#assassination

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gleaming cove
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Ahh the increased crit, gotcha

rotund oak
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Sadge yeah
Prolly need to drop to the pits of hell and train my healing on 1.4 or something i cant do anything
(Also F hunters and shamans and monks)

hollow river
buoyant pilot
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Hey guys, started prog on mythic Silken Court . The top 50 logs seem to be a bit mixed regarding CD usage. Some hold for almost every damage amp, some just seem to send on CD from start regardless on damage amp or not. Can someone help me out with this one? Maybe some tips in general?

arctic socket
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Is your question how to log well on this fight or when to send your cooldowns?

buoyant pilot
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I don't care about log honestly, when to send cooldowns, basically yeah, without overcomplicating with little gain, basically

shrewd night
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!mute @fickle jasper Take a day to consider whether or not you wish to be a meaningful member to this community.

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Anyone else while Im here?

arctic socket
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During prog it might be better to just send them on cd

shrewd night
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Reminder that this is not your buddys discord server, or your own where you can spread bigoted views disguised as jokes.

royal lantern
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thanks shien prayge

iron carbon
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Speaking of court, how do you manage the mark swap?

arctic socket
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Hold vanish for if it ever drops

buoyant pilot
woeful meteor
arctic socket
woeful meteor
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but ye it doesnt rly matter the fight isn't a dps check anymore Shrugeg

shrewd night
arctic socket
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Do the math? KEKL

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Math is stinky

iron carbon
arctic socket
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I mean sure?

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But who wants to play fatebound

iron carbon
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I dunno If I prefer hold vanish or play fatebound

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I'm sick I think

royal lantern
woeful meteor
royal lantern
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thinking about cringebound at all means that you should get tested

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brain is bleeding

woeful meteor
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Fatebound could be fine it's more bursty and a dmg amp fight Hmmge

arctic socket
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I wonder if fatebound sims higher for me yet

iron carbon
iron carbon
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Not at silk in MM yet

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But that's the only fight I struggle

arctic socket
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Imagine still doing / needing stuff form heroic

shrewd night
royal lantern
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spymasters/queen ring dont exist btw

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man, why are people doing heroic? i dont know

nova aspen
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cape doesnt exist either

arctic socket
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Probably to get the very rare items that don’t exist

woeful meteor
iron carbon
iron carbon
royal lantern
# iron carbon That's what I try to do, but intermission switch isn't consistent in HC

on heroic, just mark the guy that does into intermission next tbh

like, mark the caster and train on her until intermission is over, then mark the bettle guy, then in p3 you just alternate the marks after every dmg AMP mechanic

in heroic you are not holding cds for the amp anyway, so its w/e, the 2% more dmg you would have done with the mark doesnt matter there

restive merlin
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!up

iron carbon
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I'll give a try, maybe I'll be more consistent

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Cause that's my main issue, being inconsistent between pulls

arctic socket
midnight mist
spice spire
crimson zephyr
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how important in m+ is the upkeep of garrote?

spice spire
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Improved pretty - non empowered? Not very. On boss (st) pretty important

silent thunder
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Hey. When will be Mastery stronger then Crit are there Breakpoints or will it stay at Crit>Mastery? Sorry english is not my first language 😄

iron carbon
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!stats

prisma monolithBOT
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There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
  • Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
silent thunder
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Okay ty. So my Sim is not wrong to go with Crit Mastery sockets. Tyty

quasi stump
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hi rooges

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how are we this monday

halcyon grail
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I have a tummy ache.
classic

spice spire
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Damn

quasi stump
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gonna do a 7 mists on sin

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then imma shower

spice spire
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Hell yeah homie

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You got this

halcyon grail
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I'm being very brave about it though.

quasi stump
arctic socket
tropic cedar
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whats dn

fallen arch
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Darkest night

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Deathstalker capstone

halcyon grail
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Deez N

tropic cedar
halcyon grail
spice spire
soft scaffold
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!trick

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!trade

fallen arch
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!tricks

prisma monolithBOT
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Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
drifting cedar
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If we are in a boss fight and we drop the mark do we vanish to reapply it or usually vanish last 6 seconds of KB?

quasi stump
marble hemlock
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might take a little practice on a fight like silken court, but its better to learn how to not have your mark drop, than use a CD inefficiently

drifting cedar
marble hemlock
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if you end up playing a build that isnt taking improved garrote thats fine

marble hemlock
solar wyvern
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Yeah, you just hold your darkest night proc

quasi wigeon
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if we have a buffed garrote , do we refresh after it expires ?

solar wyvern
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If you know they're phasing soon

drifting cedar
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Got yall thanks

marble hemlock
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like, it might happen, but its not smth you wanna adjust for in your CD usage, its smth you wanna adjust for by playing better the next time.

That being said, if you do end up on a fight like ulgrax, then yeah, youd vanish to reapply mark instead in that one pull

spice spire
marble hemlock
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so youd vanish->ambush->garrote and then pop DM

onyx coyote
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I'm having issues with heroic queen and doing more dps on it. Should I be using the force induction layout or the 2 points into lethality one? I'm seeeing people doing both. I'm ending up about 40 mil behind people on phase 1 and 3.

halcyon grail
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1-3 are usually where I pump.

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2 points lethality.

onyx coyote
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Yea everyone is putting bout 150 mil into her but i'm only getting 110 mil.

halcyon grail
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I try not to clip that empowered garrote,

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Slam a MA Envenom

onyx coyote
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I noticed the wowhead build at some point changed away from lethality thats why i was unsure if i should be doing that

halcyon grail
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Lather on the CDs when they come up

onyx coyote
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Do I also lose a lot of dps since i'm a popper?

gleaming cove
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Depends how the marks are placed, but generally I'd say no if they're going in melee like they should be

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Who are you comparing yourself to?

onyx coyote
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Other people in my guild group I seem to be the lowest dps but with a much higher ilvl. I do not have a sacbrood though and am using ritual knife.

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I', m ending up finishing attempts at anywhere from 600 to 900k depending on how procs have gone.

gleaming cove
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Whats your uptime like end of P1 (her intermission I guess?)? Are you shadowstepping through the pulls or running out?

onyx coyote
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running out

oak tangle
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you're not killing it? cause you will gain a bunch of damage from execute phase

onyx coyote
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no we are dying on platforms

gleaming cove
oak tangle
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what %age is she when you go to platforms?

halcyon grail
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Like 41-39?

onyx coyote
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between 45 and 50

oak tangle
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im trying to pull up logs to compare for oyu, but it seems scuffed atm

onyx coyote
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its quite lagged at moment

oak tangle
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my guild goes into intermission at about 30% though

onyx coyote
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This is a pug i ran last night that kicked me for low dps but logs say I was blue parsing.

oak tangle
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that's troll af to kick you

coral ibex
gleaming cove
coral ibex
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use the spatter cleave build

gleaming cove
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Yeah that'll bump your damage in both phases. Depending on comp the silken tomb webs dont really matter but it'll bump your numbers at least

onyx coyote
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I was single target cause the webs were being killed faster then i could get an envenom off

iron carbon
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You need spatter for adds in P3 too

onyx coyote
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okay yea i had never seen phase 3 before that pug.

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that phase is some insanity

merry bison
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Does someone have a the mouseover from casualaddict?

iron carbon
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wdym? For garrote?

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and Rupture?

merry bison
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both

iron carbon
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/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead] [] Garrote

pliant remnant
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Why does it specifically have to be from Casualaddict?

onyx coyote
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Thank you for all the help btw.

oak tangle
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spatter wont help your boss dam though

merry bison
merry bison
iron carbon
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That's mine, not casual one 😛

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It will cast on the mouseover. If no mouseover, your current target

onyx coyote
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There was something else i was not sure of on queen. Are melee supposed to be killing shackles? I tried to help out and ended up webbed.

royal lantern
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i mean, you dont run INTO the shackles

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and the tanks are supposed to bring the Boss to them so that they can get cleaved down

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but tanks and doing mechanics, lol

iron carbon
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More used to put shackles under boss

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And cleave it

onyx coyote
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my guild tanks are good on that but i've been pugging it and they tend to not even give you discord to hear calll outs when ya pug.

royal lantern
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well, WoW rule #3: never Pug

iron carbon
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Cause tank don't move

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They are "tanks"

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Same for adds, pop it close to the boss and RoP for cleave

quartz relic
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I have a question for the best of this discord, who prefers to carry Arakara trinket 639 or Empowering Crystal 626? m+ 13-14+

gentle coyote
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Question - in ST are you not letting your energy drop to 30 to pop tea? and is it important to maintain envenom buff

oak tangle
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feelcraft, but i only care about tea management outside CD and if close to a kb window just to ensure it'll be smooth

iron carbon
iron carbon
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And I try to not activate tea outside of shiv

quartz relic
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I have these but I also have the crystal 626

gentle coyote
iron carbon
gentle coyote
iron carbon
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But, I don't use if I got less than 20 sec remaining on kingsbane

iron carbon
gentle coyote
flint summit
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If I forget to apply Deathstalkers Mark on a boss initially, the only way to apply it is with Vanish right? I was doing runs yesterday and kept forgetting to ambush and just didn’t have a mark for half a boss fight in M+

iron carbon
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Right

flint summit
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Ok, so just gotta remember to Ambush more. Am used to Fatebound opener

iron carbon
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Just need to ambush once

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Then you do the loop with marks and DN

oak tangle
flint summit
iron carbon
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If you track it on a WA, it will be good

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Don't hesitate to apply if you pull with a few sec left on DN

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I mean, open with ambush in the case you won't be able to proc DN before the buff fade

onyx coyote
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I'd like to know

oak tangle
# onyx coyote I'd like to know

i noticed that you have the same number of shiv casts as kingsbanes, which likely means you are not refreshing shiv for the end of kingsbane. you also have pretty poor uptime on your dots

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and on a few of your wipes, you have the same kingsbane casts as deathmark casts, which means you aren't doing kb's on 1 minute intervals

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playing around our KB windows is very important

amber brook
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In M+ do you shiv on packs only to remove enrage or for dmg?

oak tangle
onyx coyote
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so i shoudl be shiving again during kings bane?

oak tangle
onyx coyote
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i've been nmaking sur ei always have a charge

amber brook
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I've clearly been never shivving in packs at all

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time to change that

oak tangle
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sub / outlaw main?

oak tangle
onyx coyote
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thank you i will set up an aura for that

amber brook
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Nope, first season of me playing rogue

oak tangle
spice spire
oak tangle
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first importance is to buff kingsbane windows, but in keys you'll have a use in between kingsbanes

iron carbon
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For disenrage

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On gb and nw at least

amber brook
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I see tanks die on the Orges in GB quite frequently

spring stream
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!pooling

prisma monolithBOT
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Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

  • For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
  • For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

oak tangle
iron carbon
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Yep, big CC or disenrage

grizzled geyser
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disenrage sounds like a hunter that fell into the depths of gb lol

royal lantern
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like, they drop all stacks after not attacking for literally 2 seconds

amber brook
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Those orges that rapid smack

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yep

spice spire
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We have kidney blind cheap shot

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Idk man

oak tangle
spice spire
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Why do mechanic when press shield block?

pliant remnant
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antiundisenrage

arctic socket
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Just bubble taunt

fallen arch
oak tangle
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i was mistweaver throwin 900k hps

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in a 7

royal lantern
quasi stump
onyx coyote
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another sacbrood missed one day he will arrive

quasi stump
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i love arms rn its really fun but

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its made of paper

arctic socket
quasi stump
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its somehow the least defensive plate class

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like

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you'd think fury would be less durable

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but no

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arms has like. 2 defensives, 1 health recovery tool and rallying cry

royal lantern
willow falcon
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is an update to the builds on wowhead recent? just noticed that people are swaying away from lethality in favour of supercharger

slim pebble
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@arctic socket Im not gonna get hurt again this week

arctic socket
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People swap to what ever sims the highest for them

arctic socket
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And not a full heroic vault

slim pebble
final star
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pug 2 bosses

slim pebble
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and then tehy go into mythic

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I should prolly kill two bosses so I have more chances at poison ring

arctic socket
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What boss are they prog?

final star
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it's light work

slim pebble
arctic socket
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Ah

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Lucky to be on the bench

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That fight is rough

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But so so so fun

wary copper
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
fresh trench
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heyo

Just quickly wanna know what spec is considered the most "beginner friendly" of the 3 rogue has?

slim pebble
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I was in for a night last week and it was a mess to learn

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but once I got it down it was cool

arctic socket
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The lines are fun to do

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And then the pull with balls was fun

final star
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princess is my favourite fight in the raid

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:3

slim pebble
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I shadowstepped behind boss at one point and got splattered by two balls

arctic socket
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That was fun

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Learning rash was also very fun

onyx coyote
arctic socket
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Trinket

spice surge
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Theres like 1 or 2 entire tiers in a tierlist inbetween her and the next best boss this raid

sudden sigil
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!builds

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Dammit

final star
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wasn't much to learn on rashanan

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shoulda been one pull

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took six

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princess the first fight where defensive usage is really impactful

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and actually made you play elusiveness too which was nice

spice surge
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Its also cool, feels fun and whenever you wipe its because somebody made a tangible mistake and it feels kinda fair

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Whereas on a fight like silken court, sometimes you ran into a double orb and died and it feels like bullshit

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Or somebody triggered their soak circle 0.2 seconds too late on queen and you wipe

quasi stump
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super chill

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outlaws pretty slow going too

spice surge
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Outlaw is not very slow

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Its extremely fast

final star
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I play the no AR build

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It's quite slow, would recommend

spice spire
autumn remnant
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no ar no crackshot?

onyx coyote
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Is there a way to make a weakaura that would let me know when shiv is not up during kings bane? I tried to make one but it does not seem to like the additional conidition

slate crown
coral ibex
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outlaw is one of the fastest specs

slate crown
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!wa Both whispyr and my shiv icons in our packs glow when shiv isn't up during kb

prisma monolithBOT
slate crown
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if you want an example of the conditions

onyx coyote
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cool ty

quasi stump
hollow warren
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Quick question, is the rare neck also better for m+ stuff or just raid only?

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cuz im dropping a ton of crit for it

quasi stump
normal mist
spice spire
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But m+ for some justbdue to the lack of haste in their profile

quasi stump
hollow warren
normal mist
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How much upgrade? Sometimes we're talking about 0.2% increases like it was a big number

hollow warren
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around 18k

normal mist
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That's 2(?)% right

hollow warren
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yes 2-3%

normal mist
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Fuck it, use it.
I honestly think that most of my DPS in m+ comes from actually playing properly vs having the right gear

hollow warren
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yeah thats true and the extra versa is nice too

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in dungeon slice it shows me as 20k dps worse

spice spire
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And mana for healer

hollow warren
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in like 2,1mio dps

spice spire
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So healer goes oom less

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L

quasi stump
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they should give rogue ancestral guidance

hollow warren
normal mist
quasi stump
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maybe its because I play mistweaver and havent done M+ on it but I've never really gone OOM on it in pulls

vivid mulch
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In your opinion guys, concoction or spelunkers

normal mist
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What's spelunker

vivid mulch
normal mist
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Spelunker

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Both are shit

vivid mulch
quasi stump
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LMAO

hollow warren
vivid mulch
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Yeah ik

normal mist
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Spelunker doesn't fuck you up

vivid mulch
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Well conc is only one jump

normal mist
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Until you forget

quasi stump
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LMAO

normal mist
vivid mulch
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I mean yeah it is D tier

normal mist
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And even with a big ass WA telling me to jump

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I sometimes forget

burnt dome
vivid mulch
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There is a trinket that needs you to jump 3 times right

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Which one is that

scenic nacelle
normal mist
versed gulch
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Meanwhile I like to jump all the time. So having the trinket cancel 1 second in feels bad too.

burnt dome
slate crown
spice spire
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Heck

rotund bobcat
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hey is the assa rotation wowhead guide up to date ? for single target cd they use 2x shiv but no one plays with double shiv charge

slate crown
cursive copper
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have aura for this tasks

rotund bobcat
slate crown
spice spire
stark scroll
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😄

slate crown
spice spire
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If m+ same logic, just do the last shiv

rotund bobcat
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i'm just looking at m+ loadouts maybe that's that i guess

scenic nacelle
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Who is nobody? Is he on Warcraft logs?

spice spire
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Only

scenic nacelle
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What server

rotund bobcat
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the info i needed

spice spire
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Glhf homie

slate crown
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Glad I could help provide the information you need

rotund bobcat
languid dock
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!plater

prisma monolithBOT
slate crown
normal mist
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Where dafuq do you get these

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My friend is asking again

spice spire
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@arctic socket

pliant remnant
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Yeah, what's the source, bro

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so I can avoid it

normal mist
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Obviously

spice spire
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I sent the source wth

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I get weird ass dms

normal mist
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What

spice spire
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I pung her

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That’s the source OliverHUH

normal mist
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Oh yeah

wild pine
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if im doing a high key, should i be using deathmark on cooldown when fighting trash? i dont see the point of doing that since it rly only buffs your bleed on that 1 target

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but every video guide does use it so im conflicted

subtle tundra
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Ofc you use it

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Why wouldn't you

wild pine
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idk it never seemed that important to use on that especially if we clear them fast enough and im at the boss with no deathmark

burnt dome
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well you would generally hold for a short amount of time for priority targets

subtle tundra
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You use as many times as possible

tropic cedar
merry bison
real granite
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deathmark extra nature hits goes through spatter

subtle tundra
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If it wasn't timed content maybe youd be right

real granite
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thats aoe

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so you really want to optimize dm usage on pulls

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plus lingering

spice spire
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I don’t know who that is

wild pine
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good point

arctic socket
versed gulch
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When it comes to delaying CDs I find it way too easy to fall into the trap of delaying it repeatedly because the next pull will be better or the boss is in 3 pulls.

real granite
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you dont NEED to start the boss with cds

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only to line them with bl

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which is 45secs

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so you have quite a window

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in the cases you bl the boss

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so usually you wouldnt delay cds that much for a boss

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and certainly not during 3 entire pulls

arctic socket
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@spice spire got you the essentials

royal lantern
spice spire
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Dog what

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I think they meant to ping @balmy condor

halcyon grail
arctic socket
halcyon grail
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Basically, unless it's the very last pull before boss, I send it.

arctic socket
slate crown
# spice spire Dog what

I've been through the green name initiation rituals, I know what we're given during onboarding, you don't need to lie about what you're required to wear while at your desk

arctic socket
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Yooo

drowsy hatch
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Checkmate

spice spire
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If I’m wearing that I’m actually going to die irl

slate crown
spice spire
arctic socket
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The wolf/fox ears though

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Are superior

arctic socket
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I would never do that

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Eating booty just sounds weird

spice spire
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For the weak willed maybe

drowsy hatch
spice spire
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Dog ain’t no way

drowsy hatch
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had to make sure i got the screen

ember mural
spice spire
oak tangle
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this is getting too close to the feral discord

final star
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who tf uses discord on browser at home lol!

drowsy hatch
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side pc that I wiped and am actually too lazy to install

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I meant uh

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who says I'm at home

real granite
wild pine
drowsy hatch
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u dont know me

spice spire
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She a freak fr

arctic socket
distant plinth
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what is those? is it tails or what

arctic socket
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Freaky

drowsy hatch
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lmao

arctic socket
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Ears n a collar

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I’m jealous

distant plinth
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ahh... i perf flurry tails

spice spire
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No that’s tails

drowsy hatch
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ive got a tail too but cant show

arctic socket
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Lmao

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Uuuh

drowsy hatch
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iyky

spice spire
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Are you okay

ember mural
drowsy hatch
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no

real granite
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no wonders

drowsy hatch
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you said that not me

spice spire
strong wing
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Holy shit what the fuck is going on guys

real granite
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XDD

oak tangle
strong wing
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😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

drowsy hatch
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im keeping it pure

quasi stump
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im not

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i want to have sex with men pepeScream

spice spire
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What is happening

real granite
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ok this is

spice spire
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Are we collectively okay today

real granite
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going too far

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XD

halcyon grail
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Yep that's enough #ravenholdt for one day

spice spire
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Do we need some group therapy to let frustrations out like what is in the water today

oak tangle
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group therapy will mean something else to these folks

quasi stump
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group meeting

drowsy hatch
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im not pretending im ok

strong wing
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No fap november boys keep it in mind

real granite
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all chat lurkers rn V

normal mist
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I can't imagine Liliana dms rn

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Hope she's okay

drowsy hatch
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nah if I did was thresh onlyfans said

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that would be the problem

strange python
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Those DMs look like a bomb was dropped

spice spire
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Good luck to you as well

normal mist
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Lier

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You lost like 3 days ago

drowsy hatch
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lost at 12:02 11/1

strong wing
spice spire
spice spire
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First one in over a decade I’ve had a choice in

gaunt sigil
#

I lost last night to a picture of Whispyr

spice spire
#

We will see it through

strong wing
#

You will unlock nirvana if you make it

spice spire
#

Damn real

arctic socket
#

What I do?

drowsy hatch
#

posting it w/ wearing them

arctic socket
#

Oh do it

#

Cat ear pics are god tier

drowsy hatch
#

im cowardly

arctic socket
#

Dms pogu

marble hemlock
#

its like

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twice that you gotta pay attention to it

quiet oar
#

Court

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is so boring

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i stop paying attention

marble hemlock
#

the way it ends up lining up for me is that you get a darkest night proc in p1 like 10-15sec before they transition so its super easy

#

2nd one is a bit harder, but at that point you can just vanish after 2nd intermission and shift CDs to the caster again

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since hitting scarab if youre red is kinda cringe anyway

static glacier
#

you just start thinking about it in kingsbane after 2nd big guy charge

marble hemlock
#

ye

inner rapids
#

we play 2 vanish in M+ now ?

static glacier
inner rapids
#

i see it in the guide

quiet oar
inner rapids
#

so i thought i might be bis

quiet oar
#

You evolve anti anti horny genes !?

static glacier
#

without a trace is mainly a QoL thing

tropic cedar
#

other than that it's not too bad

drowsy hatch
#

its overused on me so naturally id gain resistance

marble hemlock
tropic cedar
#

you have to cycle 1 but can't be any more than that

marble hemlock
#

you DPS stop anyway in 1st intermission

tropic cedar
#

ye its not terrible since you stop dps

marble hemlock
#

so getting that one is kinda easy

tropic cedar
#

but just annoying

marble hemlock
#

dunno

#

felt pretty free

lavish portal
#

PI on Rog for Ovinax, good or bad?

quiet oar
marble hemlock
#

just angle yourself so you dont auto

#

and just use abilities

spice spire
#

Ur gonna make me blush

winged quail
spice spire
marble hemlock
#

since you can hit abilities in a 180° arc in front of you, but you can only autoattack in a 120° arc in front of you

quiet oar
marble hemlock
#

so if you angle yourself correctly, you can still hit mutilate while not doing any auto attacks

autumn gyro
static glacier
quiet oar
spice spire
noble void
#

Iron wire is great for GB

grim vigil
#

hi rogue ppl, on aoe everything gucci we blasting, but on st without cds im at around 500k-700k at 630 gs? that cant be normal no?

spice spire
#

Slightly low

#

But burst class is going to do burst damage

arctic socket
winged quail
#

There’s a bunch of different M+ talents, some take iron wire, some take subterfuge and MA, some take 2x lethality and drop MA

quiet oar
#

on bosses

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but im at 635

grim vigil
#

oh ok then im fine

spice spire
lethal arrow
#

i also do around 900k - 1.2 at 632

#

we're just poopoo st dps in m+

grim vigil
#

well 500k-700k is when i have nothing and 900k -1.2 m is my norm aswell i would say

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so im fine?

iron carbon
#

You are

grim vigil
#

ok thx

quiet oar
#

If you have no CDs

#

you do tank pally dmg

#

ye

lethal arrow
#

yeah then ur fine

spice spire
#

I also do around 900-1.2 at 623

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(Except I don’t)

grim vigil
#

same as my frost dk

#

great

static glacier
quiet oar
grim vigil
#

was wondering if its too low

spice spire
#

Nah I’m an 800-1m gamer Unfort

static glacier
#

nah thats about right with nothing

spice spire
#

In st

lethal arrow
#

meanwhile mages with spymasters doing 2.4m

grim vigil
#

yea with cds im at that ez 😄 we talking

lethal arrow
grim vigil
#

NOTHING

winged quail
#

A lot of your ST dps is gonna depend on fight length too

spice spire
#

You quintuple pull

grim vigil
#

ok bois thx for the help

spice spire
#

And just get nothing

#

Glhf homie

lethal arrow
winged quail
#

I wish more tanks would pull packs with bosses, we get good value when that happens

spice spire
#

Even in 12s man

#

Ele illegal

lethal arrow
#

the guildies i run m+ for vault with are too geared

spice spire
#

Oh dude I’m a rat

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And other people are similar rats

#

So 10s still provide challenges

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Also

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The split up strat with all melee in siege is high key goat stuff

winged quail
#

I don’t bother using DM on packs anymore or the prio ad dies halfway in to kingsbane

spice spire
#

Night and day

lethal arrow
#

yeah i miss the struggle GB i did

nocturne sparrow
#

is there any 1 button macro for assa rog?

lethal arrow
#

take me back

deft sluice
quiet oar
#

Nerf Fury

spice spire
#

Meet me in Loyd xoxo

lethal arrow
nocturne sparrow
oak tangle
#

highly doubt that

lethal arrow
hexed lodge
#

saw u guys doing ST talk , this is a 16% ilvl parse at 629 . where am i doing so so so wrong? 😦

spice spire
# real granite mhm?

If you have all melee on final boss one just fucks off to the non slam tendies

#

So you’re not mega crowded

real granite
#

ahh yea

spice spire
#

Brother link the log don’t ss it

#

That tells me nothing

spice spire
#

Except your bleed uptime is low

#

That’s the one thing it says

gaunt sigil
#

Your KB damage is insanely low for 5 casts

grim vigil
#

one more thing, how do i find out if i need more haste? im at 17k crit and 18k mastery. Because stat weights is not recommended on raid bots

#

14k crit*

halcyon grail
spice spire
#

Danny log review

eager gazelle
lethal arrow
#

looks like hes opening with mutilate so DSM isnt getting applied

hexed lodge
halcyon grail
# static glacier ilvl parses are dumb af

Ilevel parse is the only real valid one tbh. I can troll around in heroic all week with BiS mythic gear and scab the logs/rank.

If someone is 20 ilevel under the rest of his party and parsing purple or better for his or her ilevel, while they're green or blue, he or she is a better player. Period.

#

"YEA BRO I PARSED A 99!" (in normal)

hollow river
#

ilvl parses can be extremely skewed

halcyon grail
#

(dude is 636 ilevel )

strong wing
hollow river
#

due to just small sample size

#

so i would not agree with that

shy pecan
#

Also things like not having a slot equipped can affect ilvl as well

halcyon grail
#

I mean, 8/8 mythic groups are also a small sample size.

#

Comparably

onyx coyote
#

it seems anythign with rogues is a small sample size sometimes

halcyon grail
#

Only gnomes.

onyx coyote
#

i'm surprised more people do not play rogues

eager gazelle
#

no way to avoid the skew

arctic socket
spice spire
arctic socket
#

I thought it was both tbh

harsh harbor
#

619 ritual knife outsimming hero Sac and desg, that normal?

spice spire
eager gazelle
#

the only reason knife is held back is that you can't get it myth track

#

knife is cracked

spice spire
#

I’m off iladies forever

strong wing
spice spire
harsh harbor
lethal arrow
spice spire
drowsy hatch
#

Interwench

spice spire
#

Inter wrench is crazy

gaunt sigil
#

Hey I’ll be a digital wife for anything of monetary value

eager gazelle
waxen oyster
#

and sucks at solo content

real granite
spice spire
#

^

spice spire
gaunt sigil
#

Pedo

arctic socket
spice spire
#

I’d never just randomly call someone a prostitute kekdog

#

Wat

arctic socket
#

Lies

spice spire
#

Young woman doesn’t mean that mochierm

gaunt sigil
#

I’m just joking don’t worry

spice spire
#

I don’t joke about pedophilia

spice spire
#

I see it too much at work SmileDog

arctic socket
#

Now that’s

spice spire
arctic socket
#

Something I didn’t expect to see

real granite
#

........................

waxen oyster
#

lmao

real granite
#

just when i though this channel couldnt surprise me anymore.....

#

brother

#

i cant

spice spire
#

I’m just trying to mentally parse

#

What that is

real granite
#

its a fucking cockorach

#

fucking a fairy

#

and

#

i cant

arctic socket
#

Tinker bell getting dick down by a roach

oak tangle
#

i knew the sin channel was offtopic, didnt think it was offitshead

spice spire
real granite
#

not only that

arctic socket
#

I’m surprised that post hasn’t been deleted yet

#

Tbh

spice spire
#

Going back to earlier

real granite
#

but alu face

spice spire
#

Are we good guys

undone pollen
#

best way to farm valorstones?

grim vigil
runic hinge
waxen oyster
#

Pretty sure the meme is egirl chaser tank player

spice spire
waxen oyster
#

in m+

spice spire
#

Outside of injuring myself for ego lifting I’m great

#

You know this wasn’t going to be kosher bud

copper hazel
#

ima have to lint roller those before gettting down to business

waxen oyster
#

in a meaningful way

spice spire
arctic socket
marble hemlock
spice spire
#

Huh

marble hemlock
#

did i stutter?

arctic socket
#

@marble hemlock are you Batman?

spice spire
#

Idk man you’re typing not speaking

#

Also

marble hemlock
spice spire
#

I think we’ve only spoken like

marble hemlock
#

wish i was, that would mean im rich

spice spire
#

2-3 ever

#

That’s kinda sad to me

marble hemlock
#

wcyd

spice spire
arctic socket
marble hemlock
#

gargling them like mouthwash ye

spice spire
drowsy hatch
#

I'm batman without the wealth, martial arts, or sense of justice = )

gloomy heart
#

do i have to put my tank in my tricks macro everytime or is there a macro that can auto do it

prisma monolithBOT
#

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
real granite
spice spire
drowsy hatch
#

And depression

oak tangle
#

anyone have a macro / weak aura to cleanse my soul after reading this channel for the past hour

arctic socket
#

Lili in a black latex suit would hit different

static glacier
# halcyon grail Ilevel parse is the only real valid one tbh. I can troll around in heroic all we...

WALL INCOMING BEWARE - alright, now im finally done with ingame stuff let me reply. have you considered how parses can fail to correlate to player skill? let's say if I'm competing with a bunch of casuals who don't care about the game, I'm going to destroy them in most if not all metrics of perrformance, or someone on an alt not using consumables / enchants etc. THAT is who you compete against with ilvl parses if you're that low geared person getting good ilvl parses. On the flip side ilvl parses fail to consider where you have your ilvls, 30 ilvls on a cloak is not in the same galaxy as 30 ilvls on a weapon or high stat budget piece like chest, finally we have cantrip items (ansurek ring) and clearly overtuned trinkets (spymaster's) further reducing the meaningfulness of ilvl as a reliable metric. With all this taken into account let me explain why actual parses can fail to indicate player skill: sample size. simply put some specs have too little sample size, big example historically has been survival, there's barely any people who consistently play it in mythic, a rank 10 on survival in mid-late mythic can easily not be orange or 90s even meanwhile someone doing 100k less dps than you on a class played by the general playerbase and not diehards only can do less damage, play worse and parse similarly if not higher simply due to sample size of parses for that spec overall. This isn't even getting into cases where someone plays atrociously and parses 99 in mythic due to good rng on a burst class (yes, that has happened to me clowning trinket sequencing with double on use boomkin in nathria) TL;DR - RESULTS BASED ANALYSIS AIN'T IT. YOU JUDGE SOMEONE'S SKILL BY THEIR INPUTS / CASTS FROM A LOG. NOT FROM A PARSE NUMBER.

drowsy hatch
#

With the collar

arctic socket
#

Collar too? Broooo

spice spire
spice spire
#

I was about to meme it

#

But in reality

#

Real

drowsy hatch
#

I actually had this exact thing happen

#

when I started playing in DF on outlaw I had the exact same casts as the top parse

spice spire
drowsy hatch
#

but like 40% less dps

arctic socket
drowsy hatch
#

We say we will

arctic socket
#

@drowsy hatch “pillow fight” at my place? I got ALOT of squishy plushies

drowsy hatch
#

I'll bring my own exs_uwu

real granite
#

just that cast timelines > number of casts

arctic socket
#

In a set of two? ahri_spin

subtle tundra
#

Ok so anyone can help me with buying a new phone

sturdy mesa
#

sry wrong chat

real granite
#

o.o

eager gazelle
arctic socket
subtle tundra
#

Only performance I care about is camera

arctic socket
halcyon grail
subtle tundra
#

I'll never get a iPhone again

marble hemlock
#

only meaningful performance metric is wowprogress simdps rankings

subtle tundra
#

Going from iPhone to android was a blessing

drowsy hatch
#

I have a pixel 9 I really like

marble hemlock
halcyon grail
#

"do we need the boss dead? Is it dead? How many of us are dead?"

drowsy hatch
#

Was cheap cause I use google fi too

arctic socket
#

I have the new iPhone and it’s pretty nice

marble hemlock
#

someone wanna come here and shoot me

#

i have to raid 4 days in a row

gentle gyro
#

ok, quick question, the "new" build with 12s of IC means you can spread garrote / rupture to a lot of targets, but to me it feels like that I deal less dmg than last patch where I just did the default Gar -> Gar -> Rup -> Rup -> Ct -> ST Focus Target

am i trying to apply too many bleeds now or am I just imagining things.

subtle tundra
spice spire
marble hemlock
drowsy hatch
spice spire
#

That’s the preference here

subtle tundra
ember mural
fleet pagoda
marble hemlock
#

and hi doz, youre cute today

valid sand
#

does anyone use xCT+ combat text?

drowsy hatch
marble hemlock
#

(like every day)

ember mural
arctic socket
sturdy mesa
#

Did everyone have a good day today

gentle gyro
marble hemlock
onyx coyote
drowsy hatch
fleet pagoda
subtle tundra
#

I live in a third world country we are not that developed

arctic socket
#

That’s explains a lot

sturdy mesa
marble hemlock
drowsy hatch
#

Oh right, they might still have it cause it works international

arctic socket
sturdy mesa
#

NNN is for weaklings

arctic socket
#

Today

subtle tundra
#

Bro, free the nut

marble hemlock
#

imagine letting someone tell you when you can and cannot nut that isnt wearing at least 70% leather, and the calendar sure as hell doesnt.

spice spire
#

So I’m going to make my choice and do it

subtle tundra
#

So I won't

spice spire
#

Ur so real for that

marble hemlock
subtle tundra
#

That was yesterday

arctic socket
#

How much money do yall think content creators lose during NnN

sturdy mesa
#

The woman on twitch told me not to do nnn so i wont

arctic socket
#

Or do they gain

subtle tundra
#

They get a big surge in December

spice spire
#

I mean yeah

marble hemlock
spice spire
#

It’s destroy dick December

subtle tundra
#

It evens out

halcyon grail
#

Let's not be exclusionary

marble hemlock
#

nah, theres no difference

#

in traffic

#

to pornsites during november

#

except thanksgiving, but ye

spice spire
subtle tundra
#

We have a data scientist here...

halcyon grail
#

Thanksgiving only changes the keywords.

spice spire
#

Isn’t thanksgiving like a big one

#

Oddly

subtle tundra
#

The nut researcher

drowsy hatch
#

Or the anti NNN people are doubling down their usage

#

To counteract

marble hemlock
sturdy mesa
marble hemlock
drowsy hatch
#

it do good

spice spire
#

Seli the type of guy to bust in containers all week to see when his peak volume is

marble hemlock
plain basin
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
coral ibex
#

too tired to goon after eating

arctic socket
#

Georgia goes strong

torpid sparrow
#

!trick

real granite
#

care where you nut guys

spice spire
marble hemlock
spice spire
#

One of those is not a fun on

marble hemlock
#

post event rise in traffic

real granite
#

you never know who can take that nut and ask for maintenance 9 month after

marble hemlock
#

think its mostly people travelling

#

tbh

slate crown
#

Hi! I'm a data analyst here and I have to say in my profession opinion that this channel is a statistical outlier in the gooner category yep yep

sturdy mesa
subtle cipher
#

!craft

prisma monolithBOT
#

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

spice spire
torpid sparrow
#

!tricks

prisma monolithBOT
#

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
spice spire
#

Also real

marble hemlock
#

actually nvm its not the travel

#

interesting

subtle tundra
#

Can't a guy just goon...

marble hemlock
#

its the sitting at the table with family

spice spire
#

It’s crazy when I’m not the worst offender (seli is never here)

inland fox
#

guys about spreading garote/ruptures do i need to tab target or it prioritizes a mob that doesnt have the bleed?

torpid sparrow
#

how does that wa and macro works? if i press tricks it always goes auto on tank? dont need a target/focus anymore?

halcyon grail
spice spire
#

It’ll be one less

#

But that’s fine

#

Makes you stay on your marked target and that’s helpfil

inland fox
#

yeah

marble hemlock
#

but ye anyway

#

enough shitposting

#

(for me anyway)

spice spire
#

Miss you love you

marble hemlock
#

if you say so

grim epoch
#

Is there any tech that my dumb ass can't figure out on skipping the first necromancer pack + these 2 mobs without any1 in the group getting in the combat? blind+sap doesn't seem to work always

spice spire
marble hemlock
#

ofc i stop the lewdposting and whispyr arrives to take over

twilit escarp
#

hi guys, why is my 7combo envenom sometimes critting 1mil and sometimes going brutally ham with 4.X mil?

slate crown
marble hemlock
slate crown
lone coral
arctic socket
#

To get your Supercharged points

lone coral
#

I’m running into conflicting guides on rotation and stat priority. Do we have a consensus on the best to follow?

drowsy hatch
#

!stats

prisma monolithBOT
#

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
  • Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
lone coral
#

So it’s just SIM and use what it suggests, okay I can manage that.

#

!rotation

drowsy hatch
#

Yeah, though sims will like haste in st more and less in m+

#

so keep that in mind

lone coral
#

Do we love the wow head rotation guide?

oak tangle
#

low key, stat weights are not the problem. rearranging stats won't change much if you dont play correctly

arctic socket
cinder quartz
#

we love turtles

lone coral
#

Okey-dokey, time to practice.

balmy condor
lone coral
#

I assume we use wowhead for macros and addons too then?

oak tangle
#

!wa

drowsy hatch
#

Whispyr is the #1 wowhead hater

prisma monolithBOT
marble hemlock
#

hate competition

oak tangle
#

!tea

prisma monolithBOT
#

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
rotund oak
marble hemlock
#

tbf youre a league above me so

balmy condor
marble hemlock
#

no

#

fuck league

#

dog game

balmy condor
#

Seli hates dogs

#

You cruel evil man