assassination

[winged widget]

People see those bjg ass green effect lines and cant avoid craving it

[normal mist]

Tbf having a special effect is better than not having it

[winged widget]

It is. But people tend to overrate it way too much

[normal mist]

It also is a crest saver, just like the neck

[winged widget]

That is the biggest advantage of it

[normal mist]

I paid 80k for the HC neck so I could upgrade my crit mastery one to 626 for free

[kindred hinge]

Got targeted 4 out 5 time by NW first boss belch. 4 in a row. how unlucky is that

[winged widget]

The neck actually gives more stats

[covert lichen]

Surely neck is more valueable?

[winged widget]

So its value is real

[normal mist]

Yeah neck is good

Also good % uptime

[winged widget]

50%+ is crazy good

[normal mist]

I use it for ST

[quasi stump]

Hi sin rogues

[acoustic sentinel]

why does the Ovi'nax's Mercurial Egg sim so good? It pretty much shows that Ovi'nax's Mercurial Egg 626 is just as good as Dead-Eye Spyglass 639? Is it really that good?

[spice surge]

Number high

[nova aspen]

why is the sky blue

why do the leaves fall

why does the doc grip

[drowsy lotus]

Do you shiv before first kings name or right before dot ends?

[chilly mist]

you always shiv on the last 8 sec no matter what

if you run double shiv you'll cast it before kingsbane

[drowsy lotus]

How come? Back in BFA it was before what changed

DF* Jesus I’m wrong a few expacs

[chilly mist]

I didnt play back then, but your kingsbane is dealing more damage when stacked

so the last 8sec-shiv is the more valuable cast

[drowsy lotus]

Thanks appreciate it!

[spice spire]

Why does the who what

[jaunty lotus]

How do you guys deal with the spider adds on first boss of Ara Kara? Feels like I have no burst aoe for them at all. Should I be multidotting them or just dot one and let CS do the work?

[spice surge]

Slow them and put up a rupture or two and hope your team kills them

[split cipher]

I save vanish for a set when group cds are low but mostly spatter dam normally

[quasi stump]

Pray

[jaunty lotus]

I had a group with an undergeared boomkin and a warrior who died on the web swirlie, so I had to get them down

Having vanish makes one set go quick

[heavy canopy]

I usually rupture a few of them for energy, but other than that just splatter off one of them

[chilly mist]

Depends, if your tank plays it alongside them then probably just rupture with bone spike, crimson tempest and stay on boss

[nova aspen]

dr disrespect

and the grip meme

[drowsy lotus]

I find myself running out of energy in single target and getting clunky phases in between cooldowns, am I doing something wrong

[spice spire]

Oh

[fallow canopy]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[hollow saddle]

how much single target dps does a assa rogue in a 5min frame? im struggling to keep 1,1m dps in a 5 min window with 628 gear lmao

which seems very, very low to be honest. with the single target spec of course

[coral ibex]

you should approach your 5m patchwerk sim

[quasi stump]

Honestly I hate the fact we run out of energy in ST as a balancing thing

It doesnt feel good

[hollow saddle]

i didnt sim yet, i was just curious what kind of numbers assa can put out

[coral ibex]

that’s the specs identity for 15 years

[hollow saddle]

because it feels like i dont do much ST as other chars but assa is pretty good so im obviously doing something horrible wrong

[solar wyvern]

Uptime was the biggest learning curve for me, you never want to drop envenom and you want to stay on boss as much as possible for poison applications

[iron valve]

why have an energy bar if it's infinite? I like pooling and spending

[solar wyvern]

My dps went up a ton once i figured that out

[heavy canopy]

If only tea didn't auto-proc 😦 My biggest issue with pooling is that 100 energy is actually my cap, cause anything below, there's a chance tea will proc when I don't want it to.

[solar wyvern]

Well 91 energy but yeah, playing perfectly feels lame pooling to 91 energy to press mutilate but thats not too frequent since we have so much energy gain from ttk.

In m+ is is super boring sometimes tho that's for sure

Like first boss stonevault

Zzzz

[heavy canopy]

I am mostly feeling it in M+, not so much in ST anymore

[orchid pewter]

Idk why they didnt just make it a choice node

[solar wyvern]

Cause casuals definitely prefer this, and its less work for them so its w.e

[willow falcon]

gotta love all those meanigful gearing choices that we have to make

[orchid pewter]

Feels like shit tho

[solar wyvern]

Its like such a minor gripe compared to other problems

[orchid pewter]

Honestly the most annoying for me rn

[rotund oak]

Yo man @balmy condor sry for the tag but wanted a clarification on corrupt the blood.Looks simple but does it make rupture completely plague dmg or adds a plague component and does it benefit from our mastery/vers?

[orchid pewter]

Regarding gameplay

[gentle forge]

Is Assa best spec for M+?

[solar wyvern]

Im more annoyed by DS marks disappearing because something didn't die but instead went untargetable

Like ansurek and the dragon boss in gb

[rotund oak]

between the 3 rogue specs most liely currently yeah it is.Sub does more ST dmg,sin has more ''aoe''

[solar wyvern]

Play around it is fine, but annoying af

[orchid pewter]

True, i got used to that by now xd

[fierce dome]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[quasi stump]

Stonevault as a whole is a terrible dungeon

[rose dirge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/e1jfyZpWtMTU7yNnXGhumb

for the first time this expac they want me to have crit gems

btw anyone know if the new timewalking dungs are scaling bugged, as in they will nerf? or is it intentionally this easy

[cursive adder]

Does Evasion works on hits from Snipers in Boralus?

[oak tangle]

should od

have to face them though

[hollow saddle]

thank you

[static glacier]

im not so sure about that tbh

as recently as s2 df we were quite global locked

with no gain for pooling

[coral ibex]

that was a departure

[static glacier]

s1 was quite energy packed too

and before df I played s2 sl and frost set sin had a lot of energy from dashing scoundrel leggo too

they seem to keep juicing us with a lot of energy in recent memory

[coral ibex]

spec identity goes back more than one or two expansions

[autumn gyro]

Hey, out of curiosity I tend to try using something like hekili when learning a new spec just to get the gist of things but with assa i noticed that it recommends often using fan of knives when vs 1 mob and crimson tempest vs 2 or less but a video i watched recommended crimson only on 3+ is hekili just wrong atm - and before you say don't rely on rotation add-ons like i said its usually just to burn into muscle memory where abilities are

[static glacier]

ngl if we're talking OLD sin

like MoP

we had plenty of globals then too

[coral ibex]

i said 15 years for a reason

[static glacier]

dispatch was some insanely cheap spell

[oak tangle]

ok boomer XD

[limber lion]

CT on 2+, FoK in ST only with Clear the Witness procs

[static glacier]

outside of like pre-mop (which idk shit about) I don't remember sin being slower than pre .5

or s3 df

[coral ibex]

my main rogue is the same character i raided heroic ICC on in 2010

[oak tangle]

i began in BFA

[uncut walrus]

I have two 636 daggers on my alt

Sim telling me to go crystal since dagger is actually easy to get on Mythic

[static glacier]

xd

[viscid spear]

Topped dps on Heroic Blood Horror last night after getting Queen ring in Vault.

[uncut walrus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uiMp6pGUYPc9VVyPiunZks

[uncut walrus]

why exdee

[coral ibex]

why do you have 2x 636 daggers

[static glacier]

^

the 2nd dagger crraft was a blunder

[autumn gyro]

Yeah it must be not updated I think cos i'm sure it recommends CT on a boss fight yesterday

[static glacier]

offhand ilvl for rogue sucks dick

[uncut walrus]

Ah ik its troll i just wanted to blast keys fast

[static glacier]

we're not enh or rany of these specs that actually get value out of OH ilvl / wep dps

[uncut walrus]

hes like 626 in 4 days

ik its a waste of crest

[coral ibex]

you would have blasted faster with crafting not an oh

[uncut walrus]

Oh

[rotund oak]

Oh matters too little

[uncut walrus]

im a caster

[rotund oak]

also crystal is big

[static glacier]

caster OH is insane ngl, the amount of mainstat you guys have on it

is silly

[rotund oak]

not for rogues

[static glacier]

caster brrotherr

[rotund oak]

but ye casters sure

ive crafted the staff on my mage so idk

[static glacier]

either way you can safely set OL lootspec @uncut walrus unless ur never playing it

2nd boss dagger is a matterr of time

[uncut walrus]

So you'd say crystal

[coral ibex]

in any case rip ur crests

[uncut walrus]

Why OL?

[coral ibex]

yes

[rotund oak]

100% crystal

[coral ibex]

don’t want daggers in the vault

[frigid sonnet]

So stat for assa is crit versa right?

[coral ibex]

no

[viscid spear]

Get that sweet Fist from Princess

[static glacier]

once you have 2x crafted or a mythic dagger mh from raid there's no real point in daggers

[uncut walrus]

but i can get mace / sword etc

which is basically the same

[rotund oak]

assa has no favorite stats but if u want some insight its mostly mast and crit

[short quarry]

vaults gonna fuck you no matter what. just play the lotto game and move on

[rotund oak]

truth has been spoken^^

[static glacier]

hell nah, can't even yap

[uncut walrus]

4 sockets in 7 vaults on my mage

[static glacier]

ran a key and was on rashanan 2 mins before reset

[short quarry]

im wowstradamus. you will be fucked by 5/6 vaults.

it is so

[static glacier]

it kicked us out and I only had 3 keys done + 3x raid vault

got rash cloak, karma

[short quarry]

thats the secret. stop trying.

[rotund oak]

ive got 3 sockets on my rogue but my mage gets all the fancies

[cosmic mica]

When life gives you lemons..

[uncut walrus]

trade account ?

[short quarry]

meanwhile my mage main gets 2x helms every week for 4 weeks now

[rotund oak]

thats not lemons,that life spreading her legs for the obvious^^

disgusting luck

[static glacier]

I've got mythic rash cloak on the two chars I play

im a lucky bastard

[cosmic mica]

I had no time to run M+ this week, so I just did a quick 10 yesterday, guess it was worth it

[fierce dome]

Just downloaded a WA and plater profile, what is the greyed out dagger symbol?

[rotund oak]

deathstalkers mark not applied

aka not active,urs isnt applied thats why its grey,u got darkest night buff active

[short quarry]

just make 5x of your favorite class and run 40 keys a week til you find a unicorn

then never play again because you hate the game

[static glacier]

got a new take: myth track skardyns is a weaker upgrade than any tier hero > myth

ilvl benefit on trinkets is really inconsistent

[short quarry]

whatever the strongest slots are for sure. i was gonna craft 636 feet and it was only a 5k st 20k 5t upgrade over 619 boots.

[static glacier]

we just hype it bc it's v hard to get trinkets

while catalyst fixes other pieces

[crude dove]

how do u guys deal with the longer stealth window on ST, do u just keybind ur mutilate somewhere in stealthbar?

[frigid sonnet]

So 25 versa 45 mastery and 30 crit is ideal right?

[thorn crater]

well i got on the catalyst today 3 myth track tier pieces i have and boots i have 636 crafted on

feelsgood

#not

[short quarry]

@crude dove i have a separate stealthbar thats always showing via bartender. i made the bar much smaller. thats how i do it personally.

[rotund oak]

u will never reach 25% vers and no there are no specific % u should aim for

just sim specific pieces and go with the ilvl

[short quarry]

vers scaling is shit. getting 25% vers would be very hard.

[rotund oak]

its impossible

[short quarry]

i see m+ runners with almost no vers

im just resurrecting my rogue from s3 df.

[rotund oak]

u cant reach 25% as sin

[short quarry]

you might be able to if you stack only vers but why would you 😛

[rotund oak]

im playing sin with sub gear

and im at 12.5%

u literally cant

and both my rings got vers

[short quarry]

do you have the vers heavy raid neck and ring?

[rotund oak]

u just cant

[short quarry]

ya i believe it.. my arcane mage is around 10 and im trying to get higher but it wont be much higher

but those pieces can probably bring you to 15ish

[rotund oak]

ye if u craft engi head and wrist with vers

might be the case

with gems and stuff

and enchants

i think avoidance gets higher value due to vers having this bad a scaling

[short quarry]

it sucks when your spec scales best with vers

means blizz did a bad job designing the spec

arcane got fucked by the talent changes. half baked bullshit

[rotund oak]

arcane pumps but i like frost more

[short quarry]

arcane fell behind frost. and i hate frost.

and arcane scaling is gonna be bad

[rotund oak]

i like fire more tbh but frost is cool

arcane generally cant scale that good

[short quarry]

fire is red headed step child this xpac

[rotund oak]

fire is the best scaling out of the 3 iirc

[short quarry]

theyre afraid of overbuffing it

[rotund oak]

yeah it was stupid on beta

[short quarry]

so its in the demonology warlock tier

[vast patio]

They nerfed fire when it was already the worst

Logs just had skewed af data

[short quarry]

blizzard needs more people balancing that have a clue

they are throwing darts at a board and everyone knows it

[vast patio]

Just have ai do it, would probably be more competent

How is enhance getting the kid gloves still?

[short quarry]

because they have no idea

what their changes do

their internal sims must be fucked

[vast patio]

They balance around raid and every other content does not matter.

[rotund oak]

doubt they dont know,they just shape a meta

[short quarry]

i mean given how buggy tww release and patches have been i know they are being pushed hard to just release shit

[vast patio]

Ret paladin smashing their dicks on the keyboard > learning the scuffed af aethervision rotation lul

[short quarry]

so will it get better after microsoft buyout?

[rotund oak]

very true game has srs issues,lagging and random dcing and all

[vast patio]

At least assassination is fun.

[coral ibex]

balancing is difficult when you only look at all boss overall damage for heroic on wcl

[short quarry]

ya im enjoying assa as an alt. i didnt enjoy my shaman as an alt.

[rotund oak]

like u enter an arena and blink into the grave in ruins and fall to the abyss

and dc

thats like 10 years now or something

[short quarry]

dawnbreaker ships falling through

[rotund oak]

yeah thats another lvl of cringe

[vast patio]

I like shaman but I'm biased towards my rogue because it's always been my second main.

I'm kinda regretting swapping from lock to mage in tww now ngl

Mage hero talents looked so good, maaaan.

[short quarry]

ya they dropped the ball

[rotund oak]

mage is just the best

dmg is not there

will happen dw

[vast patio]

And here's the thing right

I refuse to dust lock off

I am not regrinding spymaster

I'm not doing it

YOU CANT MAKE ME

[rotund oak]

ive went maximum goblinism and bought it from another mage

[short quarry]

s1 is kinda over. meta's defined. no new changes.

[rotund oak]

waved at him 350k gold

[coral ibex]

i main caster in other mmo’s but i only wanna play melee in wow

[vast patio]

We raided heroic since it dropped

It didn't drop until mage nerfs

LMAO

[short quarry]

mage is perfectly ok to play. it just doesnt feel very inspired and doesnt excel in any damage department anymore.

[regal linden]

wa!

[royal lantern]

not really true tbh

they said multiple times that m+ is just balanced around +10 keys because for 98% of the playerbase thats the highest they will ever go, and that the infinite scaling nature of m+ makes it kinda impossible anyway

[regal linden]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[vast patio]

They are fucking lying then

[royal lantern]

no they dont? every spec can do +10 with no problems

[vast patio]

If I don't see nerfs on Friday lol

[vital pawn]

gm,
i‘m newby since wotlk.
freshly 80 (bought 70).
best way to get back in the game?
some good streamers to follow?

[short quarry]

start doing content. join a guild. make friends. kill shit together.

[vast patio]

Do your weeklies, be able to do t8 delves asap and you'll have a decent starting set

[short quarry]

so im 580 on my rogue trying to do t8s. shits hard!

was easier on my 580 frost mage

[pulsar basin]

is there a reason why Fan of knives only generates 1 combo point during AOE?

[frigid sonnet]

So i can make assa main spec and sub off spec what’s the best build for assa?

[rotund oak]

Hunter,beast master.Unless u like torturing urself and play rogue.Assassination is a great start

[pearl mauve]

Anyway a few % difference isn’t what makes a class unplayable in higher. Only very high push, top runners or MDI strats need the very optimized comp.

The issue isn’t balance but the group finder tool and lack of tank/healers.
So grp maker end up with 20+ choices in dps and no healer/tank so there’s no reason not to take the best one (in theory) instead of a feral

We just need some matchmaking tool

[short quarry]

i play 13's with a feral on my mage. it's not that bad!

[pearl mauve]

Ofc it isn’t

But it’s 1% less than dk so why bother

[echo lark]

Is there anywhere I can see which spells Feint works for in the raid?

[lucid niche]

anyone know if this trinket is still shit??!

[tired panther]

would you grab this over a 20ilvl increase in Tier shoulders? I have a Zealot's Insignia 626 now - Sims are no use unless I sim big boss cleave

[rotund oak]

still sht,should sim if u dont have a high ilvl one

[tired panther]

Harvesters is meh unless you consistently can catch the orb and get the mastery along with your cooldowns

[short quarry]

do you love leech?

if so yes

how much % is that

[patent elk]

like 1%

[short quarry]

no its more than 1

[tired panther]

doesnt matter much does it, as long as it's not avoidance?

[short quarry]

im trying to find it

ya it doesnt matter its just flavor

[royal lantern]

thats such a reddit take

[tired panther]

I just feel the neck itself is sorta BiS, but all the lists I find want a haste neck

[royal lantern]

nobldy would use that shit

[short quarry]

maybe it actually is 1%

[lucid niche]

ok thx for quick answer

[short quarry]

i would think tier would be a bigger upgrade. with mainstat

[cedar cargo]

Can someone help me understand why it is important to vanish during opener

?

[royal lantern]

like, sorry, but a "matchmaling m+" would be dead on release cus nobody that has some basic knowledge would use it, every tank/healer would use LFG to get into decent groups, same with any dps aswell cus matchmaking cant make decent groups

[cedar cargo]

Isnt imp garrote already going to be ticking during full duration of deathmark

[tired panther]

it's also a bigger ilvl upgrade

[worldly sail]

they should remove the ability to make premade groups, force everyone into solo queue m+

[short quarry]

no thanks

[marble hemlock]

those people you listed account for like 10% of the m+ playerbase

[coral ibex]

match made m+ would just be LFR 2.0

only shitters who are blacklisted by every pugger on earth need it

[pearl mauve]

I mean what value do you use to find a « good grp » in non marchmaking ? M+ score ?
Why would matchmaking not use it the same way ?

[coral ibex]

run your own damn key and stop coping

[vital pawn]

i was rogue main, so yes ofc rogue

[coral ibex]

if i cared enough to check credentials i would either check main io or your raid logs

you don’t need credentials to do weekly 10’s

[bronze flicker]

how much better is 2x dawnthread than the ascendence embelishment ?

[coral ibex]

extremely marginally

[bronze flicker]

for m+

[pearl mauve]

And you don’t need dk enh and rogue to do 13s +

[coral ibex]

what is your point

if you want to get matchmade into 13’s you’re cooked

[short quarry]

only way i could push past 12 was bying having people that i play with regularly. only 2 others but it was enough.

[coral ibex]

there’s no incentive beyond personal achievement to do more than a 10

[short quarry]

and title

[coral ibex]

if you want to do that, find friends or be good enough that people add you

[coral ibex]

personal achievement

titles don’t give player power

[short quarry]

community achievement xd

lol

[pearl mauve]

My point is being good enough doesn’t lead you into highers keys than 10-11s if you’re none meta spec

[lavish island]

Bro title is a social ticket to anything. Since I got Thundering Hero I've been invited to so many parties and stuff you have no idea bro my IRL has improved so much.

[short quarry]

i believe it

[vast patio]

Chosen gang wya

[coral ibex]

find a team or play meta, there’s no need for matchmaking just to facilitate people playing off specs

[short quarry]

thing is. player power resets. you getting title stays forever.

[coral ibex]

or again

run your own key

[pearl mauve]

Anyway even just for alt low keys or weeklies, i’m certain that a matchmaking would help a lot the game.
Or at least a better grp finder tool.

[vast patio]

Tfw you search for 10s and get a sea of 6s

[vital crown]

Are there any good videos on rotation and stuff? I am 618 ilvl but I don't think I am doing the damage I should be doing. Simming says I should be doing 1.2 mil single target but I end up doing just over half that.

[coral ibex]

you don’t need to get matchmade for weekly 10’s

lmao

[short quarry]

when you search type 10-10 and it only shows 10s

[coral ibex]

do you think your m+ queue as dps will be any faster than waiting in lfg

[short quarry]

1 hour + good luck

[restive falcon]

we swapping to Forced Induction now for ST? its 8k dps gain over 2point Lethality

[pearl mauve]

Your acting as if matchmaking wasn’t a thing in any game and that didn’t ever worked

[ornate harbor]

Myth dagger (parsons blade) or ovinax egg trinket?

[coral ibex]

no i’m not, im realistic about what an m+ queue would be

[severe sparrow]

Wait 1 hr to q into a 10 arakara and then brick the key on the last boss

Sounds good

[coral ibex]

it would be the shittest of shitters who can’t get into groups

and brand new players

[ornate harbor]

Got 626 dagger from HC raid and crafted 636

Would u take myth dagger or

[royal lantern]

allright, whos key is used? how is the team comp made? what happens when somebody leaves? what about gear requirments?

[pearl mauve]

Ye u’re just the ellitist problem imo

[coral ibex]

have you never gone into LFR

[pearl mauve]

And what’s the issue with lfr

[coral ibex]

[slim pebble]

Buff valor stone acquisition

please

[royal lantern]

and, again, who would actually use it when you can just go into lfg and join a decent made group instead that has a actually better chance to time it in the end cus its not 5random people throw togheter with no context

[coral ibex]

it is a pit of lowest common denominators and piss poor play

4 people carrying 21

every time

[hot jay]

Phew, ovinax dead on main and I'm on bench for kyveza

[severe sparrow]

I took a fresh 80 rogue into lfr to get mog back in voti and outdps'd people with 20 ilvls on me

[ornate harbor]

Ovinax 616 or myth track dagger? From vault

[coral ibex]

LFR was a mistake and continues to be

[severe sparrow]

Was fun

[hot jay]

Now I have time to play my rogue

[severe sparrow]

Er not 80 ig

[coral ibex]

any key level able to be queued would have to be LFR tier easy

and would not be able to drop weekly rewards

[severe sparrow]

But w/e point still stands most of those people are...

[coral ibex]

it could never happen

[ornate harbor]

Anyone can help me?

[coral ibex]

no just sim it

[vagrant brook]

at a glance myth dagger seems to be the option
depends on your gear, so sim it

[severe sparrow]

The dagger prob isn't gonna be it, it never is for me, but sim ye

[fallen arch]

Probably myth dagger

But u gotta sim

To be sure

[tired panther]

Isnt Ovinaxx trinket a sim-bait item? I don't see myself standing still enough to benefit properly

[spice spire]

Learn 2 sit still there are many fights it’s more than fine on

[severe sparrow]

When i simmed replacing my hero track dagger with crafted it was a whopping 1.5k dps upgrade somehow

Crafted myth

[fallow canopy]

but..but... my apm

[severe sparrow]

Maybe i fucked up and should resim that

[wild hound]

Yoo does anyone know how to add Kingsbane to LE's damage window weakaura? Would be nice to track that too

[severe sparrow]

Does that old kb tracker still work?

[vagrant brook]

639 rashanan cloak in vault
don't even need to upgrade it

[wild hound]

Which one? 🙂

[severe sparrow]

Uhhhhhh shoot

The one that was the icon with the numbers next to it

[wild hound]

yeah exactly, but it only shows deathmark

[severe sparrow]

Would keep track of your biggest kbs

[wild hound]

this one rihgt?

[oak tangle]

why is kfc so addicting

[sharp orchid]

Yo, maybe wrong place to ask but i put on combopoints over target by misstake, anynoe know how to take it away?

[fierce dome]

WTF, just +2'd a Dawnbreaker 4, and no loot. This is like the 7th mythic in a row with zero loot. I've yet to pull loot out of a mythic since I started playing again.

[severe sparrow]

Nah hold on

[royal lantern]

well, 2 pieces for the group

rng gonna rng

[fierce dome]

RNG apparently has me blacklisted. No loot from raid 2 weeks in a row either.

[royal lantern]

well, time to think about your mistakes

[fallow canopy]

do you mean the notter kingsbane tracker?

[royal lantern]

and how you got this bad karma

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[severe sparrow]

THIS IS THE ONE I MEANT 🙏

[royal lantern]

le collection

[severe sparrow]

ty

[royal lantern]

has KB as 1 of them

[wild hound]

no idea haha, just wanna have one that shows me how muc h my KB does, but that sounds great!

[coral ibex]

saw some guy who had won 0 loot from 46 boss kills spanning normal and heroic

[severe sparrow]

I don't know if it works anymore

[wild hound]

ooh nice, ill check. I downloaded the one from LE's

which one is it on that list?

[coral ibex]

if that was me i’d just reroll my account lol

[fallow canopy]

have not used it since DF so not sure but its on wago its anyone wants to try it

[severe sparrow]

Yeah i deleted it since then too

[fierce dome]

So I guess I just keep spamming Boralus, Dawnbreaker, Ara-Kara, and Stonevault mythics for BiS trinkets.

[spice spire]

Stonevault

Rest yeah

[frigid sonnet]

this is my vault!!!

[spice spire]

Grim batol too if you don’t have it

[severe sparrow]

The highest sv ive timed is a 4

I just don't go in there

I should fix it for score

[coral ibex]

i take stone vault over city of cucks every time

[royal lantern]

oh sorry, you mean damage tracking

[coral ibex]

fuck the rp dungeon

[royal lantern]

sorry ,thought kb tracking in general

[fierce dome]

OOPS, not Stonevault, meant Grim Batol

[calm grail]

How come in m+ I'm seeing a LOT of subterfuge without MA? Just for iron wire time?

[severe sparrow]

my friends like cot for some reason

[spice spire]

Threads is chill

Ara Kara final boss

Makes me want to Subaru

Rest of that dungeon is piss free

[royal lantern]

assa has like 40657227 m+ builds that all are basically the same

[coral ibex]

ak final boss is great wym

people are just ass

[severe sparrow]

i will not pug arakara, just bc of the last boss

[spice spire]

But go into ak with all melee

And

Die

Die

Die

[slate crown]

So

that aura isn't deathmark damage, it's damage dealt during deathmark

[small hollow]

can anyone tell me how important actually 935 avoidance is for m+? i've got the choice between myth track neck with good stats with avoidance or chest myth track tier set, i'm not sure what to do

[slate crown]

you could change it to use Kingsbane instead of deathmark, but then it would be come "damage done during kingsbane" not "damage of kingsbane"

[severe sparrow]

nothing more triggering than standing next to a pool in melee intending on taking it the whole time and then some mage blinks into melee and takes it

noty

[slate crown]

Additional changes could be made to make it only track kingsbane damage

[calm grail]

I know this, but I thought that was usually relegated to DPS talents. Subterfuge is a DPS loss compared to subterfuge without MA right? As opposed to using other dps options on the class tree.

[coral ibex]

shadowstep to them

[oak tangle]

does this allow me to post to chat?

[coral ibex]

rogue never needs its own pool

[slate crown]

however if you want that, I'd suggest just using Notter's (rather, the retooled version) not mine, as that one already does this directly

[coral ibex]

[slate crown]

Like post your damage during to chat windows?

No, not adding that lol

[severe sparrow]

i hadnt considered that, after i banned myself from shadowstepping queen

[oak tangle]

yeah i wanna do some role paly

[slate crown]

You have started your journey into custom WA

[coral ibex]

between sstep and cloak you really shouldn’t ever die to it

[slate crown]

You can take that as an exercise challenge

[oak tangle]

haha

[coral ibex]

and you can get CT uptime too

[severe sparrow]

i usually manage alright but your point is valid and im gonna use it more

but

[gusty plover]

Is there any advanced guide on Rogue? I feel like rotation is pretty basic but It can be min maxxed, I main swapped to rogue 2 weeks ago, just trying to pump more dmg

[coral ibex]

[severe sparrow]

it's also still triggering that ranged yeet themselves into pools easier for melee when pugging

[coral ibex]

true

[gusty plover]

Like idk how there is rogues doing so much dmg in ST in raid

[arctic socket]

Wowhead guide covers a lot, Whispyr has videos explaining little tricks

[severe sparrow]

whispyrs videos are a better deep dive than the wowhead guide

[south token]

wowhead has a great guide written by people on this discord

[severe sparrow]

if you have an hour

[oak tangle]

where do i find this aura?

[arctic socket]

Kill times play a big role in that

[gusty plover]

I'll check out the Whispyrs videos cuz I already read the wowhead guide

[oak tangle]

nvm found it in your pack

didnt realise it was yours

[slate crown]

!wa LE Collection should have a standalone link, Damage Windows

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[arctic socket]

Whispyrs video are like 3 hours all together so

Grab a drink etc lmao

[severe sparrow]

on the surface, if youve grouped with other rogues have you looked in details at them vs you for casts, uptime, etc?

[coral ibex]

maintain envenom uptime (98+%), 5+ cp envenom, 7cp envenom to consume DN, press kingsbane and deathmark on cooldown

[gusty plover]

Yeah its weird idk on rashanan we killed 10s later than the kill of the 100 rogue parse but he dealed like 400k more dps

[coral ibex]

[wild hound]

@slate crown Ah okay, cool! Thank you ❤️

[oak tangle]

i've actually never grouped with another sin

[arctic socket]

Rash fight has a lot of variables

[gusty plover]

Looking at cast he did cast a shit ton more than me

[arctic socket]

If you get webbed it can kill your dps

Maybe he padded ALOT more on add

Fok a few more times to get alot more envenom casts etc

[severe sparrow]

what's his ilvl vs yours too

[arctic socket]

Could be faster at getting to the boss then you were etc

Ilvl is also a big thing yeeee

[severe sparrow]

like im sure there's some absolutely geared out the ass rogue who did whatever level of the raid you were doing just for funsies

[gusty plover]

I did go ST on that shit cuz my guild runs 2 warriors so adds get one shot

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kh1xQGd8B3w6nrDg#fight=49&type=damage-done

But in a full ST fight like Sikran I still get smoked by the top rogues

[gusty plover]

Got 632 ivl yesterday

I literally cant even use crest to uograde gear cuz I dont have mythic track LMAO

[spice surge]

Just dont use a strat that requires melee to move out of melee

[arctic socket]

Why are you using 1/1 wep enchant????

[gusty plover]

Well comparing my Sikran kill to the top 1 Rogue on Sikran he just casted a shit ton

[gusty plover]

Yea idk, just got a dagger from mythic bloodbound so now I have both radiant power

I already changed that

[spice spire]

You only had one correct vanish that entire fight

And that was the very end

[arctic socket]

Well looking at your opener you messed up when to press vanish

You also didn’t use fok at the correct time

[severe sparrow]

ok so

[arctic socket]

Missed some CTW procs

[spice spire]

Also no envenom buff rolling into kb is a big no no

[severe sparrow]

the top rogue, #1 on sikran

got PI'd 3 times

[arctic socket]

Bleed uptime could be a little better

[gusty plover]

What is fok and ctw

[arctic socket]

I was about to say that

[severe sparrow]

go get yourself a few pocket priests

[oak tangle]

fan of knives, clear the witness

[arctic socket]

Fan of knifes n clear the witness

[spice spire]

Bleed time is fine, he hit the 90/95 marker

[gusty plover]

What does clear the witness do? Not on my pc right now

[arctic socket]

Coild be better tho he’s trynna mid max

[royal lantern]

why, just proc poisons anyway

[arctic socket]

Makes your fok deal more damage n generate more combo points

Over pressing multi

[gusty plover]

Yea sometimes im having problems with keeping up energy

[spice spire]

On the opener tho

[arctic socket]

Are you pooling correctly? I haven’t looked at energy uptime

[gusty plover]

Are yall looking to Sikran or rash

[spice spire]

Rash

[arctic socket]

Rash

[gusty plover]

I dont even known whats the strat for that tbh

I havent looked into any guides besides m+ rotation lmao

[arctic socket]

To simply it, full send er bud during your cooldowns… and outside of cds keep envenom buff up while refreshing when the buff gets to a second left

Keeping up bleeds in the meanwhile

[spice spire]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kh1xQGd8B3w6nrDg#fight=49&type=casts&source=50&view=events

This shows your casts in order

[severe sparrow]

how the fuck you get a 76 on sikran and never looked at a single guide damn

i must be trash

[arctic socket]

If you look at how he’s opening

Yuh

Get better brotha

Lock in

[gusty plover]

So whenever Im trying to keep up envenom buff, Im trying to not make the 2nd envenom buff run out right

[spice spire]

It’s minimal stuff on the opener

But it matters eh

[arctic socket]

Pressing envenom before you press kb is massive

[gusty plover]

Well I mean I'm not bad lol I just dont know how to min max this spec

[spice spire]

Guide is a start eh

[gusty plover]

Hopefully i'll get some 90's next week

[gusty plover]

I didnt know that, does the wowhead guide covers all of the min maxy shit?

Cuz I'll have to do some studying if I want to play my shit better lol

[kindred breach]

Hey guys anyone knows if the trick with crafted rings still works?

[spice spire]

It doesn’t but it covers your opener.
And the logic on CDs which is what’s primarily missing outside of 15 wasted cp

[earnest rover]

hey guys i just a little confused about somthing, i know more clever people have figured out, but im running deathstalker mark which gets applied with ambush, but the spec i run for raids, gives me a chance for my ambush to be used ouut of stealth and i think be crit ? , but when testing it, i just seem to keep proccing and always running 2-3 deathstalker marks , i dont seem to ever go to my darkest night ?

this is just me looking at weak auras and watching my buff

[iron valve]

DSM is only applied by ambush from stealth / subterfuge, not from blindside

[thick sail]

I have done heroic raid twice now, and I got like a 55 parse on one fight. Felt good after parsing all 0's last week lol

[normal mist]

Did you die in the pull all fights last week?

[thick sail]

I still suck, but man, it's a lot harder to parse well in retail than it was in Classic

No, I was just super paranoid about dying to mechanics and wiping the raid

[severe sparrow]

gj on learning something, now just get a little better every week

[normal mist]

The more you kill those bosses, the easier it gets to just play them

[raven egret]

muscle memory will do a lot of the work for you, just keep at it 🙂

[normal mist]

You learn timings, CDs, defensive CDs, when you can commit or not

Etc

[raven egret]

then you learn that Sikran really doesnt want you to finish your burst and ships you to ghost baiting jail

[earnest rover]

oh yeah wow i jsut didnt see it that way thank you

[normal mist]

Np

[severe sparrow]

muscle memory is great till you forget youre playing a 1 shiv build in the raid on ovinax or something and send it not at the end of kb 😭

[thick sail]

Totally agree. I think it has a lot more to do with just paranoia. Like on the one boss where you have to break the eggs in a certain order, the second attempt I stayed away from him while he was breaking the container because I thought maybe I could avoid the healing debuff. But even though I was 40 yards away I still got the debuff, so I think it's just raid wide

[quaint depot]

For cloak enchant, why does the guide say winged grace over armored avoidance?

[severe sparrow]

also fuck ovinax i have to be a raid marker man and it's awful

[raven egret]

but... why? of all the classes possible, why you?

[wispy apex]

Im saving this to show my raidleader.

[iron valve]

armored avoidance is bracers?

[severe sparrow]

there's people who are good at having raid responsibilities and can be trusted, and there's people who dont look at anything other than their cds

[raven egret]

I hate being reliable

[severe sparrow]

unfortunately for me, im useful

[subtle tundra]

but also putting a melee dps to do it

yikes

put a range cause they can actually see everything

[quaint depot]

Lol whoops my bad, For some reason ithought there was another enchant for cloak as well with more avoidance

[raven egret]

we're busy after all XD

[thick sail]

Here's a question: is it pretty normal for me to get crushed by a 99 parsing feral druid?

[severe sparrow]

we have 4 marker men, im just marking a specific egg set each time + worm for kicks

[thick sail]

Feral damage seems legit

[severe sparrow]

but theyre both in melee so it's not the worst

[thick sail]

On one boss for example, he did 1.5 million dps, and I did 1 million

And I was like 6th place

[subtle tundra]

why are you comparing across classes

what did you parse

[thick sail]

Like 40 lol

[brittle lynx]

Which settings should you use when simming for M+ ?

[subtle tundra]

then you played like dogshit

[pliant silo]

A 99 anything probably claps ur shit up

[subtle tundra]

and has nothing to do with class

[pliant silo]

On the meters

[thick sail]

He did have a 631 ilev and I'm 616

[severe sparrow]

[subtle tundra]

then why tf

are you asking this

[severe sparrow]

why did big man do more dps

[thick sail]

Idk I guess I'm just used to being good dps

[severe sparrow]

(cuz he big)

[subtle tundra]

youre omega undergeared

[thick sail]

I AM NOT USED TO NOT BEING 1ST PLACE

[subtle tundra]

and you probably played not very well

ok?

then get better

skill issue

assa is a top dps

[pliant silo]

Work on gear imo not even skill issue

[fierce dome]

EYYY got the dagger from Dawnbreaker of another +4

[subtle tundra]

probably skill issue aswell

[raven egret]

you... expect to be 1st place at 616 when the max ilvl of item is 639 and most people parsing are 630+ already?

[brisk forge]

If u have 616 no shit sherlock xD

[unique jay]

Greetings everyone, I decided to roll a Rogue this season after my stopped getting invited into keys when I got to +13s.
What is the learning curve of assassination and how much trouble should I expect from learning it?

[thick sail]

I'm wondering if my rotation sucks

[subtle tundra]

yea it does

i dont need the logs

[oak tangle]

lol

[thick sail]

I thought 616 was a pretty good ilev for heroic raid?

Obviously it's not good compared to 631 lol

[brisk forge]

No

[raven egret]

it is but expecting first place?

[pliant silo]

Hero gear goes up to 626

[quaint depot]

Yeah its fine for heroic raid.

[vital crown]

is there any decent guides on rotations and stuff I also feel like im doing way less damage than I should be doing

[quaint depot]

But you will be low just because how late in the season it is

[severe sparrow]

you can clear it fine at 616 but there's no point comparing yourself to someone with 15 ilvls on you

[raven egret]

"Hey this person who is better geared than me beat me in DPS"
No shit XD

[quaint depot]

Yeah, I mean msot of us were clearing it at like 605-610 ilvl

[frigid sonnet]

so for dagger recraft ascension or Blood-kissed kukri for off-hand?

[thick sail]

Okay, fair, that makes me feel a bit better.

[oak tangle]

615 is what my casual guild set the requirement at for progging last 4

[raven egret]

Plus, dont expect to be first on every fight thats just not how it works, unless your entire raid is absolute trash on dps

[quaint depot]

in the current point in the season, 615 is a casual ilvl for sure. Most people below that probably play a few hours a week at most or just started their toon within the last week or so

[raven egret]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[raven egret]

learning curve can be a challenge if you are not ready for the burst spec goodness, but it really depends on your own personal context

[gusty plover]

Is there anywhere I can find how to min max everything?

[thick sail]

Yeah don't get me wrong, I was sorta joking about being #1 dps, and I've only done heroic raid twice, I just am curious if I'm doing anything terribly wrong with my rotation. It's possible I'm not doing kingsbane and Deathmark perfectly

[raven egret]

Read guides linked above, and sim yo self

[neat yoke]

Based on the wowhead rotations posted, is it safe to assume I could macro my trinket into Deathmark since they line up together?

[spice spire]

Start with the basics then work inward.
No point in min-maxing tea for 0.1% dps when you’re missing a couple vanishing wrong

[spice spire]

Yeah

[quaint depot]

keep shiv up for your entire kings bane and reapply improved garrote with vanish during DM

[gusty plover]

Well isnt vanishing just for improve garrote?

[quaint depot]

thats basically it

[spice spire]

No and that’s why you need to read

[thick sail]

That's probably the issue, I need to remember to Vanish before my 2nd deathmark to get the empowered garrote

[spice spire]

It’s also for MA due to the final ticks of kb likely being fully stacked. Higher crit chance = more damage

You toss imp garrote in there, they line up in such a way that you’ll be in pandemic

[gusty plover]

Kk

I guess I never thought of that, thats why im asking where can I get all the min maxing info so I can learn

[spice spire]

Min maxing is absolutely fine and I helped an infinitely better player than I do that even last night, BUT. Focus on the basic cd usage then work toward it

That’s on the guide

That’s not even min maxing, that’s just cd usage

[raven egret]

I mean first stop thinking in terms of min-max, you need to read a guide

[spice spire]

Min maxing is like

Tea usage

Etc

[gusty plover]

Yall are acting like people can only learn 1 trick a week lol, I can just learn whats the optimal opener rotation, tea usage and then go hit a dummy lol

[wary valley]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[raven egret]

I don't think you understand what min-maxing means

[spice spire]

Yeah and I’m saying do that then ask more.
You need to understand what and why before you understand min-maxing.
Because of you don’t know when to do x or why. You’ll never truly min-max

[gusty plover]

Not trying to be rude, thanks really for all the info and shit but Im just asking if there is anything where I can read or hear how to play my class to its best

[raven egret]

you are talking about basic rotation stuff, thats why we keep referring to guides

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[raven egret]

Here linked it again for you

[spice spire]

Yeah wowhead and whispyr’s YouTube channel (whispyr rogue) has a few more in depth videos.
Not boss specific but he goes way into detail

[coral ibex]

there’s no secret rank 1 exclusive discord for optimal gamers

[royal lantern]

ez

cloak was actually 1 of my 3 slots that was not mythic yet

[coral ibex]

this is the rogue class discord

[raven egret]

Cloak Gamer Bros HELL YES

[coral ibex]

learn to analyze top logs

[arctic socket]

Holding kb on first boss until add phase is how you phrase on it

[spice spire]

Idk man ocarina seems hot

[coral ibex]

HUH

[spice spire]

Phrase

🙂

[arctic socket]

Parse

Same thing

[coral ibex]

you kb adds on ulgrax??

how much are you paying your raid to afk so you get a full use

[arctic socket]

300k

To rl

[raven egret]

Hey maybe his raid is challenged who knows XD

[nimble vector]

If I see any logs of people holding CDs for add phase on ulgrax I’m going to hunt them down

[coral ibex]

the fat boys die in like 4 globals

[eager peak]

hey guys, im new at rogue, what poisons its the best? or its situational

[coral ibex]

deadly amp

[ebon geyser]

what loot spec you guys open vault?

[raven egret]

pve Amp and Deadly, always, Atrophic for raid, Mind-numbing for M+, general rule

[raven egret]

We are assassination rogues.

[eager peak]

gotcha, thanks!

[wanton imp]

is there any WA that lets me to change Plater's namplate border/color based on the dot I have on the target?

[nimble vector]

That’s just a plater setting

[ebon geyser]

i mean i allways open as assa , but so far not even 1 trinket

[nimble vector]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[raven egret]

loot spec wouldnt do anything for you on that

[oak tangle]

@slate crown was easy tbh now i can be toxic in keys and let people know how big my dick is

[gusty plover]

Tyty

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

ill play you like a flute

[pliant silo]

+10 dawnbreaker chads only link Zek’Vir (??) achieve

Wrong chat

[oak tangle]

my dk friend had a wa that spouted out how much damage his breath did. time to one up him

[spice spire]

Hot?

[spice spire]

Yeah buddy it’s called linking details.
Nice 200m breath.
Too bad your 600m behind on the meters

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/pan-pipe-pan-flute-blow-play-instrument-gif-11663234

[raven egret]

Thats hot

[spice spire]

In November homie? Damn

[raven egret]

also I hate people that use these things

[marble cedar]

Is it best to try to finish at 5 combo points, over the 7?

[raven egret]

its obnoxious

[royal lantern]

5+ is the rule

[raven egret]

5+ except when you have Darkest Night ready, 7 CP envenom for that

[royal lantern]

except if you have DN ready and need 7CP there

[marble cedar]

So finish consuming Death stalkers Mark, then on next enemy go for 7 to basically reapply it for the damage bonus

(unless the enemy hasn't died and you trigger DN anyway with the 7)

[raven egret]

Basically

who you apply the mark to is the active decision you have to make during each pull

we like high HP mobs

[marble cedar]

And so say...I don't have DN yet, but have supercharger active

[raven egret]

I miss thee, Everbloom abominations!

[marble cedar]

Would I do 5+2 from supercharger?

[raven egret]

It would work now yes they fixed it, however it is unlikely you will have supercharger every time you need to re-apply mark so don't overstress about it, good to pay attention to

[royal lantern]

yes

ignore that supercharger existss

its just "when you use shiv your next envenom does more dmg"

and not something you actually think about

[marble cedar]

So it's not a damage loss if you have a supercharged combo point, and fill all 7 (hypothetically) ?

[raven egret]

no, supercharge will do its thing regardless

[pliant silo]

You can do a 9p finisher essentially

[marble cedar]

AHH ok

That makes more sense

[pliant silo]

I do pay attention to supercharger for darkest night

[royal lantern]

i mean you can do that, but im not sure if thats even a gain tbh

like, supercharger is just a big w/e overall tbh

[raven egret]

I generally don't, if anything its a thicker DN envenom

yeah its very mid

[coral ibex]

it can be if it means you gain an envenom during buff windows vs doing another mutilate

[pliant silo]

If I am sitting at 6 for example I will not use a whole extra generator

[marble cedar]

So the reality is...with Mark active 5 or more on Envenom, when mark isn't active get to 7 to reapply?

[raven egret]

Yes. As long as you stil lhave Darkest Night available of course

[marble cedar]

Yes

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-emoji-nerd-emoji-avalon-play-avalon-gif-24241051

[marble cedar]

Thanks all, just wasn't familiar with how they changed that talent

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-nerd-emoji-meme-speech-bubble-bubble-gif-25115885

[raven egret]

Speaking of talents

Shadowheart is still a node that exists!

Somehow

[ebon prism]

how does sudden demise affect the affix for this week?

[royal lantern]

[ebon prism]

because it has 1 hp

[royal lantern]

it doesnt

[coral ibex]

not worth to change your build for it

[ebon prism]

ok cool

[royal lantern]

what change

allready playing SD anyway

[ebon prism]

im not

[royal lantern]

[valid pulsar]

youre 100% supposed to tea during bane window right?

[arctic socket]

Using tea during your cooldown window is a good idea yuuuh

[valid pulsar]

yeah i have this weak aura that tells me when to shiv but doesnt say when to tea i usually do it with the last 5 seconds or so

after shiv

[ebon prism]

your tea is macroed to your shiv

hello?

[valid pulsar]

am i supposed to to that LMFAO

?

[raven egret]

meh not mine

[ebon prism]

yes u are

[valid pulsar]

sounds much easier

[raven egret]

you can if you want to

[frigid sonnet]

this build is good or i can change something?

[valid pulsar]

ty will do

[cobalt sphinx]

Just let the talent use tea randomly, it is somehow always at the end of a pull too

[royal lantern]

what

[drifting basin]

!macro

anyone got a working mouseover shadowstep macro?

[royal lantern]

allright thank god

cringeflipper is only 0,9%

[drifting basin]

i use this; #showtooltip Shadowstep
/cast [@mouseover, exists][@target, exists] Shadowstep

[royal lantern]

so i still cba touching that failure

[drifting basin]

but it somehow jumps me to my target?

[royal lantern]

[drifting basin]

sometimes

[coral ibex]

are you mousing over a valid target in range

[drifting basin]

yeppers

[coral ibex]

some hitboxes are huge and you might think you’re hovering something but actually ur hovering the enormous boss you have targeted

it’s infinitely more like that that is the case

than the mouseover macro behavior simply breaking for you

[cobalt sphinx]

Other people aren’t using spaces in their brackets, not sure if that matters

[drifting basin]

usually when i use mouseover its to hover someone in party or raid for example on ansurek pull or last boss arakara

[coral ibex]

step to ansurek

[drifting basin]

so dont think it has anything to do with hitgboxes

[coral ibex]

don’t step away

[drifting basin]

?

[cobalt sphinx]

It works

[drifting basin]

why would i not step away

[coral ibex]

because shadowstep puts you at melee range

just walk off at 1.5s

[cobalt sphinx]

Stepping ansurek is fine in the intermission

[coral ibex]

and step during wrest

[drifting basin]

dont think thats most efficient, but also dont really know how its relevant to my question xd

[coral ibex]

it is more efficient than stepping to an ally and running in

but ok

[drifting basin]

why not both

[coral ibex]

nobody except other immune melees will be close enough to step to

[drifting basin]

thats not true at all

[coral ibex]

ok i’m not really gonna fight you on this

[drifting basin]

sweet

[cobalt sphinx]

Lol

[coral ibex]

good luck with your broken mouseover

[cobalt sphinx]

Bro is tripping

[coral ibex]

it’s a skill issue

your macro is correct

[drifting basin]

why is this guy mad

from a simple question

[coral ibex]

who’s mad

[cobalt sphinx]

Stepping ansurek is objectively correct and you are pushing back blud

[coral ibex]

i answered you and you said i don’t think that’s right

[cobalt sphinx]

That’s weird

[coral ibex]

the macro isn’t broken

[vivid mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-20558144

[coral ibex]

you are getting skill checked on the hover

[stark radish]

what is the best trinket for m+ and for raid. at the moment?

[drifting basin]

im not progging mythic ansurek, you only get 1 pull on hc if you play with a decent group so why not step away and then step ansurek

its objectively most efficeint

[vivid mulch]

Bro why is ret so freaking broken

nerf plz

[arctic socket]

In higher keys I gap rets 😭 in lower keys they destroy my dps

[hollow stone]

tbf, if you're only getting 1 wrest, heroic is heavily farm for you so the 1 sec of downtime you gain isn't going to matter at all

[drifting basin]

obviously, its not like it matters at all

which is why im wondering why this is being discussed at all

[hollow stone]

yea

[coral ibex]

i shared a tip and you got stun locked

[wind portal]

assuming i dont overcap energy and the target lives, does it matter what energy i pool to before i start envenoming again? do you lose any dam from waiting longer?

[hollow stone]

not really, no

general rule of thumb is that if you arent overcapping on anything, you're not losing dmg

cps, energy, holding cds, etc

[coral ibex]

in theory you should finish a fight having just spent your last 30 energy on envenom

[hollow stone]

that too ^

[coral ibex]

so maximize envenom casts without dropping uptime

[drifting basin]

your tip is irrelevant. im wondering why my macro sends me to my target instead of my mouseover, that's all

[hollow stone]

if you target that mob you were mousing over, can you step to it?

some npcs are not step-able

[drifting basin]

yes

[hollow stone]

kk

could be a blizz setting maybe?

[arctic socket]

I’m not familiar with how macros work, but you’re doing @target which would be why it’s chosing the dummy isn’t there like a @ cursor thing?

[hollow stone]

maybe see if you have mouseover in blizz options on or off and try the other

[drifting basin]

@ cursor is usually for aoe abilities, like Death and Decay, so you drop the aoe at the cursor instead of at player or whatever

but obviously there is something wrong with my syntax

but not sure how to fix it

[arctic socket]

Yeah idk, thought @ cursor would step you to where your mouse is hovering

[stray adder]

@drifting basin

#showtooltip Shadowstep
/use [@mouseover, nodead, exists][] Shadowstep

[hollow stone]

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover, exists] [@target, exists] 
Shadowstep

[arctic socket]

Both of those look exetremly different

Which one will work

To

[stray adder]

mine

[hollow stone]

find out next time... on dragonball ZEEEEEEEEEEEEE

spoiler: they both should work

[drifting basin]

why the fuck are neither working for me

MADGE

[stray adder]

sounds like a code 18

[drifting basin]

actually does

hmmge

[keen quiver]

yo guys a question is there a macro for tricks to auto use on the tank ?

[hollow stone]

did you check your options? mouseover off?

[coral ibex]

!tott

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[iron valve]

as a debug, you could make a macro for

/use [@mouseover,exists] Shadowstep

and see if the icon changes while your mouse is over a target

[hollow stone]

it could potentially be your sstep bind too, sometimes if you have a modifier (like alt or shift) it gets.... iffy

[stray adder]

like Applejuicce said, do you have this

set to anything

in your options

[arctic socket]

Click the box

Then retry

[drifting basin]

still doesn't work

susge

[hollow stone]

mine is unchecked and the macro I posted works but it's worth testing

[coral ibex]

you shouldn’t need a macro with that toggled

[keen quiver]

thx and just for me binding the macro then installing the wa and then it always auto do it on tank right ?

[coral ibex]

yes

[keen quiver]

ok thy

[brittle lynx]

Which raidbot settings should i be using for simming for M+

[stray adder]

dungeon slice

[brittle lynx]

Thanks. I didnt even know that one existed

[stray adder]

it involves a short boss fight followed by packs of enemies of varying sizes and health amounts

[ornate harbor]

I have anub trinket and Void HC trinket.
Got 626 dagger and 636 dagger.

Vault gave me egg trinket 616 og a myth dagger 623.

Any tips what to take?

[spice spire]

A simmer it I’ve ever seen one

[iron valve]

socket angle

[vocal cradle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fleet crest]

Should I craft pants or an offhand? (This is my alt) I have 554 pants and a 606 champion track offhand

[prisma sundial]

#showtooltip Deathmark
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Deathmark

[spice spire]

Pants

[prisma sundial]

this macro wouldnt cast DM for some reason?

[spice spire]

Offhand doesn’t do anything crazy

But pants are also a tier slot

[fleet crest]

yeah thats what I was thinking

[spice spire]

So idk about that one either big dog

[fleet crest]

Thats why I thought i'd ask lol

[lethal heart]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[spice spire]

My honest advice is like ring or something, sucks but you definitely want tier on your pants, no need to waste crests there

[fleet crest]

well I'm only making 619 and i have like 4 sparks. I can still earn like 750 crests so i have some wiggle room. I just want to be a decent enough ilvl to get into 8s

[jaunty lotus]

Do we have any way to avoid the pull on last boss of Ara Kara aside from cloaking it?

[spice spire]

You can step but that’s really really really time specific

[polar timber]

is it an alt? do you have harbinger of the runed

[violet jackal]

Walk into a puddle?

[spice spire]

I assume they’re trying to not

[clever sapphire]

macro step to someone you trust that they are safe, step in the last milisecond, pray

[jaunty lotus]

Can't do that, dks love having grabby hands out

Fucking died twice to a DK pulling the add yesterday

[spice spire]

Just step to the dk then

[violet jackal]

The adds get one shot by throw knife kill one at the edge before it gets gripped

[spice spire]

Since they never have yo use a puddle

[fleet crest]

it is an alt, i do not have harbinger on this character. I was thinking I make the off hand and then get AOTC and pick pants

[violet jackal]

That too

[jaunty lotus]

Is there a rule for the step to be safe? Like step at 0.5 on the cast?

[pale socket]

Midpull. Gotta be fast af boi

[violet jackal]

Before the explosion

[jaunty lotus]

Will it cancel the pull?

[pale socket]

Yes

[spice spire]

If the pull is done

[cobalt sphinx]

harbinger of the runed on your main will discount runed crest upgrades on your alt which makes gearing very easy

[jaunty lotus]

Ok

[spice spire]

And you step before explosion

You’re chill

[jaunty lotus]

Well I have two charges, can play around with the timing

[fleet crest]

oh yeah i have it on my main, let me see what upgrade costs look like

[jaunty lotus]

Ty folks

[pale socket]

godspeed

[fleet crest]

Oh yeah look at that, its 10 instead of 15

[spice spire]

And valor stone cost is way down

Hell yeah

[lime vessel]

Guys does anyone have info on the shard of azzinoth from TW? is it dogwater?

[spice spire]

Ye dog water

[cobalt sphinx]

not very good but it's probably not bad if it's a mainhand ilvl upgrade

[lime vessel]

Aight thanks lads

[maiden lake]

are the nerfs noticable ?

[jovial plinth]

hay, quick question, which combopoints do get empowered ? is it fixxed or random ?

from shiv*

[spice spire]

Wat nerfs

[spice spire]

No specific

[maiden lake]

we got nerfed today

[spice spire]

New er is just 2+ whatever you finish

[spice spire]

Unless I’m missing a blue post I think you’re mistaken friend

[cobalt sphinx]

did we really

[subtle tundra]

I love propaganda

[jovial plinth]

ahh so i actually dont have to track it

[spice spire]

Ye

[pale socket]

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/class-tuning-incoming-–-6-december/480793

[maiden lake]

yh

nerfed

[subtle tundra]

Lol

[cobalt sphinx]

dec 6 2023 holy

[subtle tundra]

That's 23

[spice surge]

Thats december 2023

[subtle tundra]

Get fucked

[pale socket]

lmfao

[spice spire]

December,
Aberrus and 223

$9’t

Holy

[pale socket]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-weak-sauce-im-ded-dead-i'm-dead-gif-9570163115388730270

[arctic socket]

We all know sin is getting buffed