch
bone spike
ty and what about when it says +4 cp
balmy condor
means you got more bone spikes out
hardy dagger
Dm on ulgrax adds
lethal arrow
balmy condor
yeah that's fucking insane
balmy condor
like obviously if you can, you should
adds live
then do it
but there is no shot that it lives in most groups tbh
lethal arrow
guess if the rest of your raid is poopoo
lethal arrow
TRU
maybe if we kill kyveza tonite
had a couple 20% pulls last night with a scuffed comp, could die tonight
royal lantern
daily prayer that blizz nukes fatebound
royal lantern
quasi stump
daily prayer that blizz nukes fatebound
fatebound is fun on outlaw you go so fast 
ebon notch
guys i sent deathmark in intermission of ulgrax and got gkicked can someone help me fill out new guild app pls
lethal arrow
guys i sent deathmark in intermission of ulgrax and got gkicked can someone help...
try applying to the guy whos the rank 3 parses guild
inland escarp
guys i sent deathmark in intermission of ulgrax and got gkicked can someone help...
Just send your phat logs
lethal arrow
seems like theyll let you get away with it
faint vessel
FoK at 3, CT @ 2, or is it FoK & CT @ 2 now?
faint vessel
thanks Whispyr
it was 2 & 3 for DS until recently?
curious if I had that wrong for a bit now or if it changed
balmy condor
no, hasn't changed since the start of the expac
balmy condor
np
ebon notch
Just send your phat logs
dont check rogue logs
winged sun
guys i sent deathmark in intermission of ulgrax and got gkicked can someone help...
nob
royal lantern
dont shoot me
winged sun
quasi stump
reading my talents is very educational
winged sun
spice spire
guys i sent deathmark in intermission of ulgrax and got gkicked can someone help...
Yeah I think I can find a 7/8N guild for you bud
quasi stump
Yeah I think I can find a 7/8N guild for you bud
visual marsh
Yeah I think I can find a 7/8N guild for you bud
lul wat XD
winged sun
quasi stump
winged sun
People wont know im zeross with my new name
slate crown
clipped
winged sun
spice spire
People wont know im zeross with my new name
The Tom and Jerry banner gives it away
balmy condor
People wont know im zeross with my new name
to be fair, I knew it was you just from this
clever sapphire
guys can we do anything when mists is bugged and door is not opening
any1 known solution?
round fjord
Hey, recently reroled to assa from outlaw... tried all simc option patchwork 1tgt 5tgt, dslice.
All option ara-kara 639 comes ahead for seconds trinket, is it simbait or ok.
Got crystal and spyglass 626 also.
winged sun
to be fair, I knew it was you just from this
round fjord
for m+ i mean..
cuz everyone i saw goes with crystal or raid one
balmy condor
it's one of the best
jade abyss
is there a way that nameplates dont jump arround on plater..?
lavish geyser
is transmitter good for assa?
winged sun
But idk how u can prevent jump arounds
round fjord
most of top assa player for m+ use
but ara-kara goes ahead in all sims, for me atleast.. 639 ofc
spice spire
guys can we do anything when mists is bugged and door is not opening
The bug usually lands on being in combat, was the affix out?
round fjord
maybe if i get crystal myth
lavish geyser
I have the empowered thing
spice spire
Before it was spooky ghosts
lavish geyser
BUt I dont have skardyns
and ill never get it XD. getting it on vault would be insane though
round fjord
skardyns must have xD
lavish geyser
yeah
round fjord
i got on vault for my enh 639
and them on rogue on 1st run this week lol
round fjord
but did like 100 already
lavish geyser
wth
lavish geyser
Just loot it from the vault
mb why didnt I think of that before XD
winged sun
The higher ur rio the lower ur luck
nimble vector
but ara-kara goes ahead in all sims, for me atleast.. 639 ofc
probably ilvl diff, crystal at 639 would probably win but 639 ara kara > 626 crystal
clever sapphire
The bug usually lands on being in combat, was the affix out?
we cleared a room, opened door, there was nothing in the next room, we couldnt go past another door
ebon notch
Yeah I think I can find a 7/8N guild for you bud
wth
round fjord
probably ilvl diff, crystal at 639 would probably win but 639 ara kara > 626 cry...
yeah prob this.. tysm
spice spire
we cleared a room, opened door, there was nothing in the next room, we couldnt g...
Did you guys already pull from the room or did trash not spawn?
clever sapphire
nothing ever spawned
spice spire
Might be bricked haven’t seen that one in a while
clever sapphire
it was also a weird af path
spice spire
Like s1 of sl weird
runic hinge
Start slow. Try some lfr. Don’t push yourself
spice spire
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Hey king
robust delta
it was also a weird af path
had the exact same thing happen to me today as well
static glacier
yo, my cds at 5:50ish on mythic court are fucked
we have to get off anubarash mid-dmg window
what's the play?
do i hold for next dmg amp on takazj?
cerulean nest
you can milk it for a bit and step over to the other one
static glacier
this is with the assumption of lust at last dmg amp phase
that's what I did, but losing like 6-7 dm globals is horrible
didn't even get 2nd shiv off
cerulean nest
the last 8 seconds of KB is the most important so just start it early
realistically
may not be perfectly optimal but its sorta the best you can do on prog
static glacier
the last 8 seconds of KB is the most important so just start it early
actually disagree, most important time to have uptime for kb is the start
the end does more dmg but start is when you ramp it + ramp is worth more
nimble vector
yo, my cds at 5:50ish on mythic court are fucked
this is after the charge in p3? If you're red side you just lose uptime, there's not really a way around it if you're playing it properly
nimble vector
greeding damage can bait the frontal on you and wipe your group
static glacier
this is after the charge in p3? If you're red side you just lose uptime, there's...
ye
nimble vector
also damage doesn't matter on that fight just do the mechanics and boss die
static glacier
also damage doesn't matter on that fight just do the mechanics and boss die
yeah, just wanted to check i wasn't being an idiot and sending at the wrong time
cerulean nest
our CD just isnt great for how short the burst window is, gotta be creative and accept you arent getting full value
static glacier
we hold on 1st intermission anyway / red team ain't the play if logs are the aim
nimble vector
this is how far off the boss I was when that frontal goes out during the damage amp 
static glacier
xd
nimble vector
if you're greedy you can step back to boss for a couple of globals before you have to leave but I wouldn't recommend that
fleet crest
So as an alt with 6 sparks, does:
belt
bracer
boot
dagger
dagger
ring
sound like a good option?
cerulean nest
if you're greedy you can step back to boss for a couple of globals before you ha...
the real answer is be in blue group lol
otherwise tough luck
nimble vector
So as an alt with 6 sparks, does:
belt
bracer
boot
dagger
dagger
ring
sound li...
it's a better use of mythic crests to upgrade myth track gear if possible, I just craft mythic dagger + free hc crest on wrist for ascension + patch on every guy and hold mythic crests for myth track items after that
dawn heath
so
runic hinge
Second dagger probably unnecessary
nimble vector
also yeah don't craft offhand
wide sleet
!up
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dawn heath
can authority of radiant power ninja pull mobs that are not in combat? i was accused of ninja pulling a pack with my enchant
dragon saying i pulled this pack
humble verge
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aN4yiD3fLdhMtsiwvovZR2 is it even worth it at this point min-maxing by crafting dagger and recraft belt to get better ascension out of it? i only raid 2 times a week and rest of the time is m+
fleet crest
it's a better use of mythic crests to upgrade myth track gear if possible, I jus...
yeah im only crafting 619s for now
dawn heath
which i highly doubt since i can restealth after the dragon dies
if i puilled surely then i would not be able to restealth
vestal crater
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fervent tartan
Can someone explain to me why Sudden Demise loses value at higher keys levels? Why people opt to take TTK/MA and dropping it
humble verge
packs last longer at higher hp in fortify
thats my take
also, you should just sim and see
spice surge
Mobs arent dying before your improved garrotes and deathmark runs out
fervent tartan
So it happens more often at a faster rate at lower key levels cause theyre dying so fast?
humble verge
pretty much
atleast under 7
wait no, whens foritfy again
or actually yeah, tbh 7 and under
real onyx
hey guys, evenom gets aoe'd with splatter right?
nimble vector
yeah im only crafting 619s for now
same answer, would probably just do dagger + wrist / belt for ascension + patch and then hold crests for upgrading gear after that
real onyx
strugglign with all the 'posion, nature' stuff
fervent tartan
ty that makes sense, trying to figure out why myself hurt my head always nice to be able to ask
mint urchin
TTK also is more st boss dam which is good 10+
humble verge
^^
spice surge
strugglign with all the 'posion, nature' stuff
Poison and nature damage are the same thing most of the time
humble verge
new build made me actually improve like
fervent tartan
TTK also is more st boss dam which is good 10+
Yeah that's why im valuing getting it approachign the 13 range
humble verge
+200k on st in m+
spice surge
Except when it specifically says "weapon poisons"
real onyx
Poison and nature damage are the same thing most of the time
thats whats confusing me
humble verge
poison is nature damage
real onyx
so envenom spreads through that splatter perk right?
humble verge
but not all nature damage is poison
formal cliff
Am i cooked or is without a trace being recomended fr on wowhead m+ guide?
spice surge
Yes
mint urchin
TTK isn't even -that- bad for AOE as it works with spatter
humble verge
yes
mint urchin
So you arent losing much imo
humble verge
Am i cooked or is without a trace being recomended fr on wowhead m+ guide?
not seen the builds recently
oh well it actually is
i feel like i should swap to without a trace
these fucking tanks keep on chainpulling <3
drives me insane on 12 keys
balmy condor
so they're playing objectively correct
humble verge
i dont wanna hear this whispyr...
humble verge
but also quick question for ya, is it even worth it at this point to min-max and craft dagger and recraft my belt
i havent even opened my vault yet
struggling to understand why i should spend the gold tbh
balmy condor
no shot you're simming ulgrax right
balmy condor
someone recommended me to sim ***9 whole minutes***
incredible
balmy condor
is this person an m+ player
rose dirge
finally i have it
humble verge
raider
balmy condor
for shame
merry bison
😮💨
subtle tundra
pog
merry bison
he grown up
merry bison
word !
dawn heath
rose dirge
yeah same its a little disgostin
dawn heath
surely next vault i get the other trinket in myth track
rose dirge
i would never use transmitter on my life
still thorn
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/d87n4VYcqXZJ6rNdfEF8UQ
are the simulation craft sims updated cuz this guy sims higher than the site?
nova kelp
humble verge
aj
humble verge
im yet to have myth track trinket
visual marsh
same
merry bison
whats yalls opinion on playin w Forced Induction
humble verge
but the other pieces was shite : (
tardy whale
what are the embellishments for assa?
humble verge
2x dawnthread
dawn heath
whats yalls opinion on playin w Forced Induction
i play it in the keys i dont play iron wire
humble verge
or armor banding + ascension on dagger
dawn heath
so everything except GB/NW/SV
tardy whale
i checked with raider io and the top 4 rogues have ascension on weapon + dawn on belt
dawn heath
cause they are raiders
merry bison
mhm
merry bison
i play it in the keys i dont play iron wire
how does st feel w that build
dawn heath
they are giving less stats than they gave in DF
humble verge
unlucky
mint urchin
Well they also don't scale with ilvl now
dawn heath
how does st feel w that build
slightly better st
mint urchin
Like they did in DF
dawn heath
maybe 50k more
merry bison
that feels noice
mint urchin
Like max ilvl BSL was giving like 1600 mastery, the crit one is just 800?
dawn heath
756
embelishment is like 1% of your dmg
is 1.4 high? or are there any 1.5mil simmers out there?
this is the raid build ofc
round fjord
idk let me check mine st
subtle tundra
is 1.4 high? or are there any 1.5mil simmers out there?
prob are
i have "bad" gear and i sim 1.45
silk imp
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dawn heath
i simmed kush character sadly he was in m+ build so i had to put the same build as he did
then i simmed 21k lower
so probably (30k) in raid build
round fjord
and radiant power
dawn heath
rad power
round fjord
yup
cyan dew
Guys on Kyveza on the second twilight (the one that goes through boss) is there any spot we can stay and keep hitting her or we always have to leave?
dawn heath
if u look at like m+ runs
round fjord
i think 80 is realistic
dawn heath
your uptime is like 90%+
humble verge
hmm
im simming more ST for raid though
just tryna find out if imma make dagger or wrists now 3:
dawn heath
we didnt get to play really far but
in heroic raids you are probably around 85-90% up time
humble verge
at this point its just min-maxing anyways
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aN4yiD3fLdhMtsiwvovZR2
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1hZ3q8Vrgd4osjQq2Qbmve
dawn heath
in mythic then slightly lower
dawn heath
see what
round fjord
idk why my auras dont show dawntread at details
humble verge
the dawnthread details
dawn heath
buff uptime
visual marsh
so what shit is ppl giving ppl 1.4m + dps
dawn heath
mouseover
nimble vector
Guys on Kyveza on the second twilight (the one that goes through boss) is there...
You can normally stand at the edge of the inner hexagon thing and hit the boss if you are near tank
but that depends on tank positioning
round fjord
yeah 89% ara-kara 12 last run
dawn heath
ye in keys its closer to 90%
humble verge
hmmm
humble verge
well
trail locust
Fr
cedar hare
I sim 1.425 with 60% uptime in ST
dawn heath
I sim 1.425 with 60% uptime in ST
must be like 635
cedar hare
632
dawn heath
maybe its the weapon enchants
nimble vector
Guys on Kyveza on the second twilight (the one that goes through boss) is there...
still in range of boss here and you won't get hit by phantoms (assuming your group puts everything in the right place and the boss is in the right place 
)
humble verge
i do have the option to just grab dagger from my vault
but then i end up losing the chance at a myth track chest
round fjord
Any place i would use this trinket instead of mine 2, or is a socket angle for vault
Using this 2
humble verge
bloodmallet seems to consider it better when you 5 target check it
round fjord
but both 626, ara-kara myth
humble verge
spyglass that is
round fjord
Cool, 1st socket fo the season lul
humble verge
now post it
cedar hare
Whats ur mog?
round fjord
POST IT NOW
humble verge
for us to see how bad it is
dawn heath
late tusk
Im seeing wowhead and its looks like Crit > Mastery
humble verge
ok dawg
dawn heath
late tusk
But it have changed ? it was Mastery > Crit on the lasat patchj
humble verge
no slutmog appreciation here
cedar hare
So slut mog
dawn heath
it is pretty roguey
cedar hare
But it have changed ? it was Mastery > Crit on the lasat patchj
Its crit > mastery yes. And as much as u can get
humble verge
this is my idk-what-the-hell-my-mog-is mog, ignore the boots
quasi stump
had a really bad 7 cot and it got depleted to a 6
humble verge
goated
visual marsh
goes pretty hard
late tusk
Its crit > mastery yes. And as much as u can get
But people is running Deadly Onyx as gem
visual marsh
this is my idk-what-the-hell-my-mog-is mog, ignore the boots
ive always disliked that tabard
humble verge
ive always disliked that tabard
i have no other tabard to pair with
late tusk
Its crit > mastery yes. And as much as u can get
Should i move into Crit rubyes?