assassination

[balmy condor]

then they broke it with 11.0.5

[soft shale]

let me peg you

[brittle quail]

it happens to me this morning

[subtle tundra]

i lowkey want a nerf on it...

[balmy condor]

yes

[slate crown]

!wa LE collection has a standalone envenom tracker, an icon and a bar version are available in the link

[prisma monolith]

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[balmy condor]

it happened a month ago

they fixed it

[subtle tundra]

nvm i high key want a nerf on it...

[balmy condor]

then they broke it

[brittle quail]

ha

[vestal wren]

11.0.5 brought back many fixed bugs, lovely patch

[brittle quail]

classic blizzard then x)

[soft shale]

i mean kil jaeden was kinda the same but the nerfs were fast and heavy

[vestal wren]

it is likely a consequence of how they versioned the game

[soft shale]

also people were still on sassz ine maiden and avatar

[brittle quail]

for sure

[balmy condor]

I don't understand how their versioning procedures are so bad

[soft shale]

so they didnt live the darkness vietnam

we did

[vestal wren]

they split it in ptr and live, and applied the fixes to live

[brittle quail]

but yeah how does it get so bad

[vestal wren]

but didn't sync ptr to live

so when they released 11.0.5

[fleet mountain]

olla, quick question, people still play TTK with the bug right now? Or do people play old builds?

[soft shale]

versioning problems

[vestal wren]

they also had none of the hotfixes applied

you can look through the 11.0.5 hotfixes in spell data

[balmy condor]

bug is just for info, has no relevance to balance

[subtle tundra]

the bug is inconsequential

man that word is hard

[vestal wren]

and see all things ported after release

[fleet mountain]

Ah i thought it would be a pretty big dmg nerf

[vestal wren]

its the same reason the outlaw abuse was possible

[fleet mountain]

but i prolly just misunderstand the bug then 😛

[subtle tundra]

its some dps ofc

[balmy condor]

how many times are your envenoms getting parried bro god damn

[subtle tundra]

but ttk is too strong

[soft shale]

need a trickster rogue in raid

[quiet oar]

On Ovinax and Kyveza

always

[soft shale]

so you dont get parried bozo

[quiet oar]

[subtle tundra]

skill issue

[vestal wren]

just get a sub rogue in your group, problem fixed

[oak tangle]

move the raid difficulty to be like this?

[fleet mountain]

level 1 daggers 😦

[subtle tundra]

my sub swapped to assa...

[soft shale]

weak

[balmy condor]

yeah sure

looks reasonable

[vestal wren]

tell him sub is a lot more fun

[soft shale]

problem sometimes is people dont really like 2 or 3 hard bosses ina row

[quiet oar]

Ye shouldve get some mor expertise

tbfd

[balmy condor]

or just a smooth graph

[soft shale]

but i would like that

[balmy condor]

like just a straight line

[soft shale]

i do think first 4 should have more mechanics

[balmy condor]

but like

the first 3-4 bosses every tier are absolute fucking pushovers

[soft shale]

sikran and rasha nan one is so funny

[vestal wren]

its 4 hard bosses in a row, and a lot of personal agency

one player can quickly whipe the entire raid

[craggy pewter]

morning guys, quick question im new in rogue game, you guys dont use crimson tempest on bosses oder adds with many hp?

[soft shale]

ovi anx ky veza are not hard hard but it is annoying we are back to the billy missed something by 2cm

EVERYOEN DIES

[vestal wren]

exactly

[visual sun]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[vestal wren]

they are hard because of the time you have to coordinate

[balmy condor]

you use crimson tempest whenever there's 2 targets that will survive a majority of the bleed

[umbral sierra]

assume with the new hybrid build im looking to vanish to reup ma and imp gar as much as possible

[quiet oar]

I mean its a straight line

to the top

[soft shale]

cant they just make cool throughput bosses

without 10 annoying mechanics

[vestal wren]

and requireing 20 players to play well is difficult

[craggy pewter]

ty ❤️

[balmy condor]

the same thing you did with the "old" hybrid build yes

vanish is used for those things

[hallow sonnet]

Throughput bosses imo are only fun if you hit them at the exact right gear level. Kinda lame

[balmy condor]

now you jsut get it for longer

[umbral sierra]

gotta get a w/a to track ma ig

[balmy condor]

you don't

[quiet oar]

Idk on Silken Court, after someone was assigned web bomb for me, the fight is so boring i zone out and sometimes just run into someone

[vestal wren]

think we had some rly good throughput bosses in the last xpacs

smolderon for example

[umbral sierra]

dont want to vanish and ma not reup bc it has 1 second left yeah?

[quiet oar]

Like you sit there waiting for the important people to figure out how to play

[balmy condor]

you vanish when you need it

[oak tangle]

i need to wrap my head around the opener duration so i can grasp the vanish timings with double subterfuge

[umbral sierra]

or is it just dont vanish till after imp gar falls

[balmy condor]

like you open a pack

[quiet oar]

and you literally just a DMG dummy if you dont do webs on court

[balmy condor]

you just got a stealth off

why do you need to vanish immediately

that's a waste

use it for when you need to get the effects

[hallow sonnet]

imo best ones are the ones where you need a lot of damage, but the fight does all it can to remove damage from you. So you need to optimize a bad situation

[balmy condor]

chain pulls for example right

good use

you don't get a stealth, so you vanish to get imp gar/carnage

[quiet oar]

Kyveza is a good boss

[umbral sierra]

yeah u right

[quiet oar]

imo

You dont need Weakauras and stuff like that

you jsut need to move precisely

and do dmg

[vestal wren]

its incredibly difficult to balanace around this, especially given that you don't tailor the raid difficulty towards a extremely small amount of players with maxed out gear

[umbral sierra]

i am having a issue with the deathstalker stuff as well. i get darkest night and i open with ambush and even though i hit a 5 cp rupture it doesnt use a deathmark charge

[hallow sonnet]

Think it's decent, but it's not really the type

[balmy condor]

kyveza feels like a ffxiv boss, in a good way

[quiet oar]

Kyveza gave me Rygelon vibes

[umbral sierra]

i get that i wanna send darkest night but feels awkward to do so if i dont have splatter up

[vestal wren]

the only solution to keep bosses challanging would be to have fixed gear levels

[quiet oar]

Rygelon also was a Banger Boss

[balmy condor]

yes that's a bug

[subtle tundra]

i love kyveza when it put 2 charges on the same person

[quiet oar]

Few mechanics that need to be respected and just pump

[balmy condor]

you would get spatter up first

standard opener is bleeds -> mut for spatter -> envenom

[oak tangle]

this may be a dumb question, but can you have a plater nameplat act as a progress bar

[balmy condor]

I don't think so

[umbral sierra]

would i even hit ambush? sometimes i end up not having the time to do bleeds and spatter before dark night buff falls off btu that could just me being to slow

[winged pumice]

guys what is the best build for 10 and below?

[umbral sierra]

m+ seems very melee unfriendly rn

[balmy condor]

I suppose you might be able to hack some insane shit with a mod but it would be incredibly jank and probably not work the way you want it to

[oak tangle]

damn, i really wanna have my spatter count down the green part as it loses duration, 😦

[balmy condor]

yep, you would

[umbral sierra]

so ambush, gar, rup,rup fok, mut, ct, fok fok envenom?

[balmy condor]

yep

well, the foks could be garrotes

if you need them

[umbral sierra]

should i prio ct before sending darkest night spatter or wait

[balmy condor]

but yeh

prio the CT

[winged pumice]

could someone help me out 😄

[balmy condor]

the envenom carries you into your cds

[umbral sierra]

wouldnt fok be better for more poison spread and more cp's

[subtle tundra]

garrote good

[balmy condor]

well yeah but getting bleeds on thigns that don't have bleeds

is kinda the whole point

[balmy condor]

take any standard build from a guide

[umbral sierra]

fair, but isnt that just gar rup, tab to a non marked target gar, rup then find ur marked target

then send ur rotation

[balmy condor]

don't have to tab

but yeah

that's fine

[umbral sierra]

with gart giving 3 cp does that make it 9 if u have carnage up??

[balmy condor]

no

[winged pumice]

i see the subterfuge build but iron wire is so huge in pugs imo

[balmy condor]

guide builds have iron wire

[umbral sierra]

First is a +8 stonevault with sanguine, 2nd is a +8 wake with ma build. am i doing something wrong for the net lower dps or is this a logs question

[subtle tundra]

bro

[balmy condor]

different dungeons with different people

[subtle tundra]

i will

[balmy condor]

will be different dps

idk man

[subtle tundra]

dm a mod

[bronze pike]

different dungeons different tanks pull routes

[subtle tundra]

to get you mutted

! ! !

[umbral sierra]

both screenshots have iron wire

[glacial imp]

if im playing 8-9 keys is it better to have sbs or sd? currently running no sbs and ttk/ma but it feels kinda slow that Packs are almost dying when i rly start to Pop off

[bronze pike]

[subtle tundra]

good

[balmy condor]

bro this has nothing to do with talents

[subtle tundra]

your way of thinking is completely flawed

did you even play MA correctly

[umbral sierra]

i took the wrong ss this is the necro wake +8

[subtle tundra]

what are we supposed to do with this information

😭

[umbral sierra]

i was just sayign that bc vara was about to lose his mind

[bronze pike]

post a log and maybe we can find the issue here

[oak tangle]

NW has damage amps, SV has damage amps

kinda pointless to analyse

[bronze pike]

but ultimately different dungeons with different mechancis with different tank pull routes. its hard tojudge net overals with that info

now if you did the same dungeon same group of people twice

[umbral sierra]

valid

[subtle tundra]

not even
shit goes wrong and deviates all the time

[balmy condor]

you're doing the equivalent of saying:
"I sprinted a race for 40 minutes, and then I walked in a park with my dog for 40 minutes, and my step counter says I ran different distances, how is that possible, I was using my legs for both of them"

[bronze pike]

then thats (not useful info)

[balmy condor]

shit doesn't make sense man

[umbral sierra]

just felt a bit off bc on some fights i felt my damage was doing better but others it felt bad going from the previous build on wowhead to the new one

[subtle tundra]

i can run the same dungeon back to back with my group and have completely diff dps and cd timings

[bronze pike]

i think your just psyching yourself out

[subtle tundra]

cause of shit happening

[bronze pike]

if you feel like you need help, log your runs and hope someone can do a log review to find your painpoints

[subtle tundra]

yea its all in your head

[bronze pike]

but im sure your issues has nothing to do with builds

[balmy condor]

you get to a big pack 20 seconds slower than your previous run cause a dps fucked up his cds and a pack 15 minutes earlier was slow

now you don't have cds for the start of the pull

GG your dps is different

welcome to m+

[bronze pike]

yepper

[oak tangle]

i hit a 9.5 mil envenom in mists, i don't hit envenoms that big in other dungeons what am i doing wrong

[bronze pike]

ive been to helpful

but now i gotta balance that out

[subtle tundra]

youre not praying to the one and only god varas

[bronze pike]

varas your a poopoo head

[balmy condor]

invoke the pickle

that pickle guy is #1 varas opp on god

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-rick-and-morty-season3-adult-swim-rick-sanchez-pickle-rick-gif-9088343

[subtle tundra]

if the pickle can get me mythic ansurek ring on wednesday

id be thankful

[umbral sierra]

valid maybe it is in my head

[cunning needle]

@sharp crag does the mushroom tech also work in ara kara?

[shy marten]

is there a way to sim funnel damage?

[balmy condor]

didn't @subtle tundra go test

[cunning needle]

dunno

i might have logged by then

[balmy condor]

so funny thing about that, I was looking into optimizing for prio

and uh

caustic/deathstalker

is just like

that's the optimization

[subtle tundra]

i didnt get any arakaras

i have arakara today

didnt work in mists

so uh

-.-

[balmy condor]

++ rep farm bud

good work

[subtle tundra]

rep farmer

what can i do, comes with the profession(M+ degen)

[balmy condor]

well known romanian rep paddies

[vernal snow]

I actually tested the mushroom in CoT at the poison debuff miniboss on the way to the 3rd Boss and it works

[subtle tundra]

i didnt get to try it

[keen spruce]

What mushroom

[subtle tundra]

i had poison cleansing totem x2

🤯

[vernal snow]

Ye I played BC so I was honored with Sporeggar anyway 😂

[balmy condor]

there's some tbc mushroom bullshit that cleanses the devour affix

[vernal snow]

But yday night it 100% worked. I was surprised aswell haha

[balmy condor]

but apparently also works on the poison in city of threads

[umbral sierra]

what is funnel damage

[balmy condor]

which is an actual use case

[balmy condor]

singular focus

that entire talent

[shy marten]

yeah but i wanna know how much you gain

so i can flame people that steal my funnel

[balmy condor]

that's crazy

[full spear]

!wa

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[balmy condor]

how much you gain compared to what exactly

[shy marten]

bro my friend is playing fire mage

and absolutely not doing any single target to blast all the shit mobs and taking my funnel

like how much damage do i gain having X targets around a prio mob

compared to just the prio mob by itself

[umbral sierra]

are u not supposed to aoe in aoe m+ pulls

[shy marten]

depends on the pull

[umbral sierra]

give me a pizza but hold the cheese. and the sauce

[balmy condor]

quick sim single target, then quick sim like a 5 target fight same length

open the HTML

[subtle tundra]

tell him to keep himself safe

[balmy condor]

should have a bar for prio

[subtle tundra]

thats what id do

[shy marten]

is that gonna be funnel though

[subtle tundra]

every time

[balmy condor]

wdym is that gonna be funnel

[shy marten]

like is the APL going to play around doing the most prio dam

i guess it wouldn't change much

it just keeps CT up and fok env

[balmy condor]

bro I just said there isn't anything it plays around

that was my first response

[shy marten]

ok let me check

holy that's a lot

771k vs 1m but im rat gear and no tier

[umbral sierra]

at least its not all vers mastery pvp gear

[shy marten]

that sounds terrible

[umbral sierra]

im 609 ilvl in my pve gear and 638 pvp ilvl avg lol

[shy marten]

im 601 ilvl

[umbral sierra]

actually what ilvl should u be for +8-10s

i keep seeing people at like 620+

[drifting cloud]

well yeah you can get to 620 without ever stepping into an 8

[shy marten]

595-600 is enough

if you have a team of gamers

a good measurement of competent players is to look at week 1 gear

[umbral sierra]

How do I see what gear they had 6 weeks ago

[sharp crag]

if its a poison debuff and cleanseable its shroomable

[umbral sierra]

Also some of us were grinding 2400 in pvp and not in keys and doing the filth blizz calls “delves” week 1

[subtle tundra]

shrooming

😊

[subtle tundra]

only pvp rats cared about pvp

who dont usually touch pve

[umbral sierra]

Unfortunately there are mythic sets I want

[subtle tundra]

fortunately i dont give a shit about transmogs

[umbral sierra]

I only pve enough to get the 2k mount and aotc

[subtle tundra]

titles are cool if they are meaningful, but most of the time not

[cunning needle]

thanks will put this tech to good use

[subtle tundra]

even hall of fame kinda whatever now

[umbral sierra]

I pushed too many 99 parses and am burnt on raiding

Splits made me want to end it

[sharp crag]

there is another meme item that cleanses all debuffs but im keeping that one to myself for now

[umbral sierra]

Cloak

[sharp crag]

nope

[subtle tundra]

dm me

i pay you

with uh

@grim jay send some feet pics whenever you can

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-paws-gif-22060603

[sharp crag]

[subtle tundra]

youre just getting spellwarding

[umbral sierra]

In a fresh pull would ct be more prio over a darkest night envenom with splatter?

[balmy condor]

yes

[quiet oar]

[umbral sierra]

And kingsbane questions
1 how many stacks are you getting to on avg? I seem to be hitting 30ish before it falls off.
2 are we just mut and envenom spam when kb is active in single target? Ignoring the duration of envenom buff?
And bonus question in st is it just keep rupture and gar up, and only send 5+ point envenom when ur envenom buff is about to expire?

[balmy condor]

1. no clue don't care doesn't matter
2. yes, you spam during shiv
3. sure yeah

[subtle tundra]

anything above 1 stack is ok

[sharp trellis]

Hi all , may be too much but i wish to have a macro that give me Focus to one target , then allow me to kick the target focus / Kidney Shot . if it can have Mod shift could be even better

[umbral sierra]

So we don’t just spam envenom till 0 energy in st good to know

[raven panther]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9vVwEWrboY

[thorny spire]

hi guys, i din t play rogue for like a week, how come we play with 2 vanish charges in M+? what happened?

[umbral sierra]

Enable mouse over casting, mouse over kick

[umbral sierra]

Subterfuge makes master assa last 12 seconds and not 3

[sharp trellis]

I have mouse over kick and all . but my plater or my aim is bad

[subtle tundra]

i just lock the fuck in and snap swap target

[raven panther]

well it depends, under cooldown you do, above 50% energy you do, under you can try to get envonem uptime

[umbral sierra]

Why 50% energy

If we don’t take sanguine

[raven panther]

well then no

[thorny spire]

god damn, then i need to get used to subterfuge

[umbral sierra]

Also gives ur carnage and imp gar and iron wire procs go from being avail for 6 seconds to 12

I just realized I don’t have to open with ambush anymore BLESS

[thorny spire]

why

you still play deathstalker no/

?

[umbral sierra]

Yeah but I can open with gar ambush and not ambush gar

[balmy condor]

huh

what's the difference

[thorny spire]

what is the dif?

[normal mist]

Faster silence probably

[umbral sierra]

In pvp u take the talent that makes ambush do more vs garroted enemies so for me it’s just muscle memory and another thing I’m tripping up on here and there in keys

[tawdry halo]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[thorny spire]

oh so is a pvp thing

[umbral sierra]

Also this

[balmy condor]

💀 aint no way that's actually something that gets played around in pvp

that talent sucks so bad man

[umbral sierra]

U take it for pathing

[subtle tundra]

yea but you dont play around it

do you

fuck pvp man

[umbral sierra]

Outside of opener not really it’s nice though

[normal mist]

I sometimes garrote ambush too help casters gather easier in m+ but that's it

[umbral sierra]

Bc u mut a lot in pvp

[normal mist]

Wait you do?

[hallow sonnet]

There's also some comfort in flexibility where you're not forced to open on your funnel target. F.ex let's say the pull after 2nd boss in GB where you pull in all the warlocks but you want to main focus on the Flamebender which is usually further up in its patrol there

[normal mist]

I may be out of the loop but you'd still be spamming FoK

[oak tangle]

when did this change? i swear my ambush was not applying DSM if not first cast

[normal mist]

Subterfuge

[royal lantern]

yeha, would also mutilate myself if i played pvp

[umbral sierra]

Opener would be cheap>gar>bush> rup> cheap>gar death mark shiv kb

[subtle tundra]

CoT first pull i can silence the casters and still get mark on the big guy

feels nice

[umbral sierra]

In st yeah

[hallow sonnet]

Yeah exactly

[thin dock]

anybady else has a problem with self highlight settings not working?

[umbral sierra]

This

[limber coral]

question about stat prio's, is haste more sought after for raid instead of M+? What stats would be needed for M+? because I am having a hard time going after what works for M+ and raid.

[balmy condor]

haste sucks in aoe cause you're giga energy capped

and that's about it

[umbral sierra]

Crit mastery is m+ iiirc

[balmy condor]

sim 1 target patchwerk for single target, sim dungeonslice for dungeons

gg

[umbral sierra]

I always hear dungeon slice get memed on

Did it get fixed?

[hallow sonnet]

Can also experiment with doing Dungeon Slice without Time Warp

Rogue has always had very good support for dungeon slice

[balmy condor]

can't fix something that isn't broken idk

what was wrong with it

[umbral sierra]

Maybe it was bc I was a tank and simming dps

[tough canyon]

Rogue dslice didnt need to be fixed since like 4 years

[umbral sierra]

Idk

[balmy condor]

okay well

tank sims

is kinda strange

[hallow sonnet]

Classes like mages dislike making dynamic apls for that

[balmy condor]

but rogues have used dungeonslice since legion

[umbral sierra]

Dh leech tank. More dam = more healing

[balmy condor]

I.... am not going to get into that

[limber coral]

is there a general guide line as too what my stat prios should be looking like for M+ example-29% Crit and 58% Mastery?

[balmy condor]

no

that's not how the game works

[umbral sierra]

It was mostly for the memes

[royal lantern]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[blazing pumice]

crit mastery for m+

[limber coral]

How do I sim myself through top gear if I dont know which items I would like to go with? Every "BiS" list is different.

[balmy condor]

droptimizer

just does that

[umbral sierra]

Top gear is for the gear you have on you or in ur bags

[balmy condor]

bis lists are also super cringe generally

[umbral sierra]

Can also sim ur vault

[balmy condor]

pointless slop for SEO

we love the SEO overlords

[umbral sierra]

Seo? Wut that

[balmy condor]

search engine optimization

[umbral sierra]

Ah

[hallow sonnet]

You can add items to toplist, both through the import but also through the drop down menu to add one by one

[balmy condor]

bis lists exist because webpages that don't have bis lists

don't show up on google as high

[umbral sierra]

Bis lists were the classic Andy’s favorite thing though

[balmy condor]

cause there's idiots out there pounding "assa bis best item plz help super bis pog dps????????" into google

and if your webpage can't answer that

you get bumped down

[limber coral]

general things to add to droptimizer to make things more accurate? Or is it good as is?

[balmy condor]

cause less helpful page = worse page in the mighty eyes of google

[umbral sierra]

That’s how I found this discord

[solar wyvern]

"Okay Google, what BiS items make me play better"

[subtle tundra]

uh

branch

from last tier

[bright timber]

What to do when rclc and its bis or upgrafe

[subtle tundra]

you had to play well with it

[balmy condor]

people don't really realize how much of a guide is made for google, not for humans

[subtle tundra]

spymaster makes you play better
you have to try hard to not die

[umbral sierra]

“How to get as good as casual so I can drop iron wire?”

[solar wyvern]

Didnt play branch sin, just sub in season 3

Playing DH for a bit made me play way better lol

[umbral sierra]

What’s spymaster do

What was branch sin?

[subtle tundra]

you get a stacking buff while in combat and if you die you lose them
extremely big dps loss if you die

like huge dps loss

[royal lantern]

slowly stacks up, when fully stacked you use it and do more dmg then the entire group combined

die = stacks gone

[umbral sierra]

Oof I see

[solar wyvern]

There was a trinket in season 3 of DF which put 3 orbs around that stacked and gave you a mastery buff, you could do some extension shenanigans and collecting them was a pain sometimes

Everblooming Branch iirc is the name

[umbral sierra]

Oh yeah

I remember a buddy was pissed bc it was “bis” trinket and took him 50+ runs for it

[royal lantern]

HEY WAIT A SECOND....

[subtle tundra]

i... just got it.... mythic.... first week....

just like grimba this tier...

please hate me

[umbral sierra]

He was very mad when I told him I got it on my dh tank and then scraped it

[uneven ibex]

Dropping db/sbs for ttk and sanguine in high keys feels so good no one can tell me otherwise

[umbral sierra]

Db?

Ttk?

[warm vortex]

Doomblade

If I had to guess

Because it’s what leads up to SBS
so it’s easy to get rid of with SBS

[umbral sierra]

What’s ttk

[tropic falcon]

twist the knife

but what is sbs? 😄

[worldly sail]

they should rename twist the knife to time to kill, because thats what ttk usually stands for in games

[visual vault]

serrated bone spike

[umbral sierra]

Serrated bone spike

Or we could

[tropic falcon]

ah ye

[umbral sierra]

Drop iron wire for sanguine blades (memeing)

[real granite]

best one is dropping sbs, hbo and sd for axn ttk and bbva

dark tech

[exotic trench]

Hi guys ! have you got a tips to don't lost your mark when you've finished to apply rupture on a pack /

?

[drifting basin]

i have a decision i struggle with when playing keys

since you can't always make sure you send kb on cooldown on the dot, it de-syncs kb from deathmark. What is correct; holding KB for mark or holding mark for KB?

[subtle tundra]

depends on situation there isnt a correct answer

[drifting basin]

lets say its 30 sec left on mark when kb goes off cd

[subtle tundra]

if its a pack i send kb

[drifting basin]

what is max dps is what im asking assuming the pack lives for an infinite amount of time

[subtle tundra]

most of the time

well idk

im a based on feels kind of guy

[drifting basin]

yeah so am i

and i usually send kb, but would like to know what is "correct"

[subtle tundra]

you delay kb and hold to resync in your hypothethical

but thats an unrealistic situation

if packs gonna live enough to get full DM + kb value you hold

but if pack is gonna die, you send kb

[drifting basin]

are u certain? just sending 1 more kb will make you hold DM for 30 sec, instead of holding KB for 30 sec

[sage egret]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[subtle tundra]

idk man

m+ is too dynamic to have an answer

is the ele gonna fucking bust his cds

are the other 2 dps afk

is the next pack bigger and better

do i have an erection midpull

who fucking knows

[drifting basin]

that's why im just asking assuming the pack is infinite and never dies

[subtle tundra]

i make decisions on the fly

[drifting basin]

i just want to know objectively what is higher dps, holding kb or holding mark

assuming same size pack and whatever

[subtle tundra]

idk ive sent mark without kb before

to put it on cd

[charred helm]

KB is better for aoe than mark, id hold mark if i had to choose

[subtle tundra]

not really true

[real granite]

idk about that

[subtle tundra]

cause you use skardyns with mark

so mark is really big aoe

[charred helm]

Ive used Skardyns without mark too 😂

[subtle tundra]

now thats troll

[real granite]

also lingering shadows

[subtle tundra]

^

[charred helm]

yeah not a good idea tho

lingering shadows is after DM not during

assuming the pack lives long enough

[subtle tundra]

he did say infinite duration

[charred helm]

go on the dummies in Dornogal

they live infinite

test both situations

[real granite]

whats the difference? O.o

assuming the pack does not long much more than 14s, you shouldnt take that much to the next pull anyways

[sharp trellis]

While on kingblade and subterfuge on with MA , do you keep doing garrot for 3p combo or mutilate ?

[subtle tundra]

aoe or st?

st i guess

you only use garrote in pandemic

[sage egret]

Hey, any data / Link with wich item to embellish?

[subtle tundra]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[subtle tundra]

whichever item is lowest ilvl

and can get the embellishment

[sage egret]

Alright thanks!

[tawdry halo]

hello - dumb question

can I cloak the queensbane orbs on princess in nerubar?

to negate the mechanic?

[balmy condor]

Yes just cloak the charge

[subtle tundra]

before you get hit

[lavish whale]

i had to take this in vault, should i just eat shit and die or?

[drifting basin]

yea

[lavish whale]

https://tenor.com/view/的9-gif-27299608

[balmy condor]

You took that over a socket?

[tawdry halo]

huge

[balmy condor]

Why tho

[lavish whale]

it was 2 tokens, only did 1 10 and had to leave. lmao

[balmy condor]

Yeesh

Rough

[lavish whale]

shoulda just took 2 huh? cuss me out whispyr

ik what to do, REROLL

[balmy condor]

I mean I would’ve taken the 2 I guess but

That’s just

A series of unfortunate events

[subtle tundra]

is ovinax trinket bad to play with in m+?

maybe i can get it

[balmy condor]

It’s pretty cringe to play around but idk not the worst thing ever

Forcing a stand still is kinda horrid though

[subtle tundra]

well there is no way to get a good mythic trinket

so uh

[balmy condor]

Just get mandate transmitter pog

[lavish whale]

naw bro just get the Harversters like me. 😢

[subtle tundra]

i have skardyn mythicc but idk about mandate in m+

also dont have mandate

so

and prob wont get it

[balmy condor]

Unlucky

[flint star]

Why can't MA just work like IC? This is so cringe

[subtle tundra]

cause its bugged

its not intentional

[flint star]

Just another rogue bug

[bright timber]

+20 ilvls, -1.4% sim. insane trinket

[sage egret]

In the crafted daggers there a 2 sorts

[cinder sparrow]

what do you mean

[sage egret]

one with a passive effect and one with none

wich one should I craft? 😮

[flint star]

I mean it does not refresh on stealth like IC

And you have to wait before you get the buff

[subtle tundra]

you also cant fucking click the buff off

fucking blizz

fuck fuckers

maybe it works with cancel aura macro?

[sage egret]

Wich one do I craft ? :X

[subtle tundra]

the stabber

[sage egret]

Ok ty

[tough canyon]

the passive is an embellishment and its kinda bad 😅

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[marble tusk]

Could someone take a look at my logs?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HwKF987dTAZV2XRP

My friend is inviting me to try mythic for the first bosses with him

[subtle tundra]

i looked at your opener and got cancer

thanks

incurable

[real granite]

brozer

[subtle tundra]

what the fuck is this

what the fuck

[real granite]

you need jesus, thats what you need

[subtle tundra]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[subtle tundra]

check the wowhead opener

did you fucking press slice and dice?

[tough canyon]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

[lavish whale]

this is all tough love, do not get butt hurt, take the tough love, read the guides. youll thank the discord later, i promise

[subtle tundra]

slice and dice is not a button that should be on your bars

😭

[real granite]

read the opening, do it in dummy, get the muscle memory and then we can help through other minor issues

[subtle tundra]

took you a solid 8 seconds to put your first bleed up

then you garrote and then vanish

oh mah gad

[sage egret]

!enchant

[novel star]

bully discord

[subtle tundra]

SIX CASTS OF POISONED KNIFE

GOD STRIKE ME DOWN

[novel star]

holy based

uptime

[subtle tundra]

TAKE THAT OFF YOUR BARS MAN

[novel star]

outlaw role

but for real yea idk just have to go guide

[subtle tundra]

6 casts of poisoned knife for 92k dmg

[lavish whale]

240 energy bye bye

[subtle tundra]

take poisoned knife and slice and dice off your bars

NOW

go in game

and do it

[novel star]

have 2 look at the envenom cast it earned u noob

[subtle tundra]

😕

[novel star]

anyways

[marble tusk]

I just throw daggers when I'm out of range on the boss

[novel star]

varas is bullying you (based a bit) but it is simply a read wowhead and learn the spec angle at a certain point

[subtle tundra]

you dont

its worst button

[novel star]

this is bad because it costs energy

[subtle tundra]

EVER

[real granite]

you were low energy when you did it

never throw knife except your capping energy

[lavish whale]

if youre out of range, Shadowstep man.

[real granite]

and not meleeing

[novel star]

you do 0 damage and build 1/2 cp vs mutilate which does way more and builds 2/3/4 for basically same energy

[real granite]

this raid almost does not have situations for throw knife

[novel star]

unless ur legit 300/300 energy u don’t press knife

sadly

sin has no ranged button

knife is a lie

[marble tusk]

Understood

[novel star]

a liberal conspiracy

[real granite]

extremly circunstancial for almost no benefit but hey

[warm lantern]

racechange to vulpera and use bag instead ez

[novel star]

but yea the opener and understanding of cds in general seems way off

gotta study up

a bit

dummy angle

[subtle tundra]

youre a dummy.

[novel star]

🫃

[subtle tundra]

i need to be a mod so i can abuse my power

life is unfair.

[marble tusk]

I don't play assassination rogue much, and memorizing the opener makes me glance at the guide instead of the boss

[real granite]

thats what muscle memory is for

your brain does it automaticaly for you so you can care about other things

go dummy, spam rotation for few hours untill you do it perfect and your fingers bleed

the only thing i see that the guide will not fix is that you feint a lot (which is really good in progress) but dont exploit cloak and evasion (not good)

[normal mist]

Isn't that the way with every spec

[real granite]

you see, there is a talent in hero tree, that makes your evasion a 20% magic dr

[marble tusk]

About slice and dice, I honestly thought envenom only refreshed its duration rather than providing a full buff

[real granite]

that got changed last patch

[marble tusk]

11.0.5 ?

[real granite]

it does not provide a full buff anyways, but a... 21s buff? or something, depending on cp

ye

[subtle tundra]

well yea but at the same time you dont need to

you dont memorize the opener

you have to get your bleeds up

get an envenom before dm

you use a garrote

get CP(use mutilate) to get rupture

then you need to get more CP(use mutilate) to get envenom

then you go into Deathmark

next should be kb, and kb is preceded by a shiv

[real granite]

you better start off from a memorized opener, and do flexible opener based on class understandings later on, with more experience xD

[subtle tundra]

idk thats not how i play the game

[real granite]

you have experience on the class, thats why you're being biased imo

its easy for you to think about it that way

[subtle tundra]

its the same for windwalker monk, i didnt look at any guide and almost got the opener 100% correct

cause i just thought about it

[real granite]

for a newby it probably isnt, and need the experience first

[subtle tundra]

he is doing hc and maybe going into mythic

[fickle jasper]

can someone explain to me why even tho i hit 4 targets w fan i only get 3 cp sometimes?

[real granite]

fok cp generation is based on crits

[subtle tundra]

bad luck !

[real granite]

seal fate

[subtle tundra]

you can get 1 cp sometimes

haha

[fickle jasper]

ah okay

[subtle tundra]

yea....

its not as bad nowadays

it used to be agony

[fickle jasper]

i did 15 runs gb tonight until now and not a single trinket seen

[novel star]

15 is not that many

[fickle jasper]

tonight

i said "tonight"

not total

[novel star]

yeah

lock in.

make it 16

[real granite]

hold your cojones and keep going

[fickle jasper]

i go sleep now got raid at 8pm

[novel star]

gg

[real granite]

gb spam is kinda journey

[novel star]

idr how many i did

50ish i think

[fickle jasper]

and then blizzard wonders why their game is dead

[novel star]

well the game isn’t dead

[fickle jasper]

its not very populated either

[novel star]

and also the people who give a fuck to farm a dungeon 50 times for one item aren’t ppl who would be quitting

[novel star]

this is incorrect

[midnight mist]

why you got guy old pfp

are you a copycat !

[fickle jasper]

who?

[midnight mist]

same ngl

[fickle jasper]

i took it from my boy blunder

who is playing real games for men and not wow mmorpg bodytype 1 and 2 type beat

[midnight mist]

[novel star]

what’s wrong with body 1 and body 2

[fickle jasper]

nothing im totally woke

i love gay people and trans people yeehaw rise up they thems

[novel star]

you’re a strange feller man

[midnight mist]

I think this guy might be a weirdo

[fickle jasper]

im trying to enable lgbtqia+ community and u call me weird

[grizzled geyser]

[novel star]

U type like a 12yo that missed their meds im afraid

[midnight mist]

you are acting like someone trying to do the opposite

maybe its just unlucky tho

[royal lantern]

huh

[midnight mist]

chat misinterpretation and all

[regal linden]

facing m7 next week, kind of nervous for now.
still idk how to do such two-target fight

[fickle jasper]

i think oli is against lgbtq but i dont mind

[subtle tundra]

wtf is m7

[karmic crystal]

2nd last boss

[fickle jasper]

i think he means silken

[karmic crystal]

7/8 i guess

[novel star]

sure man

[regal linden]

silken court.

[fickle jasper]

@novel star how old is u

[subtle tundra]

yea what kind of lingo is that

😭

[karmic crystal]

no cap fr m7

[novel star]

it’s on my discord.com profile

[fickle jasper]

21 u crazy how was school

did u have many friends?

[subtle tundra]

this your profile

no need to shame others

[novel star]

i had friends when i was in school but i dropped out and lost them

now my friends are all online

[fickle jasper]

and u have streamer role w not even 400 followers

[subtle tundra]

true

[karmic crystal]

i bet u were super popular that's why you're craving attention on a public discord server by picking fights about "woke" stuff

[fickle jasper]

really successfull

[subtle tundra]

damn

and i also stream all the time

[novel star]

But did varas just taunt or ?

i lost aggro on this guy insta

[subtle tundra]

sorry

[novel star]

HAHAHAH

[subtle tundra]

dm+kb

[midnight mist]

dam i knew i was good at detecting weirdos

i got it in like 1 message

[fickle jasper]

im just vibing wow community really became zesty asf over the years

[novel star]

what’s wrong with that

[fickle jasper]

nothing

u can be yourself here be happy

[novel star]

i am happy

[marble tusk]

alright, I'll work on my rotation and opener
I'll probably kill the queen in HC today, and of course, I'll share the logs so you can cringe once more

[next dust]

@midnight mist remember that guy on your stream

[novel star]

you seem to be a little unhappy though

[next dust]

[subtle tundra]

ofc you do, full of weirdos in #outlaw

[midnight mist]

real

[novel star]

but i am quite happy i’m in bed and comfortable with my blanky

[midnight mist]

lots of angry guys that day

[subtle tundra]

need assa coaching?

[next dust]

it's funny when they reveal themselves xdd

[midnight mist]

maybe

[subtle tundra]

jk i wouldnt help a french "person"(demon in disguise)

[midnight mist]

true

i am demonic

[novel star]

No that’s the havoc talent

[midnight mist]

helo guys ambush or garrrrrottte first

[subtle tundra]

why are you on draenor man

stealing my r1 realm

💢

[midnight mist]

i havent played in like 2 weeks now

[novel star]

depends if you have darkest night or not zacro !

[midnight mist]

go get it king

[subtle tundra]

i just started playing with guild

this week

they had not done a key higher than 10

and were timing 15s

[royal lantern]

based

[midnight mist]

big

keys got demolished

[subtle tundra]

if you look at their rio you see siege +10 into siege +15 time

[midnight mist]

last 2 weeks

cause of enhance/elem

and the 90s thing

[subtle tundra]

yea elemental is kinda bussing my overalls

[midnight mist]

ye

[subtle tundra]

he is otp aswell...

[midnight mist]

imagine before that we were tmiing keys without htat abomination of a class

[subtle tundra]

loser L

[midnight mist]

kinda crazy

no caps keys went up like 2 levels

[soft shale]

enha is also very fun at least

[midnight mist]

just from shaman existing

[soft shale]

yea the 10% nerf is quadratic too

[midnight mist]

wild

[soft shale]

from xal buff

[worn wing]

@dense plume

[midnight mist]

but it is ow it is

[royal lantern]

hey, just like with aug during df

[midnight mist]

@dense plume

[midnight mist]

yep

[soft shale]

so instead of like 810% extra you are getting 600% or smth

[subtle tundra]

unfortunately frost dk is better than assa

[soft shale]

silence goated tho

[subtle tundra]

cause they can actually ST and survive np

[midnight mist]

Now they can't nerf shaman

[soft shale]

ah yea dks are surv kings

[novel star]

just take ttk

[midnight mist]

They would need to nerf keys

[novel star]

fixes boss dam solobolo

[subtle tundra]

nah let me and my homie have our fun

[midnight mist]

Most fdk do kinda average overall damage tho now

Should be easy to out damage them

[subtle tundra]

2 OTPs finally have good tuning and we can buss out some fun keys

[midnight mist]

Ok mister otp assa

Will try keeping the r1 draenor as outlaw

[subtle tundra]

yep im just cool like that

[midnight mist]

Just to annoy you

Don't go too fast

[subtle tundra]

well yea gl

stay hitting your target cap

[midnight mist]

🤝

Wtf

[subtle tundra]

🙄

[midnight mist]

does it count if i do nw as sin

[subtle tundra]

yea i allow it

[soft shale]

who is the sub on draenor now that im not there (jk)

[subtle tundra]

just dont swap sub for last bosses

[midnight mist]

brudha

what if i also swap sub on mist first boss

[subtle tundra]

?!?!

i cant man cause im OTP not legally allowed

[soft shale]

how do you do last boss as assa

[midnight mist]

ok but

[soft shale]

have lots of healer dmg?

[subtle tundra]

i kinda just sob, cry a lot, and complain

[midnight mist]

its litteraly impossible to otp outlaw varas

we cant kill these bosses as outlaw

i would need like 2 enhance

bursting tree

[subtle tundra]

get enha and ele

[novel star]

Bro u have a gun

and a grappling hook

[subtle tundra]

gun beat tree

[novel star]

has to be op

how can you lose with a gun

[subtle tundra]

i have yet to try out the funky cleave build

for fun gaming

[final star]

I want on use only thistle tea back

[subtle tundra]

same...

[midnight mist]

ye right

the auto tea is so bad

[final star]

it's ass

[midnight mist]

i keep thinking it will trigger when i try to press a spell and dont have the nergy

[final star]

literal dog shit

[midnight mist]

but no

it just trigger randomly

[novel star]

well

[midnight mist]

when you dont really neeeds it

[final star]

[novel star]

idk

[final star]

removing agency in this case was a bad thing

[novel star]

i kinda alrdy forgot auto tea exists

legit just vibing

fake change

[final star]

I definitely have not

[novel star]

[subtle tundra]

im just chilling and suddenly

oopa energy

outside of shiv

outside of anything important

[novel star]

just slam an envenom for fun with the mastery

[midnight mist]

me when tea trigger on the last gcd of a pack

[novel star]

[subtle tundra]

be careful we might summon seli, the auto tea defender

he will call you bad

[viral knoll]

hey guys, just wanted to ask what embels i should craft M+ focus. I am bit conflicted between stacking two dawnthreads or ascension and writhing ?

[iron carbon]

Spam addict

[midnight mist]

i prolly am

but also

am i

[novel star]

i’m an auto tea defender but mostly because i just don’t gaf since it doesn’t hurt damage

[midnight mist]

if i am at the end of a pack

shoulndt i just spend all my energy

cause i will get it back

[subtle tundra]

i crafted this for fun

its not good

[novel star]

ew man

[subtle tundra]

💀

[final star]

good 2nd ring tho

[novel star]

focusing lens guy

[subtle tundra]

yea i was gonna craft ring regardless

[iron carbon]

Spend a bit less

[final star]

all embellish suck ass

wish they scaled with ilvl

[novel star]

focusing lens sucks the most ass tho

[final star]

so they don't suck ass

[midnight mist]

sounds like a damage loss

[iron carbon]

Less Loss than wasting tea

[novel star]

this tea discussion making me so comfy and sleepy

most boring topic known to man

peak bedtime story

[cerulean peak]

Tea should only be auto for Sin

[iron carbon]

Auto tea should be a node talent

[compact stirrup]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[sage egret]

Quick question on sockets, what item can have one and how do you unlock them ? 😮

[fallen arch]

You buy them

They’re called jewelers settings

And they go into rings and neck

The other ones you buy with the bad luck tokens from vault and go into helm belt and bracer iirc

[full tide]

give me manual bone spike

[hybrid sky]

does anyone know if there's a way i can track supercharged combopoints? it doesn't give a buff as far as i can see

[blazing pumice]

you don't

and it doesn't

[hybrid sky]

i thought sometimes it could be useful for proccing darkest night

[fallen arch]

Nah just slam

[hybrid sky]

ok

[iron carbon]

Wasn't a big fan of it tbh

[fallen arch]

Manual bonespike with deathspike was unreal

So much fun

[merry bison]

crafting ring aint bad

[iron carbon]

I find ER 10 times funnier

[fallen arch]

ER doesn’t exist anymore

[iron carbon]

As manual bonespike

[sage egret]

ty

[gleaming cove]

Hey folks, had a few questions if anyone is able to help me out. Only picked up Rogue a few weeks ago moving from DH (where you basically have 0 spec tree choices so Rogue has been wild) but very much enjoying it.

1. Is my understanding correct that subterfuge is a dps loss in M+ and it's value is really in extending iron wire?
2. I seem to see a split between taking lethality or forced induction for raid builds, I imagine those two choices are very very close in strength?
3. If I'm in CD burst window with darkest night up and I land on like 6 combo points, am I casting another mutilate to get 7 combo points to refresh deathstalkers mark?

[lone lantern]

1 is it? idk, just sim it guess

2 sim it but i think letalithy is kinda bad rn

[subtle tundra]

Subterfuge value is not just iron wire

[lone lantern]

3 yeah get another combo point by any means, refreshing your garrote for example or fok also work

[vernal snow]

Damn, I was afk for a bit and exactly in that time span some weirdo wants to establish LGTBQ+ stuff in an WoW assassination rogue Discord Channel. Now I've seen it all

[fallen arch]

?

[vernal snow]

Scroll up and u'll see what I mean 😂

[fallen arch]

How far tho

[vernal snow]

Not too far. Wait

[vernal snow]

This

[lone lantern]

3 also if you have supercharger active you can finish at 5 and it will use darkest night and apply dsm

[fallen arch]

Oh ye thats cringe

Not as cringe as the body type 1 and 2 stuff

That’s just the dumbest shit ever if u ask me

But to each their own I guess

[vernal snow]

U need to check out the whole convo tho. This guy is mental 😂

[fallen arch]

Oh ye I will now

[arctic socket]

Mental illness is rough

[vernal snow]

Depends on the illness imo. If u try as an absolute minority to enforce some sick & pedophile agenda on the majority of "normal" ppl I have no pity at all

[arctic socket]

Assassination chat is popping this morning

[grizzled geyser]

wtf is this conversation man, this a class discord

[vernal snow]

Ye. Lets talk about shrooms

@balmy condor surely loves talking about those shrooms 😂

He's already quietly farming Sporeggar Rep 😂

[arctic socket]

He probably needs something stronger dealing with this discord n the conversations that happen + answering 100s of the same questions

[fallen arch]

Ye cringe

[rose socket]

I didn't know rogue discord was this mental tbh

[fallen arch]

Rogue discord is mental because one guy is taunting everybody?

I feel this shit happens in every discord every once in a while

Keyboard warriors of old

[hollow river]

[distant plinth]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[rotund oak]

doing 0-6s on my hpally im so sad

[gleaming cove]

Got it ty. I assume that would also count at 6 cp, or do you need to hit 7 exactly?

[hollow river]

whaaat why aren't you 6-0'ing noobs

[gleaming cove]

Whats the additional value with it please?

[rotund oak]

i suck idk,it doesnt work for me atm

and my mmr is like 1.9

literally on a ditch

[arctic socket]

The ability to continue spreading garrote / rupture to 3 targets at once is pretty sick

Also extends your MA window

That’s pretty sick

[gleaming cove]

Ohh so it extends IC as well?

[lone lantern]

yup works at 6 as well

[gleaming cove]

ty!

[fallen arch]

U can dish out bleeds for days my guy

[lone lantern]

yeah it extends all effects that needd stealth

[gleaming cove]

Gotcha that makes sense

On huge packs thats pretty damn juicy

[hollow river]

damn

[shrewd night]

[hollow river]

maybe you just need more practice at it

[gleaming cove]

Racking my brain....whats MA sorry?

[hollow river]

idk your hpal exp or how much the spec has changed

[hollow river]

master assassin talent