assassination

[warm vortex]

(tank got rez tho so we didn't deplete then)

Idk how to record things tho
If i did i would have that run recorded but i dumb

2nd time running WaT though

Feels really nice

[severe pagoda]

hmmm i simmed myself:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rzDsoxNzVAGjeDENCNzu3x

and i have 2 embellishments already but simms shows that i can craft one more (Siphoning Stiletto) for offhand. Is that true?

[grim plover]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[toxic yarrow]

not true, 2 embellish only

[digital gale]

is 300K DPS on single target ok for 549 item level?

[drowsy hatch]

I dont think anyone has reference for 549 lol

[digital gale]

😐

[severe pagoda]

so simms are crashed, thank you

[silk dawn]

what is simms?

[severe pagoda]

simulation details

[lavish geyser]

got 2 questions for crafting. 1: we go 2x dawnthread for m+ right? 2: when crafting do we go crit/mastery?

[drowsy hatch]

You aren't going to get decent reference until the 600s really

[crimson zephyr]

there's a talent that improves evasion somehow no?

[drowsy hatch]

But also you dont have to worry about it = )

[drowsy hatch]

Elusiveness and Bait & Switch

[silk dawn]

What enchants should assass get?

[drowsy hatch]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[molten flicker]

did we change build for ovinax since the patch?

[crimson zephyr]

ty

[silk dawn]

Are there any tools/guides for enchants on pvp assass?

[drowsy hatch]

Would ask #pvp

[silk dawn]

k

[drowsy hatch]

People don't tend to talk about pvp in here

Since wow pvp LOL

[hollow river]

[drowsy hatch]

[hollow river]

https://tenor.com/view/the-interview-seth-rogen-james-franco-north-korea-television-gif-4185017

[spice spire]

No I hate you because it hasn’t been good since cata (I’m a boomer Ik)

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

Also you being pvp

Not you specific bbgirl

[hollow river]

lmao

[spice spire]

[warm vortex]

Acc anyone know how i could record my runs

[hollow river]

[warm vortex]

if i wanna post em n such

cuase i wanna see what i can improve from that 13 run

[drowsy hatch]

like actual screen cap

?

[warm vortex]

Yea

[drowsy hatch]

OBS is fine

[cursive adder]

Is there any macro copypasta about benefits of letting rogue restealth to slap before key so tank dont charge at next pack while current mob is at 1%?

[warm vortex]

Also Lilianna look i did a 13 :D

I need to learn how to use that thne

[drowsy hatch]

lol we had the opposite for a very long time

but removed cause of a command bug

[sage egret]

Hey guys, which website should I refer to as a M+ player. Cause I have bad time managing the down times and understanding the rotation

[faint path]

Did you guys drop sudden demis?

[warm vortex]

I feel like ill mess it up btw X)
i remember trying to stream with it and it was hrad for me

[normal mist]

mostly twitch and watching the boys play

you can check wowhead but it isnt really focused on M+

[desert crest]

i want it so that it spams it at 1 min intervals throughout the key cause even my premade tank forgets

[sage egret]

I should yeah… Think I do things wrong even if I think I understood. Like it’s on single target that dps drops verry low

[normal mist]

our ST is weak

[sage egret]

ST?

Oh single target

Sorry

Ok so nothing anormal I guess

[normal mist]

i usually do between 800 and 1.2 ST in m+, depending if i had Cds or not

[sage egret]

Ilvl?

[normal mist]

625*

[sage egret]

Ok ty

Will refer to that

For a start

[normal mist]

my overalls in my 8-9's are also between 1.4M and 1.9M, depending on the tanks and dungeon

[sage egret]

Double vanish is worth taking? Saw different paths

[normal mist]

You can

subterfuge after the rework is amazing

[sage egret]

I think of it like a good way to reapply damage

[desert crest]

but u don't get that many more vanish uses by taking it tho

[normal mist]

True

[sage egret]

So maybe not that worh

[normal mist]

its like 1 to 3, depending on the dungeon

[desert crest]

yeah in general it is not that good no

[sage egret]

Alright, thanks guys!

[normal mist]

2/2 subterfuge is Chefkiss

[drowsy hatch]

The other options are just also dookie

So it's nbd

[iron valve]

how to make people hate you

[keen spruce]

Many did I did not

[pine dew]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[pine dew]

!skardyn

where shoult i macro skardyn?

[cerulean walrus]

To Deathmark

[royal lantern]

deathmark

[pine dew]

thanks

[knotty rose]

!sim

[desert vault]

I was just doing a couple keys with MA and Subt, the idea behind why subt is good is just ... more time to spread imp garrote and ambush damage?

and the crit chance of those with MA?

[winged quail]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[normal mist]

Ma buff longer, more IC / improved garrote time

big good

[winged quail]

I prefer taking 2nd Vanish over one point in Lethality, means you can use vanish to silence packs in big caster pulls and still have vanish to lineup with cooldowns and MA

also vanish to spread bleeds to ads in some fights is quite useful

[desert vault]

Ok, I mean I thought I got it guess for smaller 10-12s might not be quite as good in the giga keys, but I will play around with some options

[normal mist]

2nd vanish is fine if you understand that you're not getting that many extra vanishes per key

[exotic trench]

Hey guys how do you manage your thistle tea ?

[winged quail]

yeah I more like it for the added utility without losing damage in cooldowns

[exotic trench]

cause in mono i'm often withiout energy

[winged quail]

charge systems give flexibility, it's nice

[normal mist]

Yeah i believe most big keys using double vanish is mostly defensive

[normal mist]

unfortunately the charge system is shit

they don't have independent CD's

[winged quail]

don't spam play for envenom uptime

[winged quail]

they don't???

[normal mist]

they never did

[winged quail]

oh wait nvm im being dumb ofc they dont

[normal mist]

if the CD was independent, the talent would be straight busted

[winged quail]

yeah ofc

[exotic trench]

so you try to spend only on rupture and garrote and 5 cp for evenom ?

[knotty rose]

i was more of looking for some spreadsheet with how to sim for single target/m+ situations but it seems its not there ;D

[winged quail]

in raidbots use patchwerk for singletarget and dungeonslice for M+

[normal mist]

Patchwerk ST
Dungeonslice M+

[desert crest]

yeah i know bro hence why i don't actually have such a macro lol

nothing worse than the "i interrupted this" macros

[shy creek]

So simming is how you get most damage, how do you determine when you need more versatility over damage in a key?

[spice spire]

https://not-even-close.com/

🙂

[shy creek]

oh that looks cool

ty

[spice spire]

it's absolutely

not perfect

but

it's a good guesstimate for you

[frosty bridge]

if your sim shows vers gems being a percent or so from other gear just go for the vers enchants, gems etc

[marble hemlock]

you are

[frosty bridge]

not sure how worth it is this season tbh, its not as oneshotty as before and we have evasion for magic dr too

[spice spire]

I mean elus is just kinda juiced on a few dungeons too

[shy creek]

dont think i run cheat ever

[spice spire]

past a certain key level almost no point

[lavish geyser]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[main blaze]

For egg. I get that max dps is 20/10 stacks and pause it, but how much does that swing the trinket in its ranking (or % increase) if Im not tracking that optimally by moving at the right time?

[lavish geyser]

how do you decide if you wanna play deathstacker vs fatebound for m+?

[west crown]

Do you want to live and do good aoe damage? Or do you want to die/live and do less aoe

[lavish geyser]

die and do no aoe dmg

[west crown]

Fatebound it is!

[royal python]

Does momentum of despair buff clear the witnesses

[ionic marsh]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[fading stump]

!miss direct

[royal python]

Fatebound does better burst (including aoe) but can't sustain, for dungeons both are equal, I've cleared all 11s on fatebound without crimson tempest

[blazing pumice]

the evasion dr is too powerful on deathstalker

[stray adder]

When I vanish before MA expires it won't trigger MA, is that a bug?

[merry bison]

70 runs grim and not a single skardyn drop. Grind will never stop

[stray adder]

next one

[merry bison]

https://tenor.com/view/salute-cat-salute-gif-9387060717664171089

[royal python]

You get it with elusiveness , maybe at higher keys it makes a difference

[spice spire]

99% of skardyn's runner don't run one more and miss their chance

[blazing pumice]

having an extra dr in evasion makes a huge diff in big keys

[royal python]

Makes no difference at 11s12s

[merry bison]

It's the same with gambling...

[stray adder]

I ran 40, then ran 1 more and got it

[merry bison]

The government created such thing as "gambling addiction" because they don't want you to be rich

[onyx falcon]

im at 40... getting close to you :/

[frosty bridge]

DS works with TTK ye?

[spice spire]

yes

[frosty bridge]

ly

[merry bison]

I really wonder how many runs deep our furry king @balmy condor is

[ebon notch]

Run one more DN

[royal iron]

Anyone know the Wa to see how many declines u get when u search for m+ ?

[balmy condor]

54 still but I haven’t run in a while

Working

:3

[merry bison]

may the thots and gods may bless you with a skardiddle skaddoodle

[onyx falcon]

Every time i finish a GB... and i get a drop... and its some random cloth warbound gear 😐

[royal iron]

Do we always play master assassin in m+ now ? When we got enough kicks ?

[spice spire]

I might bitch

[sonic zinc]

for rash, are people just targeting the adds for spatter?

mythic

[frosty bridge]

ya gotta

boss barely spatters unless mobs are right under it

[ancient lance]

Hello friends, is Shrouded suffocation bugged atm? Seems like im not getting the extra combo points

[sonic zinc]

i remember peple werent running spatter before, but i guess people are padding for parse now?

[stray adder]

no

are you not in stealth?

[frosty bridge]

I just did a key and it worked so not sure

[spice spire]

I also did a key and it worked just fine

about an hour ago

[spice spire]

no

[ancient lance]

I tried just Stealth into garrote and was only getting 1, might be a ui glitch on my end

[frosty bridge]

what are you using to display combopoints? was it just the unit frame bar?

[ancient lance]

^

[sonic zinc]

so the current top parses are just add pad right

[lusty kraken]

dumb question, are bleeds affected by leech (do they heal you)?

[cinder geode]

how much does not timing a key affect the score you get from it?

i got 366 from not timing a 12 siege by like 10 seconds

how much would i have gotten from timing it

[spice spire]

I mean yeah but you hard funnel boss still. It’s just caustic pad eh

[marble hemlock]

you cant really hit the adds with caustic anyway

theyre too far away due to the bosses hitbox being off platform

[spice spire]

You can if they’re brought to the edge

That’s like the way

They have to be fucking the boss’s throat

[marble hemlock]

ye

gotta stuff them up the bosses ass

for caustic to hit

[spice spire]

Call me adds if you’re the boss

[marble hemlock]

idk if the top parse is doing that

[spice spire]

Whispyr’s last week was

Lotta caustic dam there too

But then it also goes like

If your dk or warrior do AoE

You’re still not so

[sonic zinc]

yea im just making sure its just pad

[spice spire]

Lol

I mean it’s not just pad

[sonic zinc]

pad in the sense that im not entirely wrong in going full st on the boss still

[round coyote]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[sonic zinc]

for bloodbound, do people just full send cds on boss only, and just rupture spatter adds in down phase?

[spice spire]

So you send on adds if they need

But spatter on adds also hits boss

But spatter from boss doesn’t hit adds

Boss hit box is insanely high

[sonic zinc]

👍

[spice spire]

So you’re always damaging him some even when swapping

[winter vapor]

just a note regarding tea and macro - on ST am i looking to Tea during the first part of KB or in the later part as we did in last expac? or both/dependant on energy?

[sacred cedar]

does cloak dispel the poison during ansurak intermission 1

[royal python]

How does supercharger work? Any cp spent after shiv adds the talented cp to it 1/2, or do you need to land on a specific cp

[hollow river]

any

[royal python]

So max is 9 cp envenom ?

[spice spire]

10 technically

depending build

[royal python]

With deeper strategem n sanguine strategem, you got baseline 7 cp, +2 from supercharger? = 9 ?

[hollow river]

forced induction would make it 10

[royal python]

Ah ok

Thanks

[waxen harbor]

Hi. If I'm at 5 combo points, how much of a loss is it if I choose to Mutilate (currently at 5 CP, Mutilate leads me to 7 CP) > Envenom (7 CP) instead of Envenom at 5 CP? Thanks.

[hollow river]

if your mut were to crit you'd waste cp

[thick sail]

The raidbots message was something along the lines of, "raidbots could not connect, please check the FAQs page"

[arctic tusk]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[waxen harbor]

Anybody know the percentage loss in sims to do the thing above?

[west crown]

It’s enough of a loss you want to avoid it

[heady drum]

dead-eye spyglass simming p good for me, but would you ever use it in a dungeon?

seems p good in raid though

[ebon geyser]

have a question if someone can help , playing with only 1 charge on shiv , how am i supose to use it ? before entering kingsbane or during kingsbane?

[proper seal]

Brand new to rogue, is it normal to run out of energy on ST even with 100% rupture/garrote uptime?

[ebon geyser]

on st , yes

[strange python]

Is there still only one shiv charge in the mythic + build

And where should I use it? Before death mark or just at the end of KB

[green timber]

Any advice for weap enchants for someone who raids and m+s equally? one of each?

[blazing pumice]

end of kb

[strange python]

Ty manes

[final star]

how many bleeds in aoe for energy saturation

[blazing pumice]

5

ruptures

[stable oxide]

Hi, I have a question. Im kinda new to Assassination. In Aoe. When your Mutilate activates Caustic Splatter, when you switch target and mutilate something else, does the caustic splatter jump over on a new target or is it bound on 1 target untill it ends?

[ebon geyser]

why end? and not during it?

[stable oxide]

As in, when I need to spread my bleeds outside of indiscriminating carnage, how do I make sure im back on the caustic splatter target xD?

[blazing pumice]

the damage of kb increases over time

you want it the last 7 seconds or so

[blazing pumice]

it jumps over

[stable oxide]

Ah tanks

thanks*

[ebon geyser]

so , last 7 secs , not at the end

[blazing pumice]

yes

[blazing pumice]

you should either spam your current target with the bleeds or use mouseover macros

you don't really want to be tab targetting with ic

and you don't really want to switch off your main target

[errant heath]

I'm so confused on this new subterfuge build on AOE. I cant crimson tempest or fan of knifes till subterfuge buff runs out, is that right? I get 2 seconds of not doing anything after casting rupture and garrote twice in the opening, what do i cast for those 2 seconds?

[drowsy hatch]

you can totally fok or ct

[errant heath]

Im at the Training dummyt right now and i cant

[drowsy hatch]

in fact you probably should fok for the seal fate proc

is it on your stealth bar

[errant heath]

ohhh good point let me check

[blazing pumice]

while you are in subterrfuge you are in stealth

[errant heath]

it god damn isnt

ok ok

[blazing pumice]

your stealth bar should generally look identical to your main bar anyway

[vast patio]

Is there a variation of the M+ build that has both MA and iron wire?

[drowsy hatch]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[drowsy hatch]

yes

[blazing pumice]

the wowhead build does

[drowsy hatch]

most do

[vast patio]

Oh, sick. Was scanning top rios and it was like an either/or thing

[ebon geyser]

what you guys runing as trinkets? no luck with raid trinkets so far

[drowsy hatch]

dropping iw is a very dungeon and group based thing

[blazing pumice]

skardyns + whatever

[drowsy hatch]

skardyns + crystal/knife/spyglass/arakara

all good

[blazing pumice]

for m+ shadow-binding ritual knife is strong,

so is ara/crystal

[ebon geyser]

im using skardyns and ovinax , spaming ara kara for the trinket

[drowsy hatch]

ovinax is fine

just annoying

[lavish geyser]

this is 2nd day of playing assa, I feel like im not doing the damage I am supposed to, its like 1,1 overall which is think is pretty low. this is just a +9 dawn, shouldnt my dmg be more dominated by splatter?

[spice spire]

yeah

it should generally those are giga pulls

also probably ct

[stable oxide]

Is there a weakaura that can track the amount of ruptures and garrotes you have spread?

[lavish geyser]

they didnt rly pull like that

it was kinda small pulls

[slate crown]

For what purpose?

[lavish geyser]

also i think im not using vanish correclty, should I use it after I send a certain cooldown?

[stable oxide]

Too keep track of how many bleeds i've spread

During your aoe I assume alot of your garrotes will fall off eventualy

[slate crown]

You can generally count how many dots are applied by using a Multi Target or Nameplate Aura trigger, and the %matchCount token

[slate crown]

this was implied by your first statement, I was asking why you need to know the number of garrotes.

in mass aoe I wouldn't worry about reapplying garrotes

Rupture is more important for scent of blood

And that gives you a buff on your character with a stack number you can easily track

[stable oxide]

ah

[slate crown]

If you need to know the number, you can use %matchCount

But generally we don't need to know the exact number

[stable oxide]

how do you keep track of all the ruptures on multiple targets :P? I have so much debuffs on plater that its hard to see which one is rupture xD

[slate crown]

By making plater show very little debuffs

The only things I show are rupture and garrote

and kingsbane

[stable oxide]

ah

Thanks

[lavish geyser]

if tank pulls, and then pulls more. Do you stick to the original target? or do you try to spread more debuffs around?

[ashen totem]

Your caustic dmg is low, you arent pumping enough evenoms on the caustic target after spreading the initial bleeds and popping cds.

[vast patio]

Anyone got like a plater mod that makes the caustic target's nameplate green or something

I don't need it, I just think it'd look cool.

[old halo]

stock photo or no?

[spice spire]

you wanna spread for scent, as much as contextually makes sense

[lavish geyser]

I do, ambush, garrote, garotte, rupture, rupture, ambush, CT, and then I just go either the big cds or fan of knives into envenoms. is that correct?

[spice spire]

wat

[static glacier]

reverse image search it

[lavish geyser]

so would that be swapping to each individual target and putting rupture?

[spice spire]

if you have to yeah

but again

if trash melting

just focus and plow

if it's not

then you're gonna have to do some legwork

[lavish geyser]

ok that makes sense

but if I already have 5 targets ruptured I shouldnt worry, and just smack the same target?

[spice spire]

spreading can still make sense, there's no like "set" way to do things

[lunar kayak]

hey guys do we shiv a few global after kingsbane so that it’s effecting the higher poison dmg? or am i misunderstanding

[spice spire]

but generally no

[spice spire]

with just one shiv

[humble cradle]

I’m sure there are others but I use shivz’s, look him up on YouTube

[lavish geyser]

ok 🙂

[spice spire]

final 8s of kb

[drowsy hatch]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[lunar kayak]

okay cool, most builds i’m seeing are only one shiv for m+

[drowsy hatch]

yeah 2 shivs in m+ sucks

[spice spire]

well there's also raid

which does two chiv

just clarifying if you mean one shiv

it's just final 8s

[lunar kayak]

understandable yeah, one shiv, ty 🤝

[spice spire]

yessir

GLHF homie

[lunar kayak]

tyty

[humble cradle]

Assuming you are dropping combat between packs and losing the buff is spyglass bad for m+?

[spice spire]

I feel like I'm majorly blanking

@zinc frost was that you in that pug?

[slate crown]

Damn I never run into quake in pugs

if I could be so lucky

[spice spire]

dog trust me

you don't want me

I'm super washed

it was nice to actually have all the appropriate buffs for once

[gritty ibex]

best embellish combo?

[spice spire]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[zinc frost]

Yes sir

[sudden sigil]

in m+, do i tab target for caustic spatter on several targets or just on one? and do i use mutilate or fan of knives in aoe? sorry for stupid questions

[spice spire]

good shit homie, wanted to make sure because not everyone shares the name. Pug died after one rash wipe so is what it is - glad to see you king.

[zinc vortex]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[drowsy hatch]

Spatter can only be on one target at a time, so just chill on it. Then fok.

Mut is reapply spatter since it's only a 10s debuff

[devout remnant]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[sudden sigil]

ty!

[hoary acorn]

Guys, is the empowered Shiv talent good anymore?

I see a ton of guides that recomment to not take it anymore

[static glacier]

there is no empowered shiv talent

there's improved shiv / lightweight shiv and tiny toxic blade

[hoary acorn]

Its called Supercharged xD My bad on the naming

[static glacier]

supercharger is ran in st builds

[hoary acorn]

Oh, thanks ok that makes sense.

[strange cargo]

guess imma craft my wrista and see if i get a myth dagger inv ault

[blazing pumice]

i mean

your chances of getting a dagger in vault are pretty rare

if you are only doing m+

there's like 4-5 daggers out of a pool of 100 loot pieces

[green timber]

Any advice for weapon enchants between depths and radiance if you do both m+ and raid? I was thinking one of each and see a lot of combos

[strange cargo]

i got myth vault for the first two bosses

just coping

[royal iron]

!talents

Do we play master assassin for m+ now always

[drowsy hatch]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[robust jasper]

I noticed a split between people dropping double vanish and 1 point in subt for lethality

Kind of a preference thing? Does the longer subterfuge do much for assa?

[drowsy hatch]

both talents are just kinda poopy

subterfuge is great but wat is 1-2 extra vanishes a dungeon

lethality is whatever since the bugfix

[robust jasper]

Yeah I figured the crit damage bonus applies to kingsbane since it's a generator technically so that's useful for prio damage

[drowsy hatch]

lethality was more impactful when kb double dipped

now that it doesnt the effect is really limp

dont even take it in st

[mossy sundial]

Anyone know how much energy we get per bleed tick?

[stable oxide]

For assassination aoe, during your indiscriminate carnage, do you want to spread rupture and garrote untill all your targets have both debuffs or do you want to change to caustic splatter at some point?

[drowsy hatch]

Rupture you max out at 5

Garrote you can use it til everything has it

once those are done go to spatter

[stable oxide]

Thanks

[drowsy hatch]

max rupture at 5 cause you mostly just care about scent of blood stacks and regen

imp gar is gud though

[lavish geyser]

@spice spire I ran one again, and I did better overall, but still it feels like everything just insta dies before I get to start spamming envenoms

[amber brook]

Unspoken

[final star]

https://tenor.com/view/catlamp-catdetti-funny-cat-cat-with-lamp-cat-lick-gif-20031670

[spice spire]

Kinda the nature of rat keys

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-shaking-head-fisheye-lens-gif-25374523

[raven dew]

why is the ring enchant for crit recommended over the ring enchant for mastery? i thought mastery was the best stat after agi

[coral ibex]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[stable oxide]

If you only have 1 shiv, why do you only want to use it at the last 8 seconds of kingsbane?

[final star]

to buff the part that does more damage

rather than the part that does less

[stable oxide]

ah

thanks

[balmy condor]

My gfs mom did this to a bird one time cause she didn’t realize the bird was under the heat lamp

Bro got cooked

[vale shore]

we actually going for the double vanish in M+ now?

[balmy condor]

You can

Could also just play 2 subt

Or 1 subt

Or no subt

Or forced induction

[coral ibex]

ok relax

[balmy condor]

Or hell, even cold blood is fine tbh

[drowsy hatch]

Or just don't take talents at all fuck it

Who needs them

[vale shore]

well I play cold Blood already with Fatebound

[coral ibex]

fatebound gaming

[balmy condor]

YOLO queen the world is your oyster

[drowsy hatch]

Just roll a new rogue and dont pick a spec

[balmy condor]

Or be one of those classic Andy’s that has a rogue for each spec

“I got skardyns finally, but it’s on my outlaw rogue”

And you gotta double take

[spice spire]

Okay @balmy condor I feel attacked dude

[balmy condor]

Cause wtf is bro talking about

[drowsy hatch]

Vomited in my mouth a little there

[spice spire]

I definitely have a sub rogue

(She’s 60 I haven’t played her since shadowlands)

[vale shore]

I have two assassin rogues because I leveled one up in Mists of Pandaria timerunning

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah I'm a sub too

Oh rogue?

[spice spire]

Dog

Are you well

[spice spire]

Why though

[drowsy hatch]

im illin

[vale shore]

I wanted to get the cool transmogs and mounts

[spice spire]

That’s fair dog

I wasn’t there I didn’t experience it

[vale shore]

I have 4 different flying disks now

[spice spire]

Hot

[vale shore]

also I wanted to experience leveling my rogue again

[spice spire]

Why tho

[lavish geyser]

yeah ig so. tbh, not that fun when you +++ 9s. packs just get insta deleted

[spice spire]

Rogue leveling is among the worst

[spice spire]

Uh yeah

[vale shore]

yeah I learned that, again

[spice spire]

I did 1.2 in a Dawnbreaker

Because we triple chested a rat

[lavish geyser]

had the same problem with havoc DH, I couldnt get my burstwindow off before everything was dead

[lavish geyser]

dude that was a dawnbreaker I showed you

XD

[spice spire]

And I got turbo fucked on second add

[static glacier]

bleed build and pray xd

[vale shore]

just throw sudden demise bleeds on everything and top meters on rat keys

[spice spire]

I triple chested a stupid 9 nw earlier with 1.44 because I got sent down twice on final boss

Should have cloaked

Pissed

[lavish geyser]

I dont know if its important but tank insta pulled 3rd boss so I couldnt get my improved garrote n such

[spice spire]

Eh

[lavish geyser]

only twice?

[drowsy hatch]

wouldnt have changed much

[lavish geyser]

dude I live down there

[spice spire]

3 times total

[lavish geyser]

rookie numbers

[amber brook]

You can cloak that?

[spice spire]

I was 2/3 big choice for the boss

[lavish geyser]

XD

[spice spire]

Vanish

Not cloak

Mb

[static glacier]

rogue overall in keys makes me have impostor syndrome bc my alt does more boss dam :l

[vale shore]

I want them to add in new voice lines for that one "I have had enough of .. vanish uh.... you, then?"

[spice spire]

But you can vanish it

Same mo

And I’m ass at my alt

[zinc vortex]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[static glacier]

im decent at sv and it's pretty geared too

[spice spire]

Oh

It’s comparable to my rogue

But I’m on lower keys so like whatever

[static glacier]

overall rogue is still winning but on bosses I do like 1.1-1.3 on hunter, rogue is like 1-1.1

with like 2 less ilvls

[spice surge]

Swap to sub and do asbolute banging boss dps

[static glacier]

We're actually some aoe pad spec

[spice spire]

Right

[static glacier]

honestly still yet to run a sub key since the rework

in .5

[spice surge]

Doing about the same overalls as assa

[spice spire]

[static glacier]

trick or ds

[spice surge]

Theres only one tree

And its trickster

DS does no damage and feels awful to play

[static glacier]

time to go research if trickster gameplay has changed since losing dust

[spice spire]

I hardly know her!

[gleaming cedar]

Hey on MYthic brood are you guys switching to prio cleave off spiders

Or just sending boss and letting blender boys do more work?

[nova cargo]

it depends of ur group

spiders need to be down asap

if u play double war/dk, u should not need

if not, recommended

[heavy night]

guys, is the tea autoproc new? is there a way to disable it? it feels annoying having to play around it

[slate crown]

It's a lot more straightforward now, imo, at least I think the current version is a lot easier to onboard

definitely recommend

[normal mist]

nop

you cant deactivate it

And yes it is new

[heavy night]

hmm i feel there should be a choice node disabling it

but its blozzord

[gleaming cedar]

yep we are 2 ret, DK, 2 Warr

makes sense

im like 2nd boss dmg one of the last of adds tho but it hasnt been a prob yet I think

[nova cargo]

we killed the boss with 3 tanks/4 heals. Played BM full mono on boss in order to kill it

our rogue played full mono also

or almost, depending of phases

[static glacier]

the extra symbols charges seem like they've managed to take us back to being able to actually pool cds

god I hate naked symbols

[slate crown]

Sectec is your anchor now

Well I guess flag is your major anchor

sectec is your minor anchor

and yes, you are now able to pool cds for sure

[static glacier]

might be a wierd take but I kinda miss sl sub

[rich elbow]

Can anyone give me some tips on what crafted piece i should make next?
I only have 1 crafted which is weapon.. and in turn only 1 embellishment.
Do i make ring to get free upgrades on both?
https://raider.io/characters/us/barthilas/Hiddencost

TY in advance

[normal mist]

If you're looking for embelishment crafts

[dusty crescent]

@spice spire you ever figure it out?

[normal mist]

either weapon (ascension) + either bracers/boots or belt (writhing)

or wrists + belt/boots with dawn

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[rich elbow]

Leaning towards dagger but i have a crafted main hand with ascension. (from memory i cant have 2 x ascension right?)
So in that case.. probs wrists...

[normal mist]

then you need writhing banding

to double your dagger's power

[dusty crescent]

if i'm double dawnthread can i just straight up craft 2 daggers?

[normal mist]

offhand craft is kinda of a waste

[dusty crescent]

icic

just mainthen ok

[rich elbow]

So wrists w/ writhing banding embellishment?
Sorry been playing for like 2 weeks

[glass raptor]

So do I :))

[spice spire]

I forgor ngl

This is why I thread things usually

[normal mist]

yes

[timber meadow]

so were prob one of like 5 guilds in the world who are 5/8 wiht a ky'veza kill for reasons lol but anyway, there's no point to take ct on brood yeah? like we just go normal ma st with caustic?

[coral ibex]

CT cranks on mythic ovinax

[timber meadow]

yeah but like is it just overkill for prog?

[coral ibex]

explain that

killing the adds faster and generating more singular focus damage onto the boss makes prog faster

[timber meadow]

aight ya ig its not really a st check anymore either

like i know when world first was happening rogues were just st, not even caustic

[coral ibex]

this is what im running in prog

[timber meadow]

but with all the nerfs it made it worth for us to go tempest?

yeah ig ill see what our dmg looks like, we have some solid blenders so may not be worth

[slate crown]

World first guilds cleared with way less gear than is present in the raid now

So now the raid probably has enough ST to take the boss down and so the ST burden is less now

(And yeah the nerfs)

[spice surge]

Well Ct is good for boss damage

[timber meadow]

i mean its fine

i lose like 8% st

[hot ingot]

Yo, is there somewhere I can read into builds a bit more? The Wowhead guide just lists one that is "BiS" but I see people in here talking about other builds that are good/better

[spice surge]

No

[timber meadow]

how many relevant targets am i comparing against

well just dropping ma is the big loss

[spice surge]

CT on does more boss dps than envenom

Per cast

If you have adds up

[timber meadow]

yeah but you have to take ct

the other option is just not take it

obv if you ahve it

pressing it is good

ma is signifiicantly stronger than ct on st

[spice surge]

On ST yes, but for boss damage i dont think so

[timber meadow]

oh that may be fair ya

cant really sim prio dmg

[hot ingot]

Is this the go to build? And is there a way to take Iron wire?

[timber meadow]

you can drop sanguine blades i think that's most common

also dropping sbp is prob an option worth considering

[dreamy dune]

could someone give me a working macro for mouse over shadowstep and then kick. i can't seem to get one to work

[timber meadow]

hmm the per cast argument i think is a lil odd comparing a dot to our primary spender cause you have to do something with that energy.. but yes ct is extremely efficient dmg

[elfin garden]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[timber meadow]

but no your right, i see what you're saying

[drifting cloud]

its good but does slightly depend on your setup, but if youre just starting prog youre prob not running 2tank,3heals, and like a combo of fury and frost

[timber meadow]

well were just starting prog cuase we killed ky'vesa first

which is odd

[drifting cloud]

wait what

[timber meadow]

LOL

bro idk

dont ask questions

[drifting cloud]

alt gearing dk tanks?

[timber meadow]

honestly, I really really wish that was the reason

[drifting cloud]

should be an easy boss for you then

[honest pelican]

hey guys haven't played my rogue in a week or so, did we switch off lethality/supercharger to soothing/subter/vanish?

saw it was a new build just checking

[drowsy hatch]

for m+ yes

[timber meadow]

yeah just need to get people to the right places and should fall over is kinda my internal thinking

[honest pelican]

yep sorry forgot to say m+

[somber hill]

wait we taking double vanish now?

[coral ibex]

you can if you want

many m+ builds are already taking 2/2 subterfuge

so its only a 1 point swap

vs like 4 points prior to the subterfuge change

[nova aspen]

anyone know any tricks to get rid of input lag on myth broodtwister

its driving me nuts

[upper oak]

is there a haste value we should be aiming for. i find myself low on energy a lot

for m+

[balmy condor]

No

And haste won’t fix that

[upper oak]

guess ill have to practice and get a better feel for it

maybe more pooling i guess

[shy roost]

Could I see someone’s talent build for m+? I’m also running double vanish

[upper oak]

i just run the wowhead one

[valid pulsar]

when youre stealthed and you hit garrote and rupture in a pack i notice it is applied to multiple enemies, is that random or does it apply to a set amount each time?

[coral ibex]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[valid pulsar]

great ty!

[spice surge]

Indiscrimate Carnage, its a talent in the bottom right

[valid pulsar]

tysm

i tried looking before i asked but couldnt find it i appreciate it lots ty

[shy roost]

Opinion on cheat death or elusiveness for >+10 keys

[honest pelican]

that new 2 charge vanish build is hot

feels nice

[west crown]

Always elusiveness in keys

[spice surge]

Dont think you should play elusiveness unless you 10000% know you need it not to die

[west crown]

Or take cheat death and get killed on the second water bolt because your group doesn’t kick

[spice surge]

Dawn and siege sure, but stuff like arakara theres no reason to

[balmy condor]

So elusiveness is like iron wire

[west crown]

Am I misremembering or don’t those mobs dash to you at the end of ara? Haven’t done a super high key on that so I don’t know if it would kill

[coral ibex]

they snapshot your position and then dash, you can just move

[spice surge]

Main thing is that feint works on most things this season

Last boss siege and the dot in dawnbreaker being prime examples of it not working

[west crown]

I’m pretty sure I’ve feinted last boss siege

And got the dr

[spice surge]

The dot is not mitigated by regular feint

[west crown]

Oh oh yeah

[spice surge]

Whereas the second boss arakara dot is considered aoe

So feint works

[somber hill]

What is the ideal talent to drop for iron wire? MA? SB?

[eager root]

I have been running sims for trinkets and Imperfect Ascendancy Serum is simming really high.
My 619 Imperfect Ascendancy Serum sims higher than my 623 Ara-Kara Sacbrood
My only issue is that I hate the 1.5 secs it takes to use Serum is really annoying. Anyone else seeing Serum sim as one of the if not the best trinket(of similar Ilvl)? Anyone use it over other trinkets?

[sullen steppe]

Do we need 2 shiv macros, one without tea? E.g. in m+ spec is it worth shivving in ST outside of CDs if you'll have it back up for cds

[torpid schooner]

Is twist the knife worth running in M+

Also are people running Subterfuge in M+

[balmy condor]

it's one of the optiosn

[balmy condor]

yes most are

[balmy condor]

no

[balmy condor]

well those aren't really comparable

[torpid schooner]

I see some people getting rid of sudden demise for TTK

[balmy condor]

sacbrood is a passive

serum is an on-use

they don't fill the same slot

[balmy condor]

yeah either that or dropping bone spike

[torpid schooner]

Huh so does this look right

[balmy condor]

that is one of the builds yes

[somber hill]

What talent would be the best to drop to get iron wire in this situation:

[balmy condor]

that's fine

[balmy condor]

sanguine, twist the knife, or bone spike

[torpid schooner]

What is one of the others

[somber hill]

ty

[balmy condor]

there's like fucking 40 man idk

[torpid schooner]

LOL well shit

Any idea whats simming the highest

[fringe perch]

you're never gonna do sim dps play what you enjoy

[spice surge]

Theyre all really close and depends on exactly what gear youre wearing

[visual vault]

i have the same build but i drop MA for wire if needed because i hate playing around it in m+

[spice surge]

Thats why theres so many

Because most of the talents give pretty much the same damage

[balmy condor]

play any of these

legit pick one at random

doesn't fucking matter

[fringe perch]

but if you don't pick the right one I'll report you

[visual vault]

you guys ever encounter this dawnbreaker bug where it throws you out of the instance after releasing?

[next dust]

I love the one where last boss presses vanish without cd

[visual vault]

kek i was thrown out of the instance but i was still getting the affix it was wack

[eager root]

Good point, ok it sims just below Skardyn's Grace of the same Ilvl and way above Sikran's Endless Aresnal of higher ilvl.
I guess the trinket tiers just threw me off and I hate being frozen for the 1.5 secs. Thanks

[spice surge]

"Just" get a skardyn instead

[balmy condor]

yeah so as a burst class, you will generally always want to have 1 slot for your on-use burst. That's your transmitter/skardyns/serum

and slot 2 is a passive or a strong on-use damage that doesn't interfere with your cooldowns

so like mandate

spyglass, sikrans

sacbrood

etc

[crude wraith]

Can someone explain to me like I'm a mage main how supercharger works. It's the kyrian affect but on a single CP right?

[fringe perch]

press it, next finisher do big dam

+2 cp to whatever it consumes

[spice surge]

Its nothing like the kyrian ability

[crude wraith]

Gotcha.

[spice surge]

Which is why its odd that theyre using the same indicators, but it is what it is

[crude wraith]

That's what confused me ig.

And thought I bricked my WA for it because it was always the first CP lmfao

[elfin chasm]

whispyr could you please share your plater profile and weakaura

[balmy condor]

yeah the indicator is just how many finishers you have left

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[amber brook]

the fact that whisp took a ss of the different talents

he is not recovering soon

[balmy condor]

I was gonna keep going but discord only lets me do 10 images at a time and I got lazy

[amber brook]

discord keeping you safe

[thorn thorn]

Making good use of that Recovered Mental

[arctic tusk]

why are the sims telling me to use skardyns and transmitter

[balmy condor]

cause you have fuck all as an alternative

and I took time out of my life that I will never get back

to optimize skardyns/transmitter

specifically in the situation that it might be useful to some poor son of a bitch

so

you're the poor son of a bitch

sorry

[slate crown]

can you imagine being the poor son of a bitch?

[amber brook]

how cool is the toy from transmitter

[balmy condor]

I haven't actually heard of anyone getting it

[vale shore]

At the end of the month, we will all get another crack at getting the Wrathstone from Timewalking Ulduar!

[spice surge]

Hi its me

I have it

[keen spruce]

just get a crystal and be happy

or a spyglass or something

reject raid play mini game

[amber brook]

Do you have a ss of the toy

[keen spruce]

number g o up

io gud

[amber brook]

would love to see it

[spice surge]

On phone, but it makes you into an etheral, pretty similar to kyveza

[amber brook]

Sounds cool af already

[spice surge]

Here is one from wowhead

[civic knot]

for kyveza do you guys use cos for dash or save for intermission?

[spice surge]

If your group is struggling with healing the queensbane debuffs cloak dashes
If your group is struggling during the last part of intermission use it there and stand completely still so its easier for the rest of the team

[limber coral]

Caustic is bad on rash right?

why are logs showin people use caustic

[balmy condor]

cause big add damage

[coral ibex]

its good if your guild drops adds correctly

useless otherwise

[mellow sun]

useful if youre whispyr with a 100 parse 😉

[balmy condor]

forever immortalized cause they did a new partition

scammed

[coral ibex]

catered strat

[balmy condor]

me paypal'ing WCL to make a new partition

yo I got a 100 LOCK IT DOWN LOCK IT LOCK IT

QUICK

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/bogdanov-bogdanof-bitcoin-on-the-phone-gif-12411899

LOCK EET

[spice surge]

GDKP raid where the highest bidder gets to padd on the adds and the others go full ST

[limber coral]

So like where do the adds need to drop or be placed for cautic like right under him

[balmy condor]

right in the taint

[coral ibex]

adds need to be placed up her ass

literally on the ledge

[wispy epoch]

where else would people put them...

[balmy condor]

some guilds go right and place adds left

[spice surge]

Or like, in the middle

[balmy condor]

yah

[mellow sun]

we put em to the right

[balmy condor]

like webs right, adds left

something like that

[potent magnet]

Was wondering if anyone could provide feedback on my performance in this +10 SoB. Trying to get better and feel like I'm vastly underperforming for my ilvl

I'm using the wowhead hybrid build for M+

[native heron]

what toy is that?

[zenith tree]

Guys I got ER back

[spark hornet]

are we using the build shiv showed in his newest video for mplus?

the sub one

[balmy condor]

depends what build that is

[soft surge]

@balmy condor does your recolor for debufffs mod work on other profiles

getting this error when i tried to put it on jundies https://i.imgur.com/ZZZrEym.png

[balmy condor]

it should as long as it has a higher prio

[spark hornet]

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMzMzMMmhZAAAAAAYWglZAAAAAAottZmhHYmxYmZWmlxMjBzYmZmxMbWGzAsYWGYALglhZADLA

[soft surge]

it does work but just getting the error

[balmy condor]

hm

[soft surge]

might be clashing with another recolor mod ill check

[balmy condor]

dogs really gonna make me import this

[spark hornet]

is there a better way

[balmy condor]

woah what

[coral ibex]

i've imported the recolor mod to other profiles

[spark hornet]

sorry i dont mean to be rude.

[zenith tree]

a screenshot

[balmy condor]

this is a raid build

[spark hornet]

may i take your mplus build ❤️

[balmy condor]

like this is just

did you link the right build

[spark hornet]

oh lol no

[balmy condor]

okay

was about to say it's like some weird half and half raid build

[spark hornet]

CMQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeMzMzMzwMAAAAAAAzyMmtZAAAAAAotlZmhHYmBzMzysNmZwMzMzgxMbWGzAsZWGYALBLDTghFA

[balmy condor]

sure yeah

[cerulean walrus]

Still using Ethereal Cloak in the current week

[balmy condor]

this looks normal

it's one of the builds

[cerulean walrus]

Homeboy doesn’t know Flensing is gone

[balmy condor]

ethereal cloak is fine

some people prefer it

[spark hornet]

what do you use? and what about dropping ma for IW

[soft surge]

ok no more errors now i adjusted its prio

[balmy condor]

I mean I write the wowhead guide, you can grab the build from there :P

[spark hornet]

oh damn

[balmy condor]

if you're gonna drop anything for iron wire, it would be either sanguine or twist the knife

[spark hornet]

im talking to a famous person

[balmy condor]

MA is strong

you wouldn't be dropping that

you could also drop bone spike

that's generally okay

[spark hornet]

ok ty ty ty!

[balmy condor]

so you could do like this

that's okay

[cerulean walrus]

Nah Whispyr is only famous for the way he cooks his chicken nuggets

[soft surge]

interdasting build

[balmy condor]

there's like 75 fucking permutations

the most jebait thing anyone could ever say is "THIS IS THE ONE BUILD"

[cerulean walrus]

Bro is not a fan of the bonerspike

Shame, really

[balmy condor]

I am

[soft surge]

you dont drop sudden demise for ironwire ever?

SD is a perma staple?

[balmy condor]

well generally this is the basis

right

[soft surge]

all these buiolds confuse

[balmy condor]

like this is your template

and then you can do a billion things to this

[wooden pebble]

!macro

[soft surge]

interdasting

[balmy condor]

some people drop iron wire for sanguine

[cerulean walrus]

Tweak it to how you like

[balmy condor]

some people drop sudden demise for twist the knife

[wooden pebble]

Is there a pinned list of useful macros somewhere?

[spark hornet]

yeah i just returned from like bfaish and trying to get up to speed. and get better.

[balmy condor]

some people drop bone spike for twist the knife, then drop doomblade for sanguine

some strange weird ass people drop sudden demise for dashing scoundrel

which is insanity

but ya know

whatever you wanna do

that's probably fine

then you got the same deal over on the class tree

I suggest without a trace generally

but you can move that point into lethality

you can move that, and 1 subterfuge into 2/2 lethality

hell, you can drop that whole column and move it into supercharger/forced induction

you can move it all into cold blood

those are fine

[soft surge]

i need to know what situation all these combinations are best for

like each dungeon

[balmy condor]

pfffffffffff

yeah good fucking luck with that

[spark hornet]

im a dmg slut. i want to pump. lol

[soft surge]

is twist the knife a st centric talent

[balmy condor]

kinda yeah

realisitically, I just gave you 24-30 permutations to run

like any of the things I mentioned, in any combination

are fine

[spark hornet]

yeah im at the dummys now

[soft surge]

you did im glad i saw it

[balmy condor]

and will do basically identical damage

[spark hornet]

ty

[balmy condor]

the only difference between all of this is like

[soft surge]

but now i just need the talent builds loaded in

[balmy condor]

cope

[soft surge]

look at all this shit https://i.imgur.com/AOoEmey.png

[amber brook]

jfvc

[balmy condor]

like streamers be dropping iron wire and taking a buff huff this is the best cause more damage and I need the damage

or they drop sudden demise for ttk or whatever and THIS IS THE CHANGE THAT WILL MAKE ME DO SINGLE TARGET DAMAGE

SURELY

[soft surge]

ironwire is so op for the team

[balmy condor]

and it's like

maybe 1.5% tops

like okay big fucking whoop my guy now you're doing 1.02mil instead of 1.0 mil on a boss

and instead of doing 4 mil on a pack you did 3.98 mil

incredible change

but people will just feel better with X or Y and changing things is like a mental thing

placebo is a powerful drug

[crude wraith]

Get more variance from built in game mechanics than most talent swaps

[balmy condor]

more variance than basically ANY talent swap

[soft surge]

yea i feel no diff with any talent changes except double vanish

[balmy condor]

every ability you hit has a 5% variance built in

like straight up

without any crit or proc or anything

you press envenom, there's a 5% spread

[soft surge]

doing 13 mists rn what build do i go

[balmy condor]

I think mists is where people tend to drop iron wire

[exotic pulsar]

more dam drop iron wire

[balmy condor]

try something with that idk

fuck it yolo

[spark hornet]

well that makes me feel alot more happy trying new stuff so thank you for the info and pep talk!

[soft surge]

https://i.imgur.com/WT3CrNL.jpeg

[exotic pulsar]

i still wouldn't

[balmy condor]

you want some insane shit?

[soft surge]

sangine or ttk?

[balmy condor]

I can give you some insane shit

[bitter solar]

[exotic pulsar]

make the most cursed build possible

[spark hornet]

i love iron wire

[ebon tundra]

I been lurking but I am here for some insanity

[spark hornet]

its amazing

[exotic pulsar]

if you aren't in some kind of static M+ team and you dont run iron wire you are a troll imo

[soft surge]

even in mists?

[exotic pulsar]

there are casters in mists

and they still do less dam

like even if they dont cast 15% less dam helps

[soft surge]

ffs

[balmy condor]

play this

I dare you

[soft surge]

st build 😮

[balmy condor]

press shiv after CT

[exotic pulsar]

you doing 100k more dps is not going to time your pug keys but a cast not going off might save a wipe

[balmy condor]

in aoe

desync it from kingsbane

you think I'm joking

I mean okay maybe the forced induction over tea is crazy

thats pretty insane

maybe dont do that

but like the spec tree

totally fine

[exotic pulsar]

im doing it

im going ot tell my guild the sin rogue guide writer told me to

[balmy condor]

for reference, you do this on ovi'nax

you might see the similarities

[exotic pulsar]

do you desync shiv after ct during worm? surely not

[balmy condor]

and TECHNICALLY according to sims you're allowed to desync shiv from kingsbane in this situation where you have CT and arterial precision and you're in aoe

so like

during ovi'nax

[exotic pulsar]

thats got to be like an aoe pad thing in keys right

[balmy condor]

I desync, yes

but like the only real change you need to do to make the ovi'nax build an m+ build right

is find a way to get iron wire, carnage, and shrouded

dashing/bonespike/doomblade

ggwp

[exotic pulsar]

thats crazy especially when my adds are dying in like 5 seconds except for big spiders

[balmy condor]

lil swippy swap

and it's totally fine

[balmy condor]

well that's why I desync

I desync specifically for spider damage

[exotic pulsar]

oh I was boss damage cuck

i guess it got me PI

[balmy condor]

I am also boss damage cuck

[exotic pulsar]

I multidoted them and stuff just for the funnel but saved shivs for kb

[balmy condor]

this is triple spiders

that's one shiv cast btw

like that's a nearly 2 mil shiv

[static glacier]

ngl i think the value of the shiv global is highly variable on ovinax

[balmy condor]

and it's increasing bleed damage

and it's increasing caustic damage

and it's increasing poison bomb damage

I'm second on that spider set

in terms of spider damage

[static glacier]

since if it goes on lil shitters and they insta die it feels quite bad comparred to sending an env or fok which would do more overall, but on spiders / worms it's extremely good

[balmy condor]

and I'm not dotting them, I'm not focusing them or doing anything

I legit just hit shiv and keep hitting boss

[exotic pulsar]

are you sending both shivs or just 1 on spiders and saving 1 for kb

[balmy condor]

usually saving 1

[exotic pulsar]

that makes sense, first half of ramp is meh anyways

we wont be back to worm for awhile, we just a 2 day weekend boomer guild after we kileld him we just recleared and went princess

ill try to remember this to pad a bit

[balmy condor]

also just mentally

you feel like a genius

desyncing shiv for arterial is like going on a semester abroad and then speaking french with everyone when you come home cause you're a pretentious prick now

[limber coral]

Whats a general mark for improvement or I am doing something right with envenom uptime, currently average 60-70% uptime this decent?

[balmy condor]

60-70% in single target?

[limber coral]

yes

[exotic pulsar]

do you have ttk?

[balmy condor]

that seems yikes

[limber coral]

these are also wipes

[limber coral]

ttk?

[spark hornet]

time to kill

[balmy condor]

what

[limber coral]

oh twist the knife yes

[balmy condor]

no

[limber coral]

I do

[exotic pulsar]

twist the knife

[balmy condor]

yeah with twist the knife

if you're under 98%