assassination

[waxen oyster]

Stat weights just feel like a thing people like to use

[marble hemlock]

i dont hate them, but after getting bitten by one as a kid and my sister also getting bitten by a big one and almost losing multiple fingers, yeah, im not too big on dogs

[waxen oyster]

to blame personal performance on

[oak tangle]

"if i just had 10% more haste it would feel so different"

[marble hemlock]

i blame them on the healers

my dawnthread uptime (i dont play dawnthread)

[cunning basin]

I only have 27% crit if I just had 3% more I'd do like 100k more DPS

[cunning basin]

Same on both fronts

[real granite]

i think... i havent heard that kind of thing since legion

[umbral sigil]

Is sub a lot better at ST than sin?

[cunning basin]

Are you better at sub or sin

[umbral sigil]

havent touched sub since like....mop

[raw zephyr]

either fix MA bug or fix every other thing breaking us from stealth ty

[cunning basin]

The answer is usually the one you're best at will be the one you perform best with

[marble hemlock]

then youll liekly get more mileage out of assa atm

[waxen oyster]

what bug

Never seen this break out of stealth thing

[cunning basin]

As far as I know when played optimally sub and sin are relatively close, difference is mainly damage/CD profiles

[waxen oyster]

Unlesd you’re taking ticking damage then uhh….

get good

[real granite]

ma does not refresh when restealing if its already applied

[raw zephyr]

when you break out of stealth and go back, MA doesnt reset

[marble hemlock]

happens on mists trash for example

[real granite]

thats the bug

[marble hemlock]

when the mobs convert to the actual enemies, that destealths

[raw zephyr]

affix breaking us out of stealth is just, why. why.

[waxen oyster]

you mean restealthing early?

[real granite]

also orb affix getting 2 years of combat

[waxen oyster]

doesnt it do ticking damage

[raw zephyr]

I wouldnt care as much if it werent for the MA bug, we've learned to play around their bs mostly

[waxen oyster]

if not dispelled

so flame healer

[raw zephyr]

but I can't play around a buff I CANT CANCEL AURA

[real granite]

yeah, restealthing before the ma buff finish

[waxen oyster]

so its basically same as outlaw and subterfuge?

with adr

[real granite]

it makes the buff to not reapply, and also it takes a time before, while being in stealth and not having it, get applied

its a mess

[cunning basin]

The affix does ticking damage so if it's really that bothersome for you reroll dwarf and you have stoneform it dispel it and cloak to dispel it

I personally rarely if ever have had that come up so idk 🤷

[waxen oyster]

so im guessing if you restealth

before ma buff ends

[real granite]

just... mushroom the thing

[coral ibex]

yes

[real granite]

correct, is my explanation that shitty? XD

but also if you restealth with ma active, ma will finish inside stealth, and you will not get ma again, inside stealth, for another 3 seconds or so

[jaunty warren]

IMO stealth breaking in TWW is much worse than previous expansions….in TWW stealth breaks when the wind blows vs in past expansions only direct damage with a few exceptions

[waxen oyster]

so basically no vanishing for ma early

[real granite]

nope, thats a killer

[snow juniper]

Does anyone know what trinkets the mdi rogues were using I'm just curious

[real granite]

also no vanish before a pull dies, or gg ma for next pull

[waxen oyster]

Yeah it just sounds like if functions how the adr bug for outlaw works

where if you restealth while subterfuge is still active it stll ticks down

[real granite]

brother, warlocks were breaking stealth in 100y with burn soul

[waxen oyster]

probably skardyn

[real granite]

its a complete mess

[waxen oyster]

possibly transmitter

if gigapulling

stealth has always broken to ticking damage

SL you had the conduit

for a shield after stealthing

[jaunty warren]

Yeah one of the known exceptions…but in TWW I have mobs target and hit me in stealth frequently

[waxen oyster]

mob has truesight

most likely

[jaunty warren]

No they don’t

[waxen oyster]

proxmity pull?

because i never see this issue

i also track combat drop and mash for restealth

old pvp habit

[real granite]

have you realized

that when hitting dummys

and getting away and restealth

if you get near the dummys

[waxen oyster]

bonespike?

[real granite]

your own sbs will get into combat again and break your stealth

yeah

but breaking the stealth?

[waxen oyster]

i dont ply sbs

[real granite]

ehm xD

[waxen oyster]

in m+

[real granite]

this is not a beta guys, its a full released xpa

dont complain

[rotund oak]

what are u cookin

no sbs in m+ sounds sus

[drowsy hatch]

better in high keys

where the quick setup isnt that needed

and you arent getting your ass eaten by enh and ret

[rotund oak]

[cobalt sphinx]

gotta make some cuts if you want sanguine, sd, ttk, ma, iw

[tawdry crypt]

Quick question about splatter, do I need to proc it everytime I envenom, or only once per 10 second duration

[runic hinge]

can you send me their btags?

[subtle tundra]

yes i just get it eaten by the ele

it feels bad

[cobalt sphinx]

once per 10

[drowsy hatch]

its all bad

why do we play this

[rotund oak]

raw but effective

[rotund oak]

ive tried sub in couple of 10s,does the same dmg as sin

sub might be better tbh

[oak tangle]

dont tempt me with a good time

[rotund oak]

i think if i had good trinkets im do more

[subtle tundra]

maybe youre bad at sin?!?

[somber scarab]

is fatebound hero talent a big downgrade on dmg in m+?

[oak tangle]

trickster actually a fun looking hero talent

[rotund oak]

maybe ye but ik im worse as sub,which still is questionable

[real granite]

kinda, yeah

[subtle tundra]

idk maybe later in the season after im done with assa ill try some sub

[lone coral]

Rant: Why do we have to work so hard to do damage when classes like enhance and ret exist that press 2-3 buttons

[subtle tundra]

need to get a transmitter aswell

[somber scarab]

ahh dang it

[subtle tundra]

enhance is a bad example though

its a hard spec to do very well on

[rotund oak]

u dotn rly need trasmitter but u need a hero track knife and crystal to do some dmg

[oak tangle]

cause it's mentally engaging and they know deep down its a hollow victory

[subtle tundra]

let me spawn a knife

i might actually do my delves

[runic hinge]

just loot it

[rotund oak]

[subtle tundra]

i mean i havent done delves past week 1

[spice spire]

That’s a skill issue bub

[subtle tundra]

fucking irrelevant content

[drowsy hatch]

yah enh is button bloated too

i had a guildie switch from dev evoker to enh

[rotund oak]

bruh i still havent looted a knife hero track and my brann is lvl 59

[drowsy hatch]

and he slaps so fucking hard its crazy

but thats cause hes a good player

[subtle tundra]

atleast delves should be easy at this ilvl

[spice spire]

Devoker 0 button spec

That’s crazy

[drowsy hatch]

thats why he switched lol

[rotund oak]

flies and channels

[drowsy hatch]

dev was too boring

[spice spire]

They’re piss easy past like 610

[rotund oak]

dragons balanced

[spice spire]

That’s an extremely based player

[merry bison]

theoretically, what would do more aoe 2x lethality or one into supercharger

[rotund oak]

idk what theoritically means here

[oak tangle]

nothing more theoretical than a sim

[rotund oak]

well its a model

as in a theory

scientific one though

[subtle tundra]

lethality

[solid palm]

Hi got a question on talent builds, in Whispyr's youtube video he doesn't have subterfuge or without a trace, but in all the M+ talent builds he has them, is the video the out of date builds? Bit lost on what to pick for M+ as the increased ST with envenom seems worth it for bosses

[subtle tundra]

the video is old

thats the problem with video content

the basics still apply

[runic hinge]

1 patch or hotfix and it's out of date

[subtle tundra]

but talents change

[solid palm]

Ok cool thanks, had to check in, i know there are quite a few builds you can go for m+

[brittle quail]

hey ! quick question depth sims lower than radiant power in st for me, is that normal ?

[oak tangle]

i'd believe it

[solid palm]

In ST then, I am only spending energy between 50 and 120 to stay above tea right? I know it's supposed to be slow outside of CDs but the envenom buff is dropping in ST for me, could just a skill issue though ahha

[cursive adder]

Isnt enh like 12 buttons?

[subtle tundra]

in raid it shouldnt
in m+ its normal

[brittle quail]

bro wepon enchant enhance is like 12% of their dmg in m+ wdym

[solid palm]

Cool cheers

[subtle tundra]

what does the dmg breakdown have to do with skill

outlaw is majorly blade flurry

[lone coral]

Depends on how you talent it, but you get the point. Classes exist with 2-3 button rotations, and we’re out here sweating through 12-15 buttons before we reset, assuming we opened on the right conditions (stealth, ma, etc)

[subtle tundra]

trickster sub is their flurry

[drowsy hatch]

yeah theres easy classes

enh just isnt easy

it aint no ret

[subtle tundra]

idk what buttons we still have anymore

we have 5-6 buttons

[cursive adder]

What exacly it proves

[raw zephyr]

because deep inside we hate ourselves?

[quaint depot]

!shiv

dang

no shiv macro

[drowsy hatch]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[quaint depot]

oh dope

ty

[manic quartz]

We still just spamming envenom untill dry in ST right?

[raw zephyr]

all worth it for that moment when you know you saved a pull with cc because you pug with brainless bots that cost you 30% dps and WILL loot your trinket at the end. yw :>

[willow rover]

After reading wowhead Im a bit confused for M+. So for solo rotation, we apply death mark>shiv>kingsbane but for aoe we apply deathmark>kingsbane and shiv down the line once we reapply caustic splatter?

[lone coral]

Maybe you’re jaded, take it from a newer rogue:

Stealth, garrote, garrote, rupture, rupture, ambush, garrote, mutilate, fan, envenom. That doesn’t even include things like deathmrk, kings bane, shiv, having to vanish halfway through fights, shiv’ing only in the last 8 seconds of kings bane, etc

[brittle quail]

idk if we put all our weapon poison together its far from 10 % maybe playing it right is hard but just melee from them is already twice as powerful as ours so being ok with it is way simpler

[lone coral]

Our rotation is fucking bonkers

Compared to almost any other class

You can fall asleep on your keyboard and do insane burst as Ret, BM, destro lock, etc

[real granite]

if by bonkers you mean simple, straightforward and boring yes

[real granite]

it is

[oak tangle]

its because we only have one charge of shiv in m+ talent spec

[cinder bone]

Learn the rotation and play it for a month and it's one of the most rewarding specs in the game imo

[real granite]

since ER removal the spec is zzz

[lethal arrow]

never seen a more relevant tweet

[subtle tundra]

idk i enjoy playing ret

and assa

i wouldnt want to main ret

[cursive adder]

But what dmg breakdown has to do with anything? Enh aint easy

[subtle tundra]

but the occasional key or raid is fine

[lethal arrow]

ret is fun in arenas

would not play it in raid

[subtle tundra]

pvp

[real granite]

at this point fdk is "harder" and more enjoyable than sin

and i dont want to draw hate but...

ER removal was such a stupid desition

[willow rover]

but for single targ dont u still want to apply shiv in the last 8 seconds of kingsbane since we only have 1 charge? Or we just want to frontload the dmg

[cursive adder]

And has bigger weapons

[cobalt sphinx]

what

i think fdk fucking sucks to play

that shit ain't fun at all

[raw zephyr]

what if we pull a mage move and demand blizz fixes these bugs?D:

[lethal arrow]

ive seen max play fdk and just be omega sad when shit doesnt proc

[oak tangle]

yes we will always shiv the last 8 of kb, but in single target spec, we have 2 charges of shiv so we shiv before AND with 8 seconds left

[cursive adder]

Which mage bugs u mean?

Mages never asked for doubledipping fix

[subtle tundra]

idk
its pointless to complain about the spec being too complicated or too easy
assa was 4 button gameplay pre-df

[willow rover]

right but im referring to M+ spec which uses single charge shiv, so death mark>kingsbane>last 8 sec then shiv right?

[brittle quail]

it shows where the dmg from the class comes, weapon enchant isnt like flurry shit is passive and really stong i still think outlaw is far more complicated than enh but yeah enh is also far from ret

[lethal arrow]

thats how i felt DF outlaw was

[oak tangle]

where's the m+ spec that says to lead with a shiv?

[cursive adder]

Its all on blizzard to ''fix'' it and then re'introduce it as clunky talent

[oak tangle]

but yes last 8 secs

[subtle tundra]

if the spec is too complicated for you, go play ret

if ret is too simple, go play enha

[lethal arrow]

if enha is too complicated go play warrior

[subtle tundra]

lol

[oak tangle]

the only argument i will accept for issues with assassin is ramp time to do damage

[raw zephyr]

I think there's a difference between playing around bugs and something being too complicated

[oak tangle]

complexity, i will not accept

[subtle tundra]

warrior

[subtle tundra]

what
how is that an issue

[cobalt sphinx]

i think assassination is actually really really easy

[lethal arrow]

ass is really easy

[cursive adder]

Survi hunt got nice little rework, it flows pretty good

[subtle tundra]

we are actually fast af to do dmg rn compared to its history

[lethal arrow]

but new players see the flow chart and get overwhelemed lol

[oak tangle]

i mean for fotm rerollers, that are likely in low keys, where they are being blasted by pala

[subtle tundra]

who cares about fotm rerollers

[willow rover]

i guess the way they put the rotation in sections i misunderstood it meaning for m+ spec. Got it thanks!

[brittle quail]

yeah assa is easy, kind of need knowledge but its way easier than most melee spec (ofc not talking about ret )

[subtle tundra]

those people will just swap to another class in a month

[drowsy hatch]

and thats where the complaints come from

[subtle tundra]

why do their opinions matter

[oak tangle]

yeah but that's who we're arguing with lol

[cobalt sphinx]

do their opinions not matter?

half of everyone playing any spec is an alt/reroller

[subtle tundra]

swap to op spec
do +10s playing horrible doing bad dps
reroll to something else op

womp womp

they are going on the shaman train now probably

[oak tangle]

moral of the story, if a paladin is beating you in dps, do higher keys

[balmy condor]

yeah this is incredible bait

[subtle tundra]

dot spec should do ramping dmg

[balmy condor]

10/10

[cobalt sphinx]

paladin will do competitve dps as long as they are getting invited

[brittle quail]

haha x) thats so true

[lethal arrow]

they took snd and ER so ret is now more complicated than ass

[feral mason]

moral of the story, if a ret paladin exists, call them names

[oak tangle]

40s pull, wings falls off and sin gets full duration dots. i guess aim for content where those are your pull timers

[subtle tundra]

idk if people have to fucking memorize openers instead of thinking them, they cant complain about complexity

[lethal arrow]

30 minutes at a target dummy is all it takes

[balmy condor]

yah I mean the tweet is conflating a spec with a conceptual opener vs a spec that has many short cds

[subtle tundra]

dont care

[lethal arrow]

but ppl are lazy

[balmy condor]

like hurr durr look at all these gcds assa opener is crazy!!!!!!!!!

yeah but it's legit just bleeds env cds

[cobalt sphinx]

it's funny because assassination is as simple as put up dots and fok envenom fok envenom fok envenom

[lethal arrow]

yeah ass really isnt that hard lol

opener just looks daunting cuz of how many icons there are lmao

[balmy condor]

yah wel

[subtle tundra]

the 2nd part of the "opener" is doing your rotation

[balmy condor]

I wish I could say bleeds -> cooldowns

but I gotta explain every gcd

[lethal arrow]

and we know how well the average wow player can read flowcharts

[balmy condor]

and explaining gcds

isn't really great

on a spec that doesn't have rigid gcds

so you get a mess

[brittle quail]

yeah sure assa is easy but i still think there is more knowledge to have than pala

[lethal arrow]

(do i just not garrote cuz the arrow leads to mutilate)

[subtle tundra]

wow... now you press garrote...

cause garrote is falling off

[balmy condor]

[subtle tundra]

wow... now you mutilate... cause your entire spec is based around combo points...

[lethal arrow]

(then what, the arrow doesnt lead back into the chart, so i just mutilate and aa?)

[quartz spear]

Assa is easy, Ret's easier?

[oak tangle]

tbh i am both impressed and worried how little questions are regarrding to pandemic in here, i woulda thought the FOTM would be curious, but maybe they just dont even know

[subtle tundra]

assa is hard

[subtle tundra]

cause its a thing on every class with any dot

[brittle quail]

they probably dont know

[subtle tundra]

and they probably know it as "when the WA glows, you can reapply"

dont know what it means

dont care

[brittle quail]

yeah thats probably true

[runic hinge]

a lot of specs have pandemic stuff too

[brittle quail]

and on these spec people dont know about it either

last 2 keys i did with another assa

[oak tangle]

i mean my friend is levelling a rogue atm, and he had no idea about pandemic, but he is a ret main

[willow rover]

If we're at exactly 5 CP, is it better to mutilate one more time to hit max CP and envenom or just envenom at 5 to not risk overcapping from crit?

[balmy condor]

envenom at 5

[quartz spear]

Is anyone consistently running Elusiveness?

[balmy condor]

most people yes

[brittle quail]

they were questionning about how i did much more dps than them

[quartz spear]

Most rly?

[brittle quail]

answer : they didnt know aboutn pandemic

[balmy condor]

in any high end content yeah

[kindred hinge]

Ain't it the way society work? How many people know how a car work, a computer ? Young generation have no computer knowledge outside of apps.

No reason wow would be exempt when tools simplying and removing the need for some knowledge get out

[oak tangle]

cheat death is a crutch

[balmy condor]

keys above like 12 you kinda need elusiveness to survive stuff

elusivness is also really good on plenty of raid bosses

[subtle tundra]

ofc didnt say there's a problem with not knowing what pandemic is

[brittle quail]

yeah i always play elusiveness even in weekly 10

[quartz spear]

Feint off gcd has been pretty nice

[raw zephyr]

anything below 10 pugging id go for cheat, most pugs will let you proc your cd, or let you die and find out 😄

[brittle quail]

its rewarding you for pressing defensive wich feels better than saving you when you suck

[subtle tundra]

need to make a cheat sheet with cheat death dungeons and iron wire dungeons

[eager gazelle]

I need cheat death so that when the mage pulls early and I get slapped by the boss because I am in melee

[subtle tundra]

iron wire dungeons: all of them you fucking imbecile
cheat death dungeons: none you fucking imbecile, l2p
/j

[oak tangle]

lol

[brittle quail]

be behind the tank and use tricks, legit never happens

[lethal arrow]

the only boss that can maybe happen on is bloodbound

its the only one that will just turn and smack you if youre too close on pull

[balmy condor]

yeh easy solution is just being slightly behind

[oak tangle]

i learnt the hard way early season, where i bricked a 10 siege, cause i was ahead of the tank when he pulled last boss, casing the tentacle ot melee me

[subtle tundra]

woah you shouldnt pull before tank?!?!

[oak tangle]

i didn't

i was stealthed

it slapped me

[raw zephyr]

dk/pally tank?

[eager gazelle]

bosses see through stealth, you still get bopped if they can't move and you are in melee

[oak tangle]

dk

[subtle tundra]

?

[raw zephyr]

yeah, they pull from afar and are not in the melee range, tanks fault tbh

[kindred hinge]

That's where having cheat death would have saved your key while élu is not that useful in 10

[eager gazelle]

if you are the only one standing next to a boss that can't move and don't attack him and someone pulls the boss, even if you do nothing he will still hit you

even if you are in stealth

[quartz spear]

I mean it's easy to say, "cheat is a crutch!! git gud" and then there's the reality of just fuckassery happening in certain keys where Cheat saves the key

[spice spire]

Cheat on a siege in this economy

[oak tangle]

i woulda procced cd about 10 times over on the previous boss, with his buffed break waters

[subtle tundra]

im not playing siege without elusiveness

LOL

[kindred hinge]

A siege 10 not like there is anything that hurt

Not a siege 12+

[raw zephyr]

you can't run 12's with cheat, but pug 10s with cheat 100%

[subtle tundra]

whats the quickest delve for vault filling

[quartz spear]

I would agree w/ that yea

[spice spire]

I don’t think you’ve ever been hit with a circle on the last boss

I fight for my life even on a ten

[spice spire]

Fungal folly stan

There’s also the one delve at AK that is pretty free

That and uh one of the deeps

It just depends on which event is active

[kindred hinge]

Get hit by a circle proc cheat what the issue?

[spice spire]

On each

[spice spire]

Slam overlaps often

[oak tangle]

depending on the week, there is a variant in one that about 2 mins into the delve you get into a goblin mech and blast the entire dungeon for a vehicle

[spice spire]

[kindred hinge]

I mean I am a big fan of élu but it's troll in lower key unless your heal is really that bad

[spice spire]

If it’s a pug healer

I have no faith

[kindred hinge]

I don't know my friend heal that I take in 10s are usually worse by a magnitude than random pug

[oak tangle]

i am just lazy, and if a lower key, i just dont care enough to swap, if i die i die

[primal quest]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[torpid temple]

Maybe it seems that way bc they're running with people that think elusiveness is bad

[halcyon grail]

Elusiveness has saved my ass idk how many times with the extra 20% DR on evasion it gives

[subtle tundra]

nvm not doing 8 delves

i forgot how mind numingly bad they are

[eager gazelle]

rip farming zekvir

took like 20 minutes for all 8

[kindred hinge]

Please quote where I said that elu is bad?

[torpid temple]

"it's troll" saying that elusivess is trolling in any key level is awful tbh

[kindred hinge]

Or maybe you are just building a narrative in your head and clearly missed the point where I said that I am a big proponent of élu?

But yes it is troll. In 10s and lower nothing will kill you wheeler élu would have saved you. While cheat is a free get out jail pint for any misattention or sheaniningan. The value of the point is miles apart if you are doing 10s

But by all mean play w/e could not care less

[torpid temple]

Imagine calling your healer friend bad while you admit to inting your groups

[kindred hinge]

Yeah you are building a false narrative in your head and have not followed the discussion

[torpid temple]

The discussion where these creatures claim that they can do high keys with elusiveness but somehow need cheat death for lower ones

[raw zephyr]

actually, no, lower keys pressing feint when not needed is just waste of dps, so if youre not gonna press it as much, might as well have cheat to pre-mitigate pugs and their shenanigens

[quartz spear]

Myast has a point tbh and you can choose to not see it lol

[cobalt sphinx]

i don't think cheat death is inting

[willow rover]

Is the wowhead build with subterfuge/2 vanish/master assassin for m+ better than the icy veins m+ build? Not sure which to choose

[raw zephyr]

but its also a preference and depending on your exp with puging or not.

[kindred hinge]

You clearly missed the point of the discussion but we'll not going to engage further

[quartz spear]

"just don't make mistakes bro just do everything right bro"

"just play w/ the perfect group"

[torpid temple]

Calling your healer bad while you willingly pass on DR is inting

[cobalt sphinx]

cheat death is fine

and friends can be bad

i do plenty of charity 10s for friends

[subtle tundra]

what a twat

i cant get map week 1 i get now

now i have to do 2nd delve

[waxen oyster]

is that your first map

[subtle tundra]

on this character

yes

[fallen arch]

I have seen 0 maps

[waxen oyster]

[fallen arch]

They dont exist

[waxen oyster]

I got 2 maps week 1

[kindred hinge]

Mate my friend are bad, they know it I know it l, they have no pretention and no wants to improve. I still pl their 10 keys for their vault without dying regardless of what I run because it doesn't matter at that level. And if élu doesn't matter you better run cheat death for the offset where it will matter. 😉

You completely missed the point but again w/e

[upbeat gust]

So for sanguine blades we wanna play around 150 energy on ST the whole time right and keep envenom up outside of cds?

[rough agate]

Hey does plague damage count as a poison or is it its own thing?

[kindred hinge]

Maps are infuriating. My sham? 4 run 4 maps. Rest of my ALTs absolutely nothing

[waxen oyster]

my dh got 2 maps

both weapons

[subtle tundra]

watch me get knife from this map

[oak tangle]

don't play around sanguine, maximise envenom

[waxen oyster]

i got a map mid delve on my warrior and it had knife

[cobalt sphinx]

plague is nature and shadow, anything that affects nature will affect plague

[waxen oyster]

had no keys either

[rough agate]

ok tyty

[kindred hinge]

Sorry can't hear you from the back to back webmaster trinket from random raid cache on my mage

[subtle tundra]

sorry cant hear you im not a loser caster

[sage rain]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[kindred hinge]

Can't argue against that, there is a reason I never had the chance to use this trinket. Caster fucking blow balls

[proper seal]

Is there any recommended assassination video guide out there? The wowhead guide keeps crashing my tabs..

[kindred hinge]

Whysper the wowhead writer has a detailed guide on his channel

[raw zephyr]

this is making me consider early retirement, play a hunter, enjoy the view or whatever

[kindred hinge]

You would miss feint too much

Not having a defensive to spam at every damage is triggering

[raw zephyr]

there are occasions where I do praise it

[jagged wasp]

guys i was just checking some logs, is it worth generating cp with fok on 2 targets? or mutilate

[balmy condor]

fok on 2 with deathstalker and thrown precision yes

[jagged wasp]

tyty

[wooden perch]

is pooling rlly important on st in m+ with low haste?

cause i feel like my st in keys sucks

but i think its cause i go into cds without enough energy or something

[balmy condor]

not really no

[wooden perch]

can i just spam my buttons and not lose much dps?

[normal mist]

Yesn't

[wooden perch]

🙂

[normal mist]

play for envenom uptime

[wooden perch]

so like refresh on 1s u mean ye

[normal mist]

in keys i'd say yes

[wooden perch]

wb shiv do i always want atleast 2 envenoms inside the shiv window?

[normal mist]

no idea

if you shiv

you want to spam

[strange python]

Been finding the double vanish MA build really quite nice for ST, only seem to tail off much right towards the end (in 12sish)

Can triple MA on bosses and still have vanish for a subsequent pack

[limber lion]

Doesn't matter

[strange python]

Plus no sanguine blades helps out a lot, but do start having to pool / upkeep venom prio towards the end of a boss

[limber lion]

Yeah I like WAT as well

[umbral sierra]

whats the mech called that letsd u gar 2x and it hits 24 seconds and not 18 duration

[limber lion]

Now that Subterfuge actually does something

[limber lion]

Pandemic

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[umbral sierra]

thx

[strange python]

The build is insane for multi Mon fights like first boss siege, absolutely blasted that earlier

Multi mob*

[thin portal]

Hi sin rogues

[harsh harbor]

what dungeons do you all chain for crest farming? mists?

[strange python]

I don't, but if I were to probably just one I enjoyed the most

[subtle tundra]

not the build, just assa is

[strange python]

Well yeah but triple tapping MA with that much opportunity for cleave and garrote is just lovely

[subtle tundra]

scent of blood + infinite energy goes crazy like that yeah

[strange python]

Made even nicer that there are only say 3-4 mobs so you can start rolling quickly

Proccing a big MA window when bleeds are already set so you can just spam fok envenom is chefs kiss

[wooden perch]

would someone be willing to take a look at a log of a +13 st boss fight

tell me what im fkin up

cause im doing something wrong

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Kg7QarVRPA8GX3Zj#fight=1&type=damage-done&target=33

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Kg7QarVRPA8GX3Zj#fight=last&type=damage-done&target=194

[keen rover]

I hate using SB. Its in the m plus build on wowhead. Is it really better?

[strange python]

It's not

Now

[keen rover]

Oh. Must have changed. Thank goodness.

[umbral sierra]

does iron wire silence only last 6 seconds bc of subterfuge or 12 seconds? it just says when used from stealth

[drowsy hatch]

The actual silence is 5 sec, we have a 12 sec window to apply it

[umbral sierra]

12 seconds cool. i meant window to apply sorry for the confusing wording

[real granite]

you kb'd and shiv next gcd, you want to shiv last 8s of kb

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah that's fine

[real granite]

also get envenom online before kb

[wooden perch]

ok didnt know that

[wooden perch]

gotcha, sometimes i do sometimes i dont i gotta make it consistent

[spice spire]

Never again.

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/RLliQqY.jpeg

how is this legal

almlst living 8mil hit

[coral ibex]

why did you get hit

[balmy condor]

you could live it too with elusiveness evasion/feint

[coral ibex]

avoidable damage should hit like a truck

[waxen oyster]

Yeah dk tankiness

is kind of silly post rework

[marble hemlock]

tht aint me

thats a DK

and im asking why a DK is allowed to almost live a 11mil hit

when theyre at 80% hp

with no defensives popped

[waxen oyster]

They have a defensive

its just passive

[marble hemlock]

[subtle tundra]

they will live it in a week or two

xd!

[cinder quartz]

reroll

[waxen oyster]

Tbh idk why they moved

blood dk’s passive to the dk general tree

will of the necropolis

[coral ibex]

they literally spent 1 talent point on 20% stam, they used a defensive

[waxen oyster]

honestly havoc’s playrate in hc logs is surprising to me

[umbral sierra]

pvp

theres ur answer

[shy creek]

im watching casualaddict

[waxen oyster]

considering i barely see them

[shy creek]

hes reviewing logs, he goes

Rupture in kingsbane, somebody call the police

i didnt thin kit was that bad 😭

[spice spire]

It’s not

[waxen oyster]

average m+ streamer viewer

[spice spire]

You stack kb quickly

[shy creek]

Hes reviewing raid logs, he said its because you risk dropping envenom stack

[spice spire]

[subtle tundra]

why would doing a finisher be a bad thing

[spice spire]

I mean he provided the logic.
It’s just wrong

[subtle tundra]

the m+er should stick to m+

[waxen oyster]

casual is 8/8

too iirc

[spice spire]

He’s only right if they did drop the stack.
But bleeds being up is only negated and relegated below dn

[ionic sluice]

Any truth to this theory that I've heard about caustic spatter causing lag? We had a pretty shitty laggy night on Ovinax and I'm wondering if I should ask the rogue to spec out of it.

[shy creek]

Not that I know of

[subtle tundra]

ok the last part of that is funny

asking the assa to drop all its aoe

[shy creek]

But also its not worth telling your rogue to drop its aoe

[eager gazelle]

crab mode helps

[shy creek]

Cuz of lag LOL

[spice spire]

I’m raid you stack that shit up quick with little to no issue and the buff is important but it’s not that important to gimp your energy

[waxen oyster]

I dont lag in raid

[ionic sluice]

I mean, we probably don't need his AoE, tbh

[waxen oyster]

i swear its caused by plater

[ionic sluice]

But aight

It's input lag

Very much server-side

Everyone in the raid

[coral ibex]

i cackled

[ionic sluice]

I don't run plater

[real granite]

elvui raid frames, do you?

[coral ibex]

please share the source of this theory

please

[eager gazelle]

have you tried arachnophobia mode? it genuinely helps

[waxen oyster]

I never got the tindral lag

[ionic sluice]

I don't remember where I heard it, tbh

[waxen oyster]

for example

[runic helm]

Curious I saw that Fatebound currently sims slightly higher, but none of the top parses are using it in raid. Is this just a preference thing? Seems like Fatebound would be a bit easier given there isn't the same chance for Mark dropping that exists on some fights.

[coral ibex]

actually it’s fdk’s pressing breath on the adds

that’s causing the lag

just have them talent out of it

don’t need those spell effects and damage events going off

[arctic socket]

Your main aoe ability is causing lag swap outta it cx don’t do your poor rogue like that

[kindred breach]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[ornate harbor]

Bis trinkets for M+? Is it dawnbreaker one and skardyn (which doesnt exsist)?

[arctic socket]

Does caustic even have a spell effect that shows for everyone?

[normal mist]

Skardyn + passive trinket

i was trying to farm dawnbreak one

but also doesnt exist

[ornate harbor]

I actually got it somehow…

But skardyn never seen drop for Anyone

[arctic socket]

Skardyns / Crystal is the best dimming for me

[quartz spear]

What if you have all the trinkets but your Champion delve knife sims higher

[ornate harbor]

Im only 20-ish runs in tho

[raw zephyr]

Farming grim batol day and night, I have not seen it drop

[arctic socket]

Need one?

[ornate harbor]

Rip

[eager gazelle]

dont post that during no nut november pls

[wraith briar]

what trinkets do sin rogues play for m+?

[normal mist]

just

[ornate harbor]

Whatever u have

[normal mist]

read up

[spice spire]

Skardyns or transmitter and whatever decent passive you want (sac, spyglass, etc.)

[normal mist]

we just talked about it xD

[real granite]

literally same question 4 messages ago

[merry bison]

give me ur address now

[spice spire]

Mandate also works for a second slot

[spice spire]

I got you dog

Dw

[normal mist]

mandate in m+ is wonky

[spice spire]

It will fuck something

At least once!

[merry bison]

https://tenor.com/view/what-up-what-sup-thats-hey-handshake-gif-13372556

[ornate harbor]

I feel skardyns will decrease my dps once it drops 🙂

[normal mist]

LOL

[shy creek]

Mandate in stonevault feels nice for shield

Hard to break that thing unless you have specific comps

[arctic socket]

Lmao imma lose nnn today

[frigid leaf]

my ret hasnt seen a single myth track trinket from vault, but my rogue has skardyn/sac

[normal mist]

good

[shy creek]

when the alt is better geared than the main

[arctic socket]

Why

[blissful pecan]

Do we use crimson tempest on ovinax?

[spice spire]

It’s a sign

[coral ibex]

mythic

[spice spire]

Mythic y, heroic N

[wraith briar]

would u play transmitter over skyradin or vice versa

[normal mist]

skardyn

every day

[blissful pecan]

Ok

[merry bison]

either u give me a 12 month packet of your onlyfans w extra pictures or im gonna steal your cat

[spice spire]

Skardyn because I don’t like the mini game.
Transmitter slightly better for more effort.
Also 1.5 not lining with 2m sucks

[ornate harbor]

Snapshot bleeds with 15k mastery

[wraith briar]

ty

[ornate harbor]

Must b Mandela

Madness>

[arctic socket]

Hmm, I don’t have a onlyfans

[spice spire]

Glhf homie

[normal mist]

not yet

[arctic socket]

My cat is off limits

Don’t touch buddy 😭

[merry bison]

better give your pussy a goodbye kiss

[normal mist]

that might be hard

[real granite]

snapshot 404

[arctic socket]

That’s a wild statement to tell a female

[merry bison]

it might be

[spice spire]

I love your cat so much man

They’re so cute

[arctic socket]

[merry bison]

he cute but lowkey looking in two different directions

[normal mist]

Quake wanna see my cats sleeping?

[spice spire]

Nvm I’m going to actually drive down there and bang your pops

[spice spire]

Absolutely

I love all cats

[normal mist]

sec lemme grab my phone

[spice spire]

[arctic socket]

Do it

[spice spire]

I fucking will

[tropic cedar]

it doesn't cause lag for others but can cause fps drops for rogues using it, i had to turn off my combat text because it can be quite noticeable on big packs in m+

[spice spire]

Gonna be ur new step dad and ground ur ass

[limber lion]

hmm

[merry bison]

[spice spire]

Ur next mister Ceverion

But of a further drive tho

[winged tide]

is there anywhere to post a m+ and you guys tell me what i am doing worng?

[arctic socket]

Step dad what are you doing?

[limber lion]

Quake would love to

[spice spire]

Stop

[spice spire]

Dog

[limber lion]

Bring it

[frigid leaf]

always like this

[merry bison]

he stuck stepdaddy

[winged tide]

where iss quake?

[frigid leaf]

a sign to let my rogue keep being a 1 key per week andy

[limber lion]

It's the talking Dog

[real granite]

log the run and upload it to warcraft logs

[winged tide]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2aWMfxztjYrhLkGn#fight=8&type=summary

got it here

[limber lion]

There you go

[runic hinge]

curious

[normal mist]

loading

[rancid bloom]

is cloak fkn bugged on 1st boss NW ???????????

[frigid leaf]

physical damage, isnt it?

[twilit escarp]

breath? u need to evasion it

[runic hinge]

oh i seent that

[limber lion]

No works fine

[rancid bloom]

ohh

[subtle tundra]

cat hair ewwww

[merry bison]

[limber lion]

You just need to use it just before the cast goes off

Or just use Evasion

Cloak has a 1s true immunity frame

[merry bison]

KIIITTTTTIIEEEE

[thin portal]

Damn sin chat is lit rn

[merry bison]

:33333

[merry bison]

what a cutttie doodile doooo pokieee :333

[limber lion]

Asked if Quake wanted to see cats sleeping and none of them are

Clickbait

[drowsy hatch]

she is my love = )

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/george-lopez-confused-unsure-eh-meh-gif-9297878

[arctic socket]

Those aren’t mine

It’s a picture form insta

I thought it was cool tho

The rope

[merry bison]

fake of !

[limber lion]

So many kitties

I need to get one

[arctic cove]

Hello, when playing 2 vanish charges, am i supposed to use 2 charges in the same KB use?

[gusty mirage]

You’re getting banned bud

[normal mist]

No you are

https://tenor.com/view/reverse-card-uno-uno-cards-gif-13032597

[drowsy hatch]

no, MA lasts 12s and KB 14. Seems a bit of a waste

[limber lion]

No

[noble void]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

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[limber lion]

Don't threaten him with freedom

[normal mist]

True. He's stuck in here with us

[limber lion]

One of us

Now and forever

[gusty mirage]

Meow

[spice surge]

Meow and forever

[frigid leaf]

[gusty mirage]

No one tell Seli that I’m avoiding him, ty

[normal mist]

@marble hemlock i wont dw

oh

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-david-shittscreek-gif-15625591

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-yamanosusume-encouragementofclimb-cutegirlsdoingcutethings-cgdct-gif-18516151

[subtle tundra]

hot

[limber lion]

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-stare-dog-stare-dog-brows-funny-gif-12521793

[subtle tundra]

like sexually

hot

[proper seal]

caustic spatter is supposed to be our biggest source of dmg in m+ right?

[normal mist]

up there yes

spatter/CT/envenom

[limber lion]

Yep

[tired gull]

nah, biggest source of damage is the friends we made along the way

[normal mist]

LOL

[merry bison]

Mine :3

[spice spire]

We had one snoozer. Saved

[arctic socket]

Cute kitty’s c:

[spice spire]

Okay your cat is extremely cute and I want to pet their belly (it’s surely not a trap)

[spice spire]

I also love your cat and wish to pet their belly (absolutely not a trap)

[golden prairie]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[tired gull]

This looks exactly like my cat i lost a couple years ago!

[merry bison]

his belly a bigger trap than ladyboys in thailand

[marble hemlock]

hi

[spice spire]

So not at all

[merry bison]

rest in peace to your lil fella

[drowsy hatch]

She actually doesnt mind belly rubs at all

[tired gull]

appreciate you fam

[gusty mirage]

Hello

[marble hemlock]

the last 20 minutes i had to raid with 2 claws burrowed into my flesh

why are you avoiding me?

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

Idk

You’re asking me questions that make me want to cry

It’s your fault

[queen oracle]

!stealth

[marble hemlock]

why?

i just have an interest in your personal life

[arctic socket]

Real pain is when your cat is in your lap. Clawing you while you’re deep into prog and can’t do anything to stop the cat…

[spice spire]

That’s joy wdym pain, dog

[arctic socket]

Because if you do you cause a wipe :c

That’s pain

[spice spire]

You just accept it

They’re comfy let them be comfy

[gloomy hinge]

Anyone know elvui stuff?

how do i change the position of this ?

focus cast bar

[deep gyro]

Toggle movers and look for it

[gloomy hinge]

i did just now is it possible to change size aswell?

[tired gull]

UnitFrames > Individual Units > Focus > Cast Bar

[severe sparrow]

the other day i got really nauseous partway through a 10 gb and didn't wanna leave it halfway through and brick the key, so i grabbed a bowl priorities fucked

[spice spire]

Dog no

[drowsy hatch]

A bowl of what? Nice hot soup?

[tired gull]

lucky charms is my guess

[spice spire]

It was hot something

[wispy epoch]

what's better surviability wise

outlaw or assass

[narrow wing]

Outlaw surely

[wispy epoch]

what makes it more tanky

[deep roost]

hey, im new to assa, how does hekili work?

[spice spire]

Outlaw likes vers a bit.
Generally they have a bit more survivability as a result.

[wispy epoch]

oh true

haste vers

[cobalt sphinx]

deathstalker has some dr though

[spice spire]

It tells you the next few globals you should press. It’s fine for the spec

[wispy epoch]

what's full bis vers % look like?

[spice spire]

That’s also true with evasion

[wispy epoch]

13% maybe?

[deep roost]

yeah but i mean, its working well with the spec?

ah okay i just saw the edited message

[wispy epoch]

bro just download it and try for yourself

[spice spire]

Historically not been great, but we have someone actively working on it and he’s improved it a bit

All good

Is it perfect? No but it’s a tool to help learn and has fixed a lot of its previous issues.

I’ve been guilty of blind slander but used it for a few minutes on dummies and outside of edge things

It’s decent

I think AoE is funky a bit still (I didn’t test that ngl) but st at least it’s been more than fine for beginners learning

[wispy epoch]

it's delayed with noticing if you procced a mutilate crit or two

[spice spire]

Yeah we went over that

[wispy epoch]

like, if i use it to decide whether to envenom or mutilate

[nimble tartan]

guys do i do 3 more keys to fill my vault

[wispy epoch]

it'll usually fuck me over at least 2-3 times per boss encounter

[nimble tartan]

i already have bis trinkets..

[spice spire]

But that’s just something to work with.
You have to learn the logic and kind of make your own decision once you get the hang of the spec

[wispy epoch]

naw dude dont then

[spice spire]

Nah spend that time instesd playing some one piece king

You’ve earned it

[deep roost]

okay guys, thank you!!!

[spice spire]

Glhf

[nimble tartan]

ok th

ty

[nimble tartan]

im play the bazaar and pokemon pocket..

[wispy epoch]

i wonder if it has like a scanner thing with like how details does, and you can make it so it scans like once every .1ms

[spice spire]

I’m just the analysis guy my brain no worky at dev

[spice spire]

Pop off big dog

[wispy epoch]

new addon

[nimble tartan]

bro I need thath

however i will add a 3 second delay so it seems more human

the instant message before i realize i won or know what i got turns me off

gotta add the human touch

[wispy epoch]

very human

[slate crown]

Lmao

[nimble tartan]

id he like heyyyy do u need that

not even linkin the item

[cobalt sphinx]

wtf

is that a fucking loot beggar addon

[wispy epoch]

Hey @cobalt sphinx , may I please have %item if you don't need it?

[nimble tartan]

me whispering the lfr 540 ilevel mage if he needs that wand that dropped

[spice spire]

Ur so real for that

[coral ibex]

too polite, will be obvious

hit them with the all natural classic

u need? xd

[tired gull]

do

u

need??

[spice spire]

Only thing I need is Jesus homie amen

[heavy nebula]

For envenom, are casting only at the last few seconds? Or.. just build and spend

Sorry for my big dumb dumb stupidhead question

[novel star]

last few seconds

u build and slam in cds tho

[heavy nebula]

Ah perfect

[slate crown]

Yeah if shiv is up

In any capacity

Slam

Otherwise vibe

Chill out

[marsh raven]

how do you guys use the queen's mandate?

[novel star]

and you can also slam without losing as much dps as you should outside cds because design is weird right now but it’s still good practice to not do so

[novel star]

after cds

[heavy nebula]

Otherwise wasted energy…?

[novel star]

Ye

[heavy nebula]

Dig

[novel star]

you spend the full cost of envenom to not get the full value cause some buff uptime disappears into thin air

[heavy nebula]

God bless the people of this discord

[marsh raven]

so right after clicking death mark?

[novel star]

no

like

after cds end

you do your full burst and then when shiv/kb drop off

and you have nothing to do

then u mandate

[marsh raven]

oh, why specifically there?

It has a cast time?

[novel star]

yes

[marsh raven]

aaaah

[novel star]

don’t want to lose gcds in burst

[balmy condor]

it's also still on cooldown

[fickle light]

should you let the improved garrote almost run out or do i just pandemic it like usual?

[balmy condor]

cause you want to be using a stat on use

for your burst

[balmy condor]

if you're pandemicing with another improved garrote that's fine

[marsh raven]

ah true, thx

[balmy condor]

you don't want to pandemic an improved garrote with a normal garrote though

that's just - damage

not the biggest loss ever, you'd lose like 3-4 empowered ticks

but still

[fickle light]

i've been doing that a lot lol
for some reason it just never occurred to me that it would be bad

[left rose]

is deathstalker still bugged?

[spice spire]

On what

[left rose]

on mobs, the first i attack often it doesnt trigger on +5cps

so i have to vanish and apply it again

[spice spire]

When you say trigger

[novel star]

[spice spire]

You mean you’ve ambushed the target

[left rose]

yes

[spice spire]

And have darkest night up

[left rose]

yes

[spice spire]

So it’s 7cp not 5. A, making sure that’s just a mistype or mis thought

Or do you mean with supercharger

Because that should have been fixed

[left rose]

no i have the 3 stacks with the purple blade on the mob

but no 5cp finisher triggers that

[spice spire]

Yeah

Until dn goes off

You can’t consume any marks

So if you have both going

You just max cp envenom

[left rose]

ahh

[spice spire]

Unsure if bug or intended at this point

[novel star]

better solution is just don’t ambush when you have dn

but yeah

[spice spire]

But yes that exists

[novel star]

with the ?bug u have to do a cringe 7cp before u start popping the already active marks

[left rose]

thx 😄

but now i know

[marsh crescent]

New to rogue, wowhead rotations seem very.. complicated. Is it really that in depth, or is it simpler once broken down?

[lofty dawn]

any1 have a good plater profile they could share? with only the important dots and cool looking?

[royal lantern]

if you understood it once its really simple

[balmy condor]

bleeds before envenom spam, stack all your cooldowns together every minute

gg

[balmy condor]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[lofty dawn]

<3

[royal lantern]

most of it is really just "keep bleeds running, dump CP into envenom"

[novel star]

Sin st is pretty simple, aoe has a little more going on but it’s still a vibe once u know

it’s pretty hard to make major mistakes a lot of the time

cause our burst is very simple

and between burst ur just vibing

shaco_payphone.mp4

[marsh crescent]

hm alright, ill have to read into it a bit then

[novel star]

whispyr said it best

u rly just maintain bleeds and then pissvibe

[quasi stump]

abt to do a 10 boralus without hekili (on arms)

[rancid bloom]

u guys ever play iron wire?

[royal lantern]

you got this man

[royal lantern]

always

its the strongest utility talent in the game lol

[rancid bloom]

why high rio players dont ?

[spice spire]

I’ve fallen tryan.

I’m a serial mists skipper

[rancid bloom]

i should put it instead master assasin ?

[rancid bloom]

^

[royal lantern]

are you one of the best dungeon players in the world that plays in a highly coordinated group where every single CC and interupt is allready assinged before you even start the dungeon, and because of that can afford to MAYBE drop it in 1-2 dungeons?

if the answer to that is "no", you always take iron wire and never think about dropping it

[keen spruce]

because they have coordinated teams trying to squeeze out the most damage they can to time keys

but they also layer CC and stops with their group well enough

[rancid bloom]

what should i put it instead of ?

[keen spruce]

to allow them to drop it

[rancid bloom]

master assasin?

[keen spruce]

you ALWAYS take iron wire

[rancid bloom]

ok

[drowsy hatch]

drop sang

[frigid leaf]

if you dont know why you dont take iron wire, dont drop it

[rancid bloom]

what should i drop then

master assasin ?

[keen spruce]

you normally either play MA or sanguine blades

[drowsy hatch]

drop sang

[rancid bloom]

i'll try it this key

what about demise vs twist of knifes?

[balmy condor]

demise more aoe, twist the knife more single target

[novel star]

not having ttk feels gross now

have to take it for vibes

✋ a vibes guy is speaking

[balmy condor]

yeh idk

it really feels like a talent that should be much higher on the tree

[novel star]

[balmy condor]

like either envenom baseline isn't 100% uptime and you fix the core of envenoms uptime

or you make TTK the standard and move it up to where you can't avoid it

but this half and half shit ain't it

[novel star]

put it where imp poisons is

[royal lantern]

bloody mess

cus wtf is that talent

[balmy condor]

I kinda like that

[royal lantern]

"tuning" talents that never get touched for tuning anyway lol

[balmy condor]

bloody mess is fine

leads into bleed things

[novel star]

imp poisons ends up next to dashing

holy based

[spice spire]

I mean

That’s what TTK was

Until it just got sent to heaven

[balmy condor]

idk if I'd call TTK a tuning talent

like yeah if we had 40% envenom uptime

it could be "tuning" talent

[royal lantern]

"tuning" talents are funny

cus they never use them for tuning lol

[willow wren]

Yo I'm a lil stupid how do u use supercharger just to hit 5+cp or to overcap cp

[balmy condor]

neither

you ignore it entirely

[willow wren]

isn't it worth playing around on court

seems kinda fun

minigame

[balmy condor]

I mean if you're using shiv on the damage amp

it plays itself

[willow wren]

wait but u can finish on like 3cp instead of 5 if u can farm a darkest night during amp no

[lyric stirrup]

Whispyr I hope ur having a good day today ty for all u do #isimpforBIGFLIPPA

[balmy condor]

AMEN

[balmy condor]

sure if you want

doesn't make a difference though

[willow wren]

is big hit during amp no good...

[novel star]

well it’s good but the point was

[balmy condor]

yes but what difference does it make

you're getting +2 cp from supercharger

both ways

[novel star]

chargers +2/+3cp can go over the cap

[sweet snow]

whats keystone level is considered lower end?

[novel star]

so

yea

[proper seal]

i just feel useless on ST bosses in m+, i run out of energy even with garrote/rupture 100% uptime. what's most likely wrong? spamming mutilate too much?

is there a way too see how many CPs u wasted during a fight?

[balmy condor]

10 or lower

[balmy condor]

that's how the spec works yes

[novel star]

if it’s logged then yes on wcl

but running out of energy is normal

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[sweet snow]

can use the hybrind build 12s up?

[balmy condor]

of course

[novel star]

you can use the hybrid build forever