assassination

[maiden sierra]

i dunno, raid lead is cooking

[warm vortex]

Bro send him out of the kitchen

[late whale]

shadow binding ritual knife 6/6 hero sims better than my sacbrood 6/6 hero.. should i actually keep using it in raids? feels weird that a delve trinket is like this

[nimble vector]

bosses won't be on top of each other in most of p3, but you also won't be hitting the boss most of p3 anyway

[maiden sierra]

gotta look at logs to see what the rogues are using

[warm vortex]

Yes

if smth sims higher use it

[quiet oar]

and in p3 there are no adds

[nimble vector]

I wouldn't personally take CT but I could see how you could get some use out of it

[late whale]

so an actualy a tier trinket is better than s tier as long as it sims higher even tho being same ilvl?

[nimble vector]

what's better just depends on your gear

[quiet oar]

If you ahve low add dmg

it might be a good diea

[maiden sierra]

yeah, so mythic council is full st with caustic as our only cleave option

according to logs

[late whale]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x2TVeg1QrBjU1itxv4k8WN

[royal lantern]

day 1 nexus princess prog and we had a 36% pull

feels good, ngl

[coral ibex]

stop thinking about a tier s tier deez nuts tier

sim your gear

[nimble vector]

then yes use knife

[west crown]

“Bis” and “s tier” assume max ilvl and specific bis conditions. Always sim

[warm vortex]

Dragon rogue is based tho

Tempted to race change of goblin to that (or worgen)

[late whale]

okay okay then i just keep using the knife, guess brood is only better when i would get a myth track

[west crown]

Changing off Goblin is a W in itself

[warm vortex]

You are wrong but sure

Also random question
for sikran

is it a good idea to use my CDs after the first charge because when i use them like normal he jumps away for my 2nd shiv in KB

[twin spoke]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

If you know that it doesn’t lose you a cast sure

[quiet oar]

Well msot logs are guilds with add dmg

[west crown]

Well you aren’t doing your rotation fast enough maybe. But saving for charge isn’t bad

[warm vortex]

Tried it and it worked better
no i just do
ambush , garrote, rup, mutil, FoK ten do DM, Shiv and KB

[nimble vector]

you can definitely fit it in before and step back to boss as soon as his charge is over

[warm vortex]

It was moreso

me getting in melee range

for full KB

i typed it wrong

i could get my second shiv in but could not stick on the boss for the entire duration

[subtle tundra]

my first 16 man...

[feral merlin]

hey guys, just coming back after a week, is there any good item in the new BRD heroic dungeon?

[twin bay]

i dont think a faster opener is realistic

[valid leaf]

Unlucky

[subtle tundra]

not unlucky

7 deaths LOL

[warm vortex]

Ah ok so it is after 1st

[warm vortex]

What was the group dps like? :O

[twin bay]

shadowstep after the boss xdd

[subtle tundra]

bad

[warm vortex]

Oh

so i do it like normal

just shadowstep the second the charge is done

[twin bay]

first charge team can just be closer

so uptime loss isnt as severe

[west crown]

All I’m saying is I get my full combos off without a problem. Seems like a movement and uptime issue

[warm vortex]

I can do it

just not be in melee 100% of the time

for my KB

[twin bay]

you get the opener out yes but the last ticks are inside the charge

[warm vortex]

i can use all the abilities just not be in melee 100%

[west crown]

That’s what I’m saying, how

[warm vortex]

Because the boss charges away?

[twin bay]

better positioning of the enitre raid most likely

[warm vortex]

and even if i Shadowstep once the charges are done im still out of melee range for some small points

[twin bay]

i see people in pugs go to narnia with the charges

[pseudo osprey]

can splatter only be on one enemy ?

[twin bay]

yes

[pseudo osprey]

ah

[twin bay]

you choose a target before the pull and never switch

apply bleeds via mousover

[west crown]

I mean you could KB the skinny one instead

[warm vortex]

imagine if it didn't

[twin bay]

no

x)

[pseudo osprey]

î honestly love assa in M+

even tho i never get invited

[twin bay]

its a great time for assa m+

[safe vector]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[warm vortex]

Tbh i find it fun too

[ebon geyser]

do we want haste in ST ? sims are telling me to gem and enchant haste mastery

[warm vortex]

sim yourself

[twin bay]

the robot is always right

[ebon geyser]

lol what a fine answer

[real onyx]

ty

[warm vortex]

I meann

it IS the right answer

if you want more haste, it depends on what your gear is looking like and what items you already have

there is no definitive answer

[echo cargo]

it is the right answer

[royal lantern]

that probs means you have somewhat lower haste and getting more is the best gain atm

simming tells you the best gain

[warm vortex]

Yea
Like i have 1% haste in my m+ set, so haste would sim diff if i were to have like 20% already or summin

[safe vector]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[royal lantern]

9% pull

[west crown]

On?

[royal lantern]

kyveza

[fading mason]

on silkencount what boss do we keep deathmark on ?>

in p3

[regal whale]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[subtle tundra]

i just looked at rio... so sad

assa's reign is over

[marble hemlock]

must be all those tea autoprocs

[subtle tundra]

no matter what i fucking do i cant beat ele overall

im just bad man

[soft shale]

ele and enha are crazy

[subtle tundra]

the power of getting reworked mid expac

[fleet crest]

hey babes, im crafting bracers and belt on my alt rogue.. should i do crit haste in both of them?

[warm vortex]

Sim it

Babe

[fleet crest]

I dont care that much, so i figured I'd just ask.

bb qt

[normal mist]

crit mastery

and call it a day

[molten flicker]

probably crit mastery

[fleet crest]

thanks friends

WIsh Vendeten loved me like you guys do

[tiny leaf]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[waxen harbor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dHN9ncATFX8Mr1qz#fight=last&type=summary&source=2&start=2757018&end=3058292
Hi. Can somebody log review this? Thanks.

[grim jay]

Vex

[gloomy hinge]

in m+ do we just use deathmark on cd?

And if i play double vanish how do i want to use that?

[molten flicker]

when you want big number press vanish

[gloomy hinge]

i mean if i already stealthed going into the next pack do i just vanish after 12 sec to reapply my crit buffs and such?

[molten flicker]

yes

[gloomy hinge]

or do i wait until darkest night

ah

alright

Also how many targets to fan of knives?

is it 3 and above or how is that

[frank axle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[west crown]

2 if running death stalker

[gloomy hinge]

oh alright, i think i've been missplaying a bit then 🤣

[chilly warren]

I feel like I have seen some streamers have something that automatically uses tricks of the trade on the nearest tank? is this a wa/macro?

[spice surge]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[primal quest]

hello, whats the optimal spellqueuewindow to set ?

[sullen steppe]

do we shiv before kingsbane and at 8s left with double shiv in raid? (when you don't have DM)

[molten flicker]

yes

[balmy condor]

That’s not a thing

[primal quest]

just noticed it was 143 on my windtools plugin for elvui so i wanted to ask

[balmy condor]

That’s a very strange number but probably fine

Default is 400

It’s just lag tolerance basically

[drifting cloud]

mines been on 150 for years now

wasnt a fan of 400 but going too low has its own problems

[primal quest]

yeah, wanted to set it optimally for my 43ping, they say 200+ping is optimal but i also heard they removed spellqueue window in Dragonflight

[pliant remnant]

Whispyr is just hogging the secret spellqueuewindow tech

to sandbag Assa

[unkempt scaffold]

Do we sim aoe 5 targets without bloodlust and 1 min?

[molten flicker]

if we want to

[primal quest]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-frodo-alright-then-keep-your-secrets-smiling-gif-26462584

[balmy condor]

Yeah so again, it’s lag tolerance, there is no “optimal” setting

[balmy condor]

Depends what you want to sim I guess, if you wanted to sim 5 target without bloodlust and 1 min, you would do that

[unkempt scaffold]

Specifically i want to sim for M+ with this but i dont know if its the right way heard dungeon slice is ass

[balmy condor]

Dungeonslice is ass

[molten flicker]

try dungeonslice

[balmy condor]

But 5 target 1 min

Is UBER ass

like I'm not gonna tell you dungeonslice is the greatest thing ever

it's not

thing is pretty rancid

but dungeonslice is the best we got

[digital wind]

They’re a way to don’t be parried with kb on princess nexus or just unlucky ?

[unkempt scaffold]

Good to know 😄

[balmy condor]

think of dungeonslice as the milk in your fridge that tastes a little off. It's uncomfortable and you don't really wanna drink it, but you need the milk for your baking

so you just deal with it

simming random ass fucking AoE is leaving out the milk in the sun and then fishing the chunks out

[frozen jasper]

can someone help with a WA that highlights cursor? i have it to only show while in combat but when i click and hold my mousebutton i want it to hide the circle as well, anybody know if thats possible?

[unkempt scaffold]

So better to look for st?

[molten flicker]

if u want to sim for st

[balmy condor]

sims are a tool

they give you data

if you want single target data, sim single target

if you want aoe data, sim aoe

if you want just like generalized dungeon data

sim dungeonslice

[unkempt scaffold]

I think i got it thank you

[crimson zephyr]

fuck my life, I just suck so hard. GB +7 double timed. 625ilvl total: 1.14m I should be like 20% 25% better no?

[molten flicker]

double timed 😮

[crimson zephyr]

but this time the dmg distribution actually shows some mistakes

[spice spire]

Dog

[crimson zephyr]

wanted to say: we didn't wipe and had a smooth run i.e. dps is shit cause I'm doing shit.

[spice spire]

For all I know trash evaporated and you guys spent <50% on bosses

[crimson zephyr]

I think I have to watch some pros 😄

[spice spire]

Which yeah that means ur dps tanks

[copper shore]

the world is missing honest people like you 🙂

[crimson zephyr]

nah I actually did a bad job of keeping spatter up this time.

[crimson zephyr]

yeah I'm great

[copper shore]

I have that at times when the pulls are awkward

[crimson zephyr]

how serious do you take uptime of envenom? do you envenom < 5 just for uptime?

[spice spire]

So you’ve identified a problem

[copper shore]

but we can chain just make sure maintenance is a-ok imo

[spice spire]

In trash? I envenom for damage because I need to dump energy and cp

For bosses uptime matters

If you’re unable to chain. You pull

[copper shore]

during chaining I prio ruptures due to the agi increase and fill garrote

[crimson zephyr]

I mean look at that, I'm best eq, shittiest dps 😛 gonna have to practice even more. It's just that practigin ST was so easy. sim, puppet, review, fix shit, "done".

but I think it's just practice, so new to m+

[crimson zephyr]

you pull?

[spice spire]

Pool

Sorry

[crimson zephyr]

can you explain "to pool"?

[copper shore]

sometimes its better to plan ahead and hold back a bit during chaining

depending on dungeon ofc but thats my experience

[pliant gazelle]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[copper shore]

also depends on your tank and his plan

[crude sequoia]

i also had this issue, until i learned it was pretty much just double tap garrote and rupture on opener, then spread bleeds and envenom at full CP whenever darkest night is up

[crimson zephyr]

and then people say assa is easy to play and I'm here underperforming like a donkey 😆

[crimson zephyr]

thanks

[crimson zephyr]

yeah I know that

[copper shore]

practise makes master. rinse repeat has its perks

[crimson zephyr]

I mostly open with garrotw, rupture, crimson, garrote ruptrue evenom fok env fok env (more or less)

[copper shore]

I suck at ARAK but I can almost muscle memory GB 😛 guess how that came around

[crimson zephyr]

I mean ssumine I have proc otherwise ambush

[copper shore]

open with ambush no?

[crimson zephyr]

that was GB and I do mostly GB xD

[crimson zephyr]

yeah if DN is not up

[copper shore]

then garrote and rupture rupture depending on grp. you want 5 ruptures up for agi maintenance

garrote after if more casters

[crimson zephyr]

at least at puppets I am decent, at like 90% of sim. so my rota seems decent. it's just the "meta game" in m+ I'm not used to at all. (I guess)

[copper shore]

I prefer being safe and silenc

instead of dps

[crimson zephyr]

agi maintenance?

[copper shore]

yes

[crude sequoia]

it'll be better once you learn the different packs and become familiar/comfortable with them

more focus on rota and defensives/dodging damage will become second nature

[crimson zephyr]

maybe I expect myself to learn faswter than I am capable of

[copper shore]

rinse repeat. do it and learn

[crude sequoia]

maybe, but the best way to learn is by doing

[copper shore]

scent of blood works well in chaining

[crimson zephyr]

of course of course

[crimson zephyr]

can you tell me what you mean by that

[crimson zephyr]

wait didn't people say this command is outdated?

[copper shore]

scent of blood means that every count of target increases your main stat. so if I chain I always makes sure I have (when I can) have 5 ruptures up

[crimson zephyr]

do people ever have problems staying below 50% energy? ^^

[merry bison]

Pooling ain’t outdated sir

[crimson zephyr]

is there a dr after 5?

[copper shore]

in m+ usually energy is not that much an issue

imo

[molten flicker]

the talent only stacks to 5

[spice spire]

In m+ single target it’s a large issue

[merry bison]

Especially ST if you’re fully running m+

[crimson zephyr]

ah true

[copper shore]

fill it up with garrote

but I always make sure CT is maintained during that

then spatter hurts

[merry bison]

Pooling on st literally fixed quite everything for me on ST in m+

[copper shore]

especially if you can efficiently swap target

[crimson zephyr]

I don't get this. It makes sense for fatebound but why would I ever have the problem of being >50% energy?

[copper shore]

(I havent tried fatebound)

[molten flicker]

read sanguine blades talent

[copper shore]

didnt feel right the one time I used it but I should prolly try it

[molten flicker]

it eats energy for extra bleed dmg if u are above 50%

[crimson zephyr]

yeah I am still trying to figure that part out. I'd love to have a reference setting macro so I dont have to click that much ^^

[slim geyser]

is it me or is assa ST in m+ really scuffed now, like i can barely keep envenom up even with ttk ?

[molten flicker]

it is not scuffed

what changed to make it so

[spice spire]

Yeah

[slim geyser]

i feel like i never have energy in pure st

[spice spire]

That’s not new rho

The reason you have energy in raid is dashing

[slim geyser]

if i can rupture some adds it's fine, but other then that, when deathmark ends i never press buttons again

[spice spire]

But dashing only has value for 40% of the dungeon

If that

[waxen oyster]

You just cant spam in dungeons

[vague pier]

hi good morning

[waxen oyster]

i can still do like a mil idk

its fine

[vague pier]

does any1 have mutilate/ambush macro ?

[crimson zephyr]

why would you wanan have sanguine AND stay below 50% energy o.O the talent is never used then no? is sanguine "on application" or "on runtime"?

I guess the former ...

[quiet oar]

You are very dashing to me

[spice spire]

Why do you need this

[spice spire]

You don’t wanna lose energy

[crimson zephyr]

why do we spec sanguine blades?

[vagrant brook]

it has value during DM and in AoE

[spice spire]

Less energy = less casts

[spice spire]

CDs + aoe it’s good

[vague pier]

cus i do

[crimson zephyr]

DM?

[vagrant brook]

deathmark

[ashen rover]

Deathmark

[molten flicker]

it's "on runtime" if u mean that it dynamically updates when u say that

and it is used in aoe where we have more energy than we can use

for example

[vague pier]

does any1 have mutilate/ambush macro ?

[waxen oyster]

i need a bonespike hater role

[molten flicker]

why would you need that

[vague pier]

YES

[molten flicker]

yes

[crimson zephyr]

I meant like "when" does it consume those 2 energy? each tick? when you apply?

[molten flicker]

when you are above 50% when it ticks, yes

[spice spire]

Each tick

[crimson zephyr]

#showtooltip Ambush
/cast [stance] Ambush; Mutilate

maybe this? but I dont think you need it anymore no?

[vague pier]

yes

[copper shore]

always keep this in mind... so you dont feel starved and still have something extra when you need. any downtime this talent helps a lot to keep up dps

[quiet oar]

You need it, if you dont have stanxe swap

[vague pier]

tHANK YOU

[waxen oyster]

the generic wowhead build has no sb now

[crimson zephyr]

what do you mean? can I turn of the whole cast bar changing for stealth? that would be nice.

[crimson zephyr]

what's sb? ^^

[quiet oar]

#showtooltip
/cast [bonusbar:1] Ambush; Mutilate

[crimson zephyr]

but great thansk everyone, a few new things I learnt. one after the other.

[quiet oar]

This is what i use

[copper shore]

well as any peeps mention always read your talents so you know where you want to tweak unless you need to learn to change

[quiet oar]

Yeah i disabled it, but its only possible with addons

[copper shore]

read talents and know

[quiet oar]

Blizzard Standard ui doesnt have this etting

[copper shore]

dont blindly copy

[crimson zephyr]

yeah sure, I usually try to find a mistake then practice a bit then go reread stuff but then I forget a bunch and then I come here and people throw stuff at me and then I repeat the cycle.

[copper shore]

if you read through the talents you kinda read your rotation in prio setup imo

so I always think its great when people try something else

like a raid setup something not generic might still work right

like me I still need to try fatebound (bit scared tbh since it might set me off)

[quasi stump]

abt to do an 8 grim batol without hekili

[quiet oar]

Instanz 20% more dps

Not using hekili

Frfr

[crimson zephyr]

sure but I have so much stuff to learn/practice atm ^^ I want to get the basics right first

[copper shore]

you are at the right portal

[waxen oyster]

Honestly the core of assa doesnt change

from st to aoe

talents, you just have different passives

[copper shore]

but you know I think get your UI and plater in order and then go dummies while watching some movies on assass

it might do wonders

learn it 1 step at a time

if new to the class

[crimson zephyr]

well my dummy dmg isn't that bad

[waxen oyster]

IC is probably the biggest training wheel to this spec on multitarget

[crimson zephyr]

IC?

[waxen oyster]

indiscriminate

[molten flicker]

carnage

[copper shore]

well then go dungeons and be self critic and see where to improve

[waxen oyster]

Yeah not like the days of old

where you actually had to tab rupture every mob

[copper shore]

and I think then you will be fine. always be open to tips. even people in LFG give them here and there

[waxen oyster]

individually

[molten flicker]

#mouseover macro

[crimson zephyr]

eh not that new but never did m+ or pve seriously. never digged deep. and doign decent dmg in raid was always pretty easy. for my pleb raids at least 😛

[waxen oyster]

that too

still more gcds

i personally am not a huge fan of mouseover for dotting

[copper shore]

I never did pvp 🙂 I guess pvp vs pve probably pve is easier

[crimson zephyr]

how so? that seems like easy af no?

[waxen oyster]

due to things being tightly together

[molten flicker]

I am still using mouseover on both rupture and garrote

[copper shore]

pve is knowledge put into planning and go by there

[crimson zephyr]

why not just stick to yo utarget?

[copper shore]

pvp ... man I suck balls

[waxen oyster]

I mean damage matters in pvp too

[royal lantern]

thats what he means, IC takes the entire thought process of actually dotting out

you just slam garrote 2x->ruputre->the end

[waxen oyster]

But theres control factors tossed into the mix.

[crimson zephyr]

oh I never got really good, I never played long enough to really get the practice to get really good - and I think I just suck at absorbing all the info in the heat of the moment xD

[copper shore]

@balance I sent a pm maybe that helps

[molten flicker]

whatever do you mean by that? mouseover lets me stick to a target

[copper shore]

well you are along friends so be free to ask (here you can nobody likes rogues mostly hahaha)

rogues are the one niche class since vanilla who gets by all the fucking time and in the nooks and crannies we always get by very well. vanilla was something else but still we are fine

[crimson zephyr]

I set a focus target and take main target and then just garrote garrote on it because it automatically spreads it to mobs that don't have it. - it's something I need to better understand but seems to work.

Otherwise I'd just tab + shit tab or click + shit tab. but again, might be shit.

[molten flicker]

no, I do that too at the start of a pull or during vanish

but when I wanna apply dots outside of those windows I like not having to change target if I don't want to

[quick prawn]

Hey im new, does anyone have the base single target macro?

[crimson zephyr]

ah true

[waxen oyster]

there isnt one

you macro trinket on use to deathmark

[molten flicker]

what is that

[waxen oyster]

and orc

if you have that

[copper shore]

I am deathstalker so I ambush first and then garrote on casters then rupture and if big rupture again. then swap target since then I can always kick or silence again with garrote garrote and then go immediately activare spatter and CT

[crimson zephyr]

I'm no pro but I always figured I dont use macros because that prohibits me from learning

[quick prawn]

okay thank you

[waxen oyster]

#showtooltip
/use 14
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Deathmark

I guess?

[copper shore]

mostly I go above 2 to 4 mil if big grp. but mind spatter so you have to keep mutilate prio target and maintenance

[crimson zephyr]

another question: What god do I have to slaugther a lam for to get the trinket?

[copper shore]

mind you I dont have sac or skardyns :/

that shit never drops for me

[rose socket]

when do you usually death mark?

[molten flicker]

there is more than one trinket

[copper shore]

my highest has been about 8 mil

with 639 siege trink and 626 dawn trinkl

[crimson zephyr]

I mean I can do that to, e..g 2nd/3th pull in GB the big one, I can get to 3.8m. I think my rota works mostly and I get it - I don't feel comfortable yet though. and my overall damage sucks but I also "Just" started to much to practice.

[upper oak]

worth going out of the way for the .15 crit effect per gem color or just use one type?

[crimson zephyr]

GB 😦

[molten flicker]

no

[hollow river]

!shiv

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[hollow river]

This?

[west crown]

This is useless btw. Game already does this

[copper shore]

I cheat. I use pot on DM macro untill I get an on use trinket but the pots help on boss since I look at timers for DM and I always come out top dmg for overall

[molten flicker]

we just gonna throw random macros at the guy?

[copper shore]

I just use pots and rank 2 are cheap but in a grp I want to pull my weight so yea

[hollow river]

That’s the only “new” macro that I’m aware of

[copper shore]

so on bosses especially this week you come out top

[molten flicker]

he didn't ask for any new macro

he asked for "base single target macro"

[crimson zephyr]

I'm rich so I always have r3 whetstones and also often use r1 tempered and r3 flask >.<

[copper shore]

especially if you keep above 50% so the bleeds do exta

[molten flicker]

which base?

[quiet oar]

Its Not

[copper shore]

trash ignore energy bosses pool

[quiet oar]

If you dont have Bar swapping its Not useless

[copper shore]

all the bleeds you maintain give you enough

[hollow river]

Who asked

[molten flicker]

the guy u replied to

[west crown]

I was going to say, for the niche people who disable bar swaps sure

[hollow river]

No I mean

Who asked you

[quiet oar]

Bar swapping is cringe imo

[molten flicker]

it's a chat

you're not the first to throw random macro at him

I just found it funny

relax

[west crown]

I mean. Just keybind better

[jagged wasp]

hi guys how could we hit shards efficiently on skarmorak

[crimson zephyr]

okay so a question. In m+ you basically have aoe during trash and ST during boss. during aoe sanguine blades kick in and during boss that's kinda useless. During ST you can blast and just deplete the energy basically but how do you manage your energy during aoe? do you try to keep above 50%?

[cunning needle]

save deathmark

and chain it on them

[crimson zephyr]

you can disable that? I'd love to disable that who needs a stealth bar

[quiet oar]

Well i only have to maintain 1 Bar for keybinds and have not stance swap delay

[quiet oar]

You can with bartender

Or elvui

[crimson zephyr]

ah I see

[quiet oar]

Thsts the Sole reason i have bartender

[west crown]

You aren’t maintaining energy in aoe

Goodluck staying under 200

And don’t deplete in ST, pool

Maintain envenom and bleeds

[crimson zephyr]

one thing I remembered today from ages ago: setting my spell queue window to 200. It's so much better - but maybe I just press to fast

[heavy night]

guys is there a reason to use envenom with 7cp instead of 5cp outside of applying darkest night?

[crimson zephyr]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[west crown]

If you get crits that give you CP over 5

5+ other than DN is the rule

[heavy night]

ty

[split veldt]

so um, am i just a complete moron, or do i need to do something special to use shadowmeld with IC?

[molten flicker]

my 639 sacbrood sims as a 2700 dps increase over 619 shadow-binding ritual knife on dungeonslice Xd 😦

[west crown]

Shadowmeld does not trigger stealth effects

[vast patio]

I would hope so.

The sacbrood gives you more stats with two stacks lol

[crimson zephyr]

so I max uptime on envenom without being dry on energy. I mean that's probably something I do wrong, I don't give much thought to env buff atm. but ST isn't really much of my worry (I think). But basically I try to max. env buff while being below 50% energy.

Why 50% energy? I know snaguine blades has 50% in it but I don't see how the two matters are related. And if the argument is "to max. deathstalker mark consumption", then 50% is just a rough guesstimate/orientation?

[split veldt]

ive been lied to

[vast patio]

Don't you shadowmeld>stealth?

[west crown]

You have to macro it to stealth

[vast patio]

I don'-yeah

[hollow river]

You have to macro stealth to meld or press meld->stealth

[waxen oyster]

20 ilvl will do that

[heavy night]

i think you dont want sanguine blades proccing in ST

[vast patio]

I just barely missed the cheaper race change window, bleh.

[hollow river]

/cast Shadowmeld
/cast !Stealth

[split veldt]

so i cant use it as a second vanish if a tank doesnt let me stealth?

[molten flicker]

no, I mean, 2700 dps is very very little

[west crown]

So the 50% is to not consume the extra energy cost outside of cds with Sanguine Blades

[copper shore]

if you are ST or raid then envenom is your top dps

[waxen oyster]

yeah knife good

[west crown]

Use one of these to help track things

[hollow river]

You can try it with the macro, won’t always work properly

[west crown]

!wa

[midnight reef]

So what are the top 3 poisons to keep up for pve?

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[quasi stump]

i relapsed on hekili for outlaw rogue

[vast patio]

knife punches above it's weight ye

[split veldt]

aite

[waxen oyster]

4

[crimson zephyr]

oh sorry I meant ST in terms of m+ e.g. boss fight

[hollow river]

Sometimes you have to press it more than once as well, just fyi

[midnight reef]

im lvling rn

[midnight reef]

Ah ok i see tho

[split veldt]

so why all the nelfs in MDI if it doesnt use stealth effects

[west crown]

Amplifying and Deadly always, Crippling and one of the other non lethal is what you apply to your weapons

[waxen oyster]

skips

[midnight reef]

ive got crippling, aplifying, numbing and deadly

[waxen oyster]

yeah dtb lets you use 4

else deadly over amp

[crimson zephyr]

you get out of fight (outside of boss fights) and you can go back to stealth + you in GB if someone target you you can cancel it - I guess those might be reasons

[split veldt]

oh, so it lets you re-stealth in combat

[waxen oyster]

thats not why its good

[jagged wasp]

it also allows tank to chain and u can get out of combat, thats why most of them use nefl in MDI

[waxen oyster]

in mdi they skip packs with it

[crimson zephyr]

yes - I use it e.g. to get back my DN if I fuck it up (but I doubt MDI players have that problem xD)

[crimson zephyr]

the whole group is melders?

[waxen oyster]

thats why nelf is good

[jagged wasp]

basically when they chain last pull on last boss of Mist

[waxen oyster]

you dont need dwarf considering mdi isnt push key level

its alot lower

[west crown]

It doesn’t always exactly work mid combat. Between packs to get a restealth is a more common use

[vast patio]

why were they doing 9s in the mdi? I tuned in late

[crimson zephyr]

I'm nelf because in 04 I wanted to play with my friend who played nelf.

[waxen oyster]

mdi is always lower

than push

[vast patio]

9s tho?

[jagged wasp]

blizzard sets it up considering live keys timed

[waxen oyster]

wasnt it 17s

in legion

ermm df

so about the same

[vast patio]

there was 9s at one point and my friend and I were making fun of it

[west crown]

Yeah let me in mdi

[split veldt]

that's what i want

[west crown]

Give me some randos and we will beat mdi

[heavy night]

guys, in dawnbreaker 2nd boss, when it spawns the small mobs, is it reasonable to apply rupture -> get the cps from bone spike-> and keep applying small ruptures?

[waxen oyster]

Guy realizes mdi key level isnt high

[vast patio]

even by that standard 9s are low

[hollow river]

Key levels were squished.

[molten flicker]

no

[waxen oyster]

they were below weekly vault level

in df

so whats your point

[vast patio]

I can do 9s on my 606 alt.

[hollow river]

MDI is about speeding through the key the fastest man

[jagged wasp]

key level doesnt affect a lot difficulty of competition, its more about the setups u are able to do with this level, its all about minmaxing the pulls

[hollow river]

Not about key level

[waxen oyster]

lmao its a speedrunning contest

not a complete contest

[hollow river]

The Great Push is about key level

[west crown]

The only thing I do rupture-wise on that boss is vanish and rupture to get some energy back and proc MA. But that’s running WaT with an extra vanish for CDs

[hollow river]

Different competition

[waxen oyster]

im pretty sure mdi in df

was 17s

[vast patio]

should at least be a 10 idk

[waxen oyster]

which checks out

to what 9s are

rn

[pliant remnant]

Why tf does it matter if it's a 9 or a 10

if the entire point is to run it faster than the other team

like do you not understand how this works or

[waxen oyster]

guy complains about content being easy

while never being good enough to do it at that level

[vast patio]

fort+tyran? Seems weird to set it up that way to me idk.

[jagged wasp]

considering that im prac with team for MDI, i can tell that its not that easy to run those huge pulls even in 9

[pliant remnant]

And the bit of scaling in a speedrunning team vs team competition would achieve what, exactly?

[waxen oyster]

Dude’s acting like those 40 year old beergut sunday night football viewers

[copper shore]

9 min dawn like ffs 🙂

[pliant remnant]

Like, it being "weird" is literally just something you make up in your head

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[west crown]

I feel like 10s should be minimum for MDI because that’s where the difficulty actually becomes prevalent. But I understand the organization of the tournament

[waxen oyster]

I mean to the competing type of teams

none of these keys are hard

[jagged wasp]

dawn was actually in 10

[west crown]

“Hard” to speed run and 3 chest kind of thing

[waxen oyster]

I mean this is also the first season

with the new system

[jagged wasp]

whatever the level of the key u have to manage kinda perfectly kicks/ccs so u dont get OS by the amount of cast inc from pulls

[waxen oyster]

It probably just followed the “slightly below weekly vault key” model of prior mdi

[balmy condor]

what if mdi is delete

[waxen oyster]

real

only thing mdi has created is dumbass pug tanks

trying to recreate

with randoms

[jagged wasp]

imo the problem is that 12 is too high for MDI format, and there isnt enough key level between the forti/tyra scaling and the 10% buff in 12

[wild hound]

Hey does anyone know the damage increase of being orc over nelf for raid ST? Cause Meld is useless there right?

[waxen oyster]

Not enough to matter

[vast patio]

go with what you like better basically

[waxen oyster]

you can type in the race sim script in advanced

if you really care

[west crown]

Im just happy im seeing sin rogue in MDI

[waxen oyster]

unless you play male nelf thn there is something wrong

with your frontal cortex

[balmy condor]

that makes one of us

[wild hound]

Ohhh cool, will check! But good to know, thanks ❤️ Hahah eww no dont worry, no male nelf here

[west crown]

What’s your problem with it Whispyr? Pugs asking you to recreate MDI skips?

[quasi stump]

dude im the happiest about the arms woyers

[cunning scaffold]

I don’t think sin has made an appearance since legion

[vast patio]

Is this the first time we haven't seen mages at all in the mdi?

[waxen oyster]

that was sub

[jagged wasp]

so now in the live servers u will soon have bunch of fotm sin rogue popping in pugs

[waxen oyster]

triple ww legion

triple bm hunter bfa

[quasi stump]

there already are a bunch of FOTM sin rogues

[vast patio]

Wait I missed the triple ww comp?

[royal lantern]

cant wait for pugs to try to copy the stonevault golem boss "1guy grabs all orbs" strat and just die in 2 dot ticks

[vast patio]

Damn I mained ww in legion, too

[waxen oyster]

yeah 7.3.5

[royal lantern]

[vast patio]

Waow.

[west crown]

Ok why did you have to go and ruin it for me

[waxen oyster]

they played 4 wws

[vast patio]

windwalker was pretty damn insane in legion m+ lol

[waxen oyster]

and bdk

in upper

[jagged wasp]

facts, but a lot more soon ^^

[vast patio]

lolmega

[west crown]

Well a lot left because of 2% so it’s been a bit better

[waxen oyster]

strong spec

and sin is the easiest rogue spec

[quasi stump]

im never relapsing on Hekili again

[crimson zephyr]

in details can I somehow look up older fights or does it only record the last 20?

[iron jasper]

any idea if recraft weapon /ring 636 bug for free upgrade still works?

[west crown]

Iirc it’s fixed

[waxen oyster]

2% what

[vast patio]

I like just garroting an entire quest area and sudden death kills them all.

[waxen oyster]

so you did what sub and outlaw did

for 3-4 expacs

[jagged wasp]

considering u are playing sin, u will not see another fotm sin in ur key, solved issue

[royal lantern]

literally nobody typing here rn existed 4months ago lol

[static glacier]

hello fellow fotm rogues 🙂

[waxen oyster]

thats the sub channel

[west crown]

Nerf

[waxen oyster]

in a nutshell

[waxen oyster]

which one

[west crown]

This past week

[waxen oyster]

all the sin nerfs have done fuckall

[west crown]

Yeah but the fotm don’t see it that way

[waxen oyster]

lethality change

you swap to forced induction

wowee

same damage

[static glacier]

ngl if you're an fotm chaser I think the play has to be shaman

[west crown]

I’m not fotm, just new

[static glacier]

3 good specs vs rogue

[royal lantern]

is that even a thing

[static glacier]

which has 1 good, 1 ok and 1 bad

[waxen oyster]

its 7k gain

on raid build

[royal lantern]

idk, i changed nothinf

7k lol

[crimson zephyr]

I use feint a lot, is that bad? just plain ol 40% feint. just to help the healer a bit. I just know "Now aoe comes", I press feint.

[waxen oyster]

all 3 shaman specs are good

[waxen oyster]

about as inconsequential as the lethality change

tbh

which was my point

[west crown]

Take elusiveness, feint better, help healer more

[cunning scaffold]

Using feint is good

[waxen oyster]

i like when i go into a pug

and 1/3 the raid is shamans

ret pallys during amirdrassil was also real bad

[crimson zephyr]

yeah might switch a bit later on when Im more comfortable

[west crown]

This is too real. Have 5 shamans in my raid now after changes

[waxen oyster]

well all our shamans

[vast patio]

I like how they nerfed the piss out of mages but shaman is pretty much still top god lol.

[waxen oyster]

already were sham in df

[west crown]

Well the expansion is kind of shaman themed

Makes sense

[waxen oyster]

they barely nerfed mage

[cunning scaffold]

Taking elusiveness and just hitting feint on everything you think hurts makes cheat death feel worthless

[waxen oyster]

i dont invite pug mages

[cunning scaffold]

That’s just my opinion though

[waxen oyster]

thats asking to deplete

well thats a lie i invited one

[west crown]

I’ve also realized that mages aren’t ez come do good dam

[waxen oyster]

because his mog was god tier

[hollow river]

DMing ppl that sign up to my key

“Link mog”

[waxen oyster]

current season/cosmetic gear is usually

a sign someone is fotm

imo

well fullset cosmetic

[west crown]

Woah hey

I feel attacked

[royal lantern]

good mog = good dmg

you know that everything is Rip when its a paladin in T2 or a tank with thunderfury

[waxen oyster]

male human in t2

[wicked jasper]

sorry if this is a dumb question but does sin run bubbling wax or whetstones?

[drowsy hatch]

whetstones > cum

[west crown]

Depends on your budget

[drowsy hatch]

but cum is free

[wintry pagoda]

if thats a question of budget

[cunning needle]

whetstones are like 300g now

[west crown]

Yeah

[royal lantern]

all makes almost 0 difference

[west crown]

Poor > broke

[royal lantern]

whetstone is 1%, oil/wax is like 0,8-0,7%

like, doesnt matter at all

[wintry pagoda]

the question is not about budget

its about effort

cause wax isnt calling big brutosaur +3clicks

thats the real benefit of whetstones

[wicked jasper]

ah ok

[cunning needle]

and also the gold saved by farming wax now

you can go out and mine some ore

is more efficient than farming wax

[wicked jasper]

i figured, sinned the crap out of it but it was like the exact same just wanted to make sure i wasnt screwing something up

[indigo thicket]

is there any benefit to having slice and dice on my bars?

[drowsy hatch]

no

in fact its probably harmful

cause you might spasm and hit it

[cunning needle]

not really, you can save some CP going from pack to pack

also as sub you can use it for CDR

[drifting cloud]

to reminisce of old times

[cunning needle]

i still have it bound but will probably remove in a patch or 3

feels such a waste of my Q bind

but i need to find something better to put there

[tacit nest]

does lingering darkness work on queen ring/focusing lense?

[old vector]

hello guys I see assa mdi very strong for the wiring but when I watching casual he no wiring? Help 🙁

[balmy condor]

No

[royal lantern]

kidney/cheapshot macro

[drowsy hatch]

A highly coordinated group doing smaller pulls will have less use. It's not for the average joe

[cunning needle]

my brain too small to deal with more than one ability on a single keybind

kidney is 5 and CS is X anyway

[royal lantern]

google for a macro that uses cheapshot in stealth and kidney when not in stealth

doesnt need a modifier

[cunning needle]

yeah but sometimes you want to kidney in stealth

[little burrow]

so this little snipping of a overall breakdown ... I just really got started on Sin rogue yesterday. Is there any glaring messups here? I feel like I am really butchering my kingsbane?

[royal lantern]

nah, not really

[cunning needle]

oh no my pvp tourettes is acting up again

[royal lantern]

same timer

[quasi stump]

guys im sorry

[waxen oyster]

its pvp only

[quasi stump]

im having so much fun with ret pal

[spice spire]

Hmm?

[royal lantern]

hi sorry

[spice spire]

Dead to me

[cunning needle]

nah i used to have KS/CS on teh same bind

[spice spire]

[cunning needle]

then i did some pvp years back and needed them on separate binds

[spice spire]

Ban them

[royal lantern]

why is that bad, if you have fun, play it lol

BUT i will judge

[cunning needle]

ret paladin spotted

[waxen oyster]

kidney from steatlh

is 100% a pvp thing

[cunning needle]

yeah

[quasi stump]

I kneel to you, take mercy on me

[cunning needle]

i probably dont need it anymore

since i dont pvp

[waxen oyster]

it was also more relevant

when we had mfd

[cunning needle]

oh yeah true

hmmm

[quasi stump]

also I relapsed on hekili for a key so Im sorry ceverion

[waxen oyster]

mark kidney healer

[quasi stump]

i gotta learn Sin's cooldown sequence

[waxen oyster]

sap off if they’re taking an afk break

funniest was always sapping unattentive rdruids

[cunning needle]

target dummy and wowhead up on a 2nd monitor

[waxen oyster]

who camp bear form too much

[west crown]

Hit a dummy for 20 mins. You’ll be fine then

[cunning needle]

fuck druids

[quasi stump]

i dont have a second monitor

[waxen oyster]

REAL

[royal lantern]

deathmark->shiv->kingsbane->slam envenom at 5+ cp, use the next shiv when the first one runs out and use vanish when KB is halfway over

[quasi stump]

i play FF sometimes on 4:3 so I can have forsen on the other window

[royal lantern]

thats the assa CD window

[cunning needle]

tape your phone on your monitor or something

[waxen oyster]

anyone else like how

boomies gaslight the community

into thinkkng their spec needed buffs

[cunning needle]

they learnt from warlocks

[quasi stump]

i have a laptop i use to play GBF

[waxen oyster]

honestly

assa’s cds are simple

[royal lantern]

tale old as time

[waxen oyster]

you vanish to apply empowered garrote

[quasi stump]

is this actually true

[waxen oyster]

and spread with carnage

[waxen oyster]

middle of the pack=bad type vibe

[coral ibex]

yes they do it ever expansion

fucking chickens

always moaning

[quasi stump]

i cant believe that there's no way

[waxen oyster]

warlocks do it more

warriors are held back by the fact most of them cant read

[quasi stump]

to be fair

us arms woyers kept catching strays

[waxen oyster]

i mean the chimps primarily refer

to fury players

[coral ibex]

a warlock player crashed out so hard over a nerf he invented a cryptocurrency

etherium

true story

[royal lantern]

the average fury brain would rather have warrior be deleted then touching Arms

[waxen oyster]

honestly

prot is the most mash heavy spec

on the class

[royal lantern]

it is

[crimson zephyr]

I changed my spell queue window to 200 because I kept queueing shit I didn't want and then e.g. overgenerate CP. Any reason to not do that?

[royal lantern]

but fury brains cant play prot

[west crown]

My Druid did this too, in fact he still does it

[royal lantern]

cus playing prot implies not dying every 20seconds

[waxen oyster]

irony of thst

[royal lantern]

srsly what it is with dps warriors and dying ALL THE TIME when warriors deffensive kit is really fucking strong lol

[waxen oyster]

with how fury is a tanky melee

we dont count dk revamp

[waxen oyster]

If you want to trigger boomy players

remind them their defensive cd has no cooldown

[hardy prairie]

so how does gameplay change with double vanish/subt build for m+? we just slam vanish on cd when necessary?

[west crown]

Bear?

[waxen oyster]

yes

[west crown]

lol

Yeah my raid lead is a boomy, always complaining about no defensive and “I’m just dead”

[waxen oyster]

pretty much the same

you have more crit in opener and time
to spread bleeds

[waxen oyster]

has nothing to do with the fact they’re outranging healers

definitely not

[west crown]

He’s actually good, just does less dps because he is scrutinizing the raid on mistakes and what not

When shit gets on farm he does well

[waxen oyster]

yeah raid leading tends to distract you

especially if you play an actual involved spec

[west crown]

“If you are doing less dps than me you are getting cut”

[waxen oyster]

pretty sure some rls

play bm just to focus more

when they have options

[hardy prairie]

is it ok to just use ambush for the duration of subt or do we need a seperate keybind for mut ?

[weary sky]

is there a shiv/tea macro that wont double use a tea charge if you accidentally press twice?

[west crown]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[weary sky]

❤️

[waxen oyster]

i mean in aoe theres better globals

fok or bleeds

[atomic relic]

any good assasin streamers?

which no need shty sub for watching video

[west crown]

Casualaddict

[atomic relic]

:)))

[west crown]

Whispyr

[atomic relic]

like this one

ty

[waxen oyster]

eu streamers do sub only mode alot more

[hot jay]

I'm trying to figure out why the tea macro isn't actually using my tea, in any scenario

[waxen oyster]

i’ve noticed….

[fickle jasper]

yo guys is it normal that i run out of energy in ST?

[hot jay]

the shiv/tea macro

[waxen oyster]

yeah

[hot jay]

but after trying a few things I'm outta ideas

[oak eagle]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[fickle jasper]

does that mean i wanna refresh rupture as late as possible?

[quasi stump]

i heard

[fickle jasper]

or still 6s mark ish

[waxen oyster]

situational

will you be able to keep up env

rupturing when you are

[fickle jasper]

ok ty team

[west crown]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[west crown]

Use something here

[waxen oyster]

you dont want either of your bleeds to fall off mid kb

gotta think ahead

[fickle jasper]

how is this going to help me?

[west crown]

Weakauras tell you when to refresh bleeds/envenom

Makes spec ez mode

[waxen oyster]

ehh besides the wa for double env stacks

i dont notice a huge amount

[west crown]

My eyes can’t see the tiny bleed timers so I guess it’s a huge thing for me personally

[cunning needle]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[hot jay]

is there something I did wrong here that I'm just not seeing in the moment?

I made sure I'm using that same macro on my bar, no other shiv macros exist in my macro list

shiv works but not tea

[drifting cloud]

did you try to relog? macros can bug out for 100 different reasons

[hot jay]

I'll give it a shot, haven't done that one yet

now it works.....very cool game

thanks

I've never had any macros brick on my warrior

but I guess I've never used a cast sequence macro on my warrior either

[mossy sundial]

how long is cloak's magic immunity?

[waxen oyster]

5s

[drifting cloud]

1s spaghetti immunity, 5s total, 7s with the hero talent

[waxen oyster]

7 with ethereal

[mossy sundial]

interesting

just got 1 shot by NW first boss frontal through cloak

thought I fucked it some how

[drifting cloud]

you have to cloak last second for tzhat one

[waxen oyster]

yeah you cloaked way too early

[coral ibex]

you pressed it too early

[drifting cloud]

evasion also works

[waxen oyster]

im not sure how people on this server

[mossy sundial]

I had 3 sec of cloak left

[waxen oyster]

are consistently doing it too early

[mossy sundial]

cleanly

[waxen oyster]

yeah

[coral ibex]

you pressed it early

[waxen oyster]

2 secs too early

[drifting cloud]

wdym like if you dont know its a thing youre gonna die

and its easy to not know its a thing

[mossy sundial]

if its 5 sec immunity how is that too early?

[drifting cloud]

because of some remnant 2008 spaghetti code

[coral ibex]

the frontal is an attack

[waxen oyster]

Idk i pressed it earlier with like 1/2 the castbar left

[coral ibex]

so only the first second immunes it

[waxen oyster]

and it immuned

[drifting cloud]

no you didnt, you pressed it in the last second otherwise youd gotten hit

[spice surge]

Because for the vast majority of mechanics it doesnt matter, and it shouldnt matter

Its just some silly spaghetti that makes some of them not work

[west crown]

Use evasion. Works 100%

[fickle jasper]

ty tbh i didnt even know about evenom uptime its not tracked in atrocity WA pack c.c

[spice surge]

But ye the first second of cloak works

And evasion works

[coral ibex]

yes it is

[mossy sundial]

I pressed it with 2 seconds left on cast and had 3-4 sec on duration of cloak

and died instantly

[waxen oyster]

how long is the belch cast

[fickle jasper]

where

[mossy sundial]

I'll trim the clip

[waxen oyster]

because i hit it with half the castbar left

[coral ibex]

its tracked by the envenom duration bar???

[mossy sundial]

yea gonna have to

wasnt an option at the time tho

[fickle jasper]

OH THE GREY BAR?

[mossy sundial]

had to evasion throw flesh earlier

[spice surge]

The cloak thing works 100% of the time too

Just need to use it at the last second of the cast

[drifting cloud]

you have to cloak in the last second of the cast otherwise it will hit you, its spaghetti code from 2008

[agile locust]

How much envenom uptime should we be aiming for?

[coral ibex]

the grey bar that activates when you press envenom and is labeled envenom duration and tracks your envenom buff

yes

that one

[hot jay]

I'd have never known that if I didn't read it here this game is sick

[coral ibex]

like how could you be playing assa and using atrocityui and not realize that

[fickle jasper]

ok ty XD

[coral ibex]

im rather confused

[hot jay]

any other notable abilities where cloak code is buggy?

[waxen oyster]

Also ngl i can just eat belch raw

[fickle jasper]

im playing the class for 2 days

[waxen oyster]

if topped

unless its a 13+

[coral ibex]

are you like 635 ilvl or something

[fickle jasper]

and assa is quite easy im pumping without goin in depth yet thats why i come here and ask for info

[waxen oyster]

632

not that crazy

[mossy sundial]

seems like it

never had this problem on 11s

same timing

[waxen oyster]

you should be able to live with just elu

so feint before cast

[coral ibex]

strongly doubt you are living it totally raw

[drifting cloud]

you did, it just didnt 1shot you or you pressed last second by accident because you didnt know its a thing

[fickle jasper]

so basically in ST evenom uptime > deathstalker value?

[hot jay]

is there a list with these ability outliers like belch? or would that list be like hundreds of examples and your always supposed to cloak last minute?

[drowsy hatch]

tis the only one this tier

[hot jay]

seems pretty weird

word, thanks

[drowsy hatch]

theres usually like

1 per tier

[drifting cloud]

the aoe on sikran

[mossy sundial]

definitely didn't hp never moved with cloak but I guess its possible

[spice surge]

Sikran aoe smash

[drowsy hatch]

2

= )

[mossy sundial]

so I need to hold it

until 1 sec left?

[coral ibex]

yes

[drowsy hatch]

yeah it needs to hit you during the first sec of cloak

[agile locust]

How much envenom uptime should we be aiming for?

[mossy sundial]

thats fucking stupid but alright

thank you gamers

magic immunity my ass

[west crown]

95%+. Under that is bad

[drowsy hatch]

to be fair

it says "a moment of magic immunity"

then "the cloak lingers"

[waxen oyster]

its also prob belch is weird

[waxen oyster]

since its dodgeable

so likely not entirely magic

[coral ibex]

because it is an attack

[hot jay]

I can't imagine dropping envenom with twist the knife but I'd be curious what uptime of double envenom we should expect to have since it does not seem sustainable after cds are gone

[coral ibex]

not a magical effect

its an attack that does nature damage

[waxen oyster]

you should be able to live it with just feint

but you were 60%

so uhh, healer lowkey trolling

leaving a belch target st 60

[agile locust]

Ok I’m way under at times. Spam on 5 cp when not applying DSM?

[west crown]

I’m not sure iirc. But I feel like Whispyr broke it down in one of his newest vids

[coral ibex]

on a 12, i live with 6% hp with just feint and elusiveness

[mossy sundial]

a moment is vague thats why I asked duration and ppl said 5 sec, def died before 5 sec

[coral ibex]

you really do not want to be just feinting it

[west crown]

Never spam, keep envenom uptime with 5+ CPs. 7 CPs for DN

[waxen oyster]

your vers

is giga low too

and ig no druid buff

[mossy sundial]

nature dmg is magic dmg no?

[serene mason]

like youll know when to double layer envenom (energy capping)

[coral ibex]

you can't guarantee you have a druid

[waxen oyster]

yes

its just spaghetti code

[spice surge]

!update

[prisma monolith]

Updated.

[spice surge]

!nw

[prisma monolith]

The breath/frontal from the first boss in Necrotic Wake is bugged and can go through cloak of shadows despite it doing magic damage.
To prevent this you need to have the first second of cloak up whenever the breath hits you,
in other words cast cloak when his cast has less than a second left, then it will be immuned and you will not take damage.
Sidenote: You can also use evasion to dodge the breath whenever cloak is not ready.

[drowsy hatch]

im mostly just messin

[waxen oyster]

worst case you need to feint with elu

and be topped

[west crown]

Like for example by 92 parse on Bloodhound this week only had 92% envenom uptime cuz I’m bad

[coral ibex]

the frontal isn't bugged, it always goes thru cloak

that message makes it sound like there's a chance you can cloak it other than with the true immune

[waxen oyster]

Yeah if you dont utilize the 1s of cloak immunity

you will get smacked

[coral ibex]

there's no "can go thru"