assassination

[spice spire]

Ahh

Shattman isn’t even top 50 racist WoW players for me

[balmy condor]

probably true

[spice surge]

Brother why is there a list

[spiral rain]

I kinda just feel weak af, and hit a wall. trying to push t8 delve to gear up, i can do it super slow but it feels painful af. To be fair just started gearing today so things are kinda not in place but i feel like I am getting clapped even in mythic 0.

[lethal arrow]

who tf is #1

[merry bison]

Kanye > Kendrick

easy clear

[spice surge]

Wowcrendor looking ass list of pointless things in wow

[balmy condor]

delves as assa are pretty rough in general

[spice spire]

Erm

[balmy condor]

would try to get into heroic dungeons first, get your crests

[cobalt sphinx]

rogue is not very good at solo content, you want to stealth as much of the delve as you can and you can even blind and vanish some objectives

[lethal arrow]

find some buddies to run with

[balmy condor]

then go from there

heroic into m0 is pretty smooth

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[balmy condor]

there's decent overlap

[spiral rain]

how do you guys deal with not being able to usually restealth between packs in mythics?

[balmy condor]

vanish

[merry bison]

dying

[lethal arrow]

we suck it up and vanish

[balmy condor]

or just get a rupture/gar up on the new target

and caustic/CT does most of the work

[lethal arrow]

or rupture everything the old fashioned way

[marble hemlock]

hearthstone

[karmic crystal]

Just sighing loudly on voice while I fan of knives rupture

[lethal arrow]

this rogue still puts bleeds on mythic trash the old fashioned way

[merry bison]

pray for shadowmeld to work because my vanish is 100% off cd

[balmy condor]

carnage was a mistake to add

I'm gonna say it

[marble hemlock]

wow

[karmic crystal]

All the stealth talents are

I’m gonna say it

[marble hemlock]

finally agreeing with me eh?

i remember you fighting me on that a year ago

[winged widget]

because the mechanic itself is bad or because it makes people cry about re-stealths?

[merry bison]

we used to pray for times like this

[balmy condor]

both

[spiral rain]

if caustic spatter also spread the dots from your target that'd be awesome

[balmy condor]

idk bout that

that's just carnage but all the time

and then dots would do even less

[spiral rain]

brother im cookin

[balmy condor]

we would just returrn to the dark ages of raid build in m+

[karmic crystal]

It’s something that it feels like will go on the list of things that will be made a baseline qol fix or deleted completely in an expansion or 2

[winged widget]

would it just be an angle of the dots actually doing dmg instead of being mere energy fuel?

[balmy condor]

(literally last tier)

[spice surge]

Who let bro into the kitchen

[lethal arrow]

go even further back and just play outlaw in m+ because every group needed one

[proud pelican]

Caustic should spread kingsbanes

[spiral rain]

facts

[drowsy hatch]

caustic should spread your cheeks

[spice spire]

Get these dudes out of here (the kitchen)

[drowsy hatch]

[balmy condor]

well I also thought they would lean into the whole sanguine blades and energy stuff, which would've made bleed spreading interesting

[spice spire]

Need caustic

[balmy condor]

but uh

yeah

[strange python]

is transmitter over simming?

[balmy condor]

no

[spice spire]

No

[marble hemlock]

ye well

bad RNG

go next

[balmy condor]

unlucky

[strange python]

bet. just see warcraft logs not many sin rogues using it

[balmy condor]

welcome to the age of 170% envenom uptime

[drowsy hatch]

transmitter sims great its just annoying

[cobalt sphinx]

it's about as good as skardyns but a billion times more annoying

[balmy condor]

that's cause it's cringe and skardyns is able to be macro'd

[proud pelican]

What would be an alternative to carnage with our current setup that wouldn’t giga slow down our opener?

[peak musk]

!pool

[balmy condor]

nothing, just delete it

[spice spire]

Based

No more key logs

Only freedom

[winged widget]

for the same reason branch was better at sims than the smoldy trinket, but people used the smoldy trinket because fuck collecting orbs at delayed times to extend the buff. just macro and gg.

[quasi stump]

playing ff14 instead

[spice spire]

Nop

[balmy condor]

playing maplestory instead

[strange python]

ive been farming for a skardyns all xpac man. im so unlucky but also lucky getting a myth sac from vault. i do see some gamers going crazy with spyglass and sac which i do have

[neat yoke]

My rogue got trinket luck but had to run GB 60~ times to get H skardyns so I feel you there...

On my druid that is. I feel like alts always have the best loot luck for some reason

[winged widget]

Its to compensate for having to play that mess of a class that cant get a half decent class tree despite 10 attempts at reworking it

[neat yoke]

Very unfortunate. Feral mains have a mental fortitude I'll never achieve.

[violet berry]

what ways can you apply a poison to buff kingsbane?

[strange python]

from your lethal poisons

[lethal arrow]

[violet berry]

Just from you weapons poisons and shiv?

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah and you can increase your application chance with envenom

[violet berry]

So if the mob already is affected by my poison it could still hit again?

[hardy crypt]

deadly poison refreshes

[violet berry]

What about using that poison gun does that work?

[hardy crypt]

amplifying poison stacks

[violet berry]

I forget the name

[dawn heath]

so

[winged widget]

Poison gun?

[balmy condor]

very based game

[hardy crypt]

💀

[violet berry]

Holup lemme find the name

[hardy crypt]

sounds sick ngl

[dawn heath]

i had a power shortage and when i launched wow again alll my settings have been reset to default. now i experience "lag" but its juts spell queueing i think? its queueing wrong ability constantly? do u guys know what the base spellqueue latency is? and how do i change it?

[violet berry]

It’s like a ranged thing you apply both of your positions

Poisons

[cobalt sphinx]

it works but it's not worth it

[lethal arrow]

yeah maybe if they fixed the pitched system

[cobalt sphinx]

poisoned knife

[lethal arrow]

love being gated by a literal slot machine

[balmy condor]

just drop pitchies? whats the issue

[violet berry]

Thought it was a gun or something lmao

[balmy condor]

[idle radish]

i use all my tea charges and still have no energy for ST bosses in M+, do i just suck

[violet berry]

Ok ya poisoned knife

[balmy condor]

no, you're playing assassination

[idle radish]

it feels SO BAD

[hardy crypt]

yeah poisoned knife applies your poison but you dont really use it at all

[idle radish]

and my boss dam is ASS

[winged widget]

We never use it

[balmy condor]

correct, m+ single target is bad

[violet berry]

Even to buff kingsbane?

[lethal arrow]

[winged widget]

ASSassination. Feels appropriate

[balmy condor]

[hardy crypt]

yeah not even that

[violet berry]

Ok

[balmy condor]

I boomed a zerked last event, haven't seen eyepatch all year

[dawn heath]

What spell queue do u guys paly with?

[balmy condor]

very cool

[lethal arrow]

that was my first sos

im stuck on 1 set

LOL

[balmy condor]

same

but it's aight

I'm duo progging

so it's a vibe

[violet berry]

Just been casually using kingsbane and deathmark and not really knowing wtf it’s doing

[lethal arrow]

im on weekly boss log in simulator

i cba after libbing

[violet berry]

I just press

[cobalt sphinx]

you could increase the damage of kingsbane but it is not an overall damage increase over using mutilate instead

[violet berry]

Ok that makes sense

[balmy condor]

yeh we haven't libbed yet, super slow. Mostly just an excuse to game with the bro and vibe in discord for a couple hours ya know

less about the pitch or the lib

[hardy crypt]

its probably the main thing you need to learn, at least on single target

[balmy condor]

just about good company

piss chilling

[hardy crypt]

deathmark doubles your poisons so it doubles how fast kingsbane stacks

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna try and beat him to 9500 legion

[violet berry]

Ya I just feel like it isn’t clear how to buff the damage of it

[hardy crypt]

and kingsbane gets buffed by shiv too

[balmy condor]

we're at 9100 atm

[violet berry]

Or I’m just dumb

[lethal arrow]

it was my main game for the last year or so until i started wow again

[winged widget]

Also tue envenom buff to increase the chance of applying said poisons

[cobalt sphinx]

you kinda just play normally plus shiv and tea

[hardy crypt]

yeah you buff it by having envenom buff up

[cobalt sphinx]

and vanish

[hardy crypt]

and just attacking the mob

[violet berry]

Ok so going into a kingsbane window without envenom first is dumb ya?

[hardy crypt]

like you normally would

[hardy crypt]

yes

[lethal arrow]

i am truly too lazy to go past 8600 lol, i hate making alts so much in MS

[violet berry]

Ok that’s a mistake I’ve been making

[balmy condor]

I hate making alts in every game except ms for some reason, I loved the journey to 8k

[hardy crypt]

you need to have envenom up ALWAYS during kingsbane

[violet berry]

Anyone play around that hero talent that gives you a nature damage buff after deathmark falls off?

[lethal arrow]

i tried a boss mule and i think id rather waterboard myself than have to gear and boss on it

[hardy crypt]

nope, just ignore it

[violet berry]

Heard

[balmy condor]

I have 14 akechi mules

[hardy crypt]

ignore shiv outside kingsbane too

its one of the main mistakes i was making early

[idle radish]

TTK gotta be overrated in M+ too

[hardy crypt]

shiv is purely there to buff last 8 seconds of your kingsbane

[violet berry]

Last question why do we use shiv before kingsbane if the whole point is to apply it to kingsbane.

[lethal arrow]

prob for the better, i grinded like 160b before i libbed only to spend like 2b to hit everything so the rest is sitting there for ssf for my arcanes

[violet berry]

And why do we use it 7 secs remaining

[winged widget]

Shiv lasts 8 seconds

[hardy crypt]

kingsbane lasts 14 secs

and 2 tiems shiv lasts 16 sec

[violet berry]

So the application is irrelevant it’s just when it ticks

[hardy crypt]

so you can apply it just before you use kingsbane

[winged widget]

Kingsbane has a ramp dmg. So its stronger at the end.

[idle radish]

100% shiv uptime

[winged widget]

If you have only 1 shiv charge, you prioritize buffing the stronger half of KB, the last 8 seconds

[hardy crypt]

you waste the first 1 sec of shiv, but it still covers the whole kingsbane

[winged widget]

If you have 2 Charges, you cover the entire KB window

[balmy condor]

[hardy crypt]

and if you used kingsbane first, the first 1 sec or so before you cast shiv would be shiv-less

[violet berry]

Ok I didn’t know about the ramp of shiv

Well I guess it makes sense

Not shiv

Kingsbane

[lethal arrow]

he'd vomit on how much i spent to 22 most of my gear

[hardy crypt]

yeah kingsbane in second 10 deals like

[lethal arrow]

I've boomed MAYBE 5 pieces in total

[hardy crypt]

a loooot more than kingsbane in second 1

[balmy condor]

where source

[lethal arrow]

and all thats left are my arcanes

[hardy crypt]

so if you only have 1 shiv always cast it for the last 8 seconds of kingsbane

[violet berry]

Ok cool thanks

Ok

[balmy condor]

I boomed 4 twilight marks

[lethal arrow]

source was a deserved boom, 22'ed 1 dom and 1 sup gollux to xfer without fails

[balmy condor]

I went from zak eye to zerked

it was so cursed

[lethal arrow]

i was due so hard for the biggest boom of my life

[hardy crypt]

btw, roughly how many ilvls is a socket worth now?

on a belt for example

[balmy condor]

like 3

[hardy crypt]

alrighty thanks

[balmy condor]

yeh that's karma fr

[lethal arrow]

yeah it was so fking deserved after some of the shit ive done

[balmy condor]

brother

[lethal arrow]

[balmy condor]

tapping the 1 pap mark is vile

I KNOW you didn't have dupes for that mfer

[lethal arrow]

no

i did not

LOL

oh it gets worse

[balmy condor]

[lethal arrow]

ill let you guess which soul here i put on the gene wep to hit 3% atk

[balmy condor]

is that a mag kalos

[lethal arrow]

first kalos soul i've ever made

[balmy condor]

[lethal arrow]

[balmy condor]

dude go buy a scratcher

[lethal arrow]

im due for the worst fucking series of booms in my life

[idle radish]

https://tenor.com/view/big-aj-big-justice-boom-costco-guys-gif-13543695932005238540

[shy marten]

click on their rio runs and you can see their gear from the run

[cursive frost]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[hardy crypt]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lethal arrow]

Everytime you spend gildeds to upgrade ur gear it should have a chance to blow up

🙂

[shy marten]

i agree

[drowsy hatch]

but you should be able to buy something for cash that reduces that chance

[pliant remnant]

They should sell Myth track Skardyn's Grace for 90 buckeroos

[cobalt sphinx]

If they remove the cap then i’m all for it

[coral ibex]

im honestly surprised they didnt put the t2 mog sets in the shop

[cobalt sphinx]

That’d be fun and it’d give people a reason to log in

[lone coral]

queen's mandate is aids

i hate these casting trinkets for melee with only instant cast skills, we have enough to deal with

especially this class with the most convoluted rotation lol

where in whyspr's WA does it show Darkest Night being active or not?

I don't see it listed / as an icon anywhere

I also dont know how to see "the last 8 seconds" of Kingsbane

Am I literally supposed to do my rotation and count to 6 in my head after using kingsbane then use shiv?

what the fuck is this class 😂

ret paladin can do 4 million dps with 3 buttons, and i'm doing goddamn calculus over here for a fraction of that power

[modern rover]

Hey guys, I have a question! When I check sites like Archon or Murloc, I often see players wearing the tier set chest piece. Personally, I think it might be better to go with the four-set bonus and then use the Necrotic Wake Crit/Mastery chest or Grim Batol Crit/Mastery chest instead of the tier chest. Do you think there's a specific reason for this choice? Is it because the chest needs to have Versatility, or is it more common to use Mythic gear converted into a tier piece?

[spice surge]

It doesnt matter

[lone coral]

SIM it.

I'm a shit rogue, but the answer is just to sim it

simulationcraft --> raidbots

[normal mist]

Proud of you homie

[spice spire]

Stats aren’t a huge thing since we love all stars.
It’s not like others where we just crave x bajillion or certain things and avoid others like the plague, we use them all.
Chances are they had a myth piece cheat for 4p then got another myth piece but haven’t gotten the correct piece to have or that’s the correct piec robot tell me number

[modern rover]

Also, items like the Sureki necklace, Rashanan cloak, and Ansurrek ring don’t seem to rank very high in sims or statistics. Do you think it’s still worth using them for their special effects, or would it be better to just go with gear that has the preferred secondary stats, like Crit/Mastery?

[slate crown]

His 7th combo point gains a purple glow to it when you have it active telling you that that is the combo poitn to aim for

[slate crown]

!wa Whispyr's shiv weakaura glows when KB is up and shiv needs to be applied (including the last 8 seconds check).

If you want another way to visualize it, you can look at Kingsbane Timeline in the LE Collection link

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[spice spire]

Is this

Self promotion in the year of our lord 2024?

[slate crown]

is it?

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

You tell me, LE. And speak clearly into the microphone.

[normal mist]

Sim angle, but let's keep in mind those are rare items, not everyone and their mothers have them

[slate crown]

Oh that's what that is I thought u were just happy to see me

[spice spire]

HUH

[slate crown]

[spice spire]

I’m always happy to see you LE, you’re such a helpful person

[balmy condor]

Pause

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/qeliameow-cat-paw-cats-paw-dance-gif-3807241812430059413

[spice spire]

Pausing

[slate crown]

pawsing

[normal mist]

Loading

[balmy condor]

You’re ALWAYS happy to see her?

every time?

[spice spire]

R u not

[balmy condor]

This is why they pick the bear man

[spice spire]

She’s helpful and a delight

Oh you fuck

[normal mist]

LOOOOL

[spice spire]

I hate you

[livid ruin]

Does anybody know a weakaura pack that tracks the multiple envenom durations? Or how would I set this up for my own ui?

[spice spire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[spice spire]

Le and whispyr both do

[normal mist]

With that I'll go to sleep, enough internet for today

[slate crown]

TRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[normal mist]

(I'll wake up in 5h)

[spice spire]

I take it back, found one time I’m not happy

[umbral sierra]

ight what is recommended ilvl for m+ 10

ik u can be goated and be like 600 ilvl but what are u guys taking and not taking ilvl wise to ur 10s

[still stirrup]

At least 620 for pugs

[balmy condor]

There’s like a flood of 630’s applying

So like unless you’re high io

Probably that

[still stirrup]

Probably won't get invited though

[quasi stump]

did my first key on ret pal

holy moly this spec is fun

[still stirrup]

Be 630 and have 3k io and you might have a chance

[quasi stump]

thats for every DPS spec this season

[lethal arrow]

I'm 632 and I get insta invited

And the pool is usually 625s

[mossy sundial]

if youre pugging, high io and 630

if youre in a group, 610+ is fine

they arent hard but gear checks make it a lot easier for when mistakes happen

[hardy crypt]

is fatebound worth it for ST? it sims around 1440k compared to deathstalker's 1410k for me

i know its rng and has less defensive value but 30k seems huge

have any of you tried it out?

[balmy condor]

I play it on kyveza

[wispy epoch]

]]]why

is outlaw

rising above us

[hardy crypt]

do you need to play around it in a way? or is it the same rotation but you just don't have darkest night

[wispy epoch]

on the tier list...

WHAT IS GOING ON

i guess vers main stat is pretty good for keys...

[spice spire]

Tier list

[quasi stump]

never trust the tier list

[balmy condor]

Vanish the last stack of cold blood for double flip, macro cold blood to kingsbane

[wispy epoch]

tier list based on keystone throughput*

[quasi stump]

play whats fun

[wispy epoch]

someone told me to macro cold blood to envenom

did i get trolled

[balmy condor]

Yes

[hardy crypt]

lmao

[balmy condor]

That guy is an idiot

[hardy crypt]

me

yes

[wispy epoch]

well so am i but

[balmy condor]

Macroing cb to envenom is legit like -4%

It’s horrid

[wispy epoch]

@balmy condor i am a believer of yours, and i totally get not going sanguine blades, but crimson tempest feels like it does SO much overall dps for me in keys

[hardy crypt]

why is it better for kingsbane 😭

it doesn't snap it to always crit right

am i missing something

[balmy condor]

It’s a timing thing

You need cold blood to match edge case

[analog idol]

im just learning ass from outlaw are u just always energy starved in ST?

[balmy condor]

Macroing to envenom fucks the timing

[hardy crypt]

ooo okay, makes sense

[wispy epoch]

yes

you just play slower and try to chain envenoms

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah, and it still will

[severe sparrow]

does tricks do anything on rashanan adds? feels like it doesnt but i cant actuall tell cuz there's like 15 of them or some shit

[balmy condor]

[wispy epoch]

it's just so weird that our build is double vanish with improved garrote, but sanguine blades isn't taken....

[balmy condor]

You have to tricks rash adds?

[hardy crypt]

lmao

[balmy condor]

That’s actual hell

[wispy epoch]

they should be dying in 3 globals

bro

[hardy crypt]

dw fury warrior will get all the aggro

tricks won't do shit

[severe sparrow]

we dont have a war lol

[wispy epoch]

adds go fan out circles on top boss edge

[hardy crypt]

what a lucky soul you are

youre allowed to do damage on that fight

[wispy epoch]

hey y'all need a fury warrior?

[hardy crypt]

im jealous

[severe sparrow]

but yeah they die pretty fast but i get melee'd by them now and then

[wispy epoch]

what're your raid times @severe sparrow

ill solve your problem

[balmy condor]

Tricksing rash add sounds like cruel and unusual punishment ngl

[severe sparrow]

m/t 8pm-12am eastern

lmao

[wispy epoch]

ToT isn't a gcd use

so it's not that bad

[wispy epoch]

link me the guild real quick

DM me

those times actually work good for me

wait 4 hrs

[hardy crypt]

one more question, why just kyveza?

[balmy condor]

fatebound in aoe sucks

[hardy crypt]

ah ok

[wispy epoch]

it's bis on ST and Silkran probably you want the surviability of the other

[hardy crypt]

fair, thank you ^^

[balmy condor]

what

[real onyx]

hey guys

[balmy condor]

sikran is legit a nothing boss

you don't need shit on that

[real onyx]

if i reapply garrote when there are 6 seconds or less left on improved garrote

[balmy condor]

play fatebound on it if you want

[real onyx]

does it add on the increased dmg?

[balmy condor]

I don't even bother swapping off of caustic going to sikran

boss is an actual joke

[balmy condor]

no

damage is always from new application

[wispy epoch]

silkran would kill me b/c i was using cloak of shadows for the intermission thing to greed

and then not have it for like, getting targeted straight into the dot

[real onyx]

okay ty i was worried abt that

so only reapply baby garrotte when imrpvoed is over

[balmy condor]

yes

[real onyx]

ty ty

[balmy condor]

and that's..... scary?

[hardy crypt]

we believe in feint

feint believers rise up

[lone coral]

guys i think I have to give up

[wispy epoch]

feint is a dps loss

[lone coral]

😦

[wispy epoch]

sorry sir

[slate crown]

do not give up

[lone coral]

I tried in a few m0s to be an assassin rogue... but im doing like 500k dps overall

im complete potato

[hardy crypt]

m0s are hell

[slate crown]

Even potatoes can make rainbows shine

[hardy crypt]

you ramp up damage a lot

if targets die too quickly your dps will suck

[slate crown]

you'll be a beautiful potato one day I believe just keep pushing higher

[hardy crypt]

even on 9s without forti i feel like im playing a different spec

[severe sparrow]

ok wait but tricks does work then?

[hardy crypt]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[mild crane]

Yo guys, might be the dumbest question ever but using skardyns grace en tempered potion after DM in a macro, is that bad or a bigdps loss?

[real onyx]

anyone got a wa for the shiv timing during kingsbane? I had one but lost it

[hardy crypt]

you can make a macro where it uses dm, skardyns and potion all at once

and uhh

[slate crown]

!wa LE collection has a timeline.

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[slate crown]

Or LE group and Whispyr's group

[hardy crypt]

i only do dm+skardyns and potion on another keybind

[slate crown]

Shiv's icon glows when to use it during KB

for both of us

[hardy crypt]

because i play a lot of m+ and hmm

[mild crane]

Yeye same, but on warcrafts logs i noticed everyone using skardyns before deathmark, so i waswondering maybe that mastery buff the deathmark but not when it comes after deathmark u feel me?

[hardy crypt]

nope, it doesn't snap

for example if u skardyns like 10s before deathmark

10s of deathmark will be buffed

and then when skardyns runs out it will be unbuffed

if thats what u mean

[mild crane]

Yeye u got it covered, thougt i was wasting so much damage by putting the trink/pot behind DM in macro :p

[hardy crypt]

im a cheapass and i dont want to use tempered potion every 3 deathmarks, even when i run low keys, for example

i only use potions on log runs and high m+

and using a macro would mean i waste a whole lot more of potions lmao

so i have a separate keybind

but if you dont care, just bind all three to one keybind

at the same time

[mild crane]

ye agree, i have different actionbar setups in raid+high m+ keys which use macro with potion and low m+ dont x)

[hardy crypt]

yeah thats smart

[real onyx]

tyty

[hardy crypt]

prob the smartest way you can do that

[warm imp]

!tott

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[hardy crypt]

how does this macro work btw

idk if im braindead but

[coral ibex]

you need the weakaura

[hardy crypt]

ohh okay

[coral ibex]

the macro 'clicks' the weakaura button

[hardy crypt]

yeah i didnt have the weakaura and i was like wth why doesnt it work

using the focus one like a dumbass

ty

[subtle cipher]

This looks so fucking weird

[hardy crypt]

poor iron wire

what did it do to you

[subtle cipher]

You can skip it on 4 dungs

Otherwise drop sd for it

[hardy crypt]

idk even without heavy casting mobs

15% damage debuff feels too good to just ditch for me

[subtle cipher]

Cot, mists, dawn, ara

[hardy crypt]

i might be dumb tho

[subtle cipher]

Get a decent tank

[fresh kelp]

well certainly 3 of those have casters that spam bolts

[subtle cipher]

Quick them, those are the dungs ppl are not running iron wire

[tiny valley]

If playing forced induction, do we ever hold our shiv for darkest night envenom?

[hardy crypt]

use shiv only with kingsbane

[tiny valley]

but what about second shiv during kb window?

is it worth it to try and time that out or nah?

[hardy crypt]

not sure what you mean

[real onyx]

does plague spread through our nature spread

[hardy crypt]

if you have 2 shiv charges you want to just cover your kingsbane window

[real onyx]

caustic

[hardy crypt]

if you have one shiv charge you want to cover last 8sec of kingsbane

[tiny valley]

100%, and first one will always be followed by KB

[hardy crypt]

forced induction doesn't change that

[tiny valley]

but your second one has a chance to possibly empower a darkest night env

let's say we are on 1 or 2 charges

[hardy crypt]

hmm

[tiny valley]

is it worth it to delay for it

is the question i'm thinking of

[hardy crypt]

so you want to hold onto dn to get it into the kingsbane window?

[tiny valley]

hold onto shiv

[subtle cipher]

No

[tiny valley]

instead of just maximizing KB window

[subtle cipher]

You want it to consume dn asap

[hardy crypt]

oh

okay

[hardy crypt]

i know

[subtle cipher]

You even let rupture drop if needed

[hardy crypt]

im not asking whats the optimal play

[hardy crypt]

so like

[subtle cipher]

[hardy crypt]

in that situation your dn envenom will be just after your shiv drops

[tiny valley]

ya, do we hold shiv to line this up or is it not worth it?

[hardy crypt]

and youre asking whether its worth it to delay your shiv a second or so

so that it covers not only the last seconds of kb, but also the dn proc

hmm

[tiny valley]

yup yup!

[hardy crypt]

seems super niche hahah

and a good question probably

[tiny valley]

ya, it's prob very min max, but i was curious

[hardy crypt]

envenoms are huge with dn but so is kingsbane

[subtle cipher]

[hardy crypt]

id say its worth it but i might be tripping

largest kingsbane procs are like around 2m for me

and the ones in the middle are lower + might not be crits

so not buffing the nature damage of one kingsbane tick feels worth it

[arctic tusk]

skardyns vs transmitter have any worth than each other on silken

[fresh kelp]

if you only have one shiv charge doing shiv DN one second too early in kb seems very worth

[hardy crypt]

since kingsbane tick deals 1.5m lets say and envenom with dn deals much more than that

[hardy crypt]

prob less since its one of the middle ones youd miss with the buff

[tiny valley]

ya i'm thinking when you run 2 shivs

how to handle the 2nd one, since the first will always be for KB

[hardy crypt]

youre essentially skipping buffing one-two 1m kingsbane ticks to buff an envenom that can deal 6m or more

i feel like its a good minmax

i think you might be cooking

hmmm but also

not sure about kingsbane with deathmark

[tiny valley]

i think it depends largely on where you deathstalker count is

[hardy crypt]

cause shiv also buffs your bleed damage

in ST build

so it also buffs all your deathmark stuff

improved garrote

and all that

[tiny valley]

if you are at 1 i think it's super worth holding one more env

but if you are at 2, it's questionable

3 for sure no

[hardy crypt]

id say its that when your in naked kingsbane

but deathmark kingsbane, idk

youre not buffing a lot of dots

to buff that envenom

[kindred crescent]

what do i do if something pops stealth right before pull in raid should i vanish right away?

[hardy crypt]

both are great, transmitter usually sims better but it's much more of a hassle to use

[kindred crescent]

I am running death stalker

[hardy crypt]

you need a separate keybind, use it at some point before your cds and you need to do the silly minigame

so i prefer just running skardyns

[hardy crypt]

is there stuff that destealths you before pull in raid?

if you dont have stealth on pull youre in a really bad spot but yeah, id vanish asap to get the mark on

alternatively you could wait until the last 5 seconds of kingsbane to buff it with master assassin

that way it has more crit chance

both are a dps loss though

[kindred crescent]

accidents mostly

sometimes people pull before and I was wondering what to do in that case

[hardy crypt]

ah, okay

well, you can vanish straight away, then youre losing master assassin for last kingsbane ticks

or you can vanish for those last 5s of kingsbane and get the mark then but then youre hitting the boss for like 10-15s without your mark on

id go for the first option

i feel like youre losing less dps that way

[waxen oyster]

option 3:wipe the raid

go agane

[kindred crescent]

thank you I really appreciate the advice

[hardy crypt]

lmao

disconnect your router

[waxen oyster]

I mean you should

[hardy crypt]

nobody will suspect you

[waxen oyster]

just wipe everyone

early puller’s fault

[winged widget]

remember to gaslight people into thinking it was the mage's fault

[hardy crypt]

btw on fuu's sheet

why does outlaw sim like 150k above us

is it the bugged one or

[waxen oyster]

it always sims higher

[hardy crypt]

uhh, why

i get that its rng but

[waxen oyster]

really isnt

high uptime+no mistakes

[hardy crypt]

oh, right

so thats why on logs its consistently behind

but ahead on sims

uptime

makes sense

[silk sundial]

at what key level do ya'll recommend dropping Sudden Demise? I know it loses value as you go up

[waxen oyster]

I mean outlaw has held

rank 1 on the 2 st bosses

of this tier

[hardy crypt]

idk, i gain like 25k single target dps for dropping sudden demise

i feel like its so overrated

[hardy crypt]

dropping it, i mean

it goes from like 1150k to 1175k

[silk sundial]

I havent been using it, and i feel like my dps is lacking in 9s and 10s

[hardy crypt]

yeah if you wanna drop it its in 12+

and your overall dps will be lower

[split flame]

at 6CP with Finality should i finish with envenom or 1. mutilite ->envenom or 2. fan of knives -> envenom to consume the finality buff

[hardy crypt]

but since bosses are the issue on higher keys, not trash

[waxen oyster]

would not drop sd in 10 and below

[hardy crypt]

you drop overall damage to have more damage on bosses, which are more deadly

but its a suuuuper small increase

[long hawk]

When do I want to use cold blood when playing fatebound?

[silk sundial]

Drop TTK for SD then? Also simming Sanguine is a huge increase on dungeon slice

[winged widget]

macro it to KB

[hardy crypt]

plus you need to play master assassin for it to make sense

[waxen oyster]

I mean my highest dslice sim

is dropping bonespike

[indigo chasm]

is there a reason my garrote isnt silencing anymore?

[waxen oyster]

but it also slows down your ramp

[waxen oyster]

you talented out of iron wire

[winged widget]

and during the 2 minute window, Vanish before using the 2nd CB charge

[hardy crypt]

sd + sanguine for anything until 12

[waxen oyster]

for some god forsaken reason

[hardy crypt]

and for 12+, you can go master assassin and ttk

but i feel like its not worth it

its a matter of preference

[silk sundial]

What do i drop for SD and sanguine? Here is my current sim, SB, SD, TTK+MA https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5bUQWBPVG1hKXiwsn9fSRX

[waxen oyster]

the builds are all so close

[hardy crypt]

you get like 2-3% increased st

maybe slightly more

and you lose a lot of aoe

[hardy crypt]

ttk and ma

[silk sundial]

So no MA. Still keep Subt?

[hardy crypt]

wait nvm

im dumb

wait a sec

[waxen oyster]

I mean what are you looking to do

[silk sundial]

m+, 10s and 11s

[waxen oyster]

My highest dslice sim takes ttk and sd

and drops bonespike

but its lower on patchwerk

compared to wowhead build

[silk sundial]

I did a 12 and it hurt, so im focusing on 10s and 11s rn

[waxen oyster]

all those builds are literally fine

[hardy crypt]

yeah

[silk sundial]

I'll try them all out in game, sims can be weird.

[hardy crypt]

we pump in m+ anyway

[waxen oyster]

Dropping bonespike slows down your opener be advised.

[hardy crypt]

you can do some adjustments

[waxen oyster]

As you cannot rupture into another rupture

[hardy crypt]

trade some ST for aoe, trade some overall for more utility

but its a matter of preference, really

[limber coral]

is ttk just for a more comfy timer/duration for envenom?

[silk sundial]

I'll probably keep bonespike since stuff dies fairly fast. One less gcd

[arctic socket]

Don’t drop SBS, I dropped SD for MA and SB for TTK

[hardy crypt]

it allows you to have two at the same time, and all the bonuses from envenom stack

[winged widget]

considering the "keep the double envenom uptime", it doesn't feel any "confier" than usual

[silk sundial]

If I do drop MA, do we still run the 2 stacks of subt?

[hardy crypt]

and yeah it feels more stressful for me too lmao

[winged widget]

I would drop it. Unless your group wants you to be some iron wire bot or something

[arctic socket]

Why would you consider dropping MA

[silk sundial]

For lower keys. SB and SD sim higher at least. Just trying out builds is all

[arctic socket]

Subt extends your ic window…. Ss window more iron wires longer MA uptime

[silk sundial]

I've been running MA

[waxen oyster]

sbs stinky

In all seriousness its not a huge deal

All of them are close.

[hardy crypt]

what do people drop for 2nd subterfuge

or without a trace

[waxen oyster]

lethality

[limber coral]

lethality

[hardy crypt]

lethality?

ok

[silk sundial]

stack of lethality

[arctic socket]

I drop both lethality n pick up double vanish

[silk sundial]

Gonna go run some keys with different builds, see what feels better.

[arctic socket]

Feels good in keys

[waxen oyster]

the hybrid build on wowhead is honestly

[limber coral]

drop rushed setup for shadowrunner too

[waxen oyster]

very good for general user needs

tbh

[hardy crypt]

yeah fair didnt notice that

[visual vault]

i came back to this because ttk feels so bad without dashing for me

[waxen oyster]

Honestly if you aren't getting max value kbs

[limber coral]

if your group needs a faster shroud too you can opt in that aswell for shadowrunner

[waxen oyster]

ttk build likely also feels worse

[silk sundial]

In 10s my KB almost never lasts the full duration

[waxen oyster]

Yeah if you're still learning my suggestion is just play the wowhead hybrid build

that doesnt run ttk or sb

[visual vault]

sadge. i run with a ret pally and by the time my ramp's done trash is already at half.

[hardy crypt]

are there any spreadsheets for how much %dps loss is dropping supercharger/lethality?

[waxen oyster]

Can just topgear sim the talents

[hardy crypt]

thats true

[waxen oyster]

WaT sims higher on dslice for me in both builds

and is slightly worse on patchwerk

[limber coral]

any suggestions or is this fine for 10-12's?

[waxen oyster]

drop doomblade or take bonespike

[vast loom]

i like getting SBS in keys

[waxen oyster]

doomblade sucks ass on its own

[tiny valley]

i swapped sudden demise out for twist the knife as soon as the buff came through

i would swap sanguine for bone spike

[limber coral]

DB for ttk then?

[hardy crypt]

i am probably the biggest master assassin hater in this world

so i would swap ma for sbs

[waxen oyster]

or drop sb for sbs

theres so many ways to play

[hardy crypt]

idk using vanish for your kingsbane

feels so awful to me

you can use vanish in so many cool ways

mobs cast too much? vanish

[limber coral]

is SB that bad it reads well unless I am misunderstanding the benefit's

[hardy crypt]

tank decided to chainpull a lot of mobs all of a sudden? vanish

[tiny valley]

i play subterfuge in those kind of keys

[waxen oyster]

its good

most talents are good

[tiny valley]

ya we have like 10 builds

[keen rover]

Whats sbs? Cant brain

[hardy crypt]

serrated bone spike

right above scent of blood

[keen rover]

Right right ok

[hardy crypt]

idk i fear subterfuge 😭

cause whenever i vanish during packs

i always overuse garrote

for the utility

and i probably lose some dps

[silk sundial]

is there a build that runs dashing in m+ any instance?

[keen rover]

Shit, in a full caster pack Ill garrot till the buff is gone

[hardy crypt]

there are, but youre losing even more aoe

[silk sundial]

Ah, i want aoe

[hardy crypt]

yeah lmao

i have the same issue

i feel like if i played subterfuge id just

end up losing 50% of my dps

cause id just garrote garrote garrote

[minor dagger]

!builds

[hardy crypt]

rupture once in a while

[rotund oak]

idk what u boys been siiming but supercharger is about the same compared to wat.Both are fine in my sims

[tiny valley]

i just garrote after every other env

you end up landing on casts just going off from your first iron wire silence

[waxen oyster]

There's no reason to

5s silence

into dr 2.5s

[hardy crypt]

but if there are like

10 mobs in a pack

or something

i tend to like

want to silence all of them

[tiny valley]

well, i wish i agreed with you but pubs and bad friends exist

[hardy crypt]

instead of dealing damage

[tiny valley]

so just extending multiple silences is just helpful

[hardy crypt]

and if i played subterfuge it would be even more of an issue

[waxen oyster]

you know after the 2nd silence

its only 1.25

and then nothing

[rotund oak]

still breaks the cast

thats all that matters

[silk sundial]

if there are 10 mobs and kick and kidney shot are on cd, I'll garrote sure but thats on other members to cc as well

[rotund oak]

its like throwing a dr'd blind

[hardy crypt]

wait huh

[waxen oyster]

does it actually

after quarter dr

[hardy crypt]

so if i garrote a mob twice

[rotund oak]

if its not immune yes it does

[hardy crypt]

in a row

it only gets 2.5?

[rotund oak]

its a micro cc at that point

[hardy crypt]

silence

[dawn heath]

the 4am 15 stonevault no voice pug timed

what were the odds

[hardy crypt]

i thought dr didnt exist for silences

[waxen oyster]

thought its immune after 3

[hardy crypt]

in pve

[rotund oak]

welcome to high key pushing friend

[rotund oak]

im not exactly in the details though,im saying what it is

just sayin' if its not immune its a micro interrupt

so u go cot and interrupt those bolts,u good coz no one interrupts

[foggy juniper]

this m+ build is so wtf

[hardy crypt]

i feel like youre gaslighting me

if i silence a mob for 5s and in like the last second i use garrote again

[valid sand]

so with without a trace, what is the proper timing for vanish use? save one for the second KB window?

[hardy crypt]

it gets the full silence window, no?

like

two full silences

[waxen oyster]

2.5s

[hardy crypt]

it literally refreshes for the whole duration, im checking that right now 😭

it shows the silence debuff for 5s

even if i use garrote like 4 times

[waxen oyster]

on a mob?

[hardy crypt]

on the same mob

yeah

idk if its bugged

[rotund oak]

[jolly heath]

lol i never see garrote got dr

[hardy crypt]

yeah neither have i

i always used it like that

to keep mobs in chain cc, kind of

and theyd never cast at all

especially if i have boomies or prot palas

[waxen oyster]

silence is definitely a dr school

so idk

[hardy crypt]

in pvp, yeah

[idle radish]

there has to be some bug on 1st boss nw

why is his frontal one shotting me with feint up? i have elusiveness

its only a 13

[rotund oak]

idk,not full hp?

[waxen oyster]

get more gear

[rotund oak]

or that ye

[idle radish]

629

[waxen oyster]

yeah

[rotund oak]

u fluffy

[hardy crypt]

i mean, still

[idle radish]

thats what im saying

[hardy crypt]

feint reduces aoe by 40%

without feint it would have been 10m?

that feels a bit high for a 13

[subtle cipher]

Dont feint, evade, cloak, vanish to fuck someone else

If you get targetted 4 times cry

[waxen oyster]

or you just put it on the dk

who just doesnt die anyway because

nice 8m hp base

[subtle cipher]

That too

[idle radish]

vanishing in a pug

would be HELL

[subtle cipher]

Would be fun

[hardy crypt]

play a night elf too

[subtle cipher]

Playing rogue on high keys is hyper annoying compared to a dk

[hardy crypt]

retch into meld goes hard

[subtle cipher]

Spamming feint for every shit

[rotund oak]

thats toxic me like

[subtle cipher]

So shit

[waxen oyster]

ngl

having to do movement mechs as any melee

then watching dks just

deaths advance

[hardy crypt]

lmao

[waxen oyster]

and rip a bong in place

[subtle cipher]

Lol

[hardy crypt]

i mean, technically you can use shadowstep for some of it

[rotund oak]

dks just facetank everything

[hardy crypt]

if youre brave enough

[rotund oak]

disgustingly tanky

[waxen oyster]

shadowstep requires more brain

[hardy crypt]

yes

like this whole spec

[subtle cipher]

Bro, I was doing a 14 cot, the big mob poison was SHREDDING me

While on my dk i chill

[rotund oak]

ye u ams

[subtle cipher]

Do one dearhstrike maybe and gg

[rotund oak]

no Fs given

[hardy crypt]

boralus 14

last boss

[subtle cipher]

Or ams and gg

[hardy crypt]

is fun too

[subtle cipher]

That dot

[hardy crypt]

you just get oneshot by the fucking debuff lmao

[subtle cipher]

Must kill us on what

2 ticks if not topped?

On a 14

[jolly heath]

Just dwarf and cloak

[waxen oyster]

isnt ams talented to clear debuffs

[hardy crypt]

it oneshot me

[waxen oyster]

still 1min

[hardy crypt]

i didnt use feint once

and just got oneshot

😭

at 631 ilvl

[subtle cipher]

1 shot?

[rotund oak]

it takes 2 ticks to break my mage barrier on a 12

[hardy crypt]

it dealt like 5.7m

in one tick

[subtle cipher]

Lol???

[hardy crypt]

i was 90% hp

[subtle cipher]

Lmao

[rotund oak]

on a 14?

thats wild

5.7mil is down to 5%/proc range

[subtle cipher]

Once i hit 12 i had to pick elusiveness

Just cant

Potato class

[waxen oyster]

need a prot warrior

to babysit with intervene

[dawn heath]

i am so annoyed

[split grail]

Sorry to ask a question that I could jsut look up, but the Lethality nerf and changing talents doesn't effect our rotation at all, does it?

[dawn heath]

class feels laggy again

[hardy crypt]

it was a 13 as well 💀

i just checked

[rotund oak]

[hardy crypt]

the shammy had to like

babysit me the whole fight

cause im a silly little rogue

[subtle cipher]

Its hyper annoying

[iron valve]

https://not-even-close.com/

[rotund oak]

i can alter time one tick,barrier 2nd big barrier 3rd one,still would die

[hardy crypt]

and for some fucking reason all the maxroll guides say we're super tanky

[rotund oak]

no shot i can survive that much dmg

[hardy crypt]

and people still think that idk

I TOLD YA

like

what the fuck is that even 😭

[rotund oak]

[waxen oyster]

pov

not a dwarf dk

[foggy juniper]

this is way im almost commiting full to my war, bro, i was doing the last boss on a 14 siege and i had to feint prehentive the dot if i wanted to had any chance

[rotund oak]

i knew it did alot of dmg but this is unreal

[foggy juniper]

and if i didnt had feint for the slam i was fucked too

its just too squishy

the amount of energy spent on feints :/

[dawn heath]

timed it on 15 today siege

[waxen oyster]

isnt warr even more dead

[dawn heath]

u need to feint before he casts the ability

[waxen oyster]

unless you're prot

[hardy crypt]

did you have a shield on your offhand

or what

[foggy juniper]

yeah

thats what i did on a 14

[dawn heath]

na rogues baseline is one of squishier

[foggy juniper]

and its annoying

[dawn heath]

i did need shamans extra hp + feint to live

but u can game it abit

u see if it goes on u

u position yourself

so u cloak

[foggy juniper]

there is any melee more squishy than us?

[waxen oyster]

enh maybe?

[rotund oak]

i 99% clos 1st one,always

[hardy crypt]

what if you get targeted with it like

10 times in a row

[rotund oak]

that was always the tech in sob

[dawn heath]

u should only cloak if its on you

otherwise ur just wasting it

[rotund oak]

yeah

[hardy crypt]

yeah but what if the rng gods

[foggy juniper]

mail + earth shield? idk

[rotund oak]

ofc if its on u

[hardy crypt]

decide to just

idk

[dawn heath]

i feel like im going crazy though

ever since my game crashed my settings reset

my game has been lagging

[rotund oak]

it does

its sht

they adressed it that game is laggy

[waxen oyster]

mail doesnt stop magic damage

[rotund oak]

and its annoying

[waxen oyster]

actually dh is probs squishier?

since blur is only 20% dr in 2024

[dawn heath]

rogues baseline if u dont press anything is probably the squishiest ingame

we dont have really any big hp pool or passive DR's

but feint is super broken

[rotund oak]

very weak against dots

[foggy juniper]

wasting that much energy on feints :/

[waxen oyster]

Kind of why i feel bad

[dawn heath]

its only a problem on bosses

[waxen oyster]

playing anything that isnt dwarf

nowadays

[hardy crypt]

for aoe direct hits, sure

[foggy juniper]

exactly

our energy is already mediocre on bosses

if you need to spam feint on cd

gg

[waxen oyster]

Well its also the fact this is the squishiest rogue spec

of the 3

[dawn heath]

the lag is really subtle like its almost hard to see it but u can feel it when u play the game

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/j1laI4hkrV9waffpy?invite=cr-MSxtSmksMTcyMzI0NTA1LA tell me if u see any lag here

[foggy juniper]

what dwarf has? idr

[waxen oyster]

stoneform

removes all debuffs when used

[foggy juniper]

tasty

the talk about needing at least 10% haste to not feel shit on raid, true or bs?

[dawn heath]

this lag is making me not want to play the game legit

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/j1le7fQdVbnCBfzKZ?invite=cr-MSxxYmksMTcyMzI0NTA1LA

just see how wonky this is when i quuee my spells

[hardy crypt]

the next time i get oneshot i just swap to outlaw

istg

or go full versatility

one of those two

[foggy juniper]

looks normal to me lol

[dawn heath]

no it doesnt

[foggy juniper]

but i play on 150ms since forever

so it does

[dawn heath]

i usually play with 18 ms

and i had 18 ms

in thi run

its still lagging

[dense hamlet]

are you talking abt spellqueues or gcds not working right?

[dawn heath]

yes but also mobs like freezing in place then not doing aynthing then game catches up kinda if that makes sense

[foggy juniper]

normal day

[dense hamlet]

ye

[dawn heath]

this has happend to me today

its so tilting

[dense hamlet]

ye ive been having this kinda stuff happen i just started to think its instance lag or something and they fucked something up this patch

[dawn heath]

it wasnt happenign to me before yesterday

also

what a chad party

we just tank the debuffs

no decurses here

[dawn heath]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/j1lqAtan4k5JWkQFt?invite=cr-MSwxY3UsMTcyMzI0NTA1LA

look at the mobs here

like this is not normal mob behavior right

or am i tripping